1 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: You want a melting pot, a college football melting pot. 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: This is it, at least digitally. Another edition of the 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: Late Kick Extra podcast, Wednesday, May twenty fifth, The Our Lord, 4 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: I'm Josh Pate. 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: We got a loaded mailbag, as we do every midweek 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: for you. Our numbers well they almost look fake, they're 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: so good. Thank you guys so much for that. We're 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: not wasting a whole lot of time here because we 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: got a lot to get to. Even before we recorded, 11 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: there was breaking news. We're gonna hit all of it. 12 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: There's a bunch going on in terms of spring meetings, 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: and you have asked about it, and we will discuss 14 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: at Late Kick Josh on Twitter, at Late Kick Josh 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: on Instagram. That's how you can get in touch with 16 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: the show. And with that, less than forty five seconds in, 17 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 1: let's dive in. First up, colt asking what city do 18 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: you believe is a melting pot of college football fan bases? 19 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: Excellent question. Never heard anything like this before, and immediately 20 00:00:58,720 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: I had three thoughts. 21 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: So I had. 22 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: Atlanta, which is an hour north of where I grew 23 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: up in Columbus, Georgia. Columbus is not It's far behind Atlanta, 24 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: but it's still a nice, adequate melting pot of regionality. 25 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: But Atlanta number one. 26 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: Of course, I live in Nashville, so Nashville would be 27 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: up there, and also Charlotte, North Carolina. Those were the 28 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: three I came up with. But I also know I 29 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: have not lived in all portions of this great country 30 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: of ours, and so I asked you guys right before 31 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: we recorded. 32 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 2: I didn't give you a lot of lead time. 33 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: I asked you on Twitter at Lake Kick, Josh, what 34 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: do you think is the best melting pot city for 35 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: college football? And we got a lot of Atlanta, Nashville, 36 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: and Charlotte, but there were some more. See, I would 37 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: not have thought of Dallas because I've never lived near Dallas. 38 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: I've never lived in Texas, So Dallas and Houston excellent 39 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: suggestions there. And then of course any of our Midwestern 40 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: brethren or people who have visited Chicago in the fall. No, 41 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: Chicago's got to be way up there too, because I've 42 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: had a lot of folks from Georgia or Alabama, Auburn, Florida, 43 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: basically the fan I grew up around who have gone 44 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: to Chicago who have either lived there, they got family there, 45 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: or they visited there and they've said you would not 46 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: believe it, but there's an Alabama bar, or there's a 47 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: Florida or Georgia bar there, And so I was able 48 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 1: to go up there and I was able to watch US. 49 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: I was able to watch our team. And in Atlanta 50 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: you've got that. Charlotte, I think is a little more 51 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: regional in flavor, and you also get a lot more 52 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: acc flavor in Charlotte probably than you would in Atlanta. 53 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: But New Orleans I can close to putting on this list, 54 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: but I don't think it's quite as national a melting 55 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: pot as much as it is regional. Dallas I think 56 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: is national. Houston's pretty national, possibly a little more regional 57 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: in flair, But we can't include New York or LA 58 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: because those are melting pots for everything. So if we 59 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: exclude the big ones on either coast, I think we 60 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: got to go Atlanta number one. I think it's the 61 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: crossroads of college football. I would put probably either Dallas 62 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: or Nashville number two, and you can flip flop them 63 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: for number two and number three. I think Charlotte's up there, 64 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: But then Chicago is just a powerhouse. If we don't 65 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: include Chicago in the same realm of New York and 66 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: LA which they would argue they should be and thus excluded. 67 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: But if we don't include them, then yeah, the Chicago's 68 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: got to be up there too. Now Here is my 69 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: suggestion to you. People threw Miami at me Orlando. So 70 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: I want to know which cities did I leave off 71 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: here because I'm going to read the comments on this. 72 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: We'll put this video up on YouTube. 73 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: I want to read the comments on this because I 74 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: think there may be a couple of suggestions I just 75 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: totally overlooked that maybe aren't the biggest cities in the world, 76 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: but for whatever unique geographical reasoning, they should populate this list. 77 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: So I'll look forward to that. Good question though, to 78 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: start it off here this morning. Okay, next up, we've 79 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: got new hires all over the place. 80 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: You know, we got some big ones. 81 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: We got some big ones that have also happened over 82 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: the last five or ten years. So Jared wants to 83 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: know Lincoln Riley to USC is the most significant coaching 84 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: higher sense fill in the blank, he said, just in 85 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: terms of pure football and overall college football landscape. Garnet Valley, Pennsylvania. 86 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: I went with Kirby Smart on this. Kirby was hired 87 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: at Georgia after the twenty fifteen season. Yeah, so he 88 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: went to Georgia twenty sixteen. He's been there seventeen eighteen, nineteen, 89 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and they just won the national. 90 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: Title last year. Lincoln Riley to USC. 91 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest hire since what we see 92 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: here with Kirby Smart because of what it triggered in 93 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: the SEC. See, what do people expect from Lincoln Riley. 94 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: That's the way we have to frame this. People expect 95 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley to walk into a program in USC that 96 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: has been a powerhouse before, and even if it hadn't 97 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: won titles under Pete Carroll, even if it had been 98 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: the John McKay era, since the last time that you 99 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: saw them rolling, you would know what they're capable of, 100 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 1: and you would expect that if the right guy gets 101 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: in there, then it's going to trigger this wave of success, 102 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: the lights of which we haven't seen in a generation 103 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: or two or three national championships, multiple recruiting classes inside 104 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: the top five, and the brand will resonate from coast 105 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: to coast. That's what people expect Lincoln Riley to do 106 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: at USC. They expect him to do a version of 107 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: what Pete Carroll was able to do. They just want 108 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: to maybe sustain it over a longer period of time. Right, Well, 109 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: that's what Kirby Smart has done and is still in 110 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: the process of doing