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Speaker 1: On the Bechdel Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zeph and Beast

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 2: Hey Jamie, it's Caitlin. What's your credit card information and

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Speaker 2: your Social Security number?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll give that to you. Okay, I'll give that

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Speaker 3: to you. Yeah, write it down, Write it down over

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Speaker 3: the phone. You're get wild, It's ready. I still do

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Speaker 3: that sometimes give it. I should be left in the past,

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Speaker 3: like make a purchase over the phone. Every once in

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Speaker 3: a while, you have to give someone your credit card

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Speaker 3: number over the phone.

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Speaker 2: WHOA, I haven't done that in like, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: probably ten years.

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Speaker 3: I feel like it's mostly bet On behalf of my

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Speaker 3: mom or something where she still like makes purchases and

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Speaker 3: the like. It's so interesting how boomers are always think

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Speaker 3: they're like credit card numbers are being stolen, but they're

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Speaker 3: the ones saying them out loud on the phone, Like

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're really taking care. I would give

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Speaker 3: you my credit card number.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 3: Well, welcome to the Bechel. Feel free to send us

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Speaker 3: your credit card number. You can definitely trust us.

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Speaker 2: Trust us.

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Speaker 3: My name is Shamie Loftus.

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Speaker 2: My name is Caitlin Deonte. This is our show where

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Speaker 2: we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the

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Speaker 2: Bechdel test as a jumping off point. Jamie, what's that.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's so many versions of this test. It is

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Speaker 3: a media metric created by a dear friend of the show,

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Speaker 3: maybe even our best friend. We've we spent two minutes

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Speaker 3: with her in person. She's our dearest friend and we

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Speaker 3: love our friend Alison. It's too whole minutes. Yes week

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Speaker 3: in Sacramento, a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 4: I know you guys hung out, but like she's your

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Speaker 4: best friend. Now, yeahh did you guys talk about Eddie

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Speaker 4: Santa Claus movies or eddiething like.

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Speaker 3: You don't understand, you don't understand.

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of like the Robin or in a more

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Speaker 4: gender Ermie says, back girl of the back as. And

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Speaker 4: now all of a sudden, I find out that Alice

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Speaker 4: Impactel can just Lotchida talk to you for twenty minutes

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Speaker 4: and not even seem interested. I saw the picture.

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Speaker 2: Okay, look wow, And all of a sudden, she's your

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Speaker 3: She's our best friend, great and our defense. We've been

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Speaker 3: begging her to be our friend for nine years.

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Speaker 2: Grace. If it makes you feel any better, you're our

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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess. I guess. I would like to

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Speaker 4: say that makes me feel better, But I think the

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Speaker 4: truth is I'm gonna go to become a banelike character

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Speaker 4: for the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Come back with the mask and.

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Speaker 4: The mad man definition. Let me see dearly yearly what. Okay,

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Speaker 4: that's too much. I thought it would look more like

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Speaker 3: Or something, just like the Baines's voice is like right

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Speaker 3: me from high school. Yeah, just be social studies class

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Speaker 3: is full of teenagers doing the bain voice.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm sorry to disagree with you, JB. But the

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Speaker 4: Dark Knight Prizes came out two years after you graduated

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Speaker 3: Okay, maybe I look whatever college college.

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Speaker 4: Really, I'm just telling you because I took my entire

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Speaker 4: I was like, I'm gonna do this nice thing, and

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Speaker 3: I didn't see it in theaters because I was sick

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Speaker 4: you this, Tom Hardy rocks it. But the problem with

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Speaker 4: Also, it was like, so they like make Batman lose

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Speaker 2: Then takes his credit card information. He takes his credit

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Speaker 3: He does what Georgia did to Bury. Wow, it all

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Speaker 2: We're talking about Punch Drunk Love today, not Dark Knight Rises.

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Speaker 4: My favorite movie, my favorite movie of all time is

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Speaker 4: Punch Drunk Glove.

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Speaker 3: Well, listen, listeners, you can google what the Bechdel test is.

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Speaker 3: Because we didn't get we didn't get that far.

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Speaker 2: We just passed it until we started talking about Bane.

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Speaker 4: Until the Bechdel test posits that if two women are

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Speaker 3: Yes. Wait, so, so Punch Trunk Love is your favorite movie?

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Speaker 3: Tell us about your history with this movie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen Punch Drunk Love probably more than I've

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Speaker 4: seen any other movie, except for maybe Muppet Christmas Carol

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Speaker 4: call them movies, or maybe Elf. Okay, outside of the

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Speaker 4: That's true? Also, Actually I didn't. Oh, yes, okay, I'll

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Speaker 4: let you introduce me now.

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Speaker 2: She's in the upcoming movie We Are Pat and you

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Speaker 3: Everybody, we're really kind of like branching out this time.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even really realize that this is our first

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Speaker 3: Check in, How is everybody feeling about this?

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Speaker 2: It's strange.

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Speaker 4: I do think I am shocked. I still haven't seen

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Speaker 3: You know it's it does yet it looks very ai.

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Speaker 3: Trunck Love stars a popular nineties comedian taking a turn

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Speaker 4: That is so true.

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Speaker 2: It's the parallels are striking.

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's we'll get more to Megalopolis. But a

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Speaker 3: Also, this is ultimately about Megalopolis.

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Speaker 5: not for lack of effort on his part. It's like

436
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 5: these family dynamics are.

437
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 3: A fucking nightmare. Like yeah, you know, we could talk

438
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: about that in a bit too.

439
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 4: Yes, Friendship and pun Trunk Love have main characters that

440
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 4: are our lonely men. But Friendship seems to posit that

441
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 4: male loneliness has a unique aspect to it, or like

442
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 4: to focus to focus on those unique aspects. I'm not

443
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 4: saying that there aren't some unique things, you know, Like

444
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 4: their big tagline was like men shouldn't have friends, and

445
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 4: there's you know, like yadi aadiyada, right, And I'm like,

446
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 4: great movie, funny movie. Unstrunk Love is anything is about

447
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 4: the universality of loneliness, you know, And I'm not just

448
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 4: talking about Barry and Lena. I'm talking about Mary min

449
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 4: Rashka playing the main sister that you see is Lena's friend. Yeah,

450
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 4: her loneliness, her desire to have something to do in

451
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 4: her life, which happens to be harassing her brother. You know,

452
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 4: the loneliness of of Philip Seymour Hoffin's character Dean what's his.

453
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: Name, I kep Dean Furniture, Dean Mattress, Dean Trumbull, Dean Trumble,

454
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 3: Trumble Mattress in frind.

455
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a lonely man.

456
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: You know.

457
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 4: Obviously he's just sparking orders. There's no he has no

458
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 4: peers because he's put himself on the top of his

459
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 4: trashy you know, the ladies behind it. Like everyone in

460
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 4: this movie is lonely, and it's that's this, it's this.

461
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 4: It's another similarity to Megalopolis in that like it's this

462
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 4: big thematic orchestral piece. But the thing about like everybody

463
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 4: in Punish Trunk Club is lonely. Everybody in Migalopolis is

464
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 4: upset about megalopolisliness.

465
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 3: But it's a universe, but the universality of the feeling. No, Yeah,

466
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: I do think that this is like a big story

467
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: about just capital l loneliness that anyone can sort of

468
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: tap into really quick. Kitlyn, what's your history.

469
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 4: With this movie?

470
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: I had seen this movie once before. I remember thinking

471
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: how different it was from every other Adam Sandler led

472
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: movie I had seen up until that point.

473
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 3: I feel like that was the headline at the time, too, right, Yeah.

474
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: And I was I think, like many people who saw

475
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: this movie, including Adam Sandler himself, I was shocked that

476
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: he had any capacity for versatility. But I was like, wow,

477
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: he actually like does a good job and he plays

478
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: a character that I don't hate. And to be fair,

479
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: you know, when I was young, I was watching Billy

480
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: Madison and living, laughing, loving it. But by the time

481
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: this movie came out, I was like pretty sick of

482
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: his little antics. But then I was like, wow, he's

483
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: he's good, and uh, that's pretty much it. Paul Thomas

484
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: Anderson is he can be hit or miss For me.

485
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: I like movies of his like Magnolia and Boogie Nights.

486
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: Phantom Thread, I didn't really like the first time I

487
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: watched it. I think I might need to go back

488
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: and rewatch it else. I hate liquorice pizza, and I

489
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: have to say that out loud.

490
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: I didn't like Phantom threadfoor I didn't. I didn't connect

491
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 3: with Phantom Thread the first time I saw it, and

492
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: then the second through three thousand times I saw it,

493
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, so well, but I had that

494
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 3: experience a lot with his movie, specifically where it doesn't

495
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: always connect with me on the first watch. But I

496
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: also I haven't gone back to liquorice Pizza. I wasn't

497
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: a big fan of it.

498
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: I will always hate that movie no matter what.

499
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure Phantom Thread is another film that I

500
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 4: really connected with the protagonist. And because uh, I think

501
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 4: that Reynolds Woodcock and Barry Eating are two sides of

502
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 4: the same coin in some ways. But Barry is dealing

503
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 4: with his loneliness and fear by acting as if he

504
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 4: has no control and no agency in his life, and

505
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 4: Reynolds Woodcock is acting as if he has total control

506
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 4: and complete agency in his life. You know, they're both

507
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 4: obsessive too, but about one is about trying to.

508
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: Like trying to accumulate.

509
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 4: Of himself, you know, yeah, yes, yeah, but he's he's

510
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 4: like before he has a reason to use the airline miles,

511
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 4: he's accumulating them simply because it seems like a smart

512
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 4: thing for him to do, right that might make people

513
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 4: respect him or like be a good resource.

514
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: In the reveal that he has never, in fact been

515
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 3: on a plane before is like, so I just thought,

516
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: like the pacing of like how stuff is revealed in

517
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 3: this movie is so good because you just do assume

518
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 3: that someone accumulating airline miles has been on a plane.

519
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: I love it.

520
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, but I totally see that connection of Yeah,

521
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: they're both obsessed with control, but one is obsessed with

522
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: the lack of it he has, and the other is

523
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 3: trying to maintain the control he imposes, and.

524
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 4: He's creating this like fake identity. Yeah, like he doesn't

525
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 4: care about his warehouse or like you know, like he's

526
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 4: he's a man with no passion until he finds it.

527
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 4: And Reynolds is a person that has all the passion

528
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 4: in the world and no capacity to take a moment

529
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 4: of like seed any of that passion.

530
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

531
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 4: For the reality of a relationship, the reality of a family,

532
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 4: Yadi Yadi Audiata, Paul Thomas Anderson, I love you all

533
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 4: the baby, I.

534
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: Need to rewatch throw it again. Jamie, what is your

535
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: history with Punch Drunk Glove.

