1 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to Bleep. This week, we have a 2 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: great show for you. Thank you so much for being 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: here and for giving us a listen. So this week 4 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: we have as a guest Congressman Jamie Raskin. I was 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: with him in Florida a few days ago at the 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: No Kings protest. He spoke there, I spoke there, and 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: listening to him speak just made me think about how 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: different Congress would be, how different life for the Trump 9 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: administration would be, and for Americans if Jamie Raskin was 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: the chairman of the Judiciary Committee instead of the ranking 11 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: member and in the minority. And that could very well 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: happen this November. And you know, I want to talk 13 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 1: about what as somebody who participated in the No Kings protest. 14 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: This is not my first. I suspect they won't be 15 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: my last. You know, I always talk about things that 16 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: bring hope for me. Being part of those protests brought 17 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: me hope and just fill my tank with joy and 18 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: this feeling that I'm not just sitting in my house 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: alone doom scrolling and watching terrible. 20 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: News on TV. 21 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,639 Speaker 1: And this was a spectacular display of democracy and action 22 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: by the American people. There were over thirty three hundred protests, 23 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: rallies all over the country, all over the world. 24 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: It was in all seven continents. 25 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: I saw pictures of four people in Antarctica writing in 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: the snow. It was people refusing to be silent, refusing 27 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: to be intimidating, refusing to be afraid, and coming out 28 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: and doing what Americans do, protesting against dictatorship, protesting against 29 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: authoritarianism and saying hell no, We're not going to take it. 30 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: And part of the reason that I feel so good 31 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: every time I go to one of these is because 32 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: you see people of every color, every ethnicity, every age group, 33 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:18,559 Speaker 1: every creed together doing what Americans do and defending American 34 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: values together. So it's that sense of community and knowing 35 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: that you're not alone that I think is so important 36 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: to keep this fight going. And you know, I get 37 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: asked a lot, well, okay, but these protests, what are 38 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: they good for? Are they going to translate into anything? Hell, yes, 39 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: they're translating into things. They're translating into flipping former Republican seats. 40 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: There's been over thirty special elections where seats held by 41 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: Republicans are now held by Democrats. And I'll tell you 42 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: something else that I love about these protests. The signs 43 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: turns out liberals. You know, I'm a lifelong Republican. I've 44 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: gone to a ton of Republican events and tests throughout 45 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: my life, and Republicans just don't hold a candle to 46 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: liberals and Democrats when it comes to making signs. And 47 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: as you know, the name of this podcast is Bleep, 48 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: And the reason it's called bleep is because there's things 49 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: I can say here that don't get bleeped out that 50 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't say on the view or on CNN on 51 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: Network TV. So one of the things I'm gonna do 52 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: for those of you who may not have gone to 53 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: the No King's protests, I'm going to read some of 54 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: my favorite signs from those protests because they are just 55 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: They're just so creative and so damn funny. 56 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: So let's go my favorites. 57 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: I pray Big Beautiful Bill will be the name of 58 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: Trump's cellmate. Trump he's giving off small dictator energy. Imagine 59 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: losing our country to a fat bitch that can't even 60 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: blend his make up veto the Cheeto. If Kamala was 61 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: in charge, we'd all be a brunch. 62 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 2: God knows that's true. 63 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: I've seen better cabinets in Ikea. They're eating the checks, 64 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: they're eating the balances. There is so much to protest. 65 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't decide what to put on this sign elect 66 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: a sexual predator, Prepare to be fucked, the Devil wears 67 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: floor shine, and my favorite, because. 68 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: It's so important, grab them by the midterms. So there 69 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: you have it. 70 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: One of the many reasons why I think these protests 71 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: are such. 72 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: Chicken soup for the soul. 73 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: And as I said, I was in Miami at the protest, 74 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: and I was along with our guest, Congressman Jamie Raskin, 75 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: which is why I'm so happy to have him here today. 76 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: I wanted him to give us the message that he 77 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: was giving in Miami. I'm sure you all know who 78 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: Jamie Raskin is, because he's a real leader in Congress. 79 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: He represents Maryland's eighth congressional district. He is the ranking 80 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: member and the Judiciary Committee. 81 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: He was a. 82 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: House manager in the Trump second impeachment, and he's been 83 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: an outspoken, outspoken leader against Trump and an outspoken critic 84 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: of Trump's abuses of powers. So when we come back, 85 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: we will have Congressman Jamie Raskin speaking with us, so 86 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: stay with us. So hello everyone, we have a real 87 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: treat for you all this week. We have Congressman Jamie 88 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: Raskin on. I'm not even going to go through an 89 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: introduction for him. You all know who he is, and 90 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: we have time and I want to get right into it. 91 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: Jamie, it's so good to see you again. 