at Georgia. And just like on 111 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: the West Coast, if you're a Utah fan or if 112 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: you're a UCLA fan, on one hand, you want USC 113 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: to be good because it's good for the conference, but 114 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: just selfishly, you don't want them to be good because 115 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: you know they have access to more resources than you do. 116 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: Thus your best shot at winning the conference is USC 117 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: being down well. In the South, people thought that way 118 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: for a long time about Georgia. While Mark Rickt was 119 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: a very good coach, and that's how I classify him 120 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: a very good coach, people were comfortable with Mark Richt 121 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: being at Georgia if you were a Florida fan, if 122 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: you were a South Carolina fan, or an Alabama fan, 123 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be, because even though you 124 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: respected him and you thought he was pretty good, you 125 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: never thought Mark Richt was going to make Georgia a 126 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: perennial powerhouse. Yet you knew they could be It's kind 127 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: of like Bryant used to talk about Florida back in 128 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: the day. Like Bear Bryant's got Alabama rolling, but he 129 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: used to always talk about the University of Florida before 130 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,119 Speaker 1: they had ever realized their own potential. He would say, 131 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: if Florida ever gets it figured out, we're all done. 132 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: Florida eventually got it figured out in the nineties with 133 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: a guy named Steve Spurrier, and then they showed you 134 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: again what they're capable of with Urban Meyer in the 135 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: mid and latter portion of the two thousands. Well, people 136 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: have always known that about Georgia in the South, people 137 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: have always known what they could be capable of. And 138 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: that whole talking point of well they haven't won a 139 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: title since nineteen eighty, that never mattered relative to what 140 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: they were capable of. That just meant they haven't realized 141 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: the expectation or the possibility. You could say the same 142 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: thing about Texas A and m A and MT and 143 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: won a national championship. In the modern era. It doesn't 144 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: mean they can't. They could do it tomorrow, They could 145 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: do it this year. They've always been capable of it. Well, 146 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: when Kirby got hired at Georgia. There were some people 147 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: who mocked it, but they mocked it really as a 148 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: defense mechanism, because secretly they were really terrified that Georgia 149 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: just named it and they did. History has shown that 150 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: they have nailed it, and now they do recruit inside 151 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: the top five every year or better. Now they have 152 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: shown you they can win a national championship, and now 153 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: they're looking to put an s. They're looking to pluralize that, 154 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: and that's what people expect from Lincoln Riley. So I 155 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: think Lincoln Riley is the biggest tire since Kirby Smart. 156 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: I think that is the equivalent. And I was trying 157 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: to search my mind for other examples of this, but 158 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: I don't know that anyone else has been the equal 159 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: of what Kirby Smart has accomplished and what people expect 160 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley to accomplish. I think that people have high 161 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: expectations for Brian Kelly. I think people have high expectations 162 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: for Brint Venables. I'm not sure that the expectation level nationally, 163 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: let me put it that way, is the same as 164 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: it is for Lincoln Riley. Everyone nationally is looking at 165 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley saying this is what he's got to do 166 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: or he is viewed as a failure, fair or not. 167 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: That's the way this business works. 168 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: Okay, next up a that one's that one made me 169 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: think a little bit harder than I wanted to. I'll 170 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: just be really with you. The next one's an interesting 171 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: question that I've gotten a lot, so we chose to 172 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: put it in the show today, and it's about what 173 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: we do on Saturdays now. As you know, the Renaissance 174 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: Tour took us to well all kinds of different cities. 175 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: Last week, I was on the road for sixteen weeks. 176 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: One of our friends here asked, would you ever do 177 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: something like a pregame show for the Late Kick tour, 178 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: either something on site or the night before from Murphysboro, Tennessee. 179 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: I have thought about different things. We technically did do 180 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: something on Friday nights. We did Friday Night Lines this 181 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: past year, which was an Instagram live gambling chat. That's 182 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: not like it's permanent. Obviously, we've done the Renaissance Tour. 183 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: We've done a fall tour one year, so it was 184 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: an infancy stage last year. We want to grow it 185 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: bigger and better than ever this year with a new name. 186 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: But my point in answering that is, I'm open to things. 187 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: I have never thought that there's necessarily a need for 188 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,599 Speaker 1: another Saturday Morning product. That's me personally. But if you 189 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: disagree with that, you're the audience, not me. I just 190 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: make the show for you, guys. I've never felt like 191 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: that's the product. I've always thought that if I did 192 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: something on Saturday, if we did something with the show 193 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: on Saturday, it would be something that was collaborative, like 194 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: it would be me working with someone else or someone 195 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: else working with us and maybe combining brands on something 196 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: that's just me spitballings. There's nothing in the works. If 197 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: there was, I would either tell you or shut up 198 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: totally about it. But that's been my vision. So that's 199 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: a very short answer. Intentionally, No, there's not anything immediately, 200 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean we would never do anything. 201 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 2: The Friday night is probably. 202 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: More likely than the Saturday morning, like as our audience 203 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: grows exponentially, apparently is just the way it's going to grow. Now, 204 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: as our audience grows, it becomes more feasible since we're 205 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: going to be in town on Friday anyway, to do 206 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: Friday night events. That's something I could easily see us 207 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: executing got to get a nice sponsor's brand to slap 208 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: on the side of that tour. But I could see 209 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: us doing that, So a good question. Just stay tuned. 210 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: I guess the answer there. All right, let's get back 211 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: into the more drama filled aspects of the sport over 212 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:10,239 Speaker 1: the past week or so. Next up from Eerie Colorado. 