536
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: I really like this movie. I saw it for the

537
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: first time in college and I've revisited it from time

538
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: to time. It's not my favorite Paul Thomas Anderson. I'm

539
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: I think I'm ultimately there will be Blood, Girly. My

540
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: brother and I used to do a really powerful double

541
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: feature of There Will Be Blood and Doubt, and that

542
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: was our late two thousands double feature that we would do.

543
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: Really wanted to think some big thoughts. So I am

544
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: ultimately there will be Blood girl. But I also love

545
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 3: that this movie is sandwich between Magnolia and There Will

546
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: Be Blood. There's just the guys. Got range Io had

547
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: a funny letterbox review of this movie where it was

548
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 3: like something akin to like, oh yeah, like Paul Thomas

549
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: Anderson made Magnolia and then was like, oh wait, I

550
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: should make a movie that's short, and that is how

551
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: we came to get Punch Drunk Love.

552
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

553
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: I really like this movie. I've never really watched it

554
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: with a critical lens at all. I just this is

555
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: very much a movie I've just let wash over me

556
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: in the in the many times I've seen it, so

557
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 3: I'm excited to talk about it.

558
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break, and then we'll come back

559
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: for the recap.

560
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: And we're back.

561
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: Here's the recap of Punch Drunk Love. We meet Barry

562
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: Egan played by Adam Sandler in his office, which we

563
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: will eventually learn is inside a warehouse slash business that

564
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: wholesale sells toilet plungers.

565
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 4: Awesome, not just toilet plungers, novelty toilet plungers.

566
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that seemed to have water in the hand. Question

567
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: markers funger.

568
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 4: I don't know what that is, but they're fun.

569
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: They're fun, he says.

570
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 4: Keep them at eye level so that the kids can

571
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 4: see him.

572
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 2: Ye, yes, yes, yes. So he's on the phone asking

573
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: about some like airline miles promotion that's going to come back,

574
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 2: of course. Then he steps outside and sees a bizarre

575
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: sequence of events. First, a horrific car crash that never

576
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: comes back in any way or I don't. I'm like,

577
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: is this a metaphor? I don't understand what this was?

578
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: And then another vehicle pulls up right in front of him,

579
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 2: drops off a little miniature piano, and speeds off a harmonium.

580
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: Shortly after that, a woman played by Emily Watson pulls up.

581
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: She's there to leave her car at the auto mechanic

582
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 2: next door, but they're not open yet, so she leaves

583
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: her car keys with Barry to pass them on to

584
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: the mechanic and he's like, oh, okay, beca because.

585
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: He says no at first, he says.

586
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: He's reluctant because the thing with him is we've alluded

587
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: to is that he has a significant amount of social anxiety.

588
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 2: He is awkward in social situations, he's quite jumpy, has

589
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: like a nervous energy in general. Then Barry brings what's

590
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 2: it called a harmonium.

591
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 4: A harmonium, yes, which is like a piano accordion, but

592
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 4: like an accordion like has the piano, but it's like

593
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: it's like upright and it's broken.

594
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: Oh, and that's why he puts the tape on.

595
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 4: You has to fix it.

596
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like Barry himself.

597
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 4: And he just puts it on top of his desk.

598
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 4: It covers like this whole desk for the rest of

599
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 4: the movie. It's just yeah, I do love that.

600
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's it's just like a yet another thing

601
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: that anyone he encounters is like what is that? What

602
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 3: the fuck is that? And he's like, oh, it's just

603
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: this thing.

604
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so that when he starts a busy day

605
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: of work where he and his colleague Lands played by

606
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 2: Luis Gusmann, are selling the fungers, but Barry keeps getting

607
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: interrupted when his many sisters call him asking if he's

608
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: going to a party tonight. One of his sisters even

609
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: shows up. This is Elizabeth played by Marilynn Rashcub, who

610
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: says that she wants to bring a friend of hers

611
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: to the party who she wants Barry to meet, but

612
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: he is not into this idea, though he does seem

613
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: to be thinking about the woman who dropped off her car.

614
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, I guess what bitches, Wait, we don't know that.

615
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we don't know yet, but it is the

616
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: same woman. Anyway. We cut to Barry showing up at

617
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: the party. It's his seven sisters and their husbands, and

618
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: they're all very antagonistic toward him. They're reminiscing about how

619
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 2: they bullied him, how when they were kids he threw

620
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: a hammer through a glass door, and.

621
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 4: They importantly ask, hmm, how do you get the hammer?

622
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 4: And nobody has an answer.

623
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: I like this, I mean we can talk about because

624
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 3: the sisters feel very fairy tale coded to me. You know,

625
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: they are outside of Elizabeth, very indistinguishable from one another.

626
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 3: They are all sort of this like, you know, and

627
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 3: they're you know. We could talk about how the antagonists

628
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: in this story are generally women at some point, but

629
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: but I did, like, I thought the casting on the

630
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: sisters was so good, like that sequence. It just this

631
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: is a movie where this isn't even true of all

632
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: Paul Thomas Anderson movies, where everyone looks basically normal, like

633
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 3: everyone looks like you could meet them, and I just like, it's,

634
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: you know, it's a very white movie, like I'm not

635
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: you know, but this is like Adam Sandlor and Emily

636
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: Watson look like people you could meet in the world

637
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: as a couple, and as someone who saw Materialists last night,

638
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: I value that. I value people that look like they

639
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 3: exist in the world. I mean, and his whole family too.

640
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 4: Emily Watson is a very beautiful woman but is never

641
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: presented by the film is like houci Mama, what's going on?

642
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: You know?

643
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 4: Okay, which a lot of even like Fancy Dancy remained

644
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: a comedies that are not like horny like in the

645
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: Nana's Only Round common like classical way are like Oh,

646
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 4: look at this woman. You want to fuck so bad,

647
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 4: you know, right, Like it's like that is kind of

648
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 4: how she's presented in some way, you know, but that's

649
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 4: not in this movie. She's just a lady. Yeah, a

650
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 4: beautiful lady about a lady exactly. Yeah.

651
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: Like the way she's framed in the way that she,

652
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, acts like you could tell they're interested

653
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 3: in each other. You can tell they're falling in love.

654
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: But it's not like super didactic in the way it's shown.

655
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 3: I just I love when people are in movies and

656
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: they have regular teeth.

657
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so they're talking about this thing. They do

658
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: say where he got the hammer? He was building a doghouse.

659
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: His one sister comes out from the bathroom and she's like,

660
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: he was building a doghouse. But anyway, this, you know,

661
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: triggers some bad emotions in him, and he kind of

662
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 2: snaps and he kicks a bunch of windows or sliding

663
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: glass doors and they shatter and everyone's like, what the

664
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: fuck man? And then he confides in his brother in

665
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: law in a scene that we briefly mentioned, but he

666
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: says he doesn't like himself. He might want psychiatric help.

667
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes he cries for no reason, and then he bursts

668
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: into tears. We cut to Burry at the grocery store

669
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: shopping for healthy choice products that have this promotion where

670
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: you get a bunch of frequent Flyer miles if you

671
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: buy you know, ten frozen meals or ten puddings, and

672
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 2: you'll get even more miles if you have this certain coupon.

673
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: And we see him clipping this coupon, and as he's

674
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: doing that, he notices an ad for a phone sex hotline,

675
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: so he calls the number. He gives his credit card information,

676
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: his address, his social security number, and he starts talking

677
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: to a woman named Georgia who is trying to do

678
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: her job. She's trying to do phone sex, and it's

679
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: clear that again he just wanted someone to talk to,

680
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: so he's not really doing phone sex. Back he eventually

681
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: goes to bed side. Note he has one of those

682
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: clap on clap off lights.

683
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 3: Such a good detail. Oh I love it.

684
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: All my nipples are going to the clap off light.

685
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 3: I will say that the thing that I found myself

686
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: connecting with Barry the hardest on is like that sequence

687
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: that happens right before where he's asking his brother in

688
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: law like can you get me help? You know, and

689
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: his brother in law, I think, like many of the

690
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: men specifically in this movie, does want to help him

691
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 3: but doesn't really know how and sort of just doesn't

692
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 3: really do anything. And then Barry like channels his energy

693
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: instead into this like hyper specific task. So he's like, Okay,

694
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 3: I tried to get help, I wasn't able to get help.

695
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: We're going back to the pudding thing.

696
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 5: And I.

697
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: Have experienced that spiral a number of times over the

698
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: years of like, well I did my best, and now

699
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 3: back to my hyper specific task.

700
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: If you name a few, I can't think of any

701
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 4: that I've seen you do.

702
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean it's I was like, wait, really yeah,

703
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: But it's like I don't know. It's fun to see

704
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: stuff like that too, because it's also like he's doing

705
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: the kind of things that I also do, but that

706
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: like you don't tell people you're doing the pudding thing, right,

707
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 3: Like it's I love that he's doing the pudding thing

708
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 3: and he's thinking about it and like, well, I don't

709
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: want to spend two dollars in the karaoke I can.

710
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 3: I can, Like there's a whole like matrix of information.

711
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 4: I was like ah. He also makes sure the pudding

712
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 4: thing is ethical. For the record, she's off the phone

713
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: with the health Insuran we thought the GETTI and he's

714
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 4: asking them, are you aware that this could you know? Result?

715
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the monetary value of the price is way more

716
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: and they're just like, I don't know. And he's like.

717
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 4: Okay, And that's how we're introduced to him. Yeah, this

718
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 4: is like being bad kind of too, Like this is

719
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 4: like his fine. I think he feels like he's getting

720
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 4: one over on support.

721
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like how Yeah, And everyone who talks him

722
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, you could buy three thousand dollars worth

723
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: of pudding. We can't stop you.

724
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: This is also based on a story a guy named

725
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: David Phillips. He successfully accumulated over a million frequent flyer

726
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 2: miles after buying three thousand dollars worth of Healthy Choice,

727
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: and Paul Thomas Anderson went to David Phillips. He went

728
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: to Healthy Choice. He's like, can I use your story

729
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: slash your product in my movie? And they're like sure.

730
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: I love that. I do appreciate because like most people

731
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 3: wouldn't go to the guy who bought three thousand dollars

732
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 3: worth of putting to be like just checking in, Like

733
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: imagine if Law and Order did that, which they never do,

734
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: Like I appreciate that thoroughness from Paul Thomas Anderson.

735
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, so he's had this phone conversation with Georgia.

736
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: It ends off screen, and then the next morning, Georgia

737
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: calls him again asking if Barry can help out with rent.

738
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: She needs seven hundred and fifty dollars and he says, no,

739
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I can't afford that, and then she kind

740
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: of starts threatening.

741
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 4: Him, explicitly threatened him. Yeah, she goes in it pretty

742
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 4: quick for' actually for may that is.