92 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: We just saw each other a few days ago, March 93 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: twenty seventh in Miami. We were both at the No 94 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: King's protest in Miami and we ran into some technical difficulties. 95 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: The mic stopped working, and you had a speech that 96 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: you were ready to give and you had to cut 97 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: it short. What was your message for people that day. 98 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: Well, it's great to be with you, Anna. It was 99 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,559 Speaker 3: awesome to get some to get to spend some time 100 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 3: with you down in Miami at the No King's protest. 101 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 3: And you know, my look, my major message to people 102 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 3: today is that you know, we're in the flight of 103 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 3: our lives and we're right now embarked on a project 104 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: that we cannot lose, which is to rescue our Constitution 105 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: and our Bill of Rights from people who would destroy 106 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 3: every single aspect of it and turn the clock back 107 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: on all of the progress that the American people have made, 108 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: not just over the decades but over the centuries. So 109 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: I basically wanted to detail a little bit that process, 110 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: but then talk about once we get through this nightmare, 111 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: where we're going. So for me, No, King's Day is 112 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: a very important public holiday and protest because it's a 113 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: renewal of our democratic vows that we pledge to each 114 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: other our sacred honor and our lives and our property 115 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: and our fortunes to make sure that we're going to 116 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: live in a society without kings and queens and dictators 117 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: and lords and emperors and bullies and despots. This is 118 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: both a very dangerous time, as you know, Anna, but 119 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: it is a time that is exhilarating and exciting also 120 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: because we are going to be embarked upon renewing our 121 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 3: democracy and recreating so many institutions and programs that have 122 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: been wrecked by Donald Trump. 123 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: And you talk about the end of the nightmare. 124 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: Of course that hopefully comes at the end of Trump's term, 125 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: but there's a chance to make a big change in 126 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: these midterms. What we're six months away from the midterm, 127 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: and I want people to understand just what a huge, 128 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: dramatic difference it will be to have Democrats in charge, 129 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: to have Democrats in the majority instead of the minority. 130 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: One of the big changes will be that you will 131 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: go from being ranking member of Judiciary Committee to being 132 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: the chairman of Judiciary Committee. So can you explain to 133 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: people what that difference would mean in terms of oversight, 134 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: in terms of investigations, in terms of pushback, in terms 135 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: of doing your job providing some checks and balances, which 136 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: Republicans have completely seated that duty and abdicated that duty 137 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: and are just not performing that. So what will it 138 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: mean if Democrats retake the House? What would that actually mean? 139 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 3: Well, you got it. If you'd think back to when 140 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: Attorney General Pam Bondi came before the House Judiciary Committee, 141 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 3: you will recall that she was acting in complete contempt 142 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: of the Democratic members of the committee. She did not 143 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 3: answer a single question from any of the Democratic members. 144 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: She literally changed the subject where she would begin railing 145 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: about what's going on in our districts. She was doing 146 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: everything she could to filibuster and if we were in control, 147 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: we would have held her in contempt. At that point, 148 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 3: we were exercising oversight for the American people were asking 149 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 3: her about the Epstein file and why they have been 150 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 3: blockading and obstructing our access to getting the files. The 151 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: federal law requires that they release all six million documents, 152 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: and she's only released three million, so they're three million 153 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: she's withholding without any legal basis for that. And then 154 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: of the three million she released, there are tens of 155 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: thousands of pages that have been redacted, and we're having 156 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 3: a very difficult time pouring through them all because there 157 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 3: are only four computers that have been made available to 158 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: us at a Department of Justice annex for hundreds of 159 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: members of Congress, and we're not allowed to send our 160 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 3: staff members over. So if we're in hearings and voting, 161 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: it's very difficult first to go and spend the hours 162 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 3: wading through all of these documents. I mean, it's only 163 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 3: a small fraction we've been able to get through to 164 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 3: see that. 165 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: No, j Ed, I don't think I've told you this, 166 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: but I've known Pambondi for decades. I knew her from 167 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: Florida when she was Attorney general in Florida. And the 168 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: person that I see in front of your committee, that 169 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: person doing this performative Lady macbeth type speech, is a 170 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: completely different person than the woman I knew in Florida 171 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. And it brings me such sadness to 172 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: see how many people have completely compromised their principles just 173 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: to be in the circle of power, just to be 174 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: close to Donald Trump and have put loyalty above anything else. 175 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: But back to the Epstein files. 