Speaker 1: On the beck Doll Cast, the questions asked if movies
Speaker 1: have women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends
Speaker 1: and husbands or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef
Speaker 1: In best start changing it with the bec Del cast. Hello,
Speaker 1: what up? So I'm trying to recapture our electric live energy.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah. So the episode that you're about
Speaker 1: to hear is an episode that we recorded during a
Speaker 1: live show, our first live show back after over two years.
Speaker 1: It was a blast. It really was. What you're I mean,
Speaker 1: something that you're missing is Yeah, Caitlin gave me a
Speaker 1: lap dance. I had cramps that day, so I didn't
Speaker 1: do much dancing, but I really I tried to enjoy
Speaker 1: the lap dance as best I could. Thank you, I felt,
Speaker 1: I felt, I felt great about it. You were. That's
Speaker 1: no reflection on your skill. You were incredible. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Because the movie was magic Mike,
Speaker 1: and you clicked on it, you you know, come on,
Speaker 1: and we did this whole funny little bit at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the show where you were you came out,
Speaker 1: you were like, oh my gosh, where's Caitlin. When's the
Speaker 1: show going to start smash cut to Pony by genuine playing.
Speaker 1: I come out on stage, I start taking my clothes off,
Speaker 1: I give you a lap dance and I'm like, everyone
Speaker 1: loved it. I mean, I'm I'm I'm giving who with
Speaker 1: my face and my body language, and yeah, it was pretty.
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was electric And that's why
Speaker 1: this is kind of more for for our matrons. But
Speaker 1: that's that's what qualifies us. I think you know, that
Speaker 1: kind of energy and talent is what qualifies us to
Speaker 1: make a Roku original. Uh, this is what's going to
Speaker 1: get us on the slate Roku Original slate because because normally,
Speaker 1: I mean, podcasts are an audio medium, you don't really
Speaker 1: think of any visual thing that's happening. But when you
Speaker 1: come to our live shows, what if the podcasters are hot,
Speaker 1: we're hot, and and we can dance and we give
Speaker 1: a good visual performance, a visual perform. Yeah, of visual. Um,
Speaker 1: it was a really fun show. We hope you enjoy
Speaker 1: the episode. Uh, we had. We had a good time
Speaker 1: visually performing it for you. Yes, but you know, I
Speaker 1: think it will come through on on audio as well,
Speaker 1: and we're hoping to do more live shows in in
Speaker 1: the near future. This was an experiment that I think
Speaker 1: was a huge success, major success. So here's the episode.
Speaker 1: Hope you enjoy. Thank you. I think that was exciting.
Speaker 1: Usually I get naked, right, I know we're doing kinky switch,
Speaker 1: A kinky switch. I'm sorry, emin insult. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Yeah, I'm a virgin. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We're both virgins. So this movie was really confusing. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the back, felt guys, Get up, welcome back. Sorry
Speaker 1: for spilling Mike's heart immediately. That's how you know that
Speaker 1: we're back, because I can't even manage my MIC's heart.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, okay, well, um here we are. Yeah, welcome back,
Speaker 1: Welcome back at the Sunday afternoon. Um, how's everybody doing?
Speaker 1: Does everyone have a drink? Does everyone have peanut eminem's?
Speaker 1: Are we all safe or we all feel like good? Awesome? Awesome?
Speaker 1: I thought someone was holding up peanut eminem so I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, that's about the energy we're gonna
Speaker 1: be bringing to the show. Thanks for coming. My name
Speaker 1: is Caitlin Durante. Yeah, my name is Jamie Loftus and uh,
Speaker 1: this is our this is our podcast. This time you're
Speaker 1: looking at us and we haven't done this in a while.
Speaker 1: We even't what was the last show that we did live?
Speaker 1: Would have been like Valentine's Day, right, I don't even
Speaker 1: remember what it was, Black Swan, New York City. Wow,
Speaker 1: you know it feels like ages ago. Uh. I think
Speaker 1: really has happened since some times not just sort of
Speaker 1: kind of fell off, got pretty lazy. I don't really know.
Speaker 1: I feel very out of practice. I'm stressed out about
Speaker 1: various articles of my clothes being scattered about the audience.
Speaker 1: Everyone they're not gonna steal it. I yeah, we were
Speaker 1: really stressing about Okay, So the whole thing here is
Speaker 1: that we were really stressing about the opening. We changed
Speaker 1: the idea for the opening of this a million times.
Speaker 1: We went to the mall last night looking for taraway
Speaker 1: pants that did not materialize. We don't exist anymore. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. The woman at Dick's Sporting Goods looked at
Speaker 1: me like I had four hundred heads. I was like,
Speaker 1: at Kayleen, you'd had not come to my rescue at all.
Speaker 1: I was like, um, so we're looking for pants that
Speaker 1: have the buttons and you can pull them off and
Speaker 1: she and she was like what And I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, like the and she's like, I know you're
Speaker 1: talking about, but this isn't the right store. I thought
Speaker 1: I could have been the right store. So then we
Speaker 1: just went to the food court and went home and
Speaker 1: so and then we figured this out. And then I
Speaker 1: had these pants but they don't they don't even work.
Speaker 1: They don't work. Before I'm wearing two pairs of underwear
Speaker 1: right now. One of them is a song. I feel
Speaker 1: so uncomfortable. You were, I mean, Caitlin, you you were like,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll wear the song. I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: even want to show my arms, but I did. But
Speaker 1: I did. I wore my Shrek bra. So there's a
Speaker 1: version of this episode where we came out so confident
Speaker 1: that Caitlin was wearing a thong and I took my
Speaker 1: shirt off and was wearing it. It's two pm. It
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna but you know, I was like, everyone's gonna
Speaker 1: be sucked up. You're not fucked up. I've had three
Speaker 1: steps with my car Harden lemonade, and I'm ready to
Speaker 1: pass away. But you know, there's also if anyone at
Speaker 1: any point, I brought one can for the audience, So
Speaker 1: if anyone's like, you know, like vibing. They're like, wait,
Speaker 1: this would be so much better if I felt like
Speaker 1: I had a migraine. Um, that's there, got that. I
Speaker 1: think that's truly my hero's journey is when this podcast started,
Speaker 1: I could drink Mike's hard whatever I want, And now
Speaker 1: it makes me feel like I died six weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I'm impressed with your character arc. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: It is the greatest story of UM, well, welcome, thank
Speaker 1: you for being here. We're happy to be back, you know,
Speaker 1: and we wanted to let you know that we really
Speaker 1: we're gonna do something horny and then we're cowards. Um,
Speaker 1: I beg to differently. That was beautiful. That was to fall.
Speaker 1: Thank you, And that's what you get if you don't
Speaker 1: come to our live shows. And you don't know that
Speaker 1: anyone who's listening at home right now, Sorry you missed out.
Speaker 1: You're just gonna have to imagine it. But don't send
Speaker 1: us any emails about it, because that's it's wild that
Speaker 1: you have to say that, but you really do. Well. Okay.
Speaker 1: Has anyone ever here ever seen the movie Magical Michael? Really,
Speaker 1: that's his Christian stripper name, Magical Michael. I was calling
Speaker 1: this movie so many things in my head. I was
Speaker 1: calling it magical, Michael, I was calling it himbo, billy elegy,
Speaker 1: calling it all sorts of that's the two things. No,
Speaker 1: I love it. Has anyone not seen magic? Mike magic Michel? Oh? Wow? Wow?
Speaker 1: Everyone did start, Oh I miss bullying. The audience was on,
Speaker 1: this is exciting. Um. Has anyone been to a live
Speaker 1: Bectel cash show before? Wow? Oh my gosh, welcome back.
Speaker 1: Has anyone not been? So many newcomers you get to
Speaker 1: see us in the raw, like those little brown sugar packets,
Speaker 1: just so you know, I come out and do a
Speaker 1: strip tease before every live show. Yeah. She did that
Speaker 1: before our Nightmare before Christmas episode, and I was like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem she did. She did. She grinded on
Speaker 1: me for all of What's this? And I was like hell?
Speaker 1: And then I was wearing these same pants. The context
Speaker 1: made no sense, but everyone was getting pretty fucking horn
Speaker 1: I think, and so forth. In my defense, we were
Speaker 1: all asking of that performance of mine, what is this?
Speaker 1: What's this? And answer us Christmas Town. When Caitlin grinds
Speaker 1: on me, which she does all the time, it evokes
Speaker 1: Christmas morning? Sorry, where are we? I? Feel sick. I like, don't.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I spilled Mike's spirit. I haven't done
Speaker 1: that since I was like twenty two. Um, you made
Speaker 1: the hilarious joke backstage, Magic Mike's Hard. I think we
Speaker 1: should just Mike's Hard movie and then an extremely magical
Speaker 1: Michael's Hard movie. Did you? Did you know that there's
Speaker 1: a third movie in development as we speak? No? What
Speaker 1: is it? Is it an all girl reboot, which would
Speaker 1: make magical michaela magical Michelle. I let me check to
Speaker 1: see what it's called. Old. It is called Sorry I
Speaker 1: am dB dot com scholarly journal. I ever heard of it?
Speaker 1: Magic Mike's Last Dance? Does he die? Holy sh it?
Speaker 1: That would actually be so amazing if they killed I
Speaker 1: have all like they do, like a Season one Throne
Speaker 1: Game situation where they're like, we all love Magic Mike,
Speaker 1: but what if he just dropped dead on stage? I
Speaker 1: have dreams like that sometimes, where you're like, you're having
Speaker 1: a heart attack on stage and everyone's like this is
Speaker 1: such an abstract bit, and and then you die and
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, well, I guess I got my eleven
Speaker 1: dollars worth. Well, I doubt he's going to die, but
Speaker 1: we don't know. Um, should we tell the audience what
Speaker 1: the show is? Yeah? Has anyone here ever not listened
Speaker 1: to the by steal cast before I have a I
Speaker 1: have a harpoon gun with me, But feel free to
Speaker 1: let us know if you haven't listened to our little
Speaker 1: podcast on more Wow, listeners, no one raised their hands. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's exciting. We are so popular, So we have to
Speaker 1: tell them. I mean, I guess we do well. The
Speaker 1: listeners at home again, the losers who couldn't be bothered
Speaker 1: to jack asses who didn't have the time to take
Speaker 1: a first class flight to watch me spill Mike's hard
Speaker 1: lemonade while Caitlin grinds on me at two pm. So
Speaker 1: the show is an examination of movies through an intersectional
Speaker 1: feminist lens, using the Bechdel Test as a jumping off point. Jamie,
Speaker 1: tell me what it is well. The Bechdel Test is
Speaker 1: a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdels, sometimes
Speaker 1: called the Bechtel Wallace Test. Lots of versions of this test.
Speaker 1: Our version of the Bechtel test requires that there be
Speaker 1: two characters of a marginalized gender with names who speak
Speaker 1: to each other about something other than a man for
Speaker 1: two lines of dialogue. This movie is complicated in that regarded.
