Speaker 1: Hello, Gnaw, come out talking today.
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Speaker 2: Governor. Hello, It is Jesus Gon's episode. And I'm Rosie
Speaker 2: Knight from across the Pond, Rosie Night.
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Speaker 3: How Lucky you are? And in this episode, we're bringing
Speaker 3: you up Big bad b movie banger of a double
Speaker 3: feature with Creature Commandos episodes one and two. What do
Speaker 3: we think about it? Want to hear the recap, want
Speaker 3: to know where the Creature Commandos come from in the comics.
Speaker 3: We got you covered. But first, I previously on Marvel
Speaker 3: Rivals is here out and me and Jason are doing
Speaker 3: nothing but playing it. It's dangerous. It's dangerously, it really is.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna talk about that in the airlock. We're
Speaker 3: gonna break down those first two episodes Creature Commandos in
Speaker 3: the comics corner, we're gonna do a comics history of
Speaker 3: the Creature Commandos and how we think it might shape
Speaker 3: the James Gunnerverse version going forward.
Speaker 2: But first previously on Okay Marvel Rivals, we are playing
Speaker 2: it free to play on your console of choice as
Speaker 2: well as PC, except for the switch.
Speaker 3: It will never be on the switch. That's what the
Speaker 3: guys said now never does not have.
Speaker 2: The juice to get on the switch. But it is
Speaker 2: free to play. You're gonna pay for skins, You're gonna
Speaker 2: pay for a battle pass, but just competition. Don't worry
Speaker 2: about it. You can get in and not pay anything
Speaker 2: and just play.
Speaker 3: And you can play as like thirty three different characters,
Speaker 3: like it's a massive roster.
Speaker 2: Rosie Harry feeling because I gotta say, I'm feeling great level.
Speaker 3: It's feeling so good.
Speaker 2: I got into camp. I'm five and one in camp
Speaker 2: because I've got that Overwatch one and two resume and
Speaker 2: boozling people right now. It feels great, Rosie, who are
Speaker 2: you playing as?
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm sticking I've currently been sticking with the
Speaker 3: good old Tank group because I seem to have the
Speaker 3: most wonderful lock that he is for me a fantastic
Speaker 3: button bashing character, which when I am in a new game,
Speaker 3: I am a prolific Buttom basher, I can win against
Speaker 3: pretty much anyone in more combat with absolutely zero combos,
Speaker 3: just because I'm a skilled button basher. That's the same
Speaker 3: in a In Dragon Ball Fighters with a Z, I
Speaker 3: found myself very quickly rising in the rank of that game.
Speaker 3: And yeah, Groot has been a very good button bashed up.
Speaker 3: I also like punish her a lot. So basically big
Speaker 3: characters where I can shoot people a lot, and there's
Speaker 3: lots of uh, you know, ammo or kind of protection
Speaker 3: against the fact that I don't even know what PvP means.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's so good. Yeah, wow, that makes so
Speaker 3: much sense. But yeah, I'm loving it. I didn't expect
Speaker 3: it to hook me as much as it did.
Speaker 2: Really fun, it's so good.
Speaker 3: I really love I love the world like that. To me,
Speaker 3: these kind of cosmic spaces, the Galactic Empire of Wakanda
Speaker 3: planets from Guardians of the Galaxy, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: It makes you feel immediately immersed And I have to say,
Speaker 3: for a free to play game, it looks fucking fantastic.
Speaker 2: It looks really good.
Speaker 3: Who's your favorite player?
Speaker 2: I was gonna playing Guardian's Heavy, Okay, so what makes
Speaker 2: sense things? I've been playing Groot a lot when I've
Speaker 2: been tanking, particularly if any of my support our Guardians members,
Speaker 2: Like if you see Rocket as a support player and
Speaker 2: you're thinking tank and you're you're missing a tank slot,
Speaker 2: go Groot. I had a great conquest mode with you know, Groot,
Speaker 2: playing as Groot with Rocket as my support. We also
Speaker 2: had Mantis on heels and Peter Quill as the damage player,
Speaker 2: so we had all the Guardians going and you just
Speaker 2: unlock all these really great team up abilities cool downs
Speaker 2: or quicker. Rocket was on my shoulders yea the whole
Speaker 2: time as I was holding point as Groot. You can
Speaker 2: throw up these walls of like vines that slow down
Speaker 2: other players and eventually, if you're close enough to them,
Speaker 2: they grow tentacles and attack. The cool down is I
Speaker 2: never notice it. I always have a wall if you
Speaker 2: need to hold space, like you're gonna play defensively Groot
Speaker 2: with Rocket on his shoulder, fucking unkillable.
Speaker 3: No, no, I'm saying, like I literally am not skilled
Speaker 3: at this game. And then and am learning as I go,
Speaker 3: but every game I play with group, I survive and
Speaker 3: my team wins. So I feel like I want to
Speaker 3: get good as Squirrel Girl because that's my favorite squirrel character, Desiety.
Speaker 3: She's so cool. I love seeing Jeff the land Shark.
Speaker 3: I haven't played with him yet, but he's seeking swim
Speaker 3: kind of up anything, so you see him swimming up
Speaker 3: walls eating people. That's very fantastic. I didn't realize how many,
Speaker 3: as somebody who did grow up on like Mortal Kombat
Speaker 3: and Who for me, that's still my favorite fighting game.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize how many sort of fatality adjacent moments
Speaker 3: there would be. Like obviously it's a Marvel game, so
Speaker 3: it's not actually killing people, but there are kind of
Speaker 3: these really fun moves, and when you do alts and stuff,
Speaker 3: you really get to see these characters come to life.
Speaker 3: And I also just love the way that you move
Speaker 3: around the area, especially Convoy has been like my favorite
Speaker 3: mode so far.
Speaker 2: Convoy as well.
Speaker 3: It's really fun. It's a really great way to get
Speaker 3: to see it and to explore the world's and kind
Speaker 3: of get to see how your team is gonna play
Speaker 3: because these people are so fast, it's such a chaotic thing,
Speaker 3: but once you get into the flow of it, I
Speaker 3: feel like it's doable. I mean, I think it's kind
Speaker 3: of incredible that this is a free to play game.
Speaker 3: I think they said they've had ten million players in
Speaker 3: the first three days.
Speaker 2: You can tell because you get into a game immediately.
Speaker 3: There's every time, there's no waiting.
Speaker 2: You hit enter game and it's just like boom, you
Speaker 2: are match made. The Discord was.
Speaker 3: Talking about how Overwatch has been really rough the last
Speaker 3: few years because it hasn't been like that and you'd
Speaker 3: have to wait a long time for matchups. So it's
Speaker 3: cool to see people finding this game immediately. Also super produced.
Speaker 3: Arab makes a great point, which is like relatively smooth
Speaker 3: launch for such a massive free to play game like
Speaker 3: it has. We've had a lot of messed up games
Speaker 3: recently and bad launches and games getting taken down after
Speaker 3: just a few days because there aren't enough players. This
Speaker 3: has been a relatively smooth launch, with more stuff going
Speaker 3: viral about the actual content of the game, playing the game,
Speaker 3: hilarious jokes about which characters you play as, rather than
Speaker 3: like weird glitch memes and stuff, which is often what
Speaker 3: we get in twenty twenty four with gaming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been quite good. I will say there are
Speaker 2: certain quality of life tweaks that I feel like are
Speaker 2: coming that are not getting there yet. For instance, right now,
Speaker 2: there is no roll locks, so you could go in
Speaker 2: sixteen players sixty's great six supports. Eventually, I feel like
Speaker 2: they will either put in something where they'll suggest to you, hey,
Speaker 2: we need this role, or there'll be two to two
Speaker 2: and two so you can ye two two.
Speaker 3: Which just like there should be a simple way to
Speaker 3: make it so that that's automatic.
Speaker 2: I think what they want to do is just get
Speaker 2: people playing, because that is coming from Overwatch. That is
Speaker 2: part of what will slow the game down because people
Speaker 2: are like, well, I only play Tank or I only
Speaker 2: play I.
Speaker 3: Also, this is a game where people want to play
Speaker 3: as their favorite character. Like, there's gonna be people involved
Speaker 3: in this that have never played these games and don't
Speaker 3: care about the role and they just want to play
Speaker 3: as Doctor Strange or they just want to play as
Speaker 3: Black Widow. You know. So I think that's gonna kind
Speaker 3: of an interesting point. But yeah, I think that would
Speaker 3: be really cool and would probably make it a lot
Speaker 3: less challenging. If you find yourself in a team with,
Speaker 3: like you said, like six tanks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let me run through the characters that I
Speaker 2: like that, Okay, tell me. I love Groot as a tank.
Speaker 2: I really like Cap as a tank. If you want
Speaker 2: to be like a mobile tank who runs around, He's
Speaker 2: got a sprint feature which is really great. I really
Speaker 2: like Doctor Strange as a tank. I really like I
Speaker 2: play mostly tank and support. I like uh Mantis as
Speaker 2: support because you can boost. Not only can you heal,
Speaker 2: but you can boost your front line guys attack damage strength.
