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Speaker 1: Bobby Cast. I want to share with you guys a

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Speaker 1: new six part limited series that we're gonna feature over

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Speaker 1: the coming weeks. It's called Unsigned and Independent, hosted by

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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell, who you may know is kick off Kevin

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Speaker 1: from my sports podcast Whistles. But this six part series

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Speaker 1: features unsigned and independent artists and bands in Nashville. So

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Speaker 1: this whole series was made to highlight the journey and

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Speaker 1: the grind that musicians go through trying to make any

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Speaker 1: country music. The artist featured on this podcast, they're doing

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Speaker 1: it all themselves, no labels, no management, with most not

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Speaker 1: even a publishing team. So Kevin will bring you their

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Speaker 1: stories of what touring, writing, and recording music is like

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Speaker 1: when you've got to do it all by yourself. So

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Speaker 1: even if you don't know their names, I think you'll

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Speaker 1: be inspired by their passion to do what they love

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Speaker 1: and maybe you become a fan. New episodes every Monday

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Speaker 1: for a while here on the bobbycast feed for the

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Speaker 1: next six weeks. The episode now is Graham named Caro

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Speaker 1: and Kevin said he moved to town and this is

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Speaker 1: Here is episode one of the Bobby Cast presents Unsigned

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Speaker 1: and Independent with Kevin O'Connell and Joy. Hey. This is Kevin,

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Speaker 1: host of Unsigned and Independent. I appreciate you listening to

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Speaker 1: this podcast series. You can find me on social media

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Speaker 1: and Twitter and Instagram at Kickoff Kevin. On this first episode,

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Speaker 1: we have Graham man Care. You can follow him on

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Speaker 1: social media at Graham Nan Carol. Graham's a great guy.

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Speaker 1: We dive into his story and him moving out to

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Speaker 1: that journey has been like for him. He's an independent artist,

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Speaker 1: so he does everything on his own, from his bookings

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Speaker 1: he's got some great stories about, you know, maybe breaking

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Speaker 1: again for listening, Graham. What's up man? Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 1: I just saw in your social media recently that you

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Speaker 1: guys behind, right absolutely, yeah, yeah, And what do you

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Speaker 1: old school way to me. Um, put out records, shows,

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Speaker 1: you don't need any of that, right, No, no disrespect

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Speaker 1: all the things that we need. But the label has

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Speaker 1: unless it's a big label that cares about you. Of course.

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Speaker 1: Um I've had experiences with labels. Uh. I was signed

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Speaker 1: Rancid took and took us under their wing up in

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Speaker 1: northern California. Really yeah, man helped us make a great

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Speaker 1: record at the record plant in Sausalito or Salsalito, which

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Speaker 1: is like a legendary place where just crazy stories. So

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Speaker 1: a lot of crazy stories, odes and bathrooms, you know,

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Speaker 1: San Francisco since since the sixties, and can imagine all

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Speaker 1: the stories. Oh yeah, I can only imagine. But hey, Graham,

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming in here today. This is

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Your story is awesome, and just

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Speaker 1: stay on the ground, keep doing what you're doing your outlook.

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Speaker 1: Everything will fall into place. There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: And for everybody that's listening, go check them out. Graham

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Speaker 1: nan Caro on Instagram, Twitter, check me out, Kick off

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Speaker 1: Kevin on Instagram and Twitter. Graham, thanks a lot. Let's

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Speaker 1: do it again sometime. Thanks Kevin, DU's a blast, dude,