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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing

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Speaker 1: in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and

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Speaker 1: of course fun. I'm back this week after a little

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Speaker 1: winter vacation with my boys and my sister, Asvin is

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Speaker 1: truly my favorite winter destination and I had the best time.

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Speaker 1: And today I thought i'd fill you in on my

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Speaker 1: trip a little bit of course, talk more red carpet

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Speaker 1: fashion from the Sagawards, which was so good, and I

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Speaker 1: will touch on my New York trip as well. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here to chat with me, as always is my producer,

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Speaker 1: Mary Elizabeth Sillitz.

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Speaker 2: Jump right in, Rachel Zoe. Welcome back to the pod.

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Speaker 1: Oh, welcome back to life.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to life. Okay, so girl, I left life you.

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Speaker 1: You really did, though, So we talk about flu.

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Speaker 2: Yeah okay, So for our listeners, you might recall that

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Speaker 2: before Rachel went on her trip last week, we recorded

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Speaker 2: an episode for you guys about fashion week questions, and

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Speaker 2: people were asking questions like what time to show start,

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Speaker 2: how do you pack? Blah blah blah. That was, in

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Speaker 2: fact the last day before you took a really gnarly

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Speaker 2: turn for the worse. Yeah, I did, so Rachel can explain,

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Speaker 2: but she at the tail end of fashion week got

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Speaker 2: hit with the type A flu.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which, by the way, full disclosure, I did not

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Speaker 1: know there was a type A and a type B.

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Speaker 1: And in full disclosure, I don't know that I've ever

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Speaker 1: had the flu. And also I will say this is

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Speaker 1: and I know it's controversial for some I've never not

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Speaker 1: had a flu shot. This was the first year I

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Speaker 1: didn't get a flu shot, simply because I forgot, and

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Speaker 1: then it was kind of felt too bait, and then

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Speaker 1: I just should have gotten it and I didn't. And

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Speaker 1: I did New York Fashion Week very hard and very fast,

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Speaker 1: and it took me down. It just knocked me, like

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Speaker 1: literally knocked me out.

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Speaker 2: I have worked for you for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen you that ill.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've been that ill in my entire life.

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Speaker 1: I've had COVID. I've never been as sick as I

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Speaker 1: was from the flu. So people that say, oh, I'm

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Speaker 1: not scared of the flu, I'm here to say be scared.

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Speaker 1: I am. I have a really good immune system and

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Speaker 1: I have a really high tolerance. I had to work.

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Speaker 1: I had one hundred and two point five fever, the

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Speaker 1: most brutal cough. Ye, my sister, God love her. She

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Speaker 1: did not leave my side for four days. Sweet Pamela Angel,

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Speaker 1: Pamela Angel, Pamela literally Angel, sister of life. And I'm

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Speaker 1: such a germophobe and now I know that if she

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Speaker 1: gets the flu, I'm going to have to stay by

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Speaker 1: her side with the maskt clubs because she literally did

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Speaker 1: not leave my hotel room. It's payback, yeah, and my

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Speaker 1: trip well. Also, I wanted to touch on that about

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Speaker 1: the working mom thing because we do talk about that

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Speaker 1: a lot, and how my Valentine's Day was inarguably the

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Speaker 1: worst Valentine's Day of my existence, where at one hundred

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Speaker 1: and two point five fever, my children were across the

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Speaker 1: country in La I was stuck in New York. We

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Speaker 1: my Valentines, and I just cried the whole day. And

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Speaker 1: I don't even like Valentine's Day. It wasn't even about

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Speaker 1: Valentine's Day. I think it was about being stuck away

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Speaker 2: And having like just an actual very high fever.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was in a bad fever dream like I know,

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Speaker 1: I used the term fever dreams.

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Speaker 2: This is a real one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a real one.

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Speaker 2: And you know it's it's you were so sick that

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Speaker 2: you had to delay your travels because three days you

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Speaker 2: needed to get better before flying. So but eventually you

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Speaker 1: Note I did. And actually for summer, I mean I've

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Speaker 1: It is pretty magical, I have to say it is.

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Speaker 1: It was really nice to be out of la I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: there that just feels so clear and clean, and you

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Speaker 2: There's something mentally that happens when it's like clear skies,

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Speaker 1: The light there, hits different, like it really does, like

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Speaker 1: I'm not cute when I'm an aspin because you just

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Speaker 2: Our listeners, please go look at the carousel posts she

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Speaker 2: did have aspen and feel free to sound off on

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Speaker 2: how not cute you look. You looked so freaking cute.

