WEBVTT - Turn On Tune In Tenet 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:06.960 It's eight pm at an overcrowded movie theater in London, England, 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:20.079 and you're listening to Nightcall. Hello and welcome to Nightcall, 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:23.400 a call in show for artist Tope in reality. My 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.239 name is Emily Ashida and I am joined as always 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:30.760 by Molly Lambert and Tess Lynch. Hey, guys, have you 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.960 seen Tennant yet? Have you gone to your local movie 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:36.479 theater and watched Tennant? Oh? Yeah, we all piled in 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:40.840 the car and then just jammed ourselves with our friend 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:45.800 Tom TC. Yeah. So Tom Cruise, who is a known 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.560 maniac and also just loves the movies, loves the industry 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.279 that has done so much for him. I mean, who 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:55.960 wouldn't if you're Tom Cruise. UM put out a little 0:00:55.960 --> 0:01:00.960 bit of propaganda this week, urging film goers to take 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.160 their lives into their hands and go see Tenant on 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:09.600 the big screen. UM, and he posted this very bizarre 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:15.560 video with with the typically like bombastic to tweet accompanying 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:21.399 it says, big movie, big screen loved it. I hate 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:27.160 him so much. He's just like in his he's in 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:31.160 like one of these full on neopreen masks with like 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:33.400 the vent that I think you're not supposed to have 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:35.600 those are bad. I'm not sure. I don't know the 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:39.680 latest on mask dues, and don't those have. The vent 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:44.880 just sprays your germs out, Okay. Um, people think the 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:48.520 event is high tech and that it's somehow protecting you more. 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:52.560 But actually the vent is for masks that are for 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:57.559 forest fires and stuff, and so it's meant to spray 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.560 your germs out and breathe in only the good air. 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:04.640 But people keep using them now and it's bad. Yeah. 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:09.280 So Tom Cruises sprain as well. He's got special germs. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:13.720 I'm sure his germs are our theat and free. Uh 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:18.519 so it's okay, but he Yeah, it's a very bizarre video. 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:22.160 He sits in like a crowded theater and nobody seems 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.720 to acknowledge the fact that Tom Cruise is sitting next 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.040 to them at the theater. And then there's just like 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.240 a kind of fuzzy handheld camera thing of like the 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.680 opening title of Tenant, and then it's like it's over, 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.760 and he's like it was great. I loved it. Um, 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.040 No no further details. We still can't tell what Tenant 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:41.160 is here in the United States. But I love that 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.959 Tom Cruise is the person who's allowed to do a 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:49.000 camera version of Tenant, allowed to just film the screen. Um. 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:53.320 But also I think it was a mission impossible cast 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:58.800 and Cruise screening. Oh okay, that that, you know, kind 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.600 of makes a little more sense. That's why people weren't 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:05.240 like Tom Cruise, although he did show like some tweens 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.800 being like when he drove by right when he's in 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.280 the car in his mask, and then somebody was like, 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:17.520 they must think he's somebody else, but he yeah, he 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.920 he's making a big you know, he's it's clearly like 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.480 a thing of like I'm wearing a mask so I 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.000 can go to the movie theater and therefore you should too. 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.359 You have nothing to be afraid of but fear itself. 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:34.320 And in the meantime, I yeah, like nobody's gonna be seen. 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:36.200 I don't think people are going to be seen in 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.560 Tendant in the United States, at least I think he 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.520 was in England for that. But um, I know that 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.280 a lot. This has been like a big moral issue 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.760 for critics. The A V Club wrote about it recently, 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:51.400 didn't they, I think so? Um. I mean, there are 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.360 reviews that are out because like critics for the most part, 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.080 are getting to go to distance reviews where you're just 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.520 in a big theater with like a handful of people 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:05.160 and it's you know, relatively safer, I guess, although I 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.120 don't know if I was still a critic right now, 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.360 I don't know if i'd be doing that, but you 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:11.840 know that there's a there's One of the first reviews 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:17.400 I saw was on Consequence of Sound, Uh, written by 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:21.039 Robert Daniels, and he made sure to have a note 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:22.880 at the bottom that was like, listen, this is the 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.000 situation in which I watched this movie. Your own situation 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.080 is probably not going to be like mine, so please 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.000 consider that, and like, this is by no means an 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:31.960 endorsement to go out and see this movie, even though 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.159 his review of it was also pretty middling, as a 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.960 lot of them have been. Surprisingly like, it's very funny 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.120 because right now, like the Tenant coming out and everything, 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.120 the real Nolan heads are very loud and proud on 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.000 the internet, and so it's interesting to see how much 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.520 the reviews have actually been kind of negative for this one. 