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Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: I said, Nandas. Please, Hey boo, it's me Roz and

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Speaker 1: welcome to goos To by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where

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Speaker 1: I talk to people that I like about the paranormal

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Speaker 1: people that you like. Wait a minute, there's Satanist on

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Speaker 1: the show today. That's true. My guests today are known

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Speaker 1: as Twin Temple. Now here's the deal. I think this

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Speaker 1: is the first time in the five years of the

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. It makes me nervous sometimes to

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Speaker 1: publicly align myself with Satanists. I've had a couple of

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Speaker 1: experiences where, you know, these open Satanists want to work

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Speaker 1: get nervous because I know how dumb people are. To

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Speaker 1: But I just I don't I don't want to deal

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Speaker 1: with the people calling me evil and picketing me, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not into that. I personally, it's not for me.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with people threatening me and

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Speaker 1: But these people on the show today are indeed Satanists,

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Speaker 1: and we get into it, we talk about it, and

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Speaker 1: I have met several Satanists and honestly cool people. I

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Speaker 1: what these two are doing. They're a real life married couple.

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Speaker 1: They also are musicians. They're a do wop group, and

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Speaker 1: And they do, indeed get a lot of pushback from

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Speaker 1: they're really cool. They also have ghost stories, which is

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Speaker 1: super fun and oh my god, I almost forgot. It's October,

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Speaker 1: my favorite month. That's also the month of my birthday.

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Speaker 1: My birthday's on the twentieth. But to bring in the

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Speaker 1: Halloween spirit, I think it's perfect that we have these

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Speaker 1: Why I do have my new videos that have been

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Speaker 2: Oh jeez, Louise.

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Speaker 1: Me talking about him again. I don't know. I just

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Speaker 1: wanted you to watch if you want. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: called Ross Hernandez the Haunted Doll on YouTube. And also

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to say real quick that I'm doing

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Speaker 1: some live dates. You can see me on the twenty

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Speaker 1: am doing stand up in Raleigh, and then I'm going

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Speaker 1: And in Seattle I'm doing stand up. So I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed this conversation. I know I did. We had

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Twin Temple.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, thank you for having us.

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Speaker 1: You guys are so cool. You're cool.

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Speaker 2: We're really excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: You're not like, you're not too scary. I mean like

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Speaker 3: I mean we try, but it's working right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't find you guys scary. I think

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Speaker 1: you guys are cool. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I mean I hate to say this, but at this

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Speaker 1: I've never met you guys, but I will say one

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Speaker 3: Oh was it the blood like dripping off our faces?

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Speaker 1: I thought it was weird. You guys have blood dripping

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Speaker 4: No Sunday ritual for sure.

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Speaker 1: But so this is my first time I get to

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Speaker 1: meet you. Nice to meet you you too. So I

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Speaker 1: Well, we have to hear those. I want to just

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Speaker 1: you guys are really Satanists. I mean yes, So how

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Speaker 1: long have you guys been Satanists?

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you want to say the spiel.

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Speaker 3: I mean to us, I don't think it's something that

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Speaker 4: Values, you know, it's kind of just like a way

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Speaker 3: It, I guess, but it's like in your core, Like

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Speaker 3: like shaking things up and rattling the cage. It's really

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Speaker 3: you know, in popular media, Like we've all been kind

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Speaker 1: So I get that. So it's like you at some

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Speaker 3: We discovered the word for like what we are, but

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Speaker 4: But yeah, we fell in the vocabulary.

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Speaker 1: Yes, were you both Satanists before you met each other?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And well, I guess in satanism and like our practice

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Speaker 4: Like we don't do magic to like we don't you know,

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Speaker 4: you know, like practicing Satanism is more of just a

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Speaker 2: Know, so as like the architect of yourself.

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Speaker 1: So are you guys more like Satanic Temple or Church

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Speaker 4: I mean we're kind of all, but none as well.

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Speaker 4: It's like we're our own Satanism. You know. It's like

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Speaker 4: Satanic Temple is primarily a political organization, right, Church of

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Speaker 2: Well, but they do because then they talk about psychodrama,

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Speaker 1: Well, I think like with them, you and if anyone

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely that you know, that's kind of like ours.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of unique to us, you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel like in life, it's like build your own adventure,

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Speaker 1: Sure, why not? But like, okay, when you're as openly

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. We have protesters at the shows last tour.

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Speaker 3: They were like laying it on real thick they had

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Speaker 3: made like they printed banners.

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Speaker 4: Yea, they made some. Well, the beginning of the tour,

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Speaker 1: Was it the same people or.

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Speaker 2: Different group?

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Speaker 4: Sure? So maybe just some groups were better. Presentation was better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they had better.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it started with sharpies Like San Diego showed

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Speaker 1: Not it does not align with that world.

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Speaker 3: And this was not even arts or crafts. This was

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Speaker 2: God is not dead.