Speaker 1: It's not a perfect metric. Um. But you know, I
Speaker 1: could have had a second female character, you know, but
Speaker 1: you know, you know what, you know what when we
Speaker 1: did the live shows, we want to choose fun movies
Speaker 1: that we don't have a ton of criticisms of. And
Speaker 1: then backstage I was like, but what if we talked
Speaker 1: about semiotics? You know? Um, anyways, it's complicated. That's what
Speaker 1: the show is is that. Okay, uh, thank you. This
Speaker 1: is a hostage situation. So uh, Caitlin, yes, to get
Speaker 1: us started. What is your experience with the film Magical
Speaker 1: Michael two thousand twelve. My history with Magical Michael is
Speaker 1: that it came out the year that I started graduate school,
Speaker 1: where I did go to earn a master's degree in
Speaker 1: screenwriting from Boston University, which absolutely hate to mention, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that you didn't because I'd never talked about it.
Speaker 1: But I didn't see movies that entire two year period
Speaker 1: in the theaters because I just didn't have time so
Speaker 1: busy getting a master's degree. God, what were you you
Speaker 1: were doing? What homework? And classes. Yeah, and a job
Speaker 1: and job and stand up comedy. That's how we metto
Speaker 1: uh love you? Should you like? Okay? Yeah? Are you
Speaker 1: a cocker spaniel? Go nuts? So I didn't see the
Speaker 1: movie in theaters, which is what all this prelude was.
Speaker 1: Is that the right word anyway? Um? So I didn't
Speaker 1: see the movie in theaters, but I saw it like
Speaker 1: a year after, and I saw the sequel as well.
Speaker 1: But I had confused the two and I thought the
Speaker 1: scene where Channing Tatum has sex with a work bench
Speaker 1: was in the first movie. I was wrong. That was
Speaker 1: just a call back to the first movie. It takes
Speaker 1: place in the second movie. So I'm all out of sorts.
Speaker 1: But the point is, I've your humping cannon is all
Speaker 1: fuck up? True truly. But I've seen both movies, but
Speaker 1: they weren't really in my rotation. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Because Magic Michael Magical Michael is a good movie. It's
Speaker 1: a really good movie. I do understand why it may
Speaker 1: not be in anyone's regular rotation. If it is, that's great,
Speaker 1: But if it isn't, it's like more of a bummer
Speaker 1: than you are thinking it's going to be right, Like
Speaker 1: I under because I was like, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a horny fun and I was like, wow, this is
Speaker 1: actually a deep interrogation of the financial crisis, you know,
Speaker 1: like I get why it's like not a movie that
Speaker 1: I would It's interesting because I feel it looks like
Speaker 1: a movie you would want to watch every single day,
Speaker 1: but it's actually like maybe a once a year kind
Speaker 1: of like Wow, yeah, that was a rough point in history.
Speaker 1: It's too bad that they don't know it gets so
Speaker 1: much worse, right, So uh that and I already I
Speaker 1: already had a movie about male strippers in my rotation,
Speaker 1: the Full Monty, So I was like, there can only
Speaker 1: be one. There can be only one, and you know
Speaker 1: that slot had been prejudice against men. But yes, which
Speaker 1: is there should be more of We've been criticized for
Speaker 1: that before and some really carefully. Where did iTunes reviews? Jamie,
Speaker 1: What is your relationship with Magical Michael? I did not
Speaker 1: have a relationship with Magical Michael. This movie came out
Speaker 1: at some point when I was in college. I didn't
Speaker 1: see it, and then I continued to not see it.
Speaker 1: I feel like there is uh I was aware of,
Speaker 1: like there's like a faction of women comics who regularly
Speaker 1: go to see Magic Mike in Vegas. Has anyone ever
Speaker 1: seen Magic Mike in Vegas. It's like there's a live
Speaker 1: male strip show based on this movie, which is kind
Speaker 1: of fucking incredible. It's supposed to be really really fun.
Speaker 1: I know, like that it's a very popular pilgrimage I
Speaker 1: guess to make um but no, I had never seen
Speaker 1: the movie before. I was very excited to see it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to really like lift my
Speaker 1: spirits and make me horny, and it did. But then
Speaker 1: immediately after it reminded me that all the Glitters is
Speaker 1: not gold and that Channing Tatum did not get that
Speaker 1: bank loan and right, so it's I I mean, I
Speaker 1: ended up like really loving and appreciating the movie when
Speaker 1: I was getting ready for this episode, in like ways
Speaker 1: I was not expecting to. I thought I was gonna
Speaker 1: be like uplifted by horny fun, which I us, but
Speaker 1: then I was immediately taken back down by serious problems
Speaker 1: and like I just I really liked this movie. I'm
Speaker 1: very excited to talk about it. At the end, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen the sequel. Sorry, okay, well we'll I didn't
Speaker 1: even rewatch it. For this because I knew, I know
Speaker 1: that we're just going to do a separate episode on it.
Speaker 1: So did they get Okay, no spoilers, but do they
Speaker 1: get hornier or less horny in the second one? I
Speaker 1: truly don't remember what's the hump to come ratio in
Speaker 1: the two who Who's Who's come? Are you like, audience,
Speaker 1: do you say hump to come? Oh? I just been
Speaker 1: strictly on screen. I feel like we can't know off
Speaker 1: screen anyone could be coming. I don't know, it's not
Speaker 1: my business. People come to kind of sucking whatever, you know.
Speaker 1: I misunderstood the question. Um like I'm sitting with like
Speaker 1: a beaker measure belcome when they watch Magic Mike xxel
Speaker 1: I'm a scientist. Um No, I just I just mean
Speaker 1: on screen. I again, I only remember the scene where
Speaker 1: Channing Tatum, the titular magical Magical Michael has sex with
Speaker 1: a workbench too. Does the workbench come? The work bench
Speaker 1: obviously comes, and but that scene pales in comparison to
Speaker 1: the awesome dance I did earlier today. Wow. And then
Speaker 1: for all of your listeners, that's the thing is like
Speaker 1: for the listeners, they could be coming right now, and
Speaker 1: we wouldn't know true. And again I feel the need
Speaker 1: to say, if you are coming, please don't tell us.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So yeah, I don't know who's coming off screen.
Speaker 1: I don't want to know who's coming off screen, and
Speaker 1: that is a universally a applicable law. I will Okay.
Speaker 1: Last thing I'll say before we get into the recap
Speaker 1: is Okay, there's a lot of men in this movie,
Speaker 1: which normally sounds like an accusation, but there is. But
Speaker 1: the two main mikes are Magical Michael and then there's
Speaker 1: Magic Michael Jr. Yes, yes, the Magical Michael Jr. A
Speaker 1: k Adam which every time someone people can't name characters
Speaker 1: Adam anymore because I'm like it was taken by Frankenstein
Speaker 1: and the Bible, but mostly I Frankens. Mostly the Bible
Speaker 1: was actually adapted from my frankenste Oh god, that parton
Speaker 1: I Frankenstein, where the the what is it? Like the
Speaker 1: goblin Queen is talking to Aaron at Cart playing horny Frankenstein.
Speaker 1: No one knows what I'm talking about. Okay. There. What
Speaker 1: I was saying is I wasn't expecting Magical Michael Jr.
Speaker 1: To be in my head. The guy from Beastly right,
Speaker 1: which if you okay, and then I have to unpack
Speaker 1: that now. Beastly was a eleven adaptation of Beauty and
Speaker 1: the Beast starring Vanessa Hudgens and This Guy, in which
Speaker 1: Vanessa Hudgens plays uh, fourteen year old at age fifty
Speaker 1: and uh, this guy who's also five hundred uh plays
Speaker 1: the beast. But he's just like a hot topic, like right,
Speaker 1: I feel like he just has some like facial scarring
Speaker 1: and they're like he's hideous. It's again I party facial
Speaker 1: scarring and he's like, don't look at me. And Vanessa
Speaker 1: is like okay, Like I don't, okay, I have to
Speaker 1: return to something from earlier, the hump to come ratio.
Speaker 1: Are you serious? I was confused by the question because
Speaker 1: to my knowledge, who even comes in the movie? Well,
Speaker 1: the hump toicum ratio can be zero to a hundred.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't. I don't know if we
Speaker 1: see anyone I see. Okay. The other thing is in movies,
Speaker 1: I feel like equals come right. I don't think we
Speaker 1: actually I mean, and I don't think. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is like what a PG thirteen movie. I'm not expecting
Speaker 1: to see fucking ejaculate. Well, like, that's caught. But who
Speaker 1: even goes I don't think Michael j He goes, that's
Speaker 1: that's mail. There's and then there's like, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a whole spectrum of sounds you can make. I'm familiar
Speaker 1: and there's two. All right, we just we have to
Speaker 1: move on. Should I do the recap? Yeah? All right, everyway,
Speaker 1: give it up for Caitlin's famous recap. Yeah. Oh, we've
Speaker 1: already gone way off the rails. What if I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't even remember what happens in this movie because
Speaker 1: I was too busy watching Channing Tatum's arms. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: then we would be like, there's a funny parallel universe
Speaker 1: where this is like this same podcast, but it's really
Speaker 1: girl Boss vibes, where we're like, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: couldn't pay attention due to the pecks, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's like to be I am paying attention to them,
Speaker 1: but but academically, yeah, we have to talk about the
Speaker 1: female scholarly way. I'm looking at his pecks for my job. Alright,
Speaker 1: So here we go. We meet Dallas played by Matthew mcconne. Hey,
Speaker 1: who I'll just interrupt myself right now. I hate him
Speaker 1: so much. This movie would be like better without Dallas
Speaker 1: Ak Matthew McConaughey. Okay, So he is the owner of
Speaker 1: a male strip club in Tampa, Florida. Ever heard of it? Uh?
Speaker 1: We Dampa as a character in the movie, it is
Speaker 1: Do we ever learn the name of the strip club?
Speaker 1: I don't think So they keep like panning up to
Speaker 1: the someone's nodding, Wait, what's the name of the club? Exquisite? Yes, exquisite?
Speaker 1: Sorry we were hitting the emphasis wrong. Thank you so much?
Speaker 1: Would you like some Mike's Hard? I love someone's helping
Speaker 1: me out and I'm punishing them. Um, if anyone does that?
Speaker 1: Does anyone want a small glass of Mike's Hard? I
Speaker 1: have a mango? Wait? I have Okay, Caitlin, you keep recapping,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I have to do something. Okay. So he's
Speaker 1: going over the ground rules of the club and we
Speaker 1: meet Magical Michael. That's Channing Tatum. He has just had
Speaker 1: a threesome with Joanna played by Olivia Munn and some
Speaker 1: other lady whose name they don't remember. So this movie
Speaker 1: was like deliberately like We're not even going to try
Speaker 1: to pass the Bechtel test because we hate giving women names. Um.
