WEBVTT - Punch Drunk Love with Grace Freud 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the Bechdel Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.920 women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:12.400 or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zeph and Beast 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.280 start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:20.600 Hey Jamie, it's Caitlin. What's your credit card information and 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:22.400 your Social Security number? 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.760 Yeah, I'll give that to you. Okay, I'll give that 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.400 to you. Yeah, write it down, Write it down over 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:31.360 the phone. You're get wild, It's ready. I still do 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.240 that sometimes give it. I should be left in the past, 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.519 like make a purchase over the phone. Every once in 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:39.479 a while, you have to give someone your credit card 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:40.479 number over the phone. 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:42.960 WHOA, I haven't done that in like, I don't know, 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:44.040 probably ten years. 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:46.320 I feel like it's mostly bet On behalf of my 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.240 mom or something where she still like makes purchases and 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:53.200 the like. It's so interesting how boomers are always think 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:56.000 they're like credit card numbers are being stolen, but they're 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:59.400 the ones saying them out loud on the phone, Like 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.880 I don't think they're really taking care. I would give 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:04.040 you my credit card number. 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:06.400 Thanks. 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:11.200 Well, welcome to the Bechel. Feel free to send us 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:14.160 your credit card number. You can definitely trust us. 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:14.920 Trust us. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:16.640 My name is Shamie Loftus. 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.280 My name is Caitlin Deonte. This is our show where 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:23.039 we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.839 Bechdel test as a jumping off point. Jamie, what's that. 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:31.800 Well, there's so many versions of this test. It is 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.759 a media metric created by a dear friend of the show, 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:39.440 maybe even our best friend. We've we spent two minutes 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:41.920 with her in person. She's our dearest friend and we 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.480 love our friend Alison. It's too whole minutes. Yes week 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.120 in Sacramento, a couple of weeks ago. 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.360 I know you guys hung out, but like she's your 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.840 best friend. Now, yeahh did you guys talk about Eddie 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:57.960 Santa Claus movies or eddiething like. 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.880 You don't understand, you don't understand. 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:06.280 I'm kind of like the Robin or in a more 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.920 gender Ermie says, back girl of the back as. And 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:13.079 now all of a sudden, I find out that Alice 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:18.639 Impactel can just Lotchida talk to you for twenty minutes 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.160 and not even seem interested. I saw the picture. 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:26.680 Okay, look wow, And all of a sudden, she's your 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:27.519 best friend. 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.440 She's our best friend, great and our defense. We've been 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:32.720 begging her to be our friend for nine years. 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.240 Grace. If it makes you feel any better, you're our 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:36.920 bestest friend. 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.960 I mean, I guess. I guess. I would like to 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:44.000 say that makes me feel better, But I think the 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:48.079 truth is I'm gonna go to become a banelike character 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.639 for the podcast. 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.360 Come back with the mask and. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:03:07.120 The mad man definition. Let me see dearly yearly what. Okay, 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.160 that's too much. I thought it would look more like 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:10.160 a bane mask. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:16.639 Or something, just like the Baines's voice is like right 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:21.080 up there in the pantheon of like voices that haunt 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.600 me from high school. Yeah, just be social studies class 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:27.960 is full of teenagers doing the bain voice. 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:32.480 Okay, I'm sorry to disagree with you, JB. But the 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.800 Dark Knight Prizes came out two years after you graduated 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:37.520 in high school. 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:41.240 Okay, maybe I look whatever college college. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:46.000 Really, I'm just telling you because I took my entire 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:50.280 family to see the Dark Knight Rises as like a 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.640 nice thing. I don't know why. 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:53.080 I thought. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.720 I was like, I'm gonna do this nice thing, and 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:56.560 I hated it. 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:58.120 It's not a very good movie. 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.680 I didn't see it in theaters because I was sick 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.200 of the voice, which is why I didn't see so 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.000 many movies when they so Bane's in the third one, 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:06.920 not the second one. 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.320 Bain is in the third one. Okay, and I'll tell 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:13.160 you this, Tom Hardy rocks it. But the problem with 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.320 that movie is they they don't let him just be 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:20.800 the villain, you know, like there's gotta be this tall, 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.080 y'all ghoul character that pops up. 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:24.680 Oh, that's right. 