1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Murder on Songbird Road is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Previously on Murder on Songbird Road. I am Jade's great aunt. 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: That's Brenda, the sister of Sheila Beasley, who is Mike's 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: mother and Jade's paternal grandmother. 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 2: My name is Bailey. 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: Jade's father, Michael is my first cousin. 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 3: When you first heard that it was Julie, was there 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: part of your mind that was like, no way, or 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 3: was there part of your mind where you're like that 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 3: totally makes sense. 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: My personal opinion is that sometimes people snap. 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 4: We believe the jealousy came in, and we believe she snapped. 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: A family member owns a pagan store in Salem. 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 3: They believe in witchery, witchcraft. 15 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: There ain't no good witch. That pagan relative of Julie's 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: Brenda is referencing is actually her cousin NICKI. 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: Me and my mom run a witchcraft shop. 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: We are both practicing pagan's. I don't understand how it 19 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: has anything to do with the trial. 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 5: The people down there associate witchcraft with something evil, so 21 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 5: they're trying to associate evil with Julie. 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: On Lauren Brad Pacheco and this is murder on Songbird Road. 23 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: At the press conference announcing Jade Beasley's murder and Julia 24 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: Beverly's arrest, former Williamson County State's Attorney Brandon Zenatti claimed 25 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: Beverly's claim of having encountered an armed assailant clad and 26 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: all black was a fabrication. 27 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 6: The suspect gave law enforcement an initial report that an 28 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 6: unidentified male ran for the residence upon her arriving home. 29 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 6: She said that she left the residence with Jade alone 30 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 6: in the home for a short time and return home 31 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 6: to find an unidentified male fleeing. The investigation has proven 32 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 6: the story to be false. 33 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: In her nine one one call, Beverly is quite specific 34 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: about what the intruder was wearing. 35 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 3: Could you tell that color sphereed he was wearing? 36 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: He was a little all black, okay? And how they exited. 37 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 7: When that person left? 38 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: Did they leave in a vehicle or on put But 39 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: she was quite unsure where they took off running? Which 40 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: way did they go? 41 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 4: It ran out. 42 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 1: Julia Beverly's nine one one call wasn't the only one 43 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: of interest on the day of Jade's murder. We've been 44 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: told of two other calls, one specifically mentioned by Renee 45 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: in a previous episode, and this call was made at 46 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: ten thirty for a. 47 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 8: Suspicious person and no way, yes, this is at ten thirty. 48 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 8: He was out there belligerent talking about harming somebody, cussing 49 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 8: and carrying on, and somebody called the cops on him 50 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,119 Speaker 8: and then VYG Go respond and they pretty much got 51 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 8: the name information sent him on his way. He's wearing 52 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 8: a black hoodie and duck pants. 53 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: For reasons we'll explain shortly. Renee High Tower and Julia 54 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: Beverly supporters also believe there was another call, one made 55 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: by a neighbor on Songbird Road. My efforts to trace 56 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: this specific call began in January of twenty twenty four 57 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: with Williamson County. However, after weeks of being redirected then 58 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: ultimately ignored by the Record's Division of the Marian Police Department, 59 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: my request finally landed on the desk of Marion City Attorney, 60 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: who I'd like to acknowledge for her helpful, timely and 61 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: professional responses. While the dispatch search she initiated didn't uncover 62 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: the specific call, they explained that their audio files only 63 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: go back eighteen months. They also expressed their belief that 64 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: the call was made to Williamson County rather than the 65 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: city of Marion. They did locate several CAD reports, however, 66 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: which they forwarded. CAD stands for Computer Aided Dispatch, a 67 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: system used by law enforcement agencies to document and manage 68 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: calls for service. These reports provide a detailed timeline of events, 69 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: including when an officer was dispatched, their arrival at the scene, 70 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: and the specific actions they took. They also capture other 71 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: key details and interactions that occurred during an incident. As 72 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: Bob and I scrolled through the Williamson County CAD reports 73 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: from December fifth, twenty twenty, something caught our attention, making 74 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: them far more intriguing than we'd initially expected. And it 75 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: looks like there were two calls there. The police were 76 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: responding to Julie Beverly's call, but it looks like Marion 77 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: police were already en route to a call about a 78 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: male in all black you know, fifty yards on that 79 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: Corey Leak, which is the back road adjacent to Julie's 80 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: next door neighbor, and that very clearly describes a male. 81 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: The first of the three reports lists, under the description 82 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: of Beverly's call notations that Marion units, an ambulance and 83 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: canine units are en route. Then there's this verbatim. Marian 84 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: advised they saw a male wearing a black hoodie walking 85 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 1: on Buckley about fifty yards westbound off Corey Leak. Julie 86 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't have said. She said she didn't know what direction 87 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: he ran often so they're not getting this tip from her. 88 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: But Marian advised they saw a male wearing a black 89 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: hoodie walking on Buckley about fifty yards westbound off of 90 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: Corey League. Julie described what the man was wearing, said 91 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: that he took off on foot the nine to one 92 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: one call very specifically, She's asked which direction did he 93 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: head and she said ran out. 94 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: Her story has always been like she comes into the house, 95 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 3: she has the scrap with the dude, she goes in 96 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 3: to go try to get the gun, So she would 97 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 3: have had no idea which way this guy would have run. 98 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 3: I mean, what I'm saying is to me, it's important 99 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 3: if we can find out if in fact they had 100 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: sent officers out to that area based on the other 101 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: call saying a dude just ran through my backyard and 102 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: all black. 