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Speaker 1: What's going on everybody? John Little coop Ing Out podcast.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're listening to right now. I'm a Colin

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Speaker 1: Coward podcast network. Colin Coward probably know him, probably listen

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Speaker 1: to him. I know a lot of you guys DM

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Speaker 1: that's really cool. We're gonna keep pumping these out as

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Speaker 1: listening on Tuesday, I'll probably at forty practice. I'm recording

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Speaker 1: this on Monday night, but I'm gonna go to practice tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: and you know, pretty excited. You're always excited when you

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Speaker 1: But but it's cool to see the rookies because they're

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Speaker 1: wearing shorts and T shirts. But it's definitely cool to

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Speaker 1: see the rookies. It'll be interesting at the Niner practice

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Speaker 1: looking for, and then and then Nick Bosa. But all uh,

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Speaker 1: I'll report on Friday some of the things I've seen

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Speaker 1: I guess tomorrow and uh not that much going on today,

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Speaker 1: But you could always slide up in my middle Coff

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Speaker 1: my Twitter handle, it's my Instagram handle. It's actually the

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna start with this today, pretty shifty news

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Speaker 1: twice to Ruben, once to another guy. She's over three

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Speaker 1: of making up different situations that have been proven not

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Speaker 1: to be true. But Reuben Foster's biggest issue was never her,

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Speaker 1: And he tours a c L and reports come out

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's call it what it is. Career

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Speaker 1: probably ended today on that field. And I think about football,

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Speaker 1: is you know, not that much different life in the

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Speaker 1: sense that it's different than when you enter the workforce.

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Speaker 1: In football, you kind of have you know this this

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Speaker 1: round if you're a first round pick or a fifth

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Speaker 1: Like no one says to like your forty year old

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Speaker 1: I saw Ruben Foster like, if he could have had

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Speaker 1: today May Monday, two thousand nineteen. I'm not gonna spend

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years, but he's only thirty one

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Speaker 1: years old. To me, if I'm a four three team,

428
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Speaker 1: I try to catch slightning in a bottle with this guy.

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Speaker 1: The other news I saw that the forty or not

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Speaker 1: the forty Niners. The I almost said the Raiders. The

431
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Speaker 1: Raiders traded this guy to the Cowboys. That the Cowboys

432
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Speaker 1: and a Marie Cooper are far apart on contracts. I

433
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Speaker 1: think for a Marie Cooper, the contract situation is a

434
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Speaker 1: little tricky because in recent memory, you're not as good

435
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Speaker 1: as Antonio Brown. Right, Antonio Brown is a better player

436
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 1: than Amari Cooper, but you are better than Sammy Watkins.

437
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 1: And last year Sammy Watkins got sixteen million dollars a year.

438
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Speaker 1: So you're like, well, I'm not signing for anything less

439
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Speaker 1: than sixteen million. But the Cowboys are like, well, we

440
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Speaker 1: think you're closer to a sixteen million dollar player than

441
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Speaker 1: a twenty million dollar player. But I think people, especially

442
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Speaker 1: my Twitter timeline, are making a big deal out of it.

443
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty simple that Amari Cooper is asking

444
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Speaker 1: for a lot in the sense that he's really important

445
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Speaker 1: to that team. That team was terrible when he got there.

446
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: They were not going to make the playoffs. They were

447
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Speaker 1: looking like they were gonna be a team. Drafting in

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Speaker 1: the top ten, and then he got there, he had one, three,

449
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Speaker 1: he had seven, He had six touchdowns when he got

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Speaker 1: to Dallas, and he had a three game stretch were

451
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Speaker 1: they were they one at Washington he had eight and

452
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Speaker 1: two touchdowns, and then a couple of weeks later he

453
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Speaker 1: had ten for two seventeen and three touchdowns against the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: I mean those two games are game change. He changed

455
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Speaker 1: their season that Thanksgiving game against Washington and a couple

456
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: of weeks later against the Eagles, he changed the trajectory

457
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: of that franchise. So I do understand from him and

458
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Speaker 1: his agent, they go, yeah, you know, we've averaged about

459
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: seventy catches and six or seven touchdowns our first four years.