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:28.640 Also, it was like, so they like make Batman lose 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.000 all of his money, and like how they do that 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.520 is Baine just like takes over the stock market and 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.680 presses a button and. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.279 Then takes his credit card information. He takes his credit 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.960 card information and his social Security number, and he bleeds 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:44.440 him dry. 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:49.360 He does what Georgia did to Bury. Wow, it all 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:49.920 comes around. 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:54.320 We're talking about Punch Drunk Love today, not Dark Knight Rises. 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.680 My favorite movie, my favorite movie of all time is 0:04:58.760 --> 0:04:59.600 Punch Drunk Glove. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.240 Well, listen, listeners, you can google what the Bechdel test is. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.240 Because we didn't get we didn't get that far. 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.560 We just passed it until we started talking about Bane. 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:14.200 Until the Bechdel test posits that if two women are 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.160 in a movie and they talk about something I find 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.680 personally interesting, then it's good. 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:24.720 Yes. Wait, so, so Punch Trunk Love is your favorite movie? 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:26.239 Tell us about your history with this movie. 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.520 Yeah, I've seen Punch Drunk Love probably more than I've 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:35.000 seen any other movie, except for maybe Muppet Christmas Carol 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.560 or the Rankin Bass like Specials if you want to 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:42.480 call them movies, or maybe Elf. Okay, outside of the 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.599 Christmas category, have any Christmas movie? 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:47.480 Well, what about the Santa Claus? 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:53.840 That's true? Also, Actually I didn't. Oh, yes, okay, I'll 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:55.000 let you introduce me now. 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.640 Oh, it's okay. Our guest is a writer, a comedian. 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:01.920 She's in the upcoming movie We Are Pat and you 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:06.320 remember her from our episodes on the Santa Claus franchise. 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:08.479 It's Grace freyd Hi. 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:13.160 Everybody, we're really kind of like branching out this time. 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:16.280 I didn't even really realize that this is our first 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:18.240 non Santa Claus related endeavor. 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.360 It is our first non Santa Claus related endeavor. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:23.960 Check in, How is everybody feeling about this? 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.200 It's strange. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:32.920 I do think I am shocked. I still haven't seen 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:34.800 the second season of The Santa Claus. 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.120 That is shocking, I know, and I do. 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.680 I haven't seen it either. I feel like were we 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:41.840 to watch it, we would still be like in the 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.559 first hundred people that have seen it, Yeah, they didn't 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:47.760 advertise it at all, so. 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.880 Certainly in the first hundred people that have had a 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:57.120 conversation about it, yes, you know, certainly. It's really the slop. 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:59.560 I mean, this is getting me down. I think that 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.760 they so much slop this movie series that I think 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.040 even the third one was so fun. You know, it 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:10.560 was weird, but it was so fun. Aesthetically, nothing I think. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.320 What kills me about the show The Santa Clauses is 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.360 it just not shot like a movie. It's just shot 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:17.000 like slop. 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:21.040 You know it's it does yet it looks very ai. 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:26.000 I don't know. Although much like The Santa Claus Punch, 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:30.840 Trunck Love stars a popular nineties comedian taking a turn 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.920 and trying something new out like being in a prestige 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.320 rom com or being Santa Claus two pass. 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:42.280 That is so true. 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:44.720 It's the parallels are striking. 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:50.200 Speaking of two roads, I remember a time, the time 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.280 that my mom brought me to see Little Fokkers in 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.040 or it was maybe Meet the Fokers. It was Meet 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.640 the Fokers, not Little Foker's. And Hunstream Glove was out 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.320 at the same time, and I really wanted to go 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:06.800 see Punch Drunk Love because I loved Adam Sandler, and 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.200 my mom would not let me go see it. She said, 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.920 look to adult and then she brings me to meet 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.760 the Fockers, which is just all Penis jokes. The whole time. 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.600 I was like, I don't have to meet the Fockers. 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:18.720 Is the alternative? 