1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: Hi, I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson. 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our. 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 3: We are a sibling railval No, no, sibling. You don't 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 3: do that with your mouth, revelry. 6 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: That's good. 7 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 4: This episode was so much fun, Oh my god, and 8 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 4: I loved it because it was spiritual and funny and irreverent, 9 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 4: but still like I. 10 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 5: Didn't even know what to expect, yeah, even even introduce 11 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 5: these guys. 12 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 2: So let's everyone maybe take a guess. Okay, what happens 13 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: when you mix a comedian and a rabbi. I don't know. 14 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. 15 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 6: You get two brothers, you get Mosha and David Casher, 16 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 6: That's what you get. 17 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 4: It was so great, I mean, what a what an 18 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 4: amazing coupling. And David is so wonderful. I was like, 19 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 4: can he be my rabbi? I need I need David 20 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 4: and some David in my life. 21 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 6: You know, he was so he was just so cool 22 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 6: and down to earth and and funny and and and 23 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 6: just watching and listening to the two of them who 24 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 6: are just so different yet so connected. 25 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so the same but have had way different 26 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: paths in their lives. Mosha was like a mess. 27 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean and there their story, which I really 28 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 4: don't want to get into. 29 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: Is is fascinating. 30 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 4: It is because and I had I left just not 31 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 4: even anything. But so Mosha he is the house of 32 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 4: the Endless Honeymoon podcast, which he does with his wife, 33 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 4: and then David is the author of Parsha Nutt fifty 34 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 4: four Journeys into the World of Torah commentary. 35 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: So you couldn't get right there. 36 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's very. 37 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 4: Modern and the way he talks about you know, our religion, 38 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 4: our our our religion, Oliver not practicing religion, but but 39 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 4: what we were born into is uh, it's just like 40 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 4: really refreshing and easy to comprehend. 41 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: They were great, This was great. I loved it. To 42 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: give anything away, okay, okay, but. 43 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: We got to say one thing and what you were 44 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: about to say it. Yeah, you know both their parents 45 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 2: were deaf. 46 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: Both of their parents were deaf. 47 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 6: Yes, that's right, and you know they divorced in early 48 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 6: age blah blah blah. But just hearing how they got 49 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 6: through life in the different paths. 50 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 4: That they took, it's just it's fascinating, really fascinating. 51 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: I love this. 52 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 4: And again, you know, it's one thing when we're talking 53 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 4: to specialists and you and I get to kind of 54 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 4: banter in our sibling way with the things that we 55 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 4: love and passion are passionate about, or just share things 56 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 4: we're passionate about. But when we actually sit down with 57 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 4: siblings like this that have stories that are kind of 58 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 4: make your jaw drop when. 59 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: What yeah, how great? Like how how was that? 60 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 4: You know, it's like, I don't know, this was one 61 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 4: of those episodes that made me love that we decided 62 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 4: to do this with each other. 63 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, all right, check it out. 64 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: You're gonna love it. Hey, well, hello, guys, are in 65 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: the same room. 66 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 7: See. I would have manipulated this to make sure we 67 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 7: were in the same room too, but I was told 68 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 7: we didn't need to be. 69 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: I know, we didn't need to be, but I wish 70 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: we were. Is this your podcast room? 71 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 8: Yeah? 72 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 7: I thought like at some point, you know, like if 73 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 7: at any point there's a lull in the conversation, I 74 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 7: can kind. 75 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: Of lean into it. I like it, you know, I 76 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: like it. You know, this podcast isn't really that dynamic. 77 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 7: But you know what, I really kind. 78 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: Of Well, I'm so excited to have you guys on. 79 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 8: Yeah. 80 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 5: I just got off the phone with Bobby Lee. By 81 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 5: the way, he said to say, hello, Oh awesome. I 82 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 5: love Bobby. 83 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: He's one of the greats. 84 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 4: He's the best. He was our first second podcast him, 85 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 4: one of our one of our most listened him. 86 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 5: And are his brother, who's like, secretly better than Bobby. 87 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 7: I know it's going to be right on theme. I'm 88 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 7: I'm secretly better than. 89 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: Perfect. 90 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 7: You know what's funny about David is it depending on 91 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 7: what circle we're in, he's my brother, So you guys 92 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 7: are in the same field. But depending on what we're in, 93 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 7: he's my brother or I'm here his brother. So if 94 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 7: we're in a Jewish thing, they go, oh, you're David's brother. 95 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 7: But if we're but literally anywhere else in the world. 96 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 4: But you guys both have podcasts, right, we did, so 97 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 4: you kind of are in the same I guess line 98 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 4: of work. 99 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, it's a difference of scale. 100 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 4: And then you did it together in the pandemic. So 101 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 4: in the pandemic, you guys started doing a We did. 102 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: Do that a little bit. 103 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, how was that I finally started coming 104 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 7: together I mean what the truth is, like every every 105 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 7: rabbi kind of wants you know that thing. Every comedian 106 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 7: wants to be a rock star. A rock star wants 107 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 7: to be a comedian. Yes, it's kind of like every 108 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 7: I want to be a comedian. 109 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 5: And I think, no, David David, David, David David, He's 110 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 5: spot on. I mean I was I was literally about 111 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 5: to say that most rabbis that I know. 112 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: And how many rabbis do you know, have a million? 113 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 5: They're all telling jokes like it's a joke fest. 114 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 2: It yeah, bad humor. 115 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 7: But I think Moss narrative is sort of like, you know, 116 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 7: David Kina wants to be like me, you know, like 117 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 7: I get it, but every but every comedian these days 118 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 7: kind of wants to be like a kind of a 119 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 7: thought leader, kind of a spirit thought leader, you know. 120 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 7: But so you know, like, yeah, all I want to 121 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 7: do is the minds and hearts of the youth of tomorrow. 122 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 5: But I want to I wanted to start with this 123 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 5: in reading all your guys stuff. So your dad, what 124 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 5: hold on? Your dad orthodox? And then your mom atheist? 125 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 5: Did I get that right? Your dad's Hasidic? Well or 126 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 5: THEO doctor? I mean, yeah, is that correct, Like, how 127 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 5: does that even work? Well, let's get to that possibility. Well, 128 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 5: both those things are kind of true. 129 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 7: You you, I'm telling us, well, yeah, we've been lying 130 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 7: about our background and so like we can't keep track 131 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 7: of the story going that way. 132 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: Kind of true, but we kind of didn't make it up. 133 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 7: Well, basically, my father, my father, both my parents are 134 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 7: Every time I answer this question, I start having to 135 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 7: go back into the old country. Like it's so hard 136 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 7: to answer these questions without going back to my great 137 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 7: our great great grandfather. Oh wow, who was an ascidic 138 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 7: Jew and he had like how many kids, David, She 139 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 7: had four children, had four kids, and they all stayed 140 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 7: religious except for our grandmother. 141 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: She rebelled against the family. 142 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 7: My great, my great great, my great great, my great 143 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 7: grandfather came here. 144 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: He left the family in Hungary and to. 145 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 9: Go, we're Hungarian. We're Hungarian. Oh we all right, Yeah, 146 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 9: we're Hungarian Jews. That's an important distinction. It's such an 147 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 9: important dist thing to say we're Hungarian Jews. Oh, we're Hungarian. 148 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 9: Back then we would have would have rounded you up. 149 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 7: So he came over before the war, and by the 150 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 7: time he called for them. 151 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: She was the oldest. 152 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 7: She was like, fuck this guy, you abandoned me in Hungary. 153 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 7: I don't want anything to do with you. I don't 154 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 7: want anything to do with religion. I'm out. 155 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: So she became like a civil rights. 156 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 7: And communist Jew of the Lower east Side kind of 157 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 7: type really literally literally card carrying American Communist Party member, 158 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 7: civil rights marcher person, just nothing to do with religion. 159 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 7: And she married a Yiddish novelist named David Kasher, which 160 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 7: is David's namesake, and they were like activists and whatever. 161 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 7: Then they had my father, who was born deaf and 162 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 7: he so he had an ambient sense of Hasidic Judaism 163 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 7: in his life, but he was not a religious person. 164 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 7: He was a beatnik and a David you can jump 165 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 7: in at any point, but an artist and a freak 166 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 7: and a weirdo and a painter in the Lower east Side. 167 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 7: And he met my mother because she's deaf. They got married. 168 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 7: They continued their beatnik life together, and then when I 169 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 7: was nine months old and David was three, my mother 170 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 7: said she was going on vacation to back to her 171 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 7: hometown of Oakland, California, and we never returned, and she 172 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 7: and in the wake of his family leaving him behind, 173 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 7: my father went back to the thing that was his 174 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 7: kind of you know, wow, his net, I guess, his 175 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 7: spiritual net. He became a born again Jew. He then 176 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 7: became a Hassidic Jew by marrying into an extremely hardcore 177 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 7: sect of acidic Judaism. And so it's not like we 178 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 7: were raised in an atheist Hasidic household. It's that my 179 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 7: dad fell into a stream of extreme religiosity. 180 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would say that they like to get. 181 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 7: When they were together, they practiced sort of a traditional 182 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 7: but light Jewish practice. But then when they split, they 183 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 7: sort of changed their lives drastically, like restarted their lives 184 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 7: by shifting that variable. And my dad's approach was to 185 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 7: become sort of vultra orthodox, and my mom's approach was 186 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 7: just to say, like, forget all this, I'm starting. Oh, 187 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 7: we're back, you know, back in my hippie you know 188 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 7: home country of California. 189 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: And where are you guys now? 190 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: We're both in Los Angeles. 191 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 7: We're both in Los Angeles, we're both in LA could 192 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 7: have been in the same room, but we just didn't 193 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 7: get it together to do that. We haven't And I 194 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 7: to be honest with you. 195 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: David and I. 196 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 7: This is the first conversation we're having. We're a strange 197 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 7: so this is the first conversation we're having. 198 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: An over. 199 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 4: Are you your dad is still in New York? 200 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: No, he's in heaven. 201 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: Okay, as your father died long ago. 202 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 2: A long time ago, like a twenty is it like 203 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: three years? So years ago? Now? 204 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, I was yeah, twenty two, twenty three years ago. 205 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 7: But here's the good news about how you did. But 206 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 7: you're a reconciliation of sorts, didn't you? 207 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 2: What's that? 208 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 5: Did you have a reconciliation of sorts? Because wasn't he 209 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 5: sort of not the greatest dad in the world? 210 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: You know, No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't characterized him. 211 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 7: Well, the thing is, now that he's dead, he can 212 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 7: hear and so you can hear this podcast. 213 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to say. 214 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 7: But it was a very complicated. No, it was complicated 215 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 7: by divorce. We were kind of that classic eighties divorced family. 216 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 7: And then my dad really wanted us. Actually, I would 217 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 7: say he was an impressively active East Coast Hasidic Jewish father. 218 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 7: He wanted us to come move to be with him 219 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 7: and never stop that fight. But I, as I got older, 220 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 7: wanted that less and less, and I think David your 221 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 7: trajectory maybe was a little different. 222 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: David really wanted, I think, to be there. I was 223 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 2: always really into it. 224 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, this was a typical eighties father's move, because our 225 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 4: eighties father was the exact office. 