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Speaker 2: You will going to be talking about the first two

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Speaker 3: Cabago, So watch that first before you listen to this.

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Speaker 2: Governor. Hello, It is Jesus Gon's episode. And I'm Rosie

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Speaker 2: Knight from across the Pond, Rosie Night.

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Speaker 3: I'm in Johnson, good Old Blighty. Back again.

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Speaker 1: And welcome back to extra revision of the podcast movie

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Speaker 1: Dive Deep. Is your favorite shows, movies and comics and

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Speaker 2: We're bringing you three weekly episodes every Tuesday Thursday, with

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Speaker 3: How Lucky you are? And in this episode, we're bringing

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Speaker 3: you up Big bad b movie banger of a double

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Speaker 3: feature with Creature Commandos episodes one and two. What do

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Speaker 3: to know where the Creature Commandos come from in the comics.

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Speaker 3: We got you covered. But first, I previously on Marvel

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Speaker 3: Rivals is here out and me and Jason are doing

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna talk about that in the airlock. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna break down those first two episodes Creature Commandos in

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Speaker 2: But first previously on Okay Marvel Rivals, we are playing

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Speaker 3: James gun is trying to make a statement with this

437
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 3: being the first DCU project, especially because I believe that

438
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 3: Rick Flagg Senior will be in peace Maker season two

439
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 3: at played by Frank Rio. So I think that's pretty

440
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 3: cool if they can do that, because I think for

441
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 3: the average viewer of HBO Max dc projects, that will

442
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 3: be a very quick way of saying, hey, both these

443
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 3: things matter equally, and you better be watching the animated

444
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 3: stuff if you can about what's going to be happening

445
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 3: in peace Maker or Superman or any of the other

446
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 3: projects we.

447
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 2: Get so we can't use humans anymore. That leaves the monsters,

448
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 2: of which Amandoler has several. We are introduced to the Bride,

449
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: a dead woman of unknown origin, the radioactive doctor Phosphorus

450
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 2: Weasel who we met in Suicide Squad, to the loan

451
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: survivor in air quotes of the loan survivor in air

452
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: quotes of the of the debacle at Cordo Maltese Giun.

453
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: That's right, uh g I robot and advanced World War two.

454
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 2: You're a terminator I who just loves to kill Nazis,

455
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: wants to do it all day, all night, and wants

456
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: to talk about it. And Nina a kind of a

457
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: very sad amphibian scientist. The team boards a helicopter on

458
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 2: route to Kolistan. The Bride has apparently been there before.

459
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: We're going to find more about that the end of

460
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: the episode. Uh. They land go to the Princess's palace

461
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 2: in a military convoy. Weasel urinates in the humvey.

462
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: You really get a sense that like a sense this

463
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 3: is the edge Lord, like James Gun It's it's DC's invincible.

464
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 3: I think that came across as a trailer and I

465
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: think it comes across very much in the first episode.

466
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: This is classic gun stuff exactly. I mean that he

467
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: loves the weirdos. He loves weirdos finding family, and he

468
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: is leaning into it big time here.

469
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: He's also a super deep cut DC lover, and I

470
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 3: was saying with Marvel, I mean nobody really like outside

471
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: of comic book shops. Was a huge Guardians of the

472
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 3: Galaxy fan before those MCU movies, So I think this

473
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 3: is a great example of what he does well. But also,

474
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 3: like your Miley, may vary depending on how much gore

475
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,719
Speaker 3: and pissing and that kind of stuff that you enjoy

476
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: in these spaces, but if you're an invincible fan, I

477
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 3: think you're probably going to find your new favorite show.

478
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: In this one, they go to the palace and guess what, folks,

479
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 2: the princesses gorgeous, beautiful woman. Flag Senior is struck by this,

480
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: but he maintains for the moment his professional, you know character.

481
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 2: There's some protocol issues and Alexi, the Princess's head of guards,

482
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 2: pretends like he's going to have to execute Flag and

483
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: he's like, Oh, you got scared. You thought I was

484
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 2: going to kill you. You peuse your pants and then

485
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: Flag gets riched the monsters and the palace guards. There

486
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: are several references here to eighties pop culture from Alexi,

487
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: and we kind of get the feeling that Alexi has

488
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: not watched a television show or a movie that was

489
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: released like after eighty eight or eighty nine.

490
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 3: Yes, and also the Easterrike Hunt as they going to

491
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 3: have a fun with this one. Yes, thanks to Alexi's

492
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 3: lack of current pop culture knowledge.

493
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: They have a feast. The commandos are eating really well

494
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: because they have They've been eating Amanda Waller Bellery prison

495
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: food for who knows how long. You know. Some of

496
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: them are essentially immortal, so they might have been there

497
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 2: for quite a while. The ancient Queen of Pacola Stan

498
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: sits at the head of the table. She does not

499
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: seem as if she's doing.

500
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: Great, not doing well, not doing well.

501
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: Nina, while they're sitting there, notices that Gi Robot doesn't

502
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: have anything each, so she orders some diesel gas for him.

503
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: Later on afterwards, after some digestifs, the Princess is playing

504
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: fetch with Weasel. Gi Robot and Nina get to know

505
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 2: each other and there seems to be I gotta say,

506
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: some legitimate chemistry at least from GI Robots side, because

507
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: GI Robots like Nina, I would love to kill Nazis

508
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: with you. Would you like to get together sometimes?

509
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: Isn't that? Isn't that romantic? Isn't that romantic?

510
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 2: Also?

511
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking how funny it is a lot of times,

512
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 3: you know, we're recapping stuff and you're we're kind of

513
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: chatting about it, and if you haven't listened to it,

514
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 3: then you might be like, kind of what's going on,

515
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 3: or you might get a general sense of it.

516
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 2: But this is definitely one.

517
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 3: Of those shows where when you're recapping it, people would

518
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: be like, what the fuck are you talking to?

519
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: A weasel?

520
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: And a robot's trying to have sex with like a

521
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 3: sexy creature from the Black Lagoon? Like, but that's the

522
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 3: magic of James gunfolksh.

