1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm an eleventh grade history 2 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: teacher Irwin County High School and I just completed my 3 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: first year teaching, and I love every bit of it. 4 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: Tera Grinstead's disappearance from her home in Oscilla, Georgia, in 5 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: two thousand and five made no sense to her friend's 6 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: family and police. I knew something was wrong. I knew 7 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: that it was serious. I knew that something beyond her 8 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: control had happened. In what became the largest missing person's 9 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: case in Georgia history, investigators interviewed more than one hundred people, friends, 10 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: ex boyfriends, anyone who had any relationship with Tera in 11 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: nearly twenty seven years with a Georgia Beer investigation. I've 12 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: never encountered under such a complex and difficult case. You 13 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: are hearing our friends at CBS. That's Peter van Zant 14 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: talking about one of the biggest missing person's cases ever 15 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: in the state and a case that has hung over 16 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: the heads of a small Georgia community when a brilliant 17 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: high school teacher and beauty queen, Tara Grinstead goes missing 18 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: seemingly without a trace. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 19 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. With a big, big 20 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: bombshell today the case going forward on the man that 21 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: police say burned Tara Grinstead's body for days until there 22 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: was nothing left but ash. And I'm certainly going to 23 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: be going to a forensics expert about how you burned 24 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: down teeth and bones until there's nothing but ash with 25 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: me an all star lineup. Vincent Hill, cop turned PI, 26 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: author of playbook to a Murder is at the courthouse. 27 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: Jice Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author Blood 28 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Doctor Maurice god When Special 29 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: Guests joining us. Private investigator who worked TERA's case thirteen years. 30 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: Judge lawyer anchor at Ashley Wilcott dot com Joining me, 31 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, We're now psychologists out of Manhattan. Karen start 32 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: at Karen Stark dot com. To Robin Willinsky, Crime online 33 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: dot com, investigative reporter, author of Beautiful Life CSI behind 34 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: Casey Anthony Trial, Robin, did you ever think we would 35 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: finally get to trial? Because there were times I did 36 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: not watching this case for years, and I agree with 37 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: you whoever thought we would get to this place? But 38 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: you know, thank goodness for a glove that was found 39 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: and DNA that was in sight, and what's so odd? 40 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go straight out to Vincent Hill standing 41 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: by at the courthouse Vincent Hill, DNA wasn't a glove 42 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: found in front of a Tera grins Dad's home, which 43 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: was I recall touring her home with her mother, and 44 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: it was absolutely beautiful, but there were things out of 45 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: place in her bedroom. There was a necklace broken on 46 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: the floor, there was a broken and out of place 47 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: post on her four poster bed. Things were disarrayed. Her car. 48 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: She was one of those neat freaks that kept the 49 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: car perfect like it had just been bought, even smelling new. 50 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: Was covered in mud on the outside, and the driver's 51 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: seat was pushed back to allow a man to drive. 52 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: And even though there was DNA in that latex glove, 53 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: that rubber glove, they couldn't match it up. The whole time. 54 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: The alleged killer was right under their noses in the 55 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: form of a duke d u k e and a 56 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: duke's d uk e s no relation that were her students. 57 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: Tell me what's happening in the court Vincent heldre is 58 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: actually her testimony about that glove that late texts glove 59 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: that one of the DBI agents said was about five 60 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: feet from Tara's front porch, and they had a forensic 61 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: biologist who testified about how she used toothbrush to match 62 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: her DNA to that glove, as well as they collected 63 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: an unknown at the time male DNA. And we heard 64 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: testimony Nancy that over two hundred people were tested for 65 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: DNA at the Cornhouse. Vincent Hill, cop turned PI and 66 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: author Vincent Hill tell me about the jury. Who's on 67 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: the jury, Nancy. The jury's made up of seven women 68 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: and five men. They're very attentive of what's going on 69 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: in the case. They're watching bow dukes during the testimony, 70 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: they're actually watching videos and watching GBI demonstrate Nancy, how 71 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: they actually went about excavating the fire pit where they 72 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: believed Tara Grinstead's remains were found. So that was a 73 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: pretty powerful point in testimony inside that courtroom, Nancy, when 74 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: they were watching the GBI agent actually demonstrate how he 75 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: was able to find those bones. Well, yeah, I mean, 76 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: how was he able to find the bones? Bencent? Yeah, Nancy, 77 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: So he used a tool, he called it a rod, 78 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 1: and that's basically what it looks like and it goes 79 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: into the ground and it hits on what they believed 80 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: to be bones. And they actually had buckets inside the 81 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: courtroom as well as the actual photographs from the scene 82 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: in the pecan orchard where they had the buckets that 83 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: were marked, and they showed the buckets that had bones. 