226 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: There was no fight. 227 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 7: What I mean is is more that, oh that there 228 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 7: was a divorce and our families didn't get along, and 229 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 7: that the tension in the family was not because my 230 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 7: mom was bad or my dad was bad to us, 231 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 7: but more that they fucking hated each other and were 232 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 7: like openly fighting the proxy fighting us. 233 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 4: Right, Okay, got it, you were like the sut bullets. 234 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 7: Right. We were just talking about this like the other day, 235 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 7: whether like you know that statistic like half of marriages 236 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 7: end in divorce, and there's like, I'm not sure that 237 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 7: that's actually a true statistic. We were like debating that, 238 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 7: but it felt in the eighties is definitely the time 239 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 7: where it felt like a truth statistic and felt like 240 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 7: everybody's parents were divorced. And also it was like there 241 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 7: was so much divorce that felt like nobody knew how 242 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 7: to do divorce, Like everybody was so bad at it, 243 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 7: and everybody's so angry at each other. It was like 244 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 7: just if you had divorce parents, it just sucked, and 245 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 7: I think it did for us. Yeah, it's so true. 246 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 7: So you guys grew up in Oakland for the most part, 247 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 7: that's right. And we would go to Brooklyn for our 248 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 7: summer vacation and literally, this is true. We would go 249 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 7: from the airport to the Hasidic Jewish barber shop. The 250 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 7: barber would give us, like he would try to de 251 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 7: California fi our haircut. It was kind of difficult because 252 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 7: like they were supposed to be growth here, you know, 253 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 7: because this is acidic neighborhood. So they spoke, but we 254 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 7: didn't have that growth because we had the kind of 255 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 7: classic California bowl cut, which I guess I kind of 256 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 7: been rocking these days again. But and then we would literally, 257 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 7: I mean, this is seems made up, but we would 258 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 7: put on slacks and a dress shirt and a velvet 259 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 7: yamica and then we would go into the Hasidic neighborhood 260 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 7: and we would sort of pretend that we knew what 261 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 7: we were doing. And David was a master chameleon, and 262 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 7: I I just couldn't get it. Together, Like I spent 263 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 7: all those summers so aware that I didn't like. People 264 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 7: could tell that I liked I listened to too short. 265 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: You know, like I just knew they knew, you know, 266 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: And I also they could tell they're like, that's kid, 267 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: that's too short emotion. 268 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 4: See you as a little boy, like I could see 269 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 4: you with the young I could see you in that moment, David. 270 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: I wanted to know what you were going to say. 271 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 7: But the thing that was really difficult for me was 272 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 7: that I didn't know Hebrew, like at all, Like I didn't, 273 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 7: so I couldn't pretend. And this neighborhood was so hardcore 274 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 7: that an English prayer book was like a read. It 275 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 7: was like a scarlet letter. Like everybody would be like, 276 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 7: why would you that? None of that makes sense? And 277 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 7: David very quickly learned Hebrew and he could follow along 278 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 7: in the Hebrew prayer book and I would have to 279 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 7: carry with me to temple this kind of like neon 280 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 7: sign saying this kid, did there's something wrong here? I mean, 281 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 7: I was just I was just really into it, you 282 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 7: know what I mean, Like I was into it from 283 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 7: the start, Like that was just that looking back, I 284 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 7: was just the kind of person. Probably it was just 285 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 7: drawn to religion, but I would yeah, I was probably 286 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 7: a master community. Like I was a good faker too, 287 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 7: but like I most just sort of hated it. And 288 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 7: I was like, this is cool, what is this. 289 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 4: I have this like moment I guess what five years 290 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 4: ago or something where I was like, I just need 291 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 4: to know more about where I come, like who I am, 292 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 4: like who I am, like where I come from, and 293 00:14:59,160 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 4: what we are. 294 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: Our grandma was very was very really. 295 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 4: I mean she you know, put a napkin over her 296 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 4: head every Friday and lit candles and would say the prayer, 297 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 4: and we just like you know, did what we had 298 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 4: to do, like we went to temple, but we didn't 299 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 4: know what the hell was going on, you know. And 300 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 4: then when she died, it kind of died with her. 301 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 4: And so I just had this whole thing. I was like, 302 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 4: I had all these messages happening and signs. 303 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: So I was like, I need a rabbi. 304 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 4: Found Rabbi Levy, And the one thing that made me 305 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 4: so happy about us was I said to him, like, 306 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 4: here's the thing. I am not religious. I have a 307 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 4: hard time with religion. I want to challenge everything that 308 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 4: you are going to teach me and he's like yes, 309 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 4: He's like, this is this is what we our tribe 310 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 4: is really good at challenge it, challenge me. And that 311 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 4: was like my entry into learning about our religion. I 312 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 4: think though, as a kid, like to be thrust into 313 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 4: what would be like from like a California, non religious 314 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 4: kind of world into like something so intensely strict. 315 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that kind of traumatizing a little bit? 316 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think it was. 317 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 7: I'll tell you my experience of it, which is I 318 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 7: think that you know, I mean, I was drawn to it, 319 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 7: for sure, but I also was like that was our 320 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 7: time of our dad, and I just I wanted to 321 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 7: be close to my dad. I wanted to impress my dad. 322 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 7: I wanted to like you know, be seen as good 323 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 7: in my father's eyes. And like there was he happened 324 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 7: to live in such a way that there was like 325 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 7: this entire infrastructure of rules to follow that would make 326 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 7: you good, and an entire community of like you know, 327 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 7: you know, in retrospect, like not that friendly, you know, 328 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 7: group of people, very judgmental, kind of like a kind 329 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 7: of oppressive culture. But it was a way of like 330 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 7: for me, I just sort of used that adaptation to 331 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 7: be like a good little boy to my dad. 332 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: Basically, that's a big part of it for me. 333 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 7: What about emos Well, I think the story that I 334 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 7: I'm thinking of two stories. One is when you know, 335 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 7: the classic thing you ask a kid, what do you 336 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 7: want to be when you grow up? What I wanted 337 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 7: to be when I grew up at that time was 338 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 7: a rebbie. 339 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 2: Do you know what a rebbe is? A rebbie isn't 340 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 2: a rabbi a rabbit. 341 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 7: A rebbie is like a rabbi with a cult, right, 342 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 7: Like a rebbie is like a rabbi with a following. 343 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 7: If you'd ask me when I was like ten nine, 344 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 7: what do you want to be when grow up? I 345 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 7: would have said, I want to be a rebbie or 346 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 7: a baseball player. Now I don't care about sports, and 347 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 7: I don't really care that much about religion either, Like 348 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 7: they were both projections of insecurities, Like I didn't like baseball. 349 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 7: I didn't want to be a baseball player, but I 350 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 7: wanted to be like a man and tough, And I 351 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 7: didn't want to be religious, but I wanted to be 352 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 7: like fit into my dad's. 353 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: Thing or whatever. So that was who. That was the 354 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 2: kid that I was. 355 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 7: But at a certain point I started to realize, like 356 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 7: I don't think I'm going to pull this off, Like 357 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 7: because there's this whole thing in ultra Orthodox Studism that 358 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 7: you are either it's kind of binary, would you agree, David. 359 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 7: You're either you are from which is you are religious 360 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 7: and fully in or you just kind of like are not. 361 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 7: And I started to realize that I wasn't. It wasn't 362 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 7: going to happen for me. And I went on this 363 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 7: drive with this rabbi. There was a rabbi in town 364 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 7: that was teaching me Hebrew. And to his credit, I mean, 365 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 7: he was very sweet like that he found out I 366 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 7: didn't know how to read Hebrew and he would bring 367 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 7: me into his house on Sundays and teach me the alphabet. 368 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 7: And it's like this dude was like a Telmudic master, 369 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 7: Like it's like Alan Turing teaching some kid the multiplication tables. 370 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 7: Like he had better things, yeah than that. But and 371 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 7: I was frustrated, and I remember I was failing. I 372 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 7: just couldn't get it. And this is a memory. He goes, 373 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 7: don't worry about it. He calls in one of his sons. 374 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 7: He's like, don't be ashamed, hold on Schmouley or whatever. 375 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 7: He calls his son in, and his son comes in. 376 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 7: He's like, yes, Tati. He goes, say the American alphabet, 377 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 7: and the kid goes, this is an American kid. The 378 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 7: kid goes a g GT lee like he doesn't know 379 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 7: the fucking alphabet. And then the Rabbi goes, It's fine, 380 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 7: you don't know Hebrew, he doesn't know English. Everybody's fine, 381 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 7: that's cool, Like he would humiliate his son to make 382 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 7: me feel more connected to my people. But it's also 383 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,479 Speaker 7: it's also an illustration of the fact that they we 384 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 7: lived in during the summers, in a community and our 385 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 7: family was the kind of community where someone could grow 386 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 7: up and American and and have like a strong accent 387 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 7: and no real like strong command of England. Were like, 388 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 7: we have cousins who like learned English as the second 389 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 7: language in New York. 390 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: You know, right, we have cousins. 391 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 7: We have people you I think if you went to 392 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 7: them and you were like, go Yankees, it'd be like 393 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 7: is the Yankees. 394 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: Like nah, I already know. Okay. 395 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 7: Maybe this is the other thing about David and I 396 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 7: are narratives of this time are really informed by the 397 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 7: people we've become. And like when David was said, I 398 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 7: think they had a traditional Jewish upbringing, you know sort. 399 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 7: I always think like they were doing drugs in the 400 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 7: Lower East Side together until my mom left my dad, like, 401 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 7: we really have a different window into what was going on, 402 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 7: even though none of us know anyway. 403 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 4: But all the while, your father is is both of 404 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 4: your parents are deaf, right, so how are you communicating 405 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 4: with them? 406 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: Did you immediately know sign language growing up? 407 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? That was our first language. That was yeah, in 408 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: a way, that was our first language. 409 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 7: If you had caught us early enough, we would have 410 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 7: been like a b G when know English. 411 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 2: Either we knew sign language. 412 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 7: People always ask me how you I learned to talk, 413 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 7: and I always say I learned from my brother. 414 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 2: The interesting question is how did he learn? I was 415 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 2: going to ask that question, how did you learn to speak? 416 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 7: Well? I mean I think it is like growing up 417 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 7: with parents speak a different languag like eventually just pick 418 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 7: it up from people around there obviously other people speaking around. 419 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 7: But my dad once said that he came into the 420 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 7: living room and saw me like singing along with a 421 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 7: television commercial. So I guess I learned to speak from TV, 422 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 7: like you know, God, God bless TV. 423 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 4: Well around and people and obviously you go outside and 424 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 4: you hear. 425 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: You know, people talking. 426 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, but what age did your mom sort of pick 427 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 5: you guys up and get out of there and go 428 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 5: to Oakland? 429 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 2: How old were you guys? I was nine more old? 430 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, so your age difference is three and a half. 431 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: Years three just a bit. Yeah, so you're little she 432 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: when she took you out of there. Yeah. 433 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 7: So we really led like a bi coastal life. You know, 434 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,479 Speaker 7: it wasn't like divorce parents. It was like two parents 435 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 7: on two sides of a continent, practicing two entirely different 436 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 7: like religions and lifestyles and in certain ways value systems 437 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 7: and so were. 438 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 5: So talk about your mom a little bit because you know, 439 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 5: we know what your dad was doing over on the 440 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 5: east on the East coast there sort of. 441 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 2: That born again jew But with your mom in Oakland? 