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Speaker 3: And I was just like, you know, if you're gonna troll,

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Speaker 3: like bring your egg.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go to like office or go someplace and get a.

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Speaker 2: Second twenty four hour like print.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: end they had banners, they had merched, they had shirts.

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Speaker 2: They looked better.

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Speaker 4: They did look better.

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Speaker 3: But but the truth is they're not even like Christian groups. Really,

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Speaker 3: they're just like anti queer anti like.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm open minded, I'm okay with you expressing who

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Speaker 3: So like that's what bothers me. I cannot stand that.

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Speaker 1: I've got time now, I've got time when it comes

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

441
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: So did you okay, did you both grow up with

442
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: an understanding or a belief in ghosts?

443
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 2: Probably an interest. I remember those scary stories.

444
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: Scary stories of tell in the dark.

445
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I just.

446
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 3: Always loved a good story and anything macabre and like horror,

447
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, I just gravitated towards towards it for sure.

448
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: So when's like the first time either of you feel

449
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: like you may have had one of these experiences.

450
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 4: I would say the most clear cut and dry one

451
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 4: was we took a photo of Grand Parson's ghost.

452
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: Okay, wait a second, this is the place in Joshua Tree.

453
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Joshua Tree Motel.

454
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: I know it. I know exactly the place. Oh have

455
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: you been there? I've never been there. That's okay, that's

456
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: a good idea. I hate staying in haunted hotel rooms.

457
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: Hate it. I've done it all too. But I also

458
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: recently came up with this idea to start a YouTube

459
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: channel where I go and do that for a couple

460
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: of days. That's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one.

461
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: I've stayed near it, but I've never done it. Yeah.

462
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: This was like my birthday and twenty fifth birthday.

463
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

464
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 4: We stayed in the room next to his where Emulu

465
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 4: Harris stayed the night he died.

466
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: Yes, and what's the story with him? I feel like

467
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: I don't know much about Graham. Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell me, uh.

468
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 4: Well, Graham Parsons. He was a country singer, you know,

469
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 4: and he kind of made it hip. You know in

470
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 4: the sixties, late sixties, early seventies, you know, period kind

471
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 4: of helped create this country rock kind of moment in

472
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 4: like Laurel Canyon with other people obviously, like he was

473
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 4: in the Birds, the Band of the Birds for a bit, okay,

474
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 4: and then he went off and started Flying Burrito Brothers,

475
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 4: and then he went solo and had just Grand Parsons.

476
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 4: And that was a period when when he passed finally,

477
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 4: he overdosed drinking and drugging at the Joshua Tree Motel

478
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 4: overdose there.

479
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 3: And we're big fans of cool music, and so you know,

480
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 3: we wanted to get haunted on my birthday.

481
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

482
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we were out there and we.

483
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: Went to and stayed in his hotel room.

484
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, we stayed stayed with friends, and we were out

485
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 4: there around around midnight or so. We were singing his songs,

486
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 4: you know, and just verse believe being like, come on out, Graham,

487
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 4: just inviting them, you know, you want to sing the

488
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 4: song or whatever.

489
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 3: We were drinking, yeah, and then which you know, invite

490
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 3: spirits in, it doesn't sure.

491
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 4: And then you know, her and her friend take a

492
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 4: photo whatever. So I started taking photos.

493
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: Because I think y'all are going to show this photo,

494
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: and so I need to explain this hat.

495
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 4: Okay, you can't even see.

496
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: You can't see it.

497
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 3: I just would hate to think people, you know, would

498
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: think that this was my hat. So this room had

499
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 3: very hobby labby chic decor, like a hat that was

500
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 3: entirely made out of potpourri, you know, like like a

501
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 3: skance like on one of the tables, and I just

502
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: thought it was really funny.

503
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: So you want to make it clear that is not

504
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: yours your.

505
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: I would like might just say I didn't go to

506
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: show my hands and make this head.

507
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: Okay, we're not going to try to ruin your.

508
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 3: Have a reputation to you, pretet. This is the disclaimer

509
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 3: on that photo.

510
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: I understand.

511
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 4: Okay.

512
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, So in order to clear the.

513
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: Viewing of don't you worry.

514
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 3: So I thought this because I am clown, So I

515
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: took the popury hat and everything becomes a hat, you know.

516
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 2: And that's literally was how this photo started.

517
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: It wasn't like we've got a sounds and we are capture.

518
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: Goes evil and spooky.

519
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: It was just like drunk and then Zachli turned ashen gray.

520
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm taking photos of her in front out

521
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 4: of nowhere, like I'm you know, I can kind of

522
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 4: see off my phone camera but also through the phone

523
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 4: and out of nowhere I can't see with my eyes,

524
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 4: but through the phone, I see the shape of like

525
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 4: a head and shoulders literally float through the phone, walk

526
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 4: through the phone, and I'm just snapping away as it happens.