103 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: Renee High Tower first heard chatter regarding the existence of 104 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: such a call from multiple sources, including the private investigator 105 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: she hired after the murder. 106 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 8: It's weird because like with my first investigator, he was 107 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 8: telling on these things are going on the owns gun 108 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 8: range and this is where all the marine officers were 109 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 8: going to cheat, and. 110 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 6: He's just listening. 111 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: Here's that private investigator, Terry Newman. 112 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 7: Renee hired me as an investigator to see if I 113 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 7: could find anything that didn't seem right, and there was 114 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 7: plenty of stuff that wasn't right. As I was digging around, 115 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 7: I overheard a group of law enforcement talking about it. 116 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 7: Of course, that was a thing, you know, that was 117 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 7: a pretty big deal, a pretty gruesome deal. So there 118 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 7: was a lot of talk. Maybe some of it was correct, 119 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 7: maybe some of it wasn't. Maybe somebody was talking and 120 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 7: just wanted to be that guy that knew more than 121 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 7: the other guy. 122 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: But I did. 123 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 7: Overhear one of the officers state to another couple officers 124 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 7: that we had a nine to one one call before 125 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 7: that call. What struck me is this description of whoever 126 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 7: called in. They looking for a person in a dark 127 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 7: hoodie and dark pants could be sweatpants, could just be 128 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 7: dark pants running through suspiciously running through backyards, which kind 129 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 7: of was the description of what Julie gave of her attacker. 130 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 7: So right away and I think I called Renee up 131 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 7: and I said, hey, you need to get your attorney 132 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 7: to subpoena all the nine one one calls in all 133 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 7: the dispatch offices, you know. 134 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 8: Wh I immediately tell Theen's second share there's supposed to 135 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 8: be another call. 136 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: The subpoena the ninem on one calls. It's not in 137 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: the but Renee claims the call did come up again though, 138 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: when she was seated with Julie's defense attorney Terestin, right 139 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: before we were prepping for trial. 140 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 8: I was in Theen's office talking to her and she 141 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 8: mentioned she's going through the notes really quick, and she 142 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 8: said something about another ninmal one call and I'm like, wait, 143 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 8: what go back? I said, what do you mean another call, 144 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 8: because you told me you didn't have another call before, 145 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 8: and she said, well, it was rewire to a non 146 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 8: emergency call. But this is a call where somebody said 147 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 8: they've seen somebody running through the yard wearing a black 148 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 8: hoodie and dark pants and a sche mask, mind you, 149 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 8: So this is that call. And it was within minutes 150 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 8: of Julie's yes. 151 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: Another source regarding that elusive call comes from a woman 152 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: named Billy Joe. She's a longtime acquaintance of Renee, who 153 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: started assisting High Tower's efforts for Beverly after her own 154 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: efforts to find her missing brother, one who struggled with 155 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: addiction and homelessness, made her question the motivations and integrity 156 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: of local law enforcement and the police. 157 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 4: They weren't very cooperative right off the bat did not 158 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 4: want nothing to do with helping find my brother because 159 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 4: my brother was an addict. I have another sister that 160 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 4: gets pulled over. They told her that we need to 161 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 4: quit looking for my brother. He's a menace to society 162 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 4: and he's in the bottom of a river. So I 163 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 4: went to the mayor about it because they weren't very cooperative. 164 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: Just to go back and revisit the initial comment that 165 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: they didn't want to look for your brother because he 166 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: was an addict. Having been to Mary and myself, addiction 167 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: seems to be a pretty big problem. 168 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 4: It is a very big problem here. Like I told 169 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 4: you the other day, it's like a whole nother city 170 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 4: at night here in Mary. 171 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: This is of note because of the rumors Bob and 172 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: I have heard from the start that Jade's murder was 173 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: actually tied to drugs, in particular meth, because of the 174 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: irrational brutality involved. We'll further explore this theory later. Back 175 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: to Billy Joe, what drew you initially to Julie's case? 176 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 4: Just dealing with the mary And Police Department over my 177 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 4: brother missing. It questioned a lot of things and Julie's story. 178 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 4: Knowing how small she is and talking to her, I 179 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 4: just knew something wasn't that up and that was another 180 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 4: res and I made sure I went and set through 181 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 4: trial because I wanted to hear the facts. 