Speaker 1: It's eight pm at an overcrowded movie theater in London, England,
Speaker 1: and you're listening to Nightcall. Hello and welcome to Nightcall,
Speaker 1: a call in show for artist Tope in reality. My
Speaker 1: name is Emily Ashida and I am joined as always
Speaker 1: by Molly Lambert and Tess Lynch. Hey, guys, have you
Speaker 1: seen Tennant yet? Have you gone to your local movie
Speaker 1: theater and watched Tennant? Oh? Yeah, we all piled in
Speaker 1: the car and then just jammed ourselves with our friend
Speaker 1: Tom TC. Yeah. So Tom Cruise, who is a known
Speaker 1: maniac and also just loves the movies, loves the industry
Speaker 1: that has done so much for him. I mean, who
Speaker 1: wouldn't if you're Tom Cruise. UM put out a little
Speaker 1: bit of propaganda this week, urging film goers to take
Speaker 1: their lives into their hands and go see Tenant on
Speaker 1: the big screen. UM, and he posted this very bizarre
Speaker 1: video with with the typically like bombastic to tweet accompanying
Speaker 1: it says, big movie, big screen loved it. I hate
Speaker 1: him so much. He's just like in his he's in
Speaker 1: like one of these full on neopreen masks with like
Speaker 1: the vent that I think you're not supposed to have
Speaker 1: those are bad. I'm not sure. I don't know the
Speaker 1: latest on mask dues, and don't those have. The vent
Speaker 1: just sprays your germs out, Okay. Um, people think the
Speaker 1: event is high tech and that it's somehow protecting you more.
Speaker 1: But actually the vent is for masks that are for
Speaker 1: forest fires and stuff, and so it's meant to spray
Speaker 1: your germs out and breathe in only the good air.
Speaker 1: But people keep using them now and it's bad. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Tom Cruises sprain as well. He's got special germs.
Speaker 1: I'm sure his germs are our theat and free. Uh
Speaker 1: so it's okay, but he Yeah, it's a very bizarre video.
Speaker 1: He sits in like a crowded theater and nobody seems
Speaker 1: to acknowledge the fact that Tom Cruise is sitting next
Speaker 1: to them at the theater. And then there's just like
Speaker 1: a kind of fuzzy handheld camera thing of like the
Speaker 1: opening title of Tenant, and then it's like it's over,
Speaker 1: and he's like it was great. I loved it. Um,
Speaker 1: No no further details. We still can't tell what Tenant
Speaker 1: is here in the United States. But I love that
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise is the person who's allowed to do a
Speaker 1: camera version of Tenant, allowed to just film the screen. Um.
Speaker 1: But also I think it was a mission impossible cast
Speaker 1: and Cruise screening. Oh okay, that that, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of makes a little more sense. That's why people weren't
Speaker 1: like Tom Cruise, although he did show like some tweens
Speaker 1: being like when he drove by right when he's in
Speaker 1: the car in his mask, and then somebody was like,
Speaker 1: they must think he's somebody else, but he yeah, he
Speaker 1: he's making a big you know, he's it's clearly like
Speaker 1: a thing of like I'm wearing a mask so I
Speaker 1: can go to the movie theater and therefore you should too.
Speaker 1: You have nothing to be afraid of but fear itself.
Speaker 1: And in the meantime, I yeah, like nobody's gonna be seen.
Speaker 1: I don't think people are going to be seen in
Speaker 1: Tendant in the United States, at least I think he
Speaker 1: was in England for that. But um, I know that
Speaker 1: a lot. This has been like a big moral issue
Speaker 1: for critics. The A V Club wrote about it recently,
Speaker 1: didn't they, I think so? Um. I mean, there are
Speaker 1: reviews that are out because like critics for the most part,
Speaker 1: are getting to go to distance reviews where you're just
Speaker 1: in a big theater with like a handful of people
Speaker 1: and it's you know, relatively safer, I guess, although I
Speaker 1: don't know if I was still a critic right now,
Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd be doing that, but you
Speaker 1: know that there's a there's One of the first reviews
Speaker 1: I saw was on Consequence of Sound, Uh, written by
Speaker 1: Robert Daniels, and he made sure to have a note
Speaker 1: at the bottom that was like, listen, this is the
Speaker 1: situation in which I watched this movie. Your own situation
Speaker 1: is probably not going to be like mine, so please
Speaker 1: consider that, and like, this is by no means an
Speaker 1: endorsement to go out and see this movie, even though
Speaker 1: his review of it was also pretty middling, as a
Speaker 1: lot of them have been. Surprisingly like, it's very funny
Speaker 1: because right now, like the Tenant coming out and everything,
Speaker 1: the real Nolan heads are very loud and proud on
Speaker 1: the internet, and so it's interesting to see how much
Speaker 1: the reviews have actually been kind of negative for this one.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's sort of tinged by
Speaker 1: the whole COVID issue or if it's just a bad movie. Um,
Speaker 1: probably a combination of both, but um, yeah, it's super interesting.
Speaker 1: I I like the tenant is like the Schrodinger's Cat
Speaker 1: of movies that we still like, what could it be? Well,
Speaker 1: it's also like I've heard people calling it Christopher Nolan Schadenfreud,
Speaker 1: or like Christopher Nolan's hubris um, because yeah, he was
Speaker 1: so adamant and Warner Brothers was so adamant that this
Speaker 1: movie had to be shown in theaters on a big
Speaker 1: screen and would not possibly ever go to V O
Speaker 1: D or b uh in drive ins. And now I
Speaker 1: think they maybe are going to let it go to
Speaker 1: drive ins, but it has to also be showing in theaters.
Speaker 1: It's so it makes me so mad. I think what
Speaker 1: I what I was referencing earlier, and I should clarify,
Speaker 1: is that the A. V. Club wrote about the ethics
Speaker 1: of covering films that are not going directly to V
Speaker 1: O D or where. If you're a critic and you
Speaker 1: do get, like Emily said, um, a kind of more
Speaker 1: socially distanced viewing of it, is it ethical to say, like,
Speaker 1: this movie is great, go see it when the general
Speaker 1: public is going to see it in really different circumstances.
Speaker 1: But it's hard not to hold all of this against Tenant.
Speaker 1: I really didn't have Like I probably would have seen
Speaker 1: Tenant if it had been released on v O D
Speaker 1: whatever two months ago. I mean, when did this publicity
Speaker 1: things start with Tenant? Feels like it's been going on
Speaker 1: for a hundred years. For half of the quarantine, it
Speaker 1: was like a running joke because they kept pushing back
Speaker 1: the opening date. But the posters always were like only
Speaker 1: in theaters. Yeah, and so there's still posters up that
Speaker 1: are like opening like August whatever, that it did not
Speaker 1: actually open here, And like I understand the like, you know,
Speaker 1: not all filmmakers are like this. Some are some art.
Speaker 1: It's completely within their rights to be like the kind
Speaker 1: of person who's like, no, my movie needs to be
Speaker 1: seen in a theater, Like I am that kind of
Speaker 1: filmmaker that it is like a legit. It's art. There's
Speaker 1: no right or wrong way to to to want your
Speaker 1: art to be out there, Like you can have your
Speaker 1: own preference. This is all value you free. But in
Speaker 1: this specific circumstance that we find ourselves in, I think
Speaker 1: the inflexibility on that part, I mean it really is
Speaker 1: like okay, if you really are only supposed to see
Speaker 1: this movie in theaters, then we have to wait to
Speaker 1: put it out, Like, if it's worth that much to you,
Speaker 1: then then you should probably just delay it until it
Speaker 1: actually is safe, because I understand, like if you've worked
Speaker 1: so hard on something and you really you know, you
Speaker 1: have made something that is made for a big screen experience,
Speaker 1: which I think that there is such a thing. Um
Speaker 1: And even though I'm not the biggest Nolan fan in
Speaker 1: the world, I understand that that's the way he approaches
Speaker 1: his movies and it's effective and so that's fine. It's
Speaker 1: just like you have to have some flexibility or like
Speaker 1: understand that we're not working in regular times right now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he just isn't aware of that
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have a cell phone or what, but
Speaker 1: he's a very special man. But yeah, it's it's wild. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think if you're like, people should go
Speaker 1: see my movie and if they die, they die, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, or it's like it's just going to be
Speaker 1: me and Tom Cruise watching this movie and nobody else.
Speaker 1: That's like, okay, then that's uh, that's very exclusive art
Speaker 1: then that you have made. Yeah, I was doing jokes
Speaker 1: about like the Virgin Tenant and the Chad Bill and
Speaker 1: Ted Saved the World, Because Bill and Ted Saved the
Speaker 1: World just came out yesterday on v o D, of course,
Speaker 1: and people liked it. People said it's it's good and funny,
Speaker 1: and they were like, maybe people will start making more
Speaker 1: like medium budget comedies again because everything can't be tenant. Now.