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Speaker 2: Your looks were so cute, and you know you are

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Speaker 2: the coat Queen loves and the faux fur Queen Vintage

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Speaker 2: for queen. So this is like, I feel like your

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Speaker 2: Olympics in a way. It's time for you. It's the

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Speaker 2: real time for you to shine.

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Speaker 1: I didn't ski as much as I would have liked

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into that. For those of you who

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Speaker 2: might assume Rachel Zoe can't throw or catch a ball,

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Speaker 2: play tennis, ski down very steep mountain sides, you're wrong.

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Speaker 2: She can. It might be the only time you're climbing

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Speaker 2: in ski boots instead of heels, but you posted yourself

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Speaker 2: Are you terrified? Now? Are you confident? Like? What's your

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Speaker 2: mental state when you know you're going to be going down?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I started skiing when I was four years old,

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Speaker 1: I did ski races, advantage. I did ski races. I

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Speaker 1: did double black diamonds. I was a fearless, fearless skier

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Speaker 1: more excited I was, the bigger the jump, I just went.

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Speaker 1: My dad used to say he couldn't video me because

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Speaker 1: I never would wait. I just would go. You could

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Speaker 1: when you're a child, you're obviously fearless. And you know,

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Speaker 1: It's like if something happens to you, they are without mother,

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Speaker 1: you can't go down, you can't go down. So I

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Speaker 1: it started to become And I'd made a promise to

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Speaker 1: The look from those baby blues from both my boys, Mommy,

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Speaker 2: I always like breathe a sigh of relief when I

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Speaker 2: know that you're back, because people, depending on who you

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Speaker 2: follow on social media, people have been snapping acls left

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Speaker 2: and right this ski season, so it's true. I was

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Speaker 2: a little concerned, but we're glad you're home safe.

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Speaker 1: I did fall after Sky when when Sky had his

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Speaker 2: Yeah that'll that'll end your your run for sure.

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Speaker 1: But it was beautiful. I'm incredibly I'm fair weathered so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, tell us about the Palm Tree festivals. Skiing

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Speaker 2: tell us about the Palm Tree Festival because again, pending

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Speaker 2: who you're sort of following on social media, a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was asking for this.

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Speaker 2: So what it looks like. It's a it's a music

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Speaker 2: festival that happens annually, and it's two nights, I think

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Speaker 1: Two nights, and it's outdoors. It's it's kind of behind

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Speaker 1: as I don't forget what it's called. But it's called

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Speaker 1: the Palm Tree Festival. Little did I know, I was

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Speaker 1: actually at the Palm Tree Festival on New Year's in

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Speaker 1: Saint Barts as well, right, A part like the same

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Speaker 1: the same people that, right, So I'm a little new

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Speaker 1: to this. And so one of I went with Don Julio.

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Speaker 1: They had a beautiful table up in the VIP area,

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Speaker 1: which for me like, okay, so fun fact about me.

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Speaker 1: I am terrified of massive crowds. Sure, I am terrified.

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Speaker 1: I'm here to admit it. It's okay. You have to

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Speaker 1: and I get trampled on really easily. I've never been

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Speaker 2: You're not going to find Rachel Zoe in the pit.

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Speaker 1: No, you're not going to find me in the pit.

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Speaker 2: Timothy Shallomey the Bob Dylan film.

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Speaker 1: I love him.

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Speaker 2: I love him.

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Speaker 1: We'll go back to that later, Yes, we will get

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Speaker 1: to miss her. She's stunning, honestly stunning.

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00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 2: Stunning, so elegant but sexy, youthful.

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Speaker 1: I loved this door, yes, like I loved this like

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Speaker 1: every once in a while we need a sexy dress moment,

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Speaker 1: a sexy red dress moment, like and honestly like for

441
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Speaker 1: a long time. I think there was too many of them. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and it was like we just kept it was like

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Speaker 1: Rent and repeat, Rensom, repeat who's making the sexy red dress?

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Speaker 1: And I feel like I haven't seen one in a while.

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Speaker 1: And this was very not dere like I didn't never

446
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: no said no, no no.

447
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 2: And the collar on her skin is stunning, the like

448
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: simple clean hair.

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00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: I loved it.

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00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 2: And she's actually been named like a door ambassador if

451
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Speaker 2: I'm very excited to see Monica on more red carpets.

452
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: Because she's cool.

453
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 2: She and she just again that point of like.

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Speaker 1: I love the diamond, the thing on the on the wrist,

455
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: I love just like a cuff and a stud.

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00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: Something about SAG Awards is like effortless and so good.