84 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: They actually showed bone fragments and teeth again which they 85 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 1: believe belonged to Tera Grinstead. Wow to Jo Scott Morgan 86 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: forensics expert Joe Scott, how do you match teeth back 87 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: up to the person for a DNA match, Well, you 88 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: have to be able to go in and find what's 89 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: referred to as viable pulp in the tooth itself to 90 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: drill into it if it is viable. Still, Nancy, you 91 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: mentioned early on that they had attempted to render down 92 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: her body through heat over a protracted period of time. 93 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: And sometimes even though you know the teeth can be 94 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: the final encasement of DNA, they can be compromised if 95 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: if the shell of enamel is cracked and the teeth 96 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: are worn down. So it's a it's a daunting tas. 97 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: I just don't know if they can get DNA out 98 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 1: of it this much later, let me go back to Vincent. 99 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: He'll joining me at the courthouse. Vincent, could they make 100 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: a DNA match from TERA's teeth or had they been 101 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: so badly burned you couldn't do it? From what I 102 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: understand through testimony, Nancy, it was too badly burned to 103 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: determine if those remains were actually Tara Grinstead. But I 104 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: believe the GBI is going on the statements between both 105 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: Ryan Duke and bow Dukes that hey, we've burned her 106 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: remains here. Therefore, GBI is pretty certain based on that 107 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: that those are Tera Grinstead's remains. Well, let me go 108 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: to Ashley Wilcot, judge lawyer. You can find out Ashley 109 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: Wilcot dot com. Ashley, here's the thing. Of course, it's 110 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: Tera Grinstead's teeth. What other human teeth are you going 111 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: to find out in a pecan orchard in the exact 112 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: spot where this Let me just say, idiot, who goes 113 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: along at best? Who goes along with disposing of this 114 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: teacher's body? And I'd like to know why she was 115 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: button naked lying there dead at the time he saw her. 116 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: But of course it's her teeth. Who's who else's teeth? 117 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: Could it be Ashley, I agree with you completely. And 118 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: so here's the tragedy in this case, not only that 119 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: it happened, but when you put all the evidence together, 120 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: of course it's her teeth. We have statements. Remember they 121 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: played in court an audio statement made by Bo Dukes 122 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: admitting to where the body was buried. And like you said, Nancy, 123 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: it's the same place where they found those teeth, you know. 124 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: Back to you. Vincent Hill joining me at the courthouse 125 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: at Tara Grinstead trial underway right now. The man who 126 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: admitted he helps dispose of the missing teacher's body after 127 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,119 Speaker 1: his classmate strangles her dead, says it took two days 128 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,119 Speaker 1: for her remains to burn until there was nothing left 129 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: but ash. But they did find the remains of teeth. 130 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, How does bow Dukes explain his involvement, Nancy. 131 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: He says that Ryan Duke called him and said if 132 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: up and I need your help, I need to use 133 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: your truck. And then he goes on to say that 134 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: he saw Tera Grinstead's naked body. He said, the only 135 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: thing she was wearing what's a felly ring, And he 136 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: saw bruises around the neck and he and Ryan loaded 137 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: her body into the truck and took it out to 138 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: that field to dispose of it. And he talked about 139 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: in that video statement he gave the GBI that they 140 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: burned her body for over two days. Okay, you know what. 141 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: Let me ask some pointed questions, Vincent Hill. When did 142 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: Jukes say he first saw Tara Grinstead's body? That was 143 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: after Ryan called him? I believe He said it was 144 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: on that Sunday evening and he called Ryan called him, 145 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: he saw the body. The body was naked. He talked 146 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: about how Ryan told him he had dumped her purse 147 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: in her identification in a dumpster at a convenience store, 148 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: and they then loaded her body into his truck, took 149 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: it out to the pecan field and set it on 150 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: fire for two days. Take a listen to our friend 151 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: at WSB, Craig Lucy. That soldier testified that he reported 152 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: to police multiple times, said Dukes told him that he 153 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: was involved in hiding the body of Tara Grinstead. He 154 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: took the stand for a long time today, wiping away 155 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: tears at times, and said bo Dukes told him during 156 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: Christmas break that he had messed up and he needed 157 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: his help. You had made multiple repeated goals to local 158 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 1: law enforced. Yes, sir, that is John McColl on the 159 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: stand Tuesday in a Wilcox County courtroom in South Georgia. 