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.360 And I don't know if that's sort of tinged by 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:55.560 the whole COVID issue or if it's just a bad movie. Um, 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.680 probably a combination of both, but um, yeah, it's super interesting. 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:03.200 I I like the tenant is like the Schrodinger's Cat 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:08.920 of movies that we still like, what could it be? Well, 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:13.240 it's also like I've heard people calling it Christopher Nolan Schadenfreud, 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:18.680 or like Christopher Nolan's hubris um, because yeah, he was 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.200 so adamant and Warner Brothers was so adamant that this 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.880 movie had to be shown in theaters on a big 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:28.240 screen and would not possibly ever go to V O 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.800 D or b uh in drive ins. And now I 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:33.640 think they maybe are going to let it go to 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:37.200 drive ins, but it has to also be showing in theaters. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.680 It's so it makes me so mad. I think what 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:42.839 I what I was referencing earlier, and I should clarify, 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.400 is that the A. V. Club wrote about the ethics 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.640 of covering films that are not going directly to V 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.359 O D or where. If you're a critic and you 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.240 do get, like Emily said, um, a kind of more 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:58.120 socially distanced viewing of it, is it ethical to say, like, 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.160 this movie is great, go see it when the general 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.880 public is going to see it in really different circumstances. 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.880 But it's hard not to hold all of this against Tenant. 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.040 I really didn't have Like I probably would have seen 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.800 Tenant if it had been released on v O D 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.200 whatever two months ago. I mean, when did this publicity 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.200 things start with Tenant? Feels like it's been going on 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:22.479 for a hundred years. For half of the quarantine, it 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.159 was like a running joke because they kept pushing back 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:29.400 the opening date. But the posters always were like only 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:33.240 in theaters. Yeah, and so there's still posters up that 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.080 are like opening like August whatever, that it did not 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:41.839 actually open here, And like I understand the like, you know, 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.160 not all filmmakers are like this. Some are some art. 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.320 It's completely within their rights to be like the kind 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.240 of person who's like, no, my movie needs to be 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:49.800 seen in a theater, Like I am that kind of 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:53.120 filmmaker that it is like a legit. It's art. There's 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.160 no right or wrong way to to to want your 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:57.960 art to be out there, Like you can have your 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.600 own preference. This is all value you free. But in 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:05.320 this specific circumstance that we find ourselves in, I think 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.159 the inflexibility on that part, I mean it really is 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.120 like okay, if you really are only supposed to see 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.680 this movie in theaters, then we have to wait to 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:15.680 put it out, Like, if it's worth that much to you, 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.440 then then you should probably just delay it until it 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:22.600 actually is safe, because I understand, like if you've worked 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.840 so hard on something and you really you know, you 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.600 have made something that is made for a big screen experience, 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.080 which I think that there is such a thing. Um 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.440 And even though I'm not the biggest Nolan fan in 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.000 the world, I understand that that's the way he approaches 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:40.280 his movies and it's effective and so that's fine. It's 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:43.000 just like you have to have some flexibility or like 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.800 understand that we're not working in regular times right now. 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.000 I don't know if he just isn't aware of that 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.960 because he doesn't have a cell phone or what, but 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.640 he's a very special man. But yeah, it's it's wild. Yeah, 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.600 I mean, I think if you're like, people should go 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.400 see my movie and if they die, they die, Yeah, 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.120 I mean, or it's like it's just going to be 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.800 me and Tom Cruise watching this movie and nobody else. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:12.200 That's like, okay, then that's uh, that's very exclusive art 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.480 then that you have made. Yeah, I was doing jokes 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.080 about like the Virgin Tenant and the Chad Bill and 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.680 Ted Saved the World, Because Bill and Ted Saved the 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.880 World just came out yesterday on v o D, of course, 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.160 and people liked it. People said it's it's good and funny, 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:33.160 and they were like, maybe people will start making more 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:38.160 like medium budget comedies again because everything can't be tenant. Now. 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:42.960 I wonder, I really wonder, like once we started, start 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.560 to get into the stuff that was made during COVID 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.480 and then is released during COVID, like what that's good, 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:54.000 Like what projects that works out best for because man 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:59.240 oh man, the production guidelines for shooting in COVID really 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:03.160 rule out a lot of kinds of content. So um, 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.520 we'll see about that. While we are not going to 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.840 movie theaters, we have decided to take a little ride 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:14.800 with Nexium for hbos. Like we've joined the COLT even 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:18.000 though it's been shut down. We've yes, we've taken the bow. 