460
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Speaker 1: We haven't quite lived up to being a top five pick,

461
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Speaker 1: but we definitely haven't been a bus now you would

462
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: like more. You're not a j Green, You're not Julio Jones.

463
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: You're not as talented as Odell Beckham, You're not as

464
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Speaker 1: productive as Antonio Bryant. But can this guy become like

465
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Speaker 1: Davante Adams after three or four years really took off?

466
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Speaker 1: Can I really help that take off? So I think

467
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Speaker 1: part of their negotiation is unquantifiable because just on paper,

468
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Speaker 1: you go Amari. You know his rookie year he had

469
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Speaker 1: seventy two catches in in six touchdowns. Next year at

470
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: eighty three catches and five touchdowns. So through two seasons

471
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Speaker 1: he was a Pro Bowl or twice. You're like, this

472
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Speaker 1: guy is gonna be a superstar. Well, then the Raiders

473
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Speaker 1: kind of fell part. He had forty eight catches and

474
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Speaker 1: seven touchdowns. It was like kind of a down year.

475
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: Then his fourth season last year was going really shitty

476
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,959
Speaker 1: until he got to Dallas and again he saved their season.

477
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Speaker 1: If I was Dallas, what I do tough spot. If

478
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Speaker 1: I could get him for a cheap deal, I would

479
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Speaker 1: sign him right now. Clearly that's not gonna be easy.

480
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Speaker 1: That's not the way Joe Siegel runs. I might play

481
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Speaker 1: out this season. You're paying him a little over thirteen

482
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Speaker 1: million dollars. If he seventy five catches and seven or

483
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Speaker 1: eight touchdowns, then he's kind of established what his market

484
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Speaker 1: value is. Now the problem that would put you in

485
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Speaker 1: you probably have to franchise him. Then Zeke is also

486
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Speaker 1: gonna be a free agent next year at the franchise

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Speaker 1: one of the two of them, So it gets a

488
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Speaker 1: little tricky. I do think you're better off probably giving

489
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Speaker 1: this guy seventeen eighteen million dollars, you know, like a

490
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Speaker 1: five year sixty million dollar guarantee, like fifty of it

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Speaker 1: something like that. I don't even know if that math

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Speaker 1: adds up. That math is off right. Five year would

493
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Speaker 1: probably be like five year eighty million dollars? Would that

494
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Speaker 1: be five times eighteen? I didn't go to Harvard Business School,

495
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Speaker 1: so oh, let's do the math right now. Five times

496
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Speaker 1: eighteen is ninety. So yeah, five ninety and guarantee like fifty.

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Speaker 1: I would do that right now. The Zeke thing, he

498
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: got in a little trouble today, got handcuffed at a

499
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: music festival where's arguing with his girlfriend. He bumped into

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Speaker 1: this guy that looked like he baited him. Honestly, I

501
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: watched the video and it was like, no big deal.

502
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Speaker 1: Not an ideal thing when you're looking for a new contract.

503
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Speaker 1: But one thing is clear. If you're the cowboys, like

504
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Speaker 1: if Amri just maintains what he was last year, you

505
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: can always find another running back. It's hard to find dynamic,

506
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Speaker 1: you know, super talented. I can't call himn elite wide receiver,

507
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Speaker 1: but super talented wide receivers that have a good connection

508
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Speaker 1: with your quarterback that clearly I've said over and over

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Speaker 1: I would not extend Doc this year. I would wait

510
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Speaker 1: till next year. But this is why sticy for the Cowboys.

511
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Speaker 1: Next year, Doc would be a free agent, then Zeke

512
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Speaker 1: would be a free agent, and Amar would be a

513
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Speaker 1: free agent. Like, that's a lot of free agents in

514
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Speaker 1: one class. I guess Zeke would have a fifth year

515
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Speaker 1: option because he was the first round pick. But you

516
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: up Dak and a Maori, so you couldn't franchise them both.

517
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 1: That that would put you in somewhat of a precarious situation.

