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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode to I just love this conversation with

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Speaker 1: Casey Bethard, written so many songs, has such a positive message,

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Speaker 1: has such an interesting life, and you'll hear a couple

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Speaker 1: of parts of this. You know, I'm such a sports nut.

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Speaker 1: His dad was a GM for multiple NFL teams, Casey

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Speaker 1: Bethard um and so we talked about that early because

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Speaker 1: I was just so curious about it. But we moved

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Speaker 1: that to the very very end. So if you're not

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Speaker 1: a sports person, you don't how to listen to it.

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Speaker 1: But if you are, it's pretty cool conversation. But you know,

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Speaker 1: he wrote twelve of twenty four songs on the new

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Speaker 1: Eric Church triple album Trilogy, but he just had He

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Speaker 1: wrote don't Blink, he wrote just and I just love

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Speaker 1: the guy. I've been a big fan, so I was

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Speaker 1: pretty pompy came in. So I hope you guys hang

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Speaker 1: out and listen to that. What I'm gonna do now

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Speaker 1: is run through the five releases this week. I think

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Speaker 1: out a new song called Shy Away. The Fastest Sealing

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Speaker 1: had number four. Taylor released Fearless. Taylor's version twenty six songs,

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Speaker 1: including six never before released songs from the vault. Here's

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Speaker 1: a clip of a new song called Mr. Perfectly Fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah, Do you know who that's about, right, Joe Jonas,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I saw that. Yeah, it's from the vault.

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Speaker 1: I even saw his wife, Sophie Turners like. I can't

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Speaker 1: say it's not a good song. It's a good song

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Speaker 1: from Back in the Day. To number three, Luke Brian

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Speaker 1: released the deluxe version of his album Born Here, Live Here,

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Speaker 1: and Die Here. There are six new songs on it.

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Speaker 1: Here's his new song called Waves, Jeep Coming and He's

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Speaker 1: keep coming in. At number two, Walker Hayes has a

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Speaker 1: new song out and I love Walker Hayese. It's called

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Speaker 1: make You Cry Hello And at number one, this is

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite songs in a long time. Jamison

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Speaker 1: Rogers has a new song called Good Dogs, Good Trucks

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Speaker 1: and Runs Forever. If you keep bulling the man, you

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Speaker 1: treat them, run good, hold year together. She'll stick with

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Speaker 1: you for the rest of your good buddies. Low's come Running,

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Speaker 1: got you back, Old matter one, Good Dogs Don't Little.

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Speaker 1: I just love that guy, love that song so pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Those are your new releases. We'll get to Casey Bethard

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Speaker 1: coming up all right in here with Casey Bethard. It's

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Speaker 1: the first time that we've met in person. Listen, I

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Speaker 1: know who you are. I'm a fan of your work

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Speaker 1: and I think I've even seen you out at a

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Speaker 1: couple of things. But you're one of these guys who's

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Speaker 1: legendary because you when you moved down nineties. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that for me, like that's the generation I looked to

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Speaker 1: and go, Man, that's when music was awesome. And when

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Speaker 1: you see you, I'm like, I want to go bother him.

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Speaker 1: But but well I got I got to know Tucker

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Speaker 1: a bit and love Tucker, and so then I want

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Speaker 1: Then I saw you had written a bunch of the

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Speaker 1: songs on the Church record that's coming out, and Mike

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Speaker 1: was like, well what about now? Now would be a

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Speaker 1: good time. I said, yeah, Now, I feel like we

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Speaker 1: that's awesome. So I appreciate, appreciate you. Coming about where

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Speaker 1: do we start? First of all, just about you in general,

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Speaker 1: because I do want to get to the church stuff,

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Speaker 1: But then I really want to get to your body

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Speaker 1: of work. Um, because it is so robustly not just

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Speaker 1: have to know that. That's that's a gigantic honor to

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Speaker 1: to know that, to hear you say that that, that's

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Speaker 1: a That's what I think any songwriter wants to hear,

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Speaker 1: you know, for example, find out who your friends are. Like,

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Speaker 1: that's a song to me that reminds me of growing up.

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Speaker 1: Like I know where I was at the exact part

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Speaker 1: of the time when this, when this Tracy Lawrence song

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Speaker 1: is a big part of my life. That's what excites

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Speaker 1: me about having you here. Yeah, I feel old, but

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Speaker 1: but but appreciated, right, Like I'm forty one now and

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Speaker 1: like I'm trying to balance older with appreciated. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it was just more free

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Speaker 1: that that didn't hurt at all. They're crazy thinking about

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Speaker 1: that is me growing up in Arkansas. Tracy Lawrences from Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: So anybody that comes where you come from a bigger

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Speaker 1: massive anyway. But that was his first number in eleven years.

