1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: This is Laura, Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: episode is going to be a longer one part of 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: the series where I interview fascinating people about how they 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: take their days from great to awesome and any advice 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: they have for the rest of us. So today I 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: am delighted to welcome Jillian Goddard to the show. Jillian 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: is a practicing indochronologist in New York City. She also 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: writes the Hot Flash newsletter that is a popular part 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: of the Parent Data Empire. So, Jillian, welcome to the show. 11 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Laura, Yeah, excited to have you here. 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: So tell our listeners a little bit about yourself. 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 3: Sure, So, as you mentioned, I'm an undochronologist, which means 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: I take care of people who have problems with their 15 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: hormones and the glance that make those hormones in New 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: York City, and I have been doing that for a 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: long long time. 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 4: And then in the last eighteen. 19 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 3: Months or so, I have started writing about women's hormonal 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 3: health for Emily Oster's Parent Data and that's been really 21 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 3: fun because actually I was a journalism major as an 22 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 3: undergrad and so it's been great to circle back to 23 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 3: using those skills in a way that kind of ties 24 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 3: my previous career and my current career together. 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 26 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you a little bit about 27 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: that career evolution. What made you think like now's the 28 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: time to do this? It was this something that'd been 29 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,279 Speaker 2: in the back of your mind for a while. 30 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I had, you know, I started my practice 31 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 3: about a little over ten years ago, and it takes 32 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: some time to build a practice, and at that my 33 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: kids were young at the time. I have four kids, 34 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: and at the time they were you know, very small 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: preschoolers and early school age. And then as I built 36 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 3: my practice and my kids got older, the practice became 37 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 3: a little bit more sort of I mean, I don't 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: want to say autopilot, but established, and there were good 39 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 3: routines there. I love seeing patients and they're always interesting 40 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: and I always learned something from them. But there's when 41 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: you run your own practice, there's only so much career 42 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: growth that you can do with that. And I was 43 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: really kind of casting about a bit for a way 44 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 3: to use my brain a little bit differently, to think 45 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 3: about things differently, and then this opportunity to work with 46 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: Emily fell in my lap, so it was good timing 47 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: as it were. 48 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: So, yeah, no, that sounds wonderful. And I would imagine 49 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: because of this, because you spend some of your days 50 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: practicing medicine and you spend some of your days more 51 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: on your writing stuff, that you have probably very different 52 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: schedules depending on what they're day is. So maybe could 53 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 2: talk through what your daily life looks like, but understanding 54 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: that these are these are two different schedules entirely. 55 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I really do have exactly that, two separate 56 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: types of days in my schedule. I have two days 57 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 3: a week I spend in the office seeing patients, and 58 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 3: on those days, those days start very early, so my 59 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: alarm goes off at four forty five. I get up, 60 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: get out of my house before anyone else is usually awake. 61 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 3: It's usually very quiet when I leave. I drive to 62 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 3: my office, which is about half an hour away, and 63 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: then I prepare for patients and do all the things 64 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: related to seeing patients for the next ten hours. So 65 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: I see patients from seven in the morning to five 66 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: in the afternoon and sort of accomplish all the paperwork 67 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: and administrative tasks that go along with seeing patients. 68 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: I try to do that. 69 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 3: Mostly on those days as well, So I try to 70 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: be really efficient when I'm in the office, and then 71 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 3: I try to be in the car by about five 72 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 3: thirty head home. I have four kids who are in 73 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: high school, in middle school, and I've got one my 74 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 3: youngest is in third grade, and so there's I help 75 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: with driving, I help with homework. I do I used 76 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: to do when my kids were little. 77 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 4: I used to do like a second shift. I do 78 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 4: not do that anymore. 79 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: I now that my kids are older and they're up 80 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: and around, I really try to keep the evenings more 81 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 3: focused on spending time with them, barring something emerchant. Yeah, 82 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 3: and so those are patient days on my and you'll 83 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 3: notice there were there were some things that were missing 84 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 3: from that, so like there was no exercise in there, 85 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: not a lot of eating. 