Speaker 1: And just in case you had any shred of doubt
Speaker 1: about whether a Channing Tatum character fox he fus uh,
Speaker 1: the movie wants you to know that right away. We
Speaker 1: learned that Magical Michael makes artisanal furniture that um looks
Speaker 1: like shit. Honestly, I'm so ugly, but you know, good
Speaker 1: for his artistic vision or whatever. Um. His dream is
Speaker 1: to sell his pieces for money and for that to
Speaker 1: be his full time job until then he does. He
Speaker 1: has a several other jobs, such as a roofing job
Speaker 1: where he meets Adam played by Alex Adam Frankenstein a
Speaker 1: k a. Magical Michael Jr. A k a. Alex Petty
Speaker 1: for the kid from Beastley. He is nineteen years old.
Speaker 1: He's kind of a mess. He does not have his
Speaker 1: ship together. He's kind of a fun like combination of
Speaker 1: Florida man tropes with angry teenager tropes where they're like,
Speaker 1: he beat up his football coach here, like okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I understand whose character is. Yes, he lives
Speaker 1: with his sister Brooke played by Cody Horn, and she
Speaker 1: is trying to help him get some steady work. That night,
Speaker 1: Adam Frankenstein bumps into Mike, who's outside of a dan club.
Speaker 1: Mike brings him into a strip club, where Adam is
Speaker 1: surprised to learn that Mike is a male stripper, but
Speaker 1: not just a male stripper, the king of the male stripper.
Speaker 1: He like the male stripper. It's really it's kind of
Speaker 1: an exciting reveal where he's like, I'm Jesus. Like, he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not Batman, I'm the Batman starring. I would say,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet? Does he say that? In
Speaker 1: the he points out a picture of Christian Bale and
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm not Batman. He's like, Michael Katon No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not those Batman's I'm the bad anyway. So, um,
Speaker 1: Adam learns that Mike is a male stripper. Dallas gives Adam,
Speaker 1: who everyone starts calling the kid, so he gives the
Speaker 1: kid a k Adam a job doing props for the night.
Speaker 1: At the club, Adam meet the other male strippers, whose
Speaker 1: names are Big Dick, Ritchie, Ken, Tito, and Tarzan. So
Speaker 1: I feel like that is first of all, in every
Speaker 1: friend group, there is one Big Dick Richie, one can,
Speaker 1: one Tito, one Tarzan, and which one are well? Which
Speaker 1: which are you of that? Oh my gosh, um round
Speaker 1: of applause. If you think I'm the big dick Richie
Speaker 1: all right, well that's that. That settles it. So I'm
Speaker 1: big dick Richie, all right. And one of my I'm
Speaker 1: Jamie's obviously Tarzan. Tarzan's Wow, we're kind of like fucking hunks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a big, hulking, hunky kind of Okay, Well, it's
Speaker 1: nice to you know, it's nice to know every once
Speaker 1: in a while. This show has been on for a
Speaker 1: long time. It's just nice to know, like how we're
Speaker 1: perceived by our audience. And so big dick Ritchie Tarzan
Speaker 1: it sounds good. Yes. Yeah. There's also Tobias the DJ,
Speaker 1: who I guess is are like Aristotle. Don't put him
Speaker 1: into the corner. That's not fair. Yeah, I'm kidding obviously. Um,
Speaker 1: but there is a Tobias the DJ, played by Gabriel Iglesias,
Speaker 1: and they're all goofing with Adam. Mike shows him the ropes.
Speaker 1: Then it's time for the show. Okay, So it's pretty exciting.
Speaker 1: It's exciting. They dance, they hump, there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of and then there's a little bit of I kept
Speaker 1: thinking about the chairs in that club and how they
Speaker 1: just like probably have to, like I put the foam
Speaker 1: off the chairs. Every name is that? How come works? Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm a very yes, understandably, someone from the audience said
Speaker 1: foam and they you were right. Um, I'm okay, We're
Speaker 1: gonna sidebar after this? Is that not healthy? No, you're
Speaker 1: you're You're fine, James, Okay. So the whole the whole
Speaker 1: thing is a site to behold, which is what I
Speaker 1: wrote in my notes. Um, very very boomer mom of you.
Speaker 1: That's a boomer mom at any strip club what a
Speaker 1: site to behold. Mike is usually front and center in
Speaker 1: all of this, although we do see different dancers individual acts,
Speaker 1: and then when it's time for Tarzan's act Jamie's act,
Speaker 1: he turns out to be passed out backstage oh so
Speaker 1: well that it feels like targeted and aggressive. So Mike
Speaker 1: throws Adam on stage to fill the spot, and Adam
Speaker 1: sucks at dancing, but Dallas and Mike see his potential,
Speaker 1: so they decide to bring him into the group. The
Speaker 1: next morning, Mike drives Adam home and Mike meets Adam's sister, Brooke,
Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, love interest alert. She's she's doing
Speaker 1: this thing that and I really liked her performance and
Speaker 1: I like this actor, but she's doing this thing where
Speaker 1: it's like very of like I'm awkward, and you're like,
Speaker 1: I know, like, but she's kind of she keeps being like, um,
Speaker 1: I like you know, you're like, okay, I get I
Speaker 1: get it. But she's in like a bikini. She's the
Speaker 1: most gorgeous woman I've ever seen in my life, but
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm awkward. Like, okay, hey we exist. I'm
Speaker 1: kidding in defense of my community. Okay. So Mike has
Speaker 1: met Brooke, and Mike reassures Brook that he will take
Speaker 1: care of Adam. So then Mike takes Adam shopping for
Speaker 1: some stripper apparel, which is also a very boomer mom
Speaker 1: way to stripper. Wow. Okay. Um. I was hoping that
Speaker 1: we would get a shopping montage from men, because we
Speaker 1: always get so many shopping montages from from the gals,
Speaker 1: but um, we never get I would have loved to
Speaker 1: see the kid from Beastley try on a bunch of
Speaker 1: outfits that looked not good. And then Jan channing tatums
Speaker 1: there with like thumbs upper right. Meanwhile, like girls just
Speaker 1: want to have fun is playing. It's like Lizzie McGuire
Speaker 1: s because what I was hoping for. Similarly, I thought
Speaker 1: he was going to get a like haircut type makeover too,
Speaker 1: because he has like a scruffy scruff. He has like
Speaker 1: a haircut that's like a little unkempt. I thought they
Speaker 1: were going to like clean him up. But they're like, no,
Speaker 1: you're you look perfect actually, and they're in they're in Tampa,
Speaker 1: so but yeah, I was the same thing, by the way, um,
Speaker 1: but you can have you know, the facial hair is
Speaker 1: not an issue in that region. Okay. So Adam now
Speaker 1: has all this stripper parel and Brooke discovers it and
Speaker 1: she's like, what the hell is this brother, and he's like,
Speaker 1: it's for work. Um. We cut to Brooke at the
Speaker 1: club where she is watching her brother do a sexy dance,
Speaker 1: looking so contemplative. She's looking at him like do I
Speaker 1: like this? I'm like, right, it's she is watching very attentively,
Speaker 1: and we're like, I I guess there are so many
Speaker 1: ways to support your brother, horny dancing and staring at
Speaker 1: him really hard, just like doesn't feel like the best
Speaker 1: way you can be present without staring at him really hard. Right,
Speaker 1: And also so at this point, Adam has gotten much
Speaker 1: better at dancing. Then she sticks around for Mike's act.
Speaker 1: To be fair, Mike is always popping up around Brooke
Speaker 1: me and like, you should stick around, Like that's kind
Speaker 1: of is thing, Like he's like pratt food. At one point,
Speaker 1: he tells her to stick around her own home. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I think she will, like she lives here, I think
Speaker 1: she will stick around. Um, But when they're at the club,
Speaker 1: he specifically says you should stick around because he knows
Speaker 1: he's about to do the sexy worm how I refer
Speaker 1: to all the Channing Tatum's dancing. Right, So she watches
Speaker 1: him dance to pony By genuine Again, that performance pales
Speaker 1: in comparison to the one I did just a half
Speaker 1: hour ago. But you know, let's round of applause for her.
Speaker 1: Channing Tatum's effort is what you're applauding. But again, it
Speaker 1: sucks compared to mine. Star bage. Yeah, yeah, Zoe Kravitt
Speaker 1: should be dating you are they dating? And Brooks sees
Speaker 1: this and she's like, wow, not as good as Caitlin,
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty impressed still. Then we see Mike try
Speaker 1: to get a loan from a bank to start his
Speaker 1: furniture business, and even though he has cash for a
Speaker 1: down payment, he has bad credit, so they won't give
Speaker 1: him the loan. Then Mike, Adam, and Brooke all go
Speaker 1: to a Fourth of July party. They're becoming such good friends.
Speaker 1: I also wrote that also notes that's also Mike bursts
Speaker 1: into their home at sunrise and it's like, we're going
Speaker 1: to a party, and then you know, she's like it's
Speaker 1: seven am, and he's like, do you want to stick around?
Speaker 1: Like you just climbed through her fucking window? Dude, Like yeah.
Speaker 1: But then she's like, okay, maybe there's something here, you know.
Speaker 1: So they test that saying Steve Bushy burst into your house.
Speaker 1: I mean, like Steve Bushey broke into my home, I
Speaker 1: would let him do anything to me. But I mean
Speaker 1: the idea in general, yeah, yeah, fair. So they go
Speaker 1: to this Fourth July party and Mike and Brooke are
Speaker 1: kind of vibing, but Mike is still he's still fucking
Speaker 1: Joanna here and there, but she's kind of aloof, so
Speaker 1: that doesn't really seem like it's going anywhere. I and
Speaker 1: she also like she's working on her masters, and I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, it's Caitlin. It is me. Caitlin's fucking
Speaker 1: Channing Tatum and she have it either way. That's where yes, okay.
Speaker 1: Dallas then announces that he has bought a club in
Speaker 1: Miami and he's moving the whole operation there from Tampa.
Speaker 1: He says that Mike will make seven and a half
Speaker 1: percent of the profits from this new venture, although Dallas
Speaker 1: originally had promised ten percent. So Mike is like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? Yeah, Mike is very Cheryl sandberging on his
Speaker 1: own behalf for much of this movie, where he is
Speaker 1: and I and and usually when I say Cheryl Sandberg,
Speaker 1: I mean it as a pejorative, but in this case,
Speaker 1: like he's repeatedly trying to be like, no, I want
Speaker 1: the correct amount of money, and no one ever gives
Speaker 1: Mike the correct amount of money. What is true partially
Speaker 1: why this is kind of a tragic move. Anyways, Well,
Speaker 1: we're getting to the part where it gets even sadder, right, So,
Speaker 1: things from this point on start to go down hill
Speaker 1: for pretty much all the characters, starting with at because
Speaker 1: he starts doing drugs which drugs. I don't know, the
Speaker 1: ones that come in party packs there. No, he's doing ecstasy.
Speaker 1: But then they're also like, oh, I don't know. He
Speaker 1: was probably on G, and I was like, what's G? Oh,
Speaker 1: you don't know what G is? Everyone play a longer.
