Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
Speaker 1: in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and
Speaker 1: of course fun. I'm back this week after a little
Speaker 1: winter vacation with my boys and my sister, Asvin is
Speaker 1: truly my favorite winter destination and I had the best time.
Speaker 1: And today I thought i'd fill you in on my
Speaker 1: trip a little bit of course, talk more red carpet
Speaker 1: fashion from the Sagawards, which was so good, and I
Speaker 1: will touch on my New York trip as well. Okay,
Speaker 1: here to chat with me, as always is my producer,
Speaker 1: Mary Elizabeth Sillitz.
Speaker 2: Jump right in, Rachel Zoe. Welcome back to the pod.
Speaker 1: Oh, welcome back to life.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to life. Okay, so girl, I left life you.
Speaker 1: You really did, though, So we talk about flu.
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, So for our listeners, you might recall that
Speaker 2: before Rachel went on her trip last week, we recorded
Speaker 2: an episode for you guys about fashion week questions, and
Speaker 2: people were asking questions like what time to show start,
Speaker 2: how do you pack? Blah blah blah. That was, in
Speaker 2: fact the last day before you took a really gnarly
Speaker 2: turn for the worse. Yeah, I did, so Rachel can explain,
Speaker 2: but she at the tail end of fashion week got
Speaker 2: hit with the type A flu.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which, by the way, full disclosure, I did not
Speaker 1: know there was a type A and a type B.
Speaker 1: And in full disclosure, I don't know that I've ever
Speaker 1: had the flu. And also I will say this is
Speaker 1: and I know it's controversial for some I've never not
Speaker 1: had a flu shot. This was the first year I
Speaker 1: didn't get a flu shot, simply because I forgot, and
Speaker 1: then it was kind of felt too bait, and then
Speaker 1: I just should have gotten it and I didn't. And
Speaker 1: I did New York Fashion Week very hard and very fast,
Speaker 1: and it took me down. It just knocked me, like
Speaker 1: literally knocked me out.
Speaker 2: I have worked for you for a very long time.
Speaker 2: I've never seen you that ill.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've been that ill in my entire life.
Speaker 1: I've had COVID. I've never been as sick as I
Speaker 1: was from the flu. So people that say, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: not scared of the flu, I'm here to say be scared.
Speaker 1: I am. I have a really good immune system and
Speaker 1: I have a really high tolerance. I had to work.
Speaker 1: I had one hundred and two point five fever, the
Speaker 1: most brutal cough. Ye, my sister, God love her. She
Speaker 1: did not leave my side for four days. Sweet Pamela Angel,
Speaker 1: Pamela Angel, Pamela literally Angel, sister of life. And I'm
Speaker 1: such a germophobe and now I know that if she
Speaker 1: gets the flu, I'm going to have to stay by
Speaker 1: her side with the maskt clubs because she literally did
Speaker 1: not leave my hotel room. It's payback, yeah, and my
Speaker 1: trip well. Also, I wanted to touch on that about
Speaker 1: the working mom thing because we do talk about that
Speaker 1: a lot, and how my Valentine's Day was inarguably the
Speaker 1: worst Valentine's Day of my existence, where at one hundred
Speaker 1: and two point five fever, my children were across the
Speaker 1: country in La I was stuck in New York. We
Speaker 1: were supposed to be meeting that morning and aspen to
Speaker 1: spend the day together in the night and be with
Speaker 1: my Valentines, and I just cried the whole day. And
Speaker 1: I don't even like Valentine's Day. It wasn't even about
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day. I think it was about being stuck away
Speaker 1: from my kids, being overworked, being overtired, and just being
Speaker 1: really sick.
Speaker 2: And having like just an actual very high fever.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was in a bad fever dream like I know,
Speaker 1: I used the term fever dreams.
Speaker 2: This is a real one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a real one.
Speaker 2: And you know it's it's you were so sick that
Speaker 2: you had to delay your travels because three days you
Speaker 2: needed to get better before flying. So but eventually you
Speaker 2: got yourself to your favorite place first.
Speaker 1: Note I did. And actually for summer, I mean I've
Speaker 1: been to Aspen one or two times in the summer.
Speaker 1: It is pretty magical, I have to say it is.
Speaker 1: It was really nice to be out of la I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: my my, my loss Angeline Angelina's, but it was nice
Speaker 1: to be out of the air here from January and
Speaker 1: be in in Colorado. There's a magic in the air
Speaker 1: there that just feels so clear and clean, and you
Speaker 1: can drink the water anywhere. There's just something about it.
Speaker 2: There's something mentally that happens when it's like clear skies,
Speaker 2: clear air.
Speaker 1: Clear water, clear mountains.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, it mentally helps.
Speaker 1: The light there, hits different, like it really does, like
Speaker 1: your skin's really dry and all that. Like I always say,
Speaker 1: I'm not cute when I'm an aspin because you just
Speaker 1: like you like throw oil on your face and your
Speaker 1: hands and like whatever. It's it's it's magical.
Speaker 2: Our listeners, please go look at the carousel posts she
Speaker 2: did have aspen and feel free to sound off on
Speaker 2: how not cute you look. You looked so freaking cute.
Speaker 2: Your looks were so cute, and you know you are
Speaker 2: the coat Queen loves and the faux fur Queen Vintage
Speaker 2: for queen. So this is like, I feel like your
Speaker 2: Olympics in a way. It's time for you. It's the
Speaker 2: real time for you to shine.
Speaker 1: I didn't ski as much as I would have liked
Speaker 1: to those.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into that. For those of you who
Speaker 2: might assume Rachel Zoe can't throw or catch a ball,
Speaker 2: play tennis, ski down very steep mountain sides, you're wrong.
Speaker 2: She can. It might be the only time you're climbing
Speaker 2: in ski boots instead of heels, but you posted yourself
Speaker 2: dabbling getting back out there on the slopes.
Speaker 1: Tell us about that.
Speaker 2: Are you terrified? Now? Are you confident? Like? What's your
Speaker 2: mental state when you know you're going to be going down?
Speaker 1: Okay, So I started skiing when I was four years old,
Speaker 1: I did ski races, advantage. I did ski races. I
Speaker 1: did double black diamonds. I was a fearless, fearless skier
Speaker 1: for most of my life. The bigger the mogul, the
Speaker 1: more excited I was, the bigger the jump, I just went.