86 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: No I do eat, but. 87 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: There's little days are verious. Days are very devoted and 88 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: it's one patient after another for the next parton. 89 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: I usually see between twenty five and thirty people a day, 90 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 3: so it is one patient after another for ten hours 91 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: on the days when I'm at home, So three days 92 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: a week I'm at home. Those are my writing days, 93 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,119 Speaker 3: and I I sleep in a smidge. I sleep until 94 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 3: five forty five, so it feels late, feels like. 95 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: And then I actually try to do. 96 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 3: An hour of work before my family is kind of 97 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 3: up and moving around, and I really try to know 98 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 3: exactly what I'm planning to accomplish in that hour beforehand, 99 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 3: so I don't get up at five forty five and 100 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: go what should I do? 101 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: From six to seven. 102 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: I have a specific task in mind, and it might 103 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 3: be to edit an article. Today, I worked on the 104 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 3: editorial calendar for the upcoming month. I have a really 105 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 3: specific and finite task. It is not a time when 106 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 3: I do sort of deep writing. 107 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 4: At that point. And then my kids get up. 108 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 3: Everybody is our around and about, and that process takes, 109 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 3: you know, it takes a little while to get them 110 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 3: out the door. And then at eight I usually walk 111 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 3: out the door with my youngest son. We walk to 112 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 3: school and I continue on. I usually run on those mornings, 113 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: I do like three to. 114 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 4: Five miles, and then a couple days a week. 115 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: I actually then go straight from that to a pilates 116 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 3: lesson and then I come home and get myself settled 117 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 3: in to work. And on those days I like to 118 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 3: write in the morning till about three o'clock. 119 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 4: And then because that's when the people start coming back. 120 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: From school and and so then I try to do 121 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: all the other things when they're here. So they're pretty 122 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 3: good about about meetings and stuff. Although I did quite 123 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 3: famously post on Instagram signs that I put all over 124 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: my house when I had an important meeting that they 125 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 3: were going to be coming home from school in the 126 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 3: middle of. 127 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: I don't interrupts a. 128 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 3: Meeting, yes exactly, But so I'll do meetings, I'll do 129 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: phone calls things, things that if they come in, you know, 130 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 3: it's not the end of the world. The one exception 131 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: to that is if I know I'm going to be 132 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: doing something like this like guesting on a podcast, I 133 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 3: schedule it during school hours. 134 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, long experience, I know to do that as well. 135 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: Although there was a famous time I was giving a 136 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: talk virtually and I wound up with a five year 137 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: old on the screen with me. 138 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: So that was that was an experience, for sure. But 139 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: he's far cuter than I was, so it actually probably 140 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: made it all go better. Exactly exactly. 141 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: So, what time do you have to go to bed 142 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: to wake up at four forty five or five forty 143 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: five depending on the day. 144 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I have a hard and fast ten pm bedtime, 145 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: and we have a pretty specific evening routine at our house. 146 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 3: My youngest is still going to bed fairly early. He 147 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 3: crashes around eight thirty or so. Between nine fifteen or 148 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 3: so and ten o'clock, my middle two kids, who are 149 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 3: fourteen and eleven, we sit down and watch a TV 150 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 3: show with them. So it's my husband and I and 151 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: the two kids, and we've so we've watched a lot 152 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 3: of Seinfeld, We've watched all of the Office, we've watched 153 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: and right now we're watching The Good Place, which they 154 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: actually really really like. They get all wrapped up in 155 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 3: the cliffhangers. So yeah, and then my daughter, who's fourteen, 156 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 3: she stays up. She's usually still doing homework and stuff 157 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: after that, but the eleven year old will go to bed, 158 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 3: and so will I. So lights out at ten o'clock. 159 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: Excellent. Well, that's good. And maybe that's a little bit 160 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: less sleep. 161 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: Than you'd like on the mornings when you have to 162 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: wake up at four forty five, but it's you know, 163 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: a good amount then on the days that you're waking 164 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 2: up at five forty five, right. 