213 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: Everybody assumes the A and M versus Bama game in 214 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: Tuscaloosa will be a curb stomping by Alabama. How do 215 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: you see it with the added drama. I don't think 216 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: the added drama changes what the outcome is going to 217 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: be on the field. If you expect a curb stomping 218 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: by Alabama, if Nick Saban's in that mood, okay, and 219 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: if Alabama really is just that much better than A 220 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: and M this year, there's one way this could change, 221 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: And I would harken you back to twenty twenty, the 222 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: COVID year. Remember when the previous season was the year 223 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: of Joe Burrow and Edworar's run ups at Bama. They 224 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: did a lot of talking in the locker room afterwards. Well, 225 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: the following year, LSU sucked water through a garden hose. 226 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: They were terrible, but didn't matter to Bama. Bama goes 227 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: to Death Valley, they're favored by like thirty points. We 228 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: gave it out as a best bet on the show 229 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: because I had heard people in that program, not fans, 230 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: I mean people inside the program talk for all off woo, 231 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: I almost said the O word. Very close, very close 232 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: to being fined by me. All off season, I heard 233 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: people at Alabama say, it doesn't matter how bad they are, 234 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: how good we are, doesn't matter what the spread is. 235 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: We will we will do terrible, terrible things to them. 236 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: And they went in there like it was the super Bowl, 237 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: even though they were favored by thirty and they could 238 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: have scored one hundred that night if they wanted to. 239 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: They had like forty five or fifty at the half. Well, anyway, 240 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: I don't think the gap exists like that between Bama 241 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: and A and M is my point. But if Bama 242 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: were to start to pull away in this game this year, 243 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: which I don't necessarily expect that kind of game, but 244 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: if they were, I think it would probably be a 245 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: case where Saban may add a seven or a fourteen 246 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: spot more than he normally would. 247 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: But I don't expect that. 248 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: What I do expect is the build up to the game, 249 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: the marquee around the game will be very reminiscent of 250 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: some of those classic Alabama LSU games, Cause Bama ls 251 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: You was the biggest rivalry in the SEC for a 252 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: long time. I mean, it meant every bit as much 253 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: to the landscape as Alabama Auburn did. It admit more 254 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: to the landscape than Bama Auburn did because these two 255 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: teams were perennial contenders more frequently than Auburn was. Bama's 256 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: a contender every year. Take yourself to late September, take 257 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: yourself to early October. Let's say both of these teams 258 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: are undefeated or they have a maximum of one loss. 259 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: That means you have conference championship implications and playoff implications, 260 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: of course, but you also have, for a full week 261 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: or two or three, the repeat of the snippets that 262 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: happened over the past week, playing on pod and TV 263 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: and radio and everywhere in between. You will not be 264 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: able to escape it. Who or whooms amongst us knows 265 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. Additionally, between now and then, I 266 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: think it would be one of the more charged environments 267 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: that we've seen in a while because previously, if you 268 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: don't really think about it, the big games Alabama's played, 269 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: what if they consisted of for the storyline crowd out there, 270 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: what have the big games Bama's been and consisted of. 271 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: They've played Clemson that consisted of a team capable of 272 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: beating them. That's about it. They've played Georgia that's a 273 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: team capable of beating them, That's about it. My point is, 274 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: normally a big Alabama game just means that they're facing 275 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: someone that's capable of beating them, and they're capable enough 276 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: where it's gotten the nation's attention. It's never personal, though, 277 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: because historically Nick Saban has not been involved in public 278 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: personal feut. Well he is now he is, and so 279 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: now we add that in and I think it's going 280 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: to be a unique feel around the game. It's still 281 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: several months away, but you have all the competitive fire, 282 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: and then you also have a dude leading a program 283 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: in Jimbo Fisher that said a lot of things about you. 284 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: He didn't allege them, he just out right sent them 285 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: that we've never heard publicly before, aside from message boards. 286 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: We've never heard. 287 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: Actual powerful people like coaches traffic in that kind of 288 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: to steal a line from Conrad Thompson rumor and innuendo. Well, 289 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: it's here now, so I think it's going to be 290 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: very juicy. It's going to be a very very heated 291 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: early October. I'm glad we don't have to wait until 292 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: November for it. Sometimes I'm glad we don't have to 293 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: wait until seven pm or eight pm for kickoffs, which 294 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: leads us to our next question. It's very near and 295 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: dear to my heart. A lot of you hate it. 296 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: That's okay, Marcus said. This question is strictly for the 297 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: endgame experience. Do you feel the big noon kickoff puts 298 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: a damper on some games stadium atmospheres versus a seven 299 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: thirty prime time spot from Youngstown, Ohio? I think it can, 300 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: And to kind of push it back and give the 301 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: context here. Selfishly, I have gone on the record of 302 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: saying I love the noon kickoff because the noon kickoff 303 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: lets me get out of town and get back home 304 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: if I'm covering the game. However, I have, prior to 305 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: getting in this line of work, been a fan and 306 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: sitting in the bleachers with you guys, and I did. 307 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: Not like the noon kickoff, So I understand the sentiment. 308 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: I always rooted for the primetime kickoff, probably because I 309 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: could just leave the stadium afterwards. I didn't have to 310 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: stay there another two hours. Yes, it's a tough life 311 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: I live. My point with this is it's a case 312 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: by case situation. There's this blanket assumption that a noon 313 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: kickoff equals a damp atmosphere. 