Speaker 2: So a bunch of times if I'm playing with Iron Fist,
Speaker 2: who seems like the kind of go to character for
Speaker 2: getting into the back line and just beating. Like, if
Speaker 2: you see an iron Fist running at you and you're
Speaker 2: a back line support character, get out of there.
Speaker 3: Get out because she is just gonna be like sixty
Speaker 3: around you and your redone signs that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, uh, I love playing as Mantos because you
Speaker 2: can boost whoever your frontline character is that's going to
Speaker 2: go in there attack and you can boost their damage strength.
Speaker 2: And also if you've got cap or or iron Fist
Speaker 2: for one of these marauding characters who likes to get
Speaker 2: into the back line very quickly. She has a like
Speaker 2: a smoke bomb that stuns that puts people to sleep
Speaker 2: for like two seconds. So you're getting attacked all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, you've got somebody like right there in your face.
Speaker 2: You just boom smoke bomb them. They go to sleep,
Speaker 2: You get out of there.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Great feature, And when you pair it with any of
Speaker 2: the other guard you get some really interesting team up
Speaker 2: features like if Warlock is your other support, I've been
Speaker 2: playing a lot of Warlock. If Adam Warlock is your
Speaker 2: other support, your cooldowns are faster. You can resurrect yourself
Speaker 2: like Adam Warlock's power. You go into a cocoon, you
Speaker 2: just come back. Adam Warlock is great, very powerful healer.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: He can resurrect the entire team if you time the
Speaker 2: alt right, like he opens up portal I, everybody who's
Speaker 2: dead comes back out.
Speaker 3: Okay, wait wait, I wanted to ask you what's your
Speaker 3: favorite alt move so far, Like, what's the moment why
Speaker 3: you've kind of got that I've seen that you that
Speaker 3: you've seen or played whichever one. I mean the amount
Speaker 3: of times that Wanda has completely evaporated me and my
Speaker 3: entire team with what with her like black magic alt
Speaker 3: it is cannot be counted and it is crazy, like
Speaker 3: if you hear her, you hear her going to that,
Speaker 3: look for her and run because you will die immediately,
Speaker 3: Like it is an.
Speaker 2: Instant kill for everybody who gets hit by her black
Speaker 2: magic bomb.
Speaker 3: So cool if in the in the old universe where
Speaker 3: I could become a professional Marvel Rivals player, Wonder is
Speaker 3: the coolest character to me. She's the one I would
Speaker 3: want to be really good at. Okay, So there's rumors
Speaker 3: about new characters like Fantastic Four and X Men, which
Speaker 3: makes sense, especially with the movies coming up. But who
Speaker 3: would your dream character be to add to the game.
Speaker 1: Charles Charles, Charles and his little wheelchair floating around a
Speaker 1: little wheelchair, like just like mind zapping people and like, dude,
Speaker 1: it's just.
Speaker 3: Like killing people with his mind like classical style.
Speaker 2: He needs like some kind of ability where you can't
Speaker 2: tell who all of a sudden, everybody looks like a
Speaker 2: oo foe, Like you can't tell who's on your team
Speaker 2: and who's colors.
Speaker 3: Go away, and you're just like that.
Speaker 2: What I would like to see her? I would like
Speaker 2: to see on the oh beyond her would be crazy.
Speaker 2: Doom would be Doom is the antagonist of the story.
Speaker 2: Incredible to see Doom. I'd like to see some more
Speaker 2: cool villains. You know, there's a lot of cut heroes,
Speaker 2: but some like Deep. I would like to see Kingpin
Speaker 2: and there is like a brawl Tank.
Speaker 3: Would okay, So Kingpin was definitely on my list. I
Speaker 3: also am very excited if they really do bring the
Speaker 3: Fantastic Four because I think Sue is just such an
Speaker 3: interesting character in that game, as like the Aultmate Shield
Speaker 3: I also want to see. I love that they have
Speaker 3: Squirrel Girl and that they've made her just as like
Speaker 3: powerful and badass as she's very powerful.
Speaker 2: Her alt is really it's devastating.
Speaker 3: What about like I would love to see, like what
Speaker 3: if they go in like the power Pack and you
Speaker 3: always play as like them and it's like out.
Speaker 2: That would be really fun because this Hulk, I would
Speaker 2: love to grab one of these little power Pack kids
Speaker 2: by the anchor bash.
Speaker 3: Of the Hulk Smash power Back.
Speaker 2: I will say I've seen So there's uh, they're talking.
Speaker 2: There's some leaks now about characters that will arrive. Read
Speaker 2: Richards is one of them. A little too Zaddy read Richards.
Speaker 2: He's he's The character design that I've seen is like,
Speaker 2: why is Reid this good looking? He will to realize.
Speaker 3: Because he's got gray hair. They're like, he's sexy. But
Speaker 3: I want to know is can they get Reid's powers
Speaker 3: right in this game, because that is I think one
Speaker 3: of the biggest challenges, and if they do, then we
Speaker 3: can feel very hopeful about the Fantastic Four movie, more
Speaker 3: hopeful than we already feel. Another leak that I'm really
Speaker 3: excited about. One of my all time favorite Marvel characters
Speaker 3: who I think would be fantastic in this is Emma Frost.
Speaker 2: Yes there are okay see her.
Speaker 3: They've been teasing her. What role do you think she
Speaker 3: would have?
Speaker 2: I think you could see her as a tank I
Speaker 2: think so because she goes diamond forman.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm gonna say. Damn it should take Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, I also could there's too many what is the
Speaker 2: name I forget for a duelist? Right is the damage character?
Speaker 2: There's like sixty five percent of the characters are are duelists,
Speaker 2: so you need tank and support. I could see her
Speaker 2: either as a support character who links minds and links healing.
Speaker 2: You know, Warlock has a thing where he does a
Speaker 2: life bond and when he bonds the team together for
Speaker 2: a period of time, any damage that one character takes
Speaker 2: it's spread across the team, so it kind of dampens
Speaker 2: the amount of damage a team can do and it
Speaker 2: spreads healing throughout the team. I could see Emma doing
Speaker 2: a thing like that where it's like mind link type.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone turns a bit diamond dish, Yeah, bit shiny.
Speaker 2: Geene Gray is another. Oh that would be so bad.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can Also I love that they've
Speaker 3: been told me about like Angela, and I'm like, okay.
Speaker 2: As Angela would be nut.
Speaker 3: That's also insane because she was like Original and Spawn
Speaker 3: and ended up being in Marvel due to a lawsuit
Speaker 3: between Neil Gaiman and Tom McFarlane, and it's just like
Speaker 3: I would I love those kind of weird comic book myths.
Speaker 3: And also she has incredibly badass like hell powers, so
Speaker 3: I definitely would love to see that. I just think
Speaker 3: this is such a fun game, and.
Speaker 2: It's really really fun.
Speaker 3: I think it's for me as someone who has many
Speaker 3: nieces and nephews and has been dragged into many Fortnite
Speaker 3: matches in which I have died immediately after being hidden
Speaker 3: in a house that they built. I found Fortnite, even
Speaker 3: though I really wanted to play as like Godzilla wearing
Speaker 3: Jordan's and I wanted to play as you know, Jason
Speaker 3: Bohes or whatever, like, I never found it to be
Speaker 3: something I could understand how to play. But just in
Speaker 3: the weekend since this game you know, was released, I
Speaker 3: have actually found it very playable, very accessible, really fun,
Speaker 3: and there is an incentive as somebody who loves these
Speaker 3: characters to play the game. So that's the thing.
Speaker 2: If if you're a Marvel comics fan, if you're a
Speaker 2: Marvel movies fan, there are so many little things, little voice,
Speaker 2: little one off voice lines, like when you're waiting in
Speaker 2: the lobby to go into the combat zone, all the
Speaker 2: players are kind of cued up in this waiting room
Speaker 2: and you'll hear little snippets of conversation between a couple
Speaker 2: of characters, and it's perfect. I don't want to spoil
Speaker 2: any of the lines because the lines are perfect. And
Speaker 2: then the olt lines that they say, the team up
Speaker 2: lines are wonderful, and some of the team up moves
Speaker 2: are just really really fun, like a Wolverine and the
Speaker 2: Hulk can do a fastball special where the Hulk just
Speaker 2: throws Wolverine like at Iron Man. It is crazy to
Speaker 2: see it.
Speaker 3: It is just fantastic fun, fantastic good.
Speaker 2: I hope I don't patch it too soon because it's
Speaker 2: just everything that this happened. It feels like everybody, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it feels like a lot of the characters are like overpowered,
Speaker 2: and I kind of like it. I keep this for
Speaker 2: a little while for people like.
Speaker 3: Me, like, and I do think there is a lot
Speaker 3: of potential hair I've seen in the discord our discord
Speaker 3: users are loving it, and I definitely can't wait to
Speaker 3: squad up with the X ray Vision team. But I
Speaker 3: think there's also some fun potential hair to try and
Speaker 3: do some kind of like streaming with our discord or
Speaker 3: squatting up because it's just like it's so much fun,
Speaker 3: and I can't imagine how much more fun it will
Speaker 3: be when you're actually playing with people.