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:23.800 She wasn't wrong, but but I do wonder what my 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:25.960 life would be like. I thought, I think about this 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.440 someone often if she had let me see Punch Drunk 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.880 Love with her, because I think I would have even 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.280 been taken with it at that age. I would I 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.679 think I was like eight or nine. I think I 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:41.800 would have been really taken with it, you know, because 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.200 it's a I don't know, it's the most special film 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.160 in the world to me. It just it's a movie that, 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:55.679 you know, I think that I can't. I can't like 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.280 this is gonna sound crazy, like it's something that I 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.199 would say is a joke, but it's one hundred percent 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:08.480 sincere Barry Egan. Adam Sandler's character in Punchdrunk Love is 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.439 the character I most relate to, I think, in maybe 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:18.480 all of fiction. And it's because, you know, when I 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.000 first saw this movie, I was eighteen, and I had 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.480 to watch it for a film class and I had 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.160 to do a shot breakdown of the whole movie. So 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.280 I had to watch it again and again and again 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.800 and again, and then I had to write my final 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:38.760 project about the diegetic versus non diegetic sound in the film. 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.120 And I think it really taught me about stories and 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:47.880 like the different components of a I mean like it 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.679 made me appreciate it. After that I did that, it 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.160 was hard to really hate a movie ever, you know, 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:58.680 like will you get such an appreciation for the mix 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.000 of it all? You know? And I mean I think 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:06.320 that I wouldn't love Megalopolis if I didn't see Punch 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:07.679 Drunk Love one hundred times. 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:13.400 First, okay, okay, it's at the eleven minute mark Megalopolis 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:17.600 was mentioned. I was, okay that I was really creous 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:19.880 because what we when you were originally going to come 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.559 on late last year, it was going to be Megalopolis. 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:27.199 And then when we finally scheduled it was Punchdrunk Love, 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.439 and I was like, do I bring up Megalopolis? And 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:31.400 then I was like, no, Grace will on her own, 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:35.559 and there it is. There's no way Megalopolis will not 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:36.120 come up. 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:42.920 It's it's it's we'll get more to Megalopolis. But a 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:44.160 movie I genuinely love. 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:46.880 Also, this is ultimately about Megalopolis. 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.240 This is all everything. Well, the thing is, everything's kind 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:54.280 of about Megalopolis because everything is about the future. Oh 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:59.120 you know it's lead back, yes, but like in a 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:08.680 way all roads duly to me by so Punch Trunk Club. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:13.559 I'm seeing and this point of my life when my 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:18.400 brain is falling apart, I'm having these huge manic spikes. 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:24.079 I'm losing a lot of friends. My bipolar disorder started 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:27.520 to really set in when I was like sixteen seventeen, 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.640 and it reached a real fever pitch by my first 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:36.280 year of college. You know, I'm having these experiences where 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:40.240 I'm like not remembering things I've said, and like, I 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:45.160 have these moments of such intense emotion that are coupled 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:50.120 with long stretches of I'm just kind of in my 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.319 room and I'm being chill, and I and I'm kind 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.719 of feeling like, well, why why can't people see me 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:02.120 as this person who wants to being nice, you know, 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.360 And I can't stop drink. Drinking is a big part 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.000 of it, and using is a big part of it, 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:14.679 and it's just out of control. And so I'm spending 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.680 these long stretches just in my dorm room too, because 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.280 I feel like I'm scared of interacting with people and 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:26.040 scared of I just don't know what my emotions are 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.280 gonna be and how they're gonna shoot. And I've had 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:29.839 that kind of since I was a kid, but it 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:35.120 got to this really bad place, and I'm like seeing 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:39.439 my therapist a few times a week. I'm trying different medications, 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.439 and some of these medications have really harsh side effects, 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.800 you know, Like I try Abilify once and I'm like 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:52.480 literally drooling all the time. I'm having these intense panic attacks. 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:55.920 And also I'm kind of being a dick because I'm 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.040 like dealing with all of this and I just don't, 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.280 you know, this was me at a big like a 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.560 big bottom, and I look back, you know, I'm someone 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.840 in recovery. I look back at different bottoms I've had, 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:14.160 and I definitely the drinking and using was part of it. 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.840 But I think the big thing was I'm being hit 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:20.719 with bipolar one, this huge, huge mental health disorder that 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.120 I think people are very glib about off it, you know, 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.640 or people call themselves by polar Yeah, we all know this, 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:32.439 people do that online. Yeah, But bipolar one is I 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:36.520 think it's very hard to understand what mania is, like 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.079 like medical mania, if you haven't been in it, you know, 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.199 and then you snap out of it, You're like, why 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.400 did I act like that? And there's not like the 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:49.960 reason is you were manic, you know, But that's hard 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.440 to get across to other people that are also eighteen 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:56.880 and figuring stuff out. You know, I was sick. I 