743
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: True barry hangs. Up he goes to work reveal that

744
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: he has bought hundreds of. Puddings he's now kind of

745
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 2: panicking after this phone, call and so he cancels his credit.

746
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 2: Card then his Sister elizabeth shows up again with the

747
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: woman who had dropped off her car yesterday because she's

748
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: the woman Who elizabeth wanted to introduce wow To, barry

749
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: and her name Is. Lena and then as this scene goes,

750
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 2: on things get more and more. Chaotic but basically they

751
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: Invite barry to get breakfast with. Them they're interrupted When

752
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: georgia keeps calling and continues to be very aggressive and.

753
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: Threatening he keeps hanging up on. Her Then elizabeth is interrogating.

754
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: Him Then lena starts chatting with him and trying to like.

755
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 2: FLIRT a forklift, Crashes everyone's, like what's this? Pudding what's this?

756
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: Piano why are you wearing this blue? Suit? Again and

757
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 2: then Eventually lena And elizabeth go to, leave But lena

758
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 2: comes back and Asks barry out on a date the following,

759
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: night and he. Agrees we cut to. Provo, utah we

760
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: Meet georgia or the person who's like pretending to be

761
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: This georgia.

762
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: Person my head canon For georgia is that she is

763
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 3: a Like mormon dropout who's trying to get.

764
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: By, yeah she is collaborating with a guy Named, dean

765
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 2: That's Philip Seymour hoffman to go After.

766
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 4: BARRY i mean she's working with for. Him, yeah explicitly

767
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 4: she's working for.

768
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 2: Him, yeah Because dean owns a mattress, store.

769
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 4: Which is a front for his, gang basically his criminal.

770
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: Activities he's got his you, know he's got his hands

771
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: and a lot of. Businesses he's got a lot of

772
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: things going on out of.

773
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 4: This.

774
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: Yeah but, yeah she definitely works for him and seems

775
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: a little scared of, him because later, on when When

776
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 3: barry demands to speak to the manager of the phone sex,

777
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: hotline she does refer to Phil Seymour.

778
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 2: Hoffmann, Right but for, now they're sending a bunch of

779
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: minions To barry's house In la to intimidate. Him so

780
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 2: back In, La barry And lena go out to. Dinner

781
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: she reveals that she saw a picture of him with

782
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: his sisters and she wanted to meet, him and she

783
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: dropped her car off at that mechanic to try to meet.

784
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: HIM i think it's, see it's maybe a little stocker, vibes.

785
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: But it's it's a little, stockery but it's, not she

786
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: admits the worst type of. STOKING i don't think it's.

787
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 4: STOCKERY i think everybody gets one, play you, know like

788
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 4: to meet someone they want to, meet or like a romance.

789
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 4: Someone you get one play and if it doesn't, work you,

790
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 4: pack you're bagging you go.

791
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 3: HOME i think that's.

792
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 4: Fair but everybody gets one. Play obviously the play is

793
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 4: and showing up at someone's house that you don't, know

794
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 4: but like.

795
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: Context is very.

796
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 4: Important, yeah you, see, like, hey that cute person you know,

797
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 4: them and then like you're, like, HEY i got your,

798
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 4: number or like that's one. Thing you get one shot

799
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 4: and then the SHOT's. Done that's. It but you'll get one.

800
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 4: Shot and she took her shot.

801
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: Because it's Like i've done stuff like, that And i've

802
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: gone to comedy shows of Comedians i've had crushes, on

803
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: hoping to like talk to.

804
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: Them and ALSO i think the critical thing here Because

805
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: i've seen this criticizes stock you, behavior but like it

806
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 3: is like it Passes Grace freud's one shot, rule and

807
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 3: it's like it's not what she does is not like

808
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: leering or menacing or creepy at. All she just wants

809
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 3: to meet him and LIKE i don't.

810
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: Know their conversation is very. Brief, yeah she doesn't like

811
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: linger and be.

812
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 4: Weird and, importantly she isn't, like, HEY i saw you

813
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 4: in a. PICTURE i just had to meet. You i'm

814
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 4: like so into. You she once she senses that there

815
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 4: is some sort of mutual, attraction just like by the,

816
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 4: WAY i just want you to KNOW i orchestrated this

817
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 4: and she says it so she says THAT i think

818
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 4: at the perfect time to say, it, ye not when

819
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 4: it feels like pressure almost to then follow through the

820
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 4: day and not Like Almond vane or, whatever you, know.

821
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: Which she also addresses during that first. Date she's, LIKE

822
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 2: i want to like get this off my chest BECAUSE

823
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 2: i don't want to have any weird like me withholding

824
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: information from you for too. Long here it IS i

825
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 2: like her so, much and he is fine with. It

826
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 2: he doesn't give a single. Shit he's, like he's actually,

827
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: flattered it seems. Yeah and then he opens up and

828
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: tells her about something that he seems to be humiliated,

829
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: by but this whole pudding. Thing but Then lena brings

830
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: up the hammer story from his, childhood which prompts him

831
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: to go into the bathroom and completely trash, it and

832
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 2: he's kicked out of the. Restaurant but he And lena

833
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: leave together and they drive. Around they end up at her.

834
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: Place but then when he, leaves he's very awkward and

835
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 2: there's not a real kiss or anything like, that and

836
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: he says and bye.

837
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 4: Bye oh my, god this is bye bye bye bye and.

838
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 4: Bye but then he goes. Back he, like and this

839
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 4: is one of the most beautiful scenes on. Film he

840
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 4: leaves the building and as he's, leaving the front desk is,

841
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 4: like are you? Buried and this is like it's kind of,

842
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 4: scary right because.

843
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 3: Because he's afraid someone's hunting.

844
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 4: Him, yeah, yeah and he's like yeah and, Gradsend she's,

845
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 4: LIKE i wish that you'd kissed. Me and then he

846
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 4: like starts like rotting back to her. Apartment it seems

847
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 4: like he gets a lot to get. There, yes he

848
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 4: gets a. Lot he was going down this fall down

849
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 4: that all and bad and badit bam and the score

850
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 4: is getting bigger and bigger and. Bigger and then he

851
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 4: finally finds her in. Bam they kid said it's so.

852
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 4: Beautiful mm, hmmm mm.

853
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 2: Hmmm and then they agreed to see each other when

854
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: she gets back from a trip To hawaii that she had,

855
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 2: mentioned and he, said oh, maybe Y'all i'm going To hawaii,

856
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: too which is a.

857
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 3: Lie but that's also WHAT i really appreciated about their

858
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 3: date in a way that like clearly sets up this

859
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 3: is What barry needs to like overcome to be able

860
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: to have a relationship with, her is? RIGHT i think

861
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 3: it's right Before lena is, like, OKAY i have to come,

862
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 3: clean LIKE i had a crush on, you and that's

863
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 3: WHY i brought out my car off blah blah, blah

864
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 3: because she's very honest AND i think, grace like you

865
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 3: were saying, earlier like she knows. Herself and what precedes

866
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: that is very like telling this the series of white,

867
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: lies so That lena doesn't quote unquote think he's weird

868
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 3: where you, know and and then she's very, honest and

869
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 3: then and then he's able to like slowly start to open.

870
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: Up BUT i also could sort of connect to like

871
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 3: he tells weird lies sometimes, nervously which is especially WHEN

872
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 3: i was like younger.

873
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 2: And super super.

874
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 3: INSECURE i do that all the time just to feel

875
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 3: like you could engage with other people to just seem

876
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 3: like you get it or whatever as a defense. Mechanism

877
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 3: AND i don't, know there's there's some barrier in all of.

878
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: Us AND i love. That like when he it's just

879
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 3: like because he doesn't really feel safe to fully be

880
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: himself with. Anybody and also it's, like especially for someone

881
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: who doesn't feel safe being themselves with a lot of,

882
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 3: people what happens With georgia is his worst, nightmare where

883
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: it's like he's not even fully telling her the, truth

884
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 3: but he's trying to have an authentic conversation and then

885
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 3: it feels like he's punished.

886
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: For, it, which, yeah for, sure.

887
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 4: He does lie to. Her he, does, yeah having a, girlfriend,

888
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 4: yeah which IS i don't think wrong, necessarily you.

889
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 3: Know he's just, like there's like a mutual agreement of.

890
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 3: Fantasy it's a.

891
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 4: Fantasy it's a mutual. Fantasy, yeah but she tries to

892
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 4: use it Against he's, Like i'm gonna call your, girlfriend you, know,

893
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 4: yeah she'll pick up and he's, LIKE i had a

894
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 4: girlfriend a, wife and he's, LIKE i, don't, YEAH i, KNOW.

895
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: I have no love in.

896
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 3: Mind this is this is getting forward a little. Bit

897
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 3: but later when he's on the payphone and he's, like,

898
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 3: wait do you have a? Boyfriend have you been? Married

899
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 3: she's like, no when was the last time you had a?

900
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: Girlfriend he's, like so have you been?

901
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 2: Married like he just question and then she's like we

902
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: should meet up and talk about, this and he's, like

903
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: so where are you. From i'm still on the. Phone

904
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: he's just.

905
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 4: Excited like that's HOW i feel about stuff, too when

906
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 4: like WHEN i get open with somethe OR I i

907
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 4: feel like it's it's Very i'm not into it Or

908
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 4: i'm so into, it AND i want to know that

909
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 4: it'll be forever and, okay which is not, healthy but

910
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 4: is THAT i really.

911
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 3: It's human in this movie.

912
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: Anyway so they have this nice date and they finally

913
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: kiss and they part, ways and as he's returning, home

914
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: he is abducted by the guys Who georgia And dean

915
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: sent and they make him take five hundred dollars out

916
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: of AN. Atm one guy punches. Him he starts saying

917
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 2: ow aw aw before he's even. PUNCHED i love. That

918
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 2: great details that happened to my brother. Once, oh and

919
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: then he like sprints away and he's like running around

920
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 2: the neighborhood and perhaps to. Flee he decides to go To,

921
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: hawaii but he needs More Frequent flyer miles, first so

922
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 2: he And lance go to the grocery store and buy

923
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: a bunch more.

924
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 4: PUDDING i would like to say one thing really, quickly

925
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 4: would in that like a series of shots of him

926
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 4: running around The San Fernando valley after the. Abduction. Yeah

927
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 4: people ask me WHY i Love Los, angeles AND i,

928
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 4: say Because Los angeles is unique in any other big

929
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 4: City i've lived, in which is that it has a

930
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 4: real sense of. MYSTERY i don't feel Like New york has.