Speaker 1: My dad used to say he couldn't video me because
Speaker 1: I never would wait. I just would go. You could
Speaker 1: not stop me. And then I stopped skiing. I think
Speaker 1: after I graduated college, I skied for a little and
Speaker 1: then I stopped because I discovered Saint Bart's. The thing
Speaker 1: about skiing is as an adult, I think you become
Speaker 1: highly aware of the consequences of what could happen. And
Speaker 1: when you're a child, you're obviously fearless. And you know,
Speaker 1: when I was a teenager, I was like skiing with
Speaker 1: my boyfriends and I was like, I can ski better
Speaker 1: than you, I can jump higher than you. Whatever. And
Speaker 1: then once I became a mom, the fear became more
Speaker 1: real about like if I get hurt, they have no mom,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, most moms will sort of
Speaker 1: understand that fear of like totally. It just becomes like
Speaker 1: it's not about what you want to dare yourself to do.
Speaker 1: It's like if something happens to you, they are without mother,
Speaker 1: you can't go down, you can't go down. So I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like that when I had the flu like
Speaker 1: her covidure. So so I think. So I didn't ski
Speaker 1: for ten years.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And then when my children got old enough to ski,
Speaker 1: it started to become And I'd made a promise to
Speaker 1: my dad that my boys would be skiers. Yes, I promised.
Speaker 1: It was like one of the most important things is
Speaker 1: one of the most important things to my dad. And
Speaker 1: so once they started.
Speaker 2: They had to dust off the old ski.
Speaker 1: The look from those baby blues from both my boys, Mommy,
Speaker 1: you're gonna skew with us, right, Mommy, you're gonna come
Speaker 1: out and ski. Mommy, I don't want to go if
Speaker 1: you don't skw with us, And so obviously I don't say.
Speaker 1: And so I went out and I remember the first
Speaker 1: time I went out after ten years, and the instructor
Speaker 1: was like, you remember how to hold your skis like pizza.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, we're not going back that far.
Speaker 1: You're like I can do that, yeah, And I got
Speaker 1: off the gun. You said, well, then it'll be like
Speaker 1: riding a bike. I'm like, I don't believe in that.
Speaker 1: And I got off the gondola and I took a
Speaker 1: left and I went down, And I went down as
Speaker 1: if no time had passed. My body just went right
Speaker 1: back to doing what it does. The only difference is
Speaker 1: now I just don't I won't ski blacks like I
Speaker 1: won't ski vocals. Now. I'm really just about skiing safely, nicely,
Speaker 1: skiing with my kids and getting to app race ski safely.
Speaker 2: I always like breathe a sigh of relief when I
Speaker 2: know that you're back, because people, depending on who you
Speaker 2: follow on social media, people have been snapping acls left
Speaker 2: and right this ski season, so it's true. I was
Speaker 2: a little concerned, but we're glad you're home safe.
Speaker 1: I did fall after Sky when when Sky had his
Speaker 1: chairlift accident and he made me go out two days
Speaker 1: later with him. I had to I could. I wasn't
Speaker 1: looking at me, I wasn't focused on what I was doing.
Speaker 1: I was just staring at him. Yeah, and then I fell,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, okay, I'm done here.
Speaker 2: Yeah that'll that'll end your your run for sure.
Speaker 1: But it was beautiful. I'm incredibly I'm fair weathered so
Speaker 1: now that it's like thirty five forty degrees and sunny,
Speaker 1: it is just pure magic. Like it is pure magic
Speaker 1: being up there. But I have to say, whoever's listening,
Speaker 1: ski boots have to be shaker. They are so not pretty.
Speaker 1: They are clunky, they're hurt and they make me really short.
Speaker 1: That's not cute.
Speaker 2: You need a lifted ski boot.
Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, all right, maybe food for thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, tell us about the Palm Tree festivals. Skiing
Speaker 2: in heels, Yeah, that's what what could go wrong? Okay,
Speaker 2: tell us about the Palm Tree Festival because again, pending
Speaker 2: who you're sort of following on social media, a lot
Speaker 2: of influencers and people were out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was asking for this.
Speaker 2: So what it looks like. It's a it's a music
Speaker 2: festival that happens annually, and it's two nights, I think
Speaker 2: two or three, it's.
Speaker 1: Two nights, and it's outdoors. It's it's kind of behind
Speaker 1: this area by the Jerome Hotel for anyone who's been
Speaker 1: in Aspen. Excuse me, guys, I'm lingering cough, but so
Speaker 1: it's behind the Jerome Hotel in this like park area
Speaker 1: as I don't forget what it's called. But it's called
Speaker 1: the Palm Tree Festival. Little did I know, I was
Speaker 1: actually at the Palm Tree Festival on New Year's in
Speaker 1: Saint Barts as well, right, A part like the same
Speaker 1: the same people that, right, So I'm a little new
Speaker 1: to this. And so one of I went with Don Julio.
Speaker 1: They had a beautiful table up in the VIP area,
Speaker 1: which for me like, okay, so fun fact about me.
Speaker 1: I am terrified of massive crowds. Sure, I am terrified.
Speaker 1: I'm here to admit it. It's okay. You have to
Speaker 1: know that about yourself. I am a very small person
Speaker 1: and I get trampled on really easily. I've never been
Speaker 1: to a concert where I was not knocked over.
Speaker 2: You're not going to find Rachel Zoe in the pit.
Speaker 1: No, you're not going to find me in the pit.
Speaker 1: Even if those are the best seats up by the stage,
Speaker 1: you will not find me in them. And so we
Speaker 1: were up in this area that was covered, but it's
Speaker 1: still outdoors. Sure, so you have to dress really warm.
Speaker 1: To me, it just meant this coat that I had
Speaker 1: brought to New York that I had not worn since
Speaker 1: it was given to me. It was a gift from
Speaker 1: mister Valentino more than probably fifteen, probably about fifteen years ago,
Speaker 1: maybe more.
Speaker 2: Literally one of my most favorite pieces, and I have
Speaker 2: worn it.
Speaker 1: I had not worn her since since I did that
Speaker 1: shoot in it when I got it time ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I lived up in Sarah Towers. This is the
Speaker 1: last time I wore it, So that was like two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. It's so good and so I don't
Speaker 1: know what possessed me to bring it, but I did,
Speaker 1: and it felt right for this I don't know why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I put it on You're snow Rave, Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: snow Rave, snow Rave, And so I went, you know,
Speaker 1: had some champagne, listened to the music. I saw a
Speaker 1: ton of people I knew anyone who was in Aspen.
Speaker 1: Was there a lot of friends from LA some friends
Speaker 1: from New York. It was so much fun. The music
Speaker 1: was so good.
Speaker 2: You know who was there? My Hoavey Gray, Well, Hovey
Speaker 2: Gray was there, who you like love but also a
Speaker 2: friend of the pod, Jake Shane was there. Did you
Speaker 2: run into Jake?