176 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: You're one of the few people that have seen the 177 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: unredacted files. Is there anything there that has really shocked 178 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: you or surprised you. 179 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 3: Well, remember, I've only seen a tiny fraction of it 180 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 3: because the way this thing is set up. But the 181 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: very first thing I saw was interesting to me, which 182 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 3: led me to believe that there are a whole bunch 183 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 3: of interesting things in there. But it was an email 184 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: that Jeffrey Epstein had forwarded to Glainne Maxwell from his lawyers, 185 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: where they reported to him the results of a telephone 186 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 3: interview with Donald Trump, and they said that they had 187 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 3: not been able to do a deposition. They worked out 188 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 3: a telephone interview and they seemed to like that, and 189 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 3: they said they reported to Epstein, who sent this on 190 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 3: to Maxwell, that Trump said that Jeffrey Epstein was not 191 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 3: a member of his club, but he was always welcome there, 192 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 3: and he was never barred from the club or told 193 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 3: he could not come, and they seemed to be pleased 194 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 3: with that outcome. But you'll recall that Donald Trump has 195 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 3: been saying to us publicly during this whole period that 196 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: he got rid of Jeffrey Epstein, that he kicked him out. 197 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 3: I mean, his story has changed numerous times as to 198 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 3: why he allegedly kicked him out. Would suggest he never 199 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 3: kicked him out and there was no big breach behind it. 200 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 3: So that was just I think the first or second 201 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: thing that I saw when I looked into it. So 202 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 3: I think there's interesting stuff in there, and if that 203 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: was something they didn't consider worth censoring and hiding, it 204 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:22,239 Speaker 3: leads me to believe that there are far more revealing 205 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 3: and incriminating things in there. 206 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: So last question in Epstein files, if you retake the House, 207 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: if you become the chairman of Judiciary Committee, can you 208 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: actually compel Pam Bondy to release all the files? 209 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: Well, it remains to be seen. It might require us 210 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 3: to pass an amendment to the legislation that we passed, 211 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 3: the Epstein File Transparency Act, to allow us to go 212 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: to court to do just what you're saying to compel 213 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 3: the production of everything they haven't produced. We can try 214 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 3: and do it regardless and say that that power is 215 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: implicit in the statue as it exists, and we can 216 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 3: use the other means at our disposal once we're in 217 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 3: control of the committee. 218 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: There's so much that has happened, you know, since since 219 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: Trump took office that has not been investigated. And I 220 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: think one of the things that has brought me so 221 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: much outrage and so much pain, and I think many 222 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: Americans feel the same way, is no oversight of Ice 223 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: and their abuses of power. Immigration is under your committee 224 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: is one of the subcommittees under the Judiciary Committee. I 225 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: wonder if you retake the House, or when you retake 226 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: the House, let me manifest it out there. Are you 227 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: going to be able to go back and investigate things 228 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: like the Alex Pretty assassination, the Renee Good assassination, the 229 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: assassination of the young man in Texas, the shooting. 230 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: Of the young woman the teachers aid in Chicago. 231 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: I mean, are we going to see any accountability regarding 232 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: Ice and those abuses of power? 233 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 3: All of it? I mean, we did what we could 234 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 3: in those five minutes snippets. We had with Pambondi, but 235 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 3: we will be able to call as many hearings as 236 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: we want. And you know, Jim Jordan was part of 237 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 3: you know, there were a dozen different investigations going on 238 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 3: into ben Ghazi. They just didn't leave it alone. I mean, 239 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 3: tons of committees and subcommittees, dozens of hearings, and huge 240 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: mobilization of staff time. Of course, they didn't find anything, 241 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: but absolutely everything that you're talking about, the violence committed 242 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 3: against US citizens, the violence committed against immigrants, the dozens 243 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: of deaths that have occurred in ice custody, all of 244 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: those things can and must be part of what we 245 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 3: look into when, if, and when we take the majority, 246 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 3: especially because the Department of Justice is not doing its job. 247 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: You know, I'm pissed off about so many things that 248 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: have been reported and that the Republicans have just kind 249 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: of shrugged their shoulders and said there's nothing to see here. 250 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: And Christy Nome and her men have been in the 251 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: news a lot in the last few days. And one 252 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: of the things that was reported and nothing seems to 253 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: have been done about, was that there might have been 254 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: a shakedown of DHS vendors Department of Homeland Security vendors 255 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: by Corey Lewandowski, her special employee, amongst other things. Is 256 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: that something that can be looked into. 257 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean there's profound money corruption pervading the administration. 