165 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, when I have tracked my time over 166 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 3: the years, I have found that the number of hours 167 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 3: I sleep is remarkably stable. Even when I had babies, 168 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 3: I get about seven and a half hours of sleep 169 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 3: on average over the course of a week. 170 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: Yep, same here. 171 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: Well, we're going to talk a little bit about that 172 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: viewing life in terms of a week when we come 173 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: back right after this quick ad break. So I am 174 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: with doctor Gillian Goddard, who is an endocrinologist in New 175 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: York City. She's also the author of the Hot Flash 176 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: newsletter that is part of Emily Oster's parent Data Empire. So, Jillian, 177 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: we're just talking about how you sort of get different 178 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: amounts of sleep on the nights that you are going 179 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: into the office to see patients versus the days that 180 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: you are working from home. But I think in general 181 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: you kind of think about life in terms of a week. 182 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 2: So it's not like you're like, oh, no, I got 183 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: too little sleep that one night, Like, well, I know, 184 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: I get a little bit more the next night and 185 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: over the whole week. Things tend to come out or 186 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 2: like you don't exercise on the patient days but you 187 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: do on the others. Can you talk a little bit 188 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: about that. 189 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 190 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I sort of have an idea of kind 191 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 3: of what I want my week to look like, and 192 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: I stick to a pretty clear template. So, you know, 193 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 3: in addition to not exercising on my patient days, I'm 194 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 3: not always home for dinner with my kids. On patient days, 195 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: I might get home in time to do to drive 196 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 3: somebody to a later activity. I don't always get to 197 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: like leisure activities like reading on patient days, but I 198 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: know that they're really limited days and that I have 199 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 3: a lot more control and flexibility, and I'm a lot 200 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 3: more present on the days when I'm working from home. 201 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: So even though I really do. 202 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: Work from you know, ten to six most days. When 203 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 3: I work from home, I'm I'm My office is like 204 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 3: a fish bowl, it has glass doors, it's hard to 205 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: hide from everybody. So I feel like I'm still here, 206 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 3: I'm still present, I'm still involved in sort of what's 207 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: going on. 208 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 4: Well, there's also weekends. 209 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 3: They come to they talked, we've talked about weekdays, but 210 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: there's definitely also weekends, and so I feel like I 211 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: fit a lot in on those days too. I'm not 212 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: a hard and fast, like don't work on the weekend 213 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 3: kind of person. 214 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 4: I don't like to do clinical work on the weekend. 215 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 3: I just like to have that boundary unless I'm call 216 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: and need to respond to a patient emergency, of course, 217 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 3: But on the weekends when I'm not, I really try 218 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: to kind of hold that boundary. But the writing is 219 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 3: much more fluid. And in general, I would say, you know, 220 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: there's people who are really like have hard fast boundaries 221 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 3: between their work, and there's people who integrate their work. 222 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 3: I know you've talked about that before, and I feel 223 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 3: like with my clinical work, I have these hard fast boundaries, 224 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 3: and with the writing work, it's completely integrated into my 225 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 3: everyday life. 226 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 227 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just an entirely different sort of thing. I 228 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: was wondering about that. Yeah, you'd mentioned on your clinical days. 229 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 2: I know it only takes you about thirty minutes to 230 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: drive to work. I'm guessing it takes you more than 231 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: thirty minutes to leave work. 232 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 4: Sadly it does. 233 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 3: Traffic in New York City is a lovely thing. 234 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: Takes me. 235 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 3: On a good day, forty five minutes and on a 236 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: terrible day an hour and a half. Yeah. Yeah, it's 237 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 3: only twice a week, so only twice a week. It's 238 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: really not back with all sorts of things. I mean, 239 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 3: it basically means I spend three hours of the week 240 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 3: commuting total. If I don't count driving children places. 241 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 2: Well that's but well we can talk about that because 242 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 2: I think one of your sort of life hacks here, 243 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 2: as I've looked at your schedule and all that, is 244 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 2: that you live in a very walkable community. 