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.160 I finished the first up. We'll probably be talking about 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.400 this more on the podcast and coming episodes. So if 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.880 you are also watching the VOW, please give us a 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:27.640 night call it to four oh four six night and 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.280 let us know what you think. But I when I 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.679 finished watching the first episode last night, I was so 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.880 disturbed by If that were the end of the story, 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:39.720 I would have joined nex Um, no question. It was 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.720 so appealing to me. I mean, like all the cult 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.480 things we watched, all the documentaries we ever watch about cults, 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:50.720 there's stuff or you know, weird communes that take a turn. Um. 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.040 We've always said it's like there. It takes a while 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:54.760 to get to the point where you're like, oh, this 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.839 is bad, and but that's how they get you. They 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:03.240 don't start off being scary, otherwise it wouldn't work. Yeah, 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:07.040 I mean this is pretty scary. The first episode is 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.800 really like the lobster in the pot, you know, where 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:13.520 they're turning up the temperature extremely gradually. Because there is 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:17.480 something about how Nexium appears to be a very good 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:21.000 natured self help group in the beginning, Like when you're 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.839 introduced to it, it seems like the people who are 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:27.320 being interviewed about it are are really like relatable kind 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.960 of you know, they're not like necessarily even down on 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.520 their luck and like feeling like broken shells. It's just 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:35.320 that they feel like they could be doing a little 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.600 bit better, a little bit better than they're doing and 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.360 artistically and professionally and in their love lives. It's like, 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.400 I just feel like, you know, I want more joy 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:47.040 in my life. And then you see the gatherings, you know, 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.480 which also are strange to watch those kind of things 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.559 under quarantine because there's so much hugging and like putting 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.400 sashes on each other and stuff, so it seems like 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.520 it's from a different time, which it is. But yeah, 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.320 I mean, I came to Nexium late. We've talked about 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.720 Nextium on the podcast before, and we know how dangerous 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:09.320 in bonkers it became, but dude, it seemed it seemed 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.040 like a really great self help group to me in 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:16.080 episode one. I think I haven't watched the Value yet. 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.280 I plan on doing it this week. I have, like 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:22.280 I listened to one of I think several podcasts about 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:26.760 Nexium maybe a year or two ago, and I think 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.800 one of the things I did come away from it 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:33.000 with it's just like that there's again like sucks to 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:38.160 be an actress, to have the specific insecurities and needs 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.640 of an actress, because that seemed to be really like 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.360 fundamental to a lot of the people who got brought 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.920 into it and ultimately had like you know, leadership roles 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:52.160 in it is that there's it felt very um parallel 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.440 to the sorts of things that you the sorts of 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.680 psychological dynamics that are a play when you are in 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:02.760 a cast or in a theater come or something like that. So, um, yeah, 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.320 I'm really interested to see the series. Oh man, it's 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:11.280 very good, uh and disturbing. Yeah, I mean I felt 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:15.800 very strongly that this entire religion, whatever you wanna call it, 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.160 cult group, it seemed very much just like a knockoff 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:24.160 of scientology. Yeah, yeah, similar. It has less of a 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.480 sci fi element to it and more of a like 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.080 human nature kind of thing, you know, But the needs 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.360 that it claims to address, I think that's that's the cross. 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.280 It's like, if you have your starting with the same 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.319 kinds of people with the same kinds of problems, and 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:43.319 some people want the ale Aron Hubbard Space Aliens route, 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.400 and some people want something that feels more like a 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.560 you know, like a support group. Plus you know. Yeah, 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.480 I think the thing that felt scientology about it to 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.120 me was like the having different words for everything, all 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.920 the made up words. There's a thing the main fundamental 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:04.000 thing is integrating yourself. That you have parts of yourself 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:08.040 that are disintegrated and you have to work on yourself 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.600 to integrate them. Oh man, all of myself is disintegrating 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:16.040 right now. Well. One of the things that I mean, 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.679 I felt that I could have so easily been drawn 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.600 in because they have what is what they're called limiting mindsets. 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.640 I think, Um, so you write down things that you 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.960 think you know about yourself, like I'm not a morning person, 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:32.280 limiting beliefs, limiting beliefs, thank you. Um, and then lv's 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:37.480 you got to drop those lv's. But I was kind 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.160 of like I mean, and also of course, um, they 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.040 had someone who is afraid to drive on the freeway featured, 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.440 and I was like, oh no, now, I'm now I 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.680 really want to join this cult, but not not for long. 