Speaker 1: Caitlin doesn't even know what G is. Loser, We're all
Speaker 1: funked up on G right now. I don't I can't
Speaker 1: wake up without a couple of Stevie hot G. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They have various units of G lying around and G
Speaker 1: units yeah, wow, wow wow, feeling like it's two thousand six. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he starts doing drugs. He also starts selling drugs
Speaker 1: with tobias. Meanwhile, Mike and Brooke continue to vibe. Every
Speaker 1: time you say tobias, I think it's arrested developments tobiasph
Speaker 1: and he's yeah. So Mike and Brooke are vibing still more,
Speaker 1: and he asks if she wants to go get some
Speaker 1: food sometime, and she's like, oh, like on a date
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, I don't know. Well, usually she's
Speaker 1: also dating tall paul Um who sucks and we get
Speaker 1: I thought it was a very fun effective use of dialogue.
Speaker 1: How you find out Tall Paul sucks in a single
Speaker 1: line of dialogue, like he's just sounding like a fucking door,
Speaker 1: Like what does he say? Like he's like he's talking
Speaker 1: about whatever the equivalent of crypto is, and you're just like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm asleep, Like break up with Tall Paul, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he gets dumped. I don't even you know, poor tall Paul.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's a great guy, he's not so. Mike and
Speaker 1: Adam then do a gig at a sorority. Adam gives
Speaker 1: one of the girls an ecstasy pill or maybe it's
Speaker 1: like a unit of g you know, and all of
Speaker 1: the bros at the sorority are like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: did you give my girl ecstasy? And they're like no,
Speaker 1: And then there's like this huge fight. It escalates quickly
Speaker 1: and Mike and Adam have to like get the funk
Speaker 1: out of there, and Adam leaves behind his backpack, which
Speaker 1: is full of the units of drugs that he has
Speaker 1: been selling with Tobias. Nothing gets between a nineteen year
Speaker 1: old boy and his backpack. And that's just a fact.
Speaker 1: Anything that's in the backpack, if it's a nineteen year
Speaker 1: old boy, is not good. It's not good. True. Yeah,
Speaker 1: things continue to spiral out of control, like Mike gets
Speaker 1: in an argument with Dallas, Mike learns that Joanna is engaged.
Speaker 1: Then one night Mike and Adam get all fucked up,
Speaker 1: and then the next morning, Adam is passed out in
Speaker 1: his own vomit. Brooke comes in and freaks out and
Speaker 1: she's like, what did you do to my brother? You
Speaker 1: were supposed to take care of him? And We're like, wow,
Speaker 1: she's being so shrill. That's certainly how much everyone hand there,
Speaker 1: Like why is she's she's being so ridiculous. I'm like,
Speaker 1: her brother is like almost dead, and he's like, chill, Chill.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm maybe not advocating for magical Michael as
Speaker 1: much as the movie wants me to write, Yes, if
Speaker 1: my little brother was. I just god, I kept connecting
Speaker 1: really hard with Brooke in this movie because I have
Speaker 1: a little brother, and I was like, if my brother
Speaker 1: was passed out in a pile of his own vomit
Speaker 1: and some himbo told me to chill, I would fucking
Speaker 1: murder him. I was like, that's my fucking brother. Like
Speaker 1: there's okay. So then some dudes come in and trash
Speaker 1: Mike's place because they're looking for Adam, who turns out
Speaker 1: to have lost way more units of drugs than he
Speaker 1: had said. He of what drugs? What is g don't
Speaker 1: tell her it's great, it's it's wine. I'll figure it
Speaker 1: out by the end. Okay. So Adam owes to Bias
Speaker 1: like ten grand, so Mike, yes, Mike pays off Adam's
Speaker 1: debt with the money he had been saving for his
Speaker 1: furniture business. So we're like, oh no, we can't have
Speaker 1: those ugly ass tables made out of bottles washed up
Speaker 1: on the shore of the fucking ocean. But good for him,
Speaker 1: Good for him. Mike goes to talk to Adam and
Speaker 1: he runs into Brook. They have a very tense conversation
Speaker 1: and she's like, you know what, Miami is just gonna
Speaker 1: be a bigger, batter version of this and I don't
Speaker 1: really believe in you. So nothing gets resolved here yet.
Speaker 1: Then Adam and Mike kind of reconcile. Adam tells Mike
Speaker 1: that he'll pay him back for all of those ten geez.
Speaker 1: That scene is I mean, we'll get back to that.
Speaker 1: That scene was so frustrating to me because that was like,
Speaker 1: Adam is such a I feel I feel for Adam,
Speaker 1: but he's such a fucking mess. In that scene where
Speaker 1: he's like talking to Mike, he's like, yeah, it's all good.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to Miami and everything's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: And you're like, it's not going to be great. You're
Speaker 1: so fucked my man. But but like, hang on to
Speaker 1: this moment, I guess. And then it's the last show
Speaker 1: in Tampa before the big move to Miami, and Mike
Speaker 1: ends up bailing on this show and he goes to
Speaker 1: Brooke and she's like, wow, I heard what you did
Speaker 1: from my brother. And he's like, yeah, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to go to Miami after all. She's like, well for
Speaker 1: She's like, let's smooch and then we'll get breakfast together
Speaker 1: and then he's like oh right, and then they go
Speaker 1: and then they go, and then sorry reversion and uh
Speaker 1: that's the end of the movies. Oh boy, where do
Speaker 1: we want to start with this movie? Do you want
Speaker 1: to start by? Should we paletate clean? Should you grind
Speaker 1: hip me again? Before we kind of get into it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we should do like a little intermission and then everyone
Speaker 1: how is everyone doing with their mikes? Is everyone good?
Speaker 1: Is everyone good? That they're the people who I gave
Speaker 1: mikes are have passed out, Like I feel sick. Everyone's
Speaker 1: good for all, for all the listener. Everyone I gave
Speaker 1: mix hard Lemonade too is alive. And where should we
Speaker 1: start with the discussion of this movie. I think there's
Speaker 1: there's so much more going on in this movie than
Speaker 1: I mean this is. I feel like it's an interesting
Speaker 1: case of because I went back because I didn't see
Speaker 1: this movie when it came out. I was very curious
Speaker 1: about how this movie was marketed because I vaguely remembered
Speaker 1: how it was marketed, and it is marketed not for
Speaker 1: what the movie is. It is not marketed as like,
Speaker 1: uh movie that is like eight about the interpersonal struggles
Speaker 1: of mail strippers. It's marketed as ninety minutes of mail
Speaker 1: strippers dancing, which is kind of I feel like, been
Speaker 1: the legacy of the movie because there's the Vegas Show,
Speaker 1: there's all this stuff, and that's like neither a good
Speaker 1: nor a bad thing. But I just think it's an
Speaker 1: interesting case of like it was very much marketed as
Speaker 1: like horny, horny, horny, fun, fun fun, where the movie
Speaker 1: is like doing doing horny fun but also doing all
Speaker 1: this other stuff that wasn't present in the trailer or
Speaker 1: the marketing or like the magazine covers or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Like you think you're getting ninety minutes of himbos, but
Speaker 1: you're getting himbos and pathos, right, which is the formula
Speaker 1: for any good movie. Yeah, So, I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 1: appreciate the movie for what it is. I think if
Speaker 1: it was just like Himbo's you're saying you wouldn't like it.
Speaker 1: If it was just Himbo's Get a Grip, It would
Speaker 1: have been fun if it was just himbos. But I
Speaker 1: liked that it wasn't right. I mean, well, what the
Speaker 1: what would the plot have been? I mean, you can
Speaker 1: just go to a male strip show if you just
Speaker 1: want to see ninety minutes of himbos, which I have,
Speaker 1: and it costs a lot more than it does to
Speaker 1: see Magic Mike. And that's a good thing because you
Speaker 1: if you're going to a strip show, you're not tipping.
Speaker 1: Well that's not good. Um okay, So what were we
Speaker 1: talking about? Yeah, the marketing, I will say, I think
Speaker 1: there's something to be said for so. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of men have seen this movie, Brave of you, um,
Speaker 1: but I think there is something to be said for
Speaker 1: a movie that has almost an entirely like, I guess
Speaker 1: straight women fan base, because I don't leave bisexual because
Speaker 1: we're a you're absolutely right for it. Sorry, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that was by eraser on my part, and I apologize. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess any gender who likes Channing Tatum, which actually
Speaker 1: really broadens the right. And now we're back to a
Speaker 1: circle any gender and any sexuality who likes Channing Tatum.
Speaker 1: This is the target demo for this movie. So um,
Speaker 1: but you know, in kind of a narrower scope, it's
Speaker 1: like a lot of horny women who are into this movie.