314 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: Now I don't find that. 315 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: For instance, Texas and o you know they're kicking off 316 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: at eleven am Central noon Eastern every year and that 317 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: place is on fire. I went last year. You will 318 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: not find a better atmosphere in college football. So the 319 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: clock doesn't matter there. How do they pull that off? Well, 320 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: they pull it off because they've conditioned themselves to understand 321 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: that that's part of it. The noon kickoff, eleven am kickoff, 322 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: that's part of it. And they conditioned themselves. I think 323 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: that's the key. I was at Ohio State Michigan this 324 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: past year, noon kickoff, snow coming down. Place was on fire. 325 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: That game kicks off at noon almost every year, I 326 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: believe does it dampen the atmosphere? When you hear people 327 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: talk about the game Ohio State Michigan, people talk about 328 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: I said you people. When you hear people talk about 329 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: the Red River shootout, do they talk about how much 330 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: better the atmosphere could be dot dot No, they don't 331 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: say it like that. That would be ludicrous. If you 332 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: just watched replays of the games on YouTube and you 333 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: didn't know what kickoff time was, you'd never be able 334 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: to tell it was a noonkickoff. The sunlight would be 335 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: one key indicator, but for all you know, it could 336 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: be three thirty. The point is it's case by case. 337 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 338 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: If I turn on sometimes a random Wisconsin game and 339 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: it's a noonkickoff and the stadium's not full yet, it's 340 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: a late arriving crowd, yeah, I would say a noonkickoff 341 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: probably dampened that atmosphere relative to what an eight pm 342 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: or seven pm primetimekick would do. But it doesn't have 343 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: to be that way, is my point. I love games 344 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: being played under natural light. Maybe I'm a weirdough. Maybe 345 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: that's the exception to the rule, but here's what else 346 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: I've seen. And I don't know how much you guys 347 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: agree with me on this. I know some of you 348 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: would fight to the death on this topic, but I 349 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: don't think there's as much appeal to the primetime kickoff 350 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: as there used to be when ABC. 351 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: This is a wild back. 352 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: If you're in college, you don't remember this a while 353 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: back is it's been over a decade ago now. When 354 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: ABC started that primetime kickoff package. When ABC took their 355 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: A game and they moved it from three point thirty 356 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: to eight pm or seven pm whenever it is, that 357 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: was a huge deal. And when you got that game, 358 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: it was such a big deal to be playing under 359 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: the lights. ESPN had been having the seven forty five 360 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: Eastern Time primetime kick and it was a big deal 361 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: to be in that game. But it's caused there weren't 362 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: a whole lot of night games. Now everybody plays at night. 363 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: The SEC network has like Tier three and Tier four 364 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: games at night. Used to just be your Tier one, 365 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: like Circle It with Red Sharpie. Game was the primetime 366 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: game and it was an honor to be there. Now 367 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: I got Vanderbilt in South Carolina playing at seven pm. 368 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: It just it doesn't mean what it used to mean. 369 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: Therefore it doesn't have the appeal to me that it 370 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: used to have. So I don't make a big deal 371 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: about primetime kicks, and then I get the selfish side 372 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: of me that wants the earlier kicks. But no, I 373 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: don't think you have to lose an ounce of luster 374 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: as it relates to your in game atmosphere just because 375 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: of what the clock says when toe meets leather. I 376 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: don't think that way at all. We move on hot 377 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: three letters here, the hottest three letters in college football. 378 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: Unfortunately INIL. 379 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 2: This is Bill. He said, I'm born and raised in Montgomery. 380 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm now in Phoenix, not Phoenix City, Phoenix, Arizona. Do 381 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: you believe an unintended consequence of NIL is coaches being 382 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: on the hot seat faster than ever before. This is 383 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: a really good question. For example, will those boosters at 384 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: A and M stand for spending that amount of money 385 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: on NIL for more eight and four seasons? 386 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: Well built? 387 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: Jimbo said, NIL has nothing to do with it, and 388 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: so we're going to leave it at that. We're gonna 389 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: speak very generically. I think the answer to this is yes. 390 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely going to change the timetable with 391 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: which success is expected to happen. But Bill, that's not 392 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: the only thing that's happening here. You have got to 393 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: work transfer portal INM. So think about NIL and the 394 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: transfer portal as just kind of conjoined within the aspect 395 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: of how. 396 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: Coaches are viewed. Now here's what I mean by that. 397 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 1: If you're Lincoln Riley and you're hired at USC, and 398 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: you're inheriting a program under Clay Helton that it wasn't 399 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: operating at peak efficiency. We all understand that. Let's be real. 400 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: So in nineteen ninety seven, if you were to inherit 401 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: that program, the going theology would be, Okay, we're going 402 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: to give you a couple three years before we really 403 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: hold you to the sc standard. Well, these days you 404 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: have nil, true, but what else do you have at 405 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: your disposal? What is Lincoln Riley leveraging even as we 406 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: speak in Southern California, he is leveraging the transfer portal 407 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: capital T, capital P and so when you can find 408 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: the portal and the ability to do what USC has done, 409 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: and that is bring in I think the last count 410 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: was seventeen kids. I have to keep track because it 411 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: changes by the day. When you can flip that large 412 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: a chunk of your roster before you've ever even coached 413 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: a game, then yes, it absolutely is going to expedite 414 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: the timetable of expectations that your fan base has no longer, 415 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: including Brian Kelly, including Brent and Venables, including Lincoln Riley. 416 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: No longer is a coach going. 417 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: To be able to walk in and meet with boosters 418 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: and meet with donor groups all across the state and 419 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: stand in front of them behind a podium and say, 420 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: I look forward to two or three years where we 421 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: can really get a viable product on the field for you. 422 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: That's not going to fly anymore. And here's what's really 423 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: going to ruin it. It's not even as bad as 424 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: it's going to get yet, because no one's won a 425 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: conference championship in year one under this era yet. But 426 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: you mark my words, I think this is going to 427 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: be the year. Actually, it could be Venables, it could 428 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: be Lincoln Riley, it could be for all I know, 429 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: one of these first year head coaches is going to 430 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: have hit the portal just right, and the schedule and 431 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: bounces of balls are going to work out just right 432 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: to where they go to a conference championship and maybe even. 433 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: Win it in year one. 434 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: That example, although it should be an outlier to anyone 435 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: with common sense, will be used against new head coaches 436 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: until the end of time, and it will be held 437 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: up as this example of what's possible and therefore what 438 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: you should be capable of. If Lincoln Riley did this 439 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: at USC in year one, if Brian Kelly did this, 440 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: if whoever I'm filling the blank, if whoever did this 441 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: at whatever program in year one, you should be able 442 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: to do it. That's going to happen. If not this year, 443 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: it's eventually going to happen. So that's a matter of when, 444 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: not if, and then it's really going to get uncomfortable. 