182 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: Billy Joe attended every day of the trial, which is 183 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: why she knows that two specific names that appear on 184 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: the CAD reports Bob and I were viewing also appeared 185 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: on the prosecution's witness list. A man named Aaron Luton, 186 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: who will get into in a bit, and another man 187 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: named Kenny Marks, also known as Butch. Butch was living 188 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: in the house next to Beverly's when the murder occurred. 189 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: Billy Joe believes he made that second call because of 190 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: something he told her sister's boyfriend. While the two men 191 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: were driving to work. 192 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 4: So my sister seventy dates a guy named Stephen and 193 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 4: they worked at Reynolds's rouffine. I believe it's called It's 194 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 4: Reynolds something. It's a construction They build buildings and things. 195 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 4: And Stephen was taking him back and forth to work, 196 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 4: and he started talking about it. He said there was 197 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 4: a nine to one one call that there was a 198 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 4: guy in a mask or a person in a mask 199 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 4: running through the back yard at that time, and he 200 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 4: made that call. He said, I made the nine to 201 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 4: one one call. 202 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: What's interesting is the placement of the backyard of the 203 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: property on Songbird Road where Marx was living, in addition 204 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: to being immediately next to Beverly's. 205 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 2: Coreyley Roads the one behind side right. 206 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: So if you run through the back of Kenny Marx 207 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: as you end up on Corey Leek aerial views and 208 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: a simple drive by show Butcher's backyard would have been 209 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: a direct path to Corey Leek Road, complete with a 210 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: heavily wooded area and multiple ponds on the way, which 211 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: would have been convenient places to toss a weapon. Why 212 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: they wouldn't have searched those little ponds for a murder 213 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: weapon is beyond wing. 214 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: To get Julie. 215 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like there's nose for them 216 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,359 Speaker 3: not checking the ponds at all. 217 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: But connecting with Butch to verify that call would quickly 218 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: become another rabbit hole. I do have his cell phone number, 219 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: which I got through an anonymous source. That source was 220 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: able to communicate with him, but apparently he is rather 221 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: reluctant to talk about this. We'll be right back with 222 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: Murder on Songbird Road. Now back to Murder on Songbird Road. 223 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: We'd reached out to Butch multiple times and in multiple 224 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: ways before attempting to do so in person. In August 225 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, I knocked on the door of 226 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: the small, one floor home he shares with his sisters. 227 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: It sits atop a five acre flat farmland property that's 228 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: bordered at the back with a heavily wooded area. Climbing 229 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: the two steps leading up to the petite concrete landing 230 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: in the front door, I couldn't help but notice the 231 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: no trespassing sign attached to the white siding with its 232 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: pronounced firearms theme. It wasn't long before I was heading 233 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: back to the car, so the woman answered the door 234 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: first and I asked if she was living here in 235 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and she said she was not, but her 236 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: sister was. I explained that I was a journalist and 237 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: I was looking into the very unfortunate story that unfolded 238 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: next to her, and she went to get her sister. 239 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: That sister was not exactly pleased to meet me or 240 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: flattered by my compliments of the potted rose bush adorning 241 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: her porch. Kenny was there, but she said that he 242 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: was resting, sleeping, and so I inquired as to how 243 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: he was doing in his health, and I left my 244 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: number and my email and said that if it was 245 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: easier for her to talk to me that way, I 246 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: would love to hear from her. And so they grabbed, 247 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: you know, went to grab kind of paper, and I 248 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: left my information with her. Okay, butch never reached out. 249 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: So in December of twenty twenty four, it was Bob 250 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: Moda's turn, and he dressed for the occasion. Last time 251 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: we were here, you looked more like disgruntled former detective, 252 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: and now you look like weekend soccer dad. 253 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 3: Hey, all right, good, I should have warned my Hey, dudes, well, 254 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 3: I mean the vans really. 255 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: Kind of the vest gives you a more affable paternal. 256 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's better. 257 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 3: When I was thinking about my outfit for the day, 258 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 3: I was thinking about straight up hoodie. 259 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: You know, it's like you want people to feel comfortable, right. 260 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: Clothing choices have been an ongoing source of sarcastic camaraderie 261 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: between us since our initial trip to Marion. When Bob 262 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: shared this critique and you implied that I don't blend. 263 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 3: I mean like a sword thumb you do, like you 264 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: get that East Coast look to you, woman. 265 00:15:59,120 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you. 266 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: I still remain unsure as to how to process that. 267 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: Now back to Bob outside of Butcher's house on Songbird Road. 268 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: Hopefully Butch is there and hopefully Butcher's willing to speak. 269 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm cautiously optimistic, as like a kind of an overstatement. 270 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: I'm pessimistic, but I feel like if we can get 271 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: past the gatekeeper of a sister, that we can get 272 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: them talking. 273 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: We just need to get him. 274 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 4: Too the door. 275 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'll wait in the car, bring this with me. 276 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: If you gesture, maybe not. 277 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, if I gesture, can you get out of 278 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 3: the car, because I'll ask him if they'd be willing to, 279 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 3: you know, have us record them. 280 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 5: Oh he's going to the back door. I would go 281 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 5: to the front. 