931
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 4: THAT i don't feel Like chicago has. It Los angeles

932
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 4: really feels like it's constantly changing and there's always places

933
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 4: That i've not uncovered and h and that aura of

934
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 4: MYSTERY i think is so on display on film in

935
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 4: this in this, movie both in the scene when the

936
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 4: harmonium is dropped off and making those warehouse districts look,

937
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 4: beautiful and then When barry's just driving around and running,

938
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 4: around it just is like Any it's SO i don't,

939
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 4: KNOW i THINK i think this this movie really shows

940
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 4: WHY i love la you, know because it captures that

941
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 4: vibe AND i.

942
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 3: Mean, like, yeah he's uniquely good at The king of

943
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 3: The valley. HIMSELF i really liked HOW i think we

944
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 3: talked about it early in the, episode but like how

945
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 3: carefully the like dreamlike quality of this movie because basically

946
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 3: everything that we're shown does, Happen but there are several

947
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: points in the movie where you're like that can't have,

948
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 3: happened but it always, oh it's, LIKE i, mean we'll

949
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 3: get there in a, second but at the moment with

950
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 3: the like the guy in the back of the car and,

951
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 3: all and you're, like that can't be. True and then

952
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 3: we cut to the hospital and you're, like, oh, no

953
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 3: that was.

954
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 4: True but and then something we haven't hit, on which

955
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 4: is present throughout this, film or the animated interstitials THAT

956
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 4: i think we're actually done at Cal, arts and these

957
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 4: animated interstitials that are you, know some could call them.

958
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 4: Simplistic it's like colors and lines and stuff that doesn't,

959
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 4: happen but it does in the same. Way it's, like

960
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 4: here's Something i'm seeing on, film what does that mean is?

961
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 4: Happening it is the same like it's like the bah da.

962
00:55:54,920 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 4: Da so it's LIKE i think those you, know stitials

963
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 4: help the dreamlike quality of all of. It, sure because it's,

964
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 4: like how can a color? Happen is a Color i'm

965
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 4: just seen on screen? Reel is this an? Event it's

966
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 4: being presented to me as this in the same way

967
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 4: as all this other. Stuff, yeah you, know like it's

968
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 4: a part of the same. Thread so, yeah a phantom.

969
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 4: Thread the phantom. Thread.

970
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: Wow, again the truck that just like tumbles down the

971
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 2: street toward the beginning of the, movie And i'm, like

972
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 2: that's gonna pay off in some way or we're gonna

973
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 2: learn something about.

974
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 3: It it's such a good tone setter, though just like

975
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 3: things are just gonna.

976
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: Happen yeah for. Sure.

977
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 4: Yeah.

978
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 2: Okay so he And lance have gone to the grocery

979
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 2: store to buy more, pudding But barry learns that the

980
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: miles he's accumulated can't be redeemed for six to eight,

981
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 2: weeks so he freaks out a little.

982
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 4: Bit he fully freaks, out this is this is his

983
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 4: fucking his, loss fucking, dombas fuck bullshit, screenwriting nothing. Matters

984
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 4: and again it's.

985
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 3: A great, like uh fuck you to how those moments

986
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 3: usually happen where it's it's, LIKE i feel like it

987
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 3: often is something really small that feels. Gigantic and then

988
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 3: he remembers he could just buy a you can just,

989
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 3: GOD i love.

990
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 2: Him, yeah so he decides to go a NOTE i

991
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: MADE i was, like he doesn't know which Island lena is,

992
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 2: on but he seems to pick the right island because

993
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: they meet up pretty. Easily but, anyway is that did

994
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 2: you think about? THAT i did think about. That, yeah

995
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 2: maybe that's just The bechdel cast lens or. Something but,

996
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: anyway so he. Go he arrives In, hawaii and he

997
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 2: gets the name Of lena's hotel from his Sister, elizabeth

998
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 2: in a phone call where he's having another, outburst but

999
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: he meets up With. Lena they have a romantic night

1000
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: together and it seems like they really really like each.

1001
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 2: Other Then barry calls the phone sex hotline and leaves

1002
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: a message telling them that he expects them to return his.

1003
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 3: Money, yes the confidence given By New love And fucking.

1004
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 4: Has, Yeah New love And Fucking baby it has.

1005
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 3: Cust him to possibly self sabotage yet.

1006
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: Again but now he's advocating for. Himself yes he, is

1007
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: he is in a way that he couldn't. Before but

1008
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: it's hard not to be scared for him in that.

1009
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 3: Moment you're like.

1010
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 4: True and when they're, fucking when they're in the, hotel

1011
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 4: he has this like quote THAT i want to say

1012
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 4: perfectly Because i'm not the kind of person that can

1013
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 4: remember this whole thing all at. Once but it's, like,

1014
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 4: uh like they've just fucked and, stuff and he's, like

1015
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 4: HiT's i can't say?

1016
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 5: It is?

1017
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 2: It when she says LIKE i want to chew on your,

1018
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: CHEEK i want.

1019
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 4: To eat him up with The he's, LIKE i want

1020
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 4: to punch you on the ball your fucking eyes. OUT

1021
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 4: i don't want to eat you fucking. UP i want to,

1022
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 4: like it's just like fucking.

1023
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 3: And they're like escalating. It, yeah they're.

1024
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 4: Escalating and It's AND i actually have unexclusive for The Vechdel,

1025
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 4: cast which is that my Friend Alex blum is doing

1026
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 4: this thing Called hotlines where she writes quotes from movies

1027
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 4: on hot. Dogs and she asked me for my favorit

1028
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 4: quote from a, movie AND i gave her this long

1029
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 4: one BECAUSE i thought it would be, funny and and

1030
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 4: so she POSTED i take a screenshot of. IT i

1031
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 4: posted on my. STORY i take. HER i was demonetized

1032
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 4: From instagram for two weeks because they said that that

1033
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 4: quote on a hot dog and mustard was inciting. Violence

1034
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 4: oh my. God AND i know no one like reported.

1035
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,479
Speaker 4: It it was not something like idiot trying to troll,

1036
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,439
Speaker 4: me because it was weeks later like they're like net

1037
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 4: or whatever just like picked it.

1038
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 3: Up, wow that could have really hurt. Someone that they

1039
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 3: really could have hurt. Someone, God, well thank you for

1040
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 3: the hot dog.

1041
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 4: Exclusive Hot Dog. Succy check Out Alex bloom On instagram

1042
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 4: for the Series. Hotlines that's.

1043
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 2: Awesome, YEAH i mean it. Is it's very like cutesy pillow,

1044
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 2: talk but it's also extremely.

1045
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 3: Violent they're, intense they're matching each other's.

1046
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 4: Freak it's them recognizing this thing in each, other this

1047
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 4: anger that maybe she's able to love because she has it,

1048
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 4: too and that there's speeds so tender to each other

1049
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 4: when they could rip each other.

1050
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 3: APART i think, THIS i GUESS i just, LIKE i

1051
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 3: don't feel LIKE i know enough about her to be

1052
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 3: sure of certain reactions on leaning this, PART.

1053
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 2: I tend to agree with. That, yeah that's kind of

1054
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 2: one of my big criticisms of the.

1055
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 4: Movie there is something, though that she says THAT i

1056
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 4: can't remember, verbatim but it's something, LIKE i swear she

1057
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 4: says something LIKE i saw, you AND i knew LIKE

1058
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 4: i KNEW i had to see you because and later she's,

1059
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 4: LIKE i just could tell that we had there's some

1060
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 4: sort of cod LIKE i see a similarity because of

1061
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 4: how she talks about that.

1062
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 3: She recognizes something in. HIM i think that that makes

1063
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:11,479
Speaker 3: a lot of. Sense.

1064
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1065
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 3: Yeah and also it's, like SO i feel like so

1066
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 3: much Of, lena you, know not to like Discredit Paul Thomas,

1067
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 3: anderty but so much of WHAT i feel like we

1068
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 3: know about her is In Emily watson's performance versus like

1069
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 3: what's really on the, page because she does like the

1070
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 3: way that she reacts To, BARRY i feel like tells

1071
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 3: us more about her than she says or we're.

1072
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: Told, Right, yeah in any, case they've had a, sexy

1073
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 2: nice time. Together and Then barry And lena head back

1074
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 2: to la together and when they're pulling into his, place

1075
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 2: a truck slims into his. Car it's the minions who

1076
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 2: are After, barry but he beats them and smashes the

1077
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 2: truck up a little, bit and then he Takes lena

1078
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: to a hospital to have her minor head injury.

1079
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 4: Treated it's a cool fight scene.

1080
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 3: Too, YEAH i was like.

1081
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 2: Pretty impressed With Adam sandler's.

1082
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 4: Choreography he grabs the this tire iron truck and just like,

1083
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 4: yeah like he doesn't kill, anyone, no, no.

1084
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 3: No and it's, LIKE, I i'm curious what you both

1085
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 3: think about. THIS i thought that that, was, like really

1086
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 3: when he does finally get to wail on a fucking

1087
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 3: evil guy or, whatever, LIKE i found it really really

1088
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 3: satisfying because it's the first time that we're able to

1089
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 3: see him direct this anchor at a worthy target and

1090
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 3: not just like a wall or or you, know like

1091
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 3: it and he doesn't need to hide. IT i know

1092
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 3: that it's not the. Like it doesn't you, know it's

1093
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 3: not the end game of. Anything but it was just

1094
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 3: nice to See barry get to just like tire iron

1095
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 3: someone in the face WHO i was, like you, know

1096
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 3: he's earned, that he's earned. That he keeps a lot. In,

1097
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 3: yes A, barry but.

1098
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 4: He's not secretly a serial killer or, something because he

1099
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 4: could have killed them all and he does.

1100
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, no it's not kill them, all of. Course.

1101
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 4: No have you guys read the like there's like a

1102
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 4: punch Shrunk superman theory That arry get Is. Superman i'm,

1103
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 4: Like i'm not, kiddy LIKE i disagree with, it AND

1104
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 4: i think IT'S i HONESTLY i SHOULD i honestly think

1105
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 4: that this theory is evidence of a deep rot and

1106
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 4: even PEOPLE i, Love but it's out.

1107
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 5: THERE i.

1108
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 3: Didn't i'm, like of, COURSE i feel like there was

1109
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 3: like a very specific moment in like the mid twenty

1110
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 3: tens where just theories like this ran, rampant and to what?

1111
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 3: End Let barry be a normal. Guy that's the that's

1112
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 3: the beauty of.