Speaker 1: What I didn't. I didn't. I'm not run into.
Speaker 2: So hoping you were going to see Jake.
Speaker 1: No, because Alex Earl was there, and it was like
Speaker 1: a fool thing the whole. But you know what, they
Speaker 1: they go to the pit, they go to the pear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're they're in it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I feel like he wouldn't be in the pit,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that would be overwhelming.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he was in the He'll get in there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyways, Okay, so tell us about some of your
Speaker 2: favorite music. Okay, this is kind of like for our
Speaker 2: little like Fleetwood Mac, Rolling Stones, Babe, this is kind
Speaker 2: of a different vibe for you.
Speaker 1: It's definitely a different vibe for me. But you know
Speaker 1: what's cool is that, like I think a little bit
Speaker 1: how actors are, like how actors are a lot of
Speaker 1: things now, or hairstylists are a lot of things now,
Speaker 1: Like you're not just like a one note anymore, right,
Speaker 1: So I think what's happening not I think what I
Speaker 1: know is happening is there's this movement and has been
Speaker 1: for the last several years of musicians and bands also
Speaker 1: being DJs and DJs you know, being you know, performers.
Speaker 1: So like, you know, I think there's such a blend
Speaker 1: now at this point, like Tanks is djinks. I have
Speaker 1: so many friends that are DJs. But listen, I'm going
Speaker 1: to say that, you know Mark Ronson, very old friend
Speaker 1: of mine, you know, in our old days in New York.
Speaker 1: You know, when he was starting out, Mark Ronson was
Speaker 1: still is like the greatest of the greatest of the
Speaker 1: greatest of the greatest, but he was like the only DJ.
Speaker 1: I knew that, and of course like Samantha Ronson and whatever,
Speaker 1: but like that was my first like sort of DJ moment.
Speaker 1: And now he's gone on to win like Oscars.
Speaker 2: He's a producer, shordinary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think the cool thing about Palm Tree
Speaker 1: is there's this sort of amazing vibe that goes on
Speaker 1: all night of like you know, Kigo and like everyone's
Speaker 1: DJing and Jabi Gray and they're DJing but they're singing,
Speaker 1: but they're playing guitar for sure. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so fun.
Speaker 1: So it's really fun. It's really fun.
Speaker 2: I have to say, we love to see you out
Speaker 2: there with a little glowstick and it was really fun.
Speaker 1: It was really fun, drinking champagne, dancing was fun. My
Speaker 1: sister was living her bust life. We kept running into
Speaker 1: people we knew, and then we went to the drone
Speaker 1: after and had drinks. Its Aspen was really on fire
Speaker 1: this weekend, but it was. I mean it was really crowded.
Speaker 1: There was like an extra like yeah, five or ten
Speaker 1: thousand people.
Speaker 2: It seemed like it was backed. It was back hot.
Speaker 2: Well while you were away drinking champagne. We have to
Speaker 2: talk about the Saga Red carpet. We do because here's
Speaker 2: the thing. When I was texting you, the Saga Awards
Speaker 2: are on. Oh my, this carpet is actually incredible.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you something about Saga Awards from my experience,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't get why it's so good.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why. Because when it started. As
Speaker 1: you go through award season as a stylist, you know
Speaker 1: there's the checklist right so before the New year, there's
Speaker 1: like the smaller festivals right all over like Santa Barbara,
Speaker 1: Pump Springs or whatever. Some of them are right afternoons,
Speaker 1: and the spirit was just before exactly, and so you
Speaker 1: have this circuit and you know you're like, Okay, there's
Speaker 1: like a build up, right, There's like we're going to
Speaker 1: do this one, this one, this one. They're all going
Speaker 1: to be amazing and special, but we're saving the best
Speaker 1: one for Oscars, right, not the best, but like the
Speaker 1: biggest maybe right, right, the biggest wow moment. And then
Speaker 1: but SAGA Awards was always the sort of like more
Speaker 1: inside baseball award shows. So and it wasn't didn't used
Speaker 1: to be televised, and so I think that historically people
Speaker 1: played that one a little safer and a little more subdued, right,
Speaker 1: But there was a little less pressure, I think for
Speaker 1: the actors. So it was the one where you really
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, if I just want to wear a
Speaker 1: simple calm gown, I'm going to do it for SAG okay,
Speaker 1: because you didn't want to show up like look at me,
Speaker 1: look at me, right, because it was a little more
Speaker 1: like peer driven, right.
Speaker 2: It is, yeah, it is, so you win based on
Speaker 2: other actors voting for you instead of some academy or
Speaker 2: corrupt exactly.
Speaker 1: So. But what's happened over the last like a few
Speaker 1: years is that I have loved SAG ten times more
Speaker 1: than I've loved Golden Globes. And I don't know why
Speaker 1: that is. I think because they feel maybe a little
Speaker 1: less pressure, so they all just look better or they
Speaker 1: want to have the moment amongst their peers because to
Speaker 1: them it means the most, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like that makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. So when I think about it,
Speaker 1: when I've been given my awards, right, the most nervous
Speaker 1: I ever was, or the most excited I ever was
Speaker 1: when was when it was a fashion award show amongst
Speaker 1: my peers, right, right, Because it wasn't just like a
Speaker 1: popular vote, right, it was sort of like the people
Speaker 1: that you respect the most with the most talent are
Speaker 1: voting for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense to me, And and to your
Speaker 2: point about the sort of run of show for these
Speaker 2: award shows. Oscars are next this coming weekend, and they
Speaker 2: are the end, that's the cap to everything.
Speaker 1: So they figure if they haven't had the big moment,
Speaker 1: this might be there. But also SAG Awards television television exactly.
Speaker 2: And I think my favorite look of the night was
Speaker 2: miss Selena Gomez and a beautiful custom. Selene, She's in
Speaker 2: Only Murders in the Building, which is a television show
Speaker 2: which she won for. So let's talk about Selena Gomesch.
Speaker 1: She looks beautiful.
Speaker 2: I've I don't know that I've ever seen her look better.
Speaker 1: She looks stunning. And Aaron Walsch styles her. And you know,
Speaker 1: listen the other thing about Selena, She's always smiling, so
Speaker 1: she looks stunning. But this is giving full old Hollywood
Speaker 1: movie star. This is I mean, she has the red lips,
Speaker 1: she has the cat eyes, she's got the diamonds. But
Speaker 1: the off the shoulder, this neckline is very, very vintage Hollywood,
Speaker 1: very you know, obsessed, obsessed. It's gorgeous and it's simple,
Speaker 1: and it's clean, and it's beautiful. It's like a deep navy.