Speaker 1: And uh, I think that's cool. The end of my
Speaker 1: awesome thought awesome thoughts with Caitlin, No, I I think
Speaker 1: I agree. I feel like there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: movies that are catered to corny women who want dick
Speaker 1: like that. That's great. I I love that, and I
Speaker 1: include myself there. Um, brave, thank you so much. You know,
Speaker 1: not a lot of I'm kidding, but I really liked um,
Speaker 1: I mean magical. Michael himself a complex character. I feel
Speaker 1: like there's there's so much going on with him where
Speaker 1: you even before you see him strip I liked how
Speaker 1: I sort of expected him to be stripping right away
Speaker 1: and then it just to be a ninety minute MP
Speaker 1: four Channing Tam stripping. But the context for this movie
Speaker 1: is it's Channing st Channing Stadium. I was Jason Statham
Speaker 1: Channing Tatum. I was making Himbos into one person. Um. No,
Speaker 1: Channing Tatum was a stripper in Florida and was trying
Speaker 1: to make a movie about that experience and was looking
Speaker 1: for a director to shape that with him. He originally
Speaker 1: wanted the director from Drive, Nicholas winding Refn, which would
Speaker 1: have been like a very different movie with way more
Speaker 1: bisexual lighting. Yeah, but ended up like he happened to
Speaker 1: be working with Steven Soderberg at the time. Steven Soderberg
Speaker 1: was like, I could make a movie about Himbos, and
Speaker 1: Channing Tatum, who seems like a very affable person, Like
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, make a movie about Himbo's like and
Speaker 1: um sort of like built out this world that it
Speaker 1: is not like directly autobiographical, because it sounds like the
Speaker 1: men who were in this movie got like a lot
Speaker 1: of say and who their characters were and like building
Speaker 1: out their individual routines and like I guess that the
Speaker 1: guys who play the strippers in the movie got to
Speaker 1: figure out like what their individual act was, which gives
Speaker 1: me a lot of questions about who chose to be
Speaker 1: the Kendall Sure. I mean, I have a lot of
Speaker 1: questions about Tarzan tar I mean, ask me, but I
Speaker 1: like that in that. But most of the movie is
Speaker 1: about kind of like magical Michael's struggle outside of sex work. Um,
Speaker 1: which is interesting, right, I think this movie does because
Speaker 1: we've talked, We've had a number of conversations about sex
Speaker 1: work and specifically stripping on the show with various movies
Speaker 1: we've covered like Hustlers, Zola, even like Coyote, Ugly and uh,
Speaker 1: Full Monty and The Full Monty. Right, So a lot
Speaker 1: of these movies focus on women who are doing sex
Speaker 1: work and stripping, and I feel like, I mean, the
Speaker 1: issues and the scrutiny the sex workers face, I feel
Speaker 1: like disproportionately affect women and non binary Uh sex workers,
Speaker 1: especially those of color and male sex workers often get
Speaker 1: left out of the conversation, but you know, they deserve
Speaker 1: to have their lives be represented on screen. To wow,
Speaker 1: m R A. I would like to distance myself from
Speaker 1: Caitlin at this time as she bravely defends men. But
Speaker 1: I will say though that this movie, unlike others that
Speaker 1: we've covered on the podcast that focus on women in
Speaker 1: sex work, presents the sex work is like far more
Speaker 1: glitzy and glamorous in the way that women don't have
Speaker 1: that same luxury of being presented their work. If that
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, No, I mean, I I mean, we
Speaker 1: can't speak on behalf of men, even though we have
Speaker 1: many times. But I I do think that the way
Speaker 1: that sex work is presented in this movie, it's it's complicated, right,
Speaker 1: because it's not presented as like fully, like this is
Speaker 1: the answer and like this is an extremely empowering is
Speaker 1: presented as a means to an end, which I feel
Speaker 1: like has a lot to do with the time period
Speaker 1: that this movie was made in and takes place in,
Speaker 1: which introduces this like bizarre sub genre that we now have,
Speaker 1: which is like recession sex work. Uh. But this, like
Speaker 1: this and Hustlers very much belong in that like expanded
Speaker 1: universe of like late two thousand's recession um sex work,
Speaker 1: like because that's when Magic Mike was developed, and that's
Speaker 1: I mean, by the time Hustlers came out. It was
Speaker 1: a period piece in that which I hope everyone feels
Speaker 1: elderly hearing that. Um. But in any case, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting the way that male sex
Speaker 1: works are presented in this movie versus women sex workers
Speaker 1: strictly because it's like it's not presented as like it's
Speaker 1: the exact opposite, but it's just like a separate set
Speaker 1: of issues, right, because it's like they are performing masculinity
Speaker 1: for an audience that is foaming at the loins for it,
Speaker 1: and that's great. They're not. There's a lot of issues
Speaker 1: that are shared where it's like the financial issues and like,
Speaker 1: I mean you can almost argue like a gig economy
Speaker 1: style issue of like they're dependent on tips, um and
Speaker 1: other Outside of that, fucking McConaughey has given them fifty
Speaker 1: bucks a night, which is ridiculous, Um in any year
Speaker 1: for someone supporting your in like making your entire business
Speaker 1: is fifty plus tips is just bullshit, right, And so
Speaker 1: there's there are some shared issues, and then there's also
Speaker 1: issues that kind of separate performers where it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like you don't really get the feeling that the the
Speaker 1: magical Michaels this world like, they are not made to
Speaker 1: feel unsafe in the way that we see women. Sex
Speaker 1: workers and marginalized sex workers in general are generally made
Speaker 1: to feel they have problems that are independent of that.
Speaker 1: They're like performing masculinity to this wild extent. And I
Speaker 1: always thought it was like, I don't know, I like
Speaker 1: watch this movie three times to get ready because I
Speaker 1: like to be horny and I like to think about
Speaker 1: class issues. So this movie is like uniquely tuned to
Speaker 1: my interests. UM. But stuff where it's like Channing Tatum
Speaker 1: cannot uh, I can't get it out of the danger
Speaker 1: field zone here, he can't get no respect when but
Speaker 1: like in certain settings where he's like performing manual labor,
Speaker 1: which is like when he's roofing, when he's doing construction work,
Speaker 1: when he's doing all these other side gigs that he's doing,
Speaker 1: which also very much puts him in you know, like
Speaker 1: this age and in the recession specifically, um, he is
Speaker 1: not compensated correctly. He's always having to advocate for himself
Speaker 1: to be compensated well. But when he performs those tasks
Speaker 1: on stage, when he performs as a construction worker, like
Speaker 1: he gets a ton of money, and it's just I
Speaker 1: don't I mean, I don't have a finishing thought. But
Speaker 1: you're just like, maybe we should just all strip our
Speaker 1: job instead of doing them. Yeah, let's strip podcasting. Podcasting
Speaker 1: should be um, eradicated, eradicate should be lal, we do
Speaker 1: have the most embarrassing job, hell show to a screeching halt. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: that and he's unable to get that bank loan, so
Speaker 1: like the man or like you know, the banks and
Speaker 1: that whole those like financial institutions don't respect him or
Speaker 1: and that that's like true for I think sex workers
Speaker 1: across the gender spectrum, where um, he has a stack
Speaker 1: of so much money and they're just like, well, um,
Speaker 1: your credit score sucks because we rely like what even
Speaker 1: is credit? I don't know, but uh, he can't get
Speaker 1: any respect because of that because he says like his
Speaker 1: businesses deal exclusively in cash and right, and then it's
Speaker 1: like he's immediately judged on the hearing of that because
Speaker 1: that has like an implication that the bank loan persons
Speaker 1: is like, well, you're not going to get alone, which
Speaker 1: I feel like the movie plays that off very very well,
Speaker 1: Like that scene with the bank employee, I really like
Speaker 1: I had to watch it back a couple of times
Speaker 1: because it's this combination of like he is being actively
Speaker 1: discriminated against for you know, even implying like that he
Speaker 1: is a sex worker, and then on the other end,
Speaker 1: he also kind of gets like injured by the rejection,
Speaker 1: where where the bank loan person is like, well, there's
Speaker 1: a program that we can help you out with, and
Speaker 1: then I feel like it was like a kind of
Speaker 1: a very masculine response to be like I don't need help, No,
Speaker 1: it's fine, I'm gonna go, and you're like, no, he
Speaker 1: caused her, sweetheart, but your ugly furniture. I like to
Speaker 1: think that he like gives her his business plan or whatever,
Speaker 1: and she was like maybe considering giving him alone, but
Speaker 1: then when she sees his furniture, she's like, um, sorry,
Speaker 1: I cannot give you this loan and has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with a big bank. It's just I don't want
Speaker 1: to support whatever this is. I also, I was like,
Speaker 1: imagine someone who is not to keep dunking on Channing
Speaker 1: Tatum's fictional furniture, but imagine someone who makes furniture that
Speaker 1: looks like that coming into your house and being like
Speaker 1: is this true? From Ikea, and it's like, go funk yourself. Man,
Speaker 1: you're making a fucking like table out of like a
Speaker 1: pane of glass and and five of these, you know,
Speaker 1: like five Mike's hard camps. I'm sorry, yes then audio
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, so um anyways, im Yeah, she is so
Speaker 1: horny for him. At the beginning of that scene though,
Speaker 1: she's like, but that's another I feel like that was
Speaker 1: another thing though. It's like that is like what magical
Speaker 1: Michael Uh kind of reverts to is like I'm very charming,
Speaker 1: Like I can pull people into my gravitational Channing Tatum
Speaker 1: Field very easily. But even that isn't enough to get
Speaker 1: past the discrimination of giving bank loans to someone who
Speaker 1: is giving you all the money that is necessary. But
Speaker 1: because it's all the money that's necessary as a sex worker,
Speaker 1: it's a problem. Right. Yeah. It's also not enough to
Speaker 1: reel in Brooke right or way either. A little bit
Speaker 1: of pride and prejudice energy going on here. She's got
Speaker 1: some prid Do we wanna transition to talking about Brooke?
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Okay, here's my first thought. Okay, ready, yeah,
Speaker 1: I should get in the receiving position. I'm gonna straddle
Speaker 1: you again, are you gonna strab Okay? So, I feel
Speaker 1: like a lot of movies do this where there are
Speaker 1: a number of female characters. There's one main one, and
Speaker 1: then there are a few secondary or tertiary characters, and
Speaker 1: most of the female characters in the movie are presented
Speaker 1: in a way that's not especially empathetic. So take this movie,
Speaker 1: for example, the Olivium one character is you know, aloof
Speaker 1: she's standoffish, she's unavailable, and then she turns out to
Speaker 1: be deceitful because she didn't let him know that she
Speaker 1: was engaged. You have your kind of like quote unquote
Speaker 1: did see women like the two year old to like
Speaker 1: go to the club at the beginning? You have various women,
Speaker 1: but none of them are presented as being like viable
Speaker 1: options for our hero except for one. So I feel
Speaker 1: like that's like a very like screenwriterie like show don't
Speaker 1: tell kind of way of just like flat out saying
Speaker 1: she's not like the other girls. She is better because
Speaker 1: all these other girls kind of suck, right, And and
Speaker 1: that is like, I mean, that fits very cleanly into
Speaker 1: like the Steven Soderberg expanded universe. Also, it's i it
Speaker 1: is kind of like a writing shortcut for a male
Speaker 1: screenwriter that's like, I don't know why this woman is
Speaker 1: a character. They're like, oh, what if she like nags
Speaker 1: him a little bit at the beginning, and instead of
Speaker 1: that playing out as it would in the real world,
Speaker 1: which is him not talking to her anymore, it ends
Speaker 1: up being romantic. I that's I like Brooke as a character.
Speaker 1: I do. I do like her, but there are moments
Speaker 1: in the movie where I wasn't totally sure how we
Speaker 1: were supposed to feel about her, right and especially because
Speaker 1: like Mike mistreats her for different child keeps breaking. I
Speaker 1: will say he's like almost every time they meet, he's
Speaker 1: like kicking the door down, fucking kool aid Man style,
Speaker 1: being like we're going to a party like there, which
Speaker 1: I know, like I think the in the in the
Speaker 1: world of the movie, it's like she needs to get
Speaker 1: out of her show a little bit. She's like, seems
Speaker 1: like she really isolates herself. It's he calls her uptight.
Speaker 1: He's like, she's up to she can't hang She's so
Speaker 1: freaking uptight. It's it's weird to me because it's like,
Speaker 1: I feel like this movie is like a weird situation
Speaker 1: where it's like halfway there where like I like Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: I feel like I understand why she's doing the things
Speaker 1: she's doing, where she's kind of in this bizarre care
Speaker 1: like middling caretaker position for a young adult sibling who
Speaker 1: she can't technically say no to, but who is still
Speaker 1: not mature enough to do fucking anything. The beastly kid
Speaker 1: can't do ship, you know, and like, so she has
Speaker 1: to be his mom, but she can't be his mom
Speaker 1: because he can legally do whatever he wants, and she
Speaker 1: has to support both of them because she has to.
Speaker 1: We don't really know what the situation is with their parents,
Speaker 1: but like it seems like she is kind of his
Speaker 1: primary caretaker and that he certainly can't take care of himself,
Speaker 1: and so you understand like why It's like, yeah, she
Speaker 1: doesn't have time to go out a lot, like, but
Speaker 1: it seems it seems like the movie understands that in
Speaker 1: some scenes, and then in other scenes that kind of
Speaker 1: like paints her as like a character who is uptight,
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, when is she going to find
Speaker 1: the fucking time to be a horny little slut? You know,
Speaker 1: there's only so many hours in the day if there
Speaker 1: were more hours in the day, maybe more of us
Speaker 1: would be horni or little or sluts. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Profound wow, thank you March forth coming. So yeah, he
Speaker 1: Mike's flirtation tactic is just to be very pushy. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't hate all of their interactions, but he is
Speaker 1: not being very cool to her a lot of the time,
Speaker 1: especially in that scene where we already referenced this, but
Speaker 1: Adam is like passed out face first in his own vomit.