245 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: And that is intentional, right, very much so. 246 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 3: So we live in a town that's just outside of 247 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: New York City. 248 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 4: It's suburban town. 249 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: But even where we live in our town is very 250 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 3: is very intentional. There's a main street in our town, 251 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 3: and the commuter rail station and the school are all 252 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 3: very centrally located. 253 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 4: And so. 254 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: The best thing about that. 255 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: Is not just that all walk places. Often my kids 256 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 3: can be really really independent. I will sometimes walk to 257 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 3: school with my eight year old, but he doesn't have 258 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: to be picked up from school anymore. So all my 259 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 3: kids can get themselves to and from school by themselves. 260 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 3: My oldest son, you know, plays on the varsity soccer team. 261 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: He manages all of that completely on his own. And 262 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: and they will do things like if they need like 263 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: a poster board or something for school, they can walk 264 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 3: into town and there's a drug store that will have 265 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: the poster board and they can get that on their own. 266 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 3: And so we really focused on making them very independent 267 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 3: pretty early, which helps with things like shuttling people around 268 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 3: at the at the end of the day. We also 269 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 3: now have a third third driver in our household, with 270 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 3: cash pluses and minuses, but it is on the whole, 271 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: on the balance, I think helpful. 272 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: Yeah no, but I mean having kids be able to 273 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: walk places on their own versus needing somebody who's over 274 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: sixteen to drive them everywhere just opens up several years 275 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: where they can get themselves around. 276 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: That would not have been the case without that. 277 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean we actually, you know, in our 278 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 3: little like string of houses, there's like a whole crew 279 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 3: of elementary school kids that walk to school by themselves. 280 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 3: And we actually live so close to the school it's 281 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 3: we're on the same block. 282 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 4: They don't even cross the street. So it's pretty good. 283 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 4: It's pretty it is. 284 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: It's pretty good. 285 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 3: They can also go to the library by themselves, which 286 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 3: is nice. 287 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, But you know what I also thind is 288 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: so interesting about you, Julian. 289 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: You make time for. 290 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: All sorts of other things in your life too, So 291 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: you volunteer extensively, I believe with your your church community. 292 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: Maybe you could talk a little bit about how on 293 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: earth you find the time for that. 294 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: Well. 295 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: So, yeah, So I am currently what is called the 296 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: warden of my church, which is essentially like being the 297 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 3: president of the board on like a not for profit board. 298 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 4: Essentially. 299 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 3: I do that on my writing days, and there have 300 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 3: been times when I have been involved in my church 301 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 3: where that has taken more time. Currently, it's not a 302 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 3: big time commitment. It's probably a couple hours a week 303 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 3: on the whole, aside from aside from you know, actually 304 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: attending services, which I would do anyway. And so I 305 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 3: you know, those those are some of the meetings that 306 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: get scheduled into those like post three pm spots. 307 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 4: It's really important to me. 308 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 3: It's been a community that's been really important to our family, 309 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 3: and so you know, it is important to me to 310 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 3: play a role in kind of making it that community 311 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: for other for other people, and and I really. 312 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 4: You know, I really enjoy it. 313 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 3: And like you, I also singing in my church choir, 314 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 3: which you know, unlike volunteering for the for the board, 315 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 3: is you know, purely for my own joy. 316 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: Understood, understand that what's quite selfish. 317 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: Well, that's a lot of fun. 318 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 3: It's fun to do that, Yeah, it is, it is, 319 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 3: And I've I've gotten to know some people, you know, 320 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: in our church community that I didn't know as well, 321 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: and so it's just been really lovely from that point 322 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 3: of view. And one of my children is very into 323 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: music and is kind of coming up the ranks behind me, 324 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 3: and so that's also kind of fun to see him 325 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 3: be interested in some of the same things that that 326 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 3: I'm interested in, because that's not a guarantee when you 327 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 3: have kidds, never, never, is it. So how do you 328 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 3: come up with your ideas for writing newsletters? I come 329 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 3: up with them for in a few different ways. When 330 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 3: I first when I first pitched myself, I pitched myself 331 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: as sort of writing about more broadly about women's hormonal health. 