Speaker 1: It looks like it's so giving leg it fits.
Speaker 2: Her body beautifully. Yes, there's a little there's a sexy slit.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with the bob. Yes, I could never do
Speaker 2: it myself, but I am so jealous of those.
Speaker 1: Who can long hair for life.
Speaker 2: And then, please, can you explain something to me? Mm hm,
Speaker 2: Why in my adult life have I never considered thought of,
Speaker 2: or for myself or for others, considered a lip manicure
Speaker 2: match because her red nails. And I've never noticed that
Speaker 2: in my life?
Speaker 1: Are you talking about obsessed with this? I am obsessive
Speaker 1: about that, are you? If you ask Jennifer Garner or
Speaker 1: any of my clients, I'm embarrassed it would make me
Speaker 1: absolutely mental. It's like that the leg was a totally
Speaker 1: different red than the nail.
Speaker 2: Okay, I could see that, but this is like so coordinatedly,
Speaker 2: perfectly done.
Speaker 1: It's cherry red. Both are beautifully cherry red.
Speaker 2: Obsessed with this and like think it is such a beautiful,
Speaker 2: subtle pull together.
Speaker 1: Look, there's a part of me that wants a necklace
Speaker 1: like a choker. Yeah, I'm just gonna say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but her skin is so I mean,
Speaker 2: she literally looks like snow white.
Speaker 1: But a choker that was like a thin diamond would
Speaker 1: have sat beautifully right on the collarbone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just saying, and you would have gone with
Speaker 2: a shorter airing than maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Okay, listen, it's perfect. But you see, like
Speaker 1: if we go next to Alfanning in custom, loeve also
Speaker 1: all Hollywood movie star, and Elle is not only stunning,
Speaker 1: but she loves fashion. She loves to have fun with it.
Speaker 1: You can tell she is not a carpet She's obsesssed.
Speaker 1: She's a sweetheart angel and she actually is an angel,
Speaker 1: Like I will just always think of her as Aurora forever.
Speaker 1: She's gonna be Aurora, Yes, Princess Aurora, but I love
Speaker 1: the choker here. And I love Sam McMillan, her stylist
Speaker 1: I've known my whole career. I love her. And Elle
Speaker 1: always looks fall less. I love how she loves fashion.
Speaker 1: I love how she stands on the carpet. I love
Speaker 1: how she's a chameleon and does things with her hair
Speaker 1: and like this is seemingly very simple. Honestly for her
Speaker 1: it is, but it's gorgeous. Also giving me old Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed the two of them, honestly perfect.
Speaker 2: And you do you like the peplum I love the
Speaker 2: pa you like a peplum y? Yes? You know she's
Speaker 2: just such a cool girl. Yes, And I know that
Speaker 2: she's very She's not edgy. I don't mean edgy, but
Speaker 2: I mean she's.
Speaker 1: Good though cool, She's cool. The thing about Elle is
Speaker 1: she you know, as I said, I think for me.
Speaker 1: People always ask me if I would style again, and
Speaker 1: I say that I would only ever do it with
Speaker 1: someone who loves fashion, meaning someone who is willing to
Speaker 1: have fun and collaborate, someone who wants to collaborate, someone
Speaker 1: who is willing to not be safe all the time,
Speaker 1: you know, and Elle is someone who has really been
Speaker 1: a fashion chameleon over and over again. She loves it, Yes,
Speaker 1: and I've talked to her about it. Honestly, she just
Speaker 1: loves it. And her and Sam do such great things together,
Speaker 1: and I love it. I love the necklace. I love Cartier.
Speaker 2: No, you love her side part, Rachel's so, I love
Speaker 2: her side part. We're trying to get Rachel to do
Speaker 2: the side party.
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, I'm not red.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, you know, beating on that drum.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's not on her. It's cute.
Speaker 2: I mean, she she could wear a paper bags exactly,
Speaker 2: So let's keep it n okay. Newcomer hotness, gorgeous, She's stunning,
Speaker 2: Monica Barbaras, she's stunning. She's in a complete unknown with
Speaker 2: Timothy Shallomey the Bob Dylan film.
Speaker 1: I love him.
Speaker 2: I love him.
Speaker 1: We'll go back to that later, Yes, we will get
Speaker 1: to miss her. She's stunning, honestly stunning.
Speaker 2: Stunning, so elegant but sexy, youthful.
Speaker 1: I loved this door, yes, like I loved this like
Speaker 1: every once in a while we need a sexy dress moment,
Speaker 1: a sexy red dress moment, like and honestly like for
Speaker 1: a long time. I think there was too many of them. Yes,
Speaker 1: and it was like we just kept it was like
Speaker 1: Rent and repeat, Rensom, repeat who's making the sexy red dress?
Speaker 1: And I feel like I haven't seen one in a while.
Speaker 1: And this was very not dere like I didn't never
Speaker 1: no said no, no no.
Speaker 2: And the collar on her skin is stunning, the like
Speaker 2: simple clean hair.
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 2: And she's actually been named like a door ambassador if
Speaker 2: I'm very excited to see Monica on more red carpets.
Speaker 1: Because she's cool.
Speaker 2: She and she just again that point of like.
Speaker 1: I love the diamond, the thing on the on the wrist,
Speaker 1: I love just like a cuff and a stud.
Speaker 2: Something about SAG Awards is like effortless and so good.
Speaker 1: I'm into it.
Speaker 2: Another winner at the SAG Awards was like one of
Speaker 2: my favorite favorite favorite up and comers and soy and
Speaker 2: she won. She's been winning for her her role in
Speaker 2: the television is Showgun beautiful, strikingly gorgeous and custom.
Speaker 1: Georgia ARMANI preve I kind of knew that when I
Speaker 1: saw it. I was like, yeah, that is definitely, but
Speaker 1: it was it was. I mean, it's very architectural, Yes,
Speaker 1: I think controversial to some you know, like not everyone
Speaker 1: loves that thing when it's away from the body and
Speaker 1: like whatever. But what I loved is, to be honest,
Speaker 1: I don't think the picture does it justice. I think
Speaker 1: on the carpet in video like it was even better
Speaker 1: because it looks like it's almost these two things that
Speaker 1: are disconnected when in the front one in the back,
Speaker 1: and then it's illusion on the side. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: she's she's stunning.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the architecture of the bust area. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so for me, a fashion norm some of the super
Speaker 2: architectural builds a La Scaparelli.
Speaker 1: Don't do it for me. Yeah, of course, because you
Speaker 1: I get that.
Speaker 2: It's a little too it's a little too left of
Speaker 2: center right this, I think, if you're going to do it,
Speaker 2: this is like the great compromise. It's like just enough.