282 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: What are you doing? Bob? 283 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 5: Always just looking okay, yeah, I mean there don't not 284 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 5: trespassed signs pretty much everywhere. Knocking the door doesn't seem 285 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:12,239 Speaker 5: to be an answer. It is just about noon, so 286 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 5: people could still be heading back from church. Doors opening, 287 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 5: all right, and it is the sister that I spoke to. 288 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 5: Don't see if Bob's having any better luck. 289 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: I didn't have to wait long for an answer. All right, 290 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: Bob is coming back, and the sister was gesticulating a 291 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 1: lot with her right hand, and I don't know if 292 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: she was giving him directions or telling him where to go. 293 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: I think we're about to find out she. 294 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 2: Was telling me where to go. 295 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 3: So I went up to the door, and we parked 296 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 3: probably about fifty seventy five yards away from the property. 297 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 3: Walk over there or hear a chainsaw going? I see 298 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 3: that there's a gentleman in the back, probably about fifty 299 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 3: yards back into their property with the chainsaw. It looks 300 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 3: like he cut a tree down, and you know, I 301 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 3: could see he's got the ear protection on. And I 302 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 3: was initially going to walk up to him. So I 303 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 3: walked probably about halfway down the driveway, thought better of it, 304 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 3: thought maybe I'll go chuck. 305 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 2: I don't want to surprise the guy. 306 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: No, and then like Texas chainsaw massacre. 307 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 3: Or he has a piece on him, who knows he's 308 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 3: not going to hear me coming. He didn't see me 309 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: because I kind of like waved my arms a little bit. 310 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 2: He was pretty focused on what he was doing. 311 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 3: So I went up to the house, ranging the doorbell, 312 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 3: take a couple of stuffs back, as I always do. 313 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 3: I don't want to be all up in somebody's grill. 314 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 3: Thirty seconds later, an older gal. I don't know what 315 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 3: she looked. 316 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: Like when you tad, I recognize her immediately that I 317 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: spoke to. 318 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, so she was clearly surprised by my presence. I 319 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 3: then introduced myself. I say his butcher. He says, well, 320 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 3: that's him in the back saw on wood. She says, 321 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 3: what do you want? I said, well, we're back again 322 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 3: and we're investigating what happened over here with your neighbors. 323 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: Like right away, she got very upset. You can see 324 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 3: it in her face, you could hear it in her 325 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 3: voice as well, she was agitated immediately. Well, she said, 326 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 3: I don't want to talk about that. It's not something 327 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: that I'm wanting to talk about. I'm a very anxious person. 328 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 3: That gets me upset. It just brings back bad memories. 329 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 3: And I said, yeah, you know, I'm trying to be compassionate. 330 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 3: I understand that, and I'm sure that's true for her. 331 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 3: So I'm like, well, you know, do you think your 332 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 3: brother will talk to me? And she says, probably not, 333 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 3: it'll probably run you off. And I said, well, you know, 334 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 3: we're really just trying to find out if this girl 335 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 3: actually did it. And so she did it, and I'm like, well, 336 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 3: what about this call that your brother made talking about 337 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 3: somebody running through the backyard around the time that the 338 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 3: homicides took place, which I didn't say I would have, 339 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,719 Speaker 3: but she was very I was trying to get as 340 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 3: much in before I could tell she was going to 341 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: shut the door. 342 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: The exact response to that question was quote, I don't 343 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: know who that was. But it's interesting that she said 344 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: I don't know who that was, right, she doesn't know 345 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: who made the call, or she doesn't know who was 346 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: running through the backyard. But if you look at the 347 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 1: trajectory and you're running through that, you're going to end 348 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: up on Corey Lee Road. 349 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 3: Which is the perfect route for somebody trying to get 350 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 3: out that way, which is towards Marion, towards town. 351 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 2: You know, that's the direction you're going to have. 352 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 3: You know you're going to stay off the beaten path, 353 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 3: especially if you're in the midst of trying to escape 354 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 3: a murder scene. 355 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: You know, would makes sense that that's the way that 356 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: you go. 357 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 3: Now you can see the little from our vantage point, 358 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 3: you can see the pond right in front of us, right, 359 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 3: I'm assuming that's it, in front of the big there. 360 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. 