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Speaker 1: Welcome to Boomberg Television. I'm Ann Reherder and alongside Joe Matthew,

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Speaker 1: and we were pleased to have joining us now the

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Speaker 1: former South Carolina governor and u N Ambassador NICKI Haley, Ambassador,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time this morning. The

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal editorial board is leading with this. Most

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Speaker 1: GOP voters who aren't in Iowa or New Hampshire are

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Speaker 1: only getting to know these candidates, and Miss Haley may

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Speaker 1: have been the most pleasant surprise. How are you feeling

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Speaker 1: this morning? What have your overnight fundraising numbers looked like?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's more where that came from. So the Wall

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Speaker 2: Street Journal needs to get ready. But you know, it's

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Speaker 2: great when you can be on a debate stage and

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Speaker 2: allow everybody to see their options for who's going to

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Speaker 2: lead the country going forward. I think it's a good time.

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Speaker 2: This is the start of the debate season. We think

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Speaker 2: we did really well. We're seeing that we're getting support.

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Speaker 2: It hasn't stopped since the debate was over last night,

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Speaker 2: all the way into this morning, and we welcome it.

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Speaker 3: I hope your viewers will go to Nicki Haley dot com.

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Speaker 2: But I think what's really important is we have to

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Speaker 2: focus on the issues at hand.

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Speaker 3: How do we get inflation down?

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Speaker 2: Too many families can't afford groceries, they can't afford their rent,

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Speaker 2: they can't afford gas, they can't afford childcare. Fifty percent

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Speaker 2: of American families can't pay for diapers, and one in

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Speaker 2: six American families can't pay their utility bill. And while

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Speaker 2: everybody would love to say, oh, Biden did that to us,

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Speaker 2: we have to remember our Republicans did that to us

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Speaker 2: as well. And that's why I called out Tim Scott,

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Speaker 2: and Ron DeSantis and Mike Pens and Donald Trump for

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Speaker 2: the spending like drunken sailors and raising the debt limit.

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Speaker 2: I think it's time that we start to really make

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Speaker 2: sure we get our fiscal sanity in order.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a big moment for you last night,

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Speaker 4: calling out not only Democrats but members of your own

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Speaker 4: party on that debate stage and here in Washington, Ambassador,

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Speaker 4: as you pointed out, specifically, the Trump administration added eight

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Speaker 4: trillion dollars to our debts. So let's be specific today

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Speaker 4: on Bloomberg, the third rail that nobody wants to touch

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Speaker 4: is the entitlement Social Security Medicare. How would you manage

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Speaker 4: the entitlements to try to start getting our arms around

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Speaker 4: soaring debt.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, you've got multiple candidates on that stage

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Speaker 2: that said they wouldn't touch entitlements, including Trump, and any

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Speaker 2: candidate that says they're not going to touch entitlements means

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Speaker 2: that they're basically going to go into the go into office,

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Speaker 2: and then leave America bankrupt. Social Security is going to

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Speaker 2: go bankrupt in ten years, Medicare is going to go

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Speaker 2: bankrupt in eight. So the way we deal with it

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Speaker 2: is we don't touch anyone's retirement or anyone who's been

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Speaker 2: promised in but we go to people like my kids

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Speaker 2: in their twenties when they're coming into the system and

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Speaker 2: we say the rules have changed. We change retirement age

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Speaker 2: to reflect life expectancy instead of cost of living increases.

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Speaker 2: We do it based on inflation. We limit the benefits

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Speaker 4: What's the right age there that Investador.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we have to do the numbers. We've

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Speaker 2: got to figure out what it is. But what we

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Speaker 2: do know is sixty five is way too low and

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Speaker 2: we need to increase that.

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Speaker 3: We need to do it according to Life Expectancy.

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Speaker 4: You raised your hand last night when asked if you

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Speaker 4: would support the Republican nominee. Of course if that ended

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Speaker 4: up being someone else. I know you're running for president here,

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Speaker 4: but if Donald Trump was responsible for adding eight trillion

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Speaker 4: dollars to the national debt, how could you support him

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Speaker 4: again for another administration?