523
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 2: Flag and the Princess talk about Weasel, She's like, oh,

524
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: so cute? Is what a nice guy?

525
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: Uh?

526
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: Turns out weasel sadly killed like over two dozen children,

527
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: which is he ended up?

528
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? Not great.

529
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: The Princess is kind of complaining the Flag that Pecola Stan,

530
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: you know, is not very developed, it's kind of backward,

531
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: it's extremely corrupt, and she's hoping, although she doesn't say

532
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: this explicitly, that when she's in charge, like she will

533
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: get to modernize and you know, put in some progressive

534
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: policies and change the country again. Chemistry, we're getting chemistry,

535
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: certainly from chemistry.

536
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, how old is Rick Flaxenia though, is he

537
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: like one of those one hundred and fifty year old

538
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: DC characters?

539
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: How old is the princess? And how old is Rick Fleggs?

540
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: He here because this is an issue I know.

541
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, what's going on? Is she an ancient immortal vampire?

542
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: Because otherwise it is feeling inappropriate.

543
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: Flag talks about Flagg Junior, who very very sadly passed

544
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: away at cal tomor weeked.

545
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: We we like, if you haven't watched James the Suicide Squads,

546
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: go and watch it. It is one of the best

547
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: war movies ever made. Is one of the best DC

548
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: movies ever made. Is one of the best superhero movies

549
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: ever made. It's so freaking good and emotional and apparently

550
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: very important to the creature and potentially the DCU.

551
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: So I love this significant emotional uh like machinery comes

552
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 2: from that Suicide Squad movie and Dad Flag in this

553
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: private conversation with the princess is like, you know, you

554
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: would have loved my son. You guys would have hit

555
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: it all. He good looking kid, you're a you're a

556
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: striking young woman, and you two would have, you know,

557
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: enjoyed each other's company. And then the princess is like, well,

558
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: I'm into Daddy's I'm into dad flags.

559
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: So that's what we're into now. Is She's like, I

560
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: don't want Joel Kineman.

561
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: I don't think Joel Kineman is that, you know, charismitic

562
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: in actor.

563
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 3: She's incorrect.

564
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about the grill.

565
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 3: I want to get the grill.

566
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: I want to get the So she goes up to

567
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: her bedroom with a Flag senior in tow and she's like,

568
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: I want to show you something, and Flag Senior's like,

569
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: what do you got? And then she steps out of

570
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: her dress. Flag singor is like, oh my god, what

571
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: And she is really trying to raise that flag. She

572
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: is trying to fuck fucking daddy Rick Flaggs.

573
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: She's trying to raise the flag pole. It's happening.

574
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: It's happening now. Flag very honorably declines he's got a

575
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: job to do.

576
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 3: Prof was a fat.

577
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: That I'm like, Rick, good job.

578
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: I feel like you're trying to show like there's like

579
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: r rated behavior in this like you could have gone

580
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: straight into it, but I like you're like, no, this

581
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: character he's got integrety. He's got He maybe realizes this

582
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: woman would be bater off with his dead son, so

583
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: like he realizes that's not necessarily he.

584
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: Doesn't want to create an international incident, and so he

585
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: goes back to his bedroom and jerks off. Probably he

586
00:31:59,040 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: doesn't do that.

587
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: Probably, but let's be real.

588
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: When the next scene happens, you see him on his phone,

589
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: and my guess is this is five minutes after he

590
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: just got down. Look, we're just being realistic, guys, and

591
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 2: goes and immediately do his revage. I saw, and uh.

592
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: We get a kind of sweeping, kind of uh conveyance

593
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: of scenes that show us what's going on in the castle.

594
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: Gi Robot is at the princess's door, talking to himself

595
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: about how he loves to kill Nazis. Nina is taking

596
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: a bath fully under the water. When she emerges, she

597
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: notices that the bride has jumped out of the window

598
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: and is leaving the castle. She follows. Nina tries she's

599
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: trying to convince the bride to come back, you know,

600
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: because Rick flagg Sor, as with previous suicide squad teams,

601
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: has the ability through an app on his through the

602
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: Bell Reeve app on his phone easy has the ability

603
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: to like electrocute end or like explode any member of

604
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: the of the Monster the Creature Commandos if he so

605
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: wishes through this app. And She's like, we're gonna get

606
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: electro shocked at the very least, but the.

607
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: Bride's blown up, but the very wistle.

608
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: But the bride is like who cares? She mugs a

609
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: guard for some cash and then hails a cab. Flag

610
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: wakes up to find that doctor Phosphorus is like going

611
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: through his drawers of his like bag lies like trying

612
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: to like rob him. They end up having a fight

613
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: in which they a large part of the struggle is

614
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: control over Flag's phone so he can't get into the

615
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: app and blow up phosphorus head. They end up in

616
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: the kitchen. As they fall through the floor, Flag and

617
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: Phosphorus are like duking it out. The princess walks in

618
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: on them, uh, and Flag beats Phosphorus, but then ultimately

619
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: is like listen, if we can't if Waller finds out

620
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 2: about this. We're all cooked, like the creature commanders are cooked.

621
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: You are cooked. You're probably dead, and project and is cooked. Baby,

622
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: it's gonna look bad for me. So like, let's just

623
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: like sweep this under the rug and forget this ever happened.

624
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: But don't try shit like this again. In the cab,

625
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: Nina and Bride arrive at their destination. It's the castle

626
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: of doctor Frankenstein.

627
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 3: Oh don't dune. Also, I just want to say, Frankenstein, Nina,

628
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 3: that's a girl's gal. Like she went with her. She

629
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 3: was like, you know, you're not doing this by yourself.

630
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: You're not doing this by yourself. That's a girl's gal.

631
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: And now where did she end up? At the castle

632
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 3: of doctor Frankenstein, which I'm sure just doesn't seem like

633
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: it's gonna go well for anyone. So Nina and the

634
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: Bride are on their feminist side quest and they arrive

635
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 3: at the manor of Dr Frankenstein, where the bride was born.