527
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 4: So I get we got one photo. And if you

528
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 4: look at the photo, the light like it sucked all

529
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 4: the light from everywhere, like every light source just got

530
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 4: like put into this figure like it was glowing. Yeah,

531
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 4: and it's got this crazy kind of like white to

532
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 4: blue color, like it's just wild. And I watched him move.

533
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: What's weird?

534
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: Is too for Potpourri privacy, we won't be showing these.

535
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: But the photo before and after is just.

536
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: A normal photo.

537
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

538
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: So like when this photo happened, we got dark and

539
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: this figure.

540
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: You know, sucked it's like all the light.

541
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like glowing as wild.

542
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: You all ready to see it?

543
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Can we see it? Oh my god? What is that? Potpourri?

544
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: I told Jealous, Well, anyone that wants to see this,

545
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: that's ghosted by ros on Instagram.

546
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 4: So but on the top right, so that was like

547
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 4: the head so again like he's already kind of out

548
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 4: of frame. But ye, so the top glow like roundish

549
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 4: glows his head and then if you look down to

550
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 4: the left, that's like the left shoulder, you know, like

551
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 4: if you imagine someone kind of walking through the frame,

552
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 4: but I guess maybe be kind of right shoulder at

553
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 4: that point.

554
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was him, Like but it's like.

555
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: You've got a head and then a shoulder and then

556
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 4: just like the body. And it was like the same

557
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 4: size as a human because.

558
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: You could see us standing. He was about like our height.

559
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's my best friend Jin and that's me

560
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: and not my hat.

561
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: That is cool, I think, especially the fact that it's

562
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: illuminating like that and really really adds to it because

563
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: a lot of times when we see like orbs and

564
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: stuff like that on photos, like they can be easily explained,

565
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: but when there's like a source of light coming out

566
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: of whatever this is, it's pretty ld.

567
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: Chet because you can see behind I'm like dark, there

568
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: was no light.

569
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 4: I mean we're outside in the front of a motel with.

570
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: A flash on, so it's like the flash hit that

571
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: thing and then darkened us in the background.

572
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, because we tried.

573
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: We went on a quest to figure out if this

574
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: could like how yeah, it would happen.

575
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 4: We kept after it happened, we found it, we kept

576
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 4: taking photos, you know, like, oh maybe it was a

577
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 4: weird angle, like what happened with this, and we could

578
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 4: not recreate it. It would not happen again. And I watched

579
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 4: it move. I mean, it wasn't like like you said,

580
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 4: you literally came into the camera and out of the camera.

581
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 4: Like I watched him just float or whatever it is

582
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: float through. I've never seen anything like that before.

583
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: I haven't either.

584
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: It's definitely one of the good ones.

585
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: So, in your professional opinion, is this a ghost because

586
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 3: this is your forte you're just amateur ghost?

587
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: I definitely. I have a hard time, ever officially, ever

588
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: saying that's a ghost.

589
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: Okay, but you need like a gavel with like a ghost.

590
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: That's what I say all the time. I feel like

591
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: I should be the one that's like this is or

592
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: it isn't. But I would say again, given the fact

593
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: that that the light is coming out of it, it's

594
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: so blue. Yeah, and if from what you say that

595
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: the way you've described it happening, I mean, it's very

596
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: convincing to me and it's huge.

597
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I mean I don't know, but we

598
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: have no explanation for it.

599
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: I will call it a ghost Okay, Yeah, all right, ruled, ruled.

600
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: So that's the first time, Zagary, that you ever like

601
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: thought ghosts.

602
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 4: Were real, right, I mean, I wouldn't say it was

603
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 4: the first time I thought they were real. I believed

604
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 4: in ghosts prior. I have some family members, my mom's uncle,

605
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 4: he was like a spiritual advisor to the Barrymoores family,

606
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 4: whoa yeah, and there was reports of his he had

607
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 4: like a he lived in the desert oddly enough, in

608
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 4: Joshua Tree, and he had this house with like these

609
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 4: stone figures kind of lining the walkway, and my mom

610
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 4: said she always felt like they were kind of watching her.

611
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 4: So I feel like there was always talk about kind

612
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 4: of like supernatural and he would try and like teach

613
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 4: her with like tarot cards and like Xenner cards, like

614
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 4: you know, see the symbol, you know, telepathically. So I

615
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 4: feel like those ideas were already kind of swirling around,

616
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 4: But this is the first time that I felt like I,

617
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 4: without a doubt saw ghosts. I mean, we asked him

618
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 4: to come out and then this thing happened. So, and

619
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 4: what about you.

620
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: Have had you seen a ghost or experienced one before this?

621
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: Um?

622
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: Yes, tell me, tell me.

623
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: But it's a really sad story.

624
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: Okay, but I have this thing when someone I love

625
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: uh passes away, they visit.

626
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 1: Me, oh soul.

627
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: A few years before that, when I was twenty, one

628
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: of my really good girlfriends died. She was hit by

629
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: a drunk driver. And this was the first time I

630
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: ever saw a ghosts. I woke up in the middle

631
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: of the night and she was standing at my bed

632
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: and I.