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I don't think Donald Trump's going

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Speaker 2: the nomination. And secondly, I think that we have to

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Speaker 2: focus on the fact that anybody is better than a

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Speaker 2: president Kamala Harris. I mean, you look at the socialism

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Speaker 2: creep that Biden and Harris have gotten us into, whether

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Speaker 2: it's the Chips Act, whether it's Inflation Reduction Act, whether

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Speaker 2: you see all of these subsidies that they are green

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Speaker 2: subsidies that they're doing. They're the ones that have left

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Speaker 2: us into a situation where I don't think our kids

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say that all day long, but I

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Speaker 2: think the American people are smart. I don't think Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump's going to be the winner of the primary. I

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Speaker 2: think I'm going to be the winner of the prime, Mary,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's why we need a new generational

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Speaker 2: conservative leader, because we've got to leave the past and

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Speaker 2: the negativity behind us, and we've got to start focusing

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Speaker 2: on the real problems at hand and start getting things done.

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Speaker 1: When we look at the new generation, the most googled

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Speaker 1: individual today, Ambassador is Vivek Ramaswami. You took issue as

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Speaker 1: foreign policy yesterday as an individual and number one googled

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Speaker 3: Who wants to give Ukrainian.

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Speaker 1: Land back to Russia, something that actually individuals in the

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Speaker 1: Republican base agree with. Kind of taking a playbook from

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Speaker 1: the former president who has called what Putin has done

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine genius and savvy. You chastise mister Rabiswami yesterday,

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Speaker 1: but you worked for the former president. Are both these

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, President Trump used to have it right

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Speaker 2: I was proud to serve with him. Then he's now

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Speaker 2: backtracked now is going into where he's weakened the knees

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Speaker 2: on Russia again. You've got vivid Ramaswami who basically wants

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Speaker 2: to side with a murder over a pro America, freedom

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Speaker 2: loving country. That doesn't make sense. You've got Ramaswami who

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Speaker 2: wants to cut aid to Israel. He doesn't understand that

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Speaker 2: it's not that America needs Israel. It's not that Israel

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Speaker 2: defense for Iran. He wants to feed Taiwan to China.

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Speaker 2: He's missing all the points of You can't be so

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Speaker 2: narcissistic to think America doesn't need allies. We do need allies,

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Speaker 2: and when you have an ally, you take care of them.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's talking about this funding to Ukraine. First of all,

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Speaker 2: I think economic aid should come from the Europeans. But equipment,

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Speaker 2: military ammunition, we should be sending that.

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Speaker 3: And when we send it. Let's keep in mind it

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Speaker 3: is less than.

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Speaker 2: Three and a half percent of our defense budget that

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Speaker 2: has gone to Ukraine. If you look at the percentage

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Speaker 2: of GDP, eleven European countries have paid more than the US.

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Speaker 2: But making sure we have to always know a win

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Speaker 2: for Russia is a win for China, and we can't

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Speaker 2: let that happen.

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Speaker 1: You're saying Trump did get it right at one point,

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Speaker 1: but it was under the Trump administration that withheld millions

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Speaker 1: by Congress. Did they not prepare Kiev well enough for

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Speaker 3: Well? I think that.

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Speaker 2: Look, there was a problem with the fact that I

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Speaker 2: think Trump had two sets of ammunitions that were supposed

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Speaker 2: to go to Ukraine before Russia invaded, and Biden poled

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Speaker 2: it because he didn't want to upset Putin.

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Speaker 3: This war could have been prevented.

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Speaker 2: Biden was slow to the take he didn't act strong enough,

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Speaker 2: and that's what happened. And then you go and you

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Speaker 2: add the Afghanistan debacle. I mean the idea that we

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Speaker 2: with us for decades because we asked them to be there.

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Speaker 3: It was the green light needed.

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Speaker 2: It was the excitement that President She and China got.

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Speaker 2: It's why Ron started building a bomb and North Korea

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Speaker 2: started testing ballistic missiles. When they see weakness, that's when

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Speaker 2: they smell blood in the water, and that's why we

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Speaker 2: saw aggression. We need a strong American president who understands

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Speaker 2: what it takes to keep American safe. And the way

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Speaker 2: you do that is you make sure you defeat Russia

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Speaker 1: The Biden administration at the moment is sending billions of

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Speaker 3: Do not agree with that.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely agree with defending Ukraine, and I agree with

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Speaker 2: good to see and I actually think that it should

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Speaker 2: NATO should go to Ukraine. They've proven that they're good

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Speaker 2: military fighters. And let's keep in mind, Russia has now

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Speaker 2: we continue to expand NATO, and we also need to

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Speaker 2: work with our other allies India, Australia, Japan, South Korea, Israel.