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.640 I'm sure by episode two I'll be back out. Um, 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.800 well yeah we should, uh, we should keep watching. I'm 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.480 I need to start watching. And if you are watching 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:00.880 the vow right now, give us a night call and 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.120 let us know what you think. Oh for six night, 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.000 We'll we'll revisit this next week or a week after. 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:11.559 And yeah, I can't wait. Bring on the branding. Why 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.600 don't we take a break and when we come back, 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:26.400 we'll have tales of credum welcome back to night Call. 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.320 We'd like to take a night call, a couple of 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:34.240 night calls with some opposing views about a little substance 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:41.200 called cretum. This is some point counterpoint Cradham edition. Sorry Cradham. 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.680 Hey y'all. My name is Jamie, A huge fan of 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.560 the pod, and when I saw y'all we're talking about Cradham, 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.880 I got so excited and immediately had to call in UM. 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:51.960 I have been using it off and on for about 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.440 three years now, and it's been a great help to me. 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.240 I have chronic back pain from choliosis in pretty vowding variety, 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:02.360 and it's helped to alleviate too much all of these symptoms. However, 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.400 I have had pushbacks from my psychiatrist, who was against 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.040 leaving on any kind of drugs, but I don't think 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:11.240 the medical community has enough data to be pushing one 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.120 way or the other. I love Crowdham personally, and I 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.400 think it's been extremely helpful to me, and I think 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.280 it's ridiculous for the government to try to classify this 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.360 as a Schedule one drug just based off the data 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:26.120 that's already come out about it from users like me. UM. Anyway, 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.760 that's my experience, and thank you for talking about this. 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.640 I swear nobody is and I've been using it for 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:36.080 so long. UM anyway, thank you. By all right, let's uh, 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:40.280 let's take another Crowdham called just for balance. Hey, Nicole 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.880 of my name is John. I'm from Florida, in the 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.920 Panhandle of Florida. UM. I was just listening to your 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:51.520 episode about creat um um. I wanted to share you 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.640 my experience with you, so I started taking it. I 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:59.480 was a really bad alcoholic and UM. When I started 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:06.520 taking creatum, the cravings for alcohol totally disappeared and I 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.240 was able to totally kick that habit. And it was 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:14.720 very it was very bad habit um. So in that sense, 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:19.400 it was a miracle cure um. I didn't have much 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.520 DTS or anything, so it wasn't like it took care 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.520 of me physically. It was it was just mentally. But 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:28.479 because of that, as a result, I got hooked on crowdum, 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.600 which is something that's totally possible and a lot of 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:36.440 the proponents of legalization or the you know, letting people 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.560 use it on their own without a doctor, is they're 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.200 not going to tell you that you can get severely 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:45.840 addicted to it. Just like you can and opioid or 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:50.640 a cigarette. The withdrawals are pretty much the same analogus 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:54.800 to opioid withdrawals UM, restless legs at first and then 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:59.160 aching all over the body, vomiting diarrhea, things like that. 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.800 So I say, stifullly, I traded one addiction that was 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.560 killing me for one that is most certainly not. But 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.480 it's still something I have to do every day. It's 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:12.320 been six years. I have to take it every six 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.120 hours or so. There have been a couple of times 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:16.679 when I've been off it with the help of a 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:23.280 psychiatrist to um, you know, stepping it down, UM, stepping 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.600 down the tolerance and finally stepping off, and of course 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:30.560 because I have an addicted personality, shortly thereafter started it again. 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:34.399 But I'm right now in the process of hopefully coming 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.720 down with the help of my girlfriend and my family 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:40.480 for the last time. It was something that I was 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.239 very ashamed of for a very long time, and I 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.920 was able to ask for the help I need. Is 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:52.000 Cradham good? Yes? Um? Should people be taking Crawdham on 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.719 their own? Should be folding gas stations? I don't know. 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.080 I think it should be something that the professional can 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:03.160 prescribe to you and help you kick the really bad 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.520 addictions you have. UM. From what I understand, it's not 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:09.439 hard on the body. It doesn't make you high in 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.080 the way that opioids do. It doesn't impair your judgment, 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:17.159 jour anything. It's more of a body feeling. UM. It 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.920 definitely needs to be researched. Thank you for talking about this. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.639 This is my daily existance and so it's good to 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:28.000 hear other people talking about it. Thank you, Wow, thank 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.960 you so much for sharing that. I mean both of 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.639 those calls, we actually got a ton of feedback. UM. 