WEBVTT - 7. Close Calls 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:05.640 Murder on Songbird Road is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:13.640 Previously on Murder on Songbird Road. I am Jade's great aunt. 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:17.200 That's Brenda, the sister of Sheila Beasley, who is Mike's 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:19.200 mother and Jade's paternal grandmother. 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:20.759 My name is Bailey. 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:24.079 Jade's father, Michael is my first cousin. 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.360 When you first heard that it was Julie, was there 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:29.720 part of your mind that was like, no way, or 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:31.520 was there part of your mind where you're like that 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:32.600 totally makes sense. 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.920 My personal opinion is that sometimes people snap. 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.519 We believe the jealousy came in, and we believe she snapped. 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:45.199 A family member owns a pagan store in Salem. 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:47.120 They believe in witchery, witchcraft. 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.919 There ain't no good witch. That pagan relative of Julie's 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.800 Brenda is referencing is actually her cousin NICKI. 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.760 Me and my mom run a witchcraft shop. 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:01.240 We are both practicing pagan's. I don't understand how it 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:02.680 has anything to do with the trial. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:06.360 The people down there associate witchcraft with something evil, so 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.840 they're trying to associate evil with Julie. 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:14.840 On Lauren Brad Pacheco and this is murder on Songbird Road. 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:40.959 At the press conference announcing Jade Beasley's murder and Julia 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:45.920 Beverly's arrest, former Williamson County State's Attorney Brandon Zenatti claimed 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.760 Beverly's claim of having encountered an armed assailant clad and 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:51.480 all black was a fabrication. 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:57.360 The suspect gave law enforcement an initial report that an 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:02.200 unidentified male ran for the residence upon her arriving home. 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.960 She said that she left the residence with Jade alone 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:09.240 in the home for a short time and return home 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:15.120 to find an unidentified male fleeing. The investigation has proven 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:16.480 the story to be false. 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.680 In her nine one one call, Beverly is quite specific 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:22.520 about what the intruder was wearing. 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:24.720 Could you tell that color sphereed he was wearing? 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:31.160 He was a little all black, okay? And how they exited. 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:31.920 When that person left? 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:38.800 Did they leave in a vehicle or on put But 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.920 she was quite unsure where they took off running? Which 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.160 way did they go? 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.440 It ran out. 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.839 Julia Beverly's nine one one call wasn't the only one 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.720 of interest on the day of Jade's murder. We've been 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:58.760 told of two other calls, one specifically mentioned by Renee 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.480 in a previous episode, and this call was made at 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.600 ten thirty for a. 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:07.760 Suspicious person and no way, yes, this is at ten thirty. 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:13.359 He was out there belligerent talking about harming somebody, cussing 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.919 and carrying on, and somebody called the cops on him 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.119 and then VYG Go respond and they pretty much got 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:24.000 the name information sent him on his way. He's wearing 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.040 a black hoodie and duck pants. 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.560 For reasons we'll explain shortly. Renee High Tower and Julia 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.840 Beverly supporters also believe there was another call, one made 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.680 by a neighbor on Songbird Road. My efforts to trace 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.440 this specific call began in January of twenty twenty four 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.840 with Williamson County. However, after weeks of being redirected then 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.480 ultimately ignored by the Record's Division of the Marian Police Department, 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:55.400 my request finally landed on the desk of Marion City Attorney, 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.040 who I'd like to acknowledge for her helpful, timely and 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:04.080 professional responses. While the dispatch search she initiated didn't uncover 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:08.400 the specific call, they explained that their audio files only 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.840 go back eighteen months. They also expressed their belief that 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.720 the call was made to Williamson County rather than the 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:18.400 city of Marion. They did locate several CAD reports, however, 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:23.359 which they forwarded. CAD stands for Computer Aided Dispatch, a 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.200 system used by law enforcement agencies to document and manage 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:31.960 calls for service. These reports provide a detailed timeline of events, 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.719 including when an officer was dispatched, their arrival at the scene, 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.520 and the specific actions they took. They also capture other 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:43.080 key details and interactions that occurred during an incident. As 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.880 Bob and I scrolled through the Williamson County CAD reports 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:50.680 from December fifth, twenty twenty, something caught our attention, making 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:54.440 them far more intriguing than we'd initially expected. And it 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.400 looks like there were two calls there. The police were 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:01.360 responding to Julie Beverly's call, but it looks like Marion 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:07.280 police were already en route to a call about a 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:11.760 male in all black you know, fifty yards on that 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:17.039 Corey Leak, which is the back road adjacent to Julie's 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:22.760 next door neighbor, and that very clearly describes a male. 