442 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 5: Was was she just this sort of free spirited, you know, 443 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 5: let's just get after it type of mom. 444 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: One hundred one hundred thousand percent. 445 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 7: Our childhood was as what's weird with the six weeks? 446 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 7: Our childhood was as California hippie like I was talking 447 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 7: we went to a hot spring the other day, my 448 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 7: wife and I, and there was naked people everywhere. And 449 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 7: my wife is from Illinois and a little less comfortable, 450 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,959 Speaker 7: and I was like, we were talking about that, and 451 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 7: I was like, oh, the amount of naked hippies I 452 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 7: saw by the time I turned ten. 453 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: I mean, it couldn't be quantified. 454 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 7: About this feels sexual to me at this hot spring 455 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 7: because you know, this was the landscape of my childhood. 456 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 2: I mean, would you say, David, I mean. 457 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 7: Disability rights marches, pro choice marches. 458 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 2: I mean we were just. 459 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 7: In it in the hippie the hippie zeitgeist for sure. Yeah, 460 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 7: that's so great. And that was that was part of 461 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 7: it too, is that my mom was sort of a 462 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 7: disability rights activist along with it. So it's definitely like 463 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 7: it was political and civil rights and like you know 464 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 7: that bled over and to other people's civil rights. It's 465 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 7: definitely that kind of you know, old school like she 466 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 7: was born again hippie, like she went back to that 467 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 7: culture and really lived it. 468 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 2: That's funny. 469 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 5: You're living just two completely opposing lifestyles. It's just so interesting. 470 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 5: And did you where did the rebellion sort of come from. 471 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 5: It feels like, Dave, you you went to your dad's 472 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 5: side in the sense of how does from a psychological place, like, 473 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 5: how do how do I get love from him? 474 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: Right? So? 475 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 5: How how how how do how do I how my 476 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 5: dad sort of accept me, let me follow in his footsteps, 477 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 5: so he loves me. That's my psych one oh one, right, 478 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 5: But like mom, you know most of what you said 479 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 5: that you were more like, let's follow let's follow that road, 480 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 5: you know, because obviously it's well documented. 481 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 2: What all the shit that you went through? Dude, When 482 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 2: I was reading. 483 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 5: Over your the bio on the laundry list of I'm like, 484 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 5: what the fuck? I mean the amount of places that 485 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 5: you were at before twelve years old? 486 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 2: Thirteen years old is crazy? The institutions, what I mean. 487 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 7: I think for me, I think that David's David's found 488 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 7: I mean, David is a rabbi, and he's like an 489 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 7: not to toot his horn, but he's an unbelievably talented 490 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 7: and brilliant rabbi. He's good at what he does, and 491 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 7: so I think whether that was fate or what he 492 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 7: manifested through willpower, David fell into the thing that he 493 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 7: was supposed to eventually land in very early on and 494 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 7: for me, but I think he correct me if I'm wrong, David, 495 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 7: you probably have the same feeling for me. My child 496 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 7: was typified by this feeling of I don't belong anywhere. 497 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: And I you. 498 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 7: Know, I was not deaf, but not hearing, not not 499 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 7: Hasidic but not not I was in We both grew up, 500 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 7: you know, really broke in Oakland, Nilco Public School, which 501 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 7: is like ninety percent black at the time, so it 502 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 7: was not black but not. So every space that I 503 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 7: entered felt like I'm not this enough. I just I 504 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 7: can't find my groove in any kind of It was 505 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 7: a kind of walking imposter syndrome. And so that type 506 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 7: of person, that type of kid is like absolutely destined 507 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 7: to fall into drugs and rebellion because that is the 508 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 7: obliteration of getting high. When you're that young, all of 509 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 7: that stuff melts away. It's like I could care less 510 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 7: where I belong. I have found where I belong, and 511 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 7: it's like right here. So that to me, my destiny, 512 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 7: in the same way David's was to find, you know, religiosity. 513 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 7: My destiny was to find a way out of that 514 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 7: feeling of like hyperdifference, and I found that in rebellion. 515 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 7: And so I was twelve when I found the bad 516 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 7: kids at the back of the school and they were 517 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 7: all they were the same as me. Even though they 518 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 7: were nothing met, they were the same as me. They 519 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 7: didn't fit either. 520 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 2: It's like drugs are god, those are the two houses. 521 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 7: About both So you that's awesome, I mean the link 522 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 7: sometimes yeah, by the way I did though they link 523 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 7: sometimes of course. 524 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: So but take us through a little bit of that. 525 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 4: So, like you started, you started to kind of dabble 526 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 4: in drugs in the house. Soon did that become like 527 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 4: an actual real problem? And was your mom even aware 528 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 4: that it was happening. 529 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 2: At the time. 530 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 7: I remember my mom telling us about her experiences on acid, 531 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 7: you know, and she, I believe, was trying to do 532 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 7: a cautionary tale. And I remember listening to that and going, 533 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 7: I'm doing that. That is something that I'm doing right. 534 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 7: But I was, yeah, I was like, uh. In seventh 535 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 7: grade was the first time I got high. So I 536 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 7: guess I was like twelve, and I you know, it's 537 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 7: funny we're talking about our back rounds and our mutual backgrounds. 538 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 7: There was a summer where I got high, and then 539 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 7: I went to I went to immediately to Brooklyn because 540 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 7: it was like the timing. It's like the end of 541 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 7: seventh grade. I got high for the first time, and 542 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 7: then I was off to the Old Country. And I 543 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 7: remember like knowing that my destiny, my life was different, 544 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 7: and that this was no longer. There was no part 545 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,239 Speaker 7: of me to want to be a rebbee or a 546 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 7: baseball player. That summer, all I wanted to do is 547 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 7: get back to Oakland and continue doing whatever that was 548 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 7: and up to it, including like sneaking in and drinking 549 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 7: the Shabbat wine and like like trying to recreate that experience. 550 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 7: Or I remember we were walking through Washington Square Park 551 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 7: and like one of those like weed dealers was like, 552 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 7: you know, trying to you know, those unsolicited weed dealers. 553 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 7: I don't even know if they still do that, but 554 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 7: you know there are People's Park and Washington Square Park 555 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 7: where they'd be like, you know, any new weed or whatever. 556 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 7: And I remember going. My dad was with me, and 557 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 7: I remember going like I want some weed, like that 558 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 7: that was all that I want. I want That's the 559 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 7: thing I'm supposed to be doing. And then after that, 560 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 7: I don't think I went back to New York after 561 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 7: that summer for a few years. So that the because 562 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 7: I got into so much trouble so instantly by the 563 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 7: time eighth grade came around and I was fully in 564 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 7: that my life. I in the middle of that year, 565 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 7: I dropped. I dropped out of school in eighth grade. 566 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 7: I started getting arrested in the middle of that school year. 567 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 7: I went, you. 568 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 4: Get arrested like you were? You were just like, were 569 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 4: you vandal? Like what were you stealing? 570 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? 571 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: You're just stealing things. 572 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 2: Stealing to buyolence. 573 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, I mean I was just in a You 574 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 7: ever see Kids, Yeah, of course, Square Park? 575 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: That was us. Yeah. 576 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 7: I watched that movie like a documentary. It was like, 577 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 7: oh wow, I didn't know they got to go to raves. 578 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 7: Kids like this got to go to raves on the 579 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 7: East Coast. That sounds really fun. That was the only 580 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 7: difference was that they actually went to a cool party. 581 00:28:54,440 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 2: What was what was your tag? S A K E 582 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: and uh and I think ice D I s E. 583 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, some pronounced it sock. Mine was because I was 584 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 5: I was. I loved I was tagging like, I mean, 585 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 5: it's so ridiculous. I tagged like the Pacific Palisade stuff. 586 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I got, I got literally 587 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 2: he literally your name was four one K right. 588 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 4: He literally tagged like that, like on Sunset and like 589 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 4: Capri like. 590 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 5: The O P H O E was my tag. 591 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 7: Culturally appropriate to But early days, yeah, passionate about. 592 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: Even did you ever you never did? Did you me? No? No? 593 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: I never did. 594 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 7: No. 595 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 2: Well, there are the good kids in the family. Yeah, 596 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: I just remember Oliver. 597 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 4: I mean even I was like almost three years younger. 598 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 4: I was like, you're you're ridiculous, Like you're a joke. 599 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 2: I got, I got up. 600 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: I was like eight. I was like, this is absurd. 601 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 4: It was cool, and then and then and then he 602 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 4: had a dance. 603 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 5: Dance crow like hip hop was like you know, break dance. Yeah, 604 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 5: we were called the Rice Crispy Snap, Crackle and Pop 605 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 5: and we used to go to battle to all these 606 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 5: other dance crews at these underage clubs and yeah, it. 607 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: Was you gots, do you have any video? You got 608 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: to attach that to this, But like for more I 609 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: wish here, no way, it's nineteen ninety. 610 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: Two, yeah, but we have so much video now. 611 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 7: It was early nineties embarrassing identity crisis details. There was 612 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 7: a time when I was very young, before I really 613 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 7: got into trouble, when I wanted to, I thought I'd 614 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 7: start rapping, and uh, I'll be a rapper. And then 615 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 7: I was like, what will my rap name be? And 616 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 7: my my my name is Mosha, but my first name 617 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 7: is is An m as well. That's a that's for 618 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 7: the Patreon only listeners. What that name is, it's mark, 619 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 7: but it was marked. Most of the factor is my name. 620 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 2: So I thought, m m m m ah, I'll be Eminem. No, 621 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 2: it'd be a nice Uh. 622 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 7: So I really was like I am em And this 623 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 7: is before Eminem happened. I was like a kid in Oakland, going, 624 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 7: my name is Eminem or you gotta you gotta sue him, 625 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 7: you gotta see him for copyright. 626 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 2: You get so much, even a fraction. 627 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 5: But I was heavily into that too, Like we used to. 628 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 5: We used to just get so high and sit in 629 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 5: the car and just freestyle over breakbeats like that is 630 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 5: our night. 631 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 2: That's what we did. 632 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: You're actually really good, huge. 633 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,239 Speaker 5: Fat farm closed, triple five soul like gerrbo jeans like 634 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 5: I everything was so massive. 635 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: Isn't so familiar to me? 636 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 7: You know, the embarrassment that we felt it was just 637 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 7: so absurd. 638 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: All we had, like a Nissan. 639 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 5: I put all I had into the sound system, the 640 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 5: thing would like come off the ground. 641 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 7: Yeah. 642 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 4: It literally like was this tiny, little weird car that 643 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 4: like just vibrated through the palisades. 644 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 2: Like I just love the whole culture. I just still 645 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 2: love it. But it was I was just so obsessed 646 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 2: with it. 647 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: But you're a good freestyl we still you know what 648 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: was too. 649 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 7: I gotta say, while we're downing at our feelings, was 650 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 7: good at it. 651 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 2: Listen. 652 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 7: I mean, these are embarrassing times, but you know it's 653 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 7: funny you're talking about this stuff, and like all of 654 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 7: the fun that stuff sounds fun, like dancing and car 655 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 7: and sound systems, like my first interlude with that, I 656 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 7: feel like you were actually sort of entering the fun 657 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 7: parts of hip hop culture. And like the kids that 658 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 7: I grew up with in Oakland, like none of it 659 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 7: was fun. It was just kind of gross, and it 660 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 7: was it. Later when I got sober and I turned 661 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 7: my life around, which was still very young, then I 662 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 7: started I became like the rave impresario of San Francisco, 663 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 7: all sober, and that was actually where things got fun. 664 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 7: That's where the Triple five soul and the nice sound systems, 665 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 7: the good times and the dancing. That's where that all happened. 