633
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 6: Did the whole movie thing where I put the covers

634
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 6: over my head and peeked down and she's still there.

635
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: Was something I did, that whole.

636
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: Thing that's supposed to make them disappear.

637
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: It didn't.

638
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: But it's your best friend, so that's yeah, it could

639
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: be worse.

640
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, And it wasn't anything.

641
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: It was like she was just there and it was

642
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 3: really weird and it scared the hell out of me.

643
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: And then the next night she came to me in

644
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 3: a dream and it was just like, don't worry. And

645
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: this has happened with everyone who I've loved who.

646
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: Has died shortly after.

647
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: I will undeniably have them visit me in a dream like.

648
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: Dreams are kind of a place that I, I don't.

649
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: Know, work a lot of magic and kind of draw

650
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: inspiration from. And I have a strong connection to, you know,

651
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: the lunar side of things in my dreams.

652
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: So it's kind of a place for me. And I

653
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: also like practice like.

654
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: Lucid dreaming, where you like wake up in your dreams

655
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: and there's it hits different when you are conscious that

656
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: you're dreaming. And so in all of these instances, I've

657
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 3: been like, I'm asleep, this is a dream and I'm

658
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: seeing this person who passed away. This has happened like

659
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 3: four times now, and each time they definitely have a

660
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: message of like comfort. One though, was kind of like

661
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 3: unfinished vibes. So I don't know what that is.

662
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: Do you think do you feel like you're a little

663
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Speaker 1: bit psychic medium?

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Speaker 3: No, because just ask sac I never know what he's thinking.

665
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Speaker 1: That's the thing that is so wild. I am the

666
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: opposite now. I try not to get offended by this,

667
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: but my loved ones never visit me.

668
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Speaker 2: I just don't like you girls.

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Speaker 1: They're done when they say goodbye, they're done, and they

670
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Speaker 1: know how A podcast about ghosts. They know how much

671
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Speaker 1: it would be great for me to tell a story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's rude.

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Speaker 1: My dog of fourteen years died. Oh I'm waiting. He

674
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Speaker 1: is not interested. Yeah, I don't understand why he won't

675
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Speaker 1: just pop by. He knows that that would make for

676
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Speaker 1: great content, but also what would be I'm fretting a

677
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: nice but so, yeah, it's I wonder why they do

678
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: come to you, like, I don't know. I think it's great.

679
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: I think it's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: I mean maybe it's a good thing, like you've left

681
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 3: them with no doubt that they can move on and

682
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 3: that you'll be okay, and that you don't need to

683
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 3: like dredge them up from the beyond.

684
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: To like, you know, worry about you.

685
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like that helps your mourning? Yeah, I

686
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: would think so too. Yes, yeah, because they're like, I'm okay,

687
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: everything's fine, and that makes me feel better.

688
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Speaker 3: They usually have some sort of weird well, like a

689
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Speaker 3: couple of them my grandmother's had kind of this. It

690
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 3: wasn't so much words as a feeling like I don't

691
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Speaker 3: even know how to explain it, but like some of

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Speaker 3: the things that you've been dreaming of doing, or like

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Speaker 3: really wanting four is like will happen for you kind

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Speaker 3: of yeah.

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Speaker 2: Just strange, Yeah, like it's weird.

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Speaker 3: Shortly after like my grandmother passed away in like twenty

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00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: eight seventeen, was it.

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Speaker 2: Now, We've been trying to do music like our whole lives,

699
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Speaker 2: like for.

700
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Speaker 3: Hundreds of years and never really got anywhere, and like

701
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 3: we were at the point of being like, that's why

702
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: we started Twin Temple is like, well, let's just do

703
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: a project where we get to do absolutely everything we

704
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 3: want that like will never have like suits involved with that,

705
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 3: will never like have to be anything but what we

706
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 3: truly love. But I was at this junction where I

707
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,479
Speaker 3: was just like I probably should just you know, never

708
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 3: dream of doing this anymore, and I should just quit

709
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: and I should just keep doing these crappy jobs that

710
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: I don't love and do music as like a hobby.

711
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Speaker 2: And my grandma was like, nah, you're you're to do it.

712
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: Like in so many words, because she always like followed

713
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Speaker 3: my career and she cut the little, you know, articles

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Speaker 3: out if we ever got a crappy local piper to

715
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Speaker 3: you know, put my name in it or anything. And

716
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: she actually liked singing and like wanted to be a

717
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 3: singer at one point. You know, her dad was a singer,

718
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 3: sang it like the pub and stuff, so she was

719
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Speaker 3: rooting for me and she kind of told me that.

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Speaker 3: And shortly after we signed with our agent in the.

721
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Speaker 2: Most like it shouldn't have happened, Like.

722
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Speaker 3: We literally cold called our agent who also like Books,

723
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Speaker 3: Ghost and Slayer and you know, all these great bands,

724
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: and we're like, we just emailed him. We found his

725
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 3: email like out of the blue, like hunted it down.