361 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: Why that pond was not dredged is beyond me. 362 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 5: Man, pull forward, I want to see I want to 363 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 5: see our guy. 364 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: All of this begs to question why Butch, who was 365 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: on the prosecution's witness list but never called, seemed so 366 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: reluctant to speak to anyone about what he did or 367 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: did not see the day of Jade's murder. It's also 368 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: interesting to note that the reports we were reading weren't 369 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: Busch's first appearance in police files. In December of twenty eleven, 370 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: Kenny E. Marx was arrested in Marion and charged with 371 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: manufacturing meth and meth related child endangerment in addition to 372 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: other meth related offenses. It's also worth mentioning that his son, 373 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: also named Kenney Marx, is no stranger to law enforcement either, 374 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: having been picked up this past fall on violations sex 375 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: offender registry and possession of meth charges. Given Beverly's consistent 376 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: placement of her alleged intruder's height being around five to 377 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: five it's also of note that the younger Marx height 378 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: is listed by police at five foot four inches. I 379 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: mention this not to suggest any involvement in Jade's murder, 380 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: but rather to highlight that there were known criminals in 381 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: the area matching Beverly's description who do not appear to 382 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: have been investigated. And there's something else that heavily wooded 383 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: area in the back of Butcher's place. Apparently it isn't 384 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: just housing trees and hidden ponds. Here's what her sister's boyfriend, 385 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: Stephen told Billy Joe. 386 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 4: So, when I was talking to him, he said to me, 387 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 4: what about the camper in the woods? And I said, 388 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 4: in what woods the camper where? And he said about 389 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 4: a year ago. Me and your sister was into it, 390 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 4: and I didn't have nowhere to stay, So I was 391 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 4: sleeping in my car and I ran into Kenny March. 392 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 4: So he told me I could stay out of his 393 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 4: house and we were out there talking and he told 394 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 4: me there was a camper in the woods that if 395 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 4: I wanted to stay there, I could, but not to 396 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 4: tell nobody because his sister doesn't know that his son 397 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 4: goes out there and stay. That he has to go 398 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 4: there at night. Hey, he don't come in and out 399 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 4: during the day because his sister don't want him on 400 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 4: the park because he's a sex offender. 401 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: Wow, So there is basically like an abandoned camper in 402 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: the wooded area. 403 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I took it upon myself. Renee actually met 404 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 4: me out there the other day, and there is definitely 405 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 4: something out there. If you look directly behind here to 406 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 4: the right, you can tell there's something there in big trees. 407 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: This blows my mind because if you think about it, 408 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: this is the property that's adjacent to the murder scene, 409 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: with multiple bodies of water, a heavily wooded area, and 410 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: now what we're hearing a makeshift encampment for transient people 411 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: and the police don't check it. 412 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 4: That's what I can't understand why they didn't look back there, 413 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 4: why they didn't search any of that back there. 414 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: We'll revisit that later. Back to Bob and the mention 415 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: of Butch on the CAD reports from the day of 416 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: the murder. 417 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it doesn't tell us much like it 418 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 3: begs the question why is it in here? 419 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: And why is he on the prosecution's witness list? 420 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 3: Right and never called right? Well, it's the same with 421 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 3: Aaron Luten. Aaron Luton's the other call that comes in. 422 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: Aaron Luton's name came up early and continues to come 423 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: up in multiple interviews and very prominently on call records 424 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: from the morning of Jade Beasley's murder. A bit past 425 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: ten thirty am, a call comes in about a male 426 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: subject who stormed out of his house screaming about killing someone. 427 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 3: Here's Bob and Luton is at least reported to be 428 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 3: out on the street acting a fool, screaming and yelling, 429 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 3: wearing a blacktop, wanting a blacktop, threatening to kill people, 430 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: saying that he wants somebody to shoot him. When we 431 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: first became privy to that call, were obviously pricked our 432 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 3: ears up. 433 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: We're like, well, what's us. 434 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 3: We went to theme, We went to Julie's trial attorney 435 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 3: and said, what's the deal with Luten? 436 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: Did she dig into this? 437 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 3: And theene says that she vetted it out and that 438 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 3: her understanding was that Luton had been picked up because 439 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 3: we had heard conflicting stories. Initially we had heard that 440 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 3: he had been left out there acting a fool, and 441 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 3: then and then later themes as well. What I saw 442 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 3: from my discovery was that he was ultimately dropped off 443 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 3: at the hospital. 444 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: But now reading through the call log's timeline, Mata and 445 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: I had new questions and reason to revisit Aaron Luton's 446 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:33,479 Speaker 1: exact whereabouts during exact times on December fifth, twenty twenty. 447 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 3: So like I'm scrolling through, it's as an advisor, as 448 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 3: a mail on the road, screaming and yelling, right, and 449 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: that comes in at ten thirty seven on twelve five, 450 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 3: So that's the day of and you know, the timing 451 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 3: fits in terms of when things may have gone down there, Right, 452 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 3: It's a little early for kind of our purposes in 453 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 3: terms of what we think things may have gone down, 454 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 3: But I mean it begs the question if if this 455 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 3: is the beginning of the episode with. 456 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 2: Aaron Luton in it, it just keeps going. 