636
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: But bad news for them because local spy witnesses their

637
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: arrival and she calls into her boss, not Victor Frankenstein,

638
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 3: the doctor, but Eric Frankenstein, frank Stein's monster, and he says, Hey,

639
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: the girlfriend your dad made for you, the one you've

640
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: been looking for, She's back, baby, bab.

641
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the first episode of Creature Commandments.

642
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 3: I think I understand why James Gunn decided to start

643
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: the DCU officially with this. It's like, really really solid

644
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 3: like it. It's a no note type of situation. It's

645
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: like a really really great pilot for a really weird

646
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: animated show that probably no one but James Gunn could do. Also,

647
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: and I feel like this is intentional and if not,

648
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 3: I think that to the fans it will read as

649
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: an important statement. We've talked about this a lot on

650
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 3: the show. DC has for a very long time been

651
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: seen as the four front runner in animated movies. For

652
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 3: a long time before the MCU, people used to say

653
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 3: DC was making the best superhero movies full stop, because

654
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 3: they were still making animated films that hit really hard.

655
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 3: So I think that this is a recognition of the

656
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: importance of animation in the DC universe and also a

657
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 3: statement of intent from James Gunn saying, Hey, this is

658
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 3: gonna matter again, and not just that, but it's actually

659
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: gonna shape what we're doing. The fact that they connect

660
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 3: it to Suicide Squad, which, like I said, the Suicide

661
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: Squad is one of my favorite movies. And also I

662
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 3: love how strange James Gunn gets with it. Like, you know,

663
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: I do know if I'm I really enjoy Invincible and stuff.

664
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 3: But I'm a bit older now, you know, I don't

665
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: necessarily need every cartoon to be like an rated cartoon

666
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 3: like Invincible, same vox MARKA, even though they're both great.

667
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: But for me, the heart of the characters is their

668
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: little choices flag not sleeping with the princess, flag letting

669
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 3: Dr Foster for us off. He's already building those found

670
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: family moments, and also the intrigue of you know, for

671
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 3: a lot of people these characters, except for the bride,

672
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: who is recognizable as obviously like the Bride of Frankenstein,

673
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 3: they are not necessarily hugely recognizable characters, even like Nina

674
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: is a take on you know, the creature from the

675
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: back of the Lagoon. But what a clever hook to

676
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 3: have them end at a really really famous literary and

677
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 3: cinematic location that immediately draws people in, even if they

678
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: might feel like this is a little bit far outside

679
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: of the ven diagram of like a list of superheroes.

680
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's really good. I also think

681
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: that I'm so interested to see how James gun balances

682
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 3: something like this and the tonal nature of something like

683
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: this with having Superman being his first live action movie

684
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 3: like Sons of Demiscerret, is that going to be something

685
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 3: we see in super Man? Is he seeding stuff here

686
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 3: that will lead in That's very fun to think about,

687
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: and also Superman needs to be We haven't had like

688
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: a pure hearted golden boy Superman in live action for

689
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 3: a long time, you know, post Man of Steel and everything.

690
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 3: So I'm and you know he's releasing images with Crypto

691
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: the Superdog and Superman, so I feel like we're gonna

692
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: get that. So I'm just interested to see how those

693
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: two blend together. But I do think if anyone can

694
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 3: do it, it's it's James Gunn.

695
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: What do you think the the body count is going to.

696
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: Be here with the I think it's going to be

697
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: so high.

698
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: It is a feature of the Amanda.

699
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: Waller, Yeah, Teamanda wall of Us.

700
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: That they many of them don't come back. That's so

701
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: I will say.

702
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 3: I do think he's done something quite clever here, which

703
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 3: is he is Essentially, these are characters who it's very

704
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 3: easy to give plot armor two Robot Dot Fosporus like

705
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 3: weird science y blaming guy. Nina essentially could be immortal.

706
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 3: She's like a creature from the back of the bride.

707
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 3: You can take her apart and put her back together again.

708
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 3: So I hope, I hope that they will probably last

709
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: a while. There isn't a huge, massive cast of characters

710
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: like there was for that the Suer Squad Side Squad movie,

711
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: but I do think that we're going to get a

712
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: lot more death than we got in this first episode.

713
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: I would assume that by episode two, episode three, we're

714
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: seeing quite a lot of righteous killing because because the

715
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: creature Kimandos have always been that last ditch squad that

716
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 3: you send in when it's need them to come back

717
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 3: or if you need them to be painted as villains,

718
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 3: which is obviously the same as the Suicide Squad, but

719
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: here it's even easier because you can convince really anyone

720
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: that a monster is the worst person to have in

721
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 3: the space. So I'm very interested. I will be very

722
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: intrigued to see how this lands as well, because let's

723
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: be real, X Men ninety seven was easily one of

724
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 3: the biggest shows of the year, So I think people

725
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: are primed for great animation and primed to take great

726
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: animation as seriously as they take live action. So yeah,

727
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 3: it's gonna be gonna be interesting to see where it

728
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 3: goes next.

729
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: Creature Commanders Episode two, following directly on the heels of

730
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: episode one, Episode one, Rosie We opened in eighteen thirty one.

731
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: Mm hm Picola, Stan Victor Frankenstein, the creator and father

732
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: of his son Eric frank Sismonster are arguing about whether

733
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: it is more and right for Dad to make Eric

734
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: a girlfriend. Is No, this is an edge old fable, guys, No,

735
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: it's not right, but Eric is is extremely lonely and

736
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: frustrated and it's making him kind of violent. Uh. Dad

737
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: shows the body parts that his mortician has acquired for

738
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: this process, an area he's in love with. We go

739
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: to the present. The bride and Nina are in the

740
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: you know, the abandoned Frankenstein's mansion and they're we're kind

741
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: of looking around. Nina's like, why are we here? And

742
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: the bride doesn't want to want to say back of

743
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: the palace flag. Fresh off his fight with doctor Phosphorus,

744
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: he is bleeding, he's bruised, he's in the bathroom. Uh,

745
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: he is considering. He's got his phone open, so he's

746
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: like considering whether to cook the creature commandos with his

747
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: electrical charge on his phone app.