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Speaker 1: It was crazy, like most people had written Tracy Lawrence

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Speaker 1: But that song, yeah, reminded people of how great he

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Speaker 1: the bottom of the mountain that was closed during the offseason.

425
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the shining and um so in

426
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: the clubhouse where the studio was in the kitchen and

427
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 1: he cooked I mean breakfast, lunch, and dinner from I mean,

428
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: it was just ridiculous, ridiculous and it was all organic fresh,

429
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, everything was It was just it was the

430
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: best of the best. I've never been to a restaurant

431
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: that tasted like that. That's always what I think about

432
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 1: when people hold themselves up for any sort of writing situation.

433
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, what's food? Yeah, Like, I know you're

434
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: gonna write good songs. I know you're gonna record, but

435
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: like what are you eating? Like how good are they treating?

436
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: That's really cool though, that all that was there. Have

437
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: you ever had to cancel a right and then you

438
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: found out afterwards that during that right they wrote the

439
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,719
Speaker 1: best like massive song or later on when it goes

440
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: to number one. You're like with Jimmy and Bill that

441
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: day when I didn't go in. Yeah, you think about that.

442
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: I think about that all the time whenever I have

443
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: to cancel something. Uh, And then I'll ask, and what

444
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: did you all do? You put in a notebook? What

445
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: did you all do that day? And I and I've

446
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: I can't right, off hand and think of something that

447
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: happened that I that I should have been. I was

448
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: supposed to be in there, but I can I was,

449
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: I've been in rooms that titles have been you know,

450
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: pitched to me that I've I'm all over and passed on.

451
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: That turned into the number one songs because they wrote

452
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: him with somebody else, and I was like, wow, what

453
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: about the opposite? Where has someone ever canceled on your

454
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: right and then you and you know, somebody else ended

455
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: up writing something and you're like, dang, if you just

456
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: come to the right. Yeah, you know we wrote don't blink? Yeah, yeah,

457
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: no kid, Um, it's good that nothing comes to mind.

458
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: That means nobody really good. Yeah, nobod's living a life

459
00:25:55,280 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: of regret here the I mean, yeah, see people nowadays.

460
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: Back then, a lot of the lot of the songs

461
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: that we wrote were without not a lot of them

462
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: were with with artists in the room. So it was

463
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: easy to cancel, you know, but if there was somebody

464
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: gonna be there, a lot of people won't cancel. Nowadays,

465
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, you just if there's gonna be a an

466
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: artist there, they're gonna not cancel. But I mean it's like,

467
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with Casey and Ed Hill today that

468
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss, you know, you know, so they'll bail

469
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: and I'm going to the beach and you're like yeah, right,

470
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: and then you is sit around and your talk. Oh

471
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: I've got one and I probably shouldn't shouldn't you say?

472
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: That's oh my god, this is this just this hit

473
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: me and I hope because I said, and so one

474
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: of my best, my favorite co writers and and he's

475
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: come up on the last couple Eric Records is Monty

476
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: chris Well too, and he's is a great friend of

477
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: mine and we've had a relationship for a long time

478
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: and we had a standing. We had a standing every

479
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: other week or maybe once a week, right I had

480
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: I was riding with Ed Hill and he had his

481
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: wife has a little house in Franklin. It's a venue

482
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: house that they do whatever and they rented out or

483
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: they let people use it. But we'd use the front

484
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: porch in the spring and get there every Tuesday and

485
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: hang out and talk and see whatever came to mind.

486
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: If nothing less, if nothing else, we'd just walk in

487
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: the spring around Franklin and end up at Puckets and

488
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: eat and that's how every Tuesday or Thursday was whatever

489
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: it was. And sometimes we did invite somebody that was

490
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: just a great writer come hang with us and we

491
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: were out there. Maybe it might have been a consecutive

492
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: week of having Monty out there and we were and

493
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: we were out there and uh, and I don't know

494
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,239
Speaker 1: where you know, Ed, it is just a you know,

495
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: he's a Hall of Fame writer and just a he's

496
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: just a great writer and a great guy and a

497
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: great friend. But sometimes he gets, you know, like we

498
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: all do, we get a little jaded, um man, I

499
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: don't know whatever. That We were on the front porch

500
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: out there and Money opened up his laptop and he's like, man,

501
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: I think I got I got an idea I want

502
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: to write. I think I'm not I think that the

503
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: concept is this like she loves me like Jesus does

504
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: and I and then lightning bulb, I mean the light

505
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: bulb went off in my head and I was like wow.