Speaker 2: You know. Some of these like front structure dresses I
Speaker 2: feel go too high block the collarbone, which feels like
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, they're like in a cost like
Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought, this is how you do
Speaker 2: it if you're going to go more advanced structure in
Speaker 2: a gown.
Speaker 1: Listen, I think She's so strikingly beautiful that you know,
Speaker 1: in a way, I would have loved a softer neckline
Speaker 1: there on her, like have it be a little lower,
Speaker 1: because what's happening is I want to look at her face,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the top. I want it to
Speaker 1: like I would like it to be like an inch
Speaker 1: or two lower, quite honestly, But I also like the
Speaker 1: severity of it, and I liked the I like the
Speaker 1: art of it, honestly, I really do.
Speaker 2: She is a winner. She's going to be around for ema.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about Zoe Saldana in Sani Laurent. She's
Speaker 1: been wearing silurent most of the time this season through
Speaker 1: Award season, a lot of black, I think, a lot
Speaker 1: of black. Zoe is one of the coolest women around.
Speaker 1: She is. She really deserves all this and it's nice
Speaker 1: to watch her sore in this. Her stylist is Petro Flannery.
Speaker 1: She's also done a lot of black and a lot
Speaker 1: of architecture and a lot of like necklines and colors
Speaker 1: and arm detail and all of the thing. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I personally have preferred her Bafta one even more. I
Speaker 1: really loved that that was so ic I would wear
Speaker 1: that a thousand percent. But I love this too, and
Speaker 1: I think she looks great. And what I love about
Speaker 1: Zoe is that she is so stunning. Yes, but she
Speaker 1: doesn't wear things that ever overpower or take away from
Speaker 1: her natural beauty. She like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I think she looks cool. And she's a mom
Speaker 1: of three boys, yes, I know. And every time I
Speaker 1: look at her, I'm like, wow, Okay.
Speaker 2: I saw some somebody online said that she was serving
Speaker 2: like Dallas realness, Dallas as Joe, But no, I think
Speaker 2: she's stunning. What do you think of the What do
Speaker 2: you think of the bracelet? So she has you know,
Speaker 2: the dress is structured that one there's one sleeve and
Speaker 2: then sleeveless on the other side. What do you think
Speaker 2: of the bracelet?
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: It's a it's like a cuff, it's like a it
Speaker 2: looks like sort of meshy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's perfect. Yeah. I think it picks up
Speaker 1: on the detail of the architectural shoulder moment, which is
Speaker 1: obviously what they were trying to do. And I like it,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, that's the thing when you
Speaker 1: have a one shoulder the bracelet should always go on
Speaker 1: the one that doesn't have You.
Speaker 2: Got to play opposites. Well, she was a winner, so
Speaker 2: we will see for oscars for missus Zo.
Speaker 1: So this was funny. Kiki Palmer not funny, but Kiki
Speaker 1: Palmer invented Chanel, and obviously I'd like lit up because
Speaker 1: I was like, bitched on my dress.
Speaker 2: Be really this When I saw Kiki, I gasped because
Speaker 2: I was like, this dress, this vented Chanel looks very
Speaker 2: familiar to.
Speaker 1: Me, and it looks like in the image here is
Speaker 1: mine right behind it.
Speaker 2: So tell us about this gown.
Speaker 1: So this is from in nineteen eighty seven. I believe
Speaker 1: this collection Chanel collection nineteen eighty seven black velvet, and
Speaker 1: this particular detail at the top of the dress. I
Speaker 1: have the identical dress in a different silhouette, yes, but
Speaker 1: the exact same top. And it's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: pieces in my archive. It's so special and I'm so
Speaker 1: happy to see her where it.
Speaker 2: She looks beautiful, she looks stunning.
Speaker 1: It fits her perfectly. I love the gloves, I love
Speaker 1: the whole thing.
Speaker 2: I think it looks so gorgeous on her. Again, I
Speaker 2: love these stars going back and wearing these vintage treasures.
Speaker 2: Also fun fact, I saw on one of the round
Speaker 2: up shows that Jamie Lee Curtis wore that dress also
Speaker 2: in the AA. I saw that, so that was that's cool.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just love this. I mean, vintage to Melviny,
Speaker 2: What are you gonna?
Speaker 1: Can we have a moment for Jane Fonda and Bob Mackie.
Speaker 1: She's such a queen, She's it was HARMANI just kidding.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. In my mind it was Bob Mackie because.
Speaker 2: It literally moves like a Bob Mcki.
Speaker 1: Again, I felt like Bob Mackie in my head. But
Speaker 1: it's actually Georgia Armani Privey and it's beautiful and she's
Speaker 1: such a coen. She's I mean, everything she says, I
Speaker 1: just want to hold on to for dear life.
Speaker 2: I could listen to her forever. She's just such an
Speaker 2: incredible force and role model. She's just the best.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to talk about another trend that
Speaker 1: I really loved because I mean, Mary, you know, in
Speaker 1: my probably one of the colors I probably styled most
Speaker 1: in my career was a blush nude yes, And it's
Speaker 1: always nice to see it because I think it just
Speaker 1: looks good on every skin tone. Ariana Grande and custom loive,
Speaker 1: and she looked like an angel princess and she really did.
Speaker 1: She looked. I think this was one of her most
Speaker 1: princess fairy kind of moments. Yes, I still haven't seen Wickeds.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be all sess and the kids are gonna
Speaker 2: love it, do you think, yes, Kaius especially really yes, yes,
Speaker 2: you should watch it as a family.
Speaker 1: You will be obsessed.
Speaker 2: So again we talked about this four Golden Globes, but
Speaker 2: both Cynthia Arrivo and Ariana are definitely doing this sort
Speaker 2: of on carpet character nod that is very popular. So obviously,
Speaker 2: miss Ariana was nominated and played Glinda from Wicked. And
Speaker 2: again she's been wearing a lot of pinky, nudy kind
Speaker 2: of dresses, but to me, this one has been the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She just the way the shoulder drape, the detail of
Speaker 2: the flowers on the gund I just think she looks
Speaker 2: so beautiful.
Speaker 1: I agree, I really agree. I have to talk about
Speaker 1: Sophia Carson though she killed it. Yeah, and honestly, like
Speaker 1: she knew it. You could tell how someone stands is
Speaker 1: you know how they feel. And I watched her on
Speaker 1: video kind of doing her red carpet moment as like
Speaker 1: she knows she's shutting it down right now. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: she felt it. It's like how Jlo walks on a carpet.
Speaker 2: She was one of the like host actors for the evening.
Speaker 2: She was like one of the like ambassador the SAG Awards.