258 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 3: Of course, the example is set at the top. Trump 259 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: himself has made at least a billion and a half 260 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 3: dollars in the year and three months that have taken 261 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 3: place since he came back into office, which is extreme ordinary. 262 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just in order of magnitude, way beyond 263 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 3: anything any other president has done. In fact, all the 264 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 3: other presidents combined, it's you know, thousands or tens of 265 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 3: thousands more money than they ever made in office because 266 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 3: nobody else ever treated it as a money making opportunity, 267 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: and they converted the White House into an instrument of 268 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 3: corrupt self enrichment, whether we're talking about crypto 're getting 269 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 3: money directly from corrupt autocrats and kings and princes abroad, 270 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 3: or taking money from federal government departments themselves, which also 271 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 3: is unconstitutional, just like taking money from foreign governments. 272 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: So I can't believe I'm going to ask you this question. 273 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: But okay, I assume you have seen the story about 274 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: Christino Holmes's husband and the Let me see if I 275 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: can say this word out loud, bimbo fication, fetish that 276 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: he was involved in, and okay, it's you know, it's weird, 277 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: it's kinky, all of those things. But it's also a 278 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: national security threat because if you have a spouse, if 279 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: you have something that can lead to blackmail and extortion 280 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: from anybody who may have hacked into that email or 281 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: into those communications. That means that our secretary of Department 282 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: of Homeland Security, who's supposed to be keeping us safe 283 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 1: keeping the homeland safe was could have been subject to 284 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: blackmail and extortion. So my question to you is whose 285 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: job was it to vet this woman? And how in 286 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: the hell is it possible that something like this could 287 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: have been missed? 288 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 3: Well, it's a great question, Anna. You know what, we 289 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 3: saw the same kinds of circumvention and manipulation of the 290 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: vetting of the White House vetting process back in the 291 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 3: first administration, where there were huge problems with Jared Kushner, 292 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 3: huge problems with Michael Flynn, and all of them were 293 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 3: just smoothed over. I mean, from the moment Donald Trump 294 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 3: got anywhere near the White House, he basically took the 295 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 3: position of, you know, the unitary executive he's control, He's 296 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 3: in control of everything, and he just kind of ran 297 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 3: rough shot over any of the rules and regulations, including 298 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 3: those embodied in law, taking the position that he was 299 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 3: a king. 300 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: But this guy was sending tens of thousands of dollars 301 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: allegedly to sex workers with whom he was having these 302 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: conversations through PayPal and things like that. 303 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: I mean, this is now reported in the press. 304 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: I cannot understand how FBI vetting didn't pick up on this. 305 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: I can't understand how the Senate didn't ask a question 306 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: like this. I remember that I think she was in 307 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: the house. I think it was in the house Christinolme 308 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: was iigorically asked, are you having an affair? Are you 309 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: having a sexual relationship with your special employee Corey Lewandowski 310 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: And she refused to answer. 311 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 2: So it's really I mean, it's sortid, but it's. 312 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 3: Terrible oversight of the vetting process and how either the 313 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 3: FBI fell down on the job or the White House 314 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 3: fell down on the job where there was just collusive 315 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 3: activity that took place in order to suppress these things. 316 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 3: All of that will be a subject of legislative oversight. 317 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 3: We need to get to the bottom that is very dangerous, 318 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 3: as you say, just like all of the bribery and 319 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: corruption is very dangerous because it means that the people 320 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 3: who are engaged in the bribery and the payoffs and 321 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 3: the illegal foreign emoluments have an advantage over our government. 322 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 3: Not only are they having their way directly with the politicians, 323 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 3: but they also know about the corruption that could be 324 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 3: so explosive if it went public. So but we're you know, 325 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 3: Donald Trump has a staff infection, and we're dealing with 326 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 3: a pervasive corruption at every level, you know, anywhere you turn, 327 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 3: Like when Christy Nome came in and then you know 328 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 3: what we learn about the PR contracts she got because 329 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 3: she did that Mount Rushmore horseback photo scene, but that 330 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 3: was part of a two hundred and twenty million dollars 331 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: contract almost a quarter billion dollars they gave to one 332 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 3: PR firm, and of course it ends up being linked 333 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 3: to the husband of her right hand person at the 334 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: Department of ville Land Security. So they're just these overlapping 335 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 3: networks of corruption, and again they're just following Donald Trump. 