506
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: And he goes, you know, and like I'm along Gone

507
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: Wayland song on vinyl and the back. Before you can

508
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: get that line out, Ed got up out of his

509
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: chair and he opened the screen door to go back,

510
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, man, he can't say, Jesus, they're

511
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: not gonna blame it. And they got quieter and quietly

512
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: they have and he drifted off down the hall of

513
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: the kitchen and go and that just well, Monty will

514
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: write that. And he's like, Okay, I go, let's write

515
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: something else today for it. But we'll write that another day.

516
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: And that that's my favorite church song. Change man, that

517
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: is my she she loves me Jesus, that's my favorite

518
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: Eric church song. Yeah, that yet she uh. And that

519
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: was the first thing. That never intended to pitch that

520
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: to Eric because he didn't cut outside songs with us,

521
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: the first one he ever did. Yeah, what why did

522
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: he tell you that he cut that song? Because I'm

523
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: to him it was like, I don't cut songs that

524
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: I don't write. Yeah, yeah, they have to fit, they

525
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: have to be or they have to I mean, I'll

526
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: just say at the point, at to that point, he

527
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: had not. I think I think Catherine heard it, and

528
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: that was you know, she she uh pulls a lot

529
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: more way, can you think in that house? And so

530
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: I think she was like, you can say this, this

531
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: is tough enough to say. You can say, yeah, I'll

532
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: cut that, Okay, it's just a great song, just a

533
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: great song. You have seven number ones? Is that right?

534
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: Do you have seven? Something like something like that Don't

535
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 1: Blink Kenny Chesney. And when I talk about you know,

536
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: meaningful songs like do you know how many people hear

537
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: this song and they get to relive their lives because

538
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: of three and a half minutes? That's that. That one's

539
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: that's one of the ones. I'm just just that one

540
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: made a difference. You know, there's those Those are the

541
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: songs that just they're timeless and they never Those are

542
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 1: the ones you know that you know it's I just

543
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: love to play. Those are the ones I really love

544
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: to play anymore in rooms when I get a chance

545
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: to play, rather than the you know, there's you know,

546
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: are people shocked when you go, alright, I wrote this one.

547
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: Don't blink and you start singing, They're like, wow, you

548
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: wrote that. That's a generation an all song. That's gotta

549
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: be a really cool song to pull out when people

550
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: don't know you wrote it and start singing it and go, yeah,

551
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: I wrote this one. Yeah it is. It's it's it's awesome.

552
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: It's fun to sing, and it's fun to fun. It's

553
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: hard to sing now, but it's uh, um, it's a

554
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, it's just a It was a gift, man,

555
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: and I'm just grateful that I get to play it,

556
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: and you know, because there's always someone's got a story.

557
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: Every time I do, someone's got a story for me,

558
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: and in it means the world you have another Chesney

559
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: number one boys a fall for me being such a

560
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: sports guy like this again, this song is important to me.

561
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: I know where I was because I listened to the

562
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: song and think about me playing literally like I take

563
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: this song very literal and how big it was in

564
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: my life. When you guys, I wrote this song like

565
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: you were you talking about all right, there are all

566
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: these white people are gonna hear this song? Or was

567
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: it a straightforward like we're talking about baseball? No? Yeah, no,

568
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: we were. We were, like honestly we were. There wasn't

569
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: anything to write that day, and and I was with

570
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: Dave Turnbull and We're just sitting around picking on guitars,

571
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: and I was going through I I coached the kids

572
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,479
Speaker 1: at the time in Franklin Football youth league and I

573
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: was going through that and that's mostly where my mind was.

574
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: And uh, that's crazy because I think baseball, that's what Yeah, yeah,

575
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: yeah you could have it. There's that. There's that too,

576
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying, Like you know about me,

577
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: I'm hearing it and going every fall, Yeah, this is

578
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: what I was doing. You know, Spring ran into early

579
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: fall and we were usually playing like legion ball in fall,

580
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: and I'm hearing this song going, man, I'm like, we

581
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: live in my life again because of the song. That

582
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: wasn't even what you were thinking when you wrote it. Yeah,

583
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: and plus you know you think about you know, that's

584
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: when you know October that's when the MLBS going rocking,

585
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, and so yeah, it makes sense it would.

586
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: In fact, that's how the phone, that's how the song

587
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: got got um created was. I had picked my team.

588
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: I had a really good little team about fifteen kids,

589
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: but there's just one kid that wasn't out there for tryouts.

590
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: And I was like I was back before you know,

591
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: texting and all that. This guy would email me and

592
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: I I emailed this guy a friend and I was like, hey, Wherese,

593
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: what's your son? Why isn't out here? I need him?

594
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: He's fast and he's this and that he's like, man,

595
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: can you believe he picked fault baseball, and you don't

596
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: play fault baseball. That's just they just started making this up.

597
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: You played football. And he's like, yeah, I know. And

598
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: then and then he's like, I know what I'm saying.