Speaker 2: You know, it's really fun. I mean, I would say
Speaker 2: my highlight was a you know, a capture of the
Speaker 2: point I forget, Like I think it's called conquest the game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's capture like three points and it was two healers,
Speaker 2: uh three duellists and one tank per team, and our
Speaker 2: tank was was Venom and their tank was four and
Speaker 2: it was like and the healers on both teams were
Speaker 2: like really effective. So't like in this middle I think
Speaker 2: it was like the Clert It was like the Symbia
Speaker 2: map sequence. And so we're just like fighting in this
Speaker 2: like round middle area and the two tanks Thor and
Speaker 2: Venom are just like toe to toe for what feels
Speaker 2: like a minute at a time, just agea wow, you
Speaker 2: like lightning. Everybody's just healing them, shooting at them, and
Speaker 2: just watching these two guys just go ape like beating
Speaker 2: the shit out of each other, nobody dying, like it
Speaker 2: would really take a lot to like bring either one
Speaker 2: of them down, and it was just like it was
Speaker 2: just it lasts like it's.
Speaker 3: Like really wow, that's really like it feels like you're
Speaker 3: in one of those insane battles where in ten years
Speaker 3: people are gonna read the comic and be like why
Speaker 3: was that and fighting Thor like what was that about?
Speaker 3: And you're like, I'm here in the moment, why are
Speaker 3: they doing? I don't know, but I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's great if you haven't played it yet, definitely check
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see you out there. Up next, Creature Commandos. Okay,
Speaker 2: Creature Commandos Episode one. We open with the news report
Speaker 2: there's a shocking and dangerous alliance between a ragtag extremist
Speaker 2: militia group named the Sons of Themyscarrett. Really kind of
Speaker 2: funny name.
Speaker 3: To David, I just feel like, very interesting, yes, that
Speaker 3: they are going this way. It tells us a lot.
Speaker 3: This is a controversial figure in Wonder Woman history. Brian Azarello,
Speaker 3: writer of Wonder Woman Volume four, he introduced this group
Speaker 3: that is essentially the like a male abandoned children of
Speaker 3: basically like the kids of Demisgerans who in this canon.
Speaker 3: In his head he imagines that they were abandoned at
Speaker 3: birth because it's women only. But this is also the
Speaker 3: man who introduced the Wonder Woman as a child of
Speaker 3: of rape. So it's a very controversial thing. I don't
Speaker 3: know if we're going to end up on that route,
Speaker 3: but I did think it was an interesting hint where
Speaker 3: we were going with the show. Very dark, I'm sure,
Speaker 3: but I'm more interested to see if there's a way
Speaker 3: where it's like a almost kind of more of like
Speaker 3: an MRA type thing. But yeah, as soon as I.
Speaker 2: Had that, I was like, oh, I think that's what
Speaker 2: I feels like where they're going.
Speaker 3: It feels like where it's going.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the Sons of Themiscare have teamed up with
Speaker 2: super villain s or C and they are currently threatening
Speaker 2: the US ally of Pacola Stan and something's got to
Speaker 2: be done about it. But of course this is the
Speaker 2: kind of mission that you don't send the just The
Speaker 2: Justice League doesn't do shit like this. Superman doesn't do
Speaker 2: stuff like this, not done in this universe anyway. Uh
Speaker 2: So you kind of need a black ops group and
Speaker 2: that means Amanda Waller. That means bell Rea to go
Speaker 2: to Bell Reef.
Speaker 3: I'm like, who else do you go to? If you
Speaker 3: want to help, you need someone who is expendable, go
Speaker 3: to amandal Wala, the most evil person in the DC
Speaker 3: And in case you didn't know, this is still our
Speaker 3: real Amanda Walla voiced by Viola Davis, multiple award winning
Speaker 3: thespian and she here. She is basically as the first
Speaker 3: crossover talent that we are getting here from James Gunn's
Speaker 3: previous work to the DCU, of which this is the
Speaker 3: official first entry. So that's very exciting, but also Amanda
Speaker 3: Walla sort your life out because you are very bad person.
Speaker 2: So I believe Amanda Walla is there. She's meeting with
Speaker 2: Daddy Rick Flag, Dad Flag, Rick Flagg Senior.
Speaker 3: Who Oh, he's sexy.
Speaker 2: I think a little too sexy for me, A little
Speaker 2: too sexy and non grizzled. I like a grizzled Rick
Speaker 2: Flag Senior.
Speaker 3: I need a grizzled I need I need more grizzle.
Speaker 2: He's no, he looks kind of like Green Arrow anyway.
Speaker 3: Wells he's voiced by Frank Grilla, who's very grizzled. You'll
Speaker 3: get more grizzled friend.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Daddy Flag is going to lead a new team that
Speaker 2: Waller is going to provide, of course, the personnel for.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, after the debacle and Cordo Maltese, as seen
Speaker 2: in the second Suicide Side Squad movie, we can't use
Speaker 2: human superpowered agents anymore. That's off the table because they've
Speaker 2: decided after that death toll, we can't do it anymore.
Speaker 2: They're uncontrollable. And also they die and it's.
Speaker 3: Like they saved Quoto Maltese. They didn't listen to Walla.
Speaker 3: It was not a great time, we don't love the
Speaker 3: Suicide Squad project, I will say, very cool way to
Speaker 3: show how directly James Gunn sees these things connecting. Also
Speaker 3: interesting because those projects are not necessarily or haven't necessarily
Speaker 3: been talked about as being part of the DCU that
Speaker 3: specific project, but obviously we can see here that there
Speaker 3: is a direct connection, and.
Speaker 2: I love Yeah. I wonder how much like obviously I
Speaker 2: think live action to animated, to take those storylines and
Speaker 2: then connect them is rather easy. I do wonder how
Speaker 2: much we're going to see animated impact live action. Yeah,
Speaker 2: going forward in the gun verse.
Speaker 3: Something I think is cool is I do think that
Speaker 3: James gun is trying to make a statement with this
Speaker 3: being the first DCU project, especially because I believe that
Speaker 3: Rick Flagg Senior will be in peace Maker season two
Speaker 3: at played by Frank Rio. So I think that's pretty
Speaker 3: cool if they can do that, because I think for
Speaker 3: the average viewer of HBO Max dc projects, that will
Speaker 3: be a very quick way of saying, hey, both these
Speaker 3: things matter equally, and you better be watching the animated
Speaker 3: stuff if you can about what's going to be happening
Speaker 3: in peace Maker or Superman or any of the other
Speaker 3: projects we.
Speaker 2: Get so we can't use humans anymore. That leaves the monsters,
Speaker 2: of which Amandoler has several. We are introduced to the Bride,
Speaker 2: a dead woman of unknown origin, the radioactive doctor Phosphorus
Speaker 2: Weasel who we met in Suicide Squad, to the loan
Speaker 2: survivor in air quotes of the loan survivor in air
Speaker 2: quotes of the of the debacle at Cordo Maltese Giun.
Speaker 2: That's right, uh g I robot and advanced World War two.
Speaker 2: You're a terminator I who just loves to kill Nazis,
Speaker 2: wants to do it all day, all night, and wants
Speaker 2: to talk about it. And Nina a kind of a
Speaker 2: very sad amphibian scientist. The team boards a helicopter on
Speaker 2: route to Kolistan. The Bride has apparently been there before.
Speaker 2: We're going to find more about that the end of
Speaker 2: the episode. Uh. They land go to the Princess's palace
Speaker 2: in a military convoy. Weasel urinates in the humvey.
Speaker 3: You really get a sense that like a sense this
Speaker 3: is the edge Lord, like James Gun It's it's DC's invincible.
Speaker 3: I think that came across as a trailer and I
Speaker 3: think it comes across very much in the first episode.
Speaker 2: This is classic gun stuff exactly. I mean that he
Speaker 2: loves the weirdos. He loves weirdos finding family, and he
Speaker 2: is leaning into it big time here.
Speaker 3: He's also a super deep cut DC lover, and I
Speaker 3: was saying with Marvel, I mean nobody really like outside
Speaker 3: of comic book shops. Was a huge Guardians of the
Speaker 3: Galaxy fan before those MCU movies, So I think this
Speaker 3: is a great example of what he does well. But also,
Speaker 3: like your Miley, may vary depending on how much gore
Speaker 3: and pissing and that kind of stuff that you enjoy
Speaker 3: in these spaces, but if you're an invincible fan, I
Speaker 3: think you're probably going to find your new favorite show.
Speaker 2: In this one, they go to the palace and guess what, folks,
Speaker 2: the princesses gorgeous, beautiful woman. Flag Senior is struck by this,
Speaker 2: but he maintains for the moment his professional, you know character.
Speaker 2: There's some protocol issues and Alexi, the Princess's head of guards,
Speaker 2: pretends like he's going to have to execute Flag and
Speaker 2: he's like, Oh, you got scared. You thought I was
Speaker 2: going to kill you. You peuse your pants and then
Speaker 2: Flag gets riched the monsters and the palace guards. There
Speaker 2: are several references here to eighties pop culture from Alexi,
Speaker 2: and we kind of get the feeling that Alexi has
Speaker 2: not watched a television show or a movie that was
Speaker 2: released like after eighty eight or eighty nine.