Speaker 1: I wonder, I really wonder, like once we started, start
Speaker 1: to get into the stuff that was made during COVID
Speaker 1: and then is released during COVID, like what that's good,
Speaker 1: Like what projects that works out best for because man
Speaker 1: oh man, the production guidelines for shooting in COVID really
Speaker 1: rule out a lot of kinds of content. So um,
Speaker 1: we'll see about that. While we are not going to
Speaker 1: movie theaters, we have decided to take a little ride
Speaker 1: with Nexium for hbos. Like we've joined the COLT even
Speaker 1: though it's been shut down. We've yes, we've taken the bow.
Speaker 1: I finished the first up. We'll probably be talking about
Speaker 1: this more on the podcast and coming episodes. So if
Speaker 1: you are also watching the VOW, please give us a
Speaker 1: night call it to four oh four six night and
Speaker 1: let us know what you think. But I when I
Speaker 1: finished watching the first episode last night, I was so
Speaker 1: disturbed by If that were the end of the story,
Speaker 1: I would have joined nex Um, no question. It was
Speaker 1: so appealing to me. I mean, like all the cult
Speaker 1: things we watched, all the documentaries we ever watch about cults,
Speaker 1: there's stuff or you know, weird communes that take a turn. Um.
Speaker 1: We've always said it's like there. It takes a while
Speaker 1: to get to the point where you're like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is bad, and but that's how they get you. They
Speaker 1: don't start off being scary, otherwise it wouldn't work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is pretty scary. The first episode is
Speaker 1: really like the lobster in the pot, you know, where
Speaker 1: they're turning up the temperature extremely gradually. Because there is
Speaker 1: something about how Nexium appears to be a very good
Speaker 1: natured self help group in the beginning, Like when you're
Speaker 1: introduced to it, it seems like the people who are
Speaker 1: being interviewed about it are are really like relatable kind
Speaker 1: of you know, they're not like necessarily even down on
Speaker 1: their luck and like feeling like broken shells. It's just
Speaker 1: that they feel like they could be doing a little
Speaker 1: bit better, a little bit better than they're doing and
Speaker 1: artistically and professionally and in their love lives. It's like,
Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know, I want more joy
Speaker 1: in my life. And then you see the gatherings, you know,
Speaker 1: which also are strange to watch those kind of things
Speaker 1: under quarantine because there's so much hugging and like putting
Speaker 1: sashes on each other and stuff, so it seems like
Speaker 1: it's from a different time, which it is. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I came to Nexium late. We've talked about
Speaker 1: Nextium on the podcast before, and we know how dangerous
Speaker 1: in bonkers it became, but dude, it seemed it seemed
Speaker 1: like a really great self help group to me in
Speaker 1: episode one. I think I haven't watched the Value yet.
Speaker 1: I plan on doing it this week. I have, like
Speaker 1: I listened to one of I think several podcasts about
Speaker 1: Nexium maybe a year or two ago, and I think
Speaker 1: one of the things I did come away from it
Speaker 1: with it's just like that there's again like sucks to
Speaker 1: be an actress, to have the specific insecurities and needs
Speaker 1: of an actress, because that seemed to be really like
Speaker 1: fundamental to a lot of the people who got brought
Speaker 1: into it and ultimately had like you know, leadership roles
Speaker 1: in it is that there's it felt very um parallel
Speaker 1: to the sorts of things that you the sorts of
Speaker 1: psychological dynamics that are a play when you are in
Speaker 1: a cast or in a theater come or something like that. So, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm really interested to see the series. Oh man, it's
Speaker 1: very good, uh and disturbing. Yeah, I mean I felt
Speaker 1: very strongly that this entire religion, whatever you wanna call it,
Speaker 1: cult group, it seemed very much just like a knockoff
Speaker 1: of scientology. Yeah, yeah, similar. It has less of a
Speaker 1: sci fi element to it and more of a like
Speaker 1: human nature kind of thing, you know, But the needs
Speaker 1: that it claims to address, I think that's that's the cross.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you have your starting with the same
Speaker 1: kinds of people with the same kinds of problems, and
Speaker 1: some people want the ale Aron Hubbard Space Aliens route,
Speaker 1: and some people want something that feels more like a
Speaker 1: you know, like a support group. Plus you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the thing that felt scientology about it to
Speaker 1: me was like the having different words for everything, all
Speaker 1: the made up words. There's a thing the main fundamental
Speaker 1: thing is integrating yourself. That you have parts of yourself
Speaker 1: that are disintegrated and you have to work on yourself
Speaker 1: to integrate them. Oh man, all of myself is disintegrating
Speaker 1: right now. Well. One of the things that I mean,
Speaker 1: I felt that I could have so easily been drawn
Speaker 1: in because they have what is what they're called limiting mindsets.
Speaker 1: I think, Um, so you write down things that you
Speaker 1: think you know about yourself, like I'm not a morning person,
Speaker 1: limiting beliefs, limiting beliefs, thank you. Um, and then lv's
Speaker 1: you got to drop those lv's. But I was kind
Speaker 1: of like I mean, and also of course, um, they
Speaker 1: had someone who is afraid to drive on the freeway featured,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh no, now, I'm now I
Speaker 1: really want to join this cult, but not not for long.
Speaker 1: I'm sure by episode two I'll be back out. Um,
Speaker 1: well yeah we should, uh, we should keep watching. I'm
Speaker 1: I need to start watching. And if you are watching
Speaker 1: the vow right now, give us a night call and
Speaker 1: let us know what you think. Oh for six night,
Speaker 1: We'll we'll revisit this next week or a week after.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I can't wait. Bring on the branding. Why
Speaker 1: don't we take a break and when we come back,
Speaker 1: we'll have tales of credum welcome back to night Call.
Speaker 1: We'd like to take a night call, a couple of
Speaker 1: night calls with some opposing views about a little substance
Speaker 1: called cretum. This is some point counterpoint Cradham edition. Sorry Cradham.
Speaker 1: Hey y'all. My name is Jamie, A huge fan of
Speaker 1: the pod, and when I saw y'all we're talking about Cradham,
Speaker 1: I got so excited and immediately had to call in UM.
Speaker 1: I have been using it off and on for about
Speaker 1: three years now, and it's been a great help to me.
Speaker 1: I have chronic back pain from choliosis in pretty vowding variety,
Speaker 1: and it's helped to alleviate too much all of these symptoms. However,
Speaker 1: I have had pushbacks from my psychiatrist, who was against
Speaker 1: leaving on any kind of drugs, but I don't think
Speaker 1: the medical community has enough data to be pushing one
Speaker 1: way or the other. I love Crowdham personally, and I
Speaker 1: think it's been extremely helpful to me, and I think
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous for the government to try to classify this
Speaker 1: as a Schedule one drug just based off the data
Speaker 1: that's already come out about it from users like me. UM. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's my experience, and thank you for talking about this.
Speaker 1: I swear nobody is and I've been using it for
Speaker 1: so long. UM anyway, thank you. By all right, let's uh,
Speaker 1: let's take another Crowdham called just for balance. Hey, Nicole
Speaker 1: of my name is John. I'm from Florida, in the
Speaker 1: Panhandle of Florida. UM. I was just listening to your
Speaker 1: episode about creat um um. I wanted to share you
Speaker 1: my experience with you, so I started taking it. I
Speaker 1: was a really bad alcoholic and UM. When I started
Speaker 1: taking creatum, the cravings for alcohol totally disappeared and I
Speaker 1: was able to totally kick that habit. And it was
Speaker 1: very it was very bad habit um. So in that sense,
Speaker 1: it was a miracle cure um. I didn't have much
Speaker 1: DTS or anything, so it wasn't like it took care
Speaker 1: of me physically. It was it was just mentally. But
Speaker 1: because of that, as a result, I got hooked on crowdum,
Speaker 1: which is something that's totally possible and a lot of
Speaker 1: the proponents of legalization or the you know, letting people
Speaker 1: use it on their own without a doctor, is they're
Speaker 1: not going to tell you that you can get severely
Speaker 1: addicted to it. Just like you can and opioid or
Speaker 1: a cigarette. The withdrawals are pretty much the same analogus
Speaker 1: to opioid withdrawals UM, restless legs at first and then
Speaker 1: aching all over the body, vomiting diarrhea, things like that.
Speaker 1: So I say, stifullly, I traded one addiction that was
Speaker 1: killing me for one that is most certainly not. But
Speaker 1: it's still something I have to do every day. It's
Speaker 1: been six years. I have to take it every six
Speaker 1: hours or so. There have been a couple of times
Speaker 1: when I've been off it with the help of a
Speaker 1: psychiatrist to um, you know, stepping it down, UM, stepping
Speaker 1: down the tolerance and finally stepping off, and of course
Speaker 1: because I have an addicted personality, shortly thereafter started it again.
Speaker 1: But I'm right now in the process of hopefully coming
Speaker 1: down with the help of my girlfriend and my family
Speaker 1: for the last time. It was something that I was
Speaker 1: very ashamed of for a very long time, and I
Speaker 1: was able to ask for the help I need. Is
Speaker 1: Cradham good? Yes? Um? Should people be taking Crawdham on
Speaker 1: their own? Should be folding gas stations? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it should be something that the professional can
Speaker 1: prescribe to you and help you kick the really bad
Speaker 1: addictions you have. UM. From what I understand, it's not
Speaker 1: hard on the body. It doesn't make you high in
Speaker 1: the way that opioids do. It doesn't impair your judgment,
Speaker 1: jour anything. It's more of a body feeling. UM. It
Speaker 1: definitely needs to be researched. Thank you for talking about this.