336 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 3: They view it as a money making opportunity. And so 337 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: these elections in November that you invoked, I mean they're 338 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 3: presenting a very start contrast to the American people. You 339 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 3: can vote either for a vision of government as an 340 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 3: instrument for the common good for everybody serving the people, 341 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 3: or a vision of government where it's an instrument for 342 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 3: the self enrichment of the guy who gets in and 343 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: his family and his friends and his party and everybody 344 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 3: else can basically go to hell and forget about getting 345 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: any mileage out of their tax dollars. 346 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: So in your former life, one of the hats you 347 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: Warri you were a constitutional law professor. And we have 348 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: seen the courts actually pushing back on Donald Trump. Just 349 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: in the last few days, there was a judge who 350 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: ordered that he stopped construction on that ginormous I saw 351 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: of a ballroom that he's obsessed with. What role do 352 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: you see the courts playing and are they playing the 353 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: role that they are meant to be played under the Constitution. 354 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: The district courts and the circuit courts of appeal are 355 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 3: definitely playing the role that was envisioned, and they are 356 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: acting as a real judicial legal watchdog against government violations 357 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 3: of the rights and liberties of the people and government 358 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 3: violations of the rule of law. Our problem is the 359 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 3: Supreme Court, which has been sliced and diced and packed 360 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 3: and stacked and gerrymandered by Mega and they have appointed 361 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 3: six of the nine members despite the fact that they 362 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 3: lost the popular vote in two of the last three 363 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 3: elections and have lost a lot more presidential elections recently 364 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: than they've won. But they've been able to put the 365 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 3: fix in through Mitch McConnell in the Senate. Like my 366 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: constituent Merrick Garland, who became Attorney General of course for Biden. 367 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 3: He had been nominated to the Supreme Court by Barack Obama, 368 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 3: but they said because it was ten months before the election, 369 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 3: that was two close to the election, and they would 370 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 3: not allow him to have you know, a judicial confirmation hearing, 371 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 3: much less of vote. 372 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: I thought he did a god awful job, Merrick Garland 373 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: as Attorney General. 374 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 3: And i'm he was not meant to be attorney general. 375 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 2: No, he wasn't. 376 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: As I think he was afraid of looking politicized and 377 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: of taking action because of politics. And I think because 378 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: of that, there's a lot of things that he did 379 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: he shouldn't have done, and that he didn't do, like 380 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: release the Epstein files that he should have done. How 381 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: different it would have been if these files had been 382 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: released under Biden instead of under Trump. Who's in them? 383 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: Thousands and thousands of times I want to you just 384 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: mentioned that you're writing a new book. Can you tell 385 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: us a little about what the book's about. 386 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 3: Well, you know about I do this project every summer 387 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 3: called Democracy Summer, and it's for young people, high school 388 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 3: and college kids. And you know, amazing number of him 389 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 3: read the last book that I wrote, called Unthinkable, which 390 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 3: was about Onnuary sixth, the violent insurrection, the attempt of 391 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 3: political coup, and it was about the loss of our 392 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 3: beloved son, Tommy Raskin, who died on the last day 393 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty. But anyway, a lot of the young people, 394 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 3: you know, kept saying to me, you know, what would 395 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 3: you have us read in terms of political philosophy, in 396 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 3: terms of moral philosophy, moral theory, and all this kind 397 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 3: of stuff. And I decided, you know what, I'm going 398 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 3: to write another book, a little book, not a big book. 399 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 3: That one was like three hundred and fifty pages, but 400 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 3: a book of maybe about one hundred pages, one hundred 401 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 3: and twenty pages that will be an introduction to them 402 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 3: to the most important intellectual influences in my life. And 403 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 3: so you know, I'm working on a chapter now about 404 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 3: Tom Payne and Benjamin Franklin, but it's going to go 405 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 3: all the way up through the twenty first century and 406 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 3: the people who I've considered very important and why I 407 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 3: hope we'll. 408 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: Come back on with us and when you released that book. 409 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: But you you just mentioned your son, your son Tommy, 410 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: who died by suicide December thirty first, twenty twenty. And 411 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: you know, my my parents lost a son, My brother 412 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,479 Speaker 1: died at the age of thirty eight from a heart attack, 413 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: and it was such a devastating loss and just left 414 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: this hole in our entire family. So I'm wondering, you know, 415 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: I see you working and out there for my for 416 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: my parents, I don't know that they were ever the 417 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: same or anybody can be the same after losing a child. 418 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: We are kind of in the you know, midst of 419 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: holidays right now, pass over Easter. It's it's the times 420 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: when I miss him the most, when I miss my 421 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: brother the most. What message would you have for families 422 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: that have an empty seat at their table and this 423 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: gaping hole in their hearts? 