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Speaker 1: I'm into it.

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Speaker 2: Another winner at the SAG Awards was like one of

459
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Speaker 2: my favorite favorite favorite up and comers and soy and

460
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: she won. She's been winning for her her role in

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Speaker 2: the television is Showgun beautiful, strikingly gorgeous and custom.

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Speaker 1: Georgia ARMANI preve I kind of knew that when I

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Speaker 1: saw it. I was like, yeah, that is definitely, but

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Speaker 1: it was it was. I mean, it's very architectural, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think controversial to some you know, like not everyone

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Speaker 1: loves that thing when it's away from the body and

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Speaker 1: like whatever. But what I loved is, to be honest,

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Speaker 1: I don't think the picture does it justice. I think

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Speaker 1: on the carpet in video like it was even better

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Speaker 1: because it looks like it's almost these two things that

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Speaker 1: are disconnected when in the front one in the back,

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Speaker 1: and then it's illusion on the side. And I don't know,

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Speaker 1: she's she's stunning.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the architecture of the bust area. Yeah,

475
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: so for me, a fashion norm some of the super

476
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: architectural builds a La Scaparelli.

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Speaker 1: Don't do it for me. Yeah, of course, because you

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00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: I get that.

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Speaker 2: It's a little too it's a little too left of

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Speaker 2: center right this, I think, if you're going to do it,

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Speaker 2: this is like the great compromise. It's like just enough.

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00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: You know. Some of these like front structure dresses I

483
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Speaker 2: feel go too high block the collarbone, which feels like

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, they're like in a cost like

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought, this is how you do

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Speaker 2: it if you're going to go more advanced structure in

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Speaker 2: a gown.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I think She's so strikingly beautiful that you know,

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Speaker 1: in a way, I would have loved a softer neckline

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Speaker 1: there on her, like have it be a little lower,

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Speaker 1: because what's happening is I want to look at her face,

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Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the top. I want it to

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Speaker 1: like I would like it to be like an inch

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Speaker 1: or two lower, quite honestly, But I also like the

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Speaker 1: severity of it, and I liked the I like the

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Speaker 1: art of it, honestly, I really do.

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Speaker 2: She is a winner. She's going to be around for ema.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about Zoe Saldana in Sani Laurent. She's

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Speaker 1: been wearing silurent most of the time this season through

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Speaker 1: Award season, a lot of black, I think, a lot

501
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Speaker 1: of black. Zoe is one of the coolest women around.

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Speaker 1: She is. She really deserves all this and it's nice

503
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Speaker 1: to watch her sore in this. Her stylist is Petro Flannery.

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Speaker 1: She's also done a lot of black and a lot

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00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: of architecture and a lot of like necklines and colors

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Speaker 1: and arm detail and all of the thing. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: I personally have preferred her Bafta one even more. I

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Speaker 1: really loved that that was so ic I would wear

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Speaker 1: that a thousand percent. But I love this too, and

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Speaker 1: I think she looks great. And what I love about

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Speaker 1: Zoe is that she is so stunning. Yes, but she

512
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Speaker 1: doesn't wear things that ever overpower or take away from

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Speaker 1: her natural beauty. She like, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And I think she looks cool. And she's a mom

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Speaker 1: of three boys, yes, I know. And every time I

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Speaker 1: look at her, I'm like, wow, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I saw some somebody online said that she was serving

518
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Speaker 2: like Dallas realness, Dallas as Joe, But no, I think

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00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: she's stunning. What do you think of the What do

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Speaker 2: you think of the bracelet? So she has you know,

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Speaker 2: the dress is structured that one there's one sleeve and

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Speaker 2: then sleeveless on the other side. What do you think

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Speaker 2: of the bracelet?

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's like a cuff, it's like a it

526
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: looks like sort of meshy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's perfect. Yeah. I think it picks up

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Speaker 1: on the detail of the architectural shoulder moment, which is

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Speaker 1: obviously what they were trying to do. And I like it,

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Speaker 1: and I think, you know, that's the thing when you

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Speaker 1: have a one shoulder the bracelet should always go on

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Speaker 1: the one that doesn't have You.

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Speaker 2: Got to play opposites. Well, she was a winner, so

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Speaker 2: we will see for oscars for missus Zo.

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Speaker 1: So this was funny. Kiki Palmer not funny, but Kiki

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00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: Palmer invented Chanel, and obviously I'd like lit up because

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Speaker 1: I was like, bitched on my dress.

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Speaker 2: Be really this When I saw Kiki, I gasped because

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Speaker 2: I was like, this dress, this vented Chanel looks very

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Speaker 2: familiar to.