Speaker 2: So I think she just, like a nominated actor, had
Speaker 2: the license to like go for it, and she did.
Speaker 2: She looked like Hollywood royalty.
Speaker 1: She really did. And you know, I never get tired
Speaker 1: of that. And you know, listen, this was Ili sab
Speaker 1: show Pard jewelry, very elaborate. She really went for it.
Speaker 1: It feels very Oscars. This was an Oscar look to me. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm glad she did it. Rob and maryel are her
Speaker 1: stylists who are friends, and they are so talented. I
Speaker 1: love this look. I also love that it's a moment,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I just I love when there's a real
Speaker 1: Hollywood moment, and this is definitely one of them.
Speaker 2: The hair is beautiful, so clean, and but perfectly leans
Speaker 2: into the old Hollywood.
Speaker 1: It's also very rare. I can tell you. In my career,
Speaker 1: I think there's so many times that a look gets
Speaker 1: destroyed by the wrong hair makeup, and I think this
Speaker 1: was so right on. Yeah, you know, I think the hair,
Speaker 1: the make of everything was just absolutely stunning. I have
Speaker 1: a question for you.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that, okay, because both of these women,
Speaker 2: Ariana and Sofia, who wore these sort of pinkinky blush,
Speaker 2: have very understated glam. Has been doing this sort of
Speaker 2: like very dainty. She's not doing dramatic eye, she's doing
Speaker 2: like some good contour and like a like a pretty
Speaker 2: pink lip, but she's not going going big with the
Speaker 2: with the makeup and noorous Sofia in this. So is
Speaker 2: that how you would envision if you had a client?
Speaker 1: I yeah, because the thing when you wear these colors,
Speaker 1: you have to you can't. You can't wear makeup. That's
Speaker 1: overpowering because when you're wearing something soft, you have to
Speaker 1: play off that. You still want the makeup, right, you
Speaker 1: still want the vibe. But you can do a no
Speaker 1: makeup makeup and still have I do think you still
Speaker 1: need a lip, or you still need some smoke around
Speaker 1: the eye.
Speaker 2: See that's the one little tweak for me. I put
Speaker 2: some colored lip or I.
Speaker 1: Because but I think on Sophia. She did it beautifully.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not. She definitely has more eye on for sure,
Speaker 2: she definitely has more ion. And I mean again, that
Speaker 2: necklace is like, I can't a hundred carrots. That's the
Speaker 2: same show part diamonds. It's literally you if you were choking.
Speaker 1: So love how she was standing like the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I loved this moment.
Speaker 2: She knows what she's doing.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about Erry Washington? Yes, of course, also
Speaker 1: a friend also styled by Robbie Maryel. She never misses
Speaker 1: never she was wearing again. It was a huge night
Speaker 1: for Armani. It was and do you remember at the
Speaker 1: most recent coture, I said, this was one of my
Speaker 1: most favorite Harmoni Previo Day shows ever ever, And here
Speaker 1: we are it was absolutely stunning. It was modern and
Speaker 1: gorgeous and elaborate and glamorous and I mean screaming award
Speaker 1: season Yeah. And this look was stunning. I mean again,
Speaker 1: the perfect sort of blush. It's like a blushy silver
Speaker 1: metallic stunning. And Carrie's stunning and it was I just
Speaker 1: love this whole thing. I love that it was sheer
Speaker 1: without being shaked. Yeah, I mean you said it, not me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think I would love if the
Speaker 2: sheer trend moved in this direction.
Speaker 1: Because it it's not sheer, yeah, or where it's sheer,
Speaker 1: but it's but you don't see lady.
Speaker 2: Parts because the art can become the clothes again and
Speaker 2: the body is not the art anymore, you know. But
Speaker 2: I think this, like this overlay is so gorgeous and like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, call me crazy, but like I feel
Speaker 2: like this is like a cool like bridal second time
Speaker 2: round vibe married, how gorgeous I get married in this?
Speaker 2: And she looks honestly comfortable, like the high neck, the
Speaker 2: long sleep like I'm sure she was like the most
Speaker 2: comfortable of the night for sure, or if she wasn't,
Speaker 2: she's hiding it very well. Nominee. One of my favorite queen's,
Speaker 2: Pamela Anderson's stunning indior white one shoulder looking like.
Speaker 1: Sort of it's out of my archive now it's I
Speaker 1: was going to say, I feel like you.
Speaker 2: Have of that.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful.
Speaker 2: She look I know how you feel about the no makeup,
Speaker 2: but if you're gonna do no makeup, you crush it
Speaker 2: with gown and you crush it with the hair. And
Speaker 2: I think she did.
Speaker 1: She did, and she's stunning. I think, listen, I have
Speaker 1: huge admiration for her. I think coming out with a
Speaker 1: statement about just embracing her natural beauty and not wearing
Speaker 1: a stitch of makeup, I mean that is that is
Speaker 1: something that is a subvention.
Speaker 2: Of how we all have seen and thought of Pamela
Speaker 2: Anderson for years.
Speaker 1: She does not look like a bay Watch babe in
Speaker 1: a red bathing suit running out of the ocean.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, like happy and.
Speaker 1: Happy, stunning, confident, I'm good vibe and she looks stunning,
Speaker 1: and I love her and I'm so happy for It's
Speaker 1: so nice to see, you know, it's so nice to
Speaker 1: see someone have that, you know, that rebirth and just
Speaker 1: kind of own who she is. And you know, do
Speaker 1: you think there's a part of her, because we we're
Speaker 1: talking before the pot about this, you said, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe like a little gloss, a little mass care. Do
Speaker 1: you think there's a part.
Speaker 2: Of her that is like, oh shit, I've like committed
Speaker 2: to this thing of no makeup and now I have
Speaker 2: to turn off.
Speaker 1: Every carpet Listen, like moisturizer. I think it's the same
Speaker 1: thing as women that come out like I'm never getting botox,
Speaker 1: or I'm never doing, you know, anything to my face,
Speaker 1: and then I think when they turn a certain age,
Speaker 1: they're like, my best friend looks really good. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, I feel like I feel like I
Speaker 1: admire so much like women that are like, this is
Speaker 1: me aging, this is me feeling my most beautiful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you know me, I'm fighting this every step
Speaker 1: of the way. But that's me and that's how I feel.
Speaker 1: And I think everybody is entitled to own what makes
Speaker 1: them feel the best themselves, because you have to look
Speaker 1: in the mirror every day, you know.