666 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 7: But the other stuff just sucked kind of and it 667 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 7: made things worse because David seemingly was thriving the entire time. 668 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 2: I was about to ask that. 669 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 5: I was about to ask that, like about David, like 670 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 5: when you're watching your younger brother go through this, like 671 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 5: how are you handling this? I mean, because you're not 672 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 5: really you don't have the capacity to sort of, you know, 673 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 5: sit down with him and have real conversation. 674 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 2: You're still young yourself, because he was so young. I mean, yeah, 675 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 2: for sure. 676 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 7: I think at first I just thought he was so stupid, 677 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 7: Like I was just first of all, like it's not 678 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 7: like I did nothing, but it was I never got 679 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 7: caught for anything. But I just thought it was like 680 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 7: like if you planned well, you didn't get caught for things. 681 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 7: But also he was just so chaotic that nobody was 682 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 7: paying attention to me. But I just still felt like, 683 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,919 Speaker 7: why are you always getting caught? Why are you always 684 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 7: screwing up? And I don't think it was until right 685 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 7: Like I was a kid too, and I don't think 686 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 7: it was until like the end of high school, in 687 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 7: the beginning of college, and then being in college and 688 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 7: hearing reports from back home and starting to realize like, 689 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 7: oh my gosh, there's like a real problem here. 690 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 2: You know. 691 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, where were you in college? 692 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 2: I went to Wesleyan. Okay, so you across the country. 693 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, how is that for you? 694 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 2: Good? You mean? Yeah? 695 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 7: I mean I I was at I was trying to 696 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 7: still kind of trying to get back to the East Coast, 697 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 7: back to my dad. Like that was a big propulsion 698 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 7: for me. But then once I got to college, I 699 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 7: think that was the time when I escaped all of 700 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,240 Speaker 7: the real the religious question. 701 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: I remember growing up. 702 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 7: I don't know if you felt this way motion, but 703 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 7: I felt like, Okay, I'm going to be eighteen. Like 704 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 7: I felt like the divorce, the terms of the divorce 705 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 7: were the terms of my life, and so like I 706 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 7: had to go back and forth between these two very 707 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 7: different worlds. And then I had this feeling from when 708 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 7: I was a little kid, like when you're eighteen, you 709 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 7: have to decide whether you're going to be religious or 710 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 7: secular or you know, hippie or did you put. 711 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 2: This on yourself though? 712 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 7: Or was this I think I just thought like, oh, well, 713 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 7: once you're eighteen, you decide for yourself, and like I 714 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 7: had been always going back and forth, but I would 715 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 7: have to like decide this and side with one parent. 716 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 7: That's just the way I could think I saw the world. 717 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 2: I also think I also think David, that our. 718 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 7: Our dad and our family was set up in such 719 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,879 Speaker 7: a way that it was like your mother has kept 720 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 7: you from the king, right, and that's just the way 721 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 7: it is. But there is a time at which you 722 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 7: can walk through the gates and you can be this 723 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 7: kind of person. I don't know if my dad did 724 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 7: it purpose. He never laid a religious trip on us once, 725 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 7: to his credit, like it was never about like your 726 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 7: sinful living that life back there. Never it was always 727 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 7: like this is so awesome and it's so it's too 728 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 7: bad that you can't be in it with us. 729 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 2: And so I think on some level, yeah, I. 730 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 7: Knew that it was a rejection earlier in my life 731 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 7: than David did. David didn't, ultimately, I think, feel that rejection, 732 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 7: but I knew I wasn't going to do it. But 733 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 7: I do think there was a crossroads that all that 734 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 7: we knew we were facing, and it was what was 735 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 7: our destiny going to be. Was it going to be 736 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 7: in this world of God or in this world of 737 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 7: California News or whatever. 738 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 6: I am in? 739 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 7: I yeah, And when so I went to college, I 740 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,720 Speaker 7: felt like, oh, now I'm eighteen, I'm going to decide 741 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 7: one of these or the other. And then like very quickly, 742 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 7: I think my college years were my wild years, because 743 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 7: suddenly I was like, oh, I don't have to think 744 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 7: about this stuff at all. I mean, it's interesting the 745 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 7: way you discribe most so like kind of being chaotic 746 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,720 Speaker 7: and wild as a way of not actually thinking about, 747 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 7: like making major choices about your life and who you are. 748 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 7: And college was definitely like an escape. And then soon 749 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 7: after college, my dad died and then that kind of 750 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 7: catapulted me back into all these questions. And I was 751 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 7: very quickly, like in grief but also in trying to 752 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 7: figure everything out. I was like in a Yeshiba, like 753 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 7: a seminary in Israel, and I just sort of dove 754 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 7: in the deep end and then found, you know, my 755 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:29,919 Speaker 7: way back to somewhere in the middle. 756 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 5: And that's sort of how you not dealt with your 757 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 5: father's death, but that he propelled you to sort of, 758 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 5: you know, go go that way. 759 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 7: Yeah, it was all wrapped up for me because, like 760 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 7: I do think I was really drawn to the spirituality 761 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 7: behind it all. But it was all embodied in my 762 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 7: father and what he had write, because we hadn't really 763 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 7: grown up that way. He was just this figure in 764 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 7: the distance that was like living this life. And so yeah, 765 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 7: like it's very hard for me to separate that. I mean, 766 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 7: at this point, you know, I think I have my 767 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 7: own relationship tip to it. But at that time, it 768 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 7: was like the grief for my father and the religious 769 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 7: legacy that he left behind and what I was trying 770 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 7: to be in the world, all of that just felt 771 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 7: like totally jumbled up, and I was just kind of 772 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 7: trying to like stumble my way through it. 773 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: How did he pass away? 774 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 2: He had cancer? I killed him. No, I didn't know. 775 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 2: You're out religion, Yeah, they're kind of yet. But when you. 776 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 5: When your dad died, When dad died, how did you 777 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 5: handle it? You know, I mean, was that Well this 778 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,720 Speaker 5: is interesting in hearing. 779 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 7: I mean, I know David's narrative with this, uh, because 780 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,879 Speaker 7: I watched it and I saw it happen and then 781 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 7: but what's interesting is that our paths, I mean, David 782 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 7: and I have been. Were very close, and like our 783 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 7: paths were intertwined, obviously literally, but also like you know, 784 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 7: because we had this singular childhood experience, I feel like 785 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 7: both David and I, even or angles were slightly different. 786 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 7: We both had the sense of like, you're the only 787 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 7: other human being on earth that understands this thing that 788 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 7: were that were this battle were in with the deaf, 789 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 7: sidckness and the kind of bizarre soup that was our background, 790 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 7: and so we were very close as a result of that. 791 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 7: But you know, I had my thing and he had 792 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 7: his thing, and when and when my dad died, you know, 793 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 7: at that point I was sober and I was like 794 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 7: on a path of self improvement and stuff. And I 795 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 7: think that both David and I sought solace in the 796 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,879 Speaker 7: religion of our father, Like I know for sure that 797 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 7: was when I was able to grief through the strictures 798 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 7: of religious Judaism was the thing that got me through it, 799 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 7: because religion's like religion, all religion, but especially Judaism is 800 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 7: like the absolute perfect thing for grief because they tell 801 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 7: you what to do, and when you're in that kind 802 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 7: of grief, you truly don't know what to do. And 803 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 7: so David and I would go to temple to say 804 00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 7: like the Mourner's prayer on Friday nights, and David will 805 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 7: go every day, but I would go on Friday nights 806 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 7: and and I got to forge my own, what felt 807 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 7: like my own connection to that religion for the first 808 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 7: time in my life. And that stuff that happened to 809 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 7: me in those grief years are still ambiently a part 810 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 7: of my life. And that's when I sort of started 811 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 7: to feel like I could wear the religion. It wasn't dichotomous, 812 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 7: you know, I felt dichotomy. It felt like that there 813 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 7: was a choice, and then in the end there wasn't 814 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 7: a choice, and I could wear it like a loose 815 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 7: garment and I could forge and create my own relationship 816 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 7: with this, with this thing. 817 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 2: And that's still in my life today still, right. 818 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, But most you just you just said a 819 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 7: really deep thing, I think, I mean, especially since we 820 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 7: have some eye towards like a sibling relationship, like what 821 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 7: you said about how especially in a divorce, you have 822 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 7: one other sibling you really feel like that's the person 823 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 7: who gets my life, and like we had this very 824 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 7: divided kind of life. But most was the other person 825 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 7: who really understood that and though we made totally different 826 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 7: choices around it. I think you're right, Mosha, that it 827 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 7: was so it was so clear to me why someone 828 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 7: would deal with that data the way Mosha did, and 829 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 7: I think clear to him the way like how I 830 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 7: might make the choices I would make. And I think 831 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 7: it that's that's a lasting like, that's a thing that 832 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 7: that I think stays with Like I have a I 833 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 7: have a I have a great appreciation for, like a 834 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 7: rejection of religion, And I think Mosha has a certain 835 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 7: sympathy for an embrace of religion in a way that 836 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 7: somebody else in our path might not because of that. 837 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 2: Really simple understanding. 838 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 5: Interesting, interesting way to say that you have sort of 839 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 5: compassion for rejection of religion. That's that's that's really interesting. 840 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 2: Actually the given way, Well, he was raised in a 841 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,280 Speaker 2: secular world. 842 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean he's you know, and I think like 843 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 7: and I and I was, I'm a secular guy that 844 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 7: was raised in a religious world in some bizarre way. 845 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 7: Like I would even take it a step further, David 846 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 7: and say, I don't I not only understand why you 847 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 7: make that while your life led you on the path 848 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 7: that it's led you on. 849 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 2: I've always kind of I feel like you're. 850 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 7: Doing it for like in my name in a weird way, 851 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 7: like I honor the choice one hundred percent because I'm like, oh, 852 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 7: he did it, like he did the thing. He went 853 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 7: that route that was was offered to us. It was 854 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 7: never going to be me. I just always felt it 855 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 7: wasn't just not gonna happen. That wasn't gonna happen for me. 856 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 7: And so I'm not like I get why you did it. 857 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 7: I'm like grateful that you did it because it like 858 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,800 Speaker 7: carries on that part of the legacy of our family 859 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 7: in a way. 860 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 2: Right. That's interesting. 861 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 5: He sort of took the bullet in a sense as 862 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 5: you did the comedy route. So you know that's another 863 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,399 Speaker 5: way to say, right, but you get to take care 864 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 5: of the comedy. You know, you're doing it for me. 865 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 7: He's doing it for me exactly, for both of us, exactly. 866 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 2: I'm surprised he doesn't write bits for you right now? 867 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: Do you write bits. 868 00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 5: For day, bits for David for It's like, you know, 869 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 5: the truth is, David is we both have the skill 870 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 5: of the other person to some degree, Like I do 871 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 5: know how I do know and am passionate about like sincerity. 