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Speaker 1: Me, and it looks like in the image here is

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Speaker 1: mine right behind it.

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00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: So tell us about this gown.

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00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: So this is from in nineteen eighty seven. I believe

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00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 1: this collection Chanel collection nineteen eighty seven black velvet, and

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00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: this particular detail at the top of the dress. I

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00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: have the identical dress in a different silhouette, yes, but

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00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: the exact same top. And it's one of my favorite

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00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: pieces in my archive. It's so special and I'm so

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00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: happy to see her where it.

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00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: She looks beautiful, she looks stunning.

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Speaker 1: It fits her perfectly. I love the gloves, I love

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Speaker 1: the whole thing.

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00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: I think it looks so gorgeous on her. Again, I

555
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: love these stars going back and wearing these vintage treasures.

556
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 2: Also fun fact, I saw on one of the round

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Speaker 2: up shows that Jamie Lee Curtis wore that dress also

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Speaker 2: in the AA. I saw that, so that was that's cool.

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00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I just love this. I mean, vintage to Melviny,

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00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: What are you gonna?

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Speaker 1: Can we have a moment for Jane Fonda and Bob Mackie.

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Speaker 1: She's such a queen, She's it was HARMANI just kidding.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. In my mind it was Bob Mackie because.

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00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: It literally moves like a Bob Mcki.

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00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: Again, I felt like Bob Mackie in my head. But

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Speaker 1: it's actually Georgia Armani Privey and it's beautiful and she's

567
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Speaker 1: such a coen. She's I mean, everything she says, I

568
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Speaker 1: just want to hold on to for dear life.

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Speaker 2: I could listen to her forever. She's just such an

570
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: incredible force and role model. She's just the best.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to talk about another trend that

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Speaker 1: I really loved because I mean, Mary, you know, in

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Speaker 1: my probably one of the colors I probably styled most

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Speaker 1: in my career was a blush nude yes, And it's

575
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: always nice to see it because I think it just

576
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: looks good on every skin tone. Ariana Grande and custom loive,

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00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: and she looked like an angel princess and she really did.

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00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: She looked. I think this was one of her most

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Speaker 1: princess fairy kind of moments. Yes, I still haven't seen Wickeds.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be all sess and the kids are gonna

581
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: love it, do you think, yes, Kaius especially really yes, yes,

582
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: you should watch it as a family.

583
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: You will be obsessed.

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Speaker 2: So again we talked about this four Golden Globes, but

585
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: both Cynthia Arrivo and Ariana are definitely doing this sort

586
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: of on carpet character nod that is very popular. So obviously,

587
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: miss Ariana was nominated and played Glinda from Wicked. And

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00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: again she's been wearing a lot of pinky, nudy kind

589
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: of dresses, but to me, this one has been the best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: She just the way the shoulder drape, the detail of

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Speaker 2: the flowers on the gund I just think she looks

593
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: so beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I really agree. I have to talk about

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Speaker 1: Sophia Carson though she killed it. Yeah, and honestly, like

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Speaker 1: she knew it. You could tell how someone stands is

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Speaker 1: you know how they feel. And I watched her on

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Speaker 1: video kind of doing her red carpet moment as like

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Speaker 1: she knows she's shutting it down right now. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: she felt it. It's like how Jlo walks on a carpet.

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Speaker 2: She was one of the like host actors for the evening.

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Speaker 2: She was like one of the like ambassador the SAG Awards.

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Speaker 2: So I think she just, like a nominated actor, had

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Speaker 2: the license to like go for it, and she did.

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Speaker 2: She looked like Hollywood royalty.

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Speaker 1: She really did. And you know, I never get tired

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Speaker 1: of that. And you know, listen, this was Ili sab

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Speaker 1: show Pard jewelry, very elaborate. She really went for it.

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00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: It feels very Oscars. This was an Oscar look to me. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad she did it. Rob and maryel are her

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00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: stylists who are friends, and they are so talented. I

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00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: love this look. I also love that it's a moment,

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00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I just I love when there's a real

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00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,239
Speaker 1: Hollywood moment, and this is definitely one of them.