726
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Speaker 3: We're just like, hey, want to like fuck us on

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Speaker 3: a tour? And he wrote back wow and was like yo.

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Speaker 2: This music is brad Like yeah, I actually do when

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Speaker 2: we're like what co So.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but I had that reassurance from her,

731
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Speaker 3: and it literally happened when I was out in England

732
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Speaker 3: like at her.

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Speaker 2: Funeral, and it was really strange.

734
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Speaker 3: I can't really explain it, but she kind of said

735
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Speaker 3: like don't give up, you know, and so it kind

736
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Speaker 3: of gave me this strength to just be like.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm gonna keep going.

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Speaker 1: It was her my gavel, yeah, but it was.

739
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Speaker 2: So strange that our agent, which is like yeah, hi,

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Speaker 2: like I don't.

741
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Speaker 3: Can you just email people like I mean, like Hollywood,

742
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Speaker 3: I'm a lot of people.

743
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Speaker 1: Do and they don't get that response. Yeah, so that's incredible.

744
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Speaker 2: So it was pretty weird. So I don't know, you know,

745
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: maybe too serious conversation.

746
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, we love that hair. Here's another question with

747
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Speaker 1: you guys having your thud with the spooky thing, the imagery,

748
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Speaker 1: the whatever. Now that I know you guys have like

749
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Speaker 1: a belief of this stuff. You know, you're open minded

750
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Speaker 1: to the idea of ghosts and all that, Like, do

751
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Speaker 1: you ever feel that you might conjure up some dark energy?

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Speaker 4: No, I guess, well, it's like other than me in

753
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Speaker 4: the morning. I think I think about it, like the

754
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Speaker 4: concept of evil is so subjective as it is, you know,

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Speaker 4: because like, well we deem evil somewhere else in the

756
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Speaker 4: world they do not, or vice versa. So I think,

757
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Speaker 4: like the idea that there are just like evil spirits

758
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Speaker 4: around doesn't even exist because they can't because it's so subjective.

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Speaker 4: Because like I look at like a horror you know,

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Speaker 4: a picture of a a horror film, and I'm like, oh,

761
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Speaker 4: that looks cool. Another person gets scared or another person

762
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Speaker 4: gets like queasy, So like there is no blanket good

763
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Speaker 4: or evil. Oh, I do think though, in the practice

764
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Speaker 4: of magic, you can you know, evoke or invoke energies

765
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Speaker 4: that are just like reservoirs of energy that have been

766
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Speaker 4: kind of placed there for certain like a tool, like

767
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Speaker 4: you go to workshop and you grab a tool for something,

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Speaker 4: so like you can't access energies that have certain and

769
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Speaker 4: tools certain abilities. But I don't think they're evil or

770
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Speaker 4: anything like that. You know, it's all how you use them.

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Speaker 4: You know, like magic is like a tool and it's

772
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Speaker 4: in the owner, you know, the person's discretion, you know,

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Speaker 4: how they use it.

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot lately, like there's all these

775
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Speaker 1: people that will find my social media and they'll tell

776
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Speaker 1: me I'm evil and alone I'm just over here like

777
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Speaker 1: making silly jokes about like I went on a date

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Speaker 1: the other day, and they're like, yeah, evil whatever. So

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, I've always been so afraid

780
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Speaker 1: that a demon's going to pop up next to my

781
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Speaker 1: bed in the middle of the night.

782
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Speaker 2: But I feel like, because people call you evil.

783
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Speaker 1: No, no, just I've just been scared of that idea.

784
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: But now I'm like, maybe a demon would see me

785
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Speaker 1: and be like, sucker, we see you. Yeah, what you're

786
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Speaker 1: doing is great.

787
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Speaker 2: Keep it up probably, Yeah, so.

788
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's your interpretation.

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Speaker 1: I love that pretty sure.

790
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Speaker 2: Hell has all the cool people.

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Speaker 1: That's what I keep thinking, Like, those are going to

792
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Speaker 1: be our roommates, so you have to like be cool

793
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: with all the people that are going there.

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Speaker 2: That's why we're starting now.

795
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's why I invited you guys here because I

796
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Speaker 1: want to be where the good music is in the afterlife.

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Speaker 2: You know what. There's wait, so we got rock and

798
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Speaker 2: Roll down in Hill.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 1: You also were saying that you have a story about.

801
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Speaker 2: The Whaley House. Have you been there?

802
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Speaker 1: Of course, I've been at Whale.

803
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Speaker 2: Anything happened when you're there?

804
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: The Whaley House in San Diego, Yeah.

805
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Speaker 2: That was another birthday. I have a pattern.

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Speaker 1: I've been a few times there. I've never been able

807
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Speaker 1: to like have it to myself, you know. I've always

808
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: been there during during business hours. Yeah, and I can't

809
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Speaker 1: say I've ever experienced anything, Okay, but you have.