599
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: I go I was just messing with him. And one

600
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: day he he checked in and I think the subject

601
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: line was like hey, because he was missing. He was

602
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: missing being out there watching practice. He goes, how are

603
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: my boys of fault? And I've never heard that before,

604
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, so, I just tucked it away.

605
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: And we're sitting there and this guy was mowing the grass.

606
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: I was sitting there a day one day and then

607
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: it was falling, the windows open and I heard him lawnmower,

608
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: and then that smells started coming in the window, and

609
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: I was like, gosh, did that smells like Friday night?

610
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: And it reminds me of foot football or just being

611
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: in a field and playing. And he's like, yeah, man,

612
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: that's that's right. Let's right a song about that those

613
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: days in high school. I feel like that the Chesney

614
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: art was football to like, if I'm thinking about like

615
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,479
Speaker 1: the single art for that song, it was there was. Yeah,

616
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: he did a whole document. Yeah, it was all because

617
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: I feel like Chesney really went hard football. He went

618
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: he went over the top and made that thing the

619
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: priority in the in the in the the video, the

620
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: documentary which was gotten as probably forty five minutes long,

621
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: of going to colleges and coaches and mentors and locker

622
00:34:54,680 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: rooms and uh the the making the you know m

623
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: relationship between sports and in life. It was awesome. I

624
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: mean it was incredible. And so let's playing a couple

625
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: more of these number ones comeback song from Darius Rodney Atkins,

626
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: Cleaning this Gun funny. Yeah, yeah, you talk about this.

627
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: This is a fun song. Yeah, but I think also

628
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: a lot of it's a very relatable song, yeah that

629
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: you don't have to talk about history of life first

630
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: to also go oh, like I felt that, Like there

631
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: are a lot of dads. I'll play that song out

632
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: and they laugh. Everybody in the room laughs, but they go, dad,

633
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: I get it. I would have had three boys, and

634
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: then I had my first daughter finally, And I remember

635
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: I was sitting down the backstop of the baseball game

636
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: and literally talking to a dad and my first daughter,

637
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: Charlie was at my feet, just playing in the dirt.

638
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 1: And next time I looked down. He father looked down too,

639
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: and he was like, and there's a little boy that

640
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: kind of came over there too, And I was like, wow,

641
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: it came a little faster than I thought, you know.

642
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: And then uh, that was just that's where that idea

643
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: was born. I was like, okay, and uh and I'll

644
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: never forget when I was in the early nineties when uh,

645
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: a great songwriter was over at the office. Buddy Brock

646
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: was over there and he was like, yeah, I gotta

647
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: get Eddie here early day. Boys, I my daughter's got

648
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: her first prom date. I want to be waiting in

649
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 1: the garage with it, cleaning my guns. And I'll never

650
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: that never left and just just just a just for

651
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: optics when he pulled up. Let's see if I out

652
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: your friends always talking about that, justin more why we

653
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: drink that's a recent one. Yeah, yeah, that was That

654
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: was a blast. It was David Leady Murphy, uh, Justin

655
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: and Jeremy Stover, Yeah you are you and David Lee.

656
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: But yes, then listen, I love the guy, the nicest guy,

657
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: and also look at him as the same guy that

658
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I was like this Davidlee

659
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: Murphy the artist. But now like the nicest. Yeah, he

660
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: just come up. No, he's got Yeah, he's just nothing's changed.

661
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: I got more money in God and he doesn't and

662
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: nothing's changed. Uh, you have three number two's. I go,

663
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: I gotta wonder about these number two like are they

664
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: more painful than a top ten because it's so clear? Yeah,

665
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: it was really really odd. I mean the the yeah,

666
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: I mean those like no shoes, which I would have been,

667
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: was the number one. Yeah, everybody, just because I think

668
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: people would associate this with Kenny more than some of

669
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: his other number ones. This is the Kenny brand. You

670
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: know what's you know what's wild is that um um

671
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 1: uh that came out, that came out first on him

672
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: and was storming up the charts until Alan Jackson put

673
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: out five o'clock somewhere and it jumped him in the

674
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: top five and stayed there and kept him out with

675
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett, right, Yeah, it was. It was wild. It

676
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: was they were kind of like battling with the same

677
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: lane in the same thing. And then and then there

678
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: was another number two with the stars and stripes an

679
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: eagle fly. I think I think that was number two

680
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: that was that was going up right there too, and

681
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: Alan Jackson jumped him with remember where were you in

682
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: the world? Stop turning and stayed there and kept him out.

683
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: Alan Jackson, we hate and Tucker had a number two

684
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: with rock On. Yeah. Do you know what kept it out? Um,

685
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: Alan Jackson, let's go get Casey. That's right, that's right,

686
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: you know it was up. I don't know, I don't know,

687
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: I I you know, I don't know how that all

688
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: really really works at the end of the day whenever.