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00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: The hair is beautiful, so clean, and but perfectly leans

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Speaker 2: into the old Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: It's also very rare. I can tell you. In my career,

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Speaker 1: I think there's so many times that a look gets

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Speaker 1: destroyed by the wrong hair makeup, and I think this

620
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: was so right on. Yeah, you know, I think the hair,

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Speaker 1: the make of everything was just absolutely stunning. I have

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00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: a question for you.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about that, okay, because both of these women,

624
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: Ariana and Sofia, who wore these sort of pinkinky blush,

625
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: have very understated glam. Has been doing this sort of

626
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: like very dainty. She's not doing dramatic eye, she's doing

627
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: like some good contour and like a like a pretty

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00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: pink lip, but she's not going going big with the

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Speaker 2: with the makeup and noorous Sofia in this. So is

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Speaker 2: that how you would envision if you had a client?

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Speaker 1: I yeah, because the thing when you wear these colors,

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00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: you have to you can't. You can't wear makeup. That's

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00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: overpowering because when you're wearing something soft, you have to

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00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: play off that. You still want the makeup, right, you

635
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: still want the vibe. But you can do a no

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00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: makeup makeup and still have I do think you still

637
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: need a lip, or you still need some smoke around

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00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: the eye.

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00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: See that's the one little tweak for me. I put

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Speaker 2: some colored lip or I.

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00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: Because but I think on Sophia. She did it beautifully.

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00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not. She definitely has more eye on for sure,

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00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: she definitely has more ion. And I mean again, that

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00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: necklace is like, I can't a hundred carrots. That's the

645
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: same show part diamonds. It's literally you if you were choking.

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00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: So love how she was standing like the whole thing.

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00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: I loved this moment.

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00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: She knows what she's doing.

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Speaker 1: Can we talk about Erry Washington? Yes, of course, also

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Speaker 1: a friend also styled by Robbie Maryel. She never misses

651
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Speaker 1: never she was wearing again. It was a huge night

652
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Speaker 1: for Armani. It was and do you remember at the

653
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: most recent coture, I said, this was one of my

654
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Speaker 1: most favorite Harmoni Previo Day shows ever ever, And here

655
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Speaker 1: we are it was absolutely stunning. It was modern and

656
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: gorgeous and elaborate and glamorous and I mean screaming award

657
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: season Yeah. And this look was stunning. I mean again,

658
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: the perfect sort of blush. It's like a blushy silver

659
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: metallic stunning. And Carrie's stunning and it was I just

660
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Speaker 1: love this whole thing. I love that it was sheer

661
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: without being shaked. Yeah, I mean you said it, not me.

662
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think I would love if the

663
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: sheer trend moved in this direction.

664
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Speaker 1: Because it it's not sheer, yeah, or where it's sheer,

665
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: but it's but you don't see lady.

666
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: Parts because the art can become the clothes again and

667
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: the body is not the art anymore, you know. But

668
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: I think this, like this overlay is so gorgeous and like,

669
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, call me crazy, but like I feel

670
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: like this is like a cool like bridal second time

671
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: round vibe married, how gorgeous I get married in this?

672
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: And she looks honestly comfortable, like the high neck, the

673
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: long sleep like I'm sure she was like the most

674
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 2: comfortable of the night for sure, or if she wasn't,

675
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: she's hiding it very well. Nominee. One of my favorite queen's,

676
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: Pamela Anderson's stunning indior white one shoulder looking like.

677
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: Sort of it's out of my archive now it's I

678
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: was going to say, I feel like you.

679
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: Have of that.

680
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: It's beautiful.

681
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: She look I know how you feel about the no makeup,

682
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 2: but if you're gonna do no makeup, you crush it

683
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: with gown and you crush it with the hair. And

684
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: I think she did.

685
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: She did, and she's stunning. I think, listen, I have

686
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: huge admiration for her. I think coming out with a

687
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: statement about just embracing her natural beauty and not wearing

688
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: a stitch of makeup, I mean that is that is

689
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: something that is a subvention.

690
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: Of how we all have seen and thought of Pamela

691
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: Anderson for years.

692
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: She does not look like a bay Watch babe in

693
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: a red bathing suit running out of the ocean.

694
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, like happy and.

695
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: Happy, stunning, confident, I'm good vibe and she looks stunning,

696
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: and I love her and I'm so happy for It's

697
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: so nice to see, you know, it's so nice to

698
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: see someone have that, you know, that rebirth and just

699
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: kind of own who she is. And you know, do

700
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: you think there's a part of her, because we we're

701
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: talking before the pot about this, you said, you know,

702
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: maybe like a little gloss, a little mass care. Do

703
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: you think there's a part.

704
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 2: Of her that is like, oh shit, I've like committed

705
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: to this thing of no makeup and now I have

706
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: to turn off.