1113
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 2: Him, Yes, Okay so while she's in the, Hospital barry

1114
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: calls the phone sex hotline again and he's. Irate he's

1115
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 2: screaming At. Georgia then he gets connected To dean and

1116
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 2: he's screaming at him and they're threatening each. Other and

1117
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 2: Then barry figures out Where dean And georgia, are so

1118
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 2: he like drops everything and just goes straight To utah

1119
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: to confront. Them barry And dean get in each other's

1120
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 2: faces And barry, SAYS i have love in my life,

1121
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 2: now and it makes me stronger than you can, Imagine

1122
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 2: so put an end to this, now Or i'll beat

1123
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 2: the hell out of. You And dean is, like all,

1124
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 2: right it's. Over So barry goes back To La he

1125
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 2: grabs his little. Piano he takes it To lena's, apartment

1126
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: not sure, why but he apologizes to her for leaving

1127
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 2: her at the, hospital and he tells the whole story

1128
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 2: of how he called a phone sex line and those

1129
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 2: people started harassing. Him but he's taking care of, it

1130
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 2: and if she gives him six to eight weeks to

1131
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 2: prove that he's an okay, guy then he can redeem

1132
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 2: the airline miles from the pudding and go with her

1133
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 2: wherever she needs to. Go and she does, say, like

1134
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 2: you left me at the hospital and that wasn't, cool

1135
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 2: and he's, LIKE i, KNOW i won't do it, again

1136
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 2: and then they kiss and make up the. End, Yay

1137
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 2: so let's take another quick break and we'll come back

1138
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 2: to further discuss.

1139
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 5: And we're.

1140
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 3: Back where do we want to? START i. DON'T i

1141
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 3: mean we've covered a.

1142
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 2: LOT i talked about a.

1143
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:47,479
Speaker 3: Lot i've covered quite a. Lot but, YEAH i guess one,

1144
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 3: thing let's talk about Uh lena a little bit more

1145
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 3: because we've talked a lot About. Barry there's still more

1146
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 3: to be said About. Barry but, sure, YEAH i really like.

1147
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 3: HER i think THAT i wish that we do a

1148
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 3: little bit more more about. Her but it's tricky because

1149
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 3: this story is so firmly centered On barry versus the.

1150
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 3: Couple LIKE i don't, know it's a story Where barry

1151
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 3: falls in, love BUT i don't think it's necessarily like

1152
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 3: a story about that because all of that sort of.

1153
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 3: Happens that's not the exact.

1154
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 4: Half, yeah it's about him doing the work mama's.

1155
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah like getting to a place where he can

1156
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 3: BE i really like my my like dorky head cannon

1157
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 3: for the, end of this movie is now that he

1158
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 3: is like comfortable enough and can truly be himself with

1159
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 3: someone unlike his like dufust brother in. Law lena's the

1160
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 3: kind of person who could help him find a, therapist

1161
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 3: who could help him do all of these, things and

1162
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 3: he would be comfortable enough to like actually ask for

1163
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 3: that With and it just seems like one of those

1164
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 3: rare relationships that puts you on a path, towards like

1165
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 3: closer to who you want to. Be AND i love

1166
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 3: that for, Them BUT i guess what is a little

1167
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 3: more elusive to me IS I With, lena we learn

1168
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff about her close to the end

1169
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 3: of the movie is that she's been divorced, Before she's,

1170
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 3: had you, know a number of, relationships WHICH i think

1171
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 3: you can feel in her character based on like she's,

1172
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 3: pretty like she's she's adorable on the dates and she

1173
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,439
Speaker 3: but you can tell like she knows what she's, doing

1174
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 3: she has more, experience, yeah and like she knows what

1175
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 3: she's looking for and she's pretty frank about. That AND

1176
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 3: i Think barry kind of needs.

1177
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 4: THAT i don't.

1178
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 2: KNOW i JUST i feel like we learn a few

1179
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 2: facts about, her BUT i don't know because we never

1180
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 2: like have moments with just. Her it's always her in

1181
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 2: the context of her being With. Barry AND i know

1182
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 2: that's how, like that's a lot of stories work as

1183
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 2: far as like whose perspective is this story told? From

1184
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 2: but it kind of happens at the expense of we

1185
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 2: don't get to know her nearly as.

1186
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 4: Well so AND i don't give a Sh.

1187
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 3: And that's why you're here.

1188
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 2: Today he's just fucking, like what's to.

1189
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 4: DO i think it's a good, movie AND i THINK i,

1190
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 4: Mean i'm not saying it's.

1191
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 3: Not we're not saying it's a bad. Movie we're just

1192
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 3: saying we don't know very much about.

1193
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 2: It we're just doing our. Podcast.

1194
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 4: Grace, yeah that's. True that's. True, See i'd like to

1195
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 4: SAY i have a message for other upcoming guests Of

1196
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 4: The Bechdel, cast which IS i just want to remind

1197
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 4: you guys that you don't have to let the synopsis

1198
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 4: get out. Quick you have to like wait to, say

1199
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 4: have the pass The Bechdel test or. Anything you, know

1200
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 4: you are playing a, Game.

1201
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 2: Jigsaw, Vibes let's play a.

1202
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 4: Game every episode Of The Bechdel cast is a game

1203
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 4: that can be, won and it's you Versus jamie And,

1204
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 4: caatelet or or if you're, smart you'll silo one of

1205
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 4: them off and. Attack BUT i just if any possible

1206
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 4: Upcoming Bechdel cast members are returning guests or, whatever you can.

1207
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 4: Win you just have to put in the.

1208
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 3: Work it's, true, Okay and it took years for you

1209
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 3: to get to this place where you can really demolish

1210
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 3: us in this.

1211
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 2: Way it took Four Santa claus.

1212
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 4: EPISODES i, MEAN I i JUST i know all your

1213
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 4: moves And i'm. Ready i'm ready for our own.

1214
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 2: Game it's.

1215
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 3: True it's.

1216
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 4: True, well this is the final episode of The Bechdel. Cast, Everybody.

1217
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 3: Grace was the final boss the whole, time AND i

1218
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:49,560
Speaker 3: what so?

1219
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 4: Game oh my.

1220
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 2: Gosh well let me let's talk about things that we

1221
01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 2: did like, then shall. WE i, MEAN i think this

1222
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,719
Speaker 2: movie does a really good job of showing a character

1223
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:09,799
Speaker 2: with certainly, anxiety possibly also. Depression nothing's ever explicitly, stated

1224
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 2: but we can glean from his behavior and what he

1225
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 2: says about how he feels his, loneliness AND i think

1226
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 2: that's presented with an authenticity that we don't often see

1227
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,560
Speaker 2: in regards to the portrayal of mental. Illness and anxiety

1228
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 2: and things in. Cinema SO i liked how that was.

1229
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 2: HANDLED i was ready to come down harder On barry

1230
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: Pre grace your history with the, movie BECAUSE i was

1231
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 2: gonna say something, LIKE i think it's, LIKE i appreciate

1232
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 2: the portrayal of mental illness in his, character but he

1233
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 2: also has a really difficult time regulating his, emotions and

1234
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 2: that often manifests in these violent outbursts where he's trashing

1235
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,560
Speaker 2: a room or breaking glass or punching a wall or,

1236
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 2: whatever or screaming at his sister and threat to kill,

1237
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:05,719
Speaker 2: her for, Example and his mental illness doesn't obviously doesn't

1238
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,759
Speaker 2: excuse those. Things AND i was gonna be, Like, okay,

1239
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 2: well this guy needs to learn to regulate his emotions

1240
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,560
Speaker 2: a little bit, better the way that many men and

1241
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 2: people of all genders could stand to learn to regulate their.

1242
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 2: Emotions but you, know AND i DON'T i still feel

1243
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 2: that about his. Character but then you also have to

1244
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 2: consider that he was like pretty relentlessly bullied by his

1245
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 2: sisters his entire. Childhood we can, presume.

1246
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 3: Right that's the only, like the only thing we really

1247
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 3: see even with like the one, sister we do get

1248
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 3: to know WHO i think is fascinating in her own,

1249
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 3: right although we don't know much about, her it's mostly

1250
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 3: in the, performance but that, like even when she's trying

1251
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 3: to do something quote unquote nice for him by introducing, him, yeah.

1252
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 2: Setting him up with, someone.

1253
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 3: But even in those, interactions she can't help but bully.

1254
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 3: Him WHERE i think it was like when she's introducing

1255
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 3: him To lena again and she's, like, so are you

1256
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 3: coming with us or? Not are you coming with us or?

1257
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 3: Not what the fuck is? That why are you put?

1258
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 4: It?

1259
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 3: Right like where she's still like it just seems like

1260
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 3: it's so baked into their family dynamic to pile On

1261
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 3: barry and under any and all, circumstances and it doesn't,

1262
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 3: right it doesn't excuse his. Behavior but it's LIKE i

1263
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 3: do feel like it at very least we are given

1264
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 3: the context for like this isn't just like AN Snl

1265
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 3: Adam sandler character of like this is what he. Does

1266
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,719
Speaker 3: he's the angry, Guy like we're given context for that. Anger.

1267
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 3: Right but, yeah but but BUT i see what you're

1268
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 3: saying too.

1269
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 4: WELL i think it's interesting you both use the term,

1270
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 4: Excuse like does it excuse there's mental? Illness excuse his.

1271
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 4: Behavior and the OLDER i get and the MORE i

1272
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 4: deal with my own mental, health the mental serious mental

1273
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 4: illness of family, members seeing the mental health issues of

1274
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:12,759
Speaker 4: like unhoused PEOPLE i know and in recovering and. STUFF

1275
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 4: i wonder if this film could be a moment of

1276
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 4: like learning, that like it might not be useful to

1277
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 4: ask like is this? Behave is there an excuse for this?

1278
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 4: Behavior or like looking at something through the realm of

1279
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 4: excuse or non. Excuse it's, like what does attaching a

1280
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:39,839
Speaker 4: moral worth to an action and then weighing it against

1281
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 4: someone's privilege and versus their mental health issues and stuff like?

1282
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 4: That what does that? Do as much as is that

1283
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 4: like necessarily a productive way to look at mental? Illness

1284
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 4: AND i would suggest that that may maybe it's. Not

1285
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 4: you know, what we can look at that when we See,

1286
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 4: barry we can see that he is a person that

1287
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 4: has the capacity to deal with these emotions in different,

1288
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 4: ways you, Know but how he has dealt with them

1289
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 4: in certain moments is by acting out these, tantrums this.

1290
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 4: Destruction and so what can people who care about him,

1291
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 4: Do Like i'm talking about him like he's a, Person

1292
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 4: BUT i, guess like just mental health in, General, LIKE

1293
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 4: i think the choices when dealing in life with someone

1294
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 4: who has a serious mental health problem are trying to

1295
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 4: engage with them to get better or letting go of

1296
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 4: that as something you haven't want to have anything to

1297
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 4: do with their control, over you. Know, Yeah AND i think,

1298
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 4: That LIKE i think the, FACT i, guess like What

1299
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 4: i'm saying is the fact that we can understand this

1300
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 4: poor behavior through the lens of his mental illness maybe

1301
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 4: shows that there's folly in questioning whether or not there

1302
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 4: is an, excuse like saying if it is morally good or,

1303
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 4: Bad like just the fact that you can look at

1304
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 4: through that, lens.