Speaker 1: This is my daily existance and so it's good to
Speaker 1: hear other people talking about it. Thank you, Wow, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for sharing that. I mean both of
Speaker 1: those calls, we actually got a ton of feedback. UM.
Speaker 1: I missed the conversation last week. I was really sorry
Speaker 1: to miss it, but we we got a ton of
Speaker 1: calls and emails UM, and we were very grateful to
Speaker 1: listen to and read all of them. So full disclosure.
Speaker 1: Since the last episode, I have actually tried crowdam for myself.
Speaker 1: I tried. I tried a varietal called you guys will
Speaker 1: be very pleased to know about this called vampire crowdam.
Speaker 1: Um it and I would totally agree with what the
Speaker 1: second collar said. It's not it doesn't get you high.
Speaker 1: It is completely a body feeling in a way that's
Speaker 1: kind of strange like it does. It is like an
Speaker 1: opioid esque body of feeling. I have a lot of
Speaker 1: shoulder and back pain naturally all the time, and it
Speaker 1: just went away in a way that I like. Even
Speaker 1: just the absence of that pain was enough to make
Speaker 1: me feel like maybe I was high because I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I have no pain and buy a body. This is incredible. Um.
Speaker 1: But I was expecting to be able to like fall
Speaker 1: asleep after that, because I sometimes have had trouble recently
Speaker 1: falling asleep, and it didn't help with that at all
Speaker 1: for me. I wasn't like woozy or whatever. It was
Speaker 1: just a pleasant body feeling. But I can see that
Speaker 1: I can totally see how that could be addictive, just
Speaker 1: because it's nice to not feel pain and it's like
Speaker 1: weirdly workable, Like I was having very lucid conversations with
Speaker 1: people while I was on it. So yeah, it's it's something.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel that disruptive to your life. It's not
Speaker 1: like being on on oxycodone or whatever. Um yeah, I yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was interesting. I mean, it's interesting to
Speaker 1: know that you can get withdrawals from it even if
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like anything. Uh, yeah, it's so. It's
Speaker 1: apparently the plant is related to the coffee plant. So
Speaker 1: I think that in a similar way that if you
Speaker 1: kind of quit if you're a big coffee drinker and
Speaker 1: you quit coffee cold turkey, that can be kind of difficult.
Speaker 1: I think that might be a little bit analogous to it.
Speaker 1: But I I do think the second color is right,
Speaker 1: and that like, yeah, if you have an addictive personality
Speaker 1: like I for the most part, don't think that I do.
Speaker 1: So I am not like out to get a big
Speaker 1: shipment of cradam anytime soon. Um, but if you know
Speaker 1: that about yourself, and yeah, maybe this is something to
Speaker 1: steer clear of. But um, definitely more research should be
Speaker 1: done into it. I mean, it seems sort of like
Speaker 1: an oversight that it hasn't been. That call also seemed
Speaker 1: like sort of a good argument against like using it
Speaker 1: to get off OPI it's because essentially sounds like you're
Speaker 1: just transferring into a different addictive substance that you then
Speaker 1: have to get off. I think that the plus side
Speaker 1: why people are proponents of it is that yes, it's
Speaker 1: still you can still have a dependency on it, You're
Speaker 1: just less likely to die from it. So that's sort
Speaker 1: of the one upside there. Did you have any side
Speaker 1: effects from it? Because some of the feedback that we
Speaker 1: got people had really wide ranges of like different kinds
Speaker 1: of side effects from really intense constipation that one person
Speaker 1: said like, I can't do it anymore because it was
Speaker 1: just so awful. Um. Other people were such huge fans.
Speaker 1: But when you look into the side effects that are listed, um,
Speaker 1: they have such a wide range from hair loss to
Speaker 1: psychosis um. And obviously that's a great reason for it
Speaker 1: to be tested and looked into further, because you wonder like,
Speaker 1: is that something to do with the different strains or
Speaker 1: just a different reaction or an interaction. I think the
Speaker 1: way that you prepare it has a lot to do
Speaker 1: with that. My friend who does it regularly made a
Speaker 1: kind of brew of it for me that's a little
Speaker 1: more um like time consuming than just sort of boiling
Speaker 1: it with water and taking it like a tea, making
Speaker 1: a sludge of it. Basically. UM. I guess the solids
Speaker 1: in it are a lot of what causes people to
Speaker 1: feel upset, stomach um or have other to just abtract
Speaker 1: issues with it. So I took something that was pretty
Speaker 1: filtered and um and pretty smooth and easy to to drink.
Speaker 1: You had the top shelf Cradham, I did. I got
Speaker 1: that top shelf that that uh yeah, Katherine didn't have
Speaker 1: been the hunger vampire. I didn't have any other side
Speaker 1: effects other than that, which is surprising because I get
Speaker 1: really nauseous off of opiate. It's like if I'm on
Speaker 1: the VI get in or whatever for whatever reason, I
Speaker 1: tend to get pretty pretty sick. Um. So that was
Speaker 1: my own personal experience. But it seems like the types
Speaker 1: of Crowdham very wildly wildly um, and people's own tolerance
Speaker 1: and you know, compatibility with it varies widely. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just because we were talking
Speaker 1: about it um or if it is just becoming more widespread.
Speaker 1: But I saw my first sign for it in the
Speaker 1: valley a couple of days ago at a smoke shop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how is it being advertised? Well, it was like, um,
Speaker 1: like a sandwich board out front, just like here's all
Speaker 1: the things we have in the smoke shop, and it
Speaker 1: was like CBD crawdam like vapes or whatever. Um. I
Speaker 1: was just surprised that Crowdham was like the headliner. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was the second headliner. I'm glad we got so
Speaker 1: many calls about it, Like it does feel like a
Speaker 1: thing like I never hear anybody talking about it either.
Speaker 1: It's just something that I always register if I'm like
Speaker 1: not in New York or l A, that it is around. Um,
Speaker 1: like it was around in Florida last time I was
Speaker 1: in Florida, and um, yeah, it's it feels kind of
Speaker 1: semi semi regional or it's not a coastal elite drug
Speaker 1: will say. But yeah, yeah, anyway, thanks for your calls everybody.
Speaker 1: That was great. Yeah, give us more calls about Crowdham
Speaker 1: and other other legal like cures mind altering substances that
Speaker 1: are not just for coastal elites. Yeah, and if you've
Speaker 1: had bad experiences with Crowdham, we would also like to
Speaker 1: hear about them. We are now the Crowdham Research Council. Yeah,
Speaker 1: apparently we're doing the work that nobody else will do.
Speaker 1: Thank you Emily for for actually venturing out in the
Speaker 1: field there. Why is it called vampire this one? I
Speaker 1: have no idea. I have no idea. Uh yeah, it
Speaker 1: beats me. I could look into it, but I didn't
Speaker 1: make the order. So I'm so after we're all done, um,
Speaker 1: going to a crowded movie theater to watch Tenant. How
Speaker 1: about we all hook into our Halo devices and uh
Speaker 1: check in our on our emotions and uh body fat
Speaker 1: percentages and feed that information to Amazon. Does that sounds
Speaker 1: like a future we all want? Oh my god, hallo?
Speaker 1: Uh yeah Amazon. Amazon announced that it's going to release
Speaker 1: this device called a Halo, which is they're kind of
Speaker 1: health and fitness body tracker type device, um, but has
Speaker 1: the added benefit of doing a full three D body
Speaker 1: scan on you to detect your body fat content and
Speaker 1: also scan you for your emotional or monitor your your
Speaker 1: emotions over the day. I guess through the tone of
Speaker 1: your voice. There's a story about this on the Verge.