Speaker 1: A pig is eating and so gross. I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: a woman with a little pig before Ariana Grande, I
Speaker 1: didn't know what happened. I thought Ariana Grande invented having
Speaker 1: a little pig as a personality. But there was this
Speaker 1: character in Magic Mike. Yes, uh Nora is that her
Speaker 1: name doesn't seem like the name of a young character,
Speaker 1: but yes, right anyway, so yeah, and she's another female
Speaker 1: character who were like, oh no, she's almost like a
Speaker 1: fem fatalel for a Adam because she's giving him g
Speaker 1: units every day. I can't hear you say gee, and
Speaker 1: it's it's so funny. So anyway, Um, there's a scene
Speaker 1: where Brooke comes in. She's very reasonably upset, especially after
Speaker 1: Mike had promised to take care of her brother, especially
Speaker 1: after he had like kind of roped him into this
Speaker 1: job that she and there's a whole other conversation to
Speaker 1: be had about her views on sex work, but um,
Speaker 1: the point is Adam is like, maybe oh deed and dead,
Speaker 1: and she's upset about it, and he's like, why are
Speaker 1: you so upset? Why why don't he say? He tells her,
Speaker 1: but he says, calm down, you need to relax, and
Speaker 1: then he says, you're acting crazy right now. And then
Speaker 1: he's also kind of like man handling her throughout this
Speaker 1: scene because she's trying to help her brother and he
Speaker 1: keeps pulling her off of him. And then there's the
Speaker 1: her being like disapproving of his lifestyle a k. She's
Speaker 1: not very tolerant of the sex work that he's doing.
Speaker 1: To the movie's credit, he does, you know, try to explain,
Speaker 1: like there are other facets of my person. Uh there, yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying, Like, I mean this this
Speaker 1: all feels done for me. It was done pretty self
Speaker 1: like in a in a self aware way by the
Speaker 1: movie of like this is a like because there are
Speaker 1: I'm sure, especially you know, ten years ago, like there,
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're a lot of people in the audience
Speaker 1: who would connect with like, I don't understand sex work
Speaker 1: or sex workers, and I'm like, passing this judgment that
Speaker 1: is not necessary, and to see a character go from
Speaker 1: point A to point Z on that subject may have
Speaker 1: been helpful because it feels like the movie, at least
Speaker 1: going in, is aware of that. And I like, I
Speaker 1: caught this movie a lot of slack in that it
Speaker 1: was conceived and made as a way of helping people
Speaker 1: who do not understand sex work or respect it for
Speaker 1: the work that it very much is and should be
Speaker 1: respected as to recognize that, and I feel like that
Speaker 1: is like it feels like kind of the mission of
Speaker 1: the movie to humanize sex workers while also like making
Speaker 1: it clear that like this is fucking work, you know. Yes.
Speaker 1: But the thing with Brooke is that she doesn't agree
Speaker 1: to be with him and smooch him until he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm actually not going to go to Miami after all,
Speaker 1: and she's like, so it's not totally clear the extent
Speaker 1: of her disapproval, like the extent to which that affects
Speaker 1: Mike's decision to not go, but it seems like he
Speaker 1: really wants to be with her, especially after she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're such a loser because you're a thirty year old stripper,
Speaker 1: and then he's like, oh my god, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be a thirty year old stripper. Oh, no, strippers
Speaker 1: are like cool. So it feels as though that affects
Speaker 1: his decision to not go to Miami and basically not
Speaker 1: pursue stripping anymore, because she's like, well, what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do then, and she's like, well, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'll just go eat some breakfast or something, And well,
Speaker 1: I think that that is though that is like complicated
Speaker 1: by the other stuff going on in Mike's life, which
Speaker 1: is like why this movie is like, it's tricky. You
Speaker 1: don't know exactly. It's a combination of factors because I
Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying of I don't think that
Speaker 1: the trajectory of her understanding and respecting sex work gets
Speaker 1: where it needs to be, and it feels like dated
Speaker 1: in that aspect. And then you also see this like
Speaker 1: it feels like this very like recession based issue of
Speaker 1: another like there are a couple of different reasons why
Speaker 1: Mike leaves the club, and I'm not even convinced, and
Speaker 1: if I don't know what happens in the second Magic Mike,
Speaker 1: I wasn't even convinced that he was going to leave
Speaker 1: sex Work entirely. My understanding was, like, he's leaving this
Speaker 1: club because Matthew McConaughey is a fucking asshole who won't
Speaker 1: pay him what he's worth, and like there's this whole
Speaker 1: whatever like mirror aspect where he's looking at the kid
Speaker 1: from Beastly and the kid for Beastly as a younger
Speaker 1: version of himself. That's kind of like self destructing. And
Speaker 1: in spite of the fact that I think Brooke naively said,
Speaker 1: like this one guy is going to that I don't
Speaker 1: really know is going to protect my brother from all
Speaker 1: of this ship, all the units of G, every single
Speaker 1: G in the world. Like you can't just be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I met a hot guy, so my brother is safe forever.
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of on her for assuming that that
Speaker 1: would be true. But there's a number of factors that
Speaker 1: gets Mike out of this club specifically, And I guess
Speaker 1: I didn't view it as like he was leaving sex
Speaker 1: Work forever. I viewed it as like he's leaving this
Speaker 1: toxic situation because Matthew McConaughey and his ridiculous fucking hat
Speaker 1: won't give him ten percent, and like he's ever going
Speaker 1: to get the equity he's been promised in the situation
Speaker 1: that he's in, and even like his protege is kind
Speaker 1: of turning his back on him, and so it's kind
Speaker 1: of like, fuck it. I thought it was like empowering
Speaker 1: that Mike left that toxic situation, but also that can
Speaker 1: be read as he's leaving sex work because he wants
Speaker 1: to be with this girl. So it's like it's a
Speaker 1: it's a I don't know. I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of ways too ambiguous on something that needs to
Speaker 1: be pretty explicitly clear, especially because like he even says
Speaker 1: during one of the scenes at the end, he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, I don't want to be a forty year
Speaker 1: old stripper in Miami, as if like being a four
Speaker 1: year old stripper would be pathetic for him. So I
Speaker 1: think that we're supposed to believe that he's like in
Speaker 1: the process of coming around on sex work and he's
Speaker 1: going to really make this ugly as furniture, and that's
Speaker 1: what Brooke would approve of, so and I um bravely
Speaker 1: did some research and found some accounts from real life
Speaker 1: mail strippers who did criticize the end of this movie
Speaker 1: because they interpret it as Mike giving up stripping because
Speaker 1: his new girlfriend didn't approve of it. And they were like,
Speaker 1: a lot of mail strippers have families, and they do
Speaker 1: it well into their forties and later, and it's not
Speaker 1: shameful for me, or it's not embarrassing. They said that
Speaker 1: they do it because they love entertaining and they love
Speaker 1: dancing so well. They were not pleased with how this
Speaker 1: the end of this movie pans out, because it does
Speaker 1: seem to kind of come down on the side of like,
Speaker 1: sex work is something that you can do for a
Speaker 1: little while while you're young, but it's just sort of
Speaker 1: a stepping stone to quote unquote more serious work. And
Speaker 1: that kind of like gets into another thing that I
Speaker 1: think we need to talk about for this movie, which
Speaker 1: is that I feel like that issue could have been
Speaker 1: more clearly addressed outside of Mike's character if we knew
Speaker 1: the other dancers a little better, because I thought it
Speaker 1: was kind of bizarre where I don't know where I
Speaker 1: got this notion from but I sort of came in
Speaker 1: with the notion that we were going to get the
Speaker 1: entire cast story kind of kind of like in the
Speaker 1: full Monty right like it was. It was just like
Speaker 1: I thought we were going to kind of get to
Speaker 1: know everybody, which the movie kind of vaguely tries to do,
Speaker 1: but in a very unsatisfactory way where sometimes you'll learn,
Speaker 1: like you learn one or two things about every stripper
Speaker 1: that isn't Mike or Adam, but it's mostly in passing
Speaker 1: lines of dialogue. The strippers are majority white. The strippers
Speaker 1: who aren't white, it's repeatedly pointed out that they aren't white,
Speaker 1: and and it's like you don't get like, I feel
Speaker 1: like there is an opportunity to represent a wider spectrum
Speaker 1: of male strippers through the six or seven or eight
Speaker 1: guys that are on the poster of the movie, but
Speaker 1: you really only get to know two of them, and
Speaker 1: they fall into this very narrow like I only want
Speaker 1: to be a stripper for a certain amount of time,
Speaker 1: which is okay, but it's like there is such like
Speaker 1: you're saying, like there's such a wide variety of experience
Speaker 1: in stripping an insects work in general that it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you need to show more if you're trying to make
Speaker 1: the male stripper movie, which was already done in the
Speaker 1: full monty So but but but I mean I I
Speaker 1: I was kind of frustrated with how the rest of
Speaker 1: the cast was like kind of neglected in the process
Speaker 1: of how this movie went, because you found out certain
Speaker 1: things about them, but they're all very vague. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy's a little spiritual, this guy like sewing, and
Speaker 1: it all feels like, oh, this is like sure, like
Speaker 1: that's that's fun character stuff. But like do I remember
Speaker 1: what their name is? Do I really know anything about them? Like, no,
Speaker 1: you don't. I think you only the only thing you
Speaker 1: learned about Ken is that his wife's breasts, his wife's
Speaker 1: his wife's are really cool, which is a fine fact,
Speaker 1: but maybe not the first and only one to know,
Speaker 1: Like that's correct, it's yeah. So I feel like there
Speaker 1: was a missed opportunity to represent a wider spectrum of
Speaker 1: experience in the cast of the movie that's already there
Speaker 1: and like played by like very popular, like well regarded.
Speaker 1: When I saw some of the actors that were cast
Speaker 1: as the other male strippers, I was like, Oh, everyone's
Speaker 1: gonna get a story. These are all pretty famous actors,
Speaker 1: and like it was just magical Michael. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: if you thought you were gonna get any information about
Speaker 1: Joe Mangeliollo, what is his name do Maginello? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I know he's in things that is matt. Uh. Someone
Speaker 1: isn't watching procedurals, She's or soap operas fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1: It's true. Tito is played by Adam Rodriguez. Tarzan is
Speaker 1: played by Kevin Nash. Yeah, we really learned nothing about
Speaker 1: any of those characters. But it would have been a
Speaker 1: nice opportunity to for a movie that seems to want
Speaker 1: to characterize and humanize sex workers, especially because there's such
Speaker 1: a problem with sex workers in media not being humanized.