748
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 3: I love this so much as well, because, like you know,

749
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: there's always that debate of like do you use the

750
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: phone and the bass him or not? Like who does

751
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 3: and who does it? And it's like when we talk

752
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: about it, we're talking about like do you scroll Instagram

753
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 3: or like message your friends when you're in the bathroom.

754
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: And he's like in there with this universal conversation like

755
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 3: what should I do in the bathroom? Should I kill

756
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 3: all these people or not kill them with my app

757
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 3: in my phone? And I was like, great, this is fantastic.

758
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: So the Princess is ministering to his wounds.

759
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: She closes the door, and you know, she's wiping the

760
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: blood off and all the wild flags. I understand that

761
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 2: this is like, obviously this is not ideal. I'm here

762
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: to protect you and I just got in a fight

763
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 2: with one of my team, but I promise I'm they'll

764
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 2: protect you. Under protect your government. We go back to Cossa.

765
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: Frankistein Nina continues to, you know, just kind of probe

766
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: about you know, what was it like here with the

767
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 2: mansion you were born, here was like, uh, they find

768
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: Victor's lab. Nina is very impressed by this, and the

769
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: bride shows Nina the table where she was reanimated. This

770
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: is interesting to me because what it suggests, Rosie is

771
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: that in this DC universe, there is no Mary Shelley

772
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: never wrote Frankenstein. Right, there's no there's no Frankenstein movies.

773
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:12,479
Speaker 3: This is just.

774
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: That's right, They've never seen this in movies.

775
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: Like, it's just this really interesting too, because the version

776
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 3: of the Brider Frankenstein movie is actually like a play

777
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: on Mary Shelley's life, so like, the whole thing is

778
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 3: really surreal. And I love that you pointed that out

779
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 3: because I think we're getting a lot of conversation, rightly so,

780
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 3: and discourse about like what has James gunn canonized with

781
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: this show. Peacemaker obviously, the Suicide Squad obviously, but I

782
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 3: love that it's also establishing, like, no, some of your

783
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: most famous fables in the world, your most famous folkloric tales,

784
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 3: the first science fiction but the whole time don't exist.

785
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 2: It doesn't Oh my god.

786
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I recognize this from the movie. So this is

787
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: like Frankenstein came and like, woke you up? Right? No, no,

788
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: I wonder how that will impact the world going forward.

789
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: I'm very insighted. I wonder, right. So Nina and the

790
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 2: Bride argue about whether Nina is human. The Bride's like,

791
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: you can't.

792
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: You can't.

793
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 2: You don't understand what it's like to be me or

794
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: the rest of the team because you're a person. She's like,

795
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: I'm not a person, creature.

796
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: Commando like you.

797
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 2: She's like, no, you're just like a person with gills,

798
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: Like it's not You're not like that.

799
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 3: It's like such an outrageous thing to say, because it's like, babe,

800
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 3: guess what, You're just like human parts chopped up and

801
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: put back together. Like surely you're actually arguably more human

802
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 3: if you really need that.

803
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 2: Nina's like, what are we looking for? And she's like

804
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: a necklace, a tormaline necklace. We see war history of

805
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: the Bride. We see Victor teaching her to teaching her

806
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: to speak. When she was awakened, she had no higher functions.

807
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 2: She was, you know, didn't know anything. So while Victor

808
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: is teaching her you know, the rudimentary speech. Eric is

809
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: increasingly impatient. He just wants to make out with his

810
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: girlfriend that was created for him, and Victor is like, no,

811
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: we have to we have to get her so that

812
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: she understands you.

813
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: Can't just have sex with this woman with the brain

814
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 3: of a baby. Yes, correct, Sorry guys. In the meanwhile,

815
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: you know, Victor's teaching her words. He shows her this

816
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: necklace and she is enchanted by it and clearly still is.

817
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: We go to the present. The sons of them Ascia

818
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: have been informed by the spy and they and Circe

819
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: now know that Nina and the bride are at the

820
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 2: doctor Frankenstein's house. We go to the palace present day.

821
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: I feel like this.

822
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: Is like if I have an issue, I like, I don't.

823
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: I guess, like I still don't really understand same the

824
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 3: central issue.

825
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 2: Like I was, whyte Pacola stead?

826
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, like why is she doing the side quest? I

827
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 3: like the side quest? You know, David Habba playing Frankenstein.

828
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: That's a great costing. Like, I love this idea, but

829
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 3: I feel like trying to so far it hasn't shown

830
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 3: me how it kind of ties him with this large

831
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 3: and narrative and I'm fine with that, But then having

832
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 3: it be like Circe and thermoscare Circe and the sons

833
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 3: of Thermoscara now know they're there, I'm like, why does

834
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 3: that matter? Like why I.

835
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: Need a little bit more, you know, about what their

836
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: plan is? Because I agree with you. It's a little

837
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: bit like why are we here? M hm, small note. Anyway,

838
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: back in the palace the princess, why are we here?

839
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: It finally happens boo.

840
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: We were giving him so much credit episode wrong. We

841
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: were like, this man has integrity, this man knows what's

842
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 3: wrong or right, and he does not.

843
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: The princess, uh, you know, really puts the burners to

844
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: the flag Senior and makes it clear that she would

845
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: like to take things physical. And so then, much like

846
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 2: Sonny and the Godfather won, he and the Princess fuck

847
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: in the bathroom, says could.

848
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 3: I feel Yeah, go anywhere else.

849
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: As the rest of the Creature commandos plus Alexi, chief

850
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: of the guards outside listen to this happening, we go

851
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: back to Frankencin's mansion. The bride continues to reminisce er ed.

852
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 2: We see that in the past Eric kind of strangles

853
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: his dad not to death, but strangles him because he's

854
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: so frustrated in not being able to touch the bride.

855
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 3: Yet he's like so horny that he asks to try

856
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 3: and kill his dad, who has been in the present,

857
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: Nina finds a necklace good for help in the past.