Speaker 3: Yes, and also the Easterrike Hunt as they going to
Speaker 3: have a fun with this one. Yes, thanks to Alexi's
Speaker 3: lack of current pop culture knowledge.
Speaker 2: They have a feast. The commandos are eating really well
Speaker 2: because they have They've been eating Amanda Waller Bellery prison
Speaker 2: food for who knows how long. You know. Some of
Speaker 2: them are essentially immortal, so they might have been there
Speaker 2: for quite a while. The ancient Queen of Pacola Stan
Speaker 2: sits at the head of the table. She does not
Speaker 2: seem as if she's doing.
Speaker 3: Great, not doing well, not doing well.
Speaker 2: Nina, while they're sitting there, notices that Gi Robot doesn't
Speaker 2: have anything each, so she orders some diesel gas for him.
Speaker 2: Later on afterwards, after some digestifs, the Princess is playing
Speaker 2: fetch with Weasel. Gi Robot and Nina get to know
Speaker 2: each other and there seems to be I gotta say,
Speaker 2: some legitimate chemistry at least from GI Robots side, because
Speaker 2: GI Robots like Nina, I would love to kill Nazis
Speaker 2: with you. Would you like to get together sometimes?
Speaker 3: Isn't that? Isn't that romantic? Isn't that romantic?
Speaker 2: Also?
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking how funny it is a lot of times,
Speaker 3: you know, we're recapping stuff and you're we're kind of
Speaker 3: chatting about it, and if you haven't listened to it,
Speaker 3: then you might be like, kind of what's going on,
Speaker 3: or you might get a general sense of it.
Speaker 2: But this is definitely one.
Speaker 3: Of those shows where when you're recapping it, people would
Speaker 3: be like, what the fuck are you talking to?
Speaker 2: A weasel?
Speaker 3: And a robot's trying to have sex with like a
Speaker 3: sexy creature from the Black Lagoon? Like, but that's the
Speaker 3: magic of James gunfolksh.
Speaker 2: Flag and the Princess talk about Weasel, She's like, oh,
Speaker 2: so cute? Is what a nice guy?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Turns out weasel sadly killed like over two dozen children,
Speaker 2: which is he ended up?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Not great.
Speaker 2: The Princess is kind of complaining the Flag that Pecola Stan,
Speaker 2: you know, is not very developed, it's kind of backward,
Speaker 2: it's extremely corrupt, and she's hoping, although she doesn't say
Speaker 2: this explicitly, that when she's in charge, like she will
Speaker 2: get to modernize and you know, put in some progressive
Speaker 2: policies and change the country again. Chemistry, we're getting chemistry,
Speaker 2: certainly from chemistry.
Speaker 3: I'm like, how old is Rick Flaxenia though, is he
Speaker 3: like one of those one hundred and fifty year old
Speaker 3: DC characters?
Speaker 2: How old is the princess? And how old is Rick Fleggs?
Speaker 2: He here because this is an issue I know.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what's going on? Is she an ancient immortal vampire?
Speaker 3: Because otherwise it is feeling inappropriate.
Speaker 2: Flag talks about Flagg Junior, who very very sadly passed
Speaker 2: away at cal tomor weeked.
Speaker 3: We we like, if you haven't watched James the Suicide Squads,
Speaker 3: go and watch it. It is one of the best
Speaker 3: war movies ever made. Is one of the best DC
Speaker 3: movies ever made. Is one of the best superhero movies
Speaker 3: ever made. It's so freaking good and emotional and apparently
Speaker 3: very important to the creature and potentially the DCU.
Speaker 2: So I love this significant emotional uh like machinery comes
Speaker 2: from that Suicide Squad movie and Dad Flag in this
Speaker 2: private conversation with the princess is like, you know, you
Speaker 2: would have loved my son. You guys would have hit
Speaker 2: it all. He good looking kid, you're a you're a
Speaker 2: striking young woman, and you two would have, you know,
Speaker 2: enjoyed each other's company. And then the princess is like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm into Daddy's I'm into dad flags.
Speaker 3: So that's what we're into now. Is She's like, I
Speaker 3: don't want Joel Kineman.
Speaker 2: I don't think Joel Kineman is that, you know, charismitic
Speaker 2: in actor.
Speaker 3: She's incorrect.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about the grill.
Speaker 3: I want to get the grill.
Speaker 2: I want to get the So she goes up to
Speaker 2: her bedroom with a Flag senior in tow and she's like,
Speaker 2: I want to show you something, and Flag Senior's like,
Speaker 2: what do you got? And then she steps out of
Speaker 2: her dress. Flag singor is like, oh my god, what
Speaker 2: And she is really trying to raise that flag. She
Speaker 2: is trying to fuck fucking daddy Rick Flaggs.
Speaker 3: She's trying to raise the flag pole. It's happening.
Speaker 2: It's happening now. Flag very honorably declines he's got a
Speaker 2: job to do.
Speaker 3: Prof was a fat.
Speaker 2: That I'm like, Rick, good job.
Speaker 3: I feel like you're trying to show like there's like
Speaker 3: r rated behavior in this like you could have gone
Speaker 3: straight into it, but I like you're like, no, this
Speaker 3: character he's got integrety. He's got He maybe realizes this
Speaker 3: woman would be bater off with his dead son, so
Speaker 3: like he realizes that's not necessarily he.
Speaker 2: Doesn't want to create an international incident, and so he
Speaker 2: goes back to his bedroom and jerks off. Probably he
Speaker 2: doesn't do that.
Speaker 3: Probably, but let's be real.
Speaker 2: When the next scene happens, you see him on his phone,
Speaker 2: and my guess is this is five minutes after he
Speaker 2: just got down. Look, we're just being realistic, guys, and
Speaker 2: goes and immediately do his revage. I saw, and uh.
Speaker 2: We get a kind of sweeping, kind of uh conveyance
Speaker 2: of scenes that show us what's going on in the castle.
Speaker 2: Gi Robot is at the princess's door, talking to himself
Speaker 2: about how he loves to kill Nazis. Nina is taking
Speaker 2: a bath fully under the water. When she emerges, she
Speaker 2: notices that the bride has jumped out of the window
Speaker 2: and is leaving the castle. She follows. Nina tries she's
Speaker 2: trying to convince the bride to come back, you know,
Speaker 2: because Rick flagg Sor, as with previous suicide squad teams,
Speaker 2: has the ability through an app on his through the
Speaker 2: Bell Reeve app on his phone easy has the ability
Speaker 2: to like electrocute end or like explode any member of
Speaker 2: the of the Monster the Creature Commandos if he so
Speaker 2: wishes through this app. And She's like, we're gonna get
Speaker 2: electro shocked at the very least, but the.
Speaker 3: Bride's blown up, but the very wistle.
Speaker 2: But the bride is like who cares? She mugs a
Speaker 2: guard for some cash and then hails a cab. Flag
Speaker 2: wakes up to find that doctor Phosphorus is like going
Speaker 2: through his drawers of his like bag lies like trying
Speaker 2: to like rob him. They end up having a fight
Speaker 2: in which they a large part of the struggle is
Speaker 2: control over Flag's phone so he can't get into the
Speaker 2: app and blow up phosphorus head. They end up in
Speaker 2: the kitchen. As they fall through the floor, Flag and
Speaker 2: Phosphorus are like duking it out. The princess walks in
Speaker 2: on them, uh, and Flag beats Phosphorus, but then ultimately
Speaker 2: is like listen, if we can't if Waller finds out
Speaker 2: about this. We're all cooked, like the creature commanders are cooked.
Speaker 2: You are cooked. You're probably dead, and project and is cooked. Baby,
Speaker 2: it's gonna look bad for me. So like, let's just
Speaker 2: like sweep this under the rug and forget this ever happened.
Speaker 2: But don't try shit like this again. In the cab,
Speaker 2: Nina and Bride arrive at their destination. It's the castle
Speaker 2: of doctor Frankenstein.
Speaker 3: Oh don't dune. Also, I just want to say, Frankenstein, Nina,
Speaker 3: that's a girl's gal. Like she went with her. She
Speaker 3: was like, you know, you're not doing this by yourself.
Speaker 3: You're not doing this by yourself. That's a girl's gal.
Speaker 3: And now where did she end up? At the castle
Speaker 3: of doctor Frankenstein, which I'm sure just doesn't seem like
Speaker 3: it's gonna go well for anyone. So Nina and the
Speaker 3: Bride are on their feminist side quest and they arrive
Speaker 3: at the manor of Dr Frankenstein, where the bride was born.
Speaker 3: But bad news for them because local spy witnesses their
Speaker 3: arrival and she calls into her boss, not Victor Frankenstein,
Speaker 3: the doctor, but Eric Frankenstein, frank Stein's monster, and he says, Hey,
Speaker 3: the girlfriend your dad made for you, the one you've
Speaker 3: been looking for, She's back, baby, bab.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the first episode of Creature Commandments.