872 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,720 Speaker 7: And you know, if you if you read my book, 873 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,319 Speaker 7: like a lot of that is non comedy and it's 874 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 7: it's actual. 875 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,359 Speaker 2: You know, it's a tough it's a tough read in 876 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,760 Speaker 2: some ways. Uh. 877 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 7: And David is definitely genuinely a funny rabbi, Like he 878 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 7: genuinely is a funny person. 879 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 2: I mean, it's so I think we both know. 880 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 7: I've never written a joke for David, but but he's 881 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 7: probably written a joke for me. He came up my book, yeah, 882 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 7: doing it like a like a like a quick five. 883 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, just tell you this. 884 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 7: I'll tell you this when I hear him do a 885 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 7: sermon at his temple. I definitely am punching it up 886 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 7: in my mind. Like we've be in a great place. 887 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 7: But I'm I'm so aware of bad rabbi humor that 888 00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 7: I'm a great admirer of comedy, but I actually do 889 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,880 Speaker 7: my best not to bring it on the pulp. 890 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 2: But because it just feels like ick most of the time. 891 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 5: Looking at your two brothers, and as we still always 892 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 5: said this in the beginning, you know, you guys, oh, 893 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 5: we were in such different parts of the world as 894 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 5: far as sort of what we do for a living. 895 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 2: But the Rabbis are performers at a heart. 896 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 5: I mean every temple I've been to, every sermon I've seen, 897 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:19,839 Speaker 5: it's a performance. 898 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 2: I mean it's a performance. 899 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:22,280 Speaker 8: Yeah. 900 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 7: Well, and the and the trippy thing I think is 901 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 7: that we also are both verbal performers for a living, 902 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,720 Speaker 7: and our parents were dead, And that's kind of striking 903 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 7: that we both kind of talked for a living and 904 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 7: we didn't. That wasn't our first you know, like language experience. 905 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 4: Do you sign as you do your when you're working? 906 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 7: No, no, no no if I yeah, I can't. I 907 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 7: can't do both at once. So if if my. 908 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,440 Speaker 2: Mom is there, I have an interpreter there. But Mosha, 909 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 2: is that what you did for a minute? You were 910 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,319 Speaker 2: an interpreter. I was an interpreter for a long time. Yeah. 911 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 7: Before I became a full time comic, I was a 912 00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 7: sign language interpreter. 913 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 2: And it was that was that was the best. That 914 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 2: was the greatest comedy. 915 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,360 Speaker 7: It was my you know, for it's funny because we 916 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 7: grew up, like I said, like, we grew up pretty 917 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 7: we grew up on welfare, pretty damn poor, like and 918 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 7: I was an eighth grade dropout. You know, and I 919 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 7: never kind of got past that until I finally at 920 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,839 Speaker 7: some point went to college. Like the economic futures were 921 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 7: not bright for me, but in reality, I went from 922 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 7: I had two jobs I had sort of I went 923 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,760 Speaker 7: I was a bear. I dressed up in a bear costume. 924 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 7: So I got my starting show business early. That was 925 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,279 Speaker 7: my first job was bear costume. And my second job, 926 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,879 Speaker 7: which I did until I became a full time stand up, 927 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,360 Speaker 7: was a sign language interpreter. And so like the weird 928 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,840 Speaker 7: fallout that kind of created, you know, the economic depression 929 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 7: in our family in the end, made me as a 930 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 7: very young person. Seventeen is when I started interpreting. Have 931 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,360 Speaker 7: a pretty good job for a person my age, like 932 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,759 Speaker 7: I always like. It gave me this like kind of 933 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 7: and it was the thing that got me directly to 934 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 7: being able to chase my dream of being a comedian 935 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 7: because it was I was making enough money and I 936 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 7: could take time off when I wanted. 937 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 2: It was kind of the perfect job. Mm hm cool, So. 938 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 5: Real quick, man, it's just going over thinking about these 939 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 5: sort of where you went and the rehabs you went 940 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 5: to and the sort of institutions that you were put into. 941 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 5: You know, do you think that it was overkill? Do 942 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,840 Speaker 5: you think that you need a response to me? 943 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:30,919 Speaker 2: Yeah? 944 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,880 Speaker 5: Do you think that it was that you were getting 945 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 5: put into these institutions? Do you think that it was 946 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,760 Speaker 5: you were just being thrown around and it is into 947 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,320 Speaker 5: the system in a sense and not actually being taken 948 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 5: care of on a one on one personal basis. And 949 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 5: I'm only saying this because when I read all your stuff, 950 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 5: there were so many of them, I'm like, holy shit, 951 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 5: you know what's going on here? 952 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,360 Speaker 7: Well, uh, that's a complicated question for me to answer 953 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,240 Speaker 7: because of the answer is definitely both yes and no. Because, 954 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 7: on the one hand, you know, as a sound language 955 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,320 Speaker 7: interpret I got the opportunity to interpret it at middle schools, 956 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,399 Speaker 7: you know. And so I would be at a middle 957 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 7: school and be looking at the kids and going, Okay. 958 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,840 Speaker 2: I wasn't like that. I was. I was genuinely a 959 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,640 Speaker 2: really troubled kid. 960 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 7: Like I could look at that and go, yeah, I 961 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 7: was on a different vibration of trouble than the kids 962 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,680 Speaker 7: I'm looking at here. I'm sure I'm not saying they 963 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,480 Speaker 7: had it easy, but I just in terms of the 964 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,840 Speaker 7: out loudness of my chaos, I was really really a 965 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,759 Speaker 7: troubled kid. On the other hand, like you know, we 966 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 7: said that she up to be a born again hippie. 967 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 7: But the truth is, my mom's religion was therapy. And 968 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:44,320 Speaker 7: that's just the analysis. They called it. It was an analysis. 969 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 7: I remember those moms. 970 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she she worshiped at the altar of therapy. 971 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,719 Speaker 7: And and so her answer to me starting to get 972 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 7: in trouble was just increased therapy, like more therapy. And 973 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 7: so I was in at certain at a certain point 974 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,840 Speaker 7: in my youth, this is true. I was in therapy 975 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 7: eight times a week, more times than there are days 976 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 7: I had I had. I was in an after school 977 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,760 Speaker 7: rehab five days a week. I was in individual therapy, 978 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 7: family therapy, and then there was a group therapy session 979 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 7: for like wayward boys or whatever. So I was and 980 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,279 Speaker 7: then what happens is, you know, a lot of like 981 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,440 Speaker 7: there's a lot of talk of like the prison, the 982 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 7: school to prison pipeline that happens to a lot of 983 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 7: like communities of color and black communities and Latino communities. 984 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 7: That's a very real and this, you know, everybody knows 985 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,879 Speaker 7: about that phenomenon. For me, I got into this thing 986 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,320 Speaker 7: that I don't know how many other people I have 987 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,160 Speaker 7: ever experienced with. It was the special education to prison pipeline. 988 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 7: Like what it's because we my mom's worshiped at therapy. 989 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,560 Speaker 7: The the the the problem that was me had to 990 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,759 Speaker 7: be solved through therapeutic means, and so I was put 991 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 7: into institutions and put into therapy and put on medication 992 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 7: and everything had an increase, and then put into the 993 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 7: special education system because they decided I had learning disabilities. 994 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,480 Speaker 7: So I was once you get shunted into the special 995 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 7: education system, you go down this road that I went 996 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,560 Speaker 7: further down that road then a lot of people go. 997 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 7: But it's a very it can be a very dark road, 998 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,440 Speaker 7: especially if you are in fact not being served. You know, 999 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,120 Speaker 7: like if you have real learning disabilities, that can be 1000 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,720 Speaker 7: really liberating. But for me, maybe I did have those things, 1001 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 7: but all of a sudden, I started going to a 1002 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,280 Speaker 7: special education class. Then I got kicked out of that school. 1003 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 7: So I went to like a special education school. Then 1004 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 7: I got kicked out of that school. So I went 1005 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,759 Speaker 7: to this thing called a seed school, which is a 1006 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 7: severely emotionally disturbed school, which was literally like a mental hospital, 1007 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 7: but in an education. 1008 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,600 Speaker 5: You felt like you had it setting though I mean, 1009 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,480 Speaker 5: did you feel like you were severely. 1010 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 7: No. I knew I didn't belong there, but I also 1011 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 7: didn't have the ability to do anything in the regular 1012 00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,600 Speaker 7: setting that would get me to get my shit together, 1013 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,759 Speaker 7: and so I I was like lost, and I could 1014 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,160 Speaker 7: see where it was going, you know, I really like 1015 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,319 Speaker 7: look down the road and I go, oh, I see 1016 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 7: where this lands me. I'm I'm And that was sort 1017 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,680 Speaker 7: of one of the big realizations I had before I 1018 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:16,320 Speaker 7: got sober, is like I kept saying, And actually, David 1019 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,520 Speaker 7: is a perfect person to have on for this realization, 1020 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,279 Speaker 7: because David was the road less travel you know, I 1021 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 7: would just look at him and I would go, oh, okay, 1022 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 7: I'm just like I'm a couple decisions away from becoming David, 1023 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,000 Speaker 7: Like I just and he went to this school called CPS, 1024 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,640 Speaker 7: which was a really good school, and I just had 1025 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,640 Speaker 7: this illusion that I was just going to get it 1026 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 7: all together and I'll just be at CPS, like I 1027 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,080 Speaker 7: get the scholarship he got. I like my destiny could 1028 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,960 Speaker 7: be that, and I just couldn't do it. Like I 1029 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,560 Speaker 7: just couldn't do it, and you know, I'm I dropped 1030 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,760 Speaker 7: out of eighth grade. I flunked ninth grade I dropped 1031 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 7: out of I flunked ninth grade I think three times. 1032 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,239 Speaker 7: So it was like, you know, I was I was 1033 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,520 Speaker 7: on the road to becoming that like you know, cool 1034 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,800 Speaker 7: senior with a beard and a Chamarah, you know, with 1035 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,960 Speaker 7: your pissan, you know, like pressing all the all the threat. 1036 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 2: I just and I had. It was bad. 1037 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,960 Speaker 7: It was bad, and I just had this realization like, oh, 1038 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,960 Speaker 7: nothing is going to change if I don't change something. 1039 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 7: And that was sort of the. 1040 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,799 Speaker 2: Beginning of the unraveling of. 1041 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,320 Speaker 7: My illusion that the people around me were my problem 1042 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,160 Speaker 7: and that if they just leave me alone, I could 1043 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 7: get it together. And so then I got sober and 1044 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 7: everything changed. And now I'm forty two years old and 1045 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:32,920 Speaker 7: I'm I've been sober. 1046 00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:33,279 Speaker 2: A long time. 1047 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:38,520 Speaker 7: And now looking back on that, the answer is definitely 1048 00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,319 Speaker 7: it could have been done differently. And I do think 1049 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,319 Speaker 7: that I wasn't served by the amount of like you know, 1050 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:51,719 Speaker 7: force feedy, waterboarding, of torture, of therapy and medication and 1051 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,320 Speaker 7: special education and therapist. 1052 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 2: It just made me. 1053 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,600 Speaker 7: The more analyzed I got, the more diseased I felt. 1054 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 7: So the answers both, Yes, it could have been different, 1055 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 7: but nobody could have made the right choice. 1056 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,719 Speaker 4: Where did David, how did you fit into that in 1057 00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,480 Speaker 4: that in this period? I know you were in college, 1058 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,600 Speaker 4: but like, did was there anything that like did you 1059 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,719 Speaker 4: feel a desire to intervene or try to help or 1060 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:17,439 Speaker 4: were you just. 1061 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,520 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think yeah, Like I said, I think when 1062 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,760 Speaker 7: we were young, I was just like sort of iroll, 1063 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,040 Speaker 7: like what's wrong with you? Like get it together? And 1064 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,560 Speaker 7: then I started like yeah, once around the time that 1065 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,520 Speaker 7: everything was kind of crashing and burning, I started to 1066 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,880 Speaker 7: feel worried, like maybe this is like maybe I was 1067 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,480 Speaker 7: gonna have a brother just like not gonna not going 1068 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 7: to turn out well. And I was already in college 1069 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,560 Speaker 7: at that point, so I was like kind of far 1070 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,839 Speaker 7: from it, and and God, bless my mom. I mean 1071 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,640 Speaker 7: she's just you know, she maybe over therapies them, but 1072 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,759 Speaker 7: she threw everything she had at you know, supporting him. 1073 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,600 Speaker 2: And did you I fear that he was going to 1074 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,799 Speaker 2: not make it, meaning he's gonna end up dead. 1075 00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,640 Speaker 7: Yeah we're dead, or like yeah, maybe dead, but but 1076 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,560 Speaker 7: but maybe like in just like a loser, like or 1077 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 7: just like just barely floating above the surface, or maybe 1078 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 7: in jail or maybe yeah. 1079 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,600 Speaker 2: Like just someone who's not going to do well. 1080 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,480 Speaker 7: And I, you know, most is like a brilliant guy, 1081 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,640 Speaker 7: always has been, and I could see like it was 1082 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,120 Speaker 7: obvious that he, you know, it is like one or 1083 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,239 Speaker 7: two decisions away, except that like most would make the 1084 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,960 Speaker 7: wrong decision so consistently that after a while, it's like 1085 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,680 Speaker 7: a thousand bad decisions leads to just like a bad life. 1086 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,920 Speaker 7: So yeah, I mean it's like the sad part in 1087 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,560 Speaker 7: all this is that I was like a lock to 1088 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,200 Speaker 7: be the most successful sibling, like. 1089 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,960 Speaker 2: That was always my inheritance. 