457 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 3: Which is, we're this interesting thing that I noticed in here, 458 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 3: because when we get down to here, So at ten 459 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 3: fifty six, received another call on erin that he's screaming 460 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 3: at groups of people to come shoot him. So that's 461 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 3: a full twenty minutes after the first call. Okay, And 462 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: then at ten point fifty eight it says one male 463 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 3: detained and then we get down here, doesn't say what 464 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 3: they're doing with them anywhere as I'm kind of reading through, 465 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 3: whoever took them into custody is now transporting them to 466 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 3: the station, transporting them to a hospital. Because it's interesting 467 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 3: because here it's. 468 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: Kin a new call. So now we're at. 469 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 3: Eleven nineteen get this new call, So Marian Police Department 470 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 3: at eleven nineteen forty three unit I'm thirteen Aaron Luton, 471 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 3: Dean created, all right, and then you've got twelve thirty 472 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 3: seven event cleared by recheck, no active units. 473 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: This is where it got a little weird to me. 474 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 3: So it says that at sixteen eleven comments changed to 475 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 3: mail take into Heartland for evaluation, but change from where. 476 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: And look at that time period, right. 477 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: Huge gap in time. 478 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it puts us at four eleven says that he's 479 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 3: taken to the hospital. So does that mean that this 480 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 3: comment is changed or is that when the event happened. 481 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 5: And does that mean they have him in custody for 482 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 5: hours or does that mean that I don't know. So 483 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 5: that window if they last were with him at eleven nineteen, 484 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 5: and then it's not clear as to whether or not 485 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 5: they left him right, but where was he from eleven 486 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 5: nineteen until four o'clock? And if he were in that 487 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 5: state and left, that's the same timeline. 488 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: That would fit with the murder. Right when this episode 489 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: was being edited, I was still awaiting response from Williamson 490 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: County on the multiple requests I'd made for information regarding Luton. 491 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: He was, however, on the radar of both Beverly's defense 492 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: and the prosecution. Here's what Renee was told happened. 493 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 8: Cindy Gatman, the lead investigator on this, had him at 494 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 8: the station questioning him, and she said her first question 495 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 8: to him was do you know anything about the child 496 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 8: that was murdered out in the country, And his response 497 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 8: to that question was which one s what? 498 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 4: Yes? 499 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: And he has a rap sheet that includes burglary, robbery, assault, 500 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: and domestic battery. At the time of this episode's release, 501 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: Luton was incarcerated, having been sentenced to eleven years in 502 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: December of twenty twenty one for attempting to disarma an 503 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: officer who'd responded to a domestic violence call. I've attempted 504 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: to email Aaron Luton in prison multiple times. He's only 505 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: responded once with a subject line pemp that's pimp, with 506 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: the attached message what up, bro? 507 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 2: I would killed to get into talk to this guy. 508 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,479 Speaker 8: I don't know when he was at the hospital because 509 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 8: if Cindy Gaman was at the house, and that's around 510 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 8: because Julie was still at the house of this time. 511 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 8: When was he at the police station? 512 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: When did you pick him up? If that were true, 513 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: why would he have been brought in for questioning? And 514 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: I've asked for that video. As I was finishing this episode, 515 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: I received documents that state Luton was in an ambulance 516 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: at eleven eight am on the day of the murder, 517 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: arriving at the hospital at eleven twenty six am, ultimately 518 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: being discharged at nine thirty eight pm, which rules him 519 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: out as a suspect. I also received video of the interrogation, 520 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: which happened at the end of July twenty twenty one, 521 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: nearly eight months after Jade's murder and Beverly's arrest, while 522 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: Renee's version of his interrogation was off. This is what 523 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: Luton replied when asked about Jade Beasley's murder. 524 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 6: Where did she get found? 525 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? 526 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, which who's murdered? 527 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: Where was she in? 528 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 6: Huh? 529 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: Was she in something? 530 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 5: What do you mean both? 531 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 6: I'm just saying, I'm just I've been in a one 532 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 6: a year ago, twenty a year ago. Okay, just I'll. 533 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: Let you guys speak. Geitman doesn't appear to pursue that 534 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: line of questioning. Still, why was Luton Mike Butch on 535 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: the prosecution's witness list but never called to testify? Murder 536 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: and Songbird Road will continue after the break Here again 537 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: is Murder on Songbird Road? Butch and Aaron aside, we 538 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: had other pressing questions. For instance, the dispatch events summary 539 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: notes that three different officers Welgi, Sloane, and Ward, administered 540 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: CPR to Jade Beasley at the scene, all before ems arrived. 541 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: If the prosecution's timeline is accurate and Jade was murdered 542 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: between nine thirty and ten fifteen am. Why would multiple 543 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: officers attempt CPR on her more than two hours later? 544 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: And why was a metavac reportedly called according to the 545 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: CAD notes, nearly a half an hour after police arrived, 546 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: only to be canceled. Listen carefully to Danny Vaye's report 547 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: on the day of the arrest. 548 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 9: Zanami says police and EMTs arrived Saturday, shortly after the 549 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 9: ninety one one. 550 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 2: Call was made. 551 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 9: When they got there, they found Beasley with multiple stab wounds, 552 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 9: and Beasley later died at the scene. 553 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: So Jade Beasley died more than two hours after the 554 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: prosecution alleged Julia Beverly killed her. Then there's this the 555 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: adjacent property, wood, small bodies of water, and known transient activity. 