445 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 2: Now. 446 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: As you know, microwave mentality doesn't really work as a 447 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: viable long term approach to success. But there's a large 448 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: enough group of people out there who believe if you 449 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: throw enough money at something, then you can just artificially 450 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: enhance expectations. And it makes sense. Well that's not reality, 451 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: but yet it is reality. That's the way it's gonna be, 452 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: whether it should be that way or not. And therefore 453 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: you and I just have to live in this world 454 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: and sit behind this microphone and talk about it. I 455 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: think we can manage next up. This is gonna evolve. Okay, 456 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: I hesitate to even go down this road because it's 457 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: gonna evolve next week. But Duck King checks in from Birmingham, Alabama. 458 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: He said, what are your thoughts on the talks that 459 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: circulated yesterday today if we're recording about the SEC potentially 460 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: starting its own playoff within the conference. 461 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: Well, my thoughts are, uh. 462 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: That's kind of what my thoughts were to begin with, 463 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: But in a more real sense, I wasn't surprised by it. 464 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: You need to understand something. There is a term cerebral. 465 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: They used to refer to Triple H in wrestling as 466 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: the cerebral assassin. Well, Greg sank not gonna go as 467 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: far as to call him an assassin, although he could 468 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: be killed a lot of hopes out there right now, 469 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: but he is very cerebral. He does not show his cards, 470 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: which is noteworthy because if you've paid attention, if you've 471 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: had your ear to the ground of college athletics. Ever 472 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: since the playoff went up in smoke, Greg Sanki has 473 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: not tried to hide the fact that he's mad. And 474 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: let me give you a little behind the scenes access. 475 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: If Greg Sanki is willing to let you know he's 476 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: a little aggravated, it means behind the scenes he is 477 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: livid and probably breaking furniture in the conference office in 478 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: downtown Birmingham. With that in mind, we get to what 479 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: was just referenced here. Petefammil of ESPN dot com now 480 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: got to get used to saying that Pete Famil had 481 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: a story on Monday that indicated and it was well sourced. 482 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: I can promise you that it had Greg Sanki on 483 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: the record in the article, and it referenced the possibility 484 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: that as they head into the SEC Spring meetings in 485 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: Destined next week, we could emerge with anything from a 486 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: reworked conference schedule to an approach where the SEC just 487 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: decides they want to have their own playoff. 488 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 2: You may scoff at that. 489 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: Or laugh at that and think that's just a threat tactic. 490 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: It's not. 491 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: The SEC doesn't have to use scare tactics. The SEC 492 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: is they are the elephant in the room by a mile. 493 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: If you ever want to use the phrase, and it's 494 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: not even close, use it here. SEC running the show, 495 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: and it's not even close. They don't have to hoodwink anyone. 496 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: They just get to do whatever they want to do 497 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: and then everyone has to react. Previously, even though I 498 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: wasn't on board with it, Previously, Greg Sanki and the 499 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: SEC were willing to make some concessions in order to 500 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: enter into mutually with other conferences a twelve team playoff model. 501 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: But enough conference commissioner stood up against it to where 502 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: Greg Sanki essentially walked away from the table. And if 503 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: you understand the attitude he walked away with, you understand 504 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: why that Pete Thamal article said what it said. Greg 505 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: Sanki was almost taken aback. Greg Sanki was like, hold up, 506 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: we don't have to help you at all. My conference 507 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: is already dominating in a four team model. We're dominating. 508 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: We don't need to change. We're already making more money 509 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: than the rest of you, and we are. We just 510 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: entered into a new media rights agreement, so the SEC 511 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: they're going to be making one hundred million a year 512 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: plus per institution. Regardless, Greg Saki looked at it and said, 513 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: all right, because we like college football and it does 514 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: stand to benefit us too, we will we will try 515 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: to execute this with you in good faith. But when 516 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: they walked away from the table, Greg Sakie said, forget this, 517 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: burn it to the ground. And now he's looking out 518 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: for the best interest of his conference. How do I 519 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: feel about this? Of course, you know I hate it all. 520 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: But this is why I've always told you, guys, it 521 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: has been my approach. 522 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: Follow me if you want to. 523 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: I can assure you it's a lot happier over here. 524 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: It has been my approach to cherish the regular season. 525 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: Anything they give you in the postseason is whatever they 526 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: give you in the postseason. But the regular season is 527 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: what's a great about this sport. And as long as 528 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: we don't completely torpedo that, the playoff is what the 529 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: playoff is. So if the SEC wants to have their 530 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: own playoff, I'll watch it, I'll cover it, we'll talk 531 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: about it, will benefit from it, YadA, YadA, YadA. I 532 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,959 Speaker 1: don't have to necessarily be in love with any of it, 533 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: but I understand there is some seismic shift coming. So 534 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,959 Speaker 1: anyone out there who just hopes that all of this 535 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: blows over, it's impossible. We're well point, we're well past 536 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: the point of no return on that. So something BIG's coming. 