689
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: Just back to church for one second. But when Homeboy

690
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: came out, we had always heard that was about one

691
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: of the writer's sons. That writer is is that writer you?

692
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: And was that son Tucker? It was, yeah, it was, yeah,

693
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't And it was a it was a dramatization,

694
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, it was. It was a title in my

695
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: head that I had. And Tucker was going through some

696
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: rebellious days and um, nothing crazy, but he was. He

697
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: was stepping outside the lines and we were grounding him

698
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: all the time. And his older brother c J. I'll

699
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: never forget it was in high school. It'd always come

700
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: down on Friday nights and Saturday nights, would come down

701
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: the kitchen and look running hate dad, Uh, don't let

702
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: Tucker go out tonight. He's not going where he says

703
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: he is. But just you didn't hear it from me,

704
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: and that he just loved him. That you know, my

705
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: kids just I'm grateful. They just love each other so much,

706
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: are so tight and uh so that's how it was.

707
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: And that's and that one day when I was outside

708
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: yard working and on a weed eater and stuff, and

709
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: they came back from football practice is cutting up and

710
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: hanging out. You know, you just see the love there.

711
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: And I thought, man, there's no nowhere that either one

712
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: of them could go that he wouldn't go find him

713
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: or get him back and that and then it just

714
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: sparked me and I was like, and that's where I

715
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: do a lot of work, is um outside the rooms.

716
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: It's just out and on a on a moor and

717
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: a job or a walk and in a field and

718
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 1: just thinking and I and I started formulating that song

719
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: and I immediately put it on a I recorded it

720
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: on a little you know, message thing I had, and

721
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: I told Eric about it, and he was like, yep, yep,

722
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: that's one. Let's do that. And he just you know,

723
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: he always if I have something to start, he he

724
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: knows exactly what to do and want to where to

725
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: go and how to wrap a bow run. And that

726
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: was a little nylon string, gut string, you know, Kenny Chesney,

727
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett guitar work tape, me on a cassette tape,

728
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: playing and singing, and it turned into what the song

729
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: it was. That's how crazy those two are when they

730
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: get in the studio. That's it's it's awesome what they

731
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: did with it. I'm looking at Heart and Soul, the

732
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: three records they're coming out from Eric, and I'm doing

733
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: something him tomorrow. And I mean again, he wrote twelve

734
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: of the twenty four. I mean he should put it

735
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: should just be Eric Casey. Um. Here here's hell of

736
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: a View, which, by the way, which I think a

737
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: lot of people will know. But this Leonard Skinner Jones

738
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: play some of this here. This is the last. It's

739
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: on Soul, It's on the back record. So tell me

740
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: the story. Tell me the story about this song. He

741
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: was on a walk. I was walking outside and Lennard

742
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: Skinner and Jones, Lennard Skinner and John. I was like,

743
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: what is that? And then just really dawned on me.

744
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: When I was walking, I thought, man, surely a crazy

745
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: fan is named there a son. I bet you there's

746
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: a Leonard Skinner and not a Leonard Skinner, but with

747
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: all four wise somewhere, if not, there's a dog I

748
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: know there, you know, and and uh and so I

749
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: didn't even know where to go with it. And those

750
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: are my favorite things to do, sitting just just just

751
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: whittle away on and I started and I had I

752
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: had Curtis Slow in the first verse the Tallahassee show.

753
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: We laughed at that, and we sang Curtis Slow, and

754
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: then I was stuck, and I go, well, what what's

755
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: the point? And then I was like, oh, wait, uh,

756
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: maybe a that's just the whole story that this kid

757
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: becomes who he is because he was the son of

758
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: Curtis Lowe, and that's the whole point of the song.

759
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: And I just just an imagination thinking of stuff and

760
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: trying to just it was a puzzle that that that

761
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: challenged me and and I spent about a month trying

762
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: to figure out and and got it to where it was.

763
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: And and I respect his his you know, opinion so

764
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: much that and the thought that I thought he could

765
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: make it better. I sent it to him and then

766
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: he was like the way it was way out of season,

767
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: you know, and he was like this, Uh, what's the

768
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: deal with this? And I said, well, you make it,

769
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: make it better and he was like, nah no, but

770
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: don't play this for anybody. And I was like okay,

771
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: and that was gonna be And these people were coming

772
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: up and cutting and recording and I was like, yeah,

773
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't sing it or say it. I don't

774
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: know so, but I but I honored him, honored that hold.