160 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: He went to basic training with bow Dukes, the man 161 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: accused of helping Ryan Duke disposed of Taran Grinstead's body 162 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: in two thousand and five. McColl it testified about a 163 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: conversation he had with bow Dukes, and he tried reporting 164 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: it over and over. I couldn't get nobody to listen, 165 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: I said. He finally called the GBI, which led to 166 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: this recording. And then you know that dude was upset, 167 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, accidentally killed her. That's what the buddy told 168 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: the bow accidentally killed him. Yes, mccollo testified that bow 169 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: Dukes told him his friend Ryan Duke killed the former 170 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: beauty queen. He killed that board them. Then he said 171 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: something even more disturbing it takes. In that interview, Dukes 172 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: tells investigators that Ryan Duke is the one that killed 173 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: Grin's dead. Apparently he broke into her house and strangled 174 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: her on her bed, then used bow Duke's truck to 175 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: dump her body on a pecan farm owned by bow 176 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: Dukes his uncle. Here's WMAZ reporter Chelsea beam Four. Duke 177 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: says that Ryan took him to that site where the 178 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: body was dumped three days after it happened. Clothes so now. 179 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: Bo also tells investigators in the interview that he felt 180 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: compelled to cooperate during their twenty seventeen meeting because he 181 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: had been keeping this a secret for a long time 182 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: and it had begun to weigh on him. Duke's denied 183 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: any involvement in the case during a twenty sixteen interview 184 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: with the GBI. Now, though Bou told an investigator is 185 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: that he felt like he couldn't talk to a therapist. 186 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: He later admits in the interview that he told at 187 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: least a half dozen people about his involvement in the case, 188 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: including his ex wife and a cousin. On trial right now, 189 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: A man admits he helps dispose of a missing teacher, 190 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: a beauty queen working on her master's degree, naked body 191 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: after his long ago high school classmates strangles her dead, 192 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: saying it took two days for Tara Grinstead's remains to 193 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: burn until there was nothing left but ash. At the courthouse, 194 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill joining me now to the expert who's worked 195 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: on the case for over thirteen years, Private investigator, doctor 196 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: Maurice Godwin. Doctor Godwin, thank you for being with us. 197 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: I mean when I look at bou Dukes and Ryan 198 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: Duke and they're like two idgits there. I mean, and 199 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: to think after all these years, what it boiled down 200 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: to was Ryan Duke breaking into Terry Grinstead's home with 201 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: a credit card. I mean, I can do that for 202 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: Pete's sake, credit card or driver's license and goes in 203 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: looking for money for drugs. It was never more complicated 204 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: than that, Doctor Godwin, that's right. But I believe Bo 205 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: was there with it. Tell me what you believe happened. 206 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: I believe Bo is more involved in this murdered. I 207 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: just don't think, did you be. I can place them 208 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: into the house, and that's one of the main problems, 209 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: and they just can't prove it. Well, tell me what 210 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: you think happened based on the testimony we're hearing. I 211 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: think Ryan went into the house, I think confining her. 212 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: And something that's not been mentioned yet is that hers 213 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: Landline correos Fi was found in the bathroom, along with 214 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: a pair of panties found in the bathroom. I think 215 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: that Ryan was chasing her and she was trying to 216 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,599 Speaker 1: hide hide in the bathroom, and he pushed on the 217 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: door and got her out of the bathroom and beat 218 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: her and cured her and then got the trut, got 219 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: her in the trut and cured back to being Hill County, 220 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: and then got both. And that's what he said too, 221 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, judge, lawyer, anchor Ashley, it's it's I don't 222 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: really how to say it. How did this stump police 223 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: and GBI for so long? I mean, they were in 224 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: her class. They left DNA in a plastic glove in 225 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: the front yard. Listen, you know I support law enforcement 226 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: one thousand percent. However, having said that, there's an admission 227 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: by a GBI agent that says, you know what, these 228 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: two individuals names were associated with this case some time ago, 229 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: and he assumed local police had chased it down. They hadn't, 230 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: and so there were some oversights, and I think that's 231 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: why this had not been tracked down sooner and solved sooner. Well, 232 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: what I don't understand to doctor Maurice Godwin, who's been 233 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: on the case over thirteen years, if their sole intention 234 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: was to go into steal things to get drug money, 235 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: why was she naked. I don't think robbery was the motive. 