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Speaker 1: Scalable advice for sure. It's hello, welcome to the Not

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Speaker 1: Even Nice I'm your host, Rob Shooter, and it is

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Speaker 1: what is it? It is Wednesday, which means our dear

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Speaker 1: friend Donny Meacham joins us. Hey, Donnie, are you know hell.

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Speaker 2: Leve leve leve level. Welcome, Welcome, we missed.

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Speaker 1: You, We missed your last week. Some weeks, I think

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Speaker 1: we forget that this is like our side hustle. And

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Speaker 1: even though it's my favorite of all the jobs I have,

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Speaker 1: it's not the job that pays the bills. And so

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Speaker 1: when work calls that pays the bills, we have to

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Speaker 1: dash and do that. So you were working away. I

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Speaker 1: hear you were interviewing Harry Styles. That's a good reason

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Speaker 1: to not be available for the Not Even Nice Show.

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Speaker 1: I'll take it.

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Speaker 2: What was it like, Well, so here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: So this is what's so funny, because you know how

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Speaker 3: like we make fun of each other, give each other

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Speaker 3: a hard time, always like slappy, slappy, sloppy, but most

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Speaker 3: It's like in the Nazis note. Now it's like we

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Speaker 3: messed with each other. But you know, I have audio

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Speaker 3: issues sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Do, and so we start the show. Sometimes we have

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Speaker 2: to start late.

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Speaker 3: We had to restart over because something about this computer

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Speaker 3: hates it. Well, imagine you have Harry.

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Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, your computer's having audio issues

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Speaker 3: with Harry with us, you know.

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Speaker 2: What, we can wait a little bit. You can't make

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Speaker 3: You know what, Sweetie, what did you do?

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Speaker 1: What did you do?

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Speaker 2: Did you just panicked? Panicked?

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Speaker 1: Panic?

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Speaker 2: Because I was like, oh my gosh, o god.

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Speaker 3: So that it's like, imagine that awkward moment of your making. Granted,

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Speaker 3: Harry's been out of the limelight from but good for him.

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Speaker 3: He did what Taylor Sweat is now ever exposed. But

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Speaker 3: imagine telling the most one of the most famous people

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Speaker 2: You can you just wait for baby? Can you wait

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Speaker 2: for me? For him?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 1: Was he a gentleman about it?

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Speaker 3: So? Yes, Love, I mean this man, we I've said

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Speaker 2: You are, the nicer you are.

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Speaker 1: It's the high celebrity people heals celebrity me because they've

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Speaker 1: get it. And the professional about it too, like promoting

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Speaker 3: That's part of the job here. They've done this before.

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Speaker 3: They know what it's like to see this celebrity. The

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love interviewingnalists people. It's so much

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Speaker 1: easier that you. Most difficult people are the housewives or

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Speaker 1: Bravo celebrities are the ones that feel fame and then

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Speaker 1: Madonna and I trade everybody well, but I get what

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Speaker 1: you say. Oh, that's a lovely story to start the

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Speaker 1: show with Harry Styles. Maybe our nicest of the day.

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Speaker 1: Let's jump into our show. What time is it? My friends?

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Speaker 1: It is tea time, big story at the top of

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Speaker 1: the show. So Harry, Prince Harry, not Harry Styles, Prince Harry,

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Speaker 1: the other Harry can't be trusted, said a loyal staffer.

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Speaker 1: So now the royal secrets are certainly being kept away

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Speaker 1: If the truth be told, you can go on TV,

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Speaker 1: not going to. I have this issue a lot. We

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Speaker 1: I say it like I mean it now, Donnie, if

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Speaker 1: You're quite quite forceful, Donnie. You say what you want.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's true to say you sugar it.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, I am I can I say I

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Speaker 3: But I am I sugarcoat things a little too much.

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Speaker 3: it was you. It was you as you And he's

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Speaker 2: The man won't talk to me, like what am I

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Speaker 3: Why so it's so hard because I didn't talk to

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Speaker 1: Stop caring too. It's it's interesting how life works. It

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Speaker 1: And I just after the fourth, the fifth, the sixth

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Speaker 1: They've made their decisions. It's terribly sad whenever a family

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Speaker 1: Saturday coming up, Yes, Saturday.

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Speaker 2: People are wondering will Amy make.

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Speaker 1: It appe she will be there. I reported exclusively a

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