1 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by my trust 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: in colleague West Hodkowitz. We're coming to you hear from 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: our studios at lambeau Field, Wes with a little bit 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: more to talk about regarding Green Bay's draft class, and 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: specifically one draft pick whom whose story you dove into 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 2: a little bit deeper. He was a great story that 9 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: we already talked about, the fourth round pick, Baron Surrell, 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: defensive lineman out of Texas. But you talk to some 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: other folks behind the scenes part of his background. There's 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: a really well written profile piece that is now posted 13 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: on packers dot com. Congratulations on all the hard work 14 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: you put into it. But tell us about some of 15 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: these folks you talk to and what you learned about 16 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: a young man whom Packers fans are already kind of 17 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: starting to fall in love with a little bit. 18 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: No, thank you, Michael, that's very kind of you to say, 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 3: And obviously a lot of the credit goes to Baron. 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: His mom, Selena Gibbons, was very accommodating with the amount 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 3: of time she gave me. Obviously, the number of photos 22 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 3: she had. I think in all my years doing this, 23 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: I don't know if I've had more options as far 24 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: as illustrating a story with outside photos than what Selena 25 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 3: gave me. And then talking to Mike Brandle's econ professor 26 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: at Texas. It just gives you a really strong idea 27 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 3: of who this guy is. Because I think my number 28 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: one thought when we came out of draft weekend is 29 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: who is this human being that decided to come up 30 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 3: to Green Bay, Wisconsin and spend the week here when 31 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: he was probably going to be a day two, day 32 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: three selection and then suddenly gets selected by the team 33 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: that the draft is being held at. And when you 34 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: start to understand the way that Baron is wired and 35 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 3: where he comes from down in Louisiana, New Orleans, and 36 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 3: why he's always been so motivated. Again, this is a 37 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: kid that was asking for speed ladders for Christmas. He 38 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 3: was asking for concussion helmets with the latest technology to 39 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: protect himself. He was a dude who, no matter what 40 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: it took in the classroom, he wanted to make sure 41 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 3: that he was going to be able to tie the 42 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: academics to the athletics with it. And at the end 43 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: of the day. I mean, what an incredible life he's 44 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 3: already led in twenty two years. I mean, he had 45 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 3: offers to Northwestern to duke, he ends up settling on Texas. 46 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 3: He always wanted to play in the SEC. His senior 47 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 3: year of college, he's able to play in the SEC, 48 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: makes it to the College Football Playoff back to back years. 49 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: But more than anything, understanding his wiring and what motivates 50 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 3: him and Selena had a tremendous anecdote about when he 51 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: was little, saying to his mom, you know, I want 52 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: to make you a millionaire someday. And this guy is 53 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 3: willing to do whatever it takes to excel in his 54 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 3: chosen profession, and it just so happens to be that 55 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 3: he's a football player. So I also want to give 56 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 3: a quick shout out to Mike Brandle, who was the 57 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 3: professor that very generously went on Twitter after the draft 58 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 3: and really expounded on how special this guy is. Three 59 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: and a half years he graduates from Texas, He's in 60 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: an introduction to macroeconomics class spring of twenty twenty two, 61 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: doesn't do well on the first exam. His brother, Avery's 62 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 3: the one that's kind of telling him, hey, maybe check 63 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: in with the professor. Brandle Off opens up his office 64 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 3: to him. They end up having weekly meetings and next 65 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 3: thing you know, a few years later, Brandal, who was 66 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: born in Kenosha, Wisconsin, UW grad got his master's from Milwaukee, 67 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 3: goes down to Texas and he's sitting there scrolling through 68 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: the internet and he finds out that Baron Serrell not 69 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 3: only got drafted, not only showed up in Green Bay, 70 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 3: but then also got taken and selected by Brandell's childhood team. 71 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 3: It's those type of things that sort of show you 72 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: how small the world can be sometimes and also just 73 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 3: the power of motivation. And I think there's so many 74 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: of us that at nineteen twenty years old, we didn't 75 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: have it all figured out. And this is a kid 76 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: in Baron Cerell, who since basically he could play football, 77 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 3: since he could play sports, he's had a very clear 78 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: vision of what he wants to accomplish. 