537 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: Multiple somethings are coming. I don't even think Greg Saki 538 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: and the power players know exactly what that is yet. 539 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: That's why I told you I hesitate to speak about it, 540 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: because anytime you ask someone in a decision making position 541 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: about this stuff. They kind of the hem haw around 542 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: to steal a phrase from me mon and they shrug 543 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: their shoulders, And really what they're telling you is, I 544 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't It's like alphabet soup right now, 545 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna dip the spoon in there. You don't know 546 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: which word you're gonna draw out yet, but you know 547 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: there's certain words in there that are more likely to 548 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: be drawn out. For instance, I'm probably gonna get and 549 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: more often than I get atmosphere. Something BIG's coming, though, 550 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: And it wouldn't shock me at all if the SEC 551 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: ended up going this route. I I'm not gonna say 552 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: I don't care, because I do care. I've just resigned 553 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: myself to the fact that something's gonna happen. Therefore, I'm 554 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: gonna hang out in the regular season. And if you 555 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: so choose to traffic in all the rumors about postseason 556 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: and you choose to put your hope in the postseason, 557 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: you guys, go ahead. 558 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: You know that's not my. 559 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: Club, That's not where I hang out. We love Saturdays 560 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: in the fall. I love the any given Saturday approach 561 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: to college football. I don't like, Well, let's make sure 562 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: we keep one eye on the postseason, even though we're 563 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: September eighteenth. Well, let's make sure we look at January. 564 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: I'm not about that. I would rather not know what's 565 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: around the corner, just like you didn't know that this 566 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: was around the corner. I don't know if they have 567 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame for ad tosses, but if they do, 568 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: that one's going in there. All right, the big bad 569 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: ad toss out of the way, Let's get back to things. 570 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 2: Andy hit us up big news here. 571 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: Excited to hear about Eli Holstein committing to Alabama. But 572 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: does that essentially rule out Arch Manning from Scottsboro, Alabama. Well, 573 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot to unpack here. So if you're listening 574 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: on Wednesday, yesterday, Eli Holstein, four star quarterback for the 575 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: class of twenty twenty three, committed to Alabama. Now this 576 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,719 Speaker 1: is very noteworthy, Number one, cause anytime Bama takes a quarterback, 577 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: it's noteworthy because they essentially have their pick of whoever 578 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: they want. So Eli Holstein is a four star quarterback. 579 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: He's top one hundred kid nationally big six' four two 580 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: twenty so he's full grown. Already, now al Obviously alabama 581 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: had been in the running for Arch, manning and so 582 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of thought out there connecting the, dots 583 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: so to, speak that once they've taken, him they Being, 584 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: alabama then Arch manning must be out of the running 585 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: and it must be down to like a one or 586 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: a two team, race And texas takes the. LEAD i 587 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: happen to share that. Philosophy SO i do believe. THAT 588 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: i don't Believe, eve in other, words that Arch manning 589 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: And Eli holstein are going to be in The alabama signing. 590 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: CLASS i always thought that was going to be one 591 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: or the. OTHER i can tell you That Steve, wilfong 592 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: our national director of, recruiting even as we're recording, here 593 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: he reached out to Arch manning's coach and they, said 594 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: regarding the official visit that Arch manning is going to 595 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: take To, alabama nothing has changed on that. FRONT a 596 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: visit does not mean a, commitment, Obviously SO i think 597 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: that this does mean a, lot AND i also think 598 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: it means a lot on The alabama side of. Things you, 599 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: Know alabama squarely in the mix for Arch. MANNING i 600 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: think what this screams is they felt comfortable enough that 601 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: the evaluation was comparable Enough they had these two guys 602 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: classified similarly enough that they were willing to give both 603 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: of them committable, offers and they were willing to say 604 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: the first one who takes it gets. It it's not 605 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: that they would turn down Arch manning at this, point 606 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: but they're realist LIKE i, am and probably understand they're 607 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 1: not getting. Both my point, is if they Had Art 608 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: manning evaluated at such a higher level Than Eli, holstein 609 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: they would not have taken Eli holstein's commitment right. 610 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: Now they would have waited it. 611 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: Out they easily would have waited until the regular season gets, 612 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: here or until fall gets, here and maybe even Into. 613 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 2: December they. 614 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: Didn't they took Eli holstein's commitment, now and what that 615 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: means is they are willing to say goodbye to Arch, 616 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: manning if that's what this, means which should tell you 617 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: all you need to know about how Highly alabama Evaluated Eli. 618 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: HOLSTEIN i was over ON Bama, online and you, know 619 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: the last thing in this WORLD i want to do 620 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: is Credit Tim watts for. 621 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 2: Anything but let me Credit Tim. 622 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: Watts they've been all over this over ON Bama, online 623 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: and they've been able to keep you up to date 624 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: on the inner workings and the inner thoughts inside the 625 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: program of how that evaluation process has worked out in 626 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: the entire recruiting. Process AND i was reading some of 627 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: his kind of post commitment nuggets over there on the 628 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 1: roundtable ON Bama, online and he was talking about. This 629 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: he was talking about how the evaluation was such that 630 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: they were willing to take him. Now And Eli holstein 631 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: is an all in kind of. Kid they don't have 632 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: to worry about him. Decommitting they don't expect that to 633 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: be a. Problem it's never a. Guarantee but now we 634 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 1: get to reassess the Arch manning, sweepstakes And texas has 635 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: got to feel good about. This you also don't know 636 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: if any other players could get involved by, PLAYERS i 637 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: mean teams could get. Involved so, YEAH i don't think 638 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: there's any two ways about. This bama taking this commitment 639 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: is a very big. Deal Saw Pete, golding the defensive, coordinator, 640 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: ironically was very influential and a key player in this recruitment. 641 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: Right. 642 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: NOW i don't know how many people even realize, this 643 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: But bill O'Brien is the offensive coordinator there entering his second. 