556 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: Why wasn't this area searched or investigated? And why weren't 557 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: any other potential suspects actually considered. 558 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 6: He said that she left the residence with Jade alone 559 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 6: in the home for a short time and return home 560 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 6: to find an unidentified male fleeing. The investigation has proven 561 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 6: this story to be false, But did it. 562 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: These questions only added to the larger issues we'd already 563 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: uncovered tunnel vision, a lack of presumption of innocence, and 564 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: even allegations of witchcraft, none of which the prosecution tied 565 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: to motive or concrete evidence. All of this was weighing 566 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: on my mind as I prepared to make this introduction. 567 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: Jason Flom Bob Mada, Bob j Nice to meet you. 568 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 4: Man. 569 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: Jason Flamm is a founding board member of The Innocence 570 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: Project and co host and creator of the Wrongful Conviction 571 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: podcast series, which is credited with helping to free nearly 572 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: two dozen people. It's also inspired legislators in three different 573 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: states that we know of to change laws to make 574 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: the justice system more just. But Flamm is best known 575 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: for his legendary career in the music industry as the 576 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,959 Speaker 1: record executive behind the success of artists like skid Row, Stone, 577 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: Temple Pilots, Lord, Katy Perry, and many more. 578 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 3: I've been a big admirer of what you do out 579 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 3: there as a criminal defense guy for a long time. 580 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 5: Man. 581 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 3: I appreciate the fact that you could have probably done 582 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 3: anything that you wanted with your life after your career, 583 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 3: and then you chose to do this. Hits me right 584 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 3: in all the fields. So I was pretty excited to 585 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 3: meet you. 586 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 2: Man. 587 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,959 Speaker 10: Part of it is trying to make your job and 588 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 10: people that do the same type of work that you do, 589 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 10: to make your job a little easier and tip to 590 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 10: scales of justice somewhere closer instead of being ninety ten, 591 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 10: like making at least, you know, somewhat of a fairer fight. 592 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: Jason and I met years ago while I was working 593 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: on a podcast called Murder in Oregon. Because Wrongful Conviction 594 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: was and still is one of my favorite podcasts. I 595 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: picked up a freelance television shoot in New York City 596 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: just to meet him, not knowing he was binging Murder 597 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 1: and Oregon at the time. We've been friends since. Jason 598 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: Flohm brings a pragmatic and brutally honest take to our 599 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: justice system. 600 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 10: It's amazing how in America, the land of the free right, 601 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 10: it's the most incarcerated nation in the history of the world. 602 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 10: Not only do we have twenty five percent of the 603 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 10: world's prison population, but we have thirty three percent of 604 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 10: the world's female prison population. And I would even go 605 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 10: so far as to say that we reserve the worst treatment. 606 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 10: There's no lack of horror stories taking place right this 607 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 10: very minute. In jails and prisons all over the country, 608 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 10: men's facilities, women's facilities, you name it. But I think 609 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,760 Speaker 10: the idea that we lock women up and remove them 610 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 10: from their families, their children, right, and we know that 611 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 10: bond is stronger than anything, and innocent or guilty, we 612 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 10: don't care, right, We just do it. 613 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: I'd started sending flown background and updates on Beverly's case 614 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: even before we started digging in. 615 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 10: I can't even think about this case without thinking about 616 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,399 Speaker 10: another Julie from Illinois whose son was murdered, who got 617 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 10: blamed for it. Right with Julie Ray I'm talking about, right, 618 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 10: who is one of my favorite human beings and just 619 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 10: an absolutely remarkable human being. And then there's Michelle Murphy. 620 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 10: And you know, you have these cases where these women 621 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 10: kid even Melissa Lucio, right, any of these ones where 622 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 10: the woman's baby or child is taken from them in 623 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 10: the most horrendous way. That doesn't apply to Melissa, that 624 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 10: was just an accident. In many of these cases where 625 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 10: there is an actual murder, like in Michelle Murphy's case, 626 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 10: they've lost the thing they love most in the world 627 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 10: in the most terrifying way. 628 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: For those not familiar with these high profile cases of 629 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: mothers wrongfully convicted of murdering their own children will link 630 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: to their wrongful conviction episodes in the show description. 631 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 10: And they don't even have a moment to grieve, right, 632 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 10: because they're taken to the police station. Because here's the 633 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 10: other theme. They're the ones who found the body, right, 634 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 10: or they're the ones who are approximate to it. So, 635 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 10: you know, lazy policing if that's maybe. 636 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: That investigating and prosecuting. 637 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 10: Yeah, it's just like, well, you've found the body. You're 638 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 10: good for it, right, It's good enough, it's close enough. 639 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 10: And so I don't know what to tell somebody. Somebody's listening. 640 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 10: They're like, well, what if I find about it? What 641 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 10: should I do? I don't know, go to Brazil. 