424 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we of course, you know, live with the 425 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 3: same kind kind of terrible absence every single day. We 426 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 3: miss Tommy sharply every single day. But we try to 427 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 3: live in his honor and do the kinds of things 428 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 3: that he would have considered significant and important. And in 429 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 3: his case, you know, we have a memorial fund that's 430 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 3: called the Tommy Raskin Memorial Fund for People and Animals 431 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 3: because he's very passionate about human rights. He was very 432 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 3: passionate about animal rights and welfare. He was a vegan, 433 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 3: but he cared deeply about politics, and he, you know, 434 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 3: he was somebody who felt so much the injustice and 435 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 3: the pain of the world. And so it's important for 436 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 3: all of us to be engaged in the fights for 437 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 3: freedom and democracy and human rights that would have been 438 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 3: important to him. And so for us, you know, I'm 439 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 3: not sure I have any real advice to render anybody else, 440 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 3: but for us, it's just been important to keep going 441 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 3: the things that he believed in. And we lost Tommy 442 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 3: when he was twenty five, but he was in a 443 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 3: second year at law school. He wrote a lot of stuff, 444 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 3: He wrote a lot of poetry. So his you know, 445 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 3: internal emotional and political and intellectual life are available to us, 446 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 3: and you know, and we have a very clear sense 447 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 3: of kind of the trajectory he was on. 448 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: And it's I have one last question, because I know 449 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: you have a and thank you for sharing that with us, 450 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: because I I know how much it hurts to talk 451 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: about these things. But it's a it's a season of spring, 452 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: of rebirth, of Easter, of passover. What is giving your 453 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: heart a rebirth? What is bringing you hope right now? 454 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 3: Well, you know, when when we were little, my dad 455 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 3: used to say to us, when everything looks hopeless, you're 456 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 3: the hope. So we've all kind of grown up with 457 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 3: that sense, like go out and engage and be the 458 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 3: hope for somebody else, and then you get you get 459 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 3: hope back in return in equal greater measure. And I 460 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 3: feel that. So I've been traveling, as you know, around 461 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 3: the country. I was in Florida most recently, but I 462 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 3: was in Oregon, in Washington, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Texas. 463 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 3: I've been out there and I'm campaigning to try to 464 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 3: win back the Congress and also to work with young people. 465 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 3: And to me, you know, we've got to defeat the 466 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 3: dictators and the fascists all over the world. There's just 467 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 3: no choice. And we can't let America go. America is 468 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 3: too important. Like Tom Payne said, the cause of America 469 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 3: is the cause of all mankind, by which he meant 470 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: part of it is. America itself would be an asylum 471 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 3: to humanity, not an insane asylum, but a place of 472 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 3: refuge for people seeking freedom. But also that America would 473 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 3: be a demonstration model for what it would mean to 474 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 3: build a government around the rule of law, protecting the 475 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 3: freedom and the rights of the people, as opposed to 476 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 3: the selfishness and the the power seeking of the people 477 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 3: who get in. Those are just two radically different ways 478 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 3: of thinking about what government does. 479 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: Well. I'll tell you what brings me hope, the thought 480 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 1: that there's going to be a Chairman Jamie Raskin in 481 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: charge of the House Judiciary Committee come next January, and 482 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: that there's going to be finally some oversight, some pushback, 483 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: some investigation, and some checks and balances. So thank you 484 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. I admire you greatly. We 485 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: got to know you. I think the country got to 486 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: know you during the second Impeachment Hearing when you were 487 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: an impeachment manager. Damn, if only it had gone the 488 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: other way. Maybe this nightmare would have not we would 489 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: have not had a part two of it. But here 490 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: we are fighting the fight. Thank you for leading the way, 491 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing us hope. 492 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate that so much. And I remember we 493 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 3: did get fifty seven to forty three in the Senate, 494 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 3: but it wasn't enough. We needed sixty seven votes with 495 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 3: the two thirds threshold. But people can take solace at 496 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 3: least a commanding majority in the Senate found him guilty. 497 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 3: I know Donald Trump was brandishing the newspapers. He was 498 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 3: proud that only fifty seven percent of the Senate thought 499 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 3: that he had waged war against his own government, essentially 500 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 3: by inciting an insurrection. 501 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: I have a last question I want to ask you, 502 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: because you just talked about inciting the an insurrection. I 503 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: think a lot of people are really afraid about the 504 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: integrity of the elections in the midterms and even more 505 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: so the next presidential elections, and that he could do 506 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: another insurrection, and at this point he would be in 507 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: charge of the military, he would be in charge of 508 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: all the powers that be. 509 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 2: What do you tell. 510 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: People who are afraid of the integrity of election integrity? 