332 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: But you know, menopaus is having a bit of a moment. 333 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: And one of the things that we did early on 334 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 3: to kind of make sure that this was a viable 335 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 3: option for a newsletter was they asked me to brainstorm 336 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 3: fifty ideas or fifteen ideas, and I came up with 337 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 3: like one hundred right. 338 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: Off the bat. 339 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 3: There's just there's so much to write about, and so 340 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 3: I still occasionally go back to that list. We you know, 341 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,959 Speaker 3: it's if you write a newsletter a week and it's 342 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 3: been and it's been a year, I'm. 343 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 4: Only halfway through that list. 344 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 3: But I also pay attention to what's happening in the news, 345 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 3: kind of what types of things are being covered in 346 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 3: the health news, like on the New York Times Well page, 347 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,719 Speaker 3: if they happen to have an article that isn't about 348 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 3: ozembic already, they tend to do with that a lot. 349 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 3: So I pay attention to that, and then I look 350 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 3: at the journal. So today, when I was working on 351 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 3: an editorial calendar, a couple of things were studies that 352 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 3: have just come out that were reported on. But I 353 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: also just go and look and kind of look for 354 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 3: studies that catch my eye that I think people will like. 355 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: I sometimes I'll do a piece where it's about several studies. 356 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 4: And I'll call it like, you know, like a little 357 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 4: mini journal club. 358 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 3: And there's there was like the perfect piece for that 359 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 3: today and one of the journals about jazz dancing for 360 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 3: fitness and menopause. 361 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: I couldn't resist it. Hits all all all the buttons there. 362 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 2: I mean, you can just you can't help yourself from 363 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 2: clicking on that really exactly exactly. 364 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 3: It's like, uh, medical literature, clickbait, Yeah, exactly exactly. 365 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 2: No, but that's like, that's wonderful that they had you 366 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 2: come up with the fifty ideas because that when I 367 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 2: talk to people about starting podcasts, for instance, they're like, well, 368 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to record an episode. 369 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not going to record one episode. 370 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 2: You should record at least a few, and you need 371 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: to have ideas for like fifteen to twenty because you know, 372 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: once you get your first three out of the way, 373 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 2: it's like, okay, well now what like your audience is 374 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 2: going to keep coming back for more, and so you 375 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: need to keep coughing them up. So we're absolutely, yeah, 376 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: we're gonna take one more quick ad break and then 377 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 2: we'll be back with a little bit more from Jillian. 378 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: I am back with Gillian Goddard, who is an indocrinologist 379 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 2: in New York City is also the author of the 380 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 2: Hot Flash newsletter. So one thing we have in common, Jillian, 381 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 2: is that we spent the past year listening to all 382 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: of bach. So maybe you could talk a little bit 383 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 2: about how that experience was for you. 384 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, So when you first mentioned that you were going 385 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 3: to do it, we were actually at a retreat together 386 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 3: to plan the year, and I was like, oh, you know, 387 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 3: I know Bach, of course, but I don't know Bach 388 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 3: and I have like some ideas, but you know, I 389 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 3: love music. Music is a super important, you know, to 390 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: me and has always been a part of my life. 391 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 3: And I was like, this would be such a fun 392 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 3: way to like spend a little time every day, and 393 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it. 394 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 4: What was amazing to me was. 395 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 3: Because I sing with my choir, how much of some 396 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: of the music I already knew, and how funny it 397 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 3: was to listen to people sing German words too, Like 398 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 3: I could hear the words you know in English in 399 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 3: my head and I was like, wait, I know this one, and. 400 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 4: So that was really fun. 401 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 3: I also had a pretty good familiarity with a lot 402 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 3: of the cello concertos that people love and that they're 403 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 3: toward the end of the schedule that we did, and 404 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 3: so that was a really kind of nice way to 405 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 3: come into the the final stretch. 406 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: But I thought it was really. 407 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 3: It was really interesting to me how conversant I became 408 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 3: and how comfortable I became in a subject that I 409 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: knew something about but not a ton about, and I 410 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 3: actually really really had a great. 411 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 4: Time with it. 412 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is why we're listening to Beethoven. 