1305
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 3: You, KNOW i, AGREE i, MEAN i guess to, CLARIFY i,

1306
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 3: mean at least WHEN i, say like what excuses the,

1307
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 3: Behavior i'm trying to see it from the perspective of

1308
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 3: who it's happening, to not who's perpetrating. It and so With,

1309
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 3: BARRY i, MEAN i part of WHAT i like about

1310
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 3: this movie is that you see someone who is struggling

1311
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 3: with mental health right in an in between. Point we

1312
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 3: don't you, know he doesn't arrive quote unquote at mental

1313
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 3: health at the end of the, movie because that's not

1314
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 3: a thing that. Happens we see a like phase of.

1315
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 3: THIS i, guess, like, Yeah i'm thinking more of like

1316
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 3: if you're in the shoes Of elizabeth and this is

1317
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 3: your your brother lashing out at, you and you have

1318
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 3: done something there has been, sustained like she's treated him

1319
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 3: like shit for a long. Time but how do, you

1320
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 3: as like two, people reach a place of peace in that?

1321
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,560
Speaker 3: Way AND i don't. KNOW i, mean and this is

1322
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 3: again it's like one movie can't do all of. THIS

1323
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,560
Speaker 3: i guess. WHAT i JUST i wish that, WELL i

1324
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 3: don't even. Know this isn't even a criticism of the.

1325
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 3: MOVIE i GUESS i just we see a lot of

1326
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 3: cause and effect in the way that he is the

1327
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 3: recipient of all of, this this emotional abuse from his.

1328
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 3: Family they are unable TO i you, know if we're

1329
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 3: showing them, grace they are completely unable to help, him

1330
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 3: even when he's, asking, well.

1331
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 4: They do not treat him like he's mentally or have

1332
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 4: any recon like that's an important distinct. Ship they just.

1333
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 3: Say That's, berry which is a very family.

1334
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 5: Thing.

1335
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 4: Yeah and if he if he did not deal with

1336
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 4: this mental illness and they were calling him gay and

1337
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 4: a homo and, stuff he might just have, laughed, right you,

1338
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 4: know maybe he might not, have but like the way

1339
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 4: that they're saying, it if the soundtrack was at that,

1340
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 4: moment you might not key into it as this like

1341
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 4: stressful evil thing because they're, LIKE i, mean it's not

1342
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 4: cool to like call your brother a homo as a derogatory.

1343
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 4: Thing BUT i could certainly see a, family especially in

1344
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 4: the early two, thousands you fucking homo and everyone you, know, like,

1345
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 4: well it's like.

1346
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 3: Even just like WITH i don't, know LIKE i saw

1347
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 3: my family recently and they they've like said the same

1348
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 3: thing about me that is hurtful for my whole, life

1349
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 3: but it is just an element of the family and

1350
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 3: and the same goes for other family members in other,

1351
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 3: directions where it's like that's like the part of the

1352
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 3: fucked up part of being with a, family where it's

1353
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 3: just you can normalize it in a family dynamic that

1354
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 3: feels so impossible to replicate in other places where it's

1355
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 3: just they they're not even thinking about like it's like

1356
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 3: they've been doing this for so, long they're not even

1357
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 3: thinking about why their brother acts the way he, does, like, which, yeah,

1358
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 3: WELL i.

1359
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 2: Think the scene Where barry pulls aside his brother in

1360
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 2: law and Has that conversation is really interesting because it

1361
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 2: shows That barry knows something is amiss with his mental,

1362
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 2: health he doesn't really quite have the.

1363
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 3: Words for, it and he also just doesn't like how he.

1364
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 2: Feels he doesn't like how he, feels and he is

1365
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 2: actively seeking help in a way that he clearly feels uncomfortable.

1366
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 2: Doing but he realizes like things have maybe hit critical.

1367
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 2: Mass he just smashed a bunch of windows and then

1368
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 2: was berated for, it so he's just, like something needs to.

1369
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 2: CHANGE i clearly need. HELP i was amused by the

1370
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 2: line where the brother in law, says, like what's what's the,

1371
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 2: matter what's? Wrong And barry, SAYS i don't know if

1372
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 2: anything is wrong BECAUSE i don't know how other people.

1373
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 4: Are that's such a perfect lie and it kind.

1374
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 2: Of breaks your heart because he clearly has so hard

1375
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 2: of a time connecting with other people and really getting

1376
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 2: to know who other people are and how they. Are but,

1377
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 2: anyway he's trying to seek help and he knows the

1378
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 2: type of help he, needs and his brother in law

1379
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 2: is not dismissing, him but he also Betrays berry's, trust

1380
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 2: And barry says like don't tell my. SISTERS i don't

1381
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 2: want them to. Know i'm embarrassed about, This LIKE i

1382
01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 2: feel LIKE i don't have ANYONE i can talk to about.

1383
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 2: This and a few scenes, Later, elizabeth WHO i guess

1384
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 2: is this brother in, law is like they're, partnered and she's,

1385
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 2: like what was this that you were Telling walter or

1386
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 2: whatever to get you a? Shrink and what's this crying

1387
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 2: problem that you? Have and she's sneering and like being

1388
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 2: very judgy about. It and so he's trying to seek,

1389
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 2: help and it's like a just the stigma of mental,

1390
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 2: health especially at this time in two thousand and two

1391
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 2: when this movie comes, Out like he's willing to seek, help,

1392
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:34,560
Speaker 2: yeah and the society around him is not being receptive to.

1393
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 3: It SO i think it's interesting too that like he

1394
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 3: never goes to his sisters because he knows it's a

1395
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 3: worthless thing to, Do, like you, know he says he's

1396
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:45,600
Speaker 3: got AND i think there is some truth that he

1397
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 3: says he's going to his brother in law so he

1398
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 3: can get that great dentist. Joke AND i celebrate, that

1399
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 3: but it's also like so telling that he has seven

1400
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 3: siblings and he is comfortable going to zero of, them

1401
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 3: and in fact is constantly asking that people don't tell

1402
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 3: them what he's doing because he clearly like lives in

1403
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 3: this state of anxiety that he's going to be mocked for,

1404
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 3: whatever because that's what their dynamic. Is we don't really

1405
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 3: know why that, is but like we don't really have to.

1406
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 3: Either it is what it. IS i do, THINK i,

1407
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 3: mean it would be impossible to get to know all

1408
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 3: these all seven of these. SISTERS i don't. Know, again

1409
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 3: it's like not a, criticism it's WHERE i think that

1410
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 3: Mariy Lynn riska's, character like Her, elizabeth comes across so

1411
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 3: much in her reactions versus what she actually says and,

1412
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 3: does BECAUSE i feel like she's played as someone who

1413
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 3: is also lonely, herself because you, know if you were doing,

1414
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 3: great you wouldn't be bullying your brother while introducing him to.

1415
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 3: Someone and there's that great moment towards the, END i,

1416
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 3: mean it's great for all three of, them where after you,

1417
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 3: Know barry's In hawaii and And lena is the first

1418
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 3: person to ever actually respect his request to not tell his,

1419
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 3: sisters which is another like she sees, him she gets,

1420
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 3: him and she kind of pokes fun At barry as

1421
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 3: a joke between the two of, them and Then elizabeth is, like,

1422
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 3: well you can't say my brother is. WEIRD i can,

1423
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:22,919
Speaker 3: see which is the most sibling thing you could possibly.

1424
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 3: Say and, again it just like gives us a little

1425
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 3: bit of insight into what this family is. Like but

1426
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 3: outside of, THAT i, mean we mostly, know you, know

1427
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 3: because this story is the story of this chunk of

1428
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 3: time In barry's, life we really only know whose sisters

1429
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 3: are in relation to, him AND i think that's just

1430
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 3: because of how the story is. Written BUT i do

1431
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 3: still wish. THAT i do think that there was like

1432
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 3: a little more room to know a little more About

1433
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 3: lena in the scope of this. Story but, yeah, yeah But.

1434
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 2: Paul Thomas anderson didn't want this movie to be longer

1435
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 2: than ninety, minutes, right AND i celebrate, that you, Know,

1436
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 2: Yeah and that's.

1437
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 4: Beautiful is this this.

1438
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 3: Has to be his shortest, movie, right because how long Was.

1439
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 3: MAGNOLIA i do think it's funny that three hours and eight. Minutes,

1440
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 3: Yeah so he was, Like, okay, OKAY i get, IT

1441
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 3: i need to.

1442
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 2: Calm, Down let's do a little.

1443
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 4: One.

1444
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 2: Yeah it happens kind of at the expense of, us

1445
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 2: not knowing more About, Lena BUT i don't hate their

1446
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:29,839
Speaker 2: relationship the WAY i usually hate relationships like hetero romantic

1447
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 2: relationships in movies where grace to your point of like

1448
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:38,600
Speaker 2: she took her, shot it worked. OUT i also like

1449
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,560
Speaker 2: that you see a woman asking a man for a

1450
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:45,919
Speaker 2: first date Because elizabeth brought her to his Like plunger

1451
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 2: warehouse to be, like come to breakfast with, us and

1452
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 2: that doesn't pan, out and so she's, like you know,

1453
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 2: What i'm just gonna, Ask LIKE i already know him

1454
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 2: a little, bit now we're, acquainted let, me you, know

1455
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 2: shoot this. Shot and she's, Like i'm going to go

1456
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 2: out for some food, tomorrow do you want to?

1457
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:06,600
Speaker 3: COME i mean she she kind of nudges this relationship

1458
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 3: forward in a way that again like it seems Like

1459
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 3: barry kind of needs with where he's, at but it's never.

1460
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 3: Aggressive and also the fact that, like, yeah there's a,

1461
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 3: phrase she drops the hint, repeatedly like even though it's

1462
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 3: based off of like a Random Barry white lie of, like,

1463
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 3: Oh i'm going To hawaii For plunger. Work you're like,

1464
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 3: sure WHICH i think she kind of is, like oh,

1465
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:35,560
Speaker 3: well BUT i like that, again like the invitation To

1466
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 3: hawaii is. Explicit she's, like, well if you're there and

1467
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 3: you want to hang, OUT i would love to see.

1468
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 3: You and she says that more than once and, like,

1469
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:45,600
Speaker 3: YEAH i don't. Know even though it's like awkward and

1470
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 3: they're both very work to, progress there are adults about,

1471
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,520
Speaker 3: it and she says.

1472
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 4: Very importantly after they fucking shit on the bed in that,

1473
01:24:56,160 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 4: order she's, like you've got me out of my. Room

1474
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 4: you came and you got me out of my. Room

1475
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 4: would just like to me like also kind of a

1476
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 4: sign that they're of the same, feather you, know like, Introverted,

1477
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 4: yeah a, feather you, know like it's. Beautiful it, is

1478
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 4: it is.