79 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 80 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: I was really drawn into a lot of the academic 81 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 2: details that you had in the story. First the piece 82 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: about his folks ponying up the money to put him 83 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: into a private school for high school. But with the 84 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: caveat that, you know, mom and dad aren't paying for c's. 85 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: This is it. 86 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: You got to get your a's and b's here, if 87 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: we're going to do this, if we're going to make 88 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: the sacrifice and put you on this path. And then 89 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: you follow that up with Professor Brandle, the econ professor 90 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: at the University of Texas, where Sorell doesn't do well 91 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: in the first exam, as you said, so he's looking 92 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 2: for some extra help. And then he's starting to have 93 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: these weekly zoom meetings with his professor to get you know, 94 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: to get better explanation, to try to get the material 95 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: down better so he can succeed in the class. And 96 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 2: it's a handful of sessions into this thing before Professor 97 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 2: Brandle even knows this is a football player on the 98 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: other side of the screen, because you think normally in 99 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 2: those situations, a student athlete is going to go to 100 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 2: the professor and say, hey, let you know, it's like 101 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 2: I've got my sports practice and my schedule is super 102 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: busy and I'm not doing well in this class and 103 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 2: I need you to, you know, do you have some 104 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 2: time to help me. However that might go, cREL just 105 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: went to him as any other student who needs help. 106 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 2: This wasn't about him being a football player. This wasn't 107 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 2: about seeking any special treatment because he was on scholarship 108 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: for with the Texas Longhorns, and he got the grades 109 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: turned around and he was successful in the class with 110 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 2: the extra help from the professor. So it's things like 111 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: that when you find out those when you find out 112 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 2: those other pieces to a player's background that aren't necessarily 113 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: about sports. They're about the other things that they need 114 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 2: to dedicate their lives to in order to create that 115 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 2: successful path into sports. Those are the types of background stories, 116 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: the background details that draw me in and quite frankly, 117 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: I can't wait to get to know Baron Currell even 118 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: better here as he begins his NFL career with the Packers. 119 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. I appreciate that, mikel I will say too. I 120 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 3: said this to him on the phone. I will extend 121 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 3: the invitation to him. Now, Mike Brandle, next time you 122 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: come up to Green Bay, I mean, thenner on me 123 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: come over to lambeau Field anytime you want. Like, I 124 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: really enjoyed my conversation with this guy because he's an 125 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 3: incredibly intelligent academic, I mean, a PhD in his field, 126 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 3: worked at the University of Texas, Austin went to Ohio State. 127 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 3: I mean, he's done a lot in his profession and 128 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 3: still has that Midwestern nice sort of like sure reality, 129 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 3: just like you could sit down and have a an 130 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: Arnold Palmer with him. But one thing I really enjoyed 131 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 3: about his story he talked about how he's kind of 132 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: an old school minded professor. Nice guy. You look at 133 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 3: his rate for my professor page, which I did when 134 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 3: I was doing my research. People talked about just how 135 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 3: one of the best professors they've ever had. But he's 136 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 3: tough minded, like he's not just going to hand out 137 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: a's and bes. He even said like he would love it. 138 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 3: And it's not about athletes, it's just about any student 139 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 3: in general, the people that don't attend class, that don't 140 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: do well in the class, and at the end of 141 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 3: the semester, like what can I do to get a 142 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: BEE or what can I do to get an A? 143 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: And he's like, the level of this is you know, 144 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: d's end at sixty, you're in the forties. There's not 145 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: a whole lot I can do to get you up 146 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: into the BES. And then here's a guy in Sorel 147 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 3: who's literally his first exam of the course where he 148 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: takes the time and says, hey, this isn't clicking for me. 149 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 3: You got to understand Baron had a four point six 150 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: GPA in high school. And if you heard what I 151 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: said earlier in the show, I mean he was getting 152 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: recruited by major Division one colleges with huge academic you 153 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 3: know backgrounds there, including the University of Northwestern University, which 154 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: may or may not be in you know, a school 155 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 3: that Mike Spofford went to be that as it may, 156 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: it shows you the determination this young guy has. And 157 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: if I may, I just want to throw this out 158 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: there as well. Looking at the draft day experience, there 159 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 3: were two elements of this that I really enjoyed learning 160 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 3: more about. Kudos to the Commissioner, Roger Goodell. The NFL 161 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 3: could not have been more welcoming to Sorell. Once Chris Cabot, 162 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: his agent, had said, you know, my client would really 163 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: like to attend the draft. This has been a lifelong 164 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: dream of his. The NFL made it happen. They made 165 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 3: him feel like any other top prospect. Roger Goodell's commitments 166 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 3: After that first day, it goes a lot of different directions. 