810
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Speaker 4: Well, when we were in the courthouse all the sentencing

811
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Speaker 4: for the hangings.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I've seen the things spin around like there's like

813
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Speaker 1: a it's not a chandelier, some kind of lighter picture.

814
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Speaker 1: One time that happened and I was like, Okay, that's

815
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Speaker 1: something I don't.

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Speaker 4: We just heard like papers shuffling and like you could

817
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Speaker 4: just kind of hear murmurs, like it was almost like

818
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 4: you were sitting in on like a like before you hear.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was just like chairs kind of shuffling, like papers,

820
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Speaker 6: like low talking, and we thought that you know how

821
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Speaker 6: sometimes you go to museums and they have sounds that

822
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Speaker 6: are like.

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Speaker 1: Recreating like the time period.

824
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Speaker 2: The time period.

825
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Speaker 3: So we were like, oh, like we didn't think anything

826
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Speaker 3: of it at all, and then.

827
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Speaker 2: We asked the tour lady after, like what was.

828
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Speaker 3: The happened in that courtroom? And what were like, what

829
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Speaker 3: was the like noises supposed to be? And she's like

830
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Speaker 3: what noise? And we're like we both independently heard it

831
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Speaker 3: and didn't even really talk about it though, because I

832
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: was like, you were that right, and he was like yeah, and.

833
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Speaker 2: I was like it wasn't it was like courtroom ghost.

834
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Speaker 2: So it wasn't like it's evabillating or anything, but it

835
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Speaker 2: was a thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like what they call residual hauntings, where it's yeah,

837
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Speaker 1: probably sort of like these little moments in time that

838
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Speaker 1: are just replaying over and over.

839
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was like super boring, like haunted by papers,

840
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 2: haunted by like paper. Yeah, yeah, yeah, my paper. I

841
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: feel like we have so many ghost stories to talk about.

842
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: Tell me one more one mare.

843
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: No, because you were there for it.

844
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yea, that's true, you.

845
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: Left me.

846
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 4: That's right.

847
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: Okay. So we were on tour. And what is the

848
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 2: name of the hotel?

849
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Speaker 4: It's it's in San Antonio.

850
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 2: Where Robert Johnson cut a record.

851
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 4: He recorded as only like known recordings.

852
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:07,479
Speaker 1: Who's Robert Johns?

853
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 4: Robert Johnson? Have you heard the story of like the

854
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: blues guitar player who sold his soul at the Crossroads?

855
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: Yes, I have heard that story.

856
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 4: That's Robert Johnson.

857
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: So can you remind me that story? Though I know

858
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: I've heard it, But what is it?

859
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 4: Yeah? So Robert Johnson? What like in the twenties, Robert

860
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 4: Johnson is a blues guitar player who reportedly sucked, couldn't

861
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 4: play at all, and he disappears from a little town

862
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 4: and again supposedly sells his soul to the devil at

863
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 4: the crossroads. Comes back turn for the ability to play,

864
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 4: to play and sing now and supposedly he had this

865
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 4: like double voice where he could sing and they would

866
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 4: be like two voices coming.

867
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Speaker 2: Out at once, like pitch harmonics.

868
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't really hear that in his recordings personally,

869
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 4: they're hunting, they're cool, they sound great. Yeah, and then

870
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 4: he comes back and oh he's a guitar tredder, you

871
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 4: know whatever. So he records it's for his only album

872
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 4: there at this hotel.

873
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Speaker 2: Gunter Gun, yeahn Gunter Gun something like that.

874
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 4: I've got it. I've got a fact check some stupcoming,

875
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 4: which it is. It is the Gunter wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Well, I we didn't know anything about this hotel, but

877
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: you just showed up randomly.

878
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 4: We didn't even know it was Robert Johnson, which is

879
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 4: cool because we're fans. That was what the heck.

880
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: Well, he wasn't in the house though, Robert was not there,

881
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: So I was in the hotel room and Zach was like,

882
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go out or whatever.

883
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 2: Do you want to go out? And I was like

884
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: really tired. Oh you you were doing I don't know ya,

885
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: we just went out. You went out.

886
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: What what were you doing?

887
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,959
Speaker 2: Probably carrying on like we used to back in the day.

888
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 4: That's what you do, okay.

889
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: I was just staying in the hotel room, and it

890
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: was like I'm going to order room service and just

891
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 3: like hang out and watch you know, TV and.

892
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: Then what does the Satanist watch on TV?

893
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: Christmas movies?

894
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: Spooky Hallmark?

895
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah those are the scariest.

896
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I was just like watching random.

897
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: Hotel TV and I had the full shebang.

898
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: Lights flickered, it became icy cold in the room, like

899
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 3: I could see my breath, it was freezing, and I

900
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 3: was like messing with the thermostat and I just had

901
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 3: that feeling of someone's in this room, and I was like,

902
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 3: is it the room.