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.119 I missed the conversation last week. I was really sorry 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.239 to miss it, but we we got a ton of 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.359 calls and emails UM, and we were very grateful to 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:46.160 listen to and read all of them. So full disclosure. 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:51.160 Since the last episode, I have actually tried crowdam for myself. 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:55.720 I tried. I tried a varietal called you guys will 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.840 be very pleased to know about this called vampire crowdam. 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:03.639 Um it and I would totally agree with what the 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:07.480 second collar said. It's not it doesn't get you high. 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.320 It is completely a body feeling in a way that's 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.679 kind of strange like it does. It is like an 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:18.040 opioid esque body of feeling. I have a lot of 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.520 shoulder and back pain naturally all the time, and it 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:22.760 just went away in a way that I like. Even 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:24.879 just the absence of that pain was enough to make 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:27.000 me feel like maybe I was high because I was like, oh, 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.639 I have no pain and buy a body. This is incredible. Um. 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.920 But I was expecting to be able to like fall 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.880 asleep after that, because I sometimes have had trouble recently 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:39.640 falling asleep, and it didn't help with that at all 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.760 for me. I wasn't like woozy or whatever. It was 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.600 just a pleasant body feeling. But I can see that 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.359 I can totally see how that could be addictive, just 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:54.080 because it's nice to not feel pain and it's like 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:58.280 weirdly workable, Like I was having very lucid conversations with 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:02.879 people while I was on it. So yeah, it's it's something. 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.120 It doesn't feel that disruptive to your life. It's not 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:12.280 like being on on oxycodone or whatever. Um yeah, I yeah, 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:15.800 it was. It was interesting. I mean, it's interesting to 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:18.760 know that you can get withdrawals from it even if 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:24.280 it doesn't feel like anything. Uh, yeah, it's so. It's 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.400 apparently the plant is related to the coffee plant. So 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:29.960 I think that in a similar way that if you 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.520 kind of quit if you're a big coffee drinker and 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:35.160 you quit coffee cold turkey, that can be kind of difficult. 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.760 I think that might be a little bit analogous to it. 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:41.520 But I I do think the second color is right, 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.160 and that like, yeah, if you have an addictive personality 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.960 like I for the most part, don't think that I do. 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:51.400 So I am not like out to get a big 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:55.120 shipment of cradam anytime soon. Um, but if you know 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:58.080 that about yourself, and yeah, maybe this is something to 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:02.000 steer clear of. But um, definitely more research should be 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:03.680 done into it. I mean, it seems sort of like 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:07.040 an oversight that it hasn't been. That call also seemed 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:10.080 like sort of a good argument against like using it 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:13.560 to get off OPI it's because essentially sounds like you're 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:17.560 just transferring into a different addictive substance that you then 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.480 have to get off. I think that the plus side 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:23.680 why people are proponents of it is that yes, it's 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:25.960 still you can still have a dependency on it, You're 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:29.920 just less likely to die from it. So that's sort 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.600 of the one upside there. Did you have any side 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:35.440 effects from it? Because some of the feedback that we 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.840 got people had really wide ranges of like different kinds 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:42.119 of side effects from really intense constipation that one person 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:44.679 said like, I can't do it anymore because it was 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:47.959 just so awful. Um. Other people were such huge fans. 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:52.159 But when you look into the side effects that are listed, um, 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.200 they have such a wide range from hair loss to 0:21:55.880 --> 0:22:00.320 psychosis um. And obviously that's a great reason for it 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:04.879 to be tested and looked into further, because you wonder like, 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:06.960 is that something to do with the different strains or 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:10.359 just a different reaction or an interaction. I think the 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:12.679 way that you prepare it has a lot to do 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:16.520 with that. My friend who does it regularly made a 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:18.800 kind of brew of it for me that's a little 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:23.479 more um like time consuming than just sort of boiling 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:25.600 it with water and taking it like a tea, making 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.760 a sludge of it. Basically. UM. I guess the solids 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:31.960 in it are a lot of what causes people to 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:36.480 feel upset, stomach um or have other to just abtract 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.679 issues with it. So I took something that was pretty 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:44.520 filtered and um and pretty smooth and easy to to drink. 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.440 You had the top shelf Cradham, I did. I got 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:52.000 that top shelf that that uh yeah, Katherine didn't have 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:57.040 been the hunger vampire. I didn't have any other side 0:22:57.080 --> 0:23:01.399 effects other than that, which is surprising because I get 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:04.439 really nauseous off of opiate. It's like if I'm on 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:07.879 the VI get in or whatever for whatever reason, I 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:12.199 tend to get pretty pretty sick. Um. So that was 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:15.280