167 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 3: There's relations enjoy he doesn't go up there. This isn't 168 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 3: COVID anymore. He's not reading every single draft pick. But 169 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 3: he made it a point at the end of day 170 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 3: two to go back into the green room when Baron Serell, 171 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 3: a wonderful three piece suit he had on, is sitting 172 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: there with his family. Waited hours with his family to 173 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 3: see will I get drafted? Will I get drafted? The 174 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: call never comes. Goodell goes back there and tells him, 175 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: if you want to stay, I will be there for you. 176 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: I will announce you on Saturday. Because Sorel and his 177 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: family weren't sure. They were like, should we stay, can 178 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: we stay? Do we need to leave? And they could 179 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 3: not have been more welcome in that regard. And then 180 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 3: once it does happen, he has this Cinderella fairy tale 181 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 3: type story that happens where he gets picked by the packers, 182 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 3: he gets embraced by the fans, he does a Lambeau 183 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 3: leap Mark Murphy is pushing the button down at the 184 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: tunnel to bring him down. 185 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: Onto the field. 186 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 3: I mean, like just so much excitement that was going 187 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 3: that was happening there, and Selena says to him, like, 188 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 3: you know, make sure you stop and smell the Roses 189 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: and as much as he appreciated all of that, baron 190 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 3: telling her mom, I have it's time to work. Yeah, 191 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: this young man gets it. It wasn't just about the 192 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: NFL Draft. It's not about making his mom a millionaire. 193 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 3: It's about fulfilling his potential. Now he's with the Green 194 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 3: Bay Packers, he has an excellent opportunity to contribute to 195 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 3: this Jeff Athley defense and he wants to make sure 196 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 3: he does it. 197 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 198 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and his story will be followed closely every step 199 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: of the way. Another piece of news with regarding the 200 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: draft class also University of Texas. The first round pick 201 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: Matthew Golden has signed his contract with the Packers. That is, 202 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: that is signed, sealed, delivered, official. We are long past, 203 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: you know, the era of extended draft pick holdouts and 204 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: things like that the way things go. But the Packers 205 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: at this point now just have one more draft pick 206 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: who has yet to sign. That his second round pick, 207 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 2: Anthony Belton. Some interesting things going on with second round 208 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 2: picks where there are a couple guys in that round 209 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: who have already signed, who got one hundred percent guaranteed contracts, 210 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 2: Which is kind of a new thing because because the 211 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: one hundred percent guaranteed contracts were pretty much just for 212 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: the first rounders. The way things have been going the 213 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: last couple of years, it's yeah, it's it's something that 214 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: has been progressing. It's progressed through the first rounders, and 215 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 2: now the one hundred percent guarantee is is creeping into 216 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 2: the second round draft picks. So I think that's holding 217 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 2: up some of the negotiations, you know, because really the 218 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: vast majority of the draft pick across the league who 219 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 2: have yet to sign our second round picks, that's what 220 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: everybody is waiting on. But congratulations to Matthew Golden. He 221 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: got his deal. And this is a young man who 222 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: obviously talked about his desire to buy back the family home, 223 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: his grandmother's house, and now that he's gonna have some 224 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: money in the bank, he'll probably start the process at 225 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: whatever it takes to get that property back in his family. 