644 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: Year he was big on that eval obviously because he 645 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: coaches the quarterback position and runs the, offense so they. 646 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 2: Feel good about. 647 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: It and if they feel good about, it THEN i 648 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: think they're comfortable with the dominoes just falling accordingly as 649 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: it relates to Arch. Manning but big pickup, there And 650 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: i'm glad it happened right before we started. Recording. William next, 651 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: up And william asks a question About week. ONE a 652 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: lot of you want to know what game has the 653 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: most implications for a team's season In week one From, Bentonia. Mississippi, 654 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: WELL i got several. Here as you, Know i'm notoriously 655 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: bad at narrowing down to just. One but The week one, 656 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: slate some of it's just outright, good some of it's sneaky. 657 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: Good so you could Go Notre Dame Ohio. State BUT 658 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: i think that that one is bigger For Ohio. State 659 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: If Ohio state were to fall in that, game think 660 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: about what that would. Mean that would mean that a 661 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: lot of what you expected probably did not pan. OUT i, 662 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: mean Because Ohio state has the age almost everywhere in that, 663 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: game they got home, field they've got a racehorse stable 664 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: of wide. Receivers they may end up having the best 665 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: running back in the country In Trevion. Henderson they have 666 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: got maybe the best quarterback in the country IN. Cj. 667 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: Stroud they are loaded and they have all the reason 668 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: in the world to come out with their hair on. 669 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: Fire if they were to lose that, game it probably means. 670 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: Defense wasn't it the caliber that we thought it would 671 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: be Under Jim, Knowles and however it, happened it. Happened 672 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: it would be a crippling blow To Ohio state to lose. 673 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 2: That one in the. 674 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: Opener Notre dame can afford to lose that game to 675 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: still be, Okay so that would be a lot bigger 676 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: loss For Ohio. State, also you could look at The 677 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: Oregon georgia, game and this was. Big it's big for both. 678 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: Programs it would be a very very big point spread 679 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: upset If georgia. Lost But georgia is coming off a national, 680 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: championship SO i mean, YEAH i mean that wouldn't matter 681 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: to the folks In, Conyers georgia if they lost in week. 682 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: One they don't care about what they did. Accomplish they 683 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: care about what's coming. Up but For, oregon you could 684 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: say the same For utah In. Florida If oregon and 685 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: Or utah, won those games In week, one and certainly 686 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: if both of them won In week, one how huge 687 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: would that be for The pac Twelve all of a, 688 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: sudden you would have wins against Two MARQUEE sec programs 689 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: in their, backyard one in their building and the other 690 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: essentially in their building away from their building In. Atlanta 691 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: that would be really. Big But i'm also thinking about 692 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: some maybe off the radar national. Games did you know 693 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: That cincinnati goes To arkansas In week? One cincinnati most 694 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: recently seen in The College Football, Playoff, yes and then 695 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: more recently seen sending nine guys to THE Nfl. Draft, 696 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 1: Yes they open At. Arkansas arkansas is a preseason favorite 697 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: of a lot of people's at people's plural, there and 698 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: they also have an opportunity here In week one to 699 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: do a couple of. Things If cincinnati lost that, game 700 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: you always have the assumption A g five team has 701 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: to be undefeated to make the, Playoff so that would 702 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: be a big blow For. Cincinnati but For, ARKANSAS i 703 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: think there's a lot on the line there because that 704 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: line is seven and a. Half this is not some huge. 705 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: Spread arkansas has all the hope and confidence in the 706 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: world right. Now they need that game they with what 707 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: they have to face in, conference they have to win that. 708 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: Game so that's another big. One but there are other 709 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 2: games you know THAT i don't. 710 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: Think for, example cle And Georgia tech is on anyone's 711 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: radar On monday, night that's A Labor day, night. 712 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 2: And with good. 713 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: Reason the line is between like seventeen and twenty For. 714 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: Clemson but what If clemson got? UPSET i just throw 715 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: it out. There it's not a. 716 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 2: Prediction what If clemson got? 717 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: Upset do you know number, one what that would do 718 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: for the talk or the perception Around clemson. Football but 719 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: then also in the very next, breath think about what that. Does, 720 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: well it does a ton For Georgia, tech but what 721 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: does it do for THE? Acc if Before week one, 722 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: ends THE acc is already wide open, again then imagine 723 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: being AN Nc state, fan or imagine being A miami 724 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: fan for or A Florida state fan for that. Matter 725 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: everybody would have hope. Immediately and also there's this Little 726 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: sunday night game In New orleans BETWEEN fsu AND. Lsu 727 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: And i'm not going in any particular order. Here obviously 728 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: this is a big one for both. Teams you, KNOW 729 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 1: lsu they have got a super tough back half of their. 730 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: Season it's imperative if they want to make a bowl 731 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: game or, better they need to be starting four and, 732 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: oh and you can't start four and oh if you 733 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: start ze. 734 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 2: ONE i did the math on. 735 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: That but For Florida state, Too they're going in here 736 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: as a two and a half point to a three point. 737 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: Dog it's in LSU's, backyard but it's a game where 738 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: you're several years in now to your coaching staff being 739 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: there in your way of doing. Things you're facing a new. 740 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: Staff pull one, off pull off an. Upset if you 741 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: want to signify that the program is headed in the right, 742 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: Direction you've got an opportunity there to pull off an. 743 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,439 Speaker 1: Upset so those are some of the Games i'm looking, 744 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: At but there are several more out there that are 745 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: just off that national. RADAR i, mean you, know you've 746 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 1: got some teams that have Big week two games that 747 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: shouldn't be overlooking anything In week. One So i'm just 748 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: ready for. It i'm ready to Watch Nebraska northwestern And week. 749 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: Zero i'm just ready for it to be. Here we 750 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: will make it. Together let's get to our last question. 