858
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 2: Victor teaches the bride to speak. The bride clearly enjoys

859
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: Victor's company. The chemistry starts flowing a little bit. Victor

860
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 2: gives her the necklace and he says romantically it's from

861
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: one of the cadavers, and she's like, I love it

862
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: now pause here, this plus flags a little too much

863
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: daddy stuff, a lot.

864
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: Of weird daddy issue, like.

865
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: Because he's kind of HER's if.

866
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: He's Eric's father, he is also hurt he is also

867
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: the bride's father.

868
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I just also feel like, if you're gonna this,

869
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 3: I agree with you completely. Here. I was definitely like, look,

870
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: if you want to have multiple weird toxic relationships, that's fine. Yeah,

871
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 3: DC comics is known for them. All comics are known

872
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: for them. But why do they all have to be

873
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: like weird daddy issue toxic relationships, Like, like's mix it

874
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 3: up a little bit, Let's make a different kind of trope.

875
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: Let's let's put a pin at it, because I want

876
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: to I want to return to this conversation when this

877
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 2: this particular plot line escalatees. So we go to the

878
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 2: present where the Bride pretends she takes the necklace from

879
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: Nina and pretends like she doesn't really care about it,

880
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: but it's not important, but she wants it. Uh. Just

881
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: then Circe arrives and blasts the Bride with her blast

882
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 2: through the from the outside of the house back of

883
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: the palace creature Commando's plus flag plus Alexi or getting

884
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: ready to drive to Frankenstein's where Circe and the Bride

885
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: are duking it out while the sons of Semiscira are

886
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: invading the house.

887
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: Why Like why are they going there? This is what

888
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, I'm like, how did it? It doesn't

889
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 3: to me feel like that connection of the side quest

890
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 3: And I guess he has like find my location on

891
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: his phone, probably with the creature kmmandos and he's like, well,

892
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: I've had sex with the princess now, but I go

893
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: find out what my team is.

894
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 2: But I guess, you know, I guess he was like, well,

895
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 2: I thought this might We're in Pekolistan, so this mansions there,

896
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: so she did love that necklace, she didn't love that,

897
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: and so I figured, you know, this might be a

898
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: possibility that she might sneak away and go back to

899
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: where she was born like that happened.

900
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: I just feel like they could have just had the

901
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 3: mission originally be to go to Frankenstein's palace and Frankenstein's

902
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 3: castle and we didn't necessarily need the princess plot line.

903
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: I will say this written and directed by James Gunn

904
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 2: both episodes. James Gunn busy guy, a lot of projects

905
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: to oversee, to going to produce, et cetera. And I

906
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: enjoyed these episodes quite a bit. That said, light on story,

907
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: and I feel like vibes light on story, Yeah, big

908
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 2: on action. James Gun's a busy guy. That's what my

909
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: bottom line is.

910
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: I also did just have a bit of a revelation,

911
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 3: which is, like you said, many projects, and also anything

912
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: he does in this show immediately becomes canon and sets

913
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 3: this kind of stage. So maybe the fact, maybe you

914
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 3: go for more vibes and character interactions and character moments

915
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 3: than necessarily like a strict narrative, because as soon as

916
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: you start laying down those hard narrative choices, they become canon.

917
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 3: So doing it a little bosa, I think is it

918
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense actually, And also like the

919
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 3: Circy Bride fight is like very cool.

920
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: It's very cool. So we get this wonderful fight between

921
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: the Bride, the sons of Themiscarra, and Circe, where it

922
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: ends up with the bride kind of leaping outside with

923
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 2: Nina under her arm into a group of sons. She

924
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 2: kills all the sons very easily, and then she tells

925
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: Nina like run. Then Circe and the Bride start fighting.

926
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 2: The fight carries back into the house, into the lab

927
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: where she was born, and that is where the bride

928
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 2: loses focus because she remembers on that very table where

929
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: she was born she also fucked Victor Frankstein.

930
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 3: Come on, like, could you not just like not have

931
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 3: that flashback at that very.

932
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, here's my here's my note, and

933
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: this is James Gunn So I get it, and this

934
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: is is vibe. I will say this. I think that

935
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: there are other ways to show that somebody loved somebody

936
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 2: else that aren't just like they're fucking like. There are

937
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: other things and I.

938
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 3: Feel like you could have had like a tender moment

939
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 3: like the bromance, so like the books that they or

940
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 3: some of that kind of Gothic romance that isn't just

941
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 3: like hey, they're fucking they're fucking younger, woman's fucking adapt bigger. Hey.

942
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 3: Also like it's hilarious the idea that like, you know,

943
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 3: she has that like moment and instead of it like

944
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 3: distracting her from a job, but as a barista, as

945
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: it does for many of us, it's like, oh no,

946
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about how I was fucking this guy and

947
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: now I'm gonna lose this fight that's gonna end the world.

948
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 3: It's like it's silly, but I get it.

949
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: So Circe starts winning the fight because the Bride is

950
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 2: lost in these memories about her fucking her father figure

951
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: Victor Frankenstein end. When this happened, Eric who is like

952
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 2: eight foot tall and somehow managed just such so intense

953
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: was their pleasure that they did not realize that Eric

954
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: had snuck into a room and seen them. Now the

955
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 2: Bride managed just to rally in the fight, and it's

956
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: kind of even also has radio flag and when that

957
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: has been more suns sneak up on her. They shoot

958
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: her helmet and her water leaks out and she begins

959
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 2: to suffocate. Meanwhile, the Bride gets pushed off the roof

960
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: by Circe and she falls right next to Nina, and

961
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: now they're lying together in this state of severe injury.

962
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 2: We get the final reminiscence. The bride returns to the

963
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: castle to find that Eric has murdered doctor Frankenstein because

964
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: he feels like Dad was standing in the way of

965
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 2: them getting together and now they can really be together.

966
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 2: She sets Eric on fire, great flees the castle, and

967
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 2: then we see a montage of her fighting Eric, who

968
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: is basically her stalker throughout the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.