775
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: And uh six or eight months later, he when I

776
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: was with him in the mountains, he was like, all right,

777
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: let's let's do that one. And Jay was like, alright, Casey,

778
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: you you play. You play the acoustic guitar like you

779
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: do on the work tape and just Erico going and

780
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: sing and I'm like, no, not me, man, You're just

781
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: gonna fire me in about two hours. And that's how

782
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: it goes. He does, you know, he gets and uh

783
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: So we spent about two hours trying to cut that

784
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: and maybe make it more than it wasn't. Plus I

785
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: don't I don't play time real well, and it just

786
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: wasn't jelling and broke my heart, I think because we

787
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: didn't capture it. But they were still like, oh man,

788
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna get to we'll salvage it. We

789
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: kind of we just moved on to another song. And

790
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: and I can't say I wasn't disappointed after I went home.

791
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: I would go there like three or four days at

792
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: a time, and I went home going, oh, well, you know,

793
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: but He's like hey, he and Jay were like, no,

794
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: we we love that song. We're gonna get it somehow,

795
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: some way we might have it. We just gotta you know,

796
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: you know, going and figure this out. And then they

797
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: got a real guitar player, and in my opinion, like

798
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: Brian Sutton is one of the best there ever was

799
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: on him on any kind of acoustic instrument. And just

800
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: that's they just went in and that's all they needed,

801
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: just those two and it was just it just killed

802
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: me when I when I heard what they did with it.

803
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: It's just phenomenal. You wrote that by yourself, yea. How

804
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: do you know if a song you wrote by yourself

805
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: is good? Yeah, that's that's the that's the problem. Yes,

806
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: because no one's no one's across me going, I don't

807
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: know about that. You know, you gotta know, you gotta know.

808
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: Eric just send it to him and he'll tell you,

809
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: and he will tell you yeah, yeah, you'll know if

810
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: he gets it, or even Kenny Kenny's you know. I

811
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: mean there's guys like that, you know, like, um, that's

812
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 1: what I get. And I think every songwriter in town

813
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: that's why they co write, because they're insecure, what what

814
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: what do I do? And I'm sure there's a lot

815
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: of them that have taken songs that probably were done,

816
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: but they didn't think they were done, so they just

817
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: playing the half of it and they still go where

818
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: they already had it going anyways. You're like, dang, I

819
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: could have just rooted it myself. But so that's what's

820
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: the best thing about co writing is that you just

821
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, that's where you get the immediate feedback and

822
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: you know what you got, and you get people offering

823
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, a better, better thing and and something a

824
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: different angle. You wouldn't have seen that one either. I

825
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: played for my my kids. Usually songs I played for

826
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: my kids, especially Tuck or Eric, you know, with my

827
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: wife and see what they think. And and that's where

828
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: I get the real feedback, you know. Final question for you, Yeah,

829
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: if you could be remembered just by one song that

830
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: you wrote. They're like, all right, it's time to go

831
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 1: into the Pearly Gates song right around you get one song?

832
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: Um um, I I would, I would, I could say

833
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: don't don't blink or honestly, I think it was a

834
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: new it's a new song that that that it was

835
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: just a gift to me that it was called There

836
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: was Jesus. And I wrote it with a guy named

837
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: Zack Williams and Jonathan Smith. And Zach Williams is on

838
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: the c C him, you know, charts, and he's just

839
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: a phenomenal singer. I ran and ran into on the

840
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: radio one day and I just dude, like this guy's

841
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: voice is just so real and so good and and

842
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm just blown away by this guy. And I had

843
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: hit a wall of chasing stuff in Nashville. I mean

844
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: of just you know, trying. I think I was trying

845
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: too hard to be with the recent hits were and

846
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't never ring the bell or get anything going

847
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: and I and I was like, I just want to

848
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: I had stuff in me that I wanted to get out,

849
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: and I was afraid that a lot of people wouldn't

850
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: in country music say so. I asked my publishers. I said,

851
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: find this guy and see if I can get with him.

852
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: And uh, we wrote a song called there was Jesus

853
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: in It. I went to number one this year on

854
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: and they put Dolly Parton on it, and and uh,

855
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: it just was I had no intentions. I had no

856
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get it out and hear this

857
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: guy singing and it was phenomenal and and it and

858
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: it came out right at the perfect time that I

859
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: didn't know with minister to me. I was a ministering

860
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: to me, not not to just others, because I didn't

861
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: know I needed that song. I wouldn't need that song.

862
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: And uh. And so that one, you know, I wasn't

863
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: chasing anything. I was just trying to be honest and

864
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: write something with a with a great singer and and

865
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: and a great producer. And all of a sudden, Dolly

866
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: shows up on it and he's on it, and it

867
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: sounds like an angel and another angel singing, and uh,

868
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: and it gets I've been nominated for Grammys before, but

869
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, I was just nothing's ever. I just that's awesome.