642 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 2: Unless you want to be the guy. 643 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 10: It's really bad. But I mean you kind of have 644 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 10: to call it in. I mean, what are you going 645 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 10: to like? It's really there's no good answer there. But 646 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 10: you know, keep track of your movements and you know, 647 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 10: and call and get a lawyer quick, because you know, 648 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 10: everyone thinks I shouldn't get lawyercause it makes me look 649 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 10: like I might be guilty. But no, you need to 650 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 10: get a lawyer because it makes you look smart. 651 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: Julie didn't lawyer up. 652 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 3: Not only was she the one to call it in, 653 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 3: she was the last one to see Jade alive. So 654 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 3: she had the double whammy where you're automatically the person 655 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,439 Speaker 3: you're it, you know, like they're not doing any work 656 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 3: beyond that. 657 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 2: And it's exactly what happened to her. 658 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: And they played heavily into the evil stepmother dynamic on this, 659 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: and race was definitely an issue. We went to Marion, 660 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: and I mean it is a lily white town. 661 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 3: I didn't see one black person the entire time I 662 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 3: was there, except at the hotel. 663 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: And aside, Marian is still more diverse than the all 664 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: white jury that found Beverly guilty. Amidst much racially charged 665 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: chatter on social media and local sites before, during, and 666 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: after her trial, post like this one from a Marian 667 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: resident who goes by Chucky quote a black girl killed her, 668 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: so BLM, which stands for Black Lives Matter, and its 669 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:07,240 Speaker 1: idiot followers are doing anything they can to screw the investigation. Linda, 670 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 1: who appears to be a white haired grandma from nearby Buckner, Illinois, 671 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: posted I say in all caps hang the bitch. She 672 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: deserves it, and Daniel from neighboring West Frankfurt brought the 673 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: lynching theme fully home with this should give her a 674 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,720 Speaker 1: tall tree and a short piece of rope. Meanwhile, Renee 675 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,320 Speaker 1: High Tower was receiving voicemails like this one, which was 676 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: left by a pre k teacher from a neighboring town. 677 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 1: Your family's trash, your mixed trash back to Jason Flohm. 678 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 10: I mean, the whole thing is so nuts and it's 679 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 10: like it also reminds me a little bit of the 680 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 10: Christine Bunch case right where the prosecutor in that case, 681 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 10: Ashley said to the jury and she was convicted of 682 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 10: murdering her her only child, four year old, we acknowledge 683 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 10: that we don't have a motive, but that shouldn't prevent you. 684 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 10: I'm paraphrasing, right, but he said, we admitted we don't 685 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 10: have a motive, but that shouldn't prevent you the jury 686 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 10: from convicting, and sure enough they did. So this one's 687 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,879 Speaker 10: like that too. What the hell would the motive possibly. 688 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: Be, Jason, You have no idea? How spot on that 689 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: is because the argument from the prosecution was that they 690 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: couldn't test everything you know, they never presented a motive 691 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: and ultimately they didn't really have any concrete physical evidence. Yeah, 692 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 1: and Julie, very much like all of the red flag 693 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,800 Speaker 1: hallmarks of a wrongful conviction. There was an instant presumption 694 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: of guilt. There was tunnel vision, there was trial in 695 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,800 Speaker 1: the community on social media. She was tried and convicted 696 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: in the local news and again held for two years 697 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: almost before she set foot in that court. 698 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 10: When the forces of prosecution and the whole justice system 699 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 10: police prosecution in this case, to judge all of these 700 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 10: people when they sort of conspire may not be the 701 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 10: right word, but let's use that for lack of a 702 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 10: better one. To railroad somebody. 703 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: They are literally acting. 704 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,720 Speaker 10: In concert in service of the person who actually committed 705 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,800 Speaker 10: the crime, because the single best thing that can happen 706 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 10: to that person is that somebody else gets convicted and 707 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 10: everybody stops looking for them. Right, It's like, hey, you 708 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 10: hit the jackpot, buddy, you got away with it. Bingo. 709 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 10: We have this adversarial system right where the prosecution's trying 710 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,760 Speaker 10: to win and the defense is trying to defend their client. 711 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,919 Speaker 10: What we need is an inquisitorial system, right, We should 712 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 10: all want to get to the truth because whoever did this, 713 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 10: that's a person we need to really reckon. 714 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: With will lay all of that out going forward, but 715 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: others can and did make the case against Beverly based 716 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: on additional back facts we were about to dissect while 717 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: going through the trial transcripts. 718 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 11: The lies, to me were the biggest problem because as 719 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 11: soon as you start lying the law. 720 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,280 Speaker 2: Enforcement and they figure it out. 721 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 11: Immediately, you're done. In their minds, there's no reason to 722 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 11: lie about anything other than the fact that you didn't 723 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,399 Speaker 11: and you're trying to cover your tracks. 724 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: On the next Murder on Songbird Road access to the 725 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: initial interrogation video and DNA collection raises new concerns. 726 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 3: The DNA on the arm, which to me was probably 727 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 3: the smoking gun in this case, and criticism there was 728 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 3: a lot of red flags. 729 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 8: Let me say that if I was training here, I 730 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 8: would have stopped. 731 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: Me while Julie's friends way in on the delay in 732 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: calling nine one one. 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