969
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, great, great moment here. If you're looking for

970
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 3: Easter eggs, think about how this connects.

971
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 2: Yeahs.

972
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 3: Eric is wearing this yellow Ultra Bunny T shirt and

973
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 3: it was like a T shirt Rick flag War in

974
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: the Suicide Squad movie. And somebody this up to James

975
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 3: Gunn on the interwebs and he said, oh, and this

976
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 3: is an interesting piece of cannon. He said in his

977
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 3: DCU Ultra Bunny is like one of the most famous

978
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 3: cartoon characters in the world. So that sounds like he's

979
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 3: gonna that's gonna probably come up. But like, I'm at

980
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 3: a crossroads at the end of this episode because I

981
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 3: do like the idea of like this kind of twist

982
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 3: on the Frankenstein mythology and this twist on having Frankenstein

983
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 3: as part of the Creech Commandos, but also like I

984
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 3: would just like love to just have like a bad

985
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 3: ass brider Frankenstein who hadn't been stalked for like two

986
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 3: hundred years.

987
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: He's he won't join, right, they can't have it er.

988
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 3: I don't think so, but I will say he is

989
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 3: in a lot of the promotional materials. Yeah, so I'm interested.

990
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: And David Harbor is the voice.

991
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 3: David Harbor is the voice, and David Harbor has been

992
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 3: out here doing interviews, including a really fantastic interview with

993
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 3: my brilliant French Woul's Chin at DC dot Com. Just

994
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 3: absolutely lovely chat. So I feel like that means he

995
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 3: is going to be a major player, but maybe maybe

996
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 3: is an intagon antagonist, which would be because I think

997
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 3: you can't I think did this you can't have him

998
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 3: in the team.

999
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: He's been stalking this woman for two hundred and forty

1000
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 2: years or something like or one hundred and eighty years,

1001
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: like he can't he can't be a good guy, right, No,

1002
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: it feels bad anyway, Nina and the Bride are they're injured,

1003
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: and the Bride is like, I'm sorry to Tanina, and Nina

1004
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 2: like coughingly, suffocatingly says, go fuck yourself, and then they

1005
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: are taken prisoner by the suns. Don don da, I'm

1006
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 2: enjoying it. I'm enjoying Suture commandos. I have some small

1007
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: notes as we Yes, as we have mentioned, yes, we

1008
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: think the Daddy still a little bit too much of

1009
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: the Daddy. And again I think that like not every

1010
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: act of love needs to be a a really like

1011
00:55:54,200 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 2: intense exactly. Yeah, you see Victor Frankensigin's like buns like

1012
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 2: cle and.

1013
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 3: He's getting that that bringing all those people to life

1014
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 3: is apparently really good for your cardio. But okay, what

1015
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 3: I saw a lot of controversy online basically people thinking

1016
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 3: that Nina was dead at the end of this episode

1017
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 3: or was gonna go way at no way, right, no, Nina,

1018
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: miss I feel like with these first two episodes, they've

1019
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 3: really set Nina and the Bride up as kind of

1020
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 3: the main characters, so I would completely I think episode three,

1021
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 3: we're probably going to find out more about the Sons

1022
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 3: of Themiscare are find out if they truly are the

1023
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 3: abandoned sons of the Women of Themiscira, which was only

1024
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 3: in like one kind of version of the the legend.

1025
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 3: If that is the case, it's going to be very

1026
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 3: interesting to see where the DCU version of Wonder Woman

1027
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 3: kind of what direction it goes, because the general version

1028
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 3: of Wonder Woman's creation is she was made of clay

1029
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 3: by her mother brought to life, but in the version

1030
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 3: with the Sons of Themiscara, the comic book version, she

1031
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 3: is Hippotolys raped by Zeus and then that's how Wonder

1032
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 3: Woman is born. So I'm interested to see where they go.

1033
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 3: But I think it feels to me, especially in a

1034
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 3: world post she Hulk, that kind of did such a

1035
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 3: good job of predicting what the fandom would say. With

1036
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 3: the case of the kind of MRA characters, I think

1037
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 3: it's more likely that this is going to be some

1038
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 3: kind of modern like Andrew Tait inspired movement. But they've

1039
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 3: taken the name because you know, men aren't allowed on demisteras,

1040
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 3: so they see that as oppression.

1041
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: What does Amanda Waller do all day? What is her

1042
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 2: work day? Like I think she's just.

1043
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 3: Like, you know, playing Candy Crush because honestly she's not.

1044
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 3: She is like not focused and her job like it's

1045
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 3: kipy hard. And also she has like a she has

1046
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 3: a daughter we now know, the peace Maker, So I'm like,

1047
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 3: is she just like at home with the family pretending

1048
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 3: to be like a homemaker, And also like why is

1049
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 3: she always sending these unstable men to be in charge

1050
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 3: of her teams? Like like, couldn't you just have like

1051
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 3: one person, could a James Gunn's wife who seems like

1052
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 3: a very sensible moral person in the DCU that agent

1053
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 3: shouldn't couldn't she go? I understand they're meant to be dispensable,

1054
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 3: But I feel like the more Amanda Waller in the

1055
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 3: DCU goes forward, the less sensible her choices are around

1056
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 3: these teams, like bringing peace Baker into it, like he's

1057
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 3: a psycho. His dad was literally like a Nazi, Like

1058
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 3: this is a terrible idea. And now it's like, oh,

1059
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 3: you got this team with a guy who's too distracted

1060
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 3: having sex so he can't even blow people up when

1061
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 3: they run off to Frankenstein's fucking a client. Amanda, Amanda,

1062
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 3: you sent them to the place where the Bride of

1063
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 3: Frankenstein was created, and then you just expected her to

1064
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 3: stay there, he head blowing up.

1065
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 2: I'm sure you send a different agent. You don't need

1066
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: to send the bride to Coli. Stant I feel like

1067
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 2: just anyone else. But yeah, I wonder.