Speaker 3: I think I understand why James Gunn decided to start
Speaker 3: the DCU officially with this. It's like, really really solid
Speaker 3: like it. It's a no note type of situation. It's
Speaker 3: like a really really great pilot for a really weird
Speaker 3: animated show that probably no one but James Gunn could do. Also,
Speaker 3: and I feel like this is intentional and if not,
Speaker 3: I think that to the fans it will read as
Speaker 3: an important statement. We've talked about this a lot on
Speaker 3: the show. DC has for a very long time been
Speaker 3: seen as the four front runner in animated movies. For
Speaker 3: a long time before the MCU, people used to say
Speaker 3: DC was making the best superhero movies full stop, because
Speaker 3: they were still making animated films that hit really hard.
Speaker 3: So I think that this is a recognition of the
Speaker 3: importance of animation in the DC universe and also a
Speaker 3: statement of intent from James Gunn saying, Hey, this is
Speaker 3: gonna matter again, and not just that, but it's actually
Speaker 3: gonna shape what we're doing. The fact that they connect
Speaker 3: it to Suicide Squad, which, like I said, the Suicide
Speaker 3: Squad is one of my favorite movies. And also I
Speaker 3: love how strange James Gunn gets with it. Like, you know,
Speaker 3: I do know if I'm I really enjoy Invincible and stuff.
Speaker 3: But I'm a bit older now, you know, I don't
Speaker 3: necessarily need every cartoon to be like an rated cartoon
Speaker 3: like Invincible, same vox MARKA, even though they're both great.
Speaker 3: But for me, the heart of the characters is their
Speaker 3: little choices flag not sleeping with the princess, flag letting
Speaker 3: Dr Foster for us off. He's already building those found
Speaker 3: family moments, and also the intrigue of you know, for
Speaker 3: a lot of people these characters, except for the bride,
Speaker 3: who is recognizable as obviously like the Bride of Frankenstein,
Speaker 3: they are not necessarily hugely recognizable characters, even like Nina
Speaker 3: is a take on you know, the creature from the
Speaker 3: back of the Lagoon. But what a clever hook to
Speaker 3: have them end at a really really famous literary and
Speaker 3: cinematic location that immediately draws people in, even if they
Speaker 3: might feel like this is a little bit far outside
Speaker 3: of the ven diagram of like a list of superheroes.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's really good. I also think
Speaker 3: that I'm so interested to see how James gun balances
Speaker 3: something like this and the tonal nature of something like
Speaker 3: this with having Superman being his first live action movie
Speaker 3: like Sons of Demiscerret, is that going to be something
Speaker 3: we see in super Man? Is he seeding stuff here
Speaker 3: that will lead in That's very fun to think about,
Speaker 3: and also Superman needs to be We haven't had like
Speaker 3: a pure hearted golden boy Superman in live action for
Speaker 3: a long time, you know, post Man of Steel and everything.
Speaker 3: So I'm and you know he's releasing images with Crypto
Speaker 3: the Superdog and Superman, so I feel like we're gonna
Speaker 3: get that. So I'm just interested to see how those
Speaker 3: two blend together. But I do think if anyone can
Speaker 3: do it, it's it's James Gunn.
Speaker 2: What do you think the the body count is going to.
Speaker 3: Be here with the I think it's going to be
Speaker 3: so high.
Speaker 2: It is a feature of the Amanda.
Speaker 3: Waller, Yeah, Teamanda wall of Us.
Speaker 2: That they many of them don't come back. That's so
Speaker 2: I will say.
Speaker 3: I do think he's done something quite clever here, which
Speaker 3: is he is Essentially, these are characters who it's very
Speaker 3: easy to give plot armor two Robot Dot Fosporus like
Speaker 3: weird science y blaming guy. Nina essentially could be immortal.
Speaker 3: She's like a creature from the back of the bride.
Speaker 3: You can take her apart and put her back together again.
Speaker 3: So I hope, I hope that they will probably last
Speaker 3: a while. There isn't a huge, massive cast of characters
Speaker 3: like there was for that the Suer Squad Side Squad movie,
Speaker 3: but I do think that we're going to get a
Speaker 3: lot more death than we got in this first episode.
Speaker 3: I would assume that by episode two, episode three, we're
Speaker 3: seeing quite a lot of righteous killing because because the
Speaker 3: creature Kimandos have always been that last ditch squad that
Speaker 3: you send in when it's need them to come back
Speaker 3: or if you need them to be painted as villains,
Speaker 3: which is obviously the same as the Suicide Squad, but
Speaker 3: here it's even easier because you can convince really anyone
Speaker 3: that a monster is the worst person to have in
Speaker 3: the space. So I'm very interested. I will be very
Speaker 3: intrigued to see how this lands as well, because let's
Speaker 3: be real, X Men ninety seven was easily one of
Speaker 3: the biggest shows of the year, So I think people
Speaker 3: are primed for great animation and primed to take great
Speaker 3: animation as seriously as they take live action. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be gonna be interesting to see where it
Speaker 3: goes next.
Speaker 2: Creature Commanders Episode two, following directly on the heels of
Speaker 2: episode one, Episode one, Rosie We opened in eighteen thirty one.
Speaker 2: Mm hm Picola, Stan Victor Frankenstein, the creator and father
Speaker 2: of his son Eric frank Sismonster are arguing about whether
Speaker 2: it is more and right for Dad to make Eric
Speaker 2: a girlfriend. Is No, this is an edge old fable, guys, No,
Speaker 2: it's not right, but Eric is is extremely lonely and
Speaker 2: frustrated and it's making him kind of violent. Uh. Dad
Speaker 2: shows the body parts that his mortician has acquired for
Speaker 2: this process, an area he's in love with. We go
Speaker 2: to the present. The bride and Nina are in the
Speaker 2: you know, the abandoned Frankenstein's mansion and they're we're kind
Speaker 2: of looking around. Nina's like, why are we here? And
Speaker 2: the bride doesn't want to want to say back of
Speaker 2: the palace flag. Fresh off his fight with doctor Phosphorus,
Speaker 2: he is bleeding, he's bruised, he's in the bathroom. Uh,
Speaker 2: he is considering. He's got his phone open, so he's
Speaker 2: like considering whether to cook the creature commandos with his
Speaker 2: electrical charge on his phone app.
Speaker 3: I love this so much as well, because, like you know,
Speaker 3: there's always that debate of like do you use the
Speaker 3: phone and the bass him or not? Like who does
Speaker 3: and who does it? And it's like when we talk
Speaker 3: about it, we're talking about like do you scroll Instagram
Speaker 3: or like message your friends when you're in the bathroom.
Speaker 3: And he's like in there with this universal conversation like
Speaker 3: what should I do in the bathroom? Should I kill
Speaker 3: all these people or not kill them with my app
Speaker 3: in my phone? And I was like, great, this is fantastic.
Speaker 3: So the Princess is ministering to his wounds.
Speaker 2: She closes the door, and you know, she's wiping the
Speaker 2: blood off and all the wild flags. I understand that
Speaker 2: this is like, obviously this is not ideal. I'm here
Speaker 2: to protect you and I just got in a fight
Speaker 2: with one of my team, but I promise I'm they'll
Speaker 2: protect you. Under protect your government. We go back to Cossa.
Speaker 2: Frankistein Nina continues to, you know, just kind of probe
Speaker 2: about you know, what was it like here with the
Speaker 2: mansion you were born, here was like, uh, they find
Speaker 2: Victor's lab. Nina is very impressed by this, and the
Speaker 2: bride shows Nina the table where she was reanimated. This
Speaker 2: is interesting to me because what it suggests, Rosie is
Speaker 2: that in this DC universe, there is no Mary Shelley
Speaker 2: never wrote Frankenstein. Right, there's no there's no Frankenstein movies.
Speaker 3: This is just.
Speaker 2: That's right, They've never seen this in movies.
Speaker 3: Like, it's just this really interesting too, because the version
Speaker 3: of the Brider Frankenstein movie is actually like a play
Speaker 3: on Mary Shelley's life, so like, the whole thing is
Speaker 3: really surreal. And I love that you pointed that out
Speaker 3: because I think we're getting a lot of conversation, rightly so,
Speaker 3: and discourse about like what has James gunn canonized with
Speaker 3: this show. Peacemaker obviously, the Suicide Squad obviously, but I
Speaker 3: love that it's also establishing, like, no, some of your
Speaker 3: most famous fables in the world, your most famous folkloric tales,
Speaker 3: the first science fiction but the whole time don't exist.
Speaker 2: It doesn't Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I recognize this from the movie. So this is
Speaker 3: like Frankenstein came and like, woke you up? Right? No, no,
Speaker 3: I wonder how that will impact the world going forward.
Speaker 2: I'm very insighted. I wonder, right. So Nina and the
Speaker 2: Bride argue about whether Nina is human. The Bride's like,
Speaker 2: you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't.
Speaker 2: You don't understand what it's like to be me or
Speaker 2: the rest of the team because you're a person. She's like,
Speaker 2: I'm not a person, creature.
Speaker 3: Commando like you.
Speaker 2: She's like, no, you're just like a person with gills,
Speaker 2: Like it's not You're not like that.