751 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: Here this last question is personal to. Me and doesn't 752 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: mean anything to. You but if you've followed me for 753 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 1: a long, time if you have followed The Late kick 754 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 1: for a long, time and specifically you followed The instagram 755 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: story for a long, time you may have seen from 756 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: time to time back in the Day friday night a 757 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: video probably had my feet propped, up probably had a 758 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: certain song playing in the. Background and so there was 759 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: a question from one of you about the ritual THAT 760 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: i have referenced actually on the show from time to. 761 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: Time it's From, Eugene. Oregon that's the. Question he, Said 762 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: i'm a big fan of the. Show could you retell 763 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: the story about the ritual you and your coworkers used 764 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: to have of listening to holding back the years after 765 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: a long day of. WORK i adopted that ritual. Myself 766 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: great story for new. Listeners first, off that is great, 767 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: News SO i definitely think it's a ritual worth. Adopting 768 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: i'm not quite sure why we chose the song we, 769 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: chose BUT i was down In. 770 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 2: COLUMBUS i was AT. 771 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: Wltz we were a distant number three in the market 772 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,240 Speaker 1: that was not going to. Change we had just institutional 773 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: brands there and we were a new. 774 00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 2: Brand so that wasn't going to. 775 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: Change but let me tell, you we had a loaded 776 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: talent roster. There as it turns, out we had more 777 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: fun Than i've ever had anywhere professionally in my. Life 778 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: the trade off for being the number three in the 779 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: market was the station was. 780 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 2: A little more. 781 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: Loose you could get away with doing things there that 782 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: you couldn't get away with at the other places in. 783 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: Town so we would stage ping pong tournaments right there 784 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 1: in the news. Studio after the show management would, leave 785 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: you'd watch their tail lights disappear up the, hill and 786 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: then you would push the news desk out of the. 787 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: Way it's on rollers and we would bring ping pong 788 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: tables in and we would have like full on parties. 789 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: There On, fridays we would invite people totally, Illegal we 790 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: would invite people to the. Station well, anyway before all, 791 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,959 Speaker 1: that what we would do On friday, nights actually after 792 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: our ping pong, tournaments when we dried the sweat off 793 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: and we got ready about ten fifty, pm right before 794 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: our ELEVEN pm, newscast we would all gather in the 795 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: studio and to signify the end of what had always 796 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: been a grueling work week because everyone there was carrying 797 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: the load of about two and a half or three. 798 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: Men we would would listen to the song Holding back 799 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: The years by simply. Red it was remade for the 800 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: Movie love And basketball some of you may, know but simply. 801 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: READ i think had the best, version Holding back The, 802 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: years and we would play, it and the rule was 803 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: you had to sit in total silence throughout the duration 804 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: of the song and just. Reflect it looked kind of 805 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: like a scene in A tv show or a. Movie 806 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: it didn't look like something that normal people would be 807 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: doing in real. Life but then, again a lot of 808 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 1: things we did at that station back in the day 809 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: did not look like something you would do in real. 810 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: LIFE i came across a video the other. Day i'm 811 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 1: not making any of this up where when we were 812 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: doing what ended up Being Late kick in the very 813 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 1: infancy of the, show one time we did it. Live 814 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: so one, time right before the, show we found out 815 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: there was a, snake live snake in the, studio and 816 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: we couldn't do anything about. It we had to go on. 817 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: Air so we're on air with the snake in the. 818 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: Studio it was a cotton, mouth by the, way those are, 819 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: poisonous and so we during commercial breaks would try to 820 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 1: go kill the, snake, unsuccessful so we end up doing 821 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: the entire thirty minute show twenty two minutes with, ads 822 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: and then we get off the air and my co, 823 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 1: host my esteemed co host Named Jonathan rivers down. There 824 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: he tried to kill the snake again failed. Miserably long story, 825 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: short we end up rescuing the snake and taking it 826 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: out in the parking. Lot probably not even a top 827 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: five story in my time THERE a lot of the 828 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: stuff can't be told on, air but, yes holding back the, 829 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: YEARS i strongly recommend if you need to, unwind if 830 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: you just need to sit in silence for three or four, 831 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: minutes just lean, back pull, up holding back the, ears 832 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: let the ad play if you haven't subscribed to YouTube, 833 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: premium or pull it up On, spotify and just listen 834 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 1: and reflect on all that has happened this past week 835 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: and all that could happen in the future for. You 836 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: do you know what's happening with? Us what's happening with? 837 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 1: Us AND i waited till the end to tell you. 838 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: THIS i don't want to, brag but it's. You it's not. 839 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 2: Me it's all bragging. You you know we're ranked in. 840 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: The top six worldwide in football podcast right, now it's 841 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: us in a bunch OF nfl shows that probably have, 842 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 1: very very fat marketing. Budgets we have no marketing. Budget 843 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: we've never spent money on the show, before SO i 844 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: appreciate that a whole. Lot thank you guys for. That 845 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: AS i told you, before if you keep doing, that 846 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: it'll make a lot of things possible while you're doing, 847 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: It and now a lot of things are being unlocked 848 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: because of. That as you can tell in my, Language 849 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: i'm closer and closer and closer every week to being 850 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: able to inform you of, things AND i HOPE i 851 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: haven't been unclear on. That so stay, tuned keep sharing the, 852 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: show keep telling friends and family and everywhere in between 853 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: about the, show and we will keep producing the show 854 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: as you want us. To For Director, column for Producing, 855 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,479 Speaker 1: jesse for our entire staff and. Crew, Here I'm Josh. 856 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: Pate have yourselves a great rest of your. 857 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 2: Week we'll see you A. 858 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: Thursday night on the twenty four to Seven sports YouTube 859 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,399 Speaker 1: channel For Late. Kicklive until, then take, care have a great, 860 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: day And god bless