870
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: It's an honor. And I thought the same thing for

871
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: this one. And and it turns out and it wins

872
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: one and you're like I had, I had nothing to

873
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: do with it. And that's where I could I literally,

874
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: I know it sounds cliche, but I could honestly point

875
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: when you finally stopped trying to do what you think

876
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: you want to do and just do what the gift

877
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: is given to you and your heart to do, you know,

878
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: and just let it go and see what happened. And and

879
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: and that's what I did. And I think that just

880
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: that one did everything I think a song is supposed

881
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: to do for me and for for and for God,

882
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, and and and it just and it worked.

883
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: And that's one I think that I could look back

884
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: on my life and go everything in my life. The

885
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: reason I moved to Nashville, I thought was from music,

886
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: and I thought it was for this, but it wasn't.

887
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: It was for meeting my wife, It was for having

888
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: my kids. It was for raising them in the right places,

889
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: and for meeting all my best friends in the world

890
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: and getting to do what I do well. I very

891
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: much appreciate you coming over here. I've just been a

892
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: big fan for so long, and most of the time,

893
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: like you said, I have all my nutcase friends that

894
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: are big stars and I don't give a crap. But

895
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: occasionally I get to hang out with somebody that I'm

896
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: in awe of and I appreciate and and that today's you.

897
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: So I really appreciate you coming by here. No, thank you.

898
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: I think the same thing. I have so much respect

899
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: for you. I love the way you carry yourself, I

900
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: love your story, I love everything. I think. We got

901
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: off a plane one time a while back, about the

902
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: same time you got off the plane and you stood

903
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: out there and you were talking to I can't remember

904
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 1: exactly what it it was. There was a a couple of people,

905
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: but you were standing there talking about where to go,

906
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: what to do now from here? Maybe get on another flighter.

907
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: But it was in Nashville, and I was like, I

908
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: think that's Bobby Bones. In fact, I think if I

909
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: was lost and nerdy, that was me. That's how you

910
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: know what I mean, lost and nerdy. That's it. Well,

911
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: you guys are do you tweet much? I don't. I

912
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: don't have an Instagram and tweet on le Okay, Well,

913
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: somebody named Casey about to got a Twitter, so so

914
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: don't follow Casey on Twitter. Passed along left to your

915
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: family for me and thank you for coming buy I

916
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: really appreciate thank you. There is hey, guys, Bobby back here.

917
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: So that was the interview. But now, if you've made

918
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: it this far and you want to hear more, here's

919
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: the part where I got really into talking about sports

920
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: and I got to really geek out. So here is

921
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: part two. That was actually the very beginning. But enjoy

922
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: going back in time. Bit Uh, your dad was an

923
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: NFL general manager who knew, so you must be just

924
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: mr Football knowledge. That was life. I someone sent me

925
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: a picture just that's our who was actually my brother.

926
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: I don't know where he got it from. He goes,

927
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 1: look at this and it was it was someone put

928
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: it on Instagram from the It was the Dolphins Instagram

929
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: page and it said an old Oh. It was a

930
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: picture of Shoela's kids and Bethord's kids getting taught by

931
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: Matt Morrel and the and the Earl Moral was a

932
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: backup quarterback at the time in the early seventies of

933
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: the of the of the Dolphins. But her dad was

934
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: a ran the player personnelity department there in Miami. So

935
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, that's that's what we used

936
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: to do, just spend you know, running around barefoot on

937
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: those fields and I lived there's it's a picture of me,

938
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: long hair, no shirts, the bathing suit on in the

939
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: it of a football player with the Shula kids and

940
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: we're just getting you know, playing with football and that

941
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: was life. And so it was kind of like, uh,

942
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: you know, like we are now. When you grow up

943
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: around these guys that people that there, it's you know,

944
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: you're never really starstruck. You just that's that was life,

945
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: and it was it was just an awesome way of

946
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: life to just grow up there. And then he went

947
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: from there to the Redskins and gosh, he's has like

948
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: eight super Bowl rings. So we were all we were

949
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: all at those Super Bowls and it was just a yeah,

950
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: it was a spoiled it was a life you kind

951
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: of took for granted. You just you did that. You

952
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: mentioned the seventies Dophins and I didn't put the time

953
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: frame together, but was he seventy two Dolphins? That was

954
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: undefeated team? That that Zonka, that's crazy, it is, it's crazy.

955
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: Larry Zanka was like my my, just my mentor. I

956
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: got a picture of I came up to about to

957
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: hear about high high on him and he's got his

958
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: head on my hand on my head, and I used

959
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: to hang out with him most of the time and

960
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: his locker and he'd take me around. And because I

961
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: was just a little boy and he didn't have kids

962
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: and stuff, so he kind of meant towards me and

963
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: kind of in camp and stuff. And it was awesome.

964
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: We were we were best friends for a little while.