1068
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 3: I do think she's just like scrolling. She's just like

1069
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 3: scrolling and going to bellrare like taunting criminals. You know,

1070
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 3: she's a bad person, but definitely not a busy person

1071
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 3: because she is never doing the work, never do She's

1072
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 3: always sending someone else to do it.

1073
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 2: Coming up next, let's talk about some of the comic

1074
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: book roots of the Creature play.

1075
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're back, Okay, Rosie.

1076
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: For those of our audience who aren't you know Superversion

1077
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 2: into DC or Creature Commandos in general, what are some

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Speaker 2: of the things that we should know as we go

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Speaker 2: into Creature Commandos the animated show.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so let's just start with the origins. Preach Commandoes

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Speaker 3: were first introduced in Weird War Tales ninety three, classic

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Speaker 3: DC title you've probably never heard of, but they were

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Speaker 3: created by J. M. D. Pat Broderick, John Salado, Adrian

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Speaker 3: Roy and Ben Oder obviously first two names there are

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Speaker 3: massive names in combook history, and essentially it's like a

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Speaker 3: reimagining of a war comic where Frank sized monster, a werewolf,

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Speaker 3: and a vampire universal monsters by any other name are

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Speaker 3: essentially pitted against Nazis in World War Two. And it

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Speaker 3: was very b movie ish, very pulpy. But the thing

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Speaker 3: that I think is really really interesting is that Dimitaeus

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Speaker 3: basically came up with a great twist on why and

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Speaker 3: how they were created, which was essentially that in an

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Speaker 3: alternate World War Two, the US government wants to psychologically

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Speaker 3: horrify their enemies on the battlefield, and they discovered that

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Speaker 3: the most terrifying archetypes are the ones that humans have created,

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Speaker 3: and they basically recreate them. But the thing that I

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Speaker 3: think is really interesting that I'm most intrigued to see

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Speaker 3: if they bring into Crete Commando's the TV series and

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Speaker 3: like future versions of it, Mattheus Essentially Dimitaeus actually like

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Speaker 3: made it so they were all experimented on and it's

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Speaker 3: like very horrific, and like the were wolf is this

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Speaker 3: guy called Warren Griffith who suffered from a mental illness

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Speaker 3: that made him think he was alike in Thrope, and

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Speaker 3: then they basically like forced him to manifest a physical

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Speaker 3: version of it through torture. And then they didn't recruit

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Speaker 3: an actual Dracula, they found this guy, Vincent Velcro, who

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Speaker 3: is also back again in the really brilliant current DC

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Speaker 3: Horror presents Creature Commando's book written by David Desmulchin and

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Speaker 3: DC on screen Legend two, and he was essentially like

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Speaker 3: a prisoner of war after committing a numerous amounts of crime,

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Speaker 3: and they basically were like, will you agree to hundreds

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Speaker 3: of months of like horrible torture to evade your sentence?

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Speaker 3: And then he didn't know, or you guess he didn't

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Speaker 3: know from reading the issues that they were going to

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Speaker 3: inject him with bats blood and he turns into a vampire.

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Speaker 3: And then the saddest one is is the Frankenstein's Monster

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Speaker 3: one is essentially a vet who was blown up by

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Speaker 3: a lamb mine and then gets put back together. So

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Speaker 3: it's like it could have been like this really simplistic

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Speaker 3: story that you just go like, whoa monsters fighting in

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Speaker 3: World War two? But Demitis plays it with like absolute

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Speaker 3: emotional heft from the very first bubble, speech, bubble and

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Speaker 3: thought bubble that you get and caption is essentially this

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Speaker 3: emotionally complex story where at the end like they kind

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Speaker 3: of have this realization where even though obviously when they're

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Speaker 3: fighting nazis great, but the real story is actually about

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Speaker 3: the horrors of war and the way that soldiers are

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Speaker 3: treated and the kind of exploitation of prisoners, all stuff

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Speaker 3: that I think James Gunn covered really beautifully in the

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Speaker 3: Suicide Squad movie. So I'm really interested to see how

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Speaker 3: deep they go. For example, later on in the series,

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Speaker 3: I do feel like this is something that James Gunn

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Speaker 3: would not be afraid to touch on. But they're in

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Speaker 3: the Children's Crusade, which was a story they had years

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Speaker 3: before the more famous Marvel's Children's Crusade. They basically face

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Speaker 3: off against like a group of child soldiers that Hitler trained,

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Speaker 3: and while the monsters won't kill them, their evil leader,

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Speaker 3: who I'm interested to see if he comes into it,

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Speaker 3: because he is in the current comic and he's basically

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Speaker 3: the true monster, is like the marine who's in charge

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Speaker 3: of them, Matthew Shreve, who's like really evil. He does

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Speaker 3: kill the children and then that is basically has this

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Speaker 3: really famous line where the vampire Vincent Valkro great name,

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Speaker 3: he basically says, like, in this contest, nobody wins, and

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Speaker 3: it's like really bleak over the dead bodies of the kids.

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Speaker 3: So I feel like this is very ripe for James Gunn.

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Speaker 3: I feel like he's already, like I said, he's already

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Speaker 3: done all a lot of that stuff in The Suicide Squad.

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Speaker 3: I found that movie to be like incredibly moving and

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Speaker 3: deep and kind of powerful, And I think he is

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Speaker 3: so quickly connecting that movie to the show because he

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Speaker 3: sees those parallels and in the New Creature Kimano's book

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Speaker 3: that Smulchin's definitely doing the same thing. So I'm interested

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Speaker 3: to see The first episode was very much in that

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Speaker 3: Invincible vein kind of funny, kind of sexy, kind of violent.