236 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: I think a sexual assault, and I think her body 237 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: was destroyed to cover up any forms of sexual assault too. 238 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill joining me in the courthouse, What about that, Vincent? Yeah, 239 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, I thought that as well. But however 240 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: both do. During his video statements of the GBI said 241 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: he asked Ryan was raped the motive from Ryan said no, 242 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: it wasn't that he was just going there to get stuff, 243 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: were drugs, But that could be a viable point, Nancy, 244 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: that her body was a story to get rid of 245 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: the evidence of a sexual assault. To Robin Malinski, also 246 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: on the story Crime online dot com investigative reporter Crime Online, 247 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: you can find this in all other breaking crime and 248 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: justice knee. What about it, Robin, Yeah, I personally believe 249 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: that there was a sexual assault, because why else would 250 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: you be burning this woman's body. You're you're burning the 251 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: body to cover up any DNA evidence that was left 252 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: after he most likely attacked her. Keep in mind, Nancy, 253 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: you know we talk about her as a beauty queen. 254 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: Look at her picture, look at her face. She was 255 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: so beautiful, very fit, very thin, wore always wore program 256 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: She was meticulous about her things, and she was meticulous 257 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: about her grooming. Take a listen to opening statements in 258 00:16:53,880 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: that courtroom. It's about his secret that he helped Rian destroy, 259 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: burn the disposed of them, the secret that he kept 260 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: here in Littlecox Counting when he spoke of ash deel 261 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: June from sixteen and two thousand and sixteen. This case 262 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 1: is about those lies, lies that lasted from two thousand 263 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: and five to two thousand and sixteen. It's about those 264 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: cover of It's about those constilled that his best friend 265 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: Ryan had killed Terry instant and then they both burned 266 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: about And it's about those economo and his Spanish econo 267 00:17:52,359 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: word that burns hot at twelve hundred crews were burned, 268 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: the balls burns, the flesh burned, the balls dash Matthew's 269 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: heard you in case saying, improved you beyond the reason 270 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: that this is its stilull crime stories with Nancy Grace. 271 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: Did he say that they burned the body? He told 272 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: you that they burned right, Yes, they burned your lia 273 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: that drew up the field and they nobody would ever 274 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: find anything in all this, you know, like talking to 275 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: it's um. It starts well, I remember and I remember 276 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: when you called it in you were like, you know, 277 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is true or not, you know, 278 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: you know, I just I need to get this off 279 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: my chips. And you've been you know. And then because 280 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: you told me they saw something on the internet and 281 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: you looked it up and you were like, wow, I 282 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: thought that case you would have been solved way back 283 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: then and it wasn't. That's what prompted you to call 284 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: the first time, you know. I mean, yeah, so I 285 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: originally I originally called, you know, way or like wait 286 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: before hey, you know what what's going on with this? 287 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: And you know, stuff like that, you know, And that 288 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: was probably any U two shouts at eight or late 289 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: out and where in two thousand and eighty nine police department? 290 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: Do you remember who? What police department? Want to say? 291 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: What's the one? What's that old stealer? They don't do 292 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: their old Stiller and Fitzgerald. But it was a local 293 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 1: police department and I was just asking questions and then 294 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: it kind of went and got aware and that I 295 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: was just like, okay, well get things since nobody wants 296 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: to talk from you there. You you're all the standard 297 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: for army buddy of bow deeps John McCullough under oath, 298 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: saying bow Diecks told him about covering up Ary Grinsted's 299 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: murder back in two thousand and six, and he went 300 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: to police. Nothing happened. Shout out to Joe Scott Morgan, 301 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: forensics expert, author of Blood Beneath My Feet way in, Hey, Nancy, 302 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: let me tell you something. If you're talking about burning 303 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: a body, this is an intense process that has to 304 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: take place where individuals have to literally tend the fire 305 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: for a protracted time. In a crematory. When you talk 306 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: about bodies being cremated, it takes roughly thirteen hundred degrees 307 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: to eighteen hundred degrees of sustained burning over a protracted 308 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: period of time. That's where the natural gas supply in 309 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: an oven literally where the body is rendered down. Now 310 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: you've got these guys outdoors in an open pit. Now 311 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: they're just like the prosecutor, it said a moment ago. 312 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: They're using pecan wood, and pecan wood burns very hot. 313 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: But still you've got this open source, so you're bleeding energy. 