226 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: It's one of the coolest things that happened a lot 227 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 3: of times in the NFL draft. Super sad like you 228 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: hate that, you know, for families, a lot of times 229 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 3: this happens, but also it's emotional. I remember I think 230 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 3: Eric Stokes when he got drafted in twenty one. I 231 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 3: want to say it was Eddie bought a house for 232 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 3: his grandmother. Yeah, I know Eddie Lacey did it. Yeah, 233 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 3: in twenty thirteen he bought a house for his mom 234 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 3: and down in Louisiana. I believe it was. You could 235 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 3: tell listening to Golden talk about this and what it 236 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 3: means to him and growing up in that household and 237 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 3: at times heaven to live in hotels with his mom 238 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: having to you know, live in the back, you know, 239 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: in the car of a Walmart parking lot in the 240 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: area because they didn't have some place to go. And 241 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: then he's living with different people as you know, his 242 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 3: mom's trying to get back up on her feet. Life 243 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: can be really hard on people. But you know, as 244 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 3: as Matt Lafleur and Brian Goodcuns Bull talked about, you 245 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 3: do not want that to happen. You don't want young 246 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 3: children to have to go through that. But there is 247 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 3: a mental toughness that gets forged there that when you 248 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: end up on an NFL team or you end up 249 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 3: in a professional sport, you've been tested in a lot 250 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: of ways. This doesn't even compare to it the pressure 251 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: that you feel when you and I might look at 252 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 3: an eighty thousand seat stadium, or if you're looking at 253 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 3: the you know, the SEC one hundred thousand seat stadiums, 254 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: these venues where there's just people and noise and distractions. 255 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: How guys are able to rise above that because a 256 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: lot of what happened in their their formative years. Golden 257 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 3: is a testament to that, in addition to the fact 258 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: that the guy has elite traits for an NFL receiver. 259 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: And you know, I've been doing some interviews the last 260 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: couple of weeks and people asking about, you know, how 261 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: are the Packers going to incorporate all these guys, How 262 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 3: are they going to be able to figure out what 263 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 3: their path forward is and giving guys opportunities and targets 264 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 3: and touches and snaps, And the way I look at 265 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 3: it is, Yeah, it is going to be up to 266 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: matt Lafleur in the coaching staff to figure out how 267 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 3: they want to divvy that up. But it's also going 268 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 3: to be about that group earning it. And the more 269 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 3: opportunities you're in, the more opportunities you're given. And I 270 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: feel like Matthew Golden is coming in much like Baron 271 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 3: Sorel different type of backgrounds, different types of upbringings. But 272 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: this is a guy that is going to get that 273 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: first chance to be in the NFL. Yeah, it's great 274 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 3: to have that contract fully guaranteed. It's great to have 275 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 3: that money in the bank. But there's so much yet 276 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: they're out for you and getting through that rookie contract 277 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: and getting the unrestricted free agency and getting the possibilities 278 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 3: of extensions. This is just the beginning. It's just the 279 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 3: beginning of a much larger story. 280 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think coming up over the next few 281 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 2: weeks here as the Packers get into OTAs in mini camp, 282 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: we're just going to get a taste of what this 283 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: rookie draft class is going to do on the field. 284 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: And quite frankly, I think the coaches are going to 285 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: be feeling out like, you know, okay, where are these 286 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: guys comfortable? 287 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: What does it look like they can do best right away? 288 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: And then the coaches are going to sort of take 289 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: that experimental information from OTAs and then figure out how 290 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: to work them into certain reps and whatnot into training 291 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: camp to build them up because you know, whichever side 292 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: of the ball it is, they're just they're learning a 293 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: playbook from scratch in the NFL, which is which is 294 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: no easy task for anybody. 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All right, on the topic of the playbook, 304 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 2: an interesting comment made last week when the media met 305 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: with the offensive and defensive assistant coaches. I want to 306 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: focus on some comments from the offensive coaches right now. 307 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: Jason Brabel, the Packers passing game coordinator, previously wide receivers 308 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: coach a couple of years ago, was promoted to passing 309 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: game coordinator under Matt Lafleur. He actually referenced he was 310 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: asked about a young rookie like Matthew Golden Saveon Williams. 311 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: These wide receivers that come in and they need to learn, 312 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: they need to learn an NFL playbook, and how challenging 313 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: is that versus, you know, what they learned in college. 314 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: And and Vrabel estimated that that a college playbook is 315 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: probably only about one fourth or maybe one third the 316 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: size of an NFL playbook. And that's one of those 317 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: things you just have to you have to stop and 318 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: remember that when it comes to these young players and 319 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: when they're starting their their NFL journeys, the game, the 320 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: game is played at a significantly more complex level at 321 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: the NFL than it is at college, even at the 322 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: even at the height of Division one, because you're dealing 323 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: with absolutely the best athletes at every position, the best 324 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: coaches at every position, the best coordinators in the sport. 