413 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 4: That's right. 414 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: So Jillie and I. 415 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 2: Are listening to all of Beethoven in the course of 416 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. We're only a few days in as 417 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 2: we're recording this, but so far, so good. 418 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: We've been listening to a lot of early Beethoven. 419 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: It turns out that he was also a very early composer, 420 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 2: a bit like Mozart in that regard, although a little 421 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: bit younger in I guess timeline than Mozart. 422 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's been interesting to see these. 423 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: I was joking with one of my kids after I 424 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 2: heard some like after it was the piano quartet or something, 425 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 2: I'm like he composed it was fourteen, like telling my kid, 426 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 2: have you been composing anything lately? Right? 427 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly. 428 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 3: Well, that's what it's been fun, because you know, my 429 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 3: eleven year old is very into music. And I actually 430 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 3: inherited a bunch of which we haven't used these yet 431 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 3: because we don't have these like early piano works on 432 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 3: record at home. But I inherited a bunch of LPs 433 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 3: from my grandfather that include all of Beethoven's symphonies and 434 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 3: and so we've been talking about how we're going to 435 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: like listen to them together, and and I'm like, he's 436 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 3: he was your age when he wrote this. 437 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 4: It's kind of fun. It's impressive. 438 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, Jillian, what's something you have done recently to 439 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: take a day from great too awesome. 440 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 3: I got myself a new coffee mug, and it's taking 441 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 3: every day from great to awesome. 442 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: What's so amazing about this coffee mug. I'm very curious. 443 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 3: It's the perfect size. Okay, So I have two favorite mugs. 444 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 3: One that I take when I go into the office 445 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 3: because I take my coffee with me. And that one 446 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,239 Speaker 3: is a lovely one that was gifted to me by 447 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 3: the Parent Data team and it has like a logo 448 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 3: on it and everything's quite nice. But the one I 449 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: just got is one that I use at home and 450 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 3: it is quite large, but it Santa got everyone in 451 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 3: our family one of these mugs if they were in 452 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 3: our stockings on Christmas morning, and they have your zodiac 453 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 3: sign on the outside, so I always know which one 454 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: is mine. No one can take it. There are no 455 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 3: other scorpios in the house, and uh it's just it's 456 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 3: like the perfect size to to really enjoy my morning 457 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 3: cup of coffee. And I am I always tell people 458 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 3: I love my coffee. Coffee is one of my favorite 459 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 3: things in the entire world. And when patients think I'm 460 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 3: going to ask them to quit their coffee, I'm always like, no, no, 461 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 3: I'll never take Away'm. 462 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: Not going to do that. Now, I'm very curious how 463 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: many ounces we're talking here. 464 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. It doesn't say but it's 465 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 4: a lot. 466 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: It's a lot. 467 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 3: Okay, it's easily like two normal sizes ougs. But then 468 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 3: I don't have to go back a second time. 469 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: That's true. That's true, which is which is helpful. 470 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 2: We're all about coffee here on a show called Before Breakfast, 471 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 2: So uh well, we'll we'll take that U. And we're 472 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 2: glad to hear that U. Doctor Gillian is not to 473 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 2: make us give that up either. So what are you 474 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 2: looking forward to right now? So I have a new 475 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 2: project in the. 476 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 3: Works that I'm really enjoying working on. I am in 477 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 3: the very early stages of writing a book, and so 478 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 3: I am looking forward to that. 479 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: That's so awesome, and I love that you are a 480 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 2: journalism major and then you had this whole separate career 481 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 2: and then have come back to still writing the book 482 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 2: at this point, so that's really really cool. Well, Jillian, 483 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us. Where can people 484 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 2: find you? 485 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can find me. I'm on Instagram and 486 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 3: I'm Jillian M. Goddard on Instagram and you can find 487 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 3: the Hot Flash newsletter at parent Data dot org. 488 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: Awesome. 489 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for joining us, and everyone, 490 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 2: thank you for listening. If you have feedback on this 491 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: or any other episode, you can always reach me at 492 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. And in the meantime, 493 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 2: this is Laura. Thanks for listening, and here's to make 494 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 2: the most. 495 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: Of our time. Thanks for listening to Before Breakfast. 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