314 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: They would have had to stayed out there for a long, 315 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: protracted time to render her body down. And you know 316 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: what else, Nancy. This case reminds me of another very 317 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: very famous case in Georgia criminal history, going back decades 318 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: and decades mur and Kaleeda County. That's a seminal case 319 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: where a man had to have his hired men tend 320 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: to fire for two to three days to burn and 321 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: render down a body, to get it to the point 322 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: where they could dispose of it. Another case like this 323 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: happened in Georgia too. Karen Stark, psychologist. You can find 324 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: her at Karen Stark dot com. You know, Karen, we're 325 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: all talking about the temperature to burn a body, the 326 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: forensics aspect of this. It's really inside baseball two experts. 327 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 1: But what this spoils down to is this a beautiful 328 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: young history teacher who was a mentor to other girls, 329 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: a beauty queen working on her master's degree, was brutally 330 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: I believe, raped and murdered in her own home, minding 331 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: her own business. And Karen, it has upset me no 332 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: end to hear other people on air, and I will 333 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: not nay names because it's not about them. It's about 334 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: her suggesting she had gone to some big party, that 335 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: she had broken up with her boyfriend and she was single, 336 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: and ready to mingle and got drunk or high and 337 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: ended up dead. I hate that. I hate it. I 338 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: hate it because, on top of everything else that has happened, 339 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: people are dragging her name through the mud. And as 340 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: it turns out, she was home alone after barbecue put 341 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: on by school official, came straight home and went to bed. 342 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: That is what happened. Karen starts, this is a typical 343 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: case of blaming the victim. They eliminated being able to 344 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: do that in court a long time ago, when they 345 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: used to talk about the way women dressed, remember, and 346 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: how it was too provocative. And here we go with somebody, 347 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: a beautiful woman who really was a mentor to other 348 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: girls who did good deeds, and she was, I believe 349 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: with you, raped, punished, killed because she was beautiful, and 350 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: everyone is trying to put the blame on her and 351 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: her lifestyle, which makes absolutely no sense. It's horrendous. Two 352 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: Doctor Maurice Godwin, private investigators worked on the case over 353 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: thirteen years. What's your take on what's happening in court? Well, 354 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: I don't. I think that is the DNA on the 355 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: glove touch DNA. As far as Bow is concerned, they 356 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: can't rule him out. But as far as bows casseron, 357 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: he admitted to burning the body, so he admitted to 358 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: being there. So so I don't I think every dance 359 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: is strong for convicttion in Bow's case. To Robin Wilinski, 360 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Robin, who is on 361 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: the jury, tell me about jury the jury selection. There 362 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: are seven women who've been selected in five men, and 363 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: from all accounts, they are paying attention. You and I 364 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: have been to trials where you have people that are 365 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: not taking notes. I can remember very clearly at the 366 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: Casey Anthony trial some of the jurors looked lost in space, 367 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: if you will. But I really believe that these jurors 368 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: are paying very close attention to the testimony. They watch 369 00:24:53,800 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: that videotape police where he lets it rip, and he 370 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: you know, details his involvement in the case. And from 371 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: all accounts, the jury, this particular jury is paying attention 372 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: and taking notes. Let's take a listen to the GBI 373 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: confession of Tara Grinsta's former student, Bow Dukes and then 374 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: where a bottle up in your truck? Did he say 375 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: anybody else uthing? He stopped at a dumpster behind Roger 376 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: Man Fisher, yeah, one twenty nine course, sure, anything else close. 377 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: I can't remember what he said about the class problem. 378 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly. And why do it? I mean, 379 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: you never never said to this day he never distorts 380 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: by so sasola before keys purse maybe cloth and rusher 381 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:21,239 Speaker 1: and draft a couple of times, Robin Willinski. I mean, 382 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: he couldn't be more clear about what happened, you know, Nancy. 