325 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: And so the challenge for these guys learning an NFL playbook, 326 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: it's it's a phrase that we use all the time, 327 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: but you have to understand just how challenging it is 328 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: because of how different it is from the college game. 329 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love Jason Vrabel. I've said this numerous times. 330 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: And the guy, he's going to be a coordinator, an 331 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 3: offensive coordinator some day. I really hope he gets opportun 332 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 3: to be a head coach. 333 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: Because I think I think he's on his way. 334 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 3: From the media perspective already got it down. Yeah, I 335 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 3: mean the way that he can talk, like where you know, 336 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: he doesn't create questions for his receivers, but he addresses 337 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 3: things earnestly and honestly. And then also the way he 338 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: expands on stuff. Again, much like Jeff Hafley, There's just 339 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: so much you learn from him in conversations like that. 340 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 3: And I think you and I to some degree would 341 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 3: understand and know that the complex the complexity of an 342 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 3: NFL playbook is going to be more than a college playbook. 343 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: In most cases, it's just the way the. 344 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 3: Game is played. It's the developmental system for the NFL 345 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 3: at some level. It's going to get more complicated as 346 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 3: you rise throughout that course. That said, when you put 347 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 3: tangible numbers to that, you put comparisons to it, it 348 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: really does drive home the idea that there is so 349 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 3: much these guys have to learn coming into the National 350 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 3: Football League. Yes, occasionally you're going to have dudes that 351 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 3: come in and just blow the hinges off the door 352 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 3: right from day one. The Clay Matthews of the world 353 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 3: exist right also first round picks, but at the same time, 354 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 3: you're going to have to be able to learn to 355 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 3: take all the tools that made you successful at the 356 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 3: college level and figure out what translates and what works 357 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 3: well at the NFL. The scouts project that can you 358 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 3: fulfill those projections? Can you turn that potential into production? 359 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 3: And I feel like that's where as much as we 360 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 3: want to perseverate on where those receivers are and what 361 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 3: Matthew Golden's going to do and what's say E Williams 362 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 3: is going to do right off the bat, you have 363 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 3: to remember that these are investments in the future. Anthony 364 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 3: Belton is going to be in an investment into the 365 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 3: future regardless he's on the starting five this year, and 366 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 3: occasionally it's going to take a year or two. It's 367 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 3: going to be the Sean Ryans that break into the 368 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 3: lineup in year three and then become starters finally in 369 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 3: a full fledged fashion. That's just the way development goes, 370 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: and that's the way the game is played. The exciting 371 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 3: thing for me, though, as we talked about previously, the 372 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 3: fact that Green Bay took a position where you and 373 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 3: I talked about all the different skill sets and all 374 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: the different types of playmakers they have, and they somehow 375 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: found a way to make that even more dynamic. 376 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, they created even greater variety to the types of 377 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 2: players and the types of weapons that they have. I'm 378 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 2: going to run down some other comments from the offensive 379 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: coaches that that sort of caught my ear, and then 380 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: I'll just I'll throw it to you if you have 381 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 2: a reaction to any or all of them. Another comment 382 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: that Jason Vrabel made is with regard to Luke Getzi, 383 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: who is now back on the Packers coaching staff after 384 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 2: a few years away. He's he's a senior offensive assistant. 385 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 2: He was back towards the end of last season in 386 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: you know, a different type of capacity, not necessarily officially, 387 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 2: you know, under contract on the coaching staff kind of thing. 388 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: But Vrabel said towards the end of last season that 389 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 2: when Getsy was watching practices, a guy that really jumped 390 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 2: out at him was Dantavian Wicks. Yes, and I think 391 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: with the season that Wicks had last year and some 392 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: of the frustrations with the job, the drops and and 393 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 2: you know, him putting a lot of pressure on himself 394 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 2: to succeed. Just the fact that that comment was made 395 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: by Luke Getsy towards the end of last season, I 396 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 2: think is something to keep in mind. With Dontavian Wicks. 