1479
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 2: Nice and, again and we already touched on this, too

1480
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 2: but after he literally abandons her at the hospital after

1481
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 2: this car, accident.

1482
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 3: Which isn't, great but ALSO i feel, like because we're

1483
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 3: so in his head at that, point it honestly didn't

1484
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 3: even register with me at. FIRST i was, like, yeah

1485
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 3: he's got he's got unfinished, business he's got to finish.

1486
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 3: This it did register with me WHERE i was, like, wait,

1487
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 3: yeah did he just leave her? There and then she,

1488
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 3: Asks she's, like where's?

1489
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 2: That where's the?

1490
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 3: Guy came, with and the nurses, like.

1491
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:47,680
Speaker 2: HMMM i don't, KNOW i, okay, yeah and she establishes

1492
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 2: a boundary and she, says you can't do things like

1493
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 2: that if we're gonna be together or see each. Other

1494
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 2: and he seems to recognize, that and he seems determined

1495
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 2: not only to redeemed the airline miles from the, pudding

1496
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 2: but to redeem.

1497
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 3: Himself and it just feels very clear that he will

1498
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 3: BECAUSE i, mean it's also like there's of all of

1499
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 3: the different complicated aspects Of barry's. CHARACTER i feel like

1500
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 3: he's he's also just like looking to be respected by,

1501
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 3: someone where he's like so many people in his. LIFE i,

1502
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 3: mean he sort of has a friend In, lance but

1503
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 3: that is a very LIKE i, Mean Louis gospond's, amazing

1504
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 3: And Louis gusbond is very concerned about. Him he's, like

1505
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 3: please go on a, vacation WHICH i thought was very,

1506
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 3: funny but that, like, yeah this is like a relationship

1507
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 3: where he could feel respected, too where it's like it's

1508
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 3: just clear that he doesn't have that in other areas

1509
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 3: of his, life does. ANYONE i don't really have anything

1510
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 3: to say About Dean. Trumbull he shows up late in the.

1511
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 3: Movie he's there and you're, like and that Was Dean.

1512
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 2: Trumbull just That Philip Seymour hoffman can be in a

1513
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 2: movie for five minutes or less and still just take it.

1514
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 4: Crushing he is okay the Most so like the thing

1515
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 4: About Dean troumble the Mattress, man first of, all very

1516
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 4: important to. Know they made like sketches for this movie,

1517
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 4: too With Philip seymour often that you can find.

1518
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 3: Online, really that's so. Fun that makes.

1519
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 4: Sense, yeah there's like two three of, them and they're

1520
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,679
Speaker 4: like little like, ads and one of them he falls

1521
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 4: like fifty feet onto a mattress IF i remember. Correct

1522
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 4: AND i do think like he is kind of similar

1523
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 4: To he's like similar and opposite To. Berry you, know

1524
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:48,440
Speaker 4: this is. Supermanny he is kind of like Like Barry's

1525
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 4: lexolutor and that he's Like barry has this like fated

1526
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 4: love and romance in his life and that is like

1527
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 4: almost supernaturally fairy tale like and And Dean trumbll so.

1528
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 4: Opposite like he he's paid women to be around, him you,

1529
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,560
Speaker 4: know and he's paying men to like do stuff for

1530
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 4: him that a friend MIGHT i, mean not that a

1531
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 4: friend would go beat. It, well but you, know he

1532
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 4: seems very. Lonely he has his own. Warehouse they both

1533
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 4: have a. Warehouse they both have these, businesses but they're

1534
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 4: like it's like a very different way That barry could

1535
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 4: have popped up turned.

1536
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 3: Out it's a different way To, yeah it's like a

1537
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 3: it's a more assertive person's version of keeping control in

1538
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 3: like this state of loneliness that he's. IN i didn't

1539
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 3: know about the. Sketches it's so. Funny, well it.

1540
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 2: Took me forever to realize That barry is the owner

1541
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 2: of this plunger, business that he's not an, employee that

1542
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 2: this is his. Business, yeah he owns.

1543
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 4: It it's his, business and he's proud of.

1544
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 2: It because he doesn't operate it in such a way

1545
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 2: where he's the boss. Man and in, fact when the

1546
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 2: forklift is, crashing like all the products are spilling and

1547
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 2: breaking stuff like, that he's just, like, hi you, Guys,

1548
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 2: okay anyway back to the WOMAN i have a crush, on.

1549
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 3: Which is really what most bosses, do even good Bosses i've,

1550
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 3: had just are, like, hey you good in. HERE i

1551
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 3: gotta go, bye like, cool just make sure the check's

1552
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 3: clear and leave me. Alone that's the ideal. Boss.

1553
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 2: Right one of the THINGS i found fascinating About dean

1554
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 2: and his minions is that they keep Shaming barry for

1555
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:42,719
Speaker 2: quote unquote being a pervert and acting like he deserves

1556
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 2: to be blackmailed and threatened and beaten up because he

1557
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 2: had the audacity to call a phone sex. Hotline and it's,

1558
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 2: like you're the one running the phone sex hot, line

1559
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,839
Speaker 2: so why are you shaming your own clientele for engaging

1560
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 2: with sex? Workers which feels bizarre, now but it was

1561
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 2: two thousand and, two so.

1562
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 3: WELL i also wrote down BECAUSE i had the same

1563
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 3: THOUGHT i wrote, Down is this a utah?

1564
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 2: THING i don't.

1565
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 4: KNOW i don't. KNOW i think it was simply a

1566
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,639
Speaker 4: way for them to get money.

1567
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,720
Speaker 3: Out of, Him, right you should shame him.

1568
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:19,640
Speaker 4: More and also the perversion is that he's ashamed of

1569
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 4: wanting to fuck a lady almost like these are guys

1570
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 4: that seemingly fuck like and openly are misogynistic and, Stuff

1571
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 4: AND i think what they if there's any real anger

1572
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 4: there is that they think he thinks he's better than,

1573
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 4: them right or, something you. Know, yeah it's like they're,

1574
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 4: like we're all getting. Gash why are you try to

1575
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:47,200
Speaker 4: act what you don't want. Gash that's WHAT i want to.

1576
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 4: Say was a line that was cut out of the.

1577
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 4: Script that is WHY i put money on. It PAUL

1578
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 4: i bettied twenty dollars that that was in the. Script and,

1579
01:30:58,080 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 4: please he's a.

1580
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 3: Page members so he'll.

1581
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 2: Hear and this isn't even A patreon.

1582
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:07,600
Speaker 4: EPISODE I i almost got to Meet Paul Thomas anderson,

1583
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 4: recently kind Of oh, wow because a friend of mine

1584
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 4: was briefly dating a friend of his but then she

1585
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 4: stopped dating.

1586
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 2: Him oh, Wow so WHAT i?

1587
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 4: SAY i almost got to do. THAT i, mean if

1588
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 4: my head it was gonna happen for a.

1589
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 2: Second but, well just to take a little signed bar he,

1590
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 2: again he was, like, Wow magnolia was so. Long MAYBE

1591
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 2: i shouldn't do that again for my next. Movie so

1592
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 2: he was determined to make it around ninety, minutes not

1593
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 2: to really exceed. That he also specifically wrote The barry

1594
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 2: character With Adam sandler in, mind Because Paul Thomas anderson

1595
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 2: Loved Adam sandler and his, movies Particularly Big, daddy and

1596
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 2: then he had seen different performances of his in various sketch,

1597
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 2: shows and he's, like he has to be In punch Drunk.

1598
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 2: Love Joanne seller was quote unquote be fuddled That Paul

1599
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 2: Thomas anderson wanted to Cast Adam sandler and he had

1600
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 2: to convince her That sandler was the right person for the.

1601
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 2: Job and then WHILE pta was Filming, magnolia he Calls

1602
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 2: Adam sandler and he's, Like i'm writing this movie for.

1603
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 2: You And Adam sandler was, like that's. NICE i don't

1604
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 2: really know who you, are but. God and Then Adam

1605
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 2: sandler Watched magnolia after it came, out and then he

1606
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 2: felt quote unquote fucking terrified and was very intimidated By

1607
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 2: PTA's like directorial. Prowess And Adam sandler was, LIKE i

1608
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 2: don't know IF i can do.

1609
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 3: This it's like you can do, it kinga so and he,

1610
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 3: can and he CAN i do kind of like BECAUSE

1611
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:54,560
Speaker 3: i wasn't An Adam sandler kid growing, UP i was

1612
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 3: kept From Adam sandler outside Of Big daddy for some.

1613
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:03,720
Speaker 4: Reason but samil introduction To Adam Sandler Big daddy was

1614
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 4: the first ONE i was able to. Watch BUT i

1615
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 4: got to Watch Adam sandler still kind of, young but

1616
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 4: it felt like it had been a million. Years, Yeah

1617
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 4: LIKE i got to watch my First Adam sandler movie

1618
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 4: besides part Of Big daddy On Comedy central Was Billy

1619
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 4: madison AND i got to watch that WHEN i was

1620
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:24,600
Speaker 4: like ten or, eleven but it felt like all my

1621
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,679
Speaker 4: friends had gotten to see all of. Them so even

1622
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 4: THOUGH i GUESS i was still young at the, TIME

1623
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 4: i was Like jesus finally spent billion.

1624
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:38,639
Speaker 3: Years and for more On Adam sandler as a comedic

1625
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 3: persona versus this particular, movie you can go. To we

1626
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 3: recently Covered Eight Crazy, nights where we started talking about

1627
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 3: his career more.

1628
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 2: Busy well that's just not.

1629
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 3: True well that's just not. True let's be, serious.

1630
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:55,559
Speaker 2: Pedally.

1631
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 4: False the other thing About Crazy, nights AND i think

1632
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 4: this is very, important the Little man gets frozen at

1633
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:03,560
Speaker 4: a big block of.

1634
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 2: Pool, yes.

1635
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 5: We, do we do.

1636
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 3: Good we do talk about that in.

1637
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:14,480
Speaker 2: Depth we also talk ABOUT i think worth Mentioning Adam Sandler's,

1638
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 2: zionism and they go into depth on The Eight Crazy nights.

1639
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 2: Episode so if you want to hear, more refer back

1640
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 2: to that.

1641
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 3: Episode, yeah that's What that's WHAT i was getting at

1642
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 3: is we have A fullir.

1643
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 2: Discussion in any, case any other thoughts On Punch Drunk.