707
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: Every carpet Listen, like moisturizer. I think it's the same

708
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: thing as women that come out like I'm never getting botox,

709
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: or I'm never doing, you know, anything to my face,

710
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: and then I think when they turn a certain age,

711
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: they're like, my best friend looks really good. But at

712
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: the same time, I feel like I feel like I

713
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: admire so much like women that are like, this is

714
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 1: me aging, this is me feeling my most beautiful. Yeah,

715
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: you know, you know me, I'm fighting this every step

716
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: of the way. But that's me and that's how I feel.

717
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: And I think everybody is entitled to own what makes

718
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: them feel the best themselves, because you have to look

719
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: in the mirror every day, you know.

720
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: And I mean, look, she was nominated for a film

721
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: called Showgirl, where she's playing a Las Vegas showgirl, So

722
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, tons of makeup, if not right,

723
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: ballons of makeup, and I feel like, you know, it's

724
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: just such a way for her as a woman as

725
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: a person to distance herself from that version of her.

726
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: And I can tell you truthfully, like, as a stylist,

727
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: so many of my conversations with my clients over the

728
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: years was sort of like, you know, if they were

729
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: playing like a really dark role, yeah, you know, they

730
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: would want to come out either just like that in

731
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: that somber way and we're black throughout the entire press tour,

732
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: or they wanted to go the polar opposite and be like,

733
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: I've been in this dark place with no makeup, not

734
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: feeling like a woman, not feeling sexy. I am giving

735
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: Let's go for it life, you know, and I'm going

736
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: to wear plunging downs and tons of you know, like

737
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: a red lip and you know, the whole. And so

738
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: I think you really have to follow the lead of

739
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: the actor of who they want to put out there,

740
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, who they want to put into the world,

741
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: because it's really scary. You know, it's really scary. Everybody's

742
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: looking at you, everybody's talking about you. Everyone has an opinion,

743
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: Everyone has an opinion.

744
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: It so goes back to your constant point of like

745
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: styling is psychology.

746
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: It is psychology. Yeah, it is pniicology social especially with women,

747
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: but listen with men too, you know, men go through it.

748
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: I can tell you that I've worked with a lot

749
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: of men over the years, and they go through it too.

750
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: Who do they want to be and trying to sort

751
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: of try to sort of figure out how they can

752
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: be a little more than they are, but not look

753
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: too much, not look like they're trying, because there's nothing

754
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: worse than a guy that looks like he's trying. Who

755
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, major ick major ick.

756
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on to some more controversial outside the

757
00:38:53,360 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: box looks from the Evening Queen Cynthia arrivo or vintage

758
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: Jivonkatur designed by the late Great Master Alexander McQueen.

759
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: Who is lucky enough to meet in my lifetime, which

760
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: you are so lucky.

761
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: So let's talk about this. Yep, it's obviously not for everybody.

762
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: No, you know, I'd wear it though.

763
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 2: But that is of course you would. That is so

764
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: Cynthia and how she has just this entire award season.

765
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: The really fun thing about the Cynthia and the Ariana

766
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: Grande of all of this is that they are nominated

767
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: for Part one of Wicked. There is a part two movie,

768
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: so they will get to do this all over again.

769
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: It I know, right, So again we have seen Cynthia

770
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: wear a lot of green, the nod to Alpha Ba,

771
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: the character she plays in the film Wicked. This is

772
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: giving tin man, but I mean, she's she's such an

773
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: artis and she seeks out true art and so this

774
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: makes sense to me.

775
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: Listen, I have to tell you the makeup, Yes, with

776
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: the look and just how she stands in it and

777
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: she owns it like the thing is like I'm in

778
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: her head here, Yep, I get this. I would fucking

779
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: wear this. Yeah, I would. And I think it's cool

780
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 1: as shit. It is And is it maybe the form

781
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: to wear it to sag, maybe it's for more of

782
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: a fashion event, maybe it's to wear in Paris, But

783
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: to me a vintage McQueen Javanci moment from nineteen ninety

784
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: seven and is a moment worth having, Yes, you know,

785
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: and listen. I also have mad respect for the way

786
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: that she's expressing herself through fashion, in the way that

787
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: she wants to do it with giving nods to the character,

788
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, the character is in the film. And I think,

789
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I think she's so fucking cool.

790
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: She's you know what I mean?

791
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: Like I just so do And I love that she's

792
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: obviously nominated for Oscars and we'll see her again the

793
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: following week, and this is her chance. She's like, I

794
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: want to wear something vintage and something amazing, and this

795
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: is her chance to do it because undoubtedly she has

796
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: a custom piece coming for Oscar night. I love I

797
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: love the pacing of how she's rolling out her looks.