383 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: Here's the thing Bo Duke's in this GBI confession. He 384 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: actually puts himself at the pecan orchard. His uncle owns 385 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: the property. He had been there a couple of times, 386 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: and he actually says that he sees Tara's naked body, 387 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: face up with bugs on it, with actual ants crawling 388 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: on her. He takes you to and is a body 389 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: could anything is clothed and not at all and it 390 00:26:54,520 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: wasn't covering with anything. Thats okay, but just seeing less 391 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: and then you get walking by you see it like 392 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: just oclock every year. You probably didn't need to seeing out, 393 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: I mean, but if you were, it wouldn't be too 394 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: fully and see it okay, maybe too a louver. He says, Lan, 395 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: thanks that did you know about Uh? Yeah, yes, I mean, 396 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, tell me who want to I guess I'm 397 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: already expecting, right, But and you go for a class 398 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: still resembling. Yeah, I mean discolored. I mean, I guess 399 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: for a dance, all right. Georgian man admits he helped 400 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: dispose of a beautiful young teacher's body after his long 401 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: ago high school classmates strangled her dead, saying it took 402 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: two days for her body to burn until there was 403 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: nothing left but Ash. That's Bodix gut wrenching testimony, talking 404 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: about being out in the middle of a pecan orchard 405 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: and seeing Terror's body face up with aunts crawling on her. 406 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: I can only imagine what her mother, her wonderful mother, 407 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: is going through hearing this testimony about her little girl, 408 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: Because you know, I tell the twins they're not taller 409 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,239 Speaker 1: than me, but they John David is and Lucy's getting there. 410 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: But they're my babies. I can't even stand when they 411 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: get a scrape on their knee, much less hearing this 412 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: to judge, lawyer and anchor and mom Ashley Wilcott, what 413 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: about it? Ash? Yeah, I completely agree with you. And 414 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: here's the thing. Dukes is charged with three different counts 415 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: two counts of making false statements, one count of hindering 416 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: the apprehension of a criminal, and one count of concealing 417 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: a death. I think, and I've been following the trial 418 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: listening to the testimony. To me, the video that you 419 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: just played and that the jury has seen would convictim 420 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: of these things. So it's a really interesting case to hear. 421 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: What is this defense going to possibly archick Listen to 422 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: our friends at WFXL Fox thirty one. The Georgia Bureau 423 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: investigation was called in on day one. Gary Rothwell and 424 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: his team at the GBI are now handling the investigation. 425 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: We didn't have any sign of four stantry. There's no 426 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: sign of struggle, but that's not to say that you know, 427 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: something could have happened. We once within her residence. Investigators 428 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: then began trying to account for Terror's movements at Sunday nights. 429 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: But it culminated in her attending what we would refer 430 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: to as maybe a barbecue with some friends of hers 431 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: not too far away from her house. And she left 432 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: that barbecue shortly after ten thirty and has not been 433 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: accounted for again. Yeah yet, Before that barbecue, Terror stopped 434 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: at a beauty pageant. In Fitzgerald. Noah Griffin is one 435 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: of the pageant organizers. He remembers seeing his friend that 436 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: day though it was one of the things I was asked, 437 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, did she seem depressed? Did she seemed upset? 438 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: Not to me at all. I mean she was very 439 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: just like everyday Tera. Advising in beauty pageants was one 440 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: of several responsibilities. Terror juggled on top of being a 441 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: full time teacher. She done pageants, she coached girls, She 442 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: done hair, she done makeup, she was a student at night. 443 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, she was just always on the game. Question, 444 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: why do you believe Karen Stark psychologist Karen Stark dot com. 445 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: Anyone would go along with a scheme to dispose of 446 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: a lady's naked body, plus a teacher that taught you 447 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: in high school? Why would you go along with that? 448 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: Makes you wonder how much she really was involved to 449 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: me anyway, Nancy, it seems as though maybe she watched 450 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: his teacher. She watched his teacher, but perhaps he had 451 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: a crush on her all these years. Maybe both of 452 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: them were really interested in molesting her or trying to 453 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: have sex with her, and something went wrong. I just 454 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: can't imagine that he would just say, sure, let me 455 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: help the dispose of this body. I'm a good friend. 