Speaker 1: Dieter Bond, my former colleague, wrote about it. Um about
Speaker 1: this this release, which I think it's not. It's not
Speaker 1: out yet, but when when was it going? When are
Speaker 1: they planning on releasing it later this year? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Hopefully neverfully they think about this my main issue, So
Speaker 1: I guess, um reading about this on the Verge, the
Speaker 1: good news is there is some good news um that
Speaker 1: it doesn't use GPS or Wi Fi tracking and that
Speaker 1: tone and I think the body. The tone is what
Speaker 1: monitors your tone of voice. Body is the three D
Speaker 1: scan that monitors your body. Fat tone is opt in
Speaker 1: and you train it to get used to your voice
Speaker 1: by reading text back to it, and then it will
Speaker 1: occasionally listen to you, um like intermittently, not on a schedule,
Speaker 1: and it will report back on your emotional state. For me,
Speaker 1: tone is way more troubling, yes than body, because also
Speaker 1: I'm like, who actually wants to know? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, who wants to know? Who wants to
Speaker 1: know how often you get upset? You kind of do
Speaker 1: know how often you get upset. It just seems like
Speaker 1: such traumatic information for a wearable track or to deliver
Speaker 1: to you, like you're depressed, you're really angry. And it's
Speaker 1: also you know, we don't know who is eventually going
Speaker 1: to be paying for this information and having access to
Speaker 1: it and knowing you know, what your emotion levels are
Speaker 1: on your halo on any given day, and like whether
Speaker 1: or not that could be used as justification for law
Speaker 1: enforcement to do X, Y or Z to you because
Speaker 1: you were angry on your halo. I mean, there's so
Speaker 1: if you just think like five steps ahead for what
Speaker 1: this technology could be used for. It starts to get
Speaker 1: very very dystopian very quickly. And you know, I mean
Speaker 1: I think I haven't seen anybody say anything positive about this.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't meet Like Jeff Bezos is now like
Speaker 1: what he's uh like a millionaire. He's a double hundred
Speaker 1: two two billion dollars Is that right? Um? He doesn't
Speaker 1: like who cares? He can he can, you know, make
Speaker 1: this a product that people He can he like he
Speaker 1: didn't with Alexa already, Like that's the thing that everybody
Speaker 1: feels like they need now, even though I don't personally,
Speaker 1: I think that if you have Alexa in your house,
Speaker 1: you are an insane person. Uh. But and I and
Speaker 1: I include a lot of friends of mine in this. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's no there's like public opinion doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: Like this will just be a part of our lives.
Speaker 1: Like Amazon is far reaching enough. This is just going
Speaker 1: to be a part of our lives. Um. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: it's they're they're saying all the right things about how
Speaker 1: easy it is to delete this data and to control
Speaker 1: the data, and that they're not going to sell it.
Speaker 1: The problem is that there's no reason to trust Amazon
Speaker 1: at all, you know, which is something that people are
Speaker 1: always slow to learn. But all so, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of unsure about how it. I know that it's
Speaker 1: like linked your phone and that it's a wearable but
Speaker 1: if it's recording you intermittently, how can it avoid recording
Speaker 1: other people around you as well? Um, And again, like
Speaker 1: we we talked about with the Bluetooth proximity and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, the way that you could piece to gather
Speaker 1: things and claim that you're assisting and solving a crime
Speaker 1: or whatever with a randomly picked up source of dialogue
Speaker 1: that also could be someone else talking like in the
Speaker 1: rabbit Hole is so deep with this particular feature that
Speaker 1: you can just think of like a myriad of ways
Speaker 1: that this could be horribly and criminally misused. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had a problem, Like I think that wearable tech is
Speaker 1: a UM kind of a rubicon that we crossed a
Speaker 1: while ago with UM with the Apple Watch. And I
Speaker 1: was like super spooked out by the Apple Watch when
Speaker 1: that came out, just because I think anything that is
Speaker 1: on your person and meant to be on your person
Speaker 1: at all times like that that feels like voluntarily like
Speaker 1: narking on yourself, regardless of voluntelling. Thing is that it does.
Speaker 1: And that's with Apple that has as far as the
Speaker 1: big tech companies go, Apple is pretty goods as far
Speaker 1: as like information security and keeping your data private, like
Speaker 1: like that's not the business that they're in. So but
Speaker 1: even still, you know that's still on a WiFi signal,
Speaker 1: that's still or you know that's still Bluetooth connected to
Speaker 1: your phone or whatever. Like it's not. It doesn't exist
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. It's not an analog watch. And when
Speaker 1: Apple or when Amazon is making a version of that,
Speaker 1: that is like so much more invasive when you're talking
Speaker 1: about emotions and stuff. I absolutely do not trust Amazon
Speaker 1: with any of my data, let alone my emotional data. Like,
Speaker 1: I sincerely doubt that it works UM because, as Meredith Whittaker,
Speaker 1: who we had on recently demonstrated, all of that kind
Speaker 1: of like we're going to use tech to read your
Speaker 1: oceans stuff is largely vaporware bullshit. Uh it's like a
Speaker 1: mood ring. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's also
Speaker 1: it capitalizes. I think that the reason that this is
Speaker 1: being pushed out now is recently there was discussion about
Speaker 1: how the fitbit might be able to UM basically diagnose
Speaker 1: coronavirus or give you a some kind of a clue
Speaker 1: if you're exhibiting symptoms by monitoring heart rate changes and stuff.
Speaker 1: But it kind of just seems also to exploit like
Speaker 1: a heightened sense of hypochondria and paranoia. That's very understandable
Speaker 1: for people to have right now, but it's weird to
Speaker 1: tack on tone because again, I can't understand how that
Speaker 1: benefits a person who's experiencing emotions, and like, I guess
Speaker 1: it serves as a mirror, but as Molly pointed out,
Speaker 1: it's being interpreted by AI that is notoriously bad at
Speaker 1: deciphering human emotions at all. So you could be told
Speaker 1: that you're, you know, a very like depressed or angry
Speaker 1: person when maybe that's just a flaw. Yeah, Like, and
Speaker 1: that's that's completely aside from yeah, completely aside from the
Speaker 1: data privacy or anything. It's like, once you put something
Speaker 1: in the mix that you're you are essentially like performing
Speaker 1: for you know, you have an audience in the form
Speaker 1: of this halo device that kind of changes your entire
Speaker 1: relationship to yourself and your emotions and like makes you
Speaker 1: think about them in a way that maybe is not
Speaker 1: completely natural, like healthy uh, you know, those are all
Speaker 1: values that vary from person to person, but still, like
Speaker 1: it's just I don't, yeah, who would want that in
Speaker 1: their lives? Here here at Nightcall, we only endorse one
Speaker 1: form of regulating your emotions, and that is astrology. Yes,
Speaker 1: the one true therapy. Instead of an emotion monitor, just
Speaker 1: read some astrology and it will tell you what moved
Speaker 1: you're in today and then you know, I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting the perfor wormative like performing emotion for your
Speaker 1: for your wearable is interesting because it I mean, we
Speaker 1: all had differing opinions about the episode, um the Black
Speaker 1: Mirror episode knows Dive, but it reminds me a lot
Speaker 1: of that where it becomes kind of like what, um,
Speaker 1: you're you're almost like whether or not they're selling your data.
Speaker 1: It seems like a way to practice being a false
Speaker 1: version of yourself and and also that that could be
Speaker 1: super exploited for like brand. I mean, it's almost like
Speaker 1: you're you're becoming your own brand. You're losing any kind
Speaker 1: of depth and just like flattening yourself into like a
Speaker 1: happy brand. Yeah, because like who knows what could be
Speaker 1: used against you if your data shows that you are
Speaker 1: sad and miserable all the time, Like, who knows what's
Speaker 1: gonna getting marketed to you because of that? Who knows
Speaker 1: like how you're going to be profiled in any kind
Speaker 1: of like police database. You know, it's all, Oh, it's
Speaker 1: such a bad idea. Oh my god, I cannot think
Speaker 1: that this is anywhere close to legal. It feels like
Speaker 1: the Yeah, it feels like the beginning of like pre
Speaker 1: cry It's totally yeah, it's uh, it's very minority report. Um.
Speaker 1: Speaking of TC tomb friend cruise Pal, I'm going to
Speaker 1: call him that forever now, friend cruise Path. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break and when we come back,
Speaker 1: we're going to be joined by our guests. This week,
Speaker 1: Katherine inspires to talk about food, community fridges and all
Speaker 1: sorts of food stuff, so stay tuned for that. Welcome back.
Speaker 1: We are now joined by Catherine Spires, a food and
Speaker 1: culture journalist who hosts a food history podcast called smart
Speaker 1: Mouth and edits a newsletter on the same topic at
Speaker 1: smart Mouth dot sub stack dot com. Welcome Catherine to
Speaker 1: the podcast. How are you today? I'm so good, Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for having me. We are so excited
Speaker 1: to have you. I just started reading the smart Mouth
Speaker 1: newsletter after listening to the podcast and it's so good.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's really nice of you to say. I
Speaker 1: do like that it has other writers not just me,
Speaker 1: so I can be like, if you don't have to
Speaker 1: listen to me more. Yeah, it's nice to kind of
Speaker 1: spread it around and you have some really good contributors.
Speaker 1: There was one um about Midwestern ice creams that was great.
Speaker 1: I think that was by Ellen or no, the Ellen Canner.
Speaker 1: One was the New Orleans Fritter. Yes, the fritter that's
Speaker 1: like actually more historically important than the Beigne but never
Speaker 1: gets talked about, maybe because it's harder to make because
Speaker 1: it's made with rice. Yeah, what what is it called?
Speaker 1: A cola? Cola? A cola? Honestly, I'm probably mispronouncing it
Speaker 1: and you'll get all your Louisiana listeners irate, but it's
Speaker 1: spelled c a l a. Yeah. Um, how did you
Speaker 1: decide to start smart Mouth because you were formerly the
Speaker 1: food editor at l A Weekly. Yeah, right, and then
Speaker 1: we all got fired. And then I was like, well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing about being a journalist, Like having a
Speaker 1: full time job kind of means nothing so and also
Speaker 1: doesn't pay anything, so I might as well have nothing
Speaker 1: and be paid nothing on my own terms. We follow
Speaker 1: this model as well. Yeah, you guys get it exactly.