798
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: I think it's really cool.

799
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: Okay, now this one I don't love, and next one

800
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: I don't love. I'm just here child while our war

801
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: custom louvaiton. Yes, and we actually put up a pole

802
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: on our climbing and Hills social to see if people

803
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: were in love with this or not.

804
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: They were not.

805
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's giving lampshade.

806
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: It's you know what it reminds me of.

807
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: And I don't like to say that it's just for me.

808
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: I just she's so stunning, she's so talented.

809
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: She is such a good actress.

810
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: I sat with her at an event. Actually, she's lovely,

811
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: so beautiful.

812
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: You know. The thing is is that adds when you're

813
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: going for something this out there. Let's say it's not

814
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: showing off her beautiful body in any way, you know,

815
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: and like, how do you sit in it?

816
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: I want to look I want to look at her, Yes,

817
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: I want to look at her. And the dress compliment.

818
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 2: From how beautiful and talented she is, I think a

819
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 2: little bit. But it does kind of give this structure

820
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: of this dress does kind of look like you remember

821
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: Miss Pots from Beauty and the beast.

822
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, yeah, yes, okay, let's talk about

823
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: guys for a second. Yes, okay, can we talk about

824
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: Timothy Shelmy all day?

825
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: I'm here all day.

826
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: Okay. So he's been warning, he's been wearing a lot

827
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: of crumb Hearts by my brilliant friend Laurie Stark Luri

828
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: and Richard Stark, founders of Crumbhearts, which is at the

829
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: height of cool. My kids there is a line outside

830
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: this store in Aspen and in st Bart's ye, and

831
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: my kids are obsessed and they are just killing it

832
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: on the carpet with custom for Kim Kurdash. And I mean,

833
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: obviously Timothy shell May he's just cool. And I listen,

834
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: I love a guy that is going to be fearless.

835
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw Austin Butler when he came through

836
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: his Elvis tour an award season, wearing like, you know,

837
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: not what's expected all the time, a little elvisy, a

838
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: little Celeranie, a little you know. But Timothy, I think here,

839
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: you know, we just saw him wearing all pink yes

840
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: to something recently with Kylie Jenner. They're so cute, yes,

841
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: And I think he's having fun. He's clearly loving the moment. Listen,

842
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: he's playing Bob Dylan. Yeah, like, have fun with it,

843
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: have fun with it.

844
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 2: I think the internet sort of feedback was like, of course,

845
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: Timothy Shalla make and wear like a leather shooping and

846
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: like a Cartier Bolero tie and listen cool. I think

847
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: the green through people.

848
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: Listen, I don't love the green. I would prefer that

849
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: that was white all day long. I would pay for

850
00:43:58,560 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 1: that to be white.

851
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: Sure, he also won. He also he also.

852
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: I saw the speech. Yeah, it was to be one

853
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,479
Speaker 1: of the greats. And I don't think there's anything wrong

854
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: with that.

855
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: No, there's not.

856
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: I don't think there should be controversy in that. He's

857
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: basically he was saying like he was basically saying, I

858
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: admire the greats. I know this isn't popular to speak

859
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: this way, but I want to be one of the greats,

860
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: like ipire. What is wrong with that?

861
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with that?

862
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 1: Like that's why why is that controversial?

863
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: I don't think it was controversial. I think it was

864
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: just I think people. I think the response to him

865
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: saying all of that has been really positive that people

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Speaker 2: are now going like, yeah, we should not be afraid

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Speaker 2: of our ambitions or we shouldn't especially women, we shouldn't

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Speaker 2: hold back. And he literally stood up there and said,

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Speaker 2: I want to be Danield Lewis. I want to be

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Speaker 2: like you know, Viola Davis, like he's great Marlon Brando

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Speaker 2: without shame, and it's like good for yeah, and he

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Speaker 2: will he will.

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Speaker 1: By the way, It's true because I think as women

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Speaker 1: were always like, oh, I want to be that. I

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Speaker 1: want to be really good at what.

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Speaker 2: I do, right, or you don't even say that.

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Speaker 1: No, I want to be the fucking best, right. But

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Speaker 1: I will say this for me, coming up in my career,

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Speaker 1: I think everyone was like, well, what was your goals,

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Speaker 1: what was your goals? What was your blueprint? And my

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Speaker 1: answer was just always like I didn't have a plan.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to be the best at what I

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Speaker 1: was doing. And the thing is, it's so subjective, right

884
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Speaker 1: because people always like, oh, you were at this or

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00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: you're that, and it's like, well, there also could have

886
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: been a lot of people that were like she fucking.