1644
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 4: LOVE i Have there's one thing that we didn't touch,

1645
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 4: on which is the moment of confrontation when he rips

1646
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 4: the phone headset off and he's got the phone the

1647
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 4: telephone like handset or whatever with him when he gets

1648
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 4: To utah and he's, Like i've got a love in

1649
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 4: my life and that makes me strong and, say that's,

1650
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 4: that you, Know AND i, think then that is really

1651
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 4: living up the desire that a part of your life

1652
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 4: can be. Over THAT i think is such a desire

1653
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 4: of someone dealing with mental illness that the period of

1654
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:16,600
Speaker 4: my life in WHICH i am bipolar can be, done you.

1655
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 4: Know SO i think it's. Interesting the wish fulfillment, THERE

1656
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:25,439
Speaker 4: i think is is something that also really got, me

1657
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 4: you know because when we're talking about like like like like,

1658
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 4: well if their lives were to continue on after this, film,

1659
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 4: YES i do think That lena could help him get

1660
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 4: into therapy Actually audiadia out of it for the purpose

1661
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 4: of this. Film in that moment he defeats it and

1662
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 4: that's you, know that's all we, see you, Know AND

1663
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:49,760
Speaker 4: i think that's that offers like something like beautiful THAT

1664
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 4: i haven't really seen in other movies, too like just

1665
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 4: being done with.

1666
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 2: It hell, yeah AND i MEAN i was expecting more

1667
01:35:56,479 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 2: of a violent confrontation in that scene in Between barry

1668
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:06,759
Speaker 2: and The Philip Seymour hoffman. Character but you can sense

1669
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 2: That dean probably couldn't hold his own in a, fight

1670
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 2: and that's why he sends his minions and he doesn't

1671
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 2: actually want to fight him and engage in. Violence and

1672
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 2: then he's just, Like, okay that's. That and then As

1673
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 2: barry's walking, away he's, like, yeah you better, go you fucking.

1674
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:29,600
Speaker 2: Pervert and Then barry turns back around he's, LIKE i

1675
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 2: fucking warned. You and then and Then dean goes that that's,

1676
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 2: that and then he runs. Away so it's just like this,

1677
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 2: guy he's a. COWARD i don't know what my point is,

1678
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 2: exactly but so.

1679
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 4: It does pass The bechdel test so.

1680
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 3: WELL i think that there is, like genuinely this is

1681
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 3: So barry's story that, like, SPIRITUALLY i don't think it,

1682
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 3: does BUT i do think it. Might there might have

1683
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 3: been like a technical thing where there's a few times

1684
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 3: where like as if it The lena talk about their

1685
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 3: jobs or, yeah going.

1686
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 2: To the restaurant for.

1687
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 4: Breakfast that's, true And Jerry egan is a woman.

1688
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 2: And people are saying he's Both superman and a.

1689
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,720
Speaker 4: Woman, Well superman is a.

1690
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 3: Woman, well so many, breakings so many breaking.

1691
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:23,320
Speaker 2: Started, well as far as our nipple scale, goes where

1692
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 2: we rate the movie based on a scale of zero

1693
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 2: to five, nipples examining it through an intersectional feminist, LENS

1694
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 2: i don't know even a little, bit like.

1695
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 3: It's really, like DOESN'T i. Don't, YEAH i don't really.

1696
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:40,720
Speaker 2: Know doesn't. Apply, yeah we have another movie. Recently i'm

1697
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 2: going to give it five.

1698
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 4: Nipples, Okay i'm gonna give.

1699
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:50,960
Speaker 2: It i'll give it five toilet plungers on the plunger.

1700
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 3: Scale Ok get, Yeah i'll give it five novelty toilet. Plungers.

1701
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 3: Yeah i'm forgoing the nipple scale for this one because

1702
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 3: it is so unique in so many.

1703
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 4: Ways it's a story that and sends. Gender let's go with.

1704
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 3: That and that's Why i'm giving it five. PLUNGERS i think.

1705
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 4: That's Why i'm giving. It i'm giving it five nipples

1706
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 4: BECAUSE i do think that this, MOVIE i do think

1707
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:18,360
Speaker 4: it's in conversation with what it means to be a,

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01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 4: man and it presents something radically different and beautiful than

1709
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 4: what very but himself believes he has to be and

1710
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 4: what his sisters and this are forcing on, him and

1711
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 4: he breaks from. That, yeah this is, true and then

1712
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:35,760
Speaker 4: he becomes gay and has a wife and he's a.

1713
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:39,560
Speaker 4: Woman they do something more than you. Haul they like

1714
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 4: FedEx air cargo themselves around the.

1715
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:43,560
Speaker 2: World they go To.

1716
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 3: Hawaii their second data is their SECOND datea is In hawaii.

1717
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 3: THERE i DO i think you're, right like where the

1718
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:55,799
Speaker 3: sisters are mocking him because he's not meeting their threshold

1719
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:59,759
Speaker 3: for what masculinity looks. Like and how he finds happy

1720
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 3: to is by just being who he, is and just.

1721
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:08,680
Speaker 2: The way that society slash patriarchy does not permit men

1722
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 2: to express or feel or engage with their, emotions and

1723
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 2: especially if those emotions are things like sadness and loneliness and.

1724
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 2: Insecurity and that's very clearly What barry's dealing. With and

1725
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 2: he's trying to address his issues with mental, health and

1726
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 2: no one is willing to help, him, really or at

1727
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 2: least not the people in his. Family and it.

1728
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 3: Also feels like a good time capsule, too because it's,

1729
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 3: like not only does no one help, him it seems

1730
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:42,759
Speaker 3: like no one knows, how which does feel very true

1731
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 3: of the early two thousands where there were conversations around mental, health.

1732
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 2: But going to a quote unquote shrink AND i.

1733
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:54,800
Speaker 3: Think it was considered like emasculating too yes for a

1734
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 3: man to want like a.

1735
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:59,719
Speaker 2: Therapist, Definitely, grace thank you for joining.

1736
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 3: Us come back from, Megalais, OH i will come. Back

1737
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:11,520
Speaker 3: please don't MAKE i was, Like caitlin doesn't want to Do, Actually.

1738
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 2: Grace this might be how you like jettisoned me off

1739
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,640
Speaker 2: of the podcast BECAUSE i refuse to do a megas.

1740
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:20,400
Speaker 2: Episode so you've seen.

1741
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 4: It, yes in, yeah the whole, experience like with the

1742
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 4: with the usher going up to the. Screen, no but

1743
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:29,640
Speaker 4: well then it doesn't really, count.

1744
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:34,760
Speaker 3: So, yeah you didn't really see.

1745
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 4: It what do you dislike about? Me we don't have.

1746
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 2: Time but what we do have time for tell us

1747
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 2: about where people can follow you on social? Media plug

1748
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 2: what you want to, plum.

1749
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 3: Tell us That pat tell us. Everything.

1750
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 4: Well the movie is Called We Are, pat and it

1751
01:40:54,640 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 4: is a it's a lot of, things but it's at it's,

1752
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 4: core it's about How i'm a very scared. Person it is,

1753
01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 4: It but So We Are pat is a documentary that

1754
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 4: just ME i tried back out That i'm in AND

1755
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:17,680
Speaker 4: i wrote sketches for that is like looking back at

1756
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 4: the Character pat FROM snl and the widely derided Film It's,

1757
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 4: pat And pat is this androgynous character that no one

1758
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:29,559
Speaker 4: can tell If pat is a man or a. Woman,

1759
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 4: Notably pat is not non. Binary pat knows what Sex

1760
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:37,680
Speaker 4: pat is and Believes pat isn't interpreted as, such you,

1761
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 4: know does not really recognize that people don't. Know so

1762
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,600
Speaker 4: it's looking back at that finding a lot of humor in,

1763
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:52,760
Speaker 4: it trying to, like certain people hate On pat a.

1764
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:55,960
Speaker 4: Lot you, Know i'm not one of those. PEOPLE i Love.

1765
01:41:56,080 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 4: Pat it's a really good movie and it's AND i

1766
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 4: think it Is it does something THAT i haven't really

1767
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 4: seen another documentary, do which is have a comedian contend

1768
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:12,680
Speaker 4: with the consequences of their. Comedy And julia does it

1769
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:18,560
Speaker 4: in a way THAT'S i wouldn't say, apologetic but empathetic and.

1770
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:22,599
Speaker 4: Understanding and it has become a good friend of mine

1771
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:27,880
Speaker 4: throughout this like shooting, Process Julia Sweeney, rocks AND i

1772
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 4: think it is such a GOOD i think you should

1773
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:32,680
Speaker 4: watch it once it gets. Sold it's gonna be a

1774
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:38,080
Speaker 4: frameline this Like Queer, festival AND i think it's gonna

1775
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 4: be at some other places, too but hopefully it gets. Sold,

1776
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:44,719
Speaker 4: Also i've launched a sub. Stack It's Grace Chief Freud

1777
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 4: No Grace Grace Chief, No It's Grace grace g as

1778
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 4: in Go freud dot substack dot, com and it's called

1779
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 4: Wrong galaxy And i'm posting original fiction on. There in

1780
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:00,120
Speaker 4: addition to, THAT i have a reading series called On

1781
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:04,880
Speaker 4: galaxy at stories every. Month and then Also i'm At

1782
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:10,360
Speaker 4: Grace Gee freud on x and you can find me On.

1783
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 4: Instagram and those are only things to.

1784
01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 2: Plug thank you again for being. Here i'll Reconsider. Megalopolis

1785
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 2: let me think about.

1786
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 4: It for a.

1787
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 3: While it's like we're gonna wait Till christmas. Time there's.

1788
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 4: Time, yes you should also watch The christmas.

1789
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:32,760
Speaker 3: Special, YEAH i would highly recommend it If grace made.

1790
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 2: It, OH i thought it was LIKE i was. THERE

1791
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:40,479
Speaker 2: i thought it was like The megalopolis characters. DOING i

1792
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:42,559
Speaker 2: thought it was like A Star Wars christmas special kind

1793
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:45,960
Speaker 2: of thing. Basically, okay but but if you did, It

1794
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:46,800
Speaker 2: i'll watch.

1795
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 4: It And Alec robbins And Mike in put it on

1796
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:55,599
Speaker 4: and we made sketches for it and did a whole.

1797
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:58,640
Speaker 4: LOT i have a dear love for that, Film So

1798
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:03,240
Speaker 4: i'm going to give punch Drunk love five, Nipples, megelois four,

1799
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 4: nipples and Eight Crazy nights three. Nipples, Wow, okay Bye.

1800
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:14,920
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1801
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:19,120
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1802
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1803
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1804
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1805
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1806
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:39,040
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1807
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 3: Cast and with, that let's learn how to play exactly

1808
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:45,679
Speaker 3: three notes on the harmonium And i'll fall in love.

1809
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:49,439
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1810
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:55,719
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1811
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:59,519
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