Speaker 3: It's like such an outrageous thing to say, because it's like, babe,
Speaker 3: guess what, You're just like human parts chopped up and
Speaker 3: put back together. Like surely you're actually arguably more human
Speaker 3: if you really need that.
Speaker 2: Nina's like, what are we looking for? And she's like
Speaker 2: a necklace, a tormaline necklace. We see war history of
Speaker 2: the Bride. We see Victor teaching her to teaching her
Speaker 2: to speak. When she was awakened, she had no higher functions.
Speaker 2: She was, you know, didn't know anything. So while Victor
Speaker 2: is teaching her you know, the rudimentary speech. Eric is
Speaker 2: increasingly impatient. He just wants to make out with his
Speaker 2: girlfriend that was created for him, and Victor is like, no,
Speaker 2: we have to we have to get her so that
Speaker 2: she understands you.
Speaker 3: Can't just have sex with this woman with the brain
Speaker 3: of a baby. Yes, correct, Sorry guys. In the meanwhile,
Speaker 3: you know, Victor's teaching her words. He shows her this
Speaker 3: necklace and she is enchanted by it and clearly still is.
Speaker 2: We go to the present. The sons of them Ascia
Speaker 2: have been informed by the spy and they and Circe
Speaker 2: now know that Nina and the bride are at the
Speaker 2: doctor Frankenstein's house. We go to the palace present day.
Speaker 2: I feel like this.
Speaker 3: Is like if I have an issue, I like, I don't.
Speaker 3: I guess, like I still don't really understand same the
Speaker 3: central issue.
Speaker 2: Like I was, whyte Pacola stead?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like why is she doing the side quest? I
Speaker 3: like the side quest? You know, David Habba playing Frankenstein.
Speaker 3: That's a great costing. Like, I love this idea, but
Speaker 3: I feel like trying to so far it hasn't shown
Speaker 3: me how it kind of ties him with this large
Speaker 3: and narrative and I'm fine with that, But then having
Speaker 3: it be like Circe and thermoscare Circe and the sons
Speaker 3: of Thermoscara now know they're there, I'm like, why does
Speaker 3: that matter? Like why I.
Speaker 2: Need a little bit more, you know, about what their
Speaker 2: plan is? Because I agree with you. It's a little
Speaker 2: bit like why are we here? M hm, small note. Anyway,
Speaker 2: back in the palace the princess, why are we here?
Speaker 2: It finally happens boo.
Speaker 3: We were giving him so much credit episode wrong. We
Speaker 3: were like, this man has integrity, this man knows what's
Speaker 3: wrong or right, and he does not.
Speaker 2: The princess, uh, you know, really puts the burners to
Speaker 2: the flag Senior and makes it clear that she would
Speaker 2: like to take things physical. And so then, much like
Speaker 2: Sonny and the Godfather won, he and the Princess fuck
Speaker 2: in the bathroom, says could.
Speaker 3: I feel Yeah, go anywhere else.
Speaker 2: As the rest of the Creature commandos plus Alexi, chief
Speaker 2: of the guards outside listen to this happening, we go
Speaker 2: back to Frankencin's mansion. The bride continues to reminisce er ed.
Speaker 2: We see that in the past Eric kind of strangles
Speaker 2: his dad not to death, but strangles him because he's
Speaker 2: so frustrated in not being able to touch the bride.
Speaker 3: Yet he's like so horny that he asks to try
Speaker 3: and kill his dad, who has been in the present,
Speaker 3: Nina finds a necklace good for help in the past.
Speaker 2: Victor teaches the bride to speak. The bride clearly enjoys
Speaker 2: Victor's company. The chemistry starts flowing a little bit. Victor
Speaker 2: gives her the necklace and he says romantically it's from
Speaker 2: one of the cadavers, and she's like, I love it
Speaker 2: now pause here, this plus flags a little too much
Speaker 2: daddy stuff, a lot.
Speaker 3: Of weird daddy issue, like.
Speaker 2: Because he's kind of HER's if.
Speaker 1: He's Eric's father, he is also hurt he is also
Speaker 1: the bride's father.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I just also feel like, if you're gonna this,
Speaker 3: I agree with you completely. Here. I was definitely like, look,
Speaker 3: if you want to have multiple weird toxic relationships, that's fine. Yeah,
Speaker 3: DC comics is known for them. All comics are known
Speaker 3: for them. But why do they all have to be
Speaker 3: like weird daddy issue toxic relationships, Like, like's mix it
Speaker 3: up a little bit, Let's make a different kind of trope.
Speaker 2: Let's let's put a pin at it, because I want
Speaker 2: to I want to return to this conversation when this
Speaker 2: this particular plot line escalatees. So we go to the
Speaker 2: present where the Bride pretends she takes the necklace from
Speaker 2: Nina and pretends like she doesn't really care about it,
Speaker 2: but it's not important, but she wants it. Uh. Just
Speaker 2: then Circe arrives and blasts the Bride with her blast
Speaker 2: through the from the outside of the house back of
Speaker 2: the palace creature Commando's plus flag plus Alexi or getting
Speaker 2: ready to drive to Frankenstein's where Circe and the Bride
Speaker 2: are duking it out while the sons of Semiscira are
Speaker 2: invading the house.
Speaker 3: Why Like why are they going there? This is what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, I'm like, how did it? It doesn't
Speaker 3: to me feel like that connection of the side quest
Speaker 3: And I guess he has like find my location on
Speaker 3: his phone, probably with the creature kmmandos and he's like, well,
Speaker 3: I've had sex with the princess now, but I go
Speaker 3: find out what my team is.
Speaker 2: But I guess, you know, I guess he was like, well,
Speaker 2: I thought this might We're in Pekolistan, so this mansions there,
Speaker 2: so she did love that necklace, she didn't love that,
Speaker 2: and so I figured, you know, this might be a
Speaker 2: possibility that she might sneak away and go back to
Speaker 2: where she was born like that happened.
Speaker 3: I just feel like they could have just had the
Speaker 3: mission originally be to go to Frankenstein's palace and Frankenstein's
Speaker 3: castle and we didn't necessarily need the princess plot line.
Speaker 2: I will say this written and directed by James Gunn
Speaker 2: both episodes. James Gunn busy guy, a lot of projects
Speaker 2: to oversee, to going to produce, et cetera. And I
Speaker 2: enjoyed these episodes quite a bit. That said, light on story,
Speaker 2: and I feel like vibes light on story, Yeah, big
Speaker 2: on action. James Gun's a busy guy. That's what my
Speaker 2: bottom line is.
Speaker 3: I also did just have a bit of a revelation,
Speaker 3: which is, like you said, many projects, and also anything
Speaker 3: he does in this show immediately becomes canon and sets
Speaker 3: this kind of stage. So maybe the fact, maybe you
Speaker 3: go for more vibes and character interactions and character moments
Speaker 3: than necessarily like a strict narrative, because as soon as
Speaker 3: you start laying down those hard narrative choices, they become canon.
Speaker 3: So doing it a little bosa, I think is it
Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense actually, And also like the
Speaker 3: Circy Bride fight is like very cool.
Speaker 2: It's very cool. So we get this wonderful fight between
Speaker 2: the Bride, the sons of Themiscarra, and Circe, where it
Speaker 2: ends up with the bride kind of leaping outside with
Speaker 2: Nina under her arm into a group of sons. She
Speaker 2: kills all the sons very easily, and then she tells
Speaker 2: Nina like run. Then Circe and the Bride start fighting.
Speaker 2: The fight carries back into the house, into the lab
Speaker 2: where she was born, and that is where the bride
Speaker 2: loses focus because she remembers on that very table where
Speaker 2: she was born she also fucked Victor Frankstein.
Speaker 3: Come on, like, could you not just like not have
Speaker 3: that flashback at that very.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, here's my here's my note, and
Speaker 2: this is James Gunn So I get it, and this
Speaker 2: is is vibe. I will say this. I think that
Speaker 2: there are other ways to show that somebody loved somebody
Speaker 2: else that aren't just like they're fucking like. There are
Speaker 2: other things and I.
Speaker 3: Feel like you could have had like a tender moment
Speaker 3: like the bromance, so like the books that they or
Speaker 3: some of that kind of Gothic romance that isn't just
Speaker 3: like hey, they're fucking they're fucking younger, woman's fucking adapt bigger. Hey.
Speaker 3: Also like it's hilarious the idea that like, you know,
Speaker 3: she has that like moment and instead of it like
Speaker 3: distracting her from a job, but as a barista, as
Speaker 3: it does for many of us, it's like, oh no,
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about how I was fucking this guy and
Speaker 3: now I'm gonna lose this fight that's gonna end the world.
Speaker 3: It's like it's silly, but I get it.