511 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 3: Well, I think that they're being smart they're being realistic. 512 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 3: They've obviously demonstrated they will stop and nothing, including violence 513 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 3: as a way to block the loss of their power, 514 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 3: and that with their terrible tariffs and this disastrous war, 515 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 3: everything that's going on, that they don't have a program 516 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 3: that will appeal to people, so they will try to 517 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 3: set up obstacles to voter registration, voter suppression techniques, and 518 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 3: different ways of trying to manipulate the elections. The good 519 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 3: news is that under our system for centuries, the states 520 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 3: have been in control of the elections. That means the 521 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 3: state Board of Elections, the Secretary of State, the attorney general, 522 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 3: the governor, and we just have to be working with them. 523 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 3: A lot of them are committed to a free and 524 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 3: fair election. Some of them may not be. You know, 525 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 3: Trump has been really trying to put the squeeze on them. 526 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 3: But you remember what happened in Georgia in twenty twenty 527 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 3: where he called the Secretary of State Raffidsberg and said, 528 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 3: just find the eleven seven hundred eighty votes. That was 529 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 3: Donald Trump trying to commit electoral fraud there, claiming he 530 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 3: was going to stop it. But they've been able to 531 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 3: reply place a lot of those people, not all of them. 532 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 3: So where that's happened, we're developing strategies both legislatively and 533 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 3: politically and litigation wise to try to be there to 534 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 3: stop the stealing of the election. But it's going to 535 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 3: be a fight in every single state. 536 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: Well I think I think the result of his voter 537 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: suppression efforts is going to be a record breaking people 538 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: showing up to vote. I think people refuse to have 539 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: our right to vote taken away from us. And I 540 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: think you're going to see that in November. Thank you 541 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: so much for your time, and thank you for being 542 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: a leader and a statesman. 543 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 3: Thank you, Jamie, thank you so much and any time. 544 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 3: And I hope to see you, sir, and either back 545 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 3: in Florida or on zoom. 546 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 2: Thank you pour best. 547 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: So we're back And at this time during the podcast, 548 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: I usually call out my hero of the week and 549 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: my coward of the week. But this week, this week 550 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: I got to talk about something else because this story 551 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: was just so crazy, I kid you not. I had 552 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: to convince my producer to let me talk about Christy 553 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: Nome's husband because she just thinks this story is so weird. 554 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: She can't believe it's true. She keeps asking me, are 555 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: you sure this is true? 556 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 2: It's just so weird. Are you sure it's not Ai? No, 557 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 2: it is not Ai, And we're. 558 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: Going to talk about it. So of course I'm talking 559 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 1: about it. And if you don't know about this story, 560 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: you need to put down whatever you're doing and go 561 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 1: google this. Right now, we are talking about Brian no Him. 562 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 1: That is deportation Barbie's husband. And so if you didn't 563 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: see the story, turns out that Brian know Him is 564 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: a cross dresser with a bimbo fication fetish. Yes, that 565 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: is a thing, a bimbo fication fetish, and it is 566 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: where people dressed and exaggerated feminine features as part of 567 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: their their fetish. So here he was having these calls, 568 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: these chums and face times with sex workers where he 569 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: was in full fetish mode, wearing these two huge balloons, 570 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: mimicking women's breasts and uh doing Poudy lip posts and 571 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: having conversations with these sex workers. 572 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 2: So my friend Mark Caputo, who's. 573 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 1: From Miami, he used to be in the Miami Herald, 574 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: he's now at Axios, got the story pitched to him 575 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: by a lawyer representing one of the sex workers who 576 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: allegedly is an immigrant, maybe even an undocumented immigrant in 577 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: this country. So this woman was claims that she the 578 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: tea in this is just so good. She claims that 579 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: she mistakenly but called the number back that Jason that 580 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: was the name that Brian Noan would use, that she 581 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: made this call and got no insurance company. 582 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 2: And when she googled that she. 583 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: Saw pictures of Brian Noham with Christie Nohan and then 584 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: came to the realization that this was Christi Noham's husband. 585 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: And because she's an immigrant, and because she might be 586 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: undocumented immigrant, she's pissed as hell with the terrorizing by 587 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: Christy Norham's Department of Immigrants, and as revenge, she pitched 588 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: this story. Wanted this story known and listen, I'm gonna 589 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: tell you this. Usually I wouldn't be into this type 590 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: of story because I think people's kinks amongst consenting adults 591 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: is their business. And also because I realized that this 592 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: is causing a lot of her to the know them children, well, 593 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: they're not children, they're adults. 