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.839 The first of the three reports lists, under the description 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.880 of Beverly's call notations that Marion units, an ambulance and 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:36.320 canine units are en route. Then there's this verbatim. Marian 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:40.200 advised they saw a male wearing a black hoodie walking 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:45.679 on Buckley about fifty yards westbound off Corey Leak. Julie 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.240 wouldn't have said. She said she didn't know what direction 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.919 he ran often so they're not getting this tip from her. 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:56.640 But Marian advised they saw a male wearing a black 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:02.919 hoodie walking on Buckley about fifty yards westbound off of 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:07.400 Corey League. Julie described what the man was wearing, said 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.719 that he took off on foot the nine to one 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:13.760 one call very specifically, She's asked which direction did he 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:17.520 head and she said ran out. 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.560 Her story has always been like she comes into the house, 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.280 she has the scrap with the dude, she goes in 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.160 to go try to get the gun, So she would 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.039 have had no idea which way this guy would have run. 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:33.640 I mean, what I'm saying is to me, it's important 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:37.000 if we can find out if in fact they had 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:41.080 sent officers out to that area based on the other 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:45.320 call saying a dude just ran through my backyard and 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:45.920 all black. 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:50.120 Renee High Tower first heard chatter regarding the existence of 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:54.440 such a call from multiple sources, including the private investigator 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.080 she hired after the murder. 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.720 It's weird because like with my first investigator, he was 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.880 telling on these things are going on the owns gun 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.760 range and this is where all the marine officers were 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:06.240 going to cheat, and. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:07.080 He's just listening. 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.400 Here's that private investigator, Terry Newman. 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.440 Renee hired me as an investigator to see if I 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:18.040 could find anything that didn't seem right, and there was 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:22.000 plenty of stuff that wasn't right. As I was digging around, 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.280 I overheard a group of law enforcement talking about it. 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.040 Of course, that was a thing, you know, that was 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.720 a pretty big deal, a pretty gruesome deal. So there 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:34.200 was a lot of talk. Maybe some of it was correct, 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.960 maybe some of it wasn't. Maybe somebody was talking and 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.640 just wanted to be that guy that knew more than 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:41.280 the other guy. 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:42.960 But I did. 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:47.440 Overhear one of the officers state to another couple officers 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.800 that we had a nine to one one call before 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:58.400 that call. What struck me is this description of whoever 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:03.000 called in. They looking for a person in a dark 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:07.560 hoodie and dark pants could be sweatpants, could just be 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:14.040 dark pants running through suspiciously running through backyards, which kind 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:19.120 of was the description of what Julie gave of her attacker. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.960 So right away and I think I called Renee up 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.440 and I said, hey, you need to get your attorney 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.800 to subpoena all the nine one one calls in all 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.160 the dispatch offices, you know. 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.920 Wh I immediately tell Theen's second share there's supposed to 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:35.480 be another call. 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:38.960 The subpoena the ninem on one calls. It's not in 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.480 the but Renee claims the call did come up again though, 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:46.520 when she was seated with Julie's defense attorney Terestin, right 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:47.880 before we were prepping for trial. 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.400 I was in Theen's office talking to her and she 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.480 mentioned she's going through the notes really quick, and she 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.960 said something about another ninmal one call and I'm like, wait, 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.920 what go back? I said, what do you mean another call, 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.160 because you told me you didn't have another call before, 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.679 and she said, well, it was rewire to a non 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.080 emergency call. But this is a call where somebody said 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:10.600 they've seen somebody running through the yard wearing a black 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.360 hoodie and dark pants and a sche mask, mind you, 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:19.079 So this is that call. And it was within minutes 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:20.920 of Julie's yes. 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.800 Another source regarding that elusive call comes from a woman 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.240 named Billy Joe. She's a longtime acquaintance of Renee, who 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:32.120 started assisting High Tower's efforts for Beverly after her own 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.320 efforts to find her missing brother, one who struggled with 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:40.040 addiction and homelessness, made her question the motivations and integrity 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.280 of local law enforcement and the police. 