Speaker 1: So that's just what I'm doing with food stuff. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's been really nice, like during quarantine. I think
Speaker 1: I keep bringing this up on the podcast to just
Speaker 1: talk about food. Um, the last comforting thing we have
Speaker 1: left potentially and somehow like the hottest topic of COVID too,
Speaker 1: like it is. It is some of the biggest like
Speaker 1: media news has centered around food journalism and the food world.
Speaker 1: It just feels like because everybody's cooking now, these these
Speaker 1: issues affect us even more, like down to the media
Speaker 1: level all of it. Yeah, I think people are remembering
Speaker 1: that they can cook a lot more than maybe they do.
Speaker 1: I think a lot more people are cooking a lot
Speaker 1: more than they have recently. Molly kind of recently went
Speaker 1: on a search for the perfect cold soup. I saw that. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm not into soup, so I didn't have anything to
Speaker 1: offer you, Molly. I'm I don't know, especially like cold soup.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I'd rather have a popsicle. It's
Speaker 1: just the same thing popsicle, yes exactly, but with no
Speaker 1: savory only sweet. Okay, that's just a popsicle. Yeah. Have
Speaker 1: you seen any of the TikTok videos about the n
Speaker 1: y U kids who are in their dorms being delivered
Speaker 1: the sad meals because they're they're like stuck and they
Speaker 1: can't come out of their dorms. Oh no, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: that I kind of fixated on that way too long,
Speaker 1: because I mean they were getting these bags and some
Speaker 1: some of the contents were just like a cupcake and
Speaker 1: peanut butter, and then there was the one, like the
Speaker 1: big meal I guess was a chicken and watermelon salad,
Speaker 1: which then like one of the TikTok people like accidentally
Speaker 1: dropped on the floor and they were like cleaning up
Speaker 1: the chicken and watermelon salad, and I was like, this
Speaker 1: is very evocative and horrible. Um. But I that's kind
Speaker 1: of why I've been enjoying your newsletter so much, because
Speaker 1: I feel like all I think about in my downtime
Speaker 1: is is food. Um. Is there anything you've been enjoying
Speaker 1: cooking or eating during the core? Um? Honestly, like getting
Speaker 1: more into salads because I realized that, like I at
Speaker 1: my core and a child when it comes to eating,
Speaker 1: and I need to remember to eat my vegetables, so
Speaker 1: I've been trying to get creative around that. And also
Speaker 1: I joined a C s A. So I get vegetables
Speaker 1: delivered to me and it's like what am I going
Speaker 1: to do with these? So you have to do them?
Speaker 1: And then also this is like so basic of me,
Speaker 1: but I have perfected my banana bread recipe. So which
Speaker 1: one do you use? Um? I started with the Joy
Speaker 1: of Cooking recipe, but I add more lemon and like,
Speaker 1: I think it's calls for a banana and a half,
Speaker 1: so I do like three bananas, and then also toasted hazelnuts.
Speaker 1: I decided that's actually the key. Yeah, I can't do
Speaker 1: any great, it's real great. That sounds so much better
Speaker 1: than walnuts. Yeah, yeah, it works a lot better. I
Speaker 1: guess some people don't like hazel nuts, but if you do,
Speaker 1: you gotta go that route. Well, I'm allergic to walnuts,
Speaker 1: so hazel nuts sound great. Perfect. Um. We also wanted
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about community fridges because I
Speaker 1: know that you were kind of interested in starting one. Um,
Speaker 1: did you ever manage to get that going? Yeah? So
Speaker 1: we did. Um, two friends and I just started doing it.
Speaker 1: On our own and we're just sort of calling around,
Speaker 1: cold calling establishments in our neighborhood. Um. We partnered together
Speaker 1: because we all live really close to each other. And
Speaker 1: then we found a place, um, a wine bar um
Speaker 1: nearby to where we live, in a neighborhood called Virgil
Speaker 1: Village UM, and they were open to doing it, and
Speaker 1: we partnered with a group, and it took a while
Speaker 1: to actually make it happen. But now the refrigerator is
Speaker 1: there and exists and it's feeding people. Can you explain
Speaker 1: the concept of the community of fridge for people who
Speaker 1: might not be familiar with it. Yeah, it's basically just
Speaker 1: a refrigerator that's in a public space that anyone can
Speaker 1: put food in and take food out of. Oh night,
Speaker 1: like a food library kind of exactly. Yeah. A lot
Speaker 1: of people compare it to a little libraries. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's awesome. So, like I've read that there have been
Speaker 1: some weird, kind of bureaucratic hang ups with these. They
Speaker 1: started in New York. I think, um by a group
Speaker 1: a New World in our Hearts. UM. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that was the first one ever, probably not, but
Speaker 1: definitely kind of inspired the l A movement of community fridges. Um,
Speaker 1: but there was one in competent I think that only
Speaker 1: lasted two weeks. I think this was an l aist
Speaker 1: report by Lillian Kalish and um it was basically like
Speaker 1: the person who installed it was named Canny Web And
Speaker 1: the city first started complaining that this violated property maintenance
Speaker 1: and electrical codes because so when you contacted the wine bar,
Speaker 1: that was to get the electrical source for the fridge
Speaker 1: right and to put it on their proper pretty so
Speaker 1: those two things. Yeah, Um, I think the electricity probably well,
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but that's like an expensive part
Speaker 1: of it. Especially I think in Los Angeles week it's
Speaker 1: a lot hotter than it does. There's like a ton
Speaker 1: of them in Oakland, and I don't think they have
Speaker 1: the same heat concerns that we do, because it must
Speaker 1: have to be constantly like super running on super high
Speaker 1: just to like combat the fact that it's outdoors in
Speaker 1: exact degree. And people who are more organized and have
Speaker 1: more resources have actually started building little sheds around the refrigerators.
Speaker 1: I think to cut down on how much energy needs
Speaker 1: to be used. Oh that's smart, and you could also
Speaker 1: if you did that, I mean, then you can start
Speaker 1: daydreaming that it would be possible to do like a
Speaker 1: full community kitchen, which would be nice as well, but
Speaker 1: exactly and would instantly get shut down as well. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the content one. Um, they said that the person who
Speaker 1: would installed it here she had to install a latch,
Speaker 1: a safety latch on the outside so that it could
Speaker 1: be locked. And then once they installed the latch, then
Speaker 1: they were notified that they had violated the safety code
Speaker 1: that wires all fridges on the street to like not
Speaker 1: have doors because of something we've talked about on this podcast,
Speaker 1: which was the Punky Brewster episode that featured the being
Speaker 1: trapped in a fridge scare, which I guess was a
Speaker 1: real thing. Yeah, I mean, it seems like it's such
Speaker 1: a great idea, and I know, um, I think CNN
Speaker 1: may have reported on this recently that food insecurity is
Speaker 1: for obvious reasons just such it's like just blowing up
Speaker 1: and so many more people are food insecure. But the
Speaker 1: city Molly brought to my attention that like l a
Speaker 1: p D had been trying to like seize or shut
Speaker 1: down a lot of these fridges. Yeah, I saw that
Speaker 1: the Highland Park one got shut down. Um, they've you
Speaker 1: know were sited for violating some code or something. But
Speaker 1: I think with Catherine was saying, it's like if you
Speaker 1: get business to host it, I believe that is more legit.
Speaker 1: But I also think they're just trying to figure out
Speaker 1: ways to shut this down because they hate when we
Speaker 1: have nice things. Yeah, exactly, it doesn't matter um who
Speaker 1: host it. I don't think. And I think that really
Speaker 1: the fridges are sort of acting outside of laws and legislation.
Speaker 1: Like I think that the ones that have been shut down,
Speaker 1: health department officials or whoever had to work really hard
Speaker 1: to find a way to shut it down. It's just
Speaker 1: like there's no legislation around these community fridges yet. But
Speaker 1: I do think that it is probably a good idea
Speaker 1: to have them off the sidewalk, both so that they
Speaker 1: don't attract official attention and also I think for accessibility issues,
Speaker 1: don't don't block sidewalk. Yeah, we're very anti scooter for
Speaker 1: that reason. Yes, I agreed. I think also like an issue,
Speaker 1: and we're going to see this more and more, you know,
Speaker 1: like Hurricane Laura just came through, like Texas and Louisiana.
Speaker 1: Like on top of the like food security that is
Speaker 1: happening for economic reasons and for COVID reasons, like there
Speaker 1: are going to be more and more natural disaster related
Speaker 1: food and security situations. I was just I'm in Iowa
Speaker 1: right now. I went and worked for a little bit
Speaker 1: at a very very ad hoc kind of would bank
Speaker 1: um that was being put together because a ton of
Speaker 1: people there hadn't had power for two weeks and all
Speaker 1: of their food went bad. And so like, if you
Speaker 1: already had a system set up like a m a
Speaker 1: community fridge, or you know, just a kind of mutual
Speaker 1: like a public mutual aid type situation, then you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have to scramble to put that kind of thing together.