456 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: It makes no sense. Take a listen to that GBI 457 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: confession played for the jury. Exactly what happened, he told 458 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: me waiting night. Honestly, he trying to try two. He 459 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: was very way and he's a good guard to getting 460 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: through the front of her her She was in with 461 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: it and trying to her right there and then her body. 462 00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: We try. I don't know, yes, okay, well there you 463 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: hear from the horse's mouth. Because you know, a cop 464 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: can testify to a witness, can testify to a confession. 465 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: But in this day and age, so many times juries 466 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: they just don't believe it. I remember arguing to juries 467 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: with me my partner in crime, uh Jackie Howard here 468 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: in the studio, Alan joining me from La Alan. I've 469 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: argued a million times to a jury, what do you 470 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: want a video? Well, I don't have a video. But 471 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: in this case, they had the confession on audio and video, 472 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: and I believe that that is what turned the time 473 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: because they could see he wasn't beaten into a confession, 474 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: shricked into a confession, forced into a confession. He gave 475 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: the confession freely, and I believe that that's why we 476 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: have a verdict today. Well, he said that he wanted 477 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: to get this off of his chest, that it was 478 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: a big burden for him to carry all that dozen 479 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: or so years, and so he got the chance to 480 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: do it with a GBI agent. But I think he 481 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: was hoping there would be a plea deal that would 482 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: keep him out of prison. But of course prison spoiled 483 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: Alan Duke. I mean, what did you drink the defense 484 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: ko Lake keep him out of prison? What do you 485 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: mean he spoiled it. He had a plea deal, he 486 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: told the truth, He was cooperating initially with the GBI, 487 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: and there was the anticipation he was going to get 488 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: this deal. But you know, he messed it all up. 489 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: I mean, good grief. This guy actually went on the 490 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: run just a couple of months ago on a rape 491 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: charge and sodomy. I might add list only the sodomy 492 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: out of that. Yeah, you know what, that messed up 493 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: his whole deal. He had a deal in the works, 494 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: he would testify an exchange for a lighter sentence. Then 495 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: he goes on the run, he jumps bail. He allegedly 496 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: commits a rape and a sodomy while he's on the run, 497 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: and so the whole deal was off. And as a result, 498 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: the deal was off for leneit treatment and estate had 499 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: this confession. So in my mind that's what turned the tide. 500 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: Allan Duke. Yes. And what is interesting to me and 501 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: I know to you, after all of these years of 502 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: wondering what happened to Tara, we got new information on 503 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: what happened. And now this is just like the pregame 504 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: because in two weeks from now we have the Ryan 505 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: Duke murder trial and it will all come out. Long 506 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: story short for those of you just joining us, there 507 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: is a verdict in the Tara Grinstead case. You know, 508 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: I understand that the head of the government in New 509 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: Zealand is not saying a word about the name of 510 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: the mass shooter. I feel the same way about the 511 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: cases I tried and covered. I never referred to them 512 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: as the quote A. J. Simpson case. I refer to 513 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: it as the Nicole Brown case because it's all about 514 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: the victim. And this is about Tara Grinstead. Well Bo Dukes, 515 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: who did not take this and to defend himself during 516 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 1: his trial, that jury heard plenty of him, including two 517 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: conflicting conversations with a GBI investigator. After hearing him confess 518 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: on the standard took that jury lesson one hour to 519 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: convict Duke on four counts, including two council false statement, 520 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: hindering apprehension of a criminal, and concealing the death of another. 521 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: That death the beautiful, the talented Tara Grinstead. And in 522 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 1: the last hour, Boat Dukes sentenced to twenty five years 523 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: behind bars. And can I say number one that's too 524 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: light and number two that's just a pit stop on 525 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: his trip to hell. It was a remarkable sentencing hearing 526 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: two today with Connie Grinstead, that's the stepmother of Tera 527 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: Grinstead speaking for the family, and let's listen to it. 528 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: October two thousand and five was the beginning of one 529 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: of the most painful journeys that I think any family 530 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: could ever be faced with, and the defendant was right 531 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: in the middle of it. We know he wasn't charged 532 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: with TERA's murder, but for over eleven years he watched 533 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: all of us who loved her suffer unimaginable pain and 534 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: heartache as we frantically searched for her and prayed that 535 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: by some miracle, we might find her alive. He watched 536 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: innocent people's lives turned upside down because they were falsely accused. 