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.880 They weren't very cooperative right off the bat did not 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.920 want nothing to do with helping find my brother because 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.480 my brother was an addict. I have another sister that 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.920 gets pulled over. They told her that we need to 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.520 quit looking for my brother. He's a menace to society 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:57.679 and he's in the bottom of a river. So I 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.760 went to the mayor about it because they weren't very cooperative. 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:05.120 Just to go back and revisit the initial comment that 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.560 they didn't want to look for your brother because he 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:12.280 was an addict. Having been to Mary and myself, addiction 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:14.439 seems to be a pretty big problem. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:18.400 It is a very big problem here. Like I told 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.800 you the other day, it's like a whole nother city 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:22.120 at night here in Mary. 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:26.480 This is of note because of the rumors Bob and 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.640 I have heard from the start that Jade's murder was 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.920 actually tied to drugs, in particular meth, because of the 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:39.480 irrational brutality involved. We'll further explore this theory later. Back 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:44.160 to Billy Joe, what drew you initially to Julie's case? 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.600 Just dealing with the mary And Police Department over my 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:52.520 brother missing. It questioned a lot of things and Julie's story. 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.560 Knowing how small she is and talking to her, I 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.760 just knew something wasn't that up and that was another 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:01.840 res and I made sure I went and set through 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.120 trial because I wanted to hear the facts. 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.400 Billy Joe attended every day of the trial, which is 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.040 why she knows that two specific names that appear on 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:13.240 the CAD reports Bob and I were viewing also appeared 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:17.280 on the prosecution's witness list. A man named Aaron Luton, 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.679 who will get into in a bit, and another man 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.640 named Kenny Marks, also known as Butch. Butch was living 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.200 in the house next to Beverly's when the murder occurred. 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:31.200 Billy Joe believes he made that second call because of 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.080 something he told her sister's boyfriend. While the two men 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:35.240 were driving to work. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.920 So my sister seventy dates a guy named Stephen and 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.960 they worked at Reynolds's rouffine. I believe it's called It's 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.800 Reynolds something. It's a construction They build buildings and things. 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.480 And Stephen was taking him back and forth to work, 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.319 and he started talking about it. He said there was 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.320 a nine to one one call that there was a 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.559 guy in a mask or a person in a mask 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.120 running through the back yard at that time, and he 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.079 made that call. He said, I made the nine to 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:04.720 one one call. 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.600 What's interesting is the placement of the backyard of the 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.200 property on Songbird Road where Marx was living, in addition 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.400 to being immediately next to Beverly's. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.960 Coreyley Roads the one behind side right. 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.800 So if you run through the back of Kenny Marx 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.080 as you end up on Corey Leek aerial views and 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.480 a simple drive by show Butcher's backyard would have been 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.400 a direct path to Corey Leek Road, complete with a 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:36.079 heavily wooded area and multiple ponds on the way, which 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:40.080 would have been convenient places to toss a weapon. Why 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:44.240 they wouldn't have searched those little ponds for a murder 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:50.760 weapon is beyond wing. 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:49.520 To get Julie. 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.760 You know what I'm saying, Like there's nose for them 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.359 not checking the ponds at all. 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.760 But connecting with Butch to verify that call would quickly 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:05.320 become another rabbit hole. I do have his cell phone number, 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:10.120 which I got through an anonymous source. That source was 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:14.720 able to communicate with him, but apparently he is rather 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:20.080 reluctant to talk about this. We'll be right back with 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:32.160 Murder on Songbird Road. Now back to Murder on Songbird Road. 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.600 We'd reached out to Butch multiple times and in multiple 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.800 ways before attempting to do so in person. In August 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.560 of twenty twenty four, I knocked on the door of 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.320 the small, one floor home he shares with his sisters. 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:50.240 It sits atop a five acre flat farmland property that's 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.640 bordered at the back with a heavily wooded area. Climbing 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.200 the two steps leading up to the petite concrete landing 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.800 in the front door, I couldn't help but notice the 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.800 no trespassing sign attached to the white siding with its 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.920 pronounced firearms theme. It wasn't long before I was heading 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.959 back to the car, so the woman answered the door 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:14.400 first and I asked if she was living here in 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.959 twenty twenty, and she said she was not, but her 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.040 sister was. I explained that I was a journalist and 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.920 I was looking into the very unfortunate story that unfolded 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:28.960 next to her, and she went to get her sister. 