594 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 2: They're full grown ass adults. And to Christy Noan. 595 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: But I'm making an exception in this case, and I'll 596 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because Christy Nolman has displayed incredible 597 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: cruelty and lack of grace when it comes to the 598 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: families of Alex Pretty, of Renee Good, and of so 599 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: many immigrants whose lives have been destroyed because of her 600 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: actions and what's happened under DHS under her leadership. 601 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 2: Just in the recent. 602 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: Weeks we have seen in months, we've seen Donald Trump 603 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: relish the death and celebrate the death of Robert Muller. 604 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 2: Christy Nome didn't say shit. 605 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: We saw him relish and celebrate the death of Rob 606 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: Reiner and his wife. Christy Nolan didn't say shit. And 607 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: so now she's asking for privacy and prayers. If she 608 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: didn't give that privacy to the families of Alex Pretty 609 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: and Renee Good and to the families and didn't demand 610 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: the same privacy and prayers for the family of Rob 611 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: Reiner and Bob Muller when her boss was relishing their deaths, 612 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 1: I'm not about to give her privacy and prayers now. 613 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,439 Speaker 1: It's a little too late, it's a little too hypocritical, 614 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: it's a little too convenient for her to be asking 615 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: for privacy and prayers. 616 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 2: And also, listen, I think we've got to talk about. 617 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: Yes, this is kinky, this is freaky, this is weird. 618 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: I'm convincing JB here that this is not made up. 619 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: It's also a national security threat, guys. So let's just 620 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: think about what it could have meant, or what it 621 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: may have meant that the spouse of the Secretary of 622 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: the Department of Homeland Security was sending thousands, tens of 623 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,320 Speaker 1: thousands of dollars to sex workers, engaging in these zoom 624 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: calls while wearing two huge basukas under his. 625 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 2: Shirt. 626 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: You know what that means. It means that he and 627 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: she could have been blackmailed. We just saw in the 628 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: last few days that cash buttel emails were hacked and leaked, 629 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: supposedly by a group sympathizing with Iran. Well, what the 630 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 1: hell do you think could have happened if people had 631 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: been able to hack into his pay Pal account and 632 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: see the tens of thousands of dollars being paid to 633 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,760 Speaker 1: sex workers, or hacked into some of these zoom calls 634 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: or these FaceTime lives that he was doing with sex workers, 635 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: it means that our secretary of the Department of Homeland 636 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: Security was subject to and could have been subject to 637 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 1: and vulnerable to blackmail and extortion by foreign foes, by 638 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: domestic foes. It could have led to a complete and 639 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 1: absolute disaster. I cannot believe that this was not caught 640 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: by the people who vetted this family when she was 641 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: going through Senate confirmation. And because I am kind of 642 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: relishing the story, and I'm relishing it again because of 643 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: the hypocrisy. This is the same Christine Oman who was 644 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 1: governor and as Secretary of State, has had be rated 645 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: the transgender community, the drag queen community band drag shows 646 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: in South Dakota all the time, while her husband is 647 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:19,439 Speaker 1: a cross dresser doing these kind of things. And there 648 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: have been some amazing memes, because the Internet never fails, 649 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: and some amazing things that have been written in the Internet, 650 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: some amazing comments. So let me give you some of them. 651 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: I don't know that I can say this with I 652 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: was laughing, but I'll try. You remember Christy name who 653 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: shot her dog, right, her dog cricket. So one of 654 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: these say one of these internet postsas about his huge basukahs. 655 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: Those puppies are so big, it's too bad she didn't 656 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: shoot them. Somebody else says privacy and prayer for what 657 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: big faked. Another one says Christi Nom's husband could be 658 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: just a shakeup rue Paul's drag Race is looking for. 659 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: I would have thought Christy Nome was not the biggest 660 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: boob in her household. And then there was one that said, 661 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: fortunately for him, given her history in shooting animals, he 662 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: wasn't also a furry. So yeah, okay, that's what we're 663 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: ending with this week. I thought it needed some You 664 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: needed to hear this tea and we need to talk 665 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: about it. So thank you again for joining us on 666 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,320 Speaker 1: Bleep with Anna Navarro. Thank you to Congressman Jamie Raskin 667 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: for being part of this episode this week, and thank 668 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,439 Speaker 1: you all for listening. Please leave me your comments, leave 669 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: me your thoughts. 670 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:55,760 Speaker 2: Listen. 671 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: I know there was a lot of curse words in 672 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: this episode, but people, I mean really, we had to 673 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: do it. 674 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 2: We had to do it today. 675 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,240 Speaker 1: Bleep with Anna Navarro is a High Finite Media group 676 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: production in partnership with Iheart'smikududa podcast Network. 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