Speaker 1: It could be in place, and like people would know
Speaker 1: what to do and where to go, because I think
Speaker 1: like half of it is putting it together and half
Speaker 1: of it is getting the word out so people know
Speaker 1: that they can access those resources. Yeah, that makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. Um. It kind of reminded me the
Speaker 1: community fridges of one of the things that I now
Speaker 1: look back fondly on from the beginning of quarantine, where
Speaker 1: everyone was really not going to the store and there
Speaker 1: were a lot of major shortages where um and also
Speaker 1: when Molly lost her cat, like neighbors were kind of
Speaker 1: talking to each other. Not to use the next door
Speaker 1: motto like when neighbors talk, good things happen, but like
Speaker 1: I was genuinely bar growing sugar and flour and stuff
Speaker 1: from my neighbors, and the community fridge kind of seems
Speaker 1: like a natural extension of that, and and kind of
Speaker 1: maybe a way to get something good out of a
Speaker 1: truly awful experience, to just be able to recognize, like
Speaker 1: you know, the need and the surplus and like how
Speaker 1: those things can exist next door to each other. But
Speaker 1: I'm also curious, have you encountered anybody who's been against
Speaker 1: the fridge, Like, do you have any fridge haters? No,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say anyone who's actively against it. It was
Speaker 1: just like a lot of the businesses that we contacted,
Speaker 1: so this is a really good idea, but we can't
Speaker 1: do it here. And I think in a lot of
Speaker 1: cases it was like they don't want to do it
Speaker 1: there for so many reasons. Um, we actually have insurance.
Speaker 1: There's an organization called Fridge that offers insurance for these
Speaker 1: public fridges, so technically that shouldn't be an issue. And
Speaker 1: when I say that, I kind of like get ignored.
Speaker 1: I think they just don't. I mean, and I kind
Speaker 1: of understand people getting nervous about people gathering at their
Speaker 1: business to not you know, patronize the rein so but um, yeah,
Speaker 1: no one. I don't think anyone is actively against them,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people are just kind of hesitant
Speaker 1: to get involved. That makes sense. I saw that there
Speaker 1: was one that was opening up in Eagle Rock also,
Speaker 1: just as of a couple of days ago. I think
Speaker 1: Molly may have seen that too. Um, But I was cured.
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder, how you know how quickly
Speaker 1: these are going to pop up versus how quickly they're
Speaker 1: getting dismantled. It's kind of nice to hear that it's
Speaker 1: a more complicated process to get them taken down, that
Speaker 1: it's hard to find those codes that they're violating. Um.
Speaker 1: And also that people are willing to kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, install a latch if they're supposed to install
Speaker 1: a latch, take the latch off if they're not allowed
Speaker 1: to have it. Um. But I wonder how people, if
Speaker 1: they're interested in joining this project can kind of get involved.
Speaker 1: And like, is there a hub in l A, Like
Speaker 1: is there a website that people can check out if
Speaker 1: they want to propose a community fridge in their neighborhood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's a couple of different ways of doing it.
Speaker 1: You can definitely just do it yourself, that is like
Speaker 1: one of the options. Um, But I do think it's
Speaker 1: probably important to think about how much work the are
Speaker 1: going to take. Um. So joining an organization is probably
Speaker 1: great just for having other people on the cleaning schedule,
Speaker 1: and I do think a cleaning schedule is important. There's
Speaker 1: the one that I'm working with is called the People's Bodega.
Speaker 1: They actually started with kind of like a different idea.
Speaker 1: They're more about support at the marches, but they kind
Speaker 1: of pivoted to the refrigerators as well. The big one
Speaker 1: is l A Community Fridges, which I'm not involved with,
Speaker 1: but apparently like they are run like the military, and
Speaker 1: I mean that in like the good organized way, and
Speaker 1: like there's like slack notices that go off. There's like
Speaker 1: a public like volunteer schedule and everyone has to report
Speaker 1: in that they've done their volunteer time and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So that one's probably for people who
Speaker 1: just want to, like I don't want to do all
Speaker 1: the work of trying to find a place for a fridge,
Speaker 1: because that is the annoying part of it. I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like there is so much opportunity
Speaker 1: to kind of rethink the way that we all take
Speaker 1: care of each other as a community. And when this
Speaker 1: project started, I believe the New York I think it
Speaker 1: started in New York, and maybe it started everywhere at
Speaker 1: the same time. The People's Bodega started in New York, right, Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I think so. Actually, like there's People's Bedega and then
Speaker 1: there's People's Bedega n y C. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if they just they're joined together now. I don't know
Speaker 1: how that started. But yeah, the community fridges are like
Speaker 1: ten years old, like as a concept as we know
Speaker 1: it now, but definitely when they started around ten years
Speaker 1: ago and it was mostly in Europe, it was way
Speaker 1: more about food waste, combating food waste, and I think
Speaker 1: that like during COVID it's switched and food waste is
Speaker 1: usually written as one of the reasons for doing it,
Speaker 1: but I think it's definitely about people getting enough food. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it it definitely feels like it is in the
Speaker 1: tradition or inspired by the Black Panthers Breakfast program completely,
Speaker 1: which was, you know, a community program to provide free
Speaker 1: breakfast for everybody in a neighborhood that sort of acknowledges
Speaker 1: you know, food and security and other things that the
Speaker 1: government that's not really dealing with. And I believe that
Speaker 1: also was you know, they tried to find ways to
Speaker 1: criminalize that, um, even though you should be able to
Speaker 1: feed people for free. Yeah, it definitely has a lot
Speaker 1: of similarities. I think a lot less organized than the
Speaker 1: Black Panthers were, Like they had a point from the start,
Speaker 1: whereas I think when the fridges first started, both at
Speaker 1: the beginning and now during COVID, it was kind of
Speaker 1: ad hoc and just like we'll try it out. But
Speaker 1: it is, like I said, with l A community fridges,
Speaker 1: it's becoming pretty organized. One of the things it was
Speaker 1: a long time ago. Katherine. But on your Instagram, I remember, um,
Speaker 1: you had a post discussing businesses that don't take cash.
Speaker 1: I will not name the restaurant. It's it's a very
Speaker 1: interesting topic for me. Named the restaurant. No, I don't
Speaker 1: want to because because people were so mean to me
Speaker 1: for and you know, my point in that post was
Speaker 1: actually I wish that the journalists um, were writing about
Speaker 1: this restaurant, UM in the sense of the neighborhood that
Speaker 1: it's in and the fact that it doesn't accept cash,
Speaker 1: And then the people who got mad at me, I
Speaker 1: don't think are very intelligent people, but it was still
Speaker 1: really a hard couple of days to be screamed at constantly.
Speaker 1: It's weird because it too, I mean, you can be
Speaker 1: kind of like, well, I understand why a business would
Speaker 1: decide to not have not accept cash, and to also
Speaker 1: acknowledge the fact that that's wrong, you know, for a
Speaker 1: number of more important reasons. Yeah, I didn't think that
Speaker 1: it was weird to say that it's classist because it
Speaker 1: is classiest because a lot of people don't have bank
Speaker 1: accounts and so they don't have plastic they can only
Speaker 1: pay with cash. And I do think that, um, you know,
Speaker 1: everyone's becoming more socially aware and that's so good. UM.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if people who took offense at the
Speaker 1: idea of it being classes last year would maybe still
Speaker 1: feel the same way this year. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: there's there are a few businesses in my neighborhood that
Speaker 1: are cashless and we're called out um on social media
Speaker 1: and the engagement was really interesting because the business is
Speaker 1: a lot of the businesses are pretty like socially aware
Speaker 1: and they were just like we've been robbed too many times,
Speaker 1: like the insurance blah blah blah. But it's hard because
Speaker 1: a lot of the neighborhoods that are cash less are
Speaker 1: really like, you know, the kind of weird l a
Speaker 1: awful gentrified mix of like these old residents, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of on housed people and then these newcomers
Speaker 1: who are like just paying with the chip. And you
Speaker 1: can feel the tension there, and it felt like the
Speaker 1: tension was kind of playing out in that conversation in
Speaker 1: an interesting way. And I think it seems as though
Speaker 1: like food journalists are also very split on the issue,
Speaker 1: at least from your post about it. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: wonder kind of how that would be tackled now, And
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's something that when you cover a
Speaker 1: restaurant that is cash less, like you should feel compelled
Speaker 1: to kind of get into that a little bit in
Speaker 1: the coverage. Yeah, I think it's an interesting data point
Speaker 1: kind of the way that you would talk about anything
Speaker 1: else having to do with a restaurant, and actually your
Speaker 1: point ties in perfectly because as we put our fridge
Speaker 1: in the parking lot between a little grocer called Ricks
Speaker 1: Produce and a wine bar called Melody and Melody Um
Speaker 1: is often listed as one of the gentrifiers of Virgil Village.
Speaker 1: I mean it is in a lot of ways, but
Speaker 1: it's brought up a lot of um conversation about what
Speaker 1: being a gentrifier means exactly and exactly who is a gentrifier.