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.760 That sister was not exactly pleased to meet me or 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.200 flattered by my compliments of the potted rose bush adorning 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.720 her porch. Kenny was there, but she said that he 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:44.080 was resting, sleeping, and so I inquired as to how 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.000 he was doing in his health, and I left my 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:52.400 number and my email and said that if it was 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.640 easier for her to talk to me that way, I 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.760 would love to hear from her. And so they grabbed, 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.160 you know, went to grab kind of paper, and I 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:05.400 left my information with her. Okay, butch never reached out. 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.640 So in December of twenty twenty four, it was Bob 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:12.520 Moda's turn, and he dressed for the occasion. Last time 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:16.840 we were here, you looked more like disgruntled former detective, 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.880 and now you look like weekend soccer dad. 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.680 Hey, all right, good, I should have warned my Hey, dudes, well, 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:25.080 I mean the vans really. 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:30.000 Kind of the vest gives you a more affable paternal. 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:32.640 I don't know if that's better. 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.600 When I was thinking about my outfit for the day, 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.160 I was thinking about straight up hoodie. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.760 You know, it's like you want people to feel comfortable, right. 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.960 Clothing choices have been an ongoing source of sarcastic camaraderie 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.000 between us since our initial trip to Marion. When Bob 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:52.800 shared this critique and you implied that I don't blend. 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.360 I mean like a sword thumb you do, like you 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.240 get that East Coast look to you, woman. 0:15:59.120 --> 0:15:59.880 I don't know what to tell you. 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.960 I still remain unsure as to how to process that. 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:08.400 Now back to Bob outside of Butcher's house on Songbird Road. 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:12.080 Hopefully Butch is there and hopefully Butcher's willing to speak. 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:17.760 Yeah, I'm cautiously optimistic, as like a kind of an overstatement. 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:23.520 I'm pessimistic, but I feel like if we can get 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.840 past the gatekeeper of a sister, that we can get 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:27.360 them talking. 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:28.440 We just need to get him. 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:28.920 Too the door. 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:34.120 Yeah, so I'll wait in the car, bring this with me. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.120 If you gesture, maybe not. 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.360 Well, yeah, if I gesture, can you get out of 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.600 the car, because I'll ask him if they'd be willing to, 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:47.640 you know, have us record them. 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.760 Oh he's going to the back door. I would go 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:51.960 to the front. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:54.440 What are you doing? Bob? 0:16:55.560 --> 0:17:00.360 Always just looking okay, yeah, I mean there don't not 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:07.000 trespassed signs pretty much everywhere. Knocking the door doesn't seem 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:12.239 to be an answer. It is just about noon, so 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:16.800 people could still be heading back from church. Doors opening, 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.800 all right, and it is the sister that I spoke to. 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.320 Don't see if Bob's having any better luck. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.040 I didn't have to wait long for an answer. All right, 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:34.320 Bob is coming back, and the sister was gesticulating a 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.360 lot with her right hand, and I don't know if 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:41.600 she was giving him directions or telling him where to go. 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.080 I think we're about to find out she. 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:46.080 Was telling me where to go. 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.520 So I went up to the door, and we parked 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.880 probably about fifty seventy five yards away from the property. 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.880 Walk over there or hear a chainsaw going? I see 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.639 that there's a gentleman in the back, probably about fifty 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:03.640 yards back into their property with the chainsaw. It looks 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:05.399 like he cut a tree down, and you know, I 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:09.119 could see he's got the ear protection on. And I 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.760 was initially going to walk up to him. So I 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.320 walked probably about halfway down the driveway, thought better of it, 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:17.760 thought maybe I'll go chuck. 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:19.359 I don't want to surprise the guy. 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.520 No, and then like Texas chainsaw massacre. 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.360 Or he has a piece on him, who knows he's 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.199 not going to hear me coming. He didn't see me 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:28.760 because I kind of like waved my arms a little bit. 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:31.160 He was pretty focused on what he was doing. 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.320 So I went up to the house, ranging the doorbell, 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.000 take a couple of stuffs back, as I always do. 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.000 I don't want to be all up in somebody's grill. 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.919 Thirty seconds later, an older gal. I don't know what 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:43.560 she looked. 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.840 Like when you tad, I recognize her immediately that I 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:47.200 spoke to. 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:51.480 Yeah, so she was clearly surprised by my presence. I 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:55.040 then introduced myself. I say his butcher. He says, well, 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.280 that's him in the back saw on wood. She says, 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.720 what do you want? I said, well, we're back again 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.240 and we're investigating what happened over here with your neighbors. 