Speaker 2: So Circe starts winning the fight because the Bride is
Speaker 2: lost in these memories about her fucking her father figure
Speaker 2: Victor Frankenstein end. When this happened, Eric who is like
Speaker 2: eight foot tall and somehow managed just such so intense
Speaker 2: was their pleasure that they did not realize that Eric
Speaker 2: had snuck into a room and seen them. Now the
Speaker 2: Bride managed just to rally in the fight, and it's
Speaker 2: kind of even also has radio flag and when that
Speaker 2: has been more suns sneak up on her. They shoot
Speaker 2: her helmet and her water leaks out and she begins
Speaker 2: to suffocate. Meanwhile, the Bride gets pushed off the roof
Speaker 2: by Circe and she falls right next to Nina, and
Speaker 2: now they're lying together in this state of severe injury.
Speaker 2: We get the final reminiscence. The bride returns to the
Speaker 2: castle to find that Eric has murdered doctor Frankenstein because
Speaker 2: he feels like Dad was standing in the way of
Speaker 2: them getting together and now they can really be together.
Speaker 2: She sets Eric on fire, great flees the castle, and
Speaker 2: then we see a montage of her fighting Eric, who
Speaker 2: is basically her stalker throughout the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, great, great moment here. If you're looking for
Speaker 3: Easter eggs, think about how this connects.
Speaker 2: Yeahs.
Speaker 3: Eric is wearing this yellow Ultra Bunny T shirt and
Speaker 3: it was like a T shirt Rick flag War in
Speaker 3: the Suicide Squad movie. And somebody this up to James
Speaker 3: Gunn on the interwebs and he said, oh, and this
Speaker 3: is an interesting piece of cannon. He said in his
Speaker 3: DCU Ultra Bunny is like one of the most famous
Speaker 3: cartoon characters in the world. So that sounds like he's
Speaker 3: gonna that's gonna probably come up. But like, I'm at
Speaker 3: a crossroads at the end of this episode because I
Speaker 3: do like the idea of like this kind of twist
Speaker 3: on the Frankenstein mythology and this twist on having Frankenstein
Speaker 3: as part of the Creech Commandos, but also like I
Speaker 3: would just like love to just have like a bad
Speaker 3: ass brider Frankenstein who hadn't been stalked for like two
Speaker 3: hundred years.
Speaker 2: He's he won't join, right, they can't have it er.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, but I will say he is
Speaker 3: in a lot of the promotional materials. Yeah, so I'm interested.
Speaker 2: And David Harbor is the voice.
Speaker 3: David Harbor is the voice, and David Harbor has been
Speaker 3: out here doing interviews, including a really fantastic interview with
Speaker 3: my brilliant French Woul's Chin at DC dot Com. Just
Speaker 3: absolutely lovely chat. So I feel like that means he
Speaker 3: is going to be a major player, but maybe maybe
Speaker 3: is an intagon antagonist, which would be because I think
Speaker 3: you can't I think did this you can't have him
Speaker 3: in the team.
Speaker 2: He's been stalking this woman for two hundred and forty
Speaker 2: years or something like or one hundred and eighty years,
Speaker 2: like he can't he can't be a good guy, right, No,
Speaker 2: it feels bad anyway, Nina and the Bride are they're injured,
Speaker 2: and the Bride is like, I'm sorry to Tanina, and Nina
Speaker 2: like coughingly, suffocatingly says, go fuck yourself, and then they
Speaker 2: are taken prisoner by the suns. Don don da, I'm
Speaker 2: enjoying it. I'm enjoying Suture commandos. I have some small
Speaker 2: notes as we Yes, as we have mentioned, yes, we
Speaker 2: think the Daddy still a little bit too much of
Speaker 2: the Daddy. And again I think that like not every
Speaker 2: act of love needs to be a a really like
Speaker 2: intense exactly. Yeah, you see Victor Frankensigin's like buns like
Speaker 2: cle and.
Speaker 3: He's getting that that bringing all those people to life
Speaker 3: is apparently really good for your cardio. But okay, what
Speaker 3: I saw a lot of controversy online basically people thinking
Speaker 3: that Nina was dead at the end of this episode
Speaker 3: or was gonna go way at no way, right, no, Nina,
Speaker 3: miss I feel like with these first two episodes, they've
Speaker 3: really set Nina and the Bride up as kind of
Speaker 3: the main characters, so I would completely I think episode three,
Speaker 3: we're probably going to find out more about the Sons
Speaker 3: of Themiscare are find out if they truly are the
Speaker 3: abandoned sons of the Women of Themiscira, which was only
Speaker 3: in like one kind of version of the the legend.
Speaker 3: If that is the case, it's going to be very
Speaker 3: interesting to see where the DCU version of Wonder Woman
Speaker 3: kind of what direction it goes, because the general version
Speaker 3: of Wonder Woman's creation is she was made of clay
Speaker 3: by her mother brought to life, but in the version
Speaker 3: with the Sons of Themiscara, the comic book version, she
Speaker 3: is Hippotolys raped by Zeus and then that's how Wonder
Speaker 3: Woman is born. So I'm interested to see where they go.
Speaker 3: But I think it feels to me, especially in a
Speaker 3: world post she Hulk, that kind of did such a
Speaker 3: good job of predicting what the fandom would say. With
Speaker 3: the case of the kind of MRA characters, I think
Speaker 3: it's more likely that this is going to be some
Speaker 3: kind of modern like Andrew Tait inspired movement. But they've
Speaker 3: taken the name because you know, men aren't allowed on demisteras,
Speaker 3: so they see that as oppression.
Speaker 2: What does Amanda Waller do all day? What is her
Speaker 2: work day? Like I think she's just.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, playing Candy Crush because honestly she's not.
Speaker 3: She is like not focused and her job like it's
Speaker 3: kipy hard. And also she has like a she has
Speaker 3: a daughter we now know, the peace Maker, So I'm like,
Speaker 3: is she just like at home with the family pretending
Speaker 3: to be like a homemaker, And also like why is
Speaker 3: she always sending these unstable men to be in charge
Speaker 3: of her teams? Like like, couldn't you just have like
Speaker 3: one person, could a James Gunn's wife who seems like
Speaker 3: a very sensible moral person in the DCU that agent
Speaker 3: shouldn't couldn't she go? I understand they're meant to be dispensable,
Speaker 3: But I feel like the more Amanda Waller in the
Speaker 3: DCU goes forward, the less sensible her choices are around
Speaker 3: these teams, like bringing peace Baker into it, like he's
Speaker 3: a psycho. His dad was literally like a Nazi, Like
Speaker 3: this is a terrible idea. And now it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you got this team with a guy who's too distracted
Speaker 3: having sex so he can't even blow people up when
Speaker 3: they run off to Frankenstein's fucking a client. Amanda, Amanda,
Speaker 3: you sent them to the place where the Bride of
Speaker 3: Frankenstein was created, and then you just expected her to
Speaker 3: stay there, he head blowing up.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you send a different agent. You don't need
Speaker 2: to send the bride to Coli. Stant I feel like
Speaker 2: just anyone else. But yeah, I wonder.
Speaker 3: I do think she's just like scrolling. She's just like
Speaker 3: scrolling and going to bellrare like taunting criminals. You know,
Speaker 3: she's a bad person, but definitely not a busy person
Speaker 3: because she is never doing the work, never do She's
Speaker 3: always sending someone else to do it.
Speaker 2: Coming up next, let's talk about some of the comic
Speaker 2: book roots of the Creature play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're back, Okay, Rosie.
Speaker 2: For those of our audience who aren't you know Superversion
Speaker 2: into DC or Creature Commandos in general, what are some
Speaker 2: of the things that we should know as we go
Speaker 2: into Creature Commandos the animated show.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's just start with the origins. Preach Commandoes
Speaker 3: were first introduced in Weird War Tales ninety three, classic
Speaker 3: DC title you've probably never heard of, but they were
Speaker 3: created by J. M. D. Pat Broderick, John Salado, Adrian
Speaker 3: Roy and Ben Oder obviously first two names there are
Speaker 3: massive names in combook history, and essentially it's like a
Speaker 3: reimagining of a war comic where Frank sized monster, a werewolf,
Speaker 3: and a vampire universal monsters by any other name are
Speaker 3: essentially pitted against Nazis in World War Two. And it
Speaker 3: was very b movie ish, very pulpy. But the thing
Speaker 3: that I think is really really interesting is that Dimitaeus
Speaker 3: basically came up with a great twist on why and
Speaker 3: how they were created, which was essentially that in an
Speaker 3: alternate World War Two, the US government wants to psychologically
Speaker 3: horrify their enemies on the battlefield, and they discovered that
Speaker 3: the most terrifying archetypes are the ones that humans have created,
Speaker 3: and they basically recreate them. But the thing that I
Speaker 3: think is really interesting that I'm most intrigued to see
Speaker 3: if they bring into Crete Commando's the TV series and
Speaker 3: like future versions of it, Mattheus Essentially Dimitaeus actually like
Speaker 3: made it so they were all experimented on and it's
Speaker 3: like very horrific, and like the were wolf is this
Speaker 3: guy called Warren Griffith who suffered from a mental illness
Speaker 3: that made him think he was alike in Thrope, and
Speaker 3: then they basically like forced him to manifest a physical
Speaker 3: version of it through torture. And then they didn't recruit
Speaker 3: an actual Dracula, they found this guy, Vincent Velcro, who
Speaker 3: is also back again in the really brilliant current DC
Speaker 3: Horror presents Creature Commando's book written by David Desmulchin and
Speaker 3: DC on screen Legend two, and he was essentially like
Speaker 3: a prisoner of war after committing a numerous amounts of crime,
Speaker 3: and they basically were like, will you agree to hundreds
Speaker 3: of months of like horrible torture to evade your sentence?