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:00.480 was not not unleathium yet, which ended up being the 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:04.679 thing that really helped. And if anybody is listening to 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.400 this and it's afraid of trying with me, I'm like, 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:12.440 I was because you've heard a million bad stories about it. Well, 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.760 you know. So that's the thing that if you do 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.680 have bipolar, what if you are keep having menic episodes, 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.680 give it a shot, you know, because it's this thing 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.160 that like if you if you do have the deficit 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.840 in your head when you start taking it. It's night 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:29.960 and day, you know, after a few weeks, and you 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.320 get through through through that. But also, since I was 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.680 a kid, I had problems with emotional spikes to some degrees, 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:41.120 and I always had this feeling of like just being 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:45.200 so put upon, and so it was hard for me 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:51.440 to take responsibility for the consequences of those spikes or 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.640 tantrums or whatever you want to call them, because my 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:58.520 life felt so hard that I'm like, don't you see 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:03.360 how shitty everything is? Just ignore that, you know. I 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:08.080 never let that be. And Punch Trump Glove is this 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.480 film that has this character Barry Egan in it that 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:16.480 is just so sweet and so has closed himself off 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:22.080 to the world, mostly in my interpretation from his acknowledgement 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.880 that he has this anger and this mania in him, 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:28.880 you know. And I you know, I didn't even know 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.400 the term neurodivergent at the time, and I don't know 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.360 if I even love that term. But as someone who 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:41.160 really struggles with understanding certain emotional things sometimes or like, 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:45.160 I've really had to work on a lot of those 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:49.920 different things, and I'm so I can be very obsessive 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:53.760 about certain things and not let them go. I just 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.480 saw someone who was so you know, not kind of 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.960 loud and gregarious like I can be. But Barri's quiet 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:05.640 moments look so much like my quiet moments, and his 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:11.440 outbursts look so much like my outbursts, and his desire 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.200 for everyone to just see him as this person who 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.840 isn't just those outbursts because most of the time he 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:23.840 is just fine, was so palpable. I think what Adam 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:29.040 Sandler does on this role is just beautiful. I think 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:33.640 it's his best role by far. Like I think what 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:39.600 he does in Uncut Gems is slick and funny and 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:44.280 impressive and emotional. But what he does in Punched Drunk 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:50.480 Glove is he really makes all the wants and desires 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:56.440 and loves and resentments of this very quiet character so 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:01.040 apparent moment to moment to moment to moment. And he's 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.520 also very funny while he does it. I you know, 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.920 this is a funny film. Yeah, whenever somebody says, well, 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.159 Paul Thomas Anderson calls it his romantic comedy, but it's 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:15.600 not really funny and like, hey, what, like what do 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.440 you do you just like with somebody of shit on 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.280 the floor, Like right, I feel like it's. 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.520 Like they're What they're trying to say is like, it's 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.560 not funny in the way that an Adam Sandler comedy 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.720 is quote unquote is supposed to be funny. But like, 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.600 you can't watch the scene where he's ranting about putting 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.960 for thirty seconds and be like, I'm that's I feel 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:38.480 nothing like it's great. 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.600 It has one of I think the funniest lines in 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:47.719 all of cinema, which is after Barry smashes the deck window, hm, 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.040 it cuts to the closet that he's in calming down 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.320 and his sister's husband, his brother in law, comes in 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.879 and there he's like you're He goes, you're a doctor, right, 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:04.840 and he's like yeah, and he's like could you maybe 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:09.680 you know you have like someone like you help people 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:15.000 with problems, like emotional problems, and the brother in lago's 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:20.800 very I'm a dentist. Yeah. It's perfect, And this is 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:25.000 all in the This film does something that I think 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:32.720 Makelawfelis also does very well, which is I had all 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:38.320 one opera, you know, the whole thing start to finish 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:42.840 is such one big story, musical story quill you know. 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:49.040 But I see in Barry so much of myself and 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.879 I think the story is so beautiful because he finds 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:56.680 someone who understands him and views him, like really views 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:00.399 his humanity. And you see that holy, you see that 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:06.399 like in its entirety because when Lena is left at 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:10.040 the hospital, when he like ditches her and you get 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:14.479 you understand why he's doing it, but she meets him 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.639 with like this hurt me. It's not like she just 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:19.240 sees him and it's like, okay, so you can do 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.200 whatever because you got a weird brain, you know. She 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:25.320 like she really treats him as a person that she 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.920 also has expectations of and love for and understand me. 