Speaker 2: And I mean, look, she was nominated for a film
Speaker 2: called Showgirl, where she's playing a Las Vegas showgirl, So
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, tons of makeup, if not right,
Speaker 2: ballons of makeup, and I feel like, you know, it's
Speaker 2: just such a way for her as a woman as
Speaker 2: a person to distance herself from that version of her.
Speaker 1: And I can tell you truthfully, like, as a stylist,
Speaker 1: so many of my conversations with my clients over the
Speaker 1: years was sort of like, you know, if they were
Speaker 1: playing like a really dark role, yeah, you know, they
Speaker 1: would want to come out either just like that in
Speaker 1: that somber way and we're black throughout the entire press tour,
Speaker 1: or they wanted to go the polar opposite and be like,
Speaker 1: I've been in this dark place with no makeup, not
Speaker 1: feeling like a woman, not feeling sexy. I am giving
Speaker 1: Let's go for it life, you know, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to wear plunging downs and tons of you know, like
Speaker 1: a red lip and you know, the whole. And so
Speaker 1: I think you really have to follow the lead of
Speaker 1: the actor of who they want to put out there,
Speaker 1: you know, who they want to put into the world,
Speaker 1: because it's really scary. You know, it's really scary. Everybody's
Speaker 1: looking at you, everybody's talking about you. Everyone has an opinion,
Speaker 1: Everyone has an opinion.
Speaker 2: It so goes back to your constant point of like
Speaker 2: styling is psychology.
Speaker 1: It is psychology. Yeah, it is pniicology social especially with women,
Speaker 1: but listen with men too, you know, men go through it.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that I've worked with a lot
Speaker 1: of men over the years, and they go through it too.
Speaker 1: Who do they want to be and trying to sort
Speaker 1: of try to sort of figure out how they can
Speaker 1: be a little more than they are, but not look
Speaker 1: too much, not look like they're trying, because there's nothing
Speaker 1: worse than a guy that looks like he's trying. Who
Speaker 1: you know, major ick major ick.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on to some more controversial outside the
Speaker 2: box looks from the Evening Queen Cynthia arrivo or vintage
Speaker 2: Jivonkatur designed by the late Great Master Alexander McQueen.
Speaker 1: Who is lucky enough to meet in my lifetime, which
Speaker 1: you are so lucky.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about this. Yep, it's obviously not for everybody.
Speaker 1: No, you know, I'd wear it though.
Speaker 2: But that is of course you would. That is so
Speaker 2: Cynthia and how she has just this entire award season.
Speaker 2: The really fun thing about the Cynthia and the Ariana
Speaker 2: Grande of all of this is that they are nominated
Speaker 2: for Part one of Wicked. There is a part two movie,
Speaker 2: so they will get to do this all over again.
Speaker 2: It I know, right, So again we have seen Cynthia
Speaker 2: wear a lot of green, the nod to Alpha Ba,
Speaker 2: the character she plays in the film Wicked. This is
Speaker 2: giving tin man, but I mean, she's she's such an
Speaker 2: artis and she seeks out true art and so this
Speaker 2: makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: Listen, I have to tell you the makeup, Yes, with
Speaker 1: the look and just how she stands in it and
Speaker 1: she owns it like the thing is like I'm in
Speaker 1: her head here, Yep, I get this. I would fucking
Speaker 1: wear this. Yeah, I would. And I think it's cool
Speaker 1: as shit. It is And is it maybe the form
Speaker 1: to wear it to sag, maybe it's for more of
Speaker 1: a fashion event, maybe it's to wear in Paris, But
Speaker 1: to me a vintage McQueen Javanci moment from nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: seven and is a moment worth having, Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: and listen. I also have mad respect for the way
Speaker 1: that she's expressing herself through fashion, in the way that
Speaker 1: she wants to do it with giving nods to the character,
Speaker 1: you know, the character is in the film. And I think,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I think she's so fucking cool.
Speaker 1: She's you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like I just so do And I love that she's
Speaker 2: obviously nominated for Oscars and we'll see her again the
Speaker 2: following week, and this is her chance. She's like, I
Speaker 2: want to wear something vintage and something amazing, and this
Speaker 2: is her chance to do it because undoubtedly she has
Speaker 2: a custom piece coming for Oscar night. I love I
Speaker 2: love the pacing of how she's rolling out her looks.
Speaker 2: I think it's really cool.
Speaker 1: Okay, now this one I don't love, and next one
Speaker 1: I don't love. I'm just here child while our war
Speaker 1: custom louvaiton. Yes, and we actually put up a pole
Speaker 1: on our climbing and Hills social to see if people
Speaker 1: were in love with this or not.
Speaker 2: They were not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's giving lampshade.
Speaker 2: It's you know what it reminds me of.
Speaker 1: And I don't like to say that it's just for me.
Speaker 1: I just she's so stunning, she's so talented.
Speaker 2: She is such a good actress.
Speaker 1: I sat with her at an event. Actually, she's lovely,
Speaker 1: so beautiful.
Speaker 2: You know. The thing is is that adds when you're
Speaker 2: going for something this out there. Let's say it's not
Speaker 2: showing off her beautiful body in any way, you know,
Speaker 2: and like, how do you sit in it?
Speaker 1: I want to look I want to look at her, Yes,
Speaker 1: I want to look at her. And the dress compliment.
Speaker 2: From how beautiful and talented she is, I think a
Speaker 2: little bit. But it does kind of give this structure
Speaker 2: of this dress does kind of look like you remember
Speaker 2: Miss Pots from Beauty and the beast.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, yeah, yes, okay, let's talk about
Speaker 1: guys for a second. Yes, okay, can we talk about
Speaker 1: Timothy Shelmy all day?
Speaker 2: I'm here all day.
Speaker 1: Okay. So he's been warning, he's been wearing a lot
Speaker 1: of crumb Hearts by my brilliant friend Laurie Stark Luri
Speaker 1: and Richard Stark, founders of Crumbhearts, which is at the
Speaker 1: height of cool. My kids there is a line outside
Speaker 1: this store in Aspen and in st Bart's ye, and
Speaker 1: my kids are obsessed and they are just killing it
Speaker 1: on the carpet with custom for Kim Kurdash. And I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously Timothy shell May he's just cool. And I listen,
Speaker 1: I love a guy that is going to be fearless.
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw Austin Butler when he came through
Speaker 1: his Elvis tour an award season, wearing like, you know,
Speaker 1: not what's expected all the time, a little elvisy, a
Speaker 1: little Celeranie, a little you know. But Timothy, I think here,
Speaker 1: you know, we just saw him wearing all pink yes
Speaker 1: to something recently with Kylie Jenner. They're so cute, yes,
Speaker 1: And I think he's having fun. He's clearly loving the moment. Listen,
Speaker 1: he's playing Bob Dylan. Yeah, like, have fun with it,
Speaker 1: have fun with it.