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Speaker 3: But I'm interested to see how quickly it beers closer

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Speaker 3: to the comic book origins, where it's a bit more

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Speaker 3: of a melancholy, a bit more of a sadness. Now,

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Speaker 3: I will say some of James Gunn's work got into

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Speaker 3: the Galaxy until the third movie, which obviously had this

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Speaker 3: huge kind of storyline about exploitation, torture, and testing on animals,

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Speaker 3: but some of sometimes he prefers to do something a

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Speaker 3: little lighter, a little more fun. But I do feel like, generally,

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Speaker 3: especially the origins of the Heroes and Creature Commandos is

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Speaker 3: much more melancholy and weird and sad and deep than

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Speaker 3: you would expect, even though like throughout the years they've

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Speaker 3: been all different kinds of of in, all different kinds

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Speaker 3: of comics and all different kinds of guys is But yeah,

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Speaker 3: that my gut says there might be more to this

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Speaker 3: than meets that.

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Speaker 2: I watch the team itself, The Bride, Doctor Posteros, wesel Gia, Robertina.

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Speaker 3: The interesting thing here is they didn't include Matthew Shreve,

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Speaker 3: which I think is really interesting because he's generally seen

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Speaker 3: as like that store, that kind of application of like

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Speaker 3: the real monsters of the humans. It's also interesting that

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Speaker 3: we have Rick Flagg Senior because in the Suicide Squad,

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Speaker 3: Rick Flegg Junior is actually right the person with the

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Speaker 3: moral heart at this center of the story who ends

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Speaker 3: up being spoiler alert if you haven't seen this movie

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Speaker 3: from a few years ago, killed by Peacemaker in order

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Speaker 3: to keep Amanda Waller's secret that the Americans were behind

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Speaker 3: the Quarto Maltese kind of horrific torture and experiments that

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Speaker 3: were going on. So I would imagine that Rick Flaxenia

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Speaker 3: has ulterior motives. I think we'll be hopefully seeing him

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Speaker 3: in Peacemaker on some kind of revenge. But interestingly, this

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Speaker 3: is from what I've researched and read like, this is

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Speaker 3: mostly a new team, not having like a Frank like

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Speaker 3: having the Bride instead of your classic Francancised monster really cool,

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Speaker 3: a new thing. Also having Nina Mazerski rather than having

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Speaker 3: like one of the DC aquatic characters or like a

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Speaker 3: male creature from the Black Lagoon. There are some characters

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Speaker 3: who cross over, but this is honestly pretty new territory.

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Speaker 3: And interestingly, Vincent Velcro is like one of the recurring characters,

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Speaker 3: and obviously we don't have him so far, so I

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Speaker 3: think James Gunn is trying to say this is a

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Speaker 3: new thing. I also wouldn't be surprised if we get

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Speaker 3: like a flashback episode that reveals this isn't like the

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Speaker 3: first team that Amanda Walla has done this with.

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Speaker 2: Is Nina Maserski. I've always wondered this is she related

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Speaker 2: to Abe Sabien.

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Speaker 3: Dude, I'm always thinking that, but Abe Sapien. Technically, I

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Speaker 3: know it's a different I know it's it's a different universe,

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Speaker 3: but like, but we'll still need feels like especially I

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Speaker 3: think also like it's easy to think of that kind

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Speaker 3: of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Because and they have the same they do the same.

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Speaker 3: Look, so similar stuff. Also, Nina Mazerski's created by Jeff

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Speaker 3: Lamiir and Ibrahm Robinson and obviously Roberson and obviously Jeff

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Speaker 3: Lamir had dark Horse books at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Black by the Way, a major recurring character in the

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Speaker 3: By Mike mcgnola, who used to do DC stuff did

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Speaker 3: Gotham by Gaslamp, one of the coolest Batman kind of

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Speaker 3: Elseworld stories that the originator of the Elseworld story really

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Speaker 3: and they were at dark Horse at the same time.

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Speaker 3: And I do feel like when Jeff introduced her in

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Speaker 3: Frankenstein Agents of Shade, which was obviously a riff on

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Speaker 3: Agents of Shield, I do think that this must have

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Speaker 3: been in his head. Like I feel like it's one

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Speaker 3: of those things where like if your friend, like Jason,

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Speaker 3: if me and you were doing different books, and you

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Speaker 3: were doing a book at DC and I was doing

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Speaker 3: a book at Marvel. We would definitely create some kind

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Speaker 3: of headcanon where we're like, yeah, these are brothers and sisters,

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Speaker 3: and then ten years later, when we're famous enough to

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Speaker 3: we'd be like, hey, so what turns out they are really? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it turns out they're related. Sorry, you know, if you

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Speaker 3: if you don't like to hear it, Jim shoot R

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Speaker 3: or whoever's in charge, But like I will be. I'm

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Speaker 3: just interested to see what happens. Because Nina also does

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Speaker 3: have a in the Jeff Lamier version, she is like

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Speaker 3: one of the originators of the Creature Commandos, which I

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Speaker 3: do think potentially we could see here. Also, she lost

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Speaker 3: like her kid at like the terminal illness, which kind

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Speaker 3: of moved her towards science, so we could get some

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Speaker 3: of that could also explain why she's such a girl's girl. Also, interestingly,

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Speaker 3: she has connections to like the atom and stuff. I

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Speaker 3: think Nina could be our main I feel like she

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Speaker 3: might emerge as the main character, even though this episode,

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Speaker 3: I will say I feel like she was more on

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Speaker 3: a side quest. But I do think that she is

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Speaker 3: important and hey, you know Mike Mignolo, Jeff Lamira. If

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Speaker 3: you want to come on here and reveal that we

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Speaker 3: are correct, please, You're always welcome.

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Speaker 2: We love both of you. Well, we are going to

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Speaker 2: continue to cover Creature Commandos and if you really want

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Speaker 2: us to continue, yeah, please please let us number and

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Speaker 2: we could continue to watch it at the very least. Well.

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Speaker 2: In the next episode of Extra Vision, we're diving into

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Speaker 2: Dune Prophecy one oh four and Skeleton Crew episode one

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Speaker 2: O three Thursday. Plus next week we've got more TV recaps,

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Speaker 2: video game breakdowns, and of course more of our Egger's retrospective.

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Speaker 2: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. Bye x

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Speaker 2: ray Vision is hosted by Jason Kitsupsion and Rosie Knight

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Speaker 2: and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers

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Speaker 2: a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Lron and Mia Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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