1090 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 7: And then they like turned all of this into a 1091 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:41,839 Speaker 7: comedic career, and now like. 1092 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,239 Speaker 5: Well, I was going to ask that mush, like, when 1093 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 5: you're going through all this shit and you're being sort 1094 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,120 Speaker 5: of thrown and thrown therapied at you and institutionalized, did 1095 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,440 Speaker 5: comedy play a part in sort of getting through this 1096 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,279 Speaker 5: in any way? Or were you so were you not 1097 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,680 Speaker 5: even there yet? Or was funny still a part of it? 1098 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,440 Speaker 5: Were are you funny one hundred percent? 1099 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,360 Speaker 7: If you are going to be of all the different 1100 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,040 Speaker 7: places I didn't fit, If you are going to be 1101 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,520 Speaker 7: the white boy in the black school, like you've got 1102 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:18,360 Speaker 7: very limited choices for social survival. One is to be 1103 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,719 Speaker 7: as white as you possibly can and like sort of 1104 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,719 Speaker 7: cove up and just be like we're waiting till we 1105 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,319 Speaker 7: get into the private high school. And that was not 1106 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:32,440 Speaker 7: That's David, and the other is other would be to 1107 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 7: be you know, to be like find a way to 1108 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,399 Speaker 7: be fully accepted by the kids there, and that wasn't 1109 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,040 Speaker 7: quite going to be. So the third option was just 1110 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,839 Speaker 7: to get be able to make get some attention by 1111 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 7: being funny. And I one hundred percent think that you know, 1112 00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,360 Speaker 7: the earth like the foundations of my stand up or 1113 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,400 Speaker 7: my years in AA and my years in the Oakland 1114 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,560 Speaker 7: Public school system figuring out how to come back when 1115 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,239 Speaker 7: somebody makes fun of you, because you know, the kids 1116 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,359 Speaker 7: in the school they were funnier than I was, so 1117 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,239 Speaker 7: I had to something out. 1118 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:03,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't a beautiful. 1119 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,120 Speaker 5: Thing, though, I mean, without without everything that you've been through, 1120 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,279 Speaker 5: you wouldn't have what you have and be who you are. 1121 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,080 Speaker 5: I mean that's very cliche to say, but it's just 1122 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,240 Speaker 5: the truth. You cut your teeth on your own experiences. Really, 1123 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 5: you cut your teeth on your own pain, you know, 1124 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,640 Speaker 5: I mean it's pretty rare. 1125 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:18,280 Speaker 7: Yeah. 1126 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:18,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1127 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,520 Speaker 7: The crazy thing about listening to most of his comedy 1128 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,600 Speaker 7: is that like he's I mean, it's like there's a 1129 00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,400 Speaker 7: comedic style and it's embellished, but he's like just telling 1130 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,239 Speaker 7: like I know that he's just telling the truth up there, 1131 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:30,840 Speaker 7: you know what I mean. It's just like he tells 1132 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,520 Speaker 7: stories in a funny way, but there's like he's just 1133 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,560 Speaker 7: like telling his story on stage. H Well, they say 1134 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,720 Speaker 7: that a lot of people say, I'm like the number 1135 00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,680 Speaker 7: one truth teller in comedy. That's like what a lot 1136 00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,560 Speaker 7: of people say about me and stuff. So that's the 1137 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,000 Speaker 7: thing that everyone else says. Yeah, and they want to 1138 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,279 Speaker 7: put that in the blurb for the podcast number one 1139 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:49,960 Speaker 7: truth Teller. 1140 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,799 Speaker 2: But I mean I think David did that too. 1141 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,359 Speaker 7: I mean I think David alchemized his pain and his 1142 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,239 Speaker 7: alienation to find for really interesting spiritual path. 1143 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,560 Speaker 2: I think we all kind to do some version of that. 1144 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,560 Speaker 7: And like to circle back to your last question, I 1145 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,520 Speaker 7: could have been done different I was thinking about it, like, yes, 1146 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,399 Speaker 7: my mother could have done it differently and it would 1147 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,560 Speaker 7: have been better. But no human being would have been 1148 00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,040 Speaker 7: able to make the right decision based on the input 1149 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,160 Speaker 7: they were getting from me till we could have done it. 1150 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,399 Speaker 2: But it could have been done. I've been while you've 1151 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,240 Speaker 2: been telling your story. 1152 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,000 Speaker 5: I've been putting myself sort of in your mother's shoes 1153 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:25,839 Speaker 5: because I have a fifteen year old and a twelve 1154 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,480 Speaker 5: year old boy, and I can't even imagine if they're 1155 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,359 Speaker 5: dropping out of fucking eighth grade and not in I mean. 1156 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,320 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't even know how it hands. 1157 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:34,560 Speaker 2: I don't know how to handle it. 1158 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:39,000 Speaker 5: I don't I don't know empathetically, how I would even 1159 00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:39,920 Speaker 5: what I would even do. 1160 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,600 Speaker 2: I would kill them, I mean maybe i'd kill them. 1161 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,440 Speaker 2: I don't, I mean you would. I mean it was screaming, 1162 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:46,520 Speaker 2: like you know. 1163 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,480 Speaker 1: I definitely have more anxiety. 1164 00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,719 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'd probably just run you definitely. 1165 00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 5: I probably go find our biological father and just live 1166 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,800 Speaker 5: with him. 1167 00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,719 Speaker 4: One of the hardest things in life, you know, but 1168 00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:06,239 Speaker 4: then is to watch your children struggle and you know 1169 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,160 Speaker 4: that it's coming from something painful. 1170 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,160 Speaker 1: I mean, all of that must have been just so 1171 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:12,960 Speaker 1: challenging for her, you. 1172 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:17,120 Speaker 2: Know, as job. Yeah. 1173 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:22,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, And there's there's the famous every death. Every person 1174 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,840 Speaker 7: with deaf parents has this experience, although I might have 1175 00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,800 Speaker 7: had a slightly more cue, which is that you as 1176 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,240 Speaker 7: you're navigating through systems like this, you know there needs 1177 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,920 Speaker 7: to be an interpreter. Everywhere, every therapy session, every every arrest, 1178 00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,960 Speaker 7: every arraignment, every court hearing, every rehab thing, all there 1179 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,240 Speaker 7: is need an interpreter, and half the time they just 1180 00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,360 Speaker 7: didn't remember to get one. And so I had the 1181 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:48,360 Speaker 7: unique experience of being asked to translate, uh a meeting 1182 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,560 Speaker 7: about which I was the subject and my behavior issues 1183 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,480 Speaker 7: were the subject, and so you have to That's a 1184 00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,720 Speaker 7: fun experience to kind of figure a way to go. 1185 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, often manipulated a little bit. 1186 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,560 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you're, let's all telling the law truth. 1187 00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,880 Speaker 2: But you can't. He's a good kid. 1188 00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,960 Speaker 7: No, you can't go he's a good kid because our 1189 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,600 Speaker 7: mom's not dumb. So if you were like, he's a 1190 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,040 Speaker 7: good kid, should be like, why the fuck did you 1191 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:11,960 Speaker 7: bring me into this meeting? 1192 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,120 Speaker 2: Then so you got to be like, you. 1193 00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,240 Speaker 7: Know, he's not a good kid, but like, honestly he's 1194 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,560 Speaker 7: misunderstood in any ways, he's a good. 1195 00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,200 Speaker 4: I'm going to go out on a limb. Hear an 1196 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,680 Speaker 4: amount of therapy. I might not have had eight days 1197 00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,920 Speaker 4: a week if therapy, but not far not far, uh 1198 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,520 Speaker 4: pretty close. But but the I will say that there 1199 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 4: must have been something, especially when you're younger to be 1200 00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,280 Speaker 4: doing that, you become your own witness. So like as 1201 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,080 Speaker 4: as you're having to translate what's going, it's like there's 1202 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,560 Speaker 4: your reactivity has to stop because you're translating. So you 1203 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,640 Speaker 4: actually are processing and probably processed a lot of that 1204 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,680 Speaker 4: differently than most children would. 1205 00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,600 Speaker 1: That's just me thinking about the brain that that. 1206 00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,600 Speaker 7: As actually like a better explanation for like like the 1207 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,840 Speaker 7: kind of very verbal qualities of our lives, you know, 1208 00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,120 Speaker 7: or in our careers. Then I was just like that 1209 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,280 Speaker 7: was sort of wondering about that, like, oh, we've been 1210 00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,680 Speaker 7: we had death parents, but you actually we're doing translation 1211 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,200 Speaker 7: all the time. And I think you're right that that 1212 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,080 Speaker 7: mode is like of switching back into totally. I mean 1213 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,080 Speaker 7: you're saying it has a therapeutic effect, which is you're 1214 00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:18,800 Speaker 7: able to observe, and it also I think just as 1215 00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,680 Speaker 7: a cognitive like you become a translator. 1216 00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,400 Speaker 4: Right, yes, and then and then you see, as we know, 1217 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,840 Speaker 4: like when you become your own witness is when change 1218 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:30,040 Speaker 4: can happen. 1219 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:37,040 Speaker 1: Or where it's where it starts, and and so that just. 1220 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,520 Speaker 4: The very fact that that was a part of the 1221 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,760 Speaker 4: experience might be something interesting. Might be that moment when 1222 00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,880 Speaker 4: you said, you know when you were saying I was 1223 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,560 Speaker 4: reading you know when you were saying it just happened 1224 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:50,160 Speaker 4: like one day. 1225 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,160 Speaker 1: It just like was like, Oh, that's it, it's done. 1226 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,760 Speaker 7: You're saying, maybe it was like subconsciously being laced in 1227 00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,800 Speaker 7: through all of that stuff. I mean, I think that 1228 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,720 Speaker 7: interesting And I yeah, what do to? What do I owe? 1229 01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,080 Speaker 7: I mean because I grew up with a lot of 1230 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,360 Speaker 7: kids that did die or did go to prison, and 1231 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,280 Speaker 7: a lot of people that I, you know, got sober 1232 01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,560 Speaker 7: with didn't make it. And like I always think there's 1233 01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,040 Speaker 7: that big question, like to what do I owe? The clarity? 1234 01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,240 Speaker 7: Is it because I'm so smart? Is it because I'm 1235 01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,120 Speaker 7: destined for good things? Like was the guy sitting next 1236 01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,880 Speaker 7: to me not not destined for that is destiny? 1237 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:24,520 Speaker 2: Was to die? 1238 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:29,360 Speaker 7: Like what is it that granted me the privilege of perspective? 1239 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,520 Speaker 7: And maybe it is that Maybe it is all the like, 1240 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:39,600 Speaker 7: h the experiential perspective that was forced down my throat 1241 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:43,880 Speaker 7: gave me that little bit of extra rot to be able. 1242 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,280 Speaker 4: To or what it or it trained your brain just trained, 1243 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,040 Speaker 4: possibly trained your brain to be able to take the 1244 01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:55,560 Speaker 4: space instead of constantly be doing reacting. 1245 01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,520 Speaker 1: I don't know interesting, it just came up for me. 1246 01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,560 Speaker 7: I'm it's it's but I think it's also it's not 1247 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,480 Speaker 7: just the interpreting. It's also like, well the other stuff, 1248 01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,480 Speaker 7: like about living in two different realities growing up. And 1249 01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,880 Speaker 7: I think a lot of us have this, like you know, 1250 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,920 Speaker 7: all kinds of like switching from culture to culture and 1251 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,240 Speaker 7: code to code and just sort of like growing up 1252 01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,760 Speaker 7: in a kind of a mash up society. I think 1253 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,200 Speaker 7: that like that that does train our brains in a 1254 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,880 Speaker 7: certain way to be like, yeah, I think there's something 1255 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,120 Speaker 7: good about it. Like for all of the confusion that 1256 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,960 Speaker 7: it can cause a kid trying to like you know, 1257 01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,480 Speaker 7: make make their way in the world, there's also something 1258 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:38,600 Speaker 7: that like it fosters a certain kind of sensitivity, tolerance, 1259 01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,760 Speaker 7: maybe awareness that you that you don't have if you 1260 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,320 Speaker 7: just grow up kind of monolithically. 