397 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 2: Luke Butkis the offensive line coach. He actually made the 398 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: comment with regard to Zach Tom, the Packers right tackle, 399 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 2: who is potentially headed for a long term contract extension 400 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: here coming up, you know, maybe in the near future 401 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 2: or not so long term future. He made a comment 402 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: that that Zach Tom was actually not all that happy 403 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 2: about his season last year, and you're reminded when you 404 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 2: hear that, you're reminded that as much as you know, 405 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 2: it was sort of like, oh, Zach Tom's got right 406 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 2: tackle lockdown, nobody's worried about over there. But he did 407 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: have to come back from a torn pectorals a last spring, 408 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 2: and he wasn't really back to full strength probably for 409 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,479 Speaker 2: quite a while even though he was back on the field. 410 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 2: But Zach Tom was working through a heck of a 411 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: lot last year and yet was still a pretty darn 412 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: solid right tackle over there. But it's a reminder of 413 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: maybe just how much better Zach Tom could be in 414 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five if he is at full strength. And 415 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: then another comment that caught my year coming from Ben Sermons, 416 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: the running backs coach, and Ben Sermons is the last 417 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: coach to stand up at a podium and try to 418 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: create headlines of any kind whatsoever. But he actually said 419 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 2: that Josh. He thought Josh Jacobs looks better right now 420 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 2: just in the offseason work and the training and whatnot 421 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: that they're doing then he did last year at this time. 422 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: That's another thing that just it kind of opens your eyes. 423 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: It's like, oh, Okay, a guy with three hundred some 424 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,959 Speaker 2: carries and thirteen hundred rushing yard last year is actually 425 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 2: looking even better. Not that I'm necessarily surprised by that, 426 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: but anyway, those were some comments that caught. 427 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: My ear, just wondering your reaction to any of them. 428 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 3: Two things here, One with Josh Shacobs. Does it come 429 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 3: as a surprise, No, I get that. But also when 430 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: you hear the way he talked at the end of 431 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: last season, have you ever heard of another player that 432 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 3: probably sounded as motivated just to play Week one of 433 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 3: the following season as Josh Jacobs was coming out of Philadelphia, 434 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 3: No kidding, whether it was his comments in the postgame 435 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 3: locker room or even in the weeks after, you know, 436 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 3: at the super Bowl and everything else that came this 437 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: guy clearly's champing at the bit to get back at 438 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: this thing. And if you think about NFL running backs 439 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 3: and where he came from, it took him five years, 440 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 3: I don't want to say escape, but to find a 441 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 3: culture in a team and basically be able to pick 442 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 3: where he wanted to be. And now he's there, and 443 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 3: I think this is a guy that doesn't want to 444 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 3: waste that opportunity understanding what the clock looks like for 445 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: him and making sure that he makes hey while the 446 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 3: sun is still shining, as my grandfather would say. 447 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: Sure. 448 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 3: Secondly, the Luke Getsy comment might have been the most 449 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: telling of anything that came out of the coordinator or 450 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 3: coach's comments. 451 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 2: And just to be clear, Luke Getsy was not act 452 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 2: out there at the podium. This is Jason Rabel talking 453 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 2: about a conversation that he had with Luke Getsy toward 454 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 2: the end of last season. Correct. 455 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, because Luke and the senior assistant role is not speaking. 456 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 3: But when you're saying what relaying what Jason Rabel was 457 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 3: saying that Luke Getsy said, one thing that I immediately 458 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 3: thought of is we focus so much on his background 459 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 3: as a quarterback and as the quarterbacks coach for Aaron 460 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 3: Rodgers and then a two time offensive coordinator. You sometimes 461 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 3: can easily forget that this is the guy that was 462 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 3: the Packers' receiving coach when not only Jordy Nelson was 463 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 3: the NFL Comeback Player of the Year, but also when 464 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 3: DeVante Adams really broke out as a legitimate, bonafide, top shelf, 465 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 3: potential Hall of Fame receiver. Yeah, he's seen those traits 466 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 3: up close and personal, both when you have an established 467 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 3: wide out like Jordy that's doing well into his later career, 468 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 3: or a guy like Davante who was a second round 469 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 3: pick with everything in front of him. So when he 470 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 3: says that about Dundwan Tavian Wicks, it again doesn't necessarily 471 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 3: surprise me because of everything he showed his rookie season, 472 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 3: but it does give you an idea that these guys 473 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 3: are all human. Things happen, but the potential is still 474 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 3: very much there. Wix is gonna obviously have to work 475 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: for it this summer. He's going to be in this 476 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 3: competition again. As we just talked about, finding those snaps 477 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 3: is not going to be easy. Finding those targets is 478 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 3: not going to be easy. But this guy's clearly shown 479 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 3: game breaking tendencies that can put you in a win column. 