Speaker 1: If you are a renter, can you be a gentrifier
Speaker 1: or is it actually the real estate developers and the
Speaker 1: landlords who are gentrifiers. Obviously I just gave my own
Speaker 1: opinion away. Yeah, but it is like interesting to see
Speaker 1: people's reaction like to Melody, you know, providing the electricity
Speaker 1: for for this refrigerator and being like, oh, that's cool
Speaker 1: that they're doing that, versus like, oh, that's just performative.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. They're still horrible. Well, it seems like
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of discussion about Virtual Village, specifically recently,
Speaker 1: because it is this kind of corridor that was a
Speaker 1: lot of like Central American groceries and UM has been
Speaker 1: gentrifying for the past ten years. And then of course
Speaker 1: there was the squirrel mole jam scandal. Yeah, the anchor
Speaker 1: of the Virgil Village gentrification wave like got completely disrupted.
Speaker 1: I just think it's like funny to compare to think
Speaker 1: about that in the context of these fridges. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, the fearmongering over the fridges, It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: what if their food goes bad in there? And it's
Speaker 1: like the food is going bad in the restaurants that
Speaker 1: you're like paying for having it on toast for That's
Speaker 1: such a good point. Didn't you write about this recently
Speaker 1: about like you didn't get food poisoning from where you
Speaker 1: think you got food poisoning from. Yeah, I did. How
Speaker 1: people think that they know where they got food poisoning from.
Speaker 1: But the actual um, the time between eating something that
Speaker 1: poisons you and then actually getting sick can vary from
Speaker 1: like three hours to twenty eight days depending, Yeah, seriously,
Speaker 1: And it depends on like what kind of bacteria you ingested,
Speaker 1: your own personal um immune system. That there's a lot
Speaker 1: that goes into it. And yeah, because people said that
Speaker 1: they never got sick from squirrel and I was like, maybe,
Speaker 1: but maybe they did and we'll never know. That's the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean also with the l al fresco thing
Speaker 1: where they're putting tables and chairs on the sidewalk. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: that's also blocking the sidewalk for food reasons, So why
Speaker 1: would anyone care if a fridge isn't even blocking anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some people really don't like it when other people try
Speaker 1: and help each other. They sure don't, especially the people
Speaker 1: who have all the stuff and don't need anything. Seemingly
Speaker 1: are the ones who don't want other people having community. Well,
Speaker 1: one of the things that strange is I've seen, um,
Speaker 1: just like anecdotally that some of the people who are
Speaker 1: objecting to the fridges are just like there, it's like
Speaker 1: a germ vector. How can you be sure that this
Speaker 1: stuff is clean? It's like, well, then a don't use it.
Speaker 1: But also if you go to like Bristol Farms or
Speaker 1: Gellson's and you're paying nine dollars for a bag of grapes, like,
Speaker 1: chances are those have fallen on the floor and just
Speaker 1: been put right back. Millions of people come by and
Speaker 1: touch them. Like the the idea that something would the
Speaker 1: myth of grocery stores, like the they're clean or something
Speaker 1: like the half of the work of of a grocery
Speaker 1: store of like an American grocery stores to create this
Speaker 1: illusion of plentitude and cleanliness that is like not at
Speaker 1: all necessarily the case, and often even if it is,
Speaker 1: it results in tons and tons of food waste, like
Speaker 1: like there's so so much food waste just at the
Speaker 1: grocery store level, um, before you bring it into your
Speaker 1: house and then don't eat half of the stuff you
Speaker 1: get Like yeah that And I think people a lot
Speaker 1: of people because they're used to they're used to patronize
Speaker 1: in the grocery store just like assume that it is
Speaker 1: like normal and good and clean and uh efficient, um,
Speaker 1: and grocery stores. Yeah, there there are like laws against
Speaker 1: grocery stores distributing food that they have to throw out,
Speaker 1: and then there's laws against dumpstering, which again I feel
Speaker 1: like if you want to eat food out of a
Speaker 1: dumpster and you know the risk, it should be fine.
Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, whenever I worked at grocery stores,
Speaker 1: just like, you throw so much stuff away that isn't
Speaker 1: necessarily bad. When I was in high school, I worked
Speaker 1: for a bakery that um gave everything away at the
Speaker 1: end of the day that hadn't been sold. They just
Speaker 1: did it every day. Some guy came to the back
Speaker 1: door and we just handed him whatever hadn't been sold.
Speaker 1: And I wonder it was in l A. So maybe
Speaker 1: like the regulations were more liberal um where this was.
Speaker 1: But I also kind of feel like sometimes honestly, it's
Speaker 1: best to just do a thing, and if you're told
Speaker 1: five years later, oh, actually there's regulations against that, you
Speaker 1: can be like, oh, I'll stop, But why wouldn't you
Speaker 1: just give food away or put a fridge in somewhere?
Speaker 1: And because like I was saying, the refridges aren't illegal,
Speaker 1: they just aren't addressed yet by laws, So do it right.
Speaker 1: And it's like like Silicon Valley's whole business model is
Speaker 1: like finding a loophole of something that's not illegal yet
Speaker 1: and doing it. And their model is obviously very exploitative
Speaker 1: and based on exploiting workers, but it's like finding things
Speaker 1: that aren't illegal that just are helpful and good and
Speaker 1: then they try to criminalize it seems insane. It does. Um.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, Catherine also because um,
Speaker 1: we we've talked I think on the podcast about l
Speaker 1: A Weekly and how it's changed and everything, But do
Speaker 1: you have any um, like favorite kind of places that
Speaker 1: have that have taken that over doing like really good
Speaker 1: food reporting on a local level. And do you have
Speaker 1: any recommendations where people can look into that stuff besides
Speaker 1: smart Mouth No? Um, Like, yeah, you have to kind
Speaker 1: of search them out. But there are a lot of
Speaker 1: food writers during newsletters like I am too. So if
Speaker 1: you just start following food people on Twitter, you'll quickly
Speaker 1: find out who all is doing the newsletters. There's also, um,
Speaker 1: there are people doing I think when Instagram first started
Speaker 1: and like food instagramming, like we all know what the
Speaker 1: stereotype of it is, but there are people like writing
Speaker 1: longer captions and doing more thoughtful work. Um, there's like
Speaker 1: l A Taco obviously covers of places yeah that wouldn't
Speaker 1: be covered necessarily by the l A Times, etcetera. There's
Speaker 1: another one. Um, I feel like I'm getting the name wrong.
Speaker 1: I think it's called We Like l A. Is that
Speaker 1: what you know that? It's okay? Yeah, I think we
Speaker 1: like l As definitely. I Yeah, I always wonder because
Speaker 1: I know I've been I follow like all of the
Speaker 1: social media accounts of like my my local like little restaurants,
Speaker 1: and I get super stressed. I think Casita del Campo
Speaker 1: maybe was recently like featured in some kind of thing
Speaker 1: where they talked about how how business had suffered and
Speaker 1: they were worried about closing. Um. And so I'm curious
Speaker 1: how we can kind of like prop up our favorite
Speaker 1: teeny tiny little restaurants and stuff like that, um right now,
Speaker 1: because it seems as though for a long time, for
Speaker 1: for the first few months of the quarantine and everything,
Speaker 1: it seemed as though there was a lot more hope
Speaker 1: that you know, there'd be more assistance um to the
Speaker 1: small restaurants and small businesses. And now you can just
Speaker 1: kind of feel the shift in the outlook. Uh. And
Speaker 1: it's so awful. Um. So if you have any favorite
Speaker 1: l A places that you're concerned about that you want
Speaker 1: people to check out that are good, let's hear. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: let's see what restaurants do I like. I like um
Speaker 1: Love to Eat, which is tie in Hollywood, Um, Ruined
Speaker 1: pair Love Love to Eat. It's so good, it's so good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you get there? Everything? I'm not like just
Speaker 1: like go nuts. The menu is huge, Like take two
Speaker 1: months and go through the whole menu and try absolutely everything. Um.
Speaker 1: Another one in Thai Town called Ruined pair, which is
Speaker 1: really good. Um, I love Desuo Pizza, but I know
Speaker 1: that they have at least one other location. I think
Speaker 1: in cam it does, so I don't know if it
Speaker 1: counts as a small They were yeah there, that was
Speaker 1: like the after school pizza place, um, last two years
Speaker 1: ago for for my family, that's like a really good
Speaker 1: after school pizza place. That yeah, it was a quick walk,
Speaker 1: was the only reason. And then I was like, this
Speaker 1: is great. Yeah, I think that everybody should. Um, if
Speaker 1: you have social media, you might as well like advertise
Speaker 1: like your favorite restaurants too, Like even if you're not
Speaker 1: like a food person, put it in your Instagram stories
Speaker 1: or whatever, just say it. But I also, I'm sure
Speaker 1: I know not everyone who loves food agrees with me,
Speaker 1: but I do feel like it's really important to not
Speaker 1: dine in. Yes, I think workers are in a really
Speaker 1: difficult position because obviously we all know they need money,
Speaker 1: but the government is not going to give it to them,
Speaker 1: so they have to keep working. And having spoken at
Speaker 1: length with a lot of restaurant workers, they don't actually
Speaker 1: want to be there, like it's scary. So just order
Speaker 1: take out no totally and tip generously. Yeah, like the
Speaker 1: al fresco thing where it was like, well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: let restaurants reopen in this limited fashion where we let
Speaker 1: them have outdoor seating, just the whole thing, but forcing
Speaker 1: them to reopen. It's like somebody was talking about this yesterday.