1261 01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:48,320 Speaker 5: It's really really spot on. What do you guys have kids? Sorry, 1262 01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:48,960 Speaker 5: you have kids? 1263 01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,800 Speaker 2: I don't. I have a kid. I have one kid. 1264 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,200 Speaker 1: How old are your kid? 1265 01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,400 Speaker 2: Four and three quarters? She will tell you vociferously if 1266 01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:58,240 Speaker 2: you tell her, she's. 1267 01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,880 Speaker 4: Fot we have a four year old before. It's the 1268 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,160 Speaker 4: funniest age. I just love it, especially for girls. Because 1269 01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,200 Speaker 4: they're just becoming completely their own person. 1270 01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,280 Speaker 2: Do you have fear raising kids? 1271 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I you know, on the one hand, I 1272 01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,880 Speaker 7: don't because I go, I really feel even when we 1273 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,520 Speaker 7: have this conversation. I've had this conversation. Obviously, I've talked 1274 01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,880 Speaker 7: about my past a lot because I wrote a fucking 1275 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,040 Speaker 7: book about it. But I always feels like I'm reporting 1276 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,520 Speaker 7: on a stranger on some level, Like it always feels 1277 01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,280 Speaker 7: like I don't even know that kid anymore. Like it 1278 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,840 Speaker 7: feels I feel like I've done I've come so far, 1279 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:42,720 Speaker 7: and I'm it just doesn't feel like my reality, like 1280 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,400 Speaker 7: it's in my that whole idea, like it's in my 1281 01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:49,200 Speaker 7: DNA kind of. Yet every time my kid takes a 1282 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,800 Speaker 7: turn into a behavioral news zone where she becomes a 1283 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,840 Speaker 7: bigger brat, I go, okay. 1284 01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,240 Speaker 2: We're here, it's a right, pharma, farma. 1285 01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:57,000 Speaker 8: Now. 1286 01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,760 Speaker 7: This is for new is now, This this is the beginning, 1287 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,720 Speaker 7: This is not a phase. This is the new. This 1288 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,000 Speaker 7: is it, you see. But also she is so much 1289 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,720 Speaker 7: like motion. I mean not in any of these no 1290 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,560 Speaker 7: bad like victors yet, but for sure she's doing great. 1291 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,880 Speaker 7: But as a character and as like an energy, she's 1292 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,960 Speaker 7: just so Mosha's child. 1293 01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,560 Speaker 5: I know, you mean, it's like, oh my god, now 1294 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,600 Speaker 5: this is who this fucking thick kid is. 1295 01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:25,840 Speaker 2: And then now I'm screwed. 1296 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,520 Speaker 5: And then you notice in three, four or five months 1297 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,400 Speaker 5: it just shifts, you know, but you do worry. 1298 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,520 Speaker 2: It's like nature nurture, you know, is that is that 1299 01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:34,520 Speaker 2: DNA in there? 1300 01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:34,920 Speaker 8: You know? 1301 01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:36,280 Speaker 2: And do we have this is? 1302 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:41,000 Speaker 4: I always say it, yeah, yeah, well we just we 1303 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,680 Speaker 4: We interviewed this woman who found out she had thirty 1304 01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:49,440 Speaker 4: five siblings and so that nature nurture came into question, 1305 01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,160 Speaker 4: and she was like, the truth is there's a lot 1306 01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,640 Speaker 4: of nature, Like they have so many similarities, like across 1307 01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:57,080 Speaker 4: the board. 1308 01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,080 Speaker 1: It was just like weird, weird stuff. 1309 01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:04,880 Speaker 7: The thing about nature and nurture in our situation is 1310 01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:10,240 Speaker 7: I have adjusted the nature the nurture so hard, Like, 1311 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,200 Speaker 7: you know, if even if she was coiled in such 1312 01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,240 Speaker 7: a way to be the exact same spring as me, 1313 01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,560 Speaker 7: she's not flying to Brooklyn and pretending to be an acidic Jew. 1314 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,840 Speaker 7: She's not doesn't have parents that hate each other from 1315 01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:23,800 Speaker 7: across the coast. 1316 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,400 Speaker 2: She's it's all different. 1317 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,880 Speaker 7: So we've adjusted enough elements that I feel like she's 1318 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:29,600 Speaker 7: got her own. 1319 01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,000 Speaker 2: She might be troubled. 1320 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,240 Speaker 7: I mean the way the way that she smokes weed 1321 01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:34,680 Speaker 7: does trouble me a little bit. 1322 01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:38,480 Speaker 2: But other than what happened. 1323 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,640 Speaker 7: But I think given a track record that I mean 1324 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,000 Speaker 7: a runway, I think that will allow her to sort 1325 01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:46,880 Speaker 7: of feel. 1326 01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,240 Speaker 5: Like nurture Trump's nature. I mean I always said this 1327 01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,720 Speaker 5: well before the Damer thing even came out. I'm like, 1328 01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:57,000 Speaker 5: if Jeffrey Dahmer was a baby and he came into 1329 01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,480 Speaker 5: our family, would he still have eaten people? 1330 01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:01,360 Speaker 2: Probably not? 1331 01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,920 Speaker 10: Maybe, I don't think so, Like wanting we would have 1332 01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:11,760 Speaker 10: if Goldie Han and Kurt Russell raised Jeffrey Dahmer, you know, 1333 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,600 Speaker 10: I mean, like I just he would probably be you know, 1334 01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,000 Speaker 10: on like Party of five. 1335 01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:27,320 Speaker 7: Oh but for the goldieon Kurt Russell Jeffrey Dahmer household, 1336 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:28,960 Speaker 7: everything would have been better. 1337 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,920 Speaker 4: I just, you know, don't know how to respond. 1338 01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, but he would have castmates, so it would it 1339 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,080 Speaker 7: would It wasn't has your has your kid made it 1340 01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,400 Speaker 7: into your into your stand up yet? Oh? 1341 01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1342 01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,600 Speaker 7: I mean that's the bad news about being a person 1343 01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,360 Speaker 7: that tells stories about myself on stage and things that 1344 01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,400 Speaker 7: happened to me. I wish I was more of a 1345 01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,880 Speaker 7: classic observational comedian. I really am like waiting around for 1346 01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:57,480 Speaker 7: shit to go down so that I can write a 1347 01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:57,919 Speaker 7: new joke. 1348 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:02,360 Speaker 2: And I gave birth to UH to an endless supply. 1349 01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,040 Speaker 7: So yeah, everything I'm talking about right now, for better 1350 01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,880 Speaker 7: or for worse, is something that happened between And is. 1351 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,320 Speaker 5: Your wife pushy off limits or does she allow you 1352 01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,680 Speaker 5: to because she's funny too, obviously, but does she allow 1353 01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,000 Speaker 5: you just to go whatever you gotta do, say say 1354 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:16,680 Speaker 5: what you got to say. 1355 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,560 Speaker 7: Oh, b higher act is about how I'm a sloppy, 1356 01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:20,400 Speaker 7: fucking idiot. 1357 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:28,760 Speaker 2: So no, she's not off. It's like she annihilates you. 1358 01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,520 Speaker 7: So I told her I told Natasha early on in 1359 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,800 Speaker 7: our and by the way, now how about this for 1360 01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,120 Speaker 7: a plug. You know we work together a lot on 1361 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:39,480 Speaker 7: our podcast. 1362 01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:44,040 Speaker 1: Look at that. 1363 01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,600 Speaker 7: We dole out relationship advice without any qualifications. But like 1364 01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:52,040 Speaker 7: the the early on in our in our relationship, I 1365 01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,240 Speaker 7: told her you can say anything you want about me 1366 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,160 Speaker 7: on stage, and I probably meant and I'm going to 1367 01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,560 Speaker 7: be doing the same. But she she loved that because 1368 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,640 Speaker 7: I feel like this I don't have. This is how 1369 01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,320 Speaker 7: the bills get paid, and so she can talk as 1370 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,760 Speaker 7: much shit about me Now when she starts talking about 1371 01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:15,720 Speaker 7: me in the kitchen when we're actually one on one, right, 1372 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:16,880 Speaker 7: that ship bothers the fuck. 1373 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,960 Speaker 2: She brings that exact argument to the stage and humiliates 1374 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,240 Speaker 2: me in front of a crowd. I'm right. 1375 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,680 Speaker 5: So when starts in the personal home and just say, hey, 1376 01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,720 Speaker 5: hold on, just take take it to the stage. 1377 01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,760 Speaker 7: If you could craft that into a bit and then 1378 01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,360 Speaker 7: do it in public on TV, even I'm into that. 1379 01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:35,400 Speaker 2: Right, and I'll hear you. 1380 01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,000 Speaker 5: I'll hear you, and I will extrapolate what I need 1381 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,200 Speaker 5: for our relationship from the bit, but just don't do 1382 01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:40,919 Speaker 5: it right here. 1383 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,760 Speaker 4: So before we're going to wrap up, I want to 1384 01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,440 Speaker 4: do the speed round soon. But I just I wonder, 1385 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:51,840 Speaker 4: like having a rabbi as a brother, do you seek 1386 01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:53,840 Speaker 4: his advice? 1387 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:59,320 Speaker 1: Is he your rabbi? Is your brother your spiritual. 1388 01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:05,320 Speaker 7: Counselor one hundred percent yes? And I don't think it's 1389 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:09,200 Speaker 7: because he is a rabbi. I think it's I think, 1390 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:14,280 Speaker 7: are you ready for some trite bullshit. I think he's 1391 01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,960 Speaker 7: a rabbi because he is the kind of person that 1392 01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,320 Speaker 7: I would always go to with a spiritual problem. I 1393 01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:25,639 Speaker 7: think that he, my brother, went way beyond the trauma 1394 01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,680 Speaker 7: of our childhood and has become a really brilliant and 1395 01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:34,640 Speaker 7: introspective and deep powerful thinker about the human condition and 1396 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,559 Speaker 7: about the spiritual quest that is life. And so I 1397 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,479 Speaker 7: think that's why he became a rabbi, because he was 1398 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,840 Speaker 7: destined to be one. And I'm lucky enough that I 1399 01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:43,839 Speaker 7: have a brother that gets to answer those questions. 1400 01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,040 Speaker 2: Cool, Oh my god, that's so nice, beautiful, that's so nice. 1401 01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:48,920 Speaker 7: I really thought you were going to say the outhething, 1402 01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,439 Speaker 7: like one hundred percent. No, because like we are just 1403 01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,559 Speaker 7: we're so just brothers to each other. There's nothing else 1404 01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,920 Speaker 7: we can be. I mean, like I'm as likely to 1405 01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,320 Speaker 7: ask Mosha for advice about something as he is to 1406 01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,400 Speaker 7: turn do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, but 1407 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,639 Speaker 7: but I appreciate that that the description I am something 1408 01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:11,760 Speaker 7: of an Avatar. David played every character in Avatar too, 1409 01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:17,519 Speaker 7: And but no, David does come to me as well. 1410 01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:22,639 Speaker 7: And because I'm not bad at advice either, because you know. 1411 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,519 Speaker 1: Endless, because you're on an endless honeymoon. 1412 01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,519 Speaker 7: But I think I meant that specifically is like David, 1413 01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,519 Speaker 7: I don't come to David as my rabbi. I come 1414 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,280 Speaker 7: to David as the person who I would take my 1415 01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,240 Speaker 7: my biggest issues with because he is he is my brother, 1416 01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,320 Speaker 7: and I feel like other people are lucky. 1417 01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,040 Speaker 2: Enough to have him as a spiritual counselor too. 1418 01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:48,400 Speaker 5: About that one more question, do you believe in God Mosha? 1419 01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,000 Speaker 2: That's a it's not a no. 1420 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sort of with you, you know, I it's 1421 01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,600 Speaker 5: not a no. But so don't want to open a 1422 01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,200 Speaker 5: cannon worms because we all got to go here. But 1423 01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,800 Speaker 5: agnostic atheist is agnostic? Correct me if I'm wrong. It's 1424 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,160 Speaker 5: like there's something, but I just don't commit to anything. 1425 01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,120 Speaker 5: Is that kind of what agnostic means? 1426 01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:12,519 Speaker 2: Aostic? 1427 01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:18,040 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, Rabbi, Well yeah, agnostic meaning like not having 1428 01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,760 Speaker 7: knowledge like I don't. I'm I don't. I don't know 1429 01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,240 Speaker 7: the answer to the question. I do think on some 1430 01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:28,160 Speaker 7: level that's not far from like Jewish belief, Like I 1431 01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,200 Speaker 7: think on some level, our our core message is like, yeah, 1432 01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,800 Speaker 7: there is a God. We have no idea what it is, 1433 01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,800 Speaker 7: like nobody ever could gets so far beyond. Yes, we've 1434 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,559 Speaker 7: had experiences of this God, but like we don't. You 1435 01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,000 Speaker 7: can't describe it, you can't pronounce its name. It's so 1436 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,439 Speaker 7: far beyond. So like there's a kind of agnosticism that 1437 01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,320 Speaker 7: I think is embedded in Judaism. 1438 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:48,360 Speaker 2: That's interesting. 1439 01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,719 Speaker 7: Yeah, there's there's there's something really remarkable about the Jewish story. 1440 01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,160 Speaker 2: It's like why are we still here? 1441 01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,880 Speaker 7: And like there's some there's like there's something that we 1442 01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,559 Speaker 7: have impressive representation in some ways, like you know, like 1443 01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,880 Speaker 7: like like a borrow of the term from the black community, 1444 01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:04,960 Speaker 7: but like Jewish excellence. Like I feel like there is 1445 01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,880 Speaker 7: some of that, and it's it's it's something I'm proud of. 1446 01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:11,439 Speaker 7: But I do think, Look, it's not like inherent like 1447 01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:12,719 Speaker 7: in our cells. 1448 01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,040 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. I don't think that. 1449 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:17,040 Speaker 7: I do think that it's like it's the wisdom of 1450 01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,479 Speaker 7: like having of historical experience. But I also think like 1451 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,320 Speaker 7: it's a certain path and there is something mystical about 1452 01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,840 Speaker 7: that path because as as I said, that at the 1453 01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,200 Speaker 7: heart of it is of this mysterious force that we 1454 01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:33,000 Speaker 7: don't claim to really fully understand, but we kind of 1455 01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,120 Speaker 7: like committed early on to this idea that if you 1456 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,960 Speaker 7: could tap into that force like it would it would 1457 01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,120 Speaker 7: it would be life giving and it would like it 1458 01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,160 Speaker 7: would be life stabilizing, and it would be like it 1459 01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,280 Speaker 7: would help you build communities and it would help you, 1460 01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,960 Speaker 7: like find rhythm in the world and find meaning in 1461 01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,320 Speaker 7: the world, and that that energy has sustained us through history. 