Speaker 1: Uh that this would have been a nice opportunity to
Speaker 1: give us information about more than Magical Michael and Magical
Speaker 1: Michael Jr. But the movie opts not to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which side? And it is, like, like you were saying earlier,
Speaker 1: centering this very I feel like more marketable view of
Speaker 1: stripping in general, but but male strippers and specific of like, well,
Speaker 1: this is temporary and I actually want to do something else.
Speaker 1: Like there's no character that's presented. Is like, this is
Speaker 1: my chosen career and I'm very happy doing it, which
Speaker 1: should be a perspective that is presented because it, like,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, like it, it is very much something
Speaker 1: that exists and isn't represented. And speaking of one of
Speaker 1: my main complaints about the movie is that there's not
Speaker 1: enough nudity. Anyone else agree? You have to see butt
Speaker 1: entities right away? Yes, however, okay, but I'm an insult.
Speaker 1: I feel like we see more female nudity in this
Speaker 1: be about male strippers, which is confusing. You basically see
Speaker 1: a few bare asses of men and you see a silhouette.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you do see big Dick Ritchie's penis in
Speaker 1: a penis enlarging device. What are those called? I would
Speaker 1: say that's pretty nude, that's pretty dude. Um, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like a disembodied penis. You know. This is a
Speaker 1: very specific complaint, but I was just I was kind
Speaker 1: of curious about this, and it turns out that the
Speaker 1: shows that you see in this movie are closer to
Speaker 1: male reviews than male strip shows, right. I for one,
Speaker 1: did not really know about this distinction until I was
Speaker 1: researching this for this episode, I just outed myself as
Speaker 1: very much knowing that distinction, but for anyone else who
Speaker 1: didn't know. So, Basically, male review shows or male reviews
Speaker 1: have the more kind of like choreographed dancing than a
Speaker 1: mail strip show. There's a lot more like costume changes
Speaker 1: like we see in this movie. There's also like a
Speaker 1: show that starts at a specific time and then ends
Speaker 1: ninety minutes later, much like a live episode of the
Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. We're running out of time, we actually are,
Speaker 1: we do need to wrap up soon. But um, there's
Speaker 1: all these and then also the big thing is that
Speaker 1: the lack of right, there's a there's a noticeable lack
Speaker 1: of bare pieces. Okay, but that opens a whole Pandora's
Speaker 1: box of Like I I don't think we can like
Speaker 1: pin this on the movie in particular, because that is
Speaker 1: the rating system that is like and that's why I
Speaker 1: feel like the only way you can see Baar Dick
Speaker 1: is if you've got an HBO Max subscription when you're
Speaker 1: watching the Kids that eu Fouria high. Why are there
Speaker 1: Alblemre's plenty of places see dicks in this world, but
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say in a movie aspect, I don't think
Speaker 1: we can like put that on Magic Mike specifically. I
Speaker 1: would hope that they would have showed us dick if
Speaker 1: they could have, but because they like you can only
Speaker 1: that's like a general issue with movie ratings. It's like
Speaker 1: you can show way more of a woman's body than
Speaker 1: you can. It's just like a problem that existed for
Speaker 1: a very long time. And so that's I feel like
Speaker 1: why TV has sort of taken taken the lead on
Speaker 1: showing dick. Um And that's my that's my s in
Speaker 1: this essay, I will tell you why there's so much
Speaker 1: more dick on it and at Euphoria High School than
Speaker 1: there isn't Magic Mike, because you would think and it
Speaker 1: should be the opposite. Uh But but yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think that it's like, even if a major movie
Speaker 1: wanted to show dick, there's like not a lot of
Speaker 1: ways to do it because of how that very antiquated
Speaker 1: structure is made. For sure, yes, so I withdraw my complaint,
Speaker 1: But wouldn't it be great to see like the dick
Speaker 1: cut kind of like the sorry sorry, there had to
Speaker 1: have been a better way. Someone's gonna pull that out
Speaker 1: of context, and my life's going to be fucking over.
Speaker 1: There's so many ways to interpret it too. It's like
Speaker 1: we're talking about circumcision. Um yes, and that. Yeah, correct,
Speaker 1: that's what I was saying. No, but like the the
Speaker 1: butthole cut of Cats, the dick cut of Magical, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able to release the throbbing butthole cut
Speaker 1: of Cats in theaters to general audiences in the same
Speaker 1: way that you wouldn't have been able to But but
Speaker 1: then there there is a lot of like gendered implications
Speaker 1: there because there are I mean, and we've had this
Speaker 1: talk on the show before, how the rating system is
Speaker 1: generally like you can show brutalization towards women the entire
Speaker 1: fucking movie and get a PG thirteen rating, but dare
Speaker 1: we showed just the tip and and we cannot know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it is like a big systemic movie problem. Yes, Indeed,
Speaker 1: the things that I actually have complaints about are these.
Speaker 1: Uh so, there are some very like twenty twelve things
Speaker 1: that are said or done in the movie that go
Speaker 1: completely unchallenged by the movie. I think one of the
Speaker 1: most egregious ones is a few moments of like quote
Speaker 1: unquote no homo where there's a scene where Dallas is
Speaker 1: teaching Adam how to dance and he makes a like
Speaker 1: no homo comment, using a slur in. He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to fuck you or anything. This is just
Speaker 1: what I'm teaching how to dance so you can make money. UM,
Speaker 1: I think what's your boss? Should never have to say
Speaker 1: to you for anyone listening. He was like, my boss
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. To me? Is that okay? No?
Speaker 1: Probably not right? Um. The thing is that, like, I
Speaker 1: believe that character of Dallas would have said something like that,
Speaker 1: but again, the movie nor any of the other characters
Speaker 1: challenges that attitude. There's another scene where Brooke finds all
Speaker 1: of Adam's thongs and she very abrasively is like, what
Speaker 1: the funk is going on? Get out here, I need
Speaker 1: to talk to you. He's in the bathroom. He might
Speaker 1: be taking a poo, but she's like, get out here
Speaker 1: right now. I have to talk to you about your thongs.
Speaker 1: And then she's like stop taking stop that ship right now.
Speaker 1: You better cut that log boy because I hate that.
Speaker 1: And now she's like, you can't do that with your ass.
Speaker 1: Though she's like she's like, I don't care what your
Speaker 1: preferences are but also get the funk out here, because
Speaker 1: it's gross that you I think you might be gay.
Speaker 1: And then he's like, no, it's just for work, and
Speaker 1: she's like I never followed up. Like that's the thing
Speaker 1: where it's like that it's frustrating because it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's like the worst thing in the world
Speaker 1: to present that someone in his life would feel that way.
Speaker 1: But you have to come full circle on that narrative
Speaker 1: of like she was explicitly wrong to have made that
Speaker 1: judgment and bear that out. But instead it's like she
Speaker 1: makes the judgment, it's kind of played for laughs, and
Speaker 1: then it's like not really referenced explicitly. Again, there's no apology,
Speaker 1: there's no like, there's no you know, it all becomes
Speaker 1: this kind of murky mess. And then at the end
Speaker 1: of the movie, she still does not approve of the
Speaker 1: work they're doing. And then Mike Michael Magic, Michael Common,
Speaker 1: Michael come a magical Uh quits his job basically because
Speaker 1: of it. And again, like I imagine that that is
Speaker 1: like common for like the scrutiny that male strippers and
Speaker 1: sex workers and sex workers of all gender's face. But
Speaker 1: again the movie doesn't actually really comment on it. Um
Speaker 1: there's a quick conversation between Mike and Adam where they're
Speaker 1: in the club early on they clock these two young women,
Speaker 1: one of them is just turned twenty one, and Mike
Speaker 1: is like, go talk to that girl, and Adam says,
Speaker 1: she doesn't look like she wants to be bothered. And
Speaker 1: then Mike is like, look at what she's wearing. She
Speaker 1: came here tonight to be bothered. Mike does it like that,
Speaker 1: Like there, I know that we're supposed to be like Michael,
Speaker 1: he's so magical, but like he does do some misogynist ship.
Speaker 1: He's bursting into your house like the cool man he's
Speaker 1: He's saying like, well, she's wearing a dress, she probably
Speaker 1: wants to be harassed. And then and then the way
Speaker 1: that the script plays out is like it endorses magical
Speaker 1: Michael's p o v of like the women. That was
Speaker 1: always kind of frustrating where it seemed like in some
Speaker 1: areas of the script, Mike's perspective was kind of challenged
Speaker 1: and moved forward. But in Whenever, he's like judging a
Speaker 1: woman based on what he thinks he's observing from a distance.
Speaker 1: In the script, it always bears out that he was right,
Speaker 1: with the exception of Brooke, which falls into the not
Speaker 1: like the other girls saying you were talking about earlier,
Speaker 1: where it's like with this girl who's turning, he's like,
Speaker 1: oh no, she wants to be harassed. She came here
Speaker 1: to be harassed. And then when the kid from Beastly
Speaker 1: goes up and it's like, like, like whatever he says
Speaker 1: to her, she's like wow, oh my god, Like you know,
Speaker 1: like in a way that it's like if someone came
Speaker 1: up to me when I was twenty one and said
Speaker 1: I was in Beastly, yeah, I would be like, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen that. Cool. Yeah, I'm not like other girls.
Speaker 1: I didn't see Beastly in theaters. Um. The last thing
Speaker 1: here is that there's an instance of body shaming where
Speaker 1: there's a part of the movie where Big Dick Ritchie
Speaker 1: me is that how we decided I was, I can't remember, so,
Speaker 1: but this behavior does not exemplify anything I would ever do.
Speaker 1: He picks up a fuller figured woman and then immediately
Speaker 1: his back is injured and he has to walk off stage,
Speaker 1: and it's like also played for laughs, and the movie
Speaker 1: doesn't challenge that in any way. And it just shames
Speaker 1: this nameless woman. So yeah, it did come out in
Speaker 1: is the conclusion that I would like to draw very much.
Speaker 1: Did did you have anything else you wanted to talk about? Um?