537 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: He watched whole communities in turmoil because Tara was missing Oscilla, 538 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: where she lived and worked, her hometown of Hawkinsville, and 539 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: even areas beyond. What he didn't see was the fear 540 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: in the eyes of the young children in our family, 541 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: who were afraid to even go outside and play because 542 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: they thought if somebody took Tara, they might take me to. 543 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,959 Speaker 1: What he didn't say was my elderly mother, who lived 544 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: and in assisted living home, and who would sit every 545 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: day with her face in her hands, worried and upsee 546 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: it because we couldn't find Tera. When the workers would 547 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: ask her what was wrong, she would say, I'm just 548 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: so worried about Tara. My mother had a stroke and 549 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: died twenty eight days after Tera disappeared. The workers in 550 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: that home told me they fully believed the stress of 551 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: TERA's disappearance brought on that stroke that ended her life 552 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: in a matter of hours. I wasn't even able to 553 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: be with my mother during the last days of her 554 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,399 Speaker 1: life to comfort her because we were out looking for Tera, 555 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: doing everything we need to do to find her, So 556 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: I have to live with that sadness every day too, 557 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 1: that I could not be there for her at a 558 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: time when she needed me the most. What he didn't 559 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: see was the days and nights that we were so 560 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: overcome with grief we could barely function. The sadness that 561 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: I still see in her. Daddy's eyes over loosing his 562 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 1: little girl breaks my heart. And while all of those 563 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 1: situations I just described were taking place, he did nothing. 564 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: He just went on living his life, not caring about 565 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: the pain he had caused to others. He knew she 566 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: was never coming back. He could have at least told 567 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: us that, but he didn't. And the reason he knew 568 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 1: she wasn't coming back is because he had put load 569 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: after load of wood on her body and burned her. 570 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: He tried to make sure there would be nothing left 571 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,240 Speaker 1: of her. What kind of person does that to another 572 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: human being? He underestimated how much she meant to so 573 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,760 Speaker 1: many people, and he underestimated her family and her friends 574 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: and the fact that we would never give up. Tera 575 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: was a wonderful person. She was a great teacher. She 576 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 1: always tried to help her students reach their full potential. 577 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: She was a hard worker, still a student herself. She 578 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: had accomplished so much in her young life, but she 579 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: still had dreams and goals that she was working towards. Now, 580 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: all we can do is hold her dreams in our hearts, 581 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: because we will never see her fulfill them. His selfish 582 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: evil acts have hurt so many people and changed our 583 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: lives forever. But our words here today, and even what 584 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: the court of public opinion thinks of him should not 585 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: really be what matters most to him. What should matter 586 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,320 Speaker 1: the very most is what God sees when he looks 587 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: into his heart. TERA's dad and I respectfully ask that 588 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: this court give him the maximum sentence. And then bodukes 589 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: the man convicted of burning TERA's corpse, then, keeping quiet 590 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: about who killed her, addressed the court, said, family, I'm 591 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: truly sorry your long suffering has been unimagined. My actions 592 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: are cowardly, calloust and cruel. I was more interested in 593 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: self pity and self preservation than doing the right thing 594 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: for Tera and for you. I pray for your forgive. 595 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: I apologize to those who were casting or a cloud 596 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: of suspicion for so long reputations, but their friends and 597 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 1: family destroyed. I can never undo that damage and I 598 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: sincerely apologize to the local communities. I'm sorry for the 599 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: years of uncertainty, of suspicion and mistrust placed even on 600 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 1: law enforcement community by my actions. I apologize to my 601 00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:03,280 Speaker 1: own family, to my mother, to Brook shared my actions 602 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: and failures. I'm responsible for a long I failed Terrogrinceton, 603 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: I failed her family, I failed the local community. And 604 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: I hope these proceedings have given some closure to the 605 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: many people hurt by my actions. And I want to 606 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: each of you to know that I am truly remorseful, 607 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,399 Speaker 1: and I expect we'll hear from both Dukes again next month, 608 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 1: as the murder trial for Ryan Duke begins in Ocello, Georgia, 609 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: and as Aland just told you in two weeks, the 610 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: actual killer in my mind, Ryan Duke, is on trial 611 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:48,839 Speaker 1: for murder. May they both rot in hell. Nancy Grace 612 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off goodbye for