Speaker 2: I think the internet sort of feedback was like, of course,
Speaker 2: Timothy Shalla make and wear like a leather shooping and
Speaker 2: like a Cartier Bolero tie and listen cool. I think
Speaker 2: the green through people.
Speaker 1: Listen, I don't love the green. I would prefer that
Speaker 1: that was white all day long. I would pay for
Speaker 1: that to be white.
Speaker 2: Sure, he also won. He also he also.
Speaker 1: I saw the speech. Yeah, it was to be one
Speaker 1: of the greats. And I don't think there's anything wrong
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: No, there's not.
Speaker 1: I don't think there should be controversy in that. He's
Speaker 1: basically he was saying like he was basically saying, I
Speaker 1: admire the greats. I know this isn't popular to speak
Speaker 1: this way, but I want to be one of the greats,
Speaker 1: like ipire. What is wrong with that?
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with that?
Speaker 1: Like that's why why is that controversial?
Speaker 2: I don't think it was controversial. I think it was
Speaker 2: just I think people. I think the response to him
Speaker 2: saying all of that has been really positive that people
Speaker 2: are now going like, yeah, we should not be afraid
Speaker 2: of our ambitions or we shouldn't especially women, we shouldn't
Speaker 2: hold back. And he literally stood up there and said,
Speaker 2: I want to be Danield Lewis. I want to be
Speaker 2: like you know, Viola Davis, like he's great Marlon Brando
Speaker 2: without shame, and it's like good for yeah, and he
Speaker 2: will he will.
Speaker 1: By the way, It's true because I think as women
Speaker 1: were always like, oh, I want to be that. I
Speaker 1: want to be really good at what.
Speaker 2: I do, right, or you don't even say that.
Speaker 1: No, I want to be the fucking best, right. But
Speaker 1: I will say this for me, coming up in my career,
Speaker 1: I think everyone was like, well, what was your goals,
Speaker 1: what was your goals? What was your blueprint? And my
Speaker 1: answer was just always like I didn't have a plan.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be the best at what I
Speaker 1: was doing. And the thing is, it's so subjective, right
Speaker 1: because people always like, oh, you were at this or
Speaker 1: you're that, and it's like, well, there also could have
Speaker 1: been a lot of people that were like she fucking.
Speaker 2: Sucked, sure, like that's life.
Speaker 1: I hated her fucking stuff, right.
Speaker 2: Like, so, I'm sure some people saw him play Bob Dylan,
Speaker 2: true die hard Dylan people and were like, no, not
Speaker 2: for me. However, he like committed five years of his
Speaker 2: life to stunning and then playing and shooting as Bob Dylan.
Speaker 2: So I think he's incredible. I think his again. He
Speaker 2: can wear whatever he wants. He's also a fashion guy,
Speaker 2: like he's not afraid. He's out here to take risks.
Speaker 1: I also love that he speaks French fluently. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: he's Yeah, he's the hip boy I mean, and he's
Speaker 1: going to be around forever.
Speaker 2: Love him, okay, True man.
Speaker 1: And Valentino new Valentino on the showdra mckelly. He's on
Speaker 1: Outer Banks. For those of you that don't know him,
Speaker 1: he pas. He plays wrath Raf.
Speaker 2: He's very handsome.
Speaker 1: He is very handsome.
Speaker 2: We pulled this look. People are very confused by a
Speaker 2: scarf worn in place of a traditional neck tie.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna say what is going on here? Okay,
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. One of the things I find
Speaker 1: the hottest on men is when instead of a tie,
Speaker 1: they might do like an ascot. Traditionally it's called more
Speaker 1: of a scarf, but it's tucked into the shirt when
Speaker 1: it's open. I find that extremely hot. It's very European.
Speaker 1: It's very viby, you know. I love that moment. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm not someone that's obsessed with ties. I'm not someone
Speaker 1: that's obsessed with bow ties. However, why PTSD this one?
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Alissandra mckelly, who used to be at Gucci, has now
Speaker 1: taken over as the creative directors of Valentino And the jacket,
Speaker 1: the shirt, the pants. I actually love the pants. I
Speaker 1: think I think the pants are great. I love I
Speaker 1: love like it's somewhat saucy, but it has a seam
Speaker 1: which I love. I love the cuff, I love the
Speaker 1: way the jacket fits. I think it's great. The scarf
Speaker 1: as a tie is not working for me. I think
Speaker 1: that alissandrum kelly always has a little bit of camp. Yes,
Speaker 1: and I think this is just one of the new
Speaker 1: things that he's brought to the runway. And understandably people
Speaker 1: don't love it necessarily it's too long.
Speaker 2: Don't you. Yeah, don't you think it's a proportion thing. Yeah?
Speaker 1: But also like I wouldn't put red there. I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have that be read. I'm more tonal like
Speaker 1: political guys. Yeah, I mean a red tie right now.
Speaker 1: I'm also a little sensitive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the blue with the I don't know
Speaker 2: it's giving like it just it ruins it for me.
Speaker 1: It ruins it for me. But he's gorgeous. The look
Speaker 1: is gorgeous minus the scarf tie.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think we can just give a general
Speaker 2: shout out to the men in Hollywood taking chances these days.
Speaker 2: They're not all in black anymore. They're taking chances with
Speaker 2: color and shapes.
Speaker 1: I love a guy who has style.
Speaker 2: I mean, Kendrick Lamar wore flaired jeans.
Speaker 1: You know I loved that. I loved it. I love
Speaker 1: a man in flared Dunham.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: I do. Like why not, Like I feel like a Coachella,
Speaker 1: We're going to see a lot of guys in Florid Dunham.
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I definitely I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: You know I've always been. I've been here for it.
Speaker 1: I mean when Hetty Slamine took over Selene, I mean
Speaker 1: everyone was in Yes, and I'm I'm I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: You know that I will. I will die in a
Speaker 1: wide leg or a flair.
Speaker 2: We know it. We know it.
Speaker 1: Granted it has to be.
Speaker 2: Chanel, but well, here we go. I think very very
Speaker 2: huge Chanelle flares coming up on Hollywood's biggest night. The
Speaker 2: Oscars are right around the corner. Thoughts and prayers to
Speaker 2: all stylists, makeup artists, hair stylist, hair stylist, jewelry lenders, uh,
Speaker 2: dress steamers, everyone, social media capturers. Thoughts and prayers with
Speaker 2: everybody going into the big, big, big red carpet. We're
Speaker 2: excited to see it.
Speaker 1: Until post Oscars, we will talk next week about all things.
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