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.760 Like right away, she got very upset. You can see 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:08.320 it in her face, you could hear it in her 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:12.360 voice as well, she was agitated immediately. Well, she said, 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.399 I don't want to talk about that. It's not something 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:16.840 that I'm wanting to talk about. I'm a very anxious person. 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.440 That gets me upset. It just brings back bad memories. 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.480 And I said, yeah, you know, I'm trying to be compassionate. 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:24.960 I understand that, and I'm sure that's true for her. 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.520 So I'm like, well, you know, do you think your 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:29.719 brother will talk to me? And she says, probably not, 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:32.119 it'll probably run you off. And I said, well, you know, 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.440 we're really just trying to find out if this girl 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:40.240 actually did it. And so she did it, and I'm like, well, 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.760 what about this call that your brother made talking about 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.840 somebody running through the backyard around the time that the 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.879 homicides took place, which I didn't say I would have, 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.719 but she was very I was trying to get as 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:54.200 much in before I could tell she was going to 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:54.840 shut the door. 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:59.320 The exact response to that question was quote, I don't 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.440 know who that was. But it's interesting that she said 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:05.919 I don't know who that was, right, she doesn't know 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:07.960 who made the call, or she doesn't know who was 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.240 running through the backyard. But if you look at the 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:15.719 trajectory and you're running through that, you're going to end 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:17.560 up on Corey Lee Road. 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:22.480 Which is the perfect route for somebody trying to get 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:25.359 out that way, which is towards Marion, towards town. 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:27.159 You know, that's the direction you're going to have. 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:29.400 You know you're going to stay off the beaten path, 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.720 especially if you're in the midst of trying to escape 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:33.680 a murder scene. 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.240 You know, would makes sense that that's the way that 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:36.520 you go. 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:38.920 Now you can see the little from our vantage point, 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.400 you can see the pond right in front of us, right, 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:43.840 I'm assuming that's it, in front of the big there. 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:44.439 Yeah. 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:49.800 Why that pond was not dredged is beyond me. 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:54.440 Man, pull forward, I want to see I want to 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:55.760 see our guy. 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:05.040 All of this begs to question why Butch, who was 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.679 on the prosecution's witness list but never called, seemed so 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:12.119 reluctant to speak to anyone about what he did or 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:15.600 did not see the day of Jade's murder. It's also 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:19.119 interesting to note that the reports we were reading weren't 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:23.760 Busch's first appearance in police files. In December of twenty eleven, 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:27.199 Kenny E. Marx was arrested in Marion and charged with 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:32.040 manufacturing meth and meth related child endangerment in addition to 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:36.640 other meth related offenses. It's also worth mentioning that his son, 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:40.760 also named Kenney Marx, is no stranger to law enforcement either, 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:44.520 having been picked up this past fall on violations sex 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:49.440 offender registry and possession of meth charges. Given Beverly's consistent 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.080 placement of her alleged intruder's height being around five to 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.200 five it's also of note that the younger Marx height 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:59.119 is listed by police at five foot four inches. I 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:02.320 mention this not to suggest any involvement in Jade's murder, 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:06.000 but rather to highlight that there were known criminals in 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:10.399 the area matching Beverly's description who do not appear to 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:14.800 have been investigated. And there's something else that heavily wooded 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:18.480 area in the back of Butcher's place. Apparently it isn't 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:22.320 just housing trees and hidden ponds. Here's what her sister's boyfriend, 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:23.840 Stephen told Billy Joe. 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:26.720 So, when I was talking to him, he said to me, 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:29.080 what about the camper in the woods? And I said, 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:32.440 in what woods the camper where? And he said about 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:34.560 a year ago. Me and your sister was into it, 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:36.359 and I didn't have nowhere to stay, So I was 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:39.040 sleeping in my car and I ran into Kenny March. 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:40.919 So he told me I could stay out of his 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:43.160 house and we were out there talking and he told 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:45.080 me there was a camper in the woods that if 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:47.960 I wanted to stay there, I could, but not to 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:52.760 tell nobody because his sister doesn't know that his son 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:54.919 goes out there and stay. That he has to go 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:57.520 there at night. Hey, he don't come in and out 0:22:57.600 --> 0:22:59.760 during the day because his sister don't want him on 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:01.520 the park because he's a sex offender. 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:06.639