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Speaker 2: Sucked, sure, like that's life.

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Speaker 1: I hated her fucking stuff, right.

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Speaker 2: Like, so, I'm sure some people saw him play Bob Dylan,

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Speaker 2: true die hard Dylan people and were like, no, not

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Speaker 2: for me. However, he like committed five years of his

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Speaker 2: life to stunning and then playing and shooting as Bob Dylan.

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Speaker 2: So I think he's incredible. I think his again. He

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00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 2: can wear whatever he wants. He's also a fashion guy,

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Speaker 2: like he's not afraid. He's out here to take risks.

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Speaker 1: I also love that he speaks French fluently. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: he's Yeah, he's the hip boy I mean, and he's

898
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Speaker 1: going to be around forever.

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Speaker 2: Love him, okay, True man.

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Speaker 1: And Valentino new Valentino on the showdra mckelly. He's on

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Speaker 1: Outer Banks. For those of you that don't know him,

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Speaker 1: he pas. He plays wrath Raf.

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Speaker 2: He's very handsome.

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Speaker 1: He is very handsome.

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Speaker 2: We pulled this look. People are very confused by a

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Speaker 2: scarf worn in place of a traditional neck tie.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna say what is going on here? Okay,

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing. One of the things I find

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Speaker 1: the hottest on men is when instead of a tie,

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Speaker 1: they might do like an ascot. Traditionally it's called more

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Speaker 1: of a scarf, but it's tucked into the shirt when

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Speaker 1: it's open. I find that extremely hot. It's very European.

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Speaker 1: It's very viby, you know. I love that moment. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm not someone that's obsessed with ties. I'm not someone

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Speaker 1: that's obsessed with bow ties. However, why PTSD this one?

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: Alissandra mckelly, who used to be at Gucci, has now

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Speaker 1: taken over as the creative directors of Valentino And the jacket,

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Speaker 1: the shirt, the pants. I actually love the pants. I

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Speaker 1: think I think the pants are great. I love I

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Speaker 1: love like it's somewhat saucy, but it has a seam

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Speaker 1: which I love. I love the cuff, I love the

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Speaker 1: way the jacket fits. I think it's great. The scarf

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Speaker 1: as a tie is not working for me. I think

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Speaker 1: that alissandrum kelly always has a little bit of camp. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and I think this is just one of the new

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Speaker 1: things that he's brought to the runway. And understandably people

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Speaker 1: don't love it necessarily it's too long.

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Speaker 2: Don't you. Yeah, don't you think it's a proportion thing. Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But also like I wouldn't put red there. I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have that be read. I'm more tonal like

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Speaker 1: political guys. Yeah, I mean a red tie right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm also a little sensitive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the blue with the I don't know

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Speaker 2: it's giving like it just it ruins it for me.

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Speaker 1: It ruins it for me. But he's gorgeous. The look

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Speaker 1: is gorgeous minus the scarf tie.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I think we can just give a general

939
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Speaker 2: shout out to the men in Hollywood taking chances these days.

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Speaker 2: They're not all in black anymore. They're taking chances with

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Speaker 2: color and shapes.

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Speaker 1: I love a guy who has style.

943
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Speaker 2: I mean, Kendrick Lamar wore flaired jeans.

944
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Speaker 1: You know I loved that. I loved it. I love

945
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Speaker 1: a man in flared Dunham.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: I do. Like why not, Like I feel like a Coachella,

948
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Speaker 1: We're going to see a lot of guys in Florid Dunham.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right. I definitely I'm here for it.

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Speaker 1: You know I've always been. I've been here for it.

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Speaker 1: I mean when Hetty Slamine took over Selene, I mean

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Speaker 1: everyone was in Yes, and I'm I'm I'm here for it.

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Speaker 1: You know that I will. I will die in a

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Speaker 1: wide leg or a flair.

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Speaker 2: We know it. We know it.

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Speaker 1: Granted it has to be.

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Speaker 2: Chanel, but well, here we go. I think very very

958
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: huge Chanelle flares coming up on Hollywood's biggest night. The

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Speaker 2: Oscars are right around the corner. Thoughts and prayers to

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Speaker 2: all stylists, makeup artists, hair stylist, hair stylist, jewelry lenders, uh,

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Speaker 2: dress steamers, everyone, social media capturers. Thoughts and prayers with

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Speaker 2: everybody going into the big, big, big red carpet. We're

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Speaker 2: excited to see it.

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Speaker 1: Until post Oscars, we will talk next week about all things.

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