965
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: There are those good memories to you. Oh, they're awesome. Awesome,

966
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that was that's a you know, that's when

967
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it was such an innocent life, you know,

968
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: you know, I sounded like an old guy talking about

969
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, the kid you just run around and do

970
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean we literally played hide and

971
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: seek in the Dolphins locker room and would hide under

972
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: Don Shula's desk when he was the coach. By the way,

973
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: because you're not a sports guy or sports sportswoman, Don

974
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: Shula was the head coach of the Dolphins. Did you

975
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: were you ever there when Marino came in early or

976
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: did you got to leave before he came out? Where

977
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: you gotta to Washington? Yes? So, I I from about

978
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: ten or eleven up. I grew up in Northern Virginia

979
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: up there in the Redskin area that Joe Gibbs yours. Yeah,

980
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: Dad hired Joe. That's crazy, are you the music? Remember

981
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: when he had the idea of hiring him, because right

982
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: after it was Jack Party and my dad got hired

983
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: at the same time in seventies seven or whatever, and

984
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: they didn't work very well, and so they ended up

985
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: going with Dad not firing him, and they fired Jack

986
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: Party the head coaching because my dad was a roommate

987
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: of John Madden's in college. So they said. The owner

988
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: was like, you need to hire John Madden. That'll be

989
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 1: star power. I I got somebody else in mind, and

990
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: and they he threatened them, I mean, the coach. The

991
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: owner was like, if this doesn't work, it's your You're gone,

992
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: and he said, just try to trust me. And of

993
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: course they started out on six their first year, and

994
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: they ended up eight and eight and the next year

995
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: they went to the Super Bowl and anymore, so it

996
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: worked out. But yeah, that's that's wild. So you have

997
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: a lot of football in your life early then, I'm

998
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: assuming you played football for a while until when I

999
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: played through college. I went to a little school in

1000
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: North Carolina called Elon College, and uh, uh, you know,

1001
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: growing up in that my mother. My mother was musical,

1002
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: so I around her. I was kind of like the

1003
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: black sheep in the in the family of gravitating towards that.

1004
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: But every but it was athletics too, you know. And

1005
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 1: so my brothers they played, and they went through college

1006
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 1: and played, and I but I was kind of leaning.

1007
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do. But I, uh, I figured,

1008
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: especially when you're young watching your your heroes, you just go, well,

1009
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: I guess I'll go be a pro football player or

1010
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: something first, and then I'll probably getting I didn't know

1011
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: how to get into the muse, and guy, I knew

1012
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: I could just get in the football and then you well,

1013
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: I ended up coming out of high school and stopped

1014
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: growing and uh, I just didn't have all that stuff,

1015
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: but I that it takes. But I ended up getting

1016
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: a chance to, you know, playing college, and and that's

1017
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: right after that, and through college, I was I was

1018
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: honing a lot of you know, music stuff too at

1019
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: the same time, and my mother had died in that time,

1020
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: and so I started I wrote my first real song,

1021
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: uh maybe when I was a junior in college that

1022
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: really meant meant something that impressed the roommates and the

1023
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: people around and they're like, wow, that's cool. And then

1024
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: I it kind of um encouraged me to go that direction,

1025
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: you know. And then my dad was one of those

1026
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: kinds that you know, he's he's he is that like

1027
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: the best dad in the world, I think, And um,

1028
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: so he was always like, how I don't know how

1029
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: to help you, and I don't know anything about music,

1030
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: what you're gonna move to Nashville. I don't know how

1031
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,479
Speaker 1: to help you. And uh, I said, I don't, I don't.

1032
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: It's all right, I don't need it, and you know,

1033
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: and he wanted us, you know, he would have rather

1034
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: let me get you started and scouting and stuff like that.

1035
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: The irony, as you know, your life paralleled from sports

1036
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: to music, is that CJ your sons. Is he still

1037
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: with Jacksonville? Yeah, he just signed with jackson but they

1038
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: haven't moved. They haven't. They signed him because're gonna the

1039
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: first overall pick too and they're probably take Trevor Lawrence.

1040
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: So but he's staying. And they didn't like sign him

1041
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: and then ship him off. No, no, no, no, So

1042
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: that that was a point, you know, they have you know,

1043
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: I don't know who they he knew the intentions of them,

1044
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: but they sometimes you don't wanna you don't want to

1045
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: throw a rookie in the fire, kind of like he

1046
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: got thrown in four years ago. But and and and uh,

1047
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: they want to competent back up. I think at least

1048
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 1: you home. But he's taken it as just a great

1049
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to help somebody and or to compete, you know.

1050
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: So that's yeah, they just signed him one son in

1051
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: the NFL and then one son. It's like you've were

1052
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: split in half and they went there their different ways

1053
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: there