Speaker 1: They were like, I is this an open and shut case?
Speaker 1: Like should restaurants be open or closed? And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: they should be closed, and the government should be paying
Speaker 1: them to stay closed and be paying the workers and
Speaker 1: bailing out small businesses the way they bailed out like
Speaker 1: cruise ships and airlines and stuff like that exactly. And
Speaker 1: I have heard some people say they're worried that only
Speaker 1: ordering takeout will mean that people will lose their jobs,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that's true if for no other
Speaker 1: reason that every restaurant worker I've talked to you says
Speaker 1: that their job responsibilities have shifted, Like everyone's just movement
Speaker 1: is doing slightly different stuff as needed now. And I
Speaker 1: feel like when you when you pick up food in person,
Speaker 1: you can tip yep. Yeah. I mean I've been going
Speaker 1: to UM just because it's nearby, and they were doing
Speaker 1: bags of produce that were me sized as a solo
Speaker 1: quarantine er. I didn't have to get like a big
Speaker 1: CSA box, but Little Dom's was doing like a nice
Speaker 1: small um produce bag, and so I was kind of
Speaker 1: going there regularly because I would get that and then
Speaker 1: I would like, you know, maybe get some eggs for
Speaker 1: more than I would normally pay for eggs. But I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm doing this instead of going
Speaker 1: to the grocery store, so and I'm not eating, Like
Speaker 1: my entire eating out budget is like freed up now,
Speaker 1: so um, I can do this. And then like after
Speaker 1: a while, I got some note in my bag that
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you know, we've been doing this thing
Speaker 1: for a while. We were able to hire back, like
Speaker 1: I don't remember, it was like five to ten of
Speaker 1: their employees that they had put on furlough or something,
Speaker 1: and so it's like, yeah, this stuff it does make
Speaker 1: a difference. And like, you know, choosing where to to
Speaker 1: spend your money and where to you know, to invest
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood businesses that you like, it can make
Speaker 1: a big difference. I think. Yeah. Corina long Worth from
Speaker 1: End of Night Call had a good post the other
Speaker 1: day to where she was like, um, I'm worried about
Speaker 1: the small places, you know, she was like, everybody knows
Speaker 1: that like places like John and Vinnie's or whatever, we'll
Speaker 1: like get bailed out and you know, have investors no
Speaker 1: matter what. But you know, she was talking specifically about
Speaker 1: like small Italian red sauce places that you know have
Speaker 1: been here since the fifties, that you know, are part
Speaker 1: of what makes l a great um and a great
Speaker 1: place to live. And I was saying, like Thai Town,
Speaker 1: you know, is you mentioned a couple of places in
Speaker 1: Thai Town, but like Thai Town has you know, some
Speaker 1: of the best food in l A and is a
Speaker 1: place I'm always worried about gentrifying because it's right next
Speaker 1: to Hollywood, and you know, it's a relatively recent um enclave.
Speaker 1: So I definitely encourage everybody to support like especially you know,
Speaker 1: ethnic enclave neighborhoods, especially Asian restaurant I believe how to
Speaker 1: lost business when COVID first started because of racism. So
Speaker 1: you know, support places in the San Gabriel Valley, support
Speaker 1: Korea Town. Yeah, because didn't Tai Fung in Arcadia closed? Well,
Speaker 1: didn't Tai Fung is an international change, I know, but
Speaker 1: I was shocked. I was like the fact that this
Speaker 1: is affecting Din'tai Fung of all places, is really unexpected
Speaker 1: to me. I think one thing that like I feel
Speaker 1: like I truly know nothing about is what to assume
Speaker 1: is more at risk restaurant wise, because a lot of
Speaker 1: times it feels like it's not the places you would expect.
Speaker 1: Like when I heard the thing about Didn'tai Fung, I
Speaker 1: was actually I was quite shocked, and you would think, oh,
Speaker 1: it has this whole you know, international business round, like
Speaker 1: you know, they could you know, hopefully buffer it from
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And I do think that, like
Speaker 1: you know, not that I'm most worried about them, but
Speaker 1: I do think that like the john and Binneys of
Speaker 1: the world aren't necessarily they don't have the biggest um margins.
Speaker 1: Like I don't think that those places are necessarily like
Speaker 1: a lot of those sort of fancy, trendy places in
Speaker 1: l A that I don't even go too normally um
Speaker 1: have shut down just because they're not really working with
Speaker 1: that much of a margin there. That's true. I think
Speaker 1: it then becomes just you know, if they go away,
Speaker 1: can they come back? Versus the smaller places. But I
Speaker 1: mean it is it's surprising what survives and what doesn't. Um,
Speaker 1: I was always dunking on this one restaurant, but I
Speaker 1: continued to go That's in Low Steel is that I found. Uh.
Speaker 1: I liked their food, but I found it very overpriced
Speaker 1: and I took strong offense to their decore this podcast. Okay,
Speaker 1: you we know when you're talking about they, they're they're
Speaker 1: the ones who are down to clown Does everybody? Does
Speaker 1: everybody have one restaurant they'd like to recommend for people
Speaker 1: to get take out from. Well, but wait before we
Speaker 1: say that, let me just say that they've they've done
Speaker 1: such a good job of taking care of their workers. Um,
Speaker 1: since they've been take out only, they're really strict about
Speaker 1: having everyone wear a mask, and their takeout is like
Speaker 1: they have really high standards for the takeout. They obviously
Speaker 1: really care about food. So I'm just gonna go on
Speaker 1: the record and say, even though I never named them
Speaker 1: and I'm not naming them now, that I forgive them
Speaker 1: and I support them. Um, And it was nice because
Speaker 1: we'll call it Los Fieleas t g I Fridays or
Speaker 1: code Flair. Nice. But yeah, let's favorite places to get
Speaker 1: take out I'd love to hear about as well. But
Speaker 1: I just had to say I'm sorry, I was wrong.
Speaker 1: I misjudged them. They had a lot of chokes and
Speaker 1: they just didn't like it. But now I don't have
Speaker 1: to look at the chute. I want to plug Zen
Speaker 1: May in Chinatown, which is my favorite, like American Chinese
Speaker 1: place in Chinatown. Uh really good, just everything. Check it out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would echo the love to Eat recommendation from Catherine.
Speaker 1: That has been my go to a lot, just because
Speaker 1: I'll usually order like two dinners so I can have
Speaker 1: something later on. Um. And the crab fried rice is
Speaker 1: like a big goat to there that is uh um,
Speaker 1: a lot of food and it's delicious. I love I
Speaker 1: love a crab fried rice in general, and they do
Speaker 1: it very very well there. Um. And there's a whole
Speaker 1: Um also. I learned in in in ordering take out
Speaker 1: from them because I hadn't done that before. There's a
Speaker 1: whole Um like app that is specifically for a lot
Speaker 1: of the Thai restaurants in l A. And I don't
Speaker 1: really know what the deal with it is, but it
Speaker 1: seems like they figured out, like a lot of these
Speaker 1: restaurants team together to have a different platform to work
Speaker 1: on that's not like seamless or door dash or whatever,
Speaker 1: which you know, I was happy to learn about. I
Speaker 1: hope that it it is better for their employees and
Speaker 1: stuff to to use that um to use that alternate app.
Speaker 1: But that was cool, nice, Katherine. Do you have any
Speaker 1: favorite takeout spots to plug besides the ones that you've listed,
Speaker 1: anyone you're you're worried about and you want to throw
Speaker 1: them at a support I'm worried about all of them.
Speaker 1: I feel like I can't even like my brain is
Speaker 1: filled with so many names right now, I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take a slightly different tech and kind of to
Speaker 1: Emily's point, call the restaurant. Any restaurant're ordering delivery or
Speaker 1: take out from, call them directly first and see if
Speaker 1: they'll do delivery directly. They won't always do it, but
Speaker 1: just see if they will, because if they do, they
Speaker 1: get more money off of your order. And if they don't,
Speaker 1: if enough people call them and ask them, maybe they
Speaker 1: will start doing their own delivery. Yeah, and if you
Speaker 1: can go pick it up in person, then you don't
Speaker 1: have to screw over a door dash or seamless person
Speaker 1: who we all know are getting super exploited and underpaid
Speaker 1: during this time. If you can go in in person
Speaker 1: and leave a tip in a tip jar, that's probably ideal. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well I think that's it. So, Katherine, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us. Where can people find you on
Speaker 1: social media? Oh? Um, let's see on Instagram at smart
Speaker 1: Mouth podcast and my personal one at Katherine Underscore Spires
Speaker 1: and then on Twitter at Katherine Spires. I never use
Speaker 1: a podcast one and yeah. The podcast is called smart Mouth,
Speaker 1: which is two words and um. The newsletter is at
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