480 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm and we'll be talking about it a lot 481 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: as the spring and summer goes along, go along the 482 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: competition that is going to be developing here at wide receiver, 483 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: and I guess I just wanted to point out that 484 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 2: for all the excitement there is about Matthew Golden's Avion 485 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: Williams and how the Packers are going to use them, 486 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: and everybody knows Romeo Dobbs and Christian Watson who's coming 487 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 2: back from the injury. They're both in a contract year 488 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 2: and everything, and then you have Jaden Reid and don 489 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 2: Tavian Wicks from that next draft class. Don't be writing 490 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 2: off any of those other guys. I mean, this is 491 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: the theseus. There is not a single one of those 492 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 2: guys that is a finished product in the NFL. Their 493 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 2: their their story, their book has not yet been written. 494 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 2: And that's what I think is going to be so 495 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: exciting here moving forward into twenty twenty five at that position, 496 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 2: because the Packers have a ton of young talent, they're 497 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 2: kind of shoved into one room and they're going to 498 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 2: be out there fighting for snaps and fighting for targets, 499 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 2: as you said, and the cream is going to have 500 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 2: to rise to the top. And that's that's how this 501 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: thing is set up, and we'll have to see how 502 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: it unfolds. 503 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: Conjecture always for whatever reason in the offseason, Trump's context 504 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 3: and I feel like, you know all the stuff that 505 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: has been written about the receiver position and who's the 506 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 3: wide receiver one, and how does all this thing shuffle out? 507 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 3: What you forget is Christian Watson's not going to be there, 508 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 3: at least at the beginning. How does that affect things. 509 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 3: That's all hypotheticals if Christian Watson's healthy, and how the 510 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 3: Packers would approach their offseason. But we can't sit here 511 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 3: and talk about how important Christian Watson is like we 512 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 3: did last season and then not acknowledge when he's not 513 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: there that the Packers have to make a move. There 514 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 3: has to be a response. I mean that has nothing 515 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 3: to do with the other receivers in the room. It 516 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: has to do with the fact that Christian Watson is 517 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 3: pretty darn good as a football player, and defenses have 518 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 3: to handle the Packers differently when he's out there. That threat, 519 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 3: at least momentarily is on the shelf. So what are 520 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 3: you going to do? You have to put more jars 521 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 3: on the shelf. That's what Matthew Golden was, That's what 522 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 3: Savian William was, and that's what Mkole Hardman was. So 523 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 3: I've talked to you about this before. We'll continue to 524 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 3: talk about it, especially once OTA's begin here shortly. This 525 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 3: is as deep in terms of the way the Packers 526 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 3: have structured their roster as my time on the beat 527 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 3: at all these various positions. They may not have as 528 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: many proven assets at those positions, but there are so 529 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 3: many different ways they can go. Why does that matter? 530 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: Because when there is an injury, that means you have 531 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 3: another guy that can step up into that. We do 532 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 3: not set a depth chart. We do not set a 533 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 3: fifty three man roster and say, okay, well this is 534 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 3: how it's going to be the entire season. It rarely 535 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 3: works out like that, right. The Packers at this point 536 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 3: they wanted options. Fans wanted options. Guess what, people, you 537 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 3: got options? 538 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 2: The Packers are going to have plenty of them. We 539 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: also did hear from the defensive assistant coaches last week, 540 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 2: but we will get into some of their comments on 541 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 2: our next show. For now, we'll call it a rap 542 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 2: on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow 543 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: all of our coverage of the team on packers dot com, 544 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 2: and if you haven't checked it out yet, be sure 545 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 2: to click on Wes's in depth profile of Baron Surrell. 546 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 2: You will not be disappointed for Wes, I am Mike. 547 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in. Everybody, We will see you 548 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 2: next time.