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.120 They all come together, you know. And I have found 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:36.560 in my life being the person that I am, it's 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:41.320 very hard to find someone that does all of that, 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.600 you know, and isn't like a switch, you know. I 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:49.440 feel like as a mentally ill person, I've been in 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:54.640 relationships where either they are totally supportive to a point 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:58.800 that's maybe not like healthy, you know, or they're done 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:00.920 with it, you know, and it's like a switch that 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.040 can go on and off and on and off, you know. 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:06.760 And I think it's really beautiful that she's able to 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.720 like she just she knows herself so well and what 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.879 she wants, and she's able to not change that based 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.920 on Barry. He just happens to be someone she does 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:20.960 love and want. I think this is the greatest love 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:24.520 story of all time, and it's a it's very taum. 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.600 It takes place in apartments, yeah, and in the San 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:29.399 Fernando Valley, you. 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:34.480 Know, like over the course of like four days. Maybe, Yeah, 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:35.200 it's pretty tight. 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.040 Yeah, it's more than four days because we don't quite 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:39.360 know how long they're in Hawaii. 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:43.159 Oh ray, I forgot Okay, so yeah, maybe maybe as 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:47.080 much as two weeks, but it's still pretty quick. 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:51.320 And this goes to my next contention, which is I'm 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.320 going to ask a question that I don't know why, 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.240 but you two never seem to get along to asking 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:02.000 on this podcast, which is does this film pass the 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:08.080 Bechdel Test? And my answer is yes, it does. And 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:09.520 the reason you're acting like we. 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:12.159 Were, like we started the show by saying it doesn't. 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:18.480 Okay, Well, this is first, this is my reasoning. Adam 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:24.600 Sandler's character, very Egot is a woman. Okay, expand on that, 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:34.720 Oh God, I should have thought more about it. I 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:39.879 don't think that there was any intention on on Paul 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:47.080 or Adam's parts to suggest that Barry is trans, nor 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:50.640 do I think you know, I'm I'm of the mindset, 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:55.000 generally speaking, that someone is trans if they say they're trans, 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.960 if not like the Kurt Cobain stuff, everyone says Kurt 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:02.320 Cobain is a transform And I think it's beautiful to 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:05.879 like see that Kirk Cobain had an understanding of his 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:09.760 gender that seemed expansive in some way. But I'm not 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:13.840 going to take away his right to have said who 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:16.480 he was or not while he was living, you know. 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:23.680 I but very to me is someone who is so 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:30.600 he's he has seven evil sisters and which feels. 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:35.720 So like fairy tale coded somehow, yes, is a. 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:41.000 Fairy tale and he's constantly mocked by them for being 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:42.320 gay and not a man. 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:42.760 You know. 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:47.720 He has this like man costume, you know, in the suit, the. 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:50.760 Blue suit, and he wears in every scene of the movie. 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:54.360 I think, this beautiful blue suit that's supposed to look cheap, 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:55.680 but I think looks beautiful. 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:57.840 I think it looks great well, and I loved how 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:01.240 subtly it's put in that like it's weird to people 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:03.280 that he's wearing it. Because like, this is the only 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:05.879 thing we know he's wearing, but every like more than 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:07.639 one of his sisters are like, what the fuck are 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:10.160 you wearing? And it's like he's trying something out. 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:17.119 His colleague comments on it too, Gusman, Yeah, who. 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:20.680 Is great in it too. Louis Guzman is so funny. 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:21.879 At its to your character actor. 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:25.720 He is the only character in the whole thing who's 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:29.399 he's he's in a fairytale. You know. Everyone else is 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:33.399 kind of going about their lives and Louis Guzman is like, 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:36.399 how many of her free stories are we going to 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:37.000 go to get? 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:43.119 He's great, He's my dad's favorite actor. Oh my Louis 0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:46.440 Guzman head. I think mostly because of Boogie Knights, but 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:50.000 also Louise Guzman's in like hundreds of movies and yeah, 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:51.160 he's so great. 0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:55.960 And you know, I think that, uh, he's so the 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:58.840 skin that he is, in the life that he has, 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:03.680 he seems to be looking for beauty and intimacy that 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.440 is outside of what is expected for him, which I 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:11.240