Speaker 1: I think in general, I mean I think, going off
Speaker 1: the stuff, it just seems like there were some missed
Speaker 1: opportunities in this movie that maybe we're addressed in the sequel.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Magic Mike's Last Dance. It might just
Speaker 1: be a really long funeral movie. I don't know, or
Speaker 1: maybe it's a resurrection story. It starts at Magical Michael's
Speaker 1: funeral and then he's like whoa, and he's like, I've
Speaker 1: last dance. I'm available to direct that. But anyways, it
Speaker 1: just felt like this this movie was it. We talked
Speaker 1: about this all the time, but like movies of this
Speaker 1: era specifically, it feels like a stepping stone towards more inclusive,
Speaker 1: better movies, where this movie I think does show a
Speaker 1: lot of empathy towards its characters in a way that
Speaker 1: sex workers in general and and male sex workers are
Speaker 1: not generally shown. UM. I wish that there were more
Speaker 1: movies about women sex workers and marginalized sex workers. Who
Speaker 1: are you know, dealing with ship that is much more
Speaker 1: immediately dangerous than what Magical Michael is dealing with, which
Speaker 1: also is really difficult. Like there's just there's not enough
Speaker 1: movies about sex work in general that present sex workers
Speaker 1: as people, you know, and this movie I think is
Speaker 1: definitely a stepping stone towards that and also doesn't get
Speaker 1: into the realm of tragedy porn where I feel like
Speaker 1: that's another risk that you run um where it's like
Speaker 1: it is still a fun movie. It's all I mean,
Speaker 1: there's such a horny legacy with this horn what is
Speaker 1: that we should enter that into our vocabulary horny legacy, tone, poem,
Speaker 1: what else? This movie has a lot of horny death,
Speaker 1: horny depths, horny and but then a horny depth can
Speaker 1: turn into a horny legacy over time. True, it feels
Speaker 1: like a step in the right direction, but ultimately, like
Speaker 1: we've been talking about, like it does calm down on
Speaker 1: this bizarrely conservative end of like, well, only by you know,
Speaker 1: giving up sex work was he able to find true
Speaker 1: happiness And and also in that way, even like the
Speaker 1: way that we haven't really talked about how Adam's storyline ends,
Speaker 1: but the storyline with Adam ends where he's completely had
Speaker 1: his ass saved by Magical Michael, who's given up his
Speaker 1: life savings to save his ass, and then responds by
Speaker 1: being like thanks Mike, that was really cool, and then
Speaker 1: immediately taking Mike's job and then being like, well, I
Speaker 1: guess I'm Mike now. Like again, it's like a Santa
Speaker 1: Claus situation, almost like he killed Magic Mike and now
Speaker 1: he's Magic Mike. He right, He like took all of
Speaker 1: Magic Mike's money and now he's Magic Mike. I feel
Speaker 1: like that way maybe a little undersavened by the story,
Speaker 1: but like even even that, I've like the way that
Speaker 1: his arc ends ends up kind of depicting his profession
Speaker 1: in a bad light of like by him staying in
Speaker 1: stripping in sex work that makes him a bad person,
Speaker 1: where it's like, no, what makes him a shitty person
Speaker 1: is that he took all of Magic Mike's money and
Speaker 1: then Santa claused him, Like that's the bad thing. But
Speaker 1: I don't know how much this movie is interested in
Speaker 1: the kind of like making that separation right. I will
Speaker 1: say though, that I did appreciate that this movie largely
Speaker 1: centered a male friendship, even though every movie ever made
Speaker 1: is about men, so few of them actually like explore
Speaker 1: in an interesting way. Yes, Jamie, I'm just saying it
Speaker 1: does kind of fall into the fathers and sons troup
Speaker 1: where there's so many father's son but but but in
Speaker 1: this movie it does work there. Yeah, I mean we
Speaker 1: have sort of like a mentor daddy figure. There's so
Speaker 1: many daddies in this movie. Come on and like Matthew
Speaker 1: McConaughey is Channing Tatum's daddy. But he's a grand bad
Speaker 1: dad Daddy. He's a bad daddy. We don't like him.
Speaker 1: This daddy has too much money. We gotta get this
Speaker 1: daddy out of here. And then Channing Tatum good daddy
Speaker 1: kid from beastly. We don't not not a daddy yet,
Speaker 1: aspiring daddy. He's he's not yet a daddy still a son.
Speaker 1: Got a fucking human centipede of daddy's Some good, some bad, uh.
Speaker 1: For some reason in this movie it worked for me. Generally,
Speaker 1: I'm like enough with the daddies, But in this movie
Speaker 1: there is a the spectrum of daddy's is on display.
Speaker 1: There's good daddies, there's bad daddies, there's morally ambiguous daddies.
Speaker 1: The point is I appreciate that this movie explored male
Speaker 1: friendship in a way that was fairly nuanced and interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially because by the end it's like, are
Speaker 1: they even going to be friends anymore? I mean, knows
Speaker 1: him a bunch of money, but it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: weird Thanksgiving because he's dating his sister. But yes, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: I think that's all I had. Well, then let's get
Speaker 1: into the reason that people think they listened to this
Speaker 1: show sometimes, which is does it pass the bactest? That
Speaker 1: is again, we've talked about this so many times, but
Speaker 1: it's my favorite way to find out that someone is
Speaker 1: lying about listening to the show, where they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love finding out if it passed the bacon from
Speaker 1: like do you think? We just go through the script
Speaker 1: line by line and be like, m does that pass?
Speaker 1: I guess not not that one. That would be fun, though,
Speaker 1: turn the page. Let's see if this one does this
Speaker 1: movie past test. I don't think so, because Joanna and
Speaker 1: Brooke do talk to each other about swimsuits and tattoos.
Speaker 1: But but magical Michael is right there and like interjecting, yeah,
Speaker 1: I I saw that as well, and I and and
Speaker 1: the whole sub text of that conversation is Joanna is
Speaker 1: trying to get the vibe of like, is she going
Speaker 1: to fuck me and Magical Michael because they're always looking
Speaker 1: for a third which I did appreciate that was presented
Speaker 1: very matter of factually the movie, where like Joanna and
Speaker 1: Mike have been hooking up for a while, they're always
Speaker 1: looking for a third and there, and that's just like
Speaker 1: who they are. They're very different people. They have the
Speaker 1: same interest and that's what they want. Magical Michael wants.
Speaker 1: He wants to be a wife guy. That's his business whatever.
Speaker 1: But I did like that Joanna was presented as like
Speaker 1: a fully fleshed out character who just like, this is
Speaker 1: something she wants to do. But the subtext of that
Speaker 1: whole conversation is that she's like Army and Mike gonna
Speaker 1: fuck this girl, and so yeah, I don't think that
Speaker 1: is Also a third that they could have brought in
Speaker 1: is her fiance that she who seems to very much
Speaker 1: know what's I was so confused about the fiance scene
Speaker 1: because the fiance was sort of like should I get
Speaker 1: out of here? I'm like, this guy is so fucking
Speaker 1: chip right, what is it? He was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go look at he's he literally just like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go look in the mirror. So it almost implies that
Speaker 1: they are in an open relationship, which makes it weird
Speaker 1: that Joanna wouldn't have told Mike that. And I wish
Speaker 1: we kind of got a landing place there because I
Speaker 1: didn't dislike the Joanna character. I didn't feel like she
Speaker 1: was made out to be a villain, except for the
Speaker 1: fact that her storyline ended so abruptly that you feel
Speaker 1: like you didn't get closure with her because it was
Speaker 1: clear that like she was conflicted on how she felt
Speaker 1: about Mike. It seems like she and Mike wanted different things.
Speaker 1: I feel like it was kind of unique and that
Speaker 1: you usually see, like in big movies, that the woman
Speaker 1: in a heterosexual relationship really wants something more and that
Speaker 1: the man doesn't. It was clear in this situation that
Speaker 1: Mike wanted more than Joanna was willing to give. But
Speaker 1: then it was like it just sort of stopped when
Speaker 1: it was like this random hot guy was like, I
Speaker 1: better get out of here, and then then that was
Speaker 1: just kind of that was just kind of the end
Speaker 1: of the story for him. Um, but I liked her
Speaker 1: story in general. I like to think that there was
Speaker 1: a final scene that got cut or something, because it
Speaker 1: just felt kind of abrupt. Same. Anyways, it doesn't pass
Speaker 1: the Bactle test. Sorry, but how about that nipple scale
Speaker 1: of oursot it zero to five nipples based on an
Speaker 1: examination of the movie through an intersectional feminist lens M.
Speaker 1: This movie made me horny. Five nipples and that's our show.
Speaker 1: Thanks for corret I I would say, like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess two and a half. I do appreciate that
Speaker 1: this movie attempts to humanize sex work, even though it
Speaker 1: is about men boo and uh, predominantly white men. But
Speaker 1: I think that there's enough. I don't know, it's it's
Speaker 1: just one of those like split down the middle things
Speaker 1: where it is doing some cool, subversive, interesting things and
Speaker 1: is also adhering to some other problematic tropes of the time.
Speaker 1: Two and a half nipples. I'll give one two Brooke,
Speaker 1: I'll give one. No, actually no, I don't take it
Speaker 1: back hate women. I don't like that she was all like,
Speaker 1: sex work is gross, uh and you can't kiss me
Speaker 1: until you quit. I'm gonna give one to the pig
Speaker 1: who eats vomit. I'm going to give the other nipple
Speaker 1: to the vomit. No, I don't know, two and a
Speaker 1: half nipples to the pig the end I'll do I'll
Speaker 1: do three. I think I like this movie a lot.
Speaker 1: It's certainly made me. I didn't even know if it
Speaker 1: maybe horny. There's something about like there's I this is
Speaker 1: a personal thing, but like there's a threshold when when
Speaker 1: someone gets too hot it becomes science to me, where
Speaker 1: I'm just like, this is really like I put on
Speaker 1: a fucking monocle. I'm like interesting, you know, like at
Speaker 1: some point when a person gets to like traditionally hot,
Speaker 1: it becomes scary to me. But that's said I this
Speaker 1: movie is. It's a really horny movie. I like how
Speaker 1: it does. I mean, it's like, and we've talked about
Speaker 1: this a little bit, but it's like, you know, shows
Speaker 1: really macho, masculine stuff, but then it also shows the
Speaker 1: other side of it, and it shows like the challenges
Speaker 1: that are presented by like having to constantly perform this,
Speaker 1: and it is I think like it was ahead of
Speaker 1: its time at least for showing sex work in an
Speaker 1: empathetic way, even though it is certainly not perfect based
Speaker 1: on what we've discussed, and and it also you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of you know, I don't want to use
Speaker 1: the phrase interrogates masculinity because it makes me feel like
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking loser. But whatever, Jamie, we're podcasters, were
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go walk into traffic. Um, well, anyways,
Speaker 1: it interrogates my I'll give it three nipples. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's a good movie. Yeah, it's it's not. Uh. My
Speaker 1: main issues with it are the way that it ends
Speaker 1: in a needlessly ambiguous way, given that it seemed like
Speaker 1: it was building towards a more decisive conclusion. Um. And
Speaker 1: then it's sort of like at the end, I didn't
Speaker 1: like how the women in the movie were. It was like,
Speaker 1: there's only one female character in the entire movie, and
Speaker 1: she doesn't really have anyone to talk to, when it
Speaker 1: was like it would have been interesting to give her
Speaker 1: more people to talk to, and just more women in
Speaker 1: general that we're not very background character generalized. Um, it's
Speaker 1: a really white movie. And and like, especially because they
Speaker 1: specifically grounded in Tampa, that also makes no fucking sense. Um.
Speaker 1: So it's just like it's Steven Soderberg, you know, that's
Speaker 1: a Steven Soderberg problem, I think. Anyways, Uh, three nipples.
Speaker 1: I'll give one to Channing Tatum doing the sexy worm.
Speaker 1: I'll give one to the chair that everyone's coming all
Speaker 1: over with his zabraprint on it. And I'll give my
Speaker 1: final nipple to the big dick. Okay, the one that
Speaker 1: they keep saying swim low that one. Nice. Well, folks,
Speaker 1: that's our show. Thank you coming. Uh we don't normally
Speaker 1: we would have time for questions, but guess what we don't.
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