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Speaker 2: We need to start going to the Arab countries. We

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Speaker 4: I have to ask you about an important issue on

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Speaker 4: the campaign trail, Ambassador, that loom large over the midterm

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Speaker 3: And that is abortion.

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Speaker 4: It came up in the debate last night. You've suggested

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Speaker 4: or for that matter, a regulatory bill here in Washington.

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Speaker 4: You made that point last night, but I also I

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Speaker 4: know that your state of South Carolina has put in

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Speaker 4: place a six week minimum. Mike Pence and some others

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Speaker 4: What is you or minimum? What should be, in fact

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Speaker 2: I am unapologetically pro life, not because the Republican Party

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Speaker 2: I am surrounded by blessings. Having said that I don't

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Speaker 2: So I think it was right to send it back

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Speaker 3: I'm happy with that.

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Speaker 2: Other states have chosen other things, but at least the

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Speaker 2: people's voices are being heard. The debate that happened last

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Speaker 2: I think there is a place for a federal law.

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Speaker 2: I think that most Americans, you know.

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Speaker 3: But we have to decide.

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Speaker 2: In order to get a federal law, you have to

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Speaker 2: So we need to come together on consensus. Where is

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Speaker 2: the consensus. Let's agree that we should ban late term abortions.

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Speaker 2: Let's agree that we should encourage more adoptions and good

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Speaker 2: quality adoptions. Let's agree that doctors and nurses who don't

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Speaker 2: that contraception should be accessible, and let's agree that no

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Speaker 1: And Bassaard, thank you for sharing some of your also

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Speaker 1: personal experience with this. Penn says, every candidate, though, should

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Speaker 3: What is your minimum? First of all, let's why put

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Speaker 2: Why put men through this in a way that they're

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Speaker 2: don't have sixty Senate votes, so where is the consensus?

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Speaker 3: We have to figure out. But the American Bank.

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Speaker 1: Want a notion from you, as a woman as well,

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Speaker 3: What is your number?

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I'm for whatever the states decide

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Speaker 2: as possible. Wherever those sixty Senate votes come down, we're

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Speaker 3: But we're not going to divide our country over this issue.

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Speaker 2: We're going to bring our country together and where we

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Speaker 4: We have an honest conversation before we let you go, Ambassador,

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Speaker 4: about Donald Trump. He chose not to attend the debate

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Speaker 4: last night because of his commanding lead in the polls.

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Speaker 4: It's difficult to discount the trajectory here. I know you

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Speaker 4: don't think that he's going to be the nominee, but

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Speaker 4: You said, I will not stop until we fight a

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Speaker 4: man that chooses not to disavow the KKK, referring to

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump. That is not a part of our party.

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Speaker 3: That is not who we are with.

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Speaker 4: That said, your party seems to be in love with

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump. What is your path to the nomination?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I was proud to serve in Donald Trump's

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Speaker 2: is the most disliked politician in America, and the most

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Speaker 2: disliked politician in America can't win a general election. So

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Speaker 2: this was the kickoff to the debate season and to

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Speaker 2: I think there's a big difference on people who support

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Speaker 2: I think people know that we've got new issues, big

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Speaker 2: issues that we need solutions. We can't keep looking to

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Speaker 2: the past. We've got to lead the drama and negativity

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Speaker 2: that's going to focus on what it takes to really

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Speaker 2: get America back on track. I was a two term

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Speaker 2: I didn't deal with one country. I dealt with one

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety three. I'm not a lawyer, I'm an accountant.

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Speaker 2: I think it's time that we get our fiscal house

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Speaker 4: She's fresh off the debate station, whether it's here on Bloomberg,

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Speaker 4: former governor, former ambassador Nikki Haley, we thank you for

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Speaker 4: the time this morning on Bloomberg