Speaker 3: And then he didn't know, or you guess he didn't
Speaker 3: know from reading the issues that they were going to
Speaker 3: inject him with bats blood and he turns into a vampire.
Speaker 3: And then the saddest one is is the Frankenstein's Monster
Speaker 3: one is essentially a vet who was blown up by
Speaker 3: a lamb mine and then gets put back together. So
Speaker 3: it's like it could have been like this really simplistic
Speaker 3: story that you just go like, whoa monsters fighting in
Speaker 3: World War two? But Demitis plays it with like absolute
Speaker 3: emotional heft from the very first bubble, speech, bubble and
Speaker 3: thought bubble that you get and caption is essentially this
Speaker 3: emotionally complex story where at the end like they kind
Speaker 3: of have this realization where even though obviously when they're
Speaker 3: fighting nazis great, but the real story is actually about
Speaker 3: the horrors of war and the way that soldiers are
Speaker 3: treated and the kind of exploitation of prisoners, all stuff
Speaker 3: that I think James Gunn covered really beautifully in the
Speaker 3: Suicide Squad movie. So I'm really interested to see how
Speaker 3: deep they go. For example, later on in the series,
Speaker 3: I do feel like this is something that James Gunn
Speaker 3: would not be afraid to touch on. But they're in
Speaker 3: the Children's Crusade, which was a story they had years
Speaker 3: before the more famous Marvel's Children's Crusade. They basically face
Speaker 3: off against like a group of child soldiers that Hitler trained,
Speaker 3: and while the monsters won't kill them, their evil leader,
Speaker 3: who I'm interested to see if he comes into it,
Speaker 3: because he is in the current comic and he's basically
Speaker 3: the true monster, is like the marine who's in charge
Speaker 3: of them, Matthew Shreve, who's like really evil. He does
Speaker 3: kill the children and then that is basically has this
Speaker 3: really famous line where the vampire Vincent Valkro great name,
Speaker 3: he basically says, like, in this contest, nobody wins, and
Speaker 3: it's like really bleak over the dead bodies of the kids.
Speaker 3: So I feel like this is very ripe for James Gunn.
Speaker 3: I feel like he's already, like I said, he's already
Speaker 3: done all a lot of that stuff in The Suicide Squad.
Speaker 3: I found that movie to be like incredibly moving and
Speaker 3: deep and kind of powerful, And I think he is
Speaker 3: so quickly connecting that movie to the show because he
Speaker 3: sees those parallels and in the New Creature Kimano's book
Speaker 3: that Smulchin's definitely doing the same thing. So I'm interested
Speaker 3: to see The first episode was very much in that
Speaker 3: Invincible vein kind of funny, kind of sexy, kind of violent.
Speaker 3: But I'm interested to see how quickly it beers closer
Speaker 3: to the comic book origins, where it's a bit more
Speaker 3: of a melancholy, a bit more of a sadness. Now,
Speaker 3: I will say some of James Gunn's work got into
Speaker 3: the Galaxy until the third movie, which obviously had this
Speaker 3: huge kind of storyline about exploitation, torture, and testing on animals,
Speaker 3: but some of sometimes he prefers to do something a
Speaker 3: little lighter, a little more fun. But I do feel like, generally,
Speaker 3: especially the origins of the Heroes and Creature Commandos is
Speaker 3: much more melancholy and weird and sad and deep than
Speaker 3: you would expect, even though like throughout the years they've
Speaker 3: been all different kinds of of in, all different kinds
Speaker 3: of comics and all different kinds of guys is But yeah,
Speaker 3: that my gut says there might be more to this
Speaker 3: than meets that.
Speaker 2: I watch the team itself, The Bride, Doctor Posteros, wesel Gia, Robertina.
Speaker 3: The interesting thing here is they didn't include Matthew Shreve,
Speaker 3: which I think is really interesting because he's generally seen
Speaker 3: as like that store, that kind of application of like
Speaker 3: the real monsters of the humans. It's also interesting that
Speaker 3: we have Rick Flagg Senior because in the Suicide Squad,
Speaker 3: Rick Flegg Junior is actually right the person with the
Speaker 3: moral heart at this center of the story who ends
Speaker 3: up being spoiler alert if you haven't seen this movie
Speaker 3: from a few years ago, killed by Peacemaker in order
Speaker 3: to keep Amanda Waller's secret that the Americans were behind
Speaker 3: the Quarto Maltese kind of horrific torture and experiments that
Speaker 3: were going on. So I would imagine that Rick Flaxenia
Speaker 3: has ulterior motives. I think we'll be hopefully seeing him
Speaker 3: in Peacemaker on some kind of revenge. But interestingly, this
Speaker 3: is from what I've researched and read like, this is
Speaker 3: mostly a new team, not having like a Frank like
Speaker 3: having the Bride instead of your classic Francancised monster really cool,
Speaker 3: a new thing. Also having Nina Mazerski rather than having
Speaker 3: like one of the DC aquatic characters or like a
Speaker 3: male creature from the Black Lagoon. There are some characters
Speaker 3: who cross over, but this is honestly pretty new territory.
Speaker 3: And interestingly, Vincent Velcro is like one of the recurring characters,
Speaker 3: and obviously we don't have him so far, so I
Speaker 3: think James Gunn is trying to say this is a
Speaker 3: new thing. I also wouldn't be surprised if we get
Speaker 3: like a flashback episode that reveals this isn't like the
Speaker 3: first team that Amanda Walla has done this with.
Speaker 2: Is Nina Maserski. I've always wondered this is she related
Speaker 2: to Abe Sabien.
Speaker 3: Dude, I'm always thinking that, but Abe Sapien. Technically, I
Speaker 3: know it's a different I know it's it's a different universe,
Speaker 3: but like, but we'll still need feels like especially I
Speaker 3: think also like it's easy to think of that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff.
Speaker 2: Because and they have the same they do the same.
Speaker 3: Look, so similar stuff. Also, Nina Mazerski's created by Jeff
Speaker 3: Lamiir and Ibrahm Robinson and obviously Roberson and obviously Jeff
Speaker 3: Lamir had dark Horse books at the same time.
Speaker 2: Black by the Way, a major recurring character in the
Speaker 2: Hellboy universe.
Speaker 3: By Mike mcgnola, who used to do DC stuff did
Speaker 3: Gotham by Gaslamp, one of the coolest Batman kind of
Speaker 3: Elseworld stories that the originator of the Elseworld story really
Speaker 3: and they were at dark Horse at the same time.
Speaker 3: And I do feel like when Jeff introduced her in
Speaker 3: Frankenstein Agents of Shade, which was obviously a riff on
Speaker 3: Agents of Shield, I do think that this must have
Speaker 3: been in his head. Like I feel like it's one
Speaker 3: of those things where like if your friend, like Jason,
Speaker 3: if me and you were doing different books, and you
Speaker 3: were doing a book at DC and I was doing
Speaker 3: a book at Marvel. We would definitely create some kind
Speaker 3: of headcanon where we're like, yeah, these are brothers and sisters,
Speaker 3: and then ten years later, when we're famous enough to
Speaker 3: we'd be like, hey, so what turns out they are really? Yeah,
Speaker 3: it turns out they're related. Sorry, you know, if you
Speaker 3: if you don't like to hear it, Jim shoot R
Speaker 3: or whoever's in charge, But like I will be. I'm
Speaker 3: just interested to see what happens. Because Nina also does
Speaker 3: have a in the Jeff Lamier version, she is like
Speaker 3: one of the originators of the Creature Commandos, which I
Speaker 3: do think potentially we could see here. Also, she lost
Speaker 3: like her kid at like the terminal illness, which kind
Speaker 3: of moved her towards science, so we could get some
Speaker 3: of that could also explain why she's such a girl's girl. Also, interestingly,
Speaker 3: she has connections to like the atom and stuff. I
Speaker 3: think Nina could be our main I feel like she
Speaker 3: might emerge as the main character, even though this episode,
Speaker 3: I will say I feel like she was more on
Speaker 3: a side quest. But I do think that she is
Speaker 3: important and hey, you know Mike Mignolo, Jeff Lamira. If
Speaker 3: you want to come on here and reveal that we
Speaker 3: are correct, please, You're always welcome.
Speaker 2: We love both of you. Well, we are going to
Speaker 2: continue to cover Creature Commandos and if you really want
Speaker 2: us to continue, yeah, please please let us number and
Speaker 2: we could continue to watch it at the very least. Well.
Speaker 2: In the next episode of Extra Vision, we're diving into
Speaker 2: Dune Prophecy one oh four and Skeleton Crew episode one
Speaker 2: O three Thursday. Plus next week we've got more TV recaps,
Speaker 2: video game breakdowns, and of course more of our Egger's retrospective.
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