1462 01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,440 Speaker 7: So I do I do really think that, like we 1463 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,040 Speaker 7: are people tapped into something really early on, and it's 1464 01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,920 Speaker 7: been driving us through history in this really in this 1465 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:04,160 Speaker 7: really incredible, were remarkable way in that kind of the 1466 01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:07,479 Speaker 7: theme what we've been talking about this whole time is 1467 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,439 Speaker 7: this is on a macro cosmic level, like you are 1468 01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,559 Speaker 7: the product of your bizarre story and your trauma and 1469 01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,720 Speaker 7: your good and you're bad, and your defeats and your 1470 01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,799 Speaker 7: wins and your losses. It forges you into this person 1471 01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,639 Speaker 7: or this society or this people. I think the same 1472 01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,479 Speaker 7: thing is true with almost every marginalized community. Like the 1473 01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:29,880 Speaker 7: oppression creates unfortunately dynamism too, and so it's all a 1474 01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,759 Speaker 7: big mess of you are you are? 1475 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:33,080 Speaker 2: This is? 1476 01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,720 Speaker 7: This is the the nurture that the Jewish people have 1477 01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,519 Speaker 7: had created a very interesting people. 1478 01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it's true. It's true. I've just had 1479 01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,679 Speaker 2: a tough time with organized religion. 1480 01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,080 Speaker 5: I just never understood it always felt elite to me, 1481 01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,160 Speaker 5: because who's to say that one is right and the 1482 01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:49,000 Speaker 5: other is wrong. 1483 01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:53,920 Speaker 2: I never understood that ever it is, you're. 1484 01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,640 Speaker 7: I'm here to tell you because no, because it's a 1485 01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,880 Speaker 7: bit we're a very disorgan religion, you know, like there's 1486 01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,360 Speaker 7: no official dogma, there's no actual leader of the religion, 1487 01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,280 Speaker 7: like you know, Kate was saying early on that a 1488 01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,639 Speaker 7: rabbi told her that, yes, like questions are encouraged here, 1489 01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:12,439 Speaker 7: and it's like they're not encouraged like. 1490 01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:14,000 Speaker 2: That's like they're the foundation. 1491 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,400 Speaker 7: Like it's like that's our holy work, you know, like 1492 01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:19,799 Speaker 7: that The easy to kind of like the most famous 1493 01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,559 Speaker 7: way to say it is that the name Israel means 1494 01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,600 Speaker 7: like the one who struggles with God, right, and so 1495 01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,840 Speaker 7: that's like that's the idea. Like we're just still like 1496 01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,519 Speaker 7: still grappling with this concept and talk that we've been 1497 01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,080 Speaker 7: talking about it for thousands of years now. And that's 1498 01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:35,360 Speaker 7: that's the religion is the talking about it in the 1499 01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,080 Speaker 7: asking the questions, you know, not so much the answers, 1500 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,040 Speaker 7: because like I said, on some level, we believe like 1501 01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:42,599 Speaker 7: it's so beyond any answer we could give. 1502 01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanna. 1503 01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,599 Speaker 1: Keep talking about it. 1504 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:53,760 Speaker 4: Okay, speed round, Okay. One word to describe each other 1505 01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,080 Speaker 4: as kids. 1506 01:13:55,160 --> 01:14:04,120 Speaker 7: I say about him, Yeah, chaos, Oh perfect. 1507 01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:08,960 Speaker 1: One word to describe each other. 1508 01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:20,280 Speaker 8: Now chaos and uh shave it. 1509 01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,759 Speaker 2: I'd say brilliant. I'd say brilliant. 1510 01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,000 Speaker 1: I love you guys. Who is the favorite? I mean 1511 01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,160 Speaker 1: I would can answer. I mean, who is the favorite? 1512 01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,400 Speaker 2: We were just talking about. This depends Alway's parent you. 1513 01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,559 Speaker 5: I was about to say it, right, So I'm going 1514 01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,800 Speaker 5: to assume my dad liked you, mom liked me. 1515 01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,479 Speaker 2: My mom liked the chaos on some level too, you know. 1516 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,879 Speaker 4: So yeah, who is more social? 1517 01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:55,000 Speaker 2: Motion? Yeah, me for sure? 1518 01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:56,720 Speaker 1: Who's bossier. 1519 01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,000 Speaker 2: Motion? Yeah? 1520 01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,000 Speaker 1: Who's the most book smart? 1521 01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,200 Speaker 2: Oh? Duh? 1522 01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:11,760 Speaker 7: Come on, I mean yeah, definitely David. That's a factor. Yeah, 1523 01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,240 Speaker 7: by a factor that he isn't even quantifiable. What was 1524 01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:18,920 Speaker 7: your first famous That's the job as books, That's the 1525 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,840 Speaker 7: job David. David's taking for being at a party, like 1526 01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:25,920 Speaker 7: a good party and like cracking open an aramaic tome 1527 01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:27,360 Speaker 7: in the kitchen, and he'd like. 1528 01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:35,880 Speaker 2: More social. What was your first concert? Oh? Mine is 1529 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,840 Speaker 2: so embarrassing. What is warrant? 1530 01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,800 Speaker 7: I think it's warrant warrant band warrant and Trickster and 1531 01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,040 Speaker 7: firehouse opening And it was a great America pretty. 1532 01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,280 Speaker 1: Great warrant hosted, best. 1533 01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:52,519 Speaker 7: Hosted, hold on giving me the best detail, hosted by 1534 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,040 Speaker 7: the one and only Pollie. 1535 01:15:54,160 --> 01:16:00,280 Speaker 2: Sure Wow, Yes, told poll that recently and he was 1536 01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,160 Speaker 2: so stoked. He was he was so excited. 1537 01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,320 Speaker 7: I remember that concert because David took me and there 1538 01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:09,200 Speaker 7: was this hot rock girl and I was like probably nine, 1539 01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:11,040 Speaker 7: and she goes, do you like the concert? 1540 01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,080 Speaker 2: And she spoke to me and I was like, yeah, 1541 01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:20,040 Speaker 2: it was pretty cool, it was great. It was great. 1542 01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:21,280 Speaker 2: Love to Warren. 1543 01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,439 Speaker 7: I think our actual fir concert was Paul McCartney and 1544 01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,679 Speaker 7: it was with we were we were even younger. 1545 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:28,960 Speaker 2: I think that was before Warren Trickster and fire House 1546 01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:29,479 Speaker 2: was cool. 1547 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,479 Speaker 7: Paul McCartney might even be better than Warren Trickster and 1548 01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:33,559 Speaker 7: fire I don't think so. 1549 01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:37,600 Speaker 2: But not. 1550 01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,240 Speaker 1: First celebrity crush. 1551 01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:53,040 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, me too. Really, Nicole Eggert was mine. 1552 01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:59,719 Speaker 4: But it's just two completely different vibes. 1553 01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:01,360 Speaker 1: Like Nick Klegger. 1554 01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,920 Speaker 7: I just saw Heathers and I was like, oh yeah, 1555 01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,439 Speaker 7: I remember when I was in love pair it. 1556 01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:11,280 Speaker 2: Was moshus uh huh. I would say the Noxymo girl, 1557 01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:18,360 Speaker 2: remember her? Oh dude, anybody familiar? I actually might yeah, literally. 1558 01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:26,080 Speaker 5: Like Nikki Taylor, No, Noxema, that's so funny. 1559 01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,479 Speaker 1: I will never forget I used NAXI did you use noxema? 1560 01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:32,800 Speaker 2: I don't look up girl, look up Noxyo girl. 1561 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,439 Speaker 7: She was a she was an icon that was I 1562 01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:38,680 Speaker 7: don't know what she what happened, but she was definitely. 1563 01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:40,960 Speaker 1: Song of your childhood. 1564 01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:48,920 Speaker 11: Like we tal the mind, I would I would say, 1565 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,479 Speaker 11: probably like getting where you fit in by by too 1566 01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:56,679 Speaker 11: short or nothing but a get thang. 1567 01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,840 Speaker 2: I think those are you know, probably the. 1568 01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,560 Speaker 4: Yeah Rebecca Gayheart. 1569 01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:06,519 Speaker 2: Rebecca Gayheart is the noxim. Yeah you know her? Can 1570 01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:10,800 Speaker 2: you introduce me? She is pretty yeah? I mean. 1571 01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:19,439 Speaker 4: Okay, favorite book, Desert Island book, favorite well, okay, favorite book. 1572 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,040 Speaker 7: Oh wait, that is the name of my podcast. Best 1573 01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,920 Speaker 7: book ever, it's the Torah. I gotta say that. I'm obligated. 1574 01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,439 Speaker 2: My favorite book. That's hard. 1575 01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,400 Speaker 7: It's different than my Desert Island book, you know, because 1576 01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,519 Speaker 7: like favorite book means when I want to read again 1577 01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,880 Speaker 7: and again, which maybe that would be something like you know, 1578 01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,640 Speaker 7: Lord of the Rings or the Narnia Chronicles. But probably 1579 01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,400 Speaker 7: my favorite book I ever read is Amazing Adventions of 1580 01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:49,400 Speaker 7: Cavalier and Clay speaking of Jewish trauma. 1581 01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,559 Speaker 2: That's a wonderful book. That's maybe my favorite book ever. 1582 01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:57,960 Speaker 5: Okay, you do this last question two part question number 1583 01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:02,439 Speaker 5: one being you guys answer these. You know, so if 1584 01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:07,000 Speaker 5: there was something that you could take from your brother, 1585 01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,360 Speaker 5: some piece of light, something amazing that you wish that 1586 01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,000 Speaker 5: you had for yourself, what would that be? And then 1587 01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,840 Speaker 5: if you could sort of alleviate something from your brother 1588 01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,800 Speaker 5: to make his life just a little bit better, what 1589 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:20,320 Speaker 5: would that be? 1590 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:26,080 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what I would take from David is 1591 01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:28,400 Speaker 2: that one's easy. 1592 01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,920 Speaker 7: I would take his ability to study a topic in 1593 01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:35,760 Speaker 7: depth because I have a bit of the add you know, 1594 01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,439 Speaker 7: I can't focus in me, and so David's ability to 1595 01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,760 Speaker 7: deep dive and read and read and read, I would 1596 01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:41,519 Speaker 7: definitely take that. 1597 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:46,280 Speaker 2: What would I alleviate from him? Oh? 1598 01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:51,599 Speaker 7: Man, this is hard because Dave is an extremely private person. 1599 01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,200 Speaker 7: So maybe I would alleviate that That's a good way 1600 01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:59,519 Speaker 7: to cheat and cop out of this question. I would 1601 01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:04,200 Speaker 7: just want would maybe maybe uh uh, the the any 1602 01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,760 Speaker 7: sense that he's not exactly where he's supposed to be. 1603 01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,439 Speaker 7: I would I would take that, you know, just the 1604 01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:11,880 Speaker 7: the Yeah. 1605 01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:12,800 Speaker 2: I think that's a good thing. 1606 01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:19,639 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I would. What I would take from 1607 01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:25,040 Speaker 7: Mosh is his his confidence, like he just has always 1608 01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:29,880 Speaker 7: been very sure of, like of who he is and 1609 01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,240 Speaker 7: what he what he thinks, and not really cared so 1610 01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,639 Speaker 7: much if other people like didn't think the same thing. 1611 01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,760 Speaker 7: And that's very powerful. And I've never had that. 1612 01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:43,360 Speaker 2: And and the thing I would alleviate. 1613 01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:49,240 Speaker 7: Him from is his maybe his pessimism, his fear of 1614 01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,880 Speaker 7: like the the future and the and the state of 1615 01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:54,920 Speaker 7: state of the world. Maybe I want to lend him 1616 01:20:54,960 --> 01:21:02,080 Speaker 7: some some optimism. Okay, beautiful, I would never work. It's 1617 01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:02,799 Speaker 7: not gonna happen. 1618 01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:04,040 Speaker 1: You guys are the best. 1619 01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:07,080 Speaker 4: How can you teach me how to. 1620 01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:08,240 Speaker 1: Sign thank you? 1621 01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:12,120 Speaker 2: One's very easy? It's an easy one. 1622 01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:13,439 Speaker 1: Okay, that's gonna be another one. 1623 01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:19,759 Speaker 9: Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you? 1624 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:21,840 Speaker 1: And then how about hope to see you again? 1625 01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:30,920 Speaker 7: Oh gosh, uh a little arder, hope to see you 1626 01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:35,200 Speaker 7: you again? And then we'll teach you a new one 1627 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:36,519 Speaker 7: plus two. 1628 01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:41,120 Speaker 2: To one. It's very California one. You know. 1629 01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:41,960 Speaker 1: I love that. 1630 01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:43,760 Speaker 5: Do you do a lot of Do you do a 1631 01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,920 Speaker 5: lot of the drop inst at the comedy store and 1632 01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:47,719 Speaker 5: all that stuff? 1633 01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:50,679 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah, Yeah, that's my friend. 1634 01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:56,439 Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, any any show every Yeah, that'd be great. 1635 01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,320 Speaker 2: Also, you guys should should come by your car sometime 1636 01:21:58,320 --> 01:21:59,040 Speaker 2: if you want to check it. 1637 01:21:59,040 --> 01:21:59,200 Speaker 4: Out. 1638 01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,200 Speaker 2: We need every too. Yeah. 1639 01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,760 Speaker 7: They did wrote a book. It's called Parsha Nut and 1640 01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,479 Speaker 7: it's available on Amazon right now. It's a real deep 1641 01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,559 Speaker 7: dive into his biggest passion, which is the tour reading 1642 01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,479 Speaker 7: of every Week. And it's a real deep, real powerful 1643 01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,400 Speaker 7: but not as deep and powerful as this bad boy. 1644 01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:22,879 Speaker 1: This is perfect. 1645 01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:26,880 Speaker 5: This was so great. Thank you for taking the time. 1646 01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:28,479 Speaker 5: It was went very long, but it was. 1647 01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:30,720 Speaker 1: It was greatly. I could have talked to you. 1648 01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Same here great meeting. 1649 01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:41,280 Speaker 5: Yeah great, really good good bye bye. 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