903
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: Service that's here?

904
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: Is what? Like?

905
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 3: I got really scared because I actually thought someone was

906
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 3: there and I was all broken alone.

907
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 4: Or like I just yeah, and you started texting.

908
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 3: I started texting him like I think someone's here, Like

909
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm really scared.

910
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: Can you come back? Like this is so weird.

911
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 3: Of course, by the time he comes back, none of

912
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 3: these weird creepy things are happening, so he was just like,

913
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 3: I don't know.

914
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: You're like a lie.

915
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: She drag you out of the strip club or wherever

916
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: you are.

917
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 4: Rushed back, so.

918
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 2: That place was just like what, you're cold?

919
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: Like I don't know because you're I was just like,

920
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's really cold, so how did we figure?

921
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 4: You started certain? You were like, this is really weird,

922
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 4: so you started googling and then she starts texting me

923
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 4: it's haunted, it's haunted, and I'm just like, yeah, yeah, whatever,

924
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know. I wasn't really paying.

925
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: Attention, you know, yeah, this is our relationship. But yeah,

926
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: So I found out that.

927
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 3: A grizzly unsolved murder happened a few doors down from

928
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: my hotel room, where they found a bathtub full of

929
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: blood and no.

930
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 2: Body and nobody no, Like, I think they don't know

931
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: where her body is.

932
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 4: I don't think they found it.

933
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: I don't think they because I was trying to search

934
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: what happened. They might have found it in like the

935
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: water tower or that was.

936
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: Like does the Cecil Hotel?

937
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, Okay, yeah, so they just had a

938
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: bathtub full of blood and this young lady who was murdered,

939
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 3: and then I lost it.

940
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 4: I was just like, then I think we came back.

941
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: You're like, did you find that out when you were there?

942
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: I was like googling it afterwards because I was just like,

943
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 3: what is this Why is this hotel so cold?

944
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 2: Like why what is going on?

945
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 3: Like that was like not the potpourri haunting. This was

946
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: like you know, horror movie haunting, like really scary, Like

947
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 3: it scared the living hell out of me.

948
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: I do that all the time when I'm in a

949
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: haunted hotel or what if I go to any hotel anywhere. Yeah,

950
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it's a ramata whatever. As soon

951
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: as I'm laying in bed and I'm done for the

952
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: night with my show or whatever and I'm just like chilling,

953
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: I will google this specific place is it haunted? And

954
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: sometimes I should do that before I get there.

955
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna start doing that before.

956
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: Few times I have found like articles of like really

957
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: murder occurs or whatever.

958
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: I did not like it.

959
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: I would not actively pursue that feeling, and I would

960
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 3: avoid it because yeah, well, I mean, I'm never staying

961
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 3: in that hotel again. I hated the experience. It felt awful,

962
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: like it felt like you're, you know, dying kind of.

963
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: Did you write a yelp? Yeah?

964
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 2: I gave him like log to yelp.

965
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: Are the review? Are there's satanic? Karens? Oh my god?

966
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 4: Not that I've met.

967
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: I think there's witch Karens.

968
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 4: Oh, for sure, there's probably.

969
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: There's paranormal Karens. There's there's a lot of like like, actually,

970
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: that's not how you do that ritual you're supposed to

971
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: like girl.

972
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, oh we have gotten that.

973
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, like more witchcraft. Like people like to

974
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 4: think there's only one way, you know what I mean,

975
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 4: it's just no.

976
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: I totally know what you're talking about.

977
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 3: But yet as we're talking like, we have so many

978
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 3: paranormal experiences.

979
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: Actually, well, I hope you guys will want to come

980
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: back again.

981
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, we love to thank you for having us.

982
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: Let's do one last thing because we do this pretty

983
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: much every episode. Can I play some ghost voice through? Yeah,

984
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: it's time for EVP or ev please. Okay, So what

985
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: I do is I go to YouTube and I find

986
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: EVPs Electronic Voice phenomenon. Okay, this is when people believe

987
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: they've captured a ghost speaking. Okay, So I'm going to

988
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: play two of them, and I'll give you an abc

989
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 1: D option of what they believe the ghost is saying,

990
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: and I want you to choose the right answer.

991
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna a this.

992
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: This first one was posted by someone on YouTube named

993
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: Kenda Elise, and it is at their local Cracker Barrel

994
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: Old Country Store.

995
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 4: Cracker Barrel Ghost.

996
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 1: They believe that their Cracker Barrel's Old Country Store is haunted.

997
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: Haunted by the Biscuits.

998
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 4: Wonderful.

999
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: It sounds like they recorded this during business hours. Uh

1000
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: what is this ghost saying? Okay, okay, so you can

1001
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: hear yes, so you can hear some you can hear

1002
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: people talking in the background, but then you can hear

1003
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: this voice. It's kind of like, man, they're kind of thing.

1004
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: It sounds like they're singing like.

1005
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 4: A jingle, little R and B. Can we hear it again?

1006
00:52:53,239 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can sample that if you're now we're gonna maybe,

1007
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: are you dude?

1008
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to give it some edge.

1009
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not a bad guess.

1010
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 2: So they bob up.

1011
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: I'll give you some options. Okay, do they think it

1012
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: was A. It is Nancy, Nancy, I got name Nancy.

1013
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: Do they think it was B This.

1014
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 5: Food is nasty? C I'm feeling fancy or d ooh

1015
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 5: that's tasty?

1016
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: Okay, which one is that? I'm going to play it

1017
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: again one more time. Actually, I'll probably play it more

1018
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: than once.

1019
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 4: I'm going to be nasty.

1020
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 3: Yah, knowing what I know about the cracker barrel, it's

1021
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 3: definitely it is nasty.

1022
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 2: I'm not except any other it is.

1023
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: Actually, ah, it is nancy, now that we know that

1024
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: potatoes potatoes.

1025
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I can hear the sea.

1026
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: You can kind of hear it. Okay, wait, I have

1027
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: one more for you. This one is another interesting one.

1028
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: It was recorded at a crossroads, or well sort of

1029
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: not a crossroads like.

1030
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 4: I like the vintage totally.

1031
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: Somebody was selling their clothes. Now, it was recorded at

1032
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: a train train tracks. That's the word. A train is

1033
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: going by, and they believe that they've captured a voice

1034
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: speaking as the train goes by. Their YouTube channel is

1035
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: called they still speak, okay, what is this ghost saying?

1036
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 2: Okay, it just sounds like a train.

1037
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: Well, there is a train going by. But then there's

1038
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: a voice that's like okay, okay. Now there's a squeaky

1039
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: as well that they need to loop up those train tracks.

1040
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: But there's a.

1041
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna need the.

1042
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: Okay. Did they think it was a would you eat B?

1043
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: I want you to teach C what do you mean?

1044
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: Or D where's the beef.

1045
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 2: That's grow? I still don't even hear.

1046
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 3: Is it the worst they.

1047
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: Believe it is? Be I want you to teach. Okay,

1048
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: now that we know that, let's see if we can

1049
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: hear that.

1050
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: I can hear.

1051
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 1: I think it's I want you to eat or something.

1052
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 2: I feel like.

1053
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 3: I like option a would you eat that a ghost

1054
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 3: would haunt a train, just.

1055
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 2: To be like, would you eat?

1056
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: What did you eat?

1057
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 3: Like I'm assuming the person farted right, and then like

1058
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 3: they're just like smelling it and like haunting a ghost

1059
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 3: to troll them over the smell right?

1060
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: As I always say, farts and burbs are the ghosts

1061
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: of food. Yes, it is.

1062
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 3: That's why I'm going Option one.

1063
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: Wow, Twin Temple. I can't believe that the two of

1064
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: you have found each other. I think that there's something

1065
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: supernatural to that.

1066
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 2: I had to dig for a long time.

1067
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 4: Took a lot of digging six feet.

1068
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: You guys are cool. Thanks for joining me.

1069
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: I was so fun.

1070
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: It was fun.

1071
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: I love your podcast. Thank you.

1072
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: I want people to listen to your music and support

1073
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: all that you do. So where do they do all that?

1074
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: Tell us what we need to know? You touring?

1075
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going on tour, Allen Angels tour, Twin temple

1076
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 4: dot com for all that stuff, and we're on We're

1077
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 4: on all the usual stuff and.

1078
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well you're dark sided and I think that

1079
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: we should all send bibles to you. Thank you. Yeah

1080
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 1: you do not, No, I think you has a great

1081
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

1082
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: Thank you, this so fun.

1083
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Zachary and Alexandra from twin Temple. See,

1084
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: Satanists aren't always so bad, right, Please don't show up

1085
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: at my house. Please please don't do any of that

1086
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: stuff to be okay, I'm just a nice lady tell

1087
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: of jokes and having an open mind and giving a

1088
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: platform to people that I think are doing something harmless

1089
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: and wonderful. Thank you so much for listening. I love

1090
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: you all, both living and dead. But if I didn't

1091
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me came back.

1092
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production. Want to share

1093
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: your paranormal experience on the podcast. I read stories out

1094
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: loud and sometimes I'll even call you, so email me

1095
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com. You can

1096
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: send a DM or voice message to the show's Instagram

1097
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: at Ghosted by Roz. Give us a follow while you're

1098
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Speaker 1: there and follow me Roz on Instagram at roz Hernandez

1099
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: and on TikTok and Twitter at it's roz Hernandez. My

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00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is

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Speaker 1: the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound

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Speaker 1: designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is

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Speaker 1: the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the hair

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Speaker 1: raising Hannah Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by the

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Speaker 1: spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac.

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Speaker 1: Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the

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Speaker 1: Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spookky Georgia Hard Start, and the

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Speaker 1: Frightening Danielle Kramer.