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Speaker 1: I do think you could play out this season and

519
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: not sign either, and if a Mari is balling, like

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Speaker 1: pay them mid season, or if Dak's ball and pay

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00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: him mixed mid season, then franchise a Mari. So you do.

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Speaker 1: You do have a little buffer with Zeke. He's going

523
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Speaker 1: into his fourth year. You got a fifth year option,

524
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Speaker 1: so you can stagger it a little bit. But what years.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Smith and the Cowboys are kind of in this position.

526
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Speaker 1: They've drafted Zoel and hit on Byron Jones, and hit

527
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Speaker 1: on so many players You're just not gonna be able

528
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Speaker 1: to keep them all. So one thing the Cowboys are

529
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Speaker 1: gonna have to do this offseason is going into the

530
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Speaker 1: year kind of have an idea of who we're gonna

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Speaker 1: pay out of these four or five guys, and maybe

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Speaker 1: two or maybe two of them, whether it's Jalen Smith,

533
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Speaker 1: whether it's Zeke, whether hell, it could be a Mari.

534
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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to trade and you probably can't trade

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Speaker 1: a Mark. He's gonna be a free agent, so it

536
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Speaker 1: has to be Zeke Jalen Smith, Like you might have

537
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Speaker 1: to trade one of these guys Byron Jones because you

538
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Speaker 1: can't pay them all. It's just financially impossible that the

539
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Speaker 1: salary cap is not infinity. So I think the Cowboys

540
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: are gonna be fascinating. But because they gave up a

541
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Speaker 1: first round pick for a Mari and obviously DA's the quarterback,

542
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: I think those two guys are really really safe. Listen again,

543
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: I think the video of Zeke means nothing. I thought

544
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: it was pretty. It couldn't have been any less harmless. Ideally,

545
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: what I want to see him drunk walking around at

546
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: three am. I mean, he's twenty four years old there

547
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: with his girlfriend. Not that big of a deal, but

548
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: I I don't know. Man's so easy to find running backs.

549
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Speaker 1: I love Zeke. I think he's one of my favorite

550
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Speaker 1: players in the NFL. He's one of the best all

551
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: round running backs in recent memory. But I can't be

552
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: paying running backs, you know, fifty sixty million dollars guaranteed.

553
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: Look at Todd Gurley. I thought he was can't miss guy,

554
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: fantastic and forty million dollars guaranteed. Half a year into

555
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: the deal, He's got arthritis in his knee. Tannan Eyas

556
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: and his knee never gonna be the same. The Rams

557
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: have the draft of running back, so I think you're

558
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: kind of all in with the Mari and Dak and

559
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: even Jalen Smith. I ain't letting that guy go. I

560
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Speaker 1: probably be Byron Byron Jones, and Zeke might not be

561
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: long for the Cowboys. Okay, let's go a little Middlecoff

562
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: mail bag. It's one thing we do on this show

563
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: all the time. At John Middlecoff is my Instagram handle

564
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Speaker 1: the direct messages a K the d MS wide open,

565
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: you slide right in, then I answer your question. Hey, John,

566
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Speaker 1: love the pod. I love my pod too. I'm a

567
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Speaker 1: Broncos fan and we'll be watching Drew locks development as

568
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: a storyline this training camp. How do you think Joe

569
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Speaker 1: Flacco will do? Enrich, I can't say this guy's name,

570
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: but the offensive coordinator that came from the Niners, Kyle

571
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: Shanahan's guy. He's actually at the coach oft UC Davis

572
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: for a while offense this season, and we'll be able

573
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Speaker 1: to hold off Drew Lock for long. What insights do

574
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: you have about try to see his name Scan Guarrello

575
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Speaker 1: as far as what the Broncos offense will look like. Thanks,

576
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: keep grinding. I don't know that much about him. You know,

577
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: he wasn't the offensive coordinator obviously, Kyle was. Kyle kind

578
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: of gets credit for being the quarterback coach. But I

579
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: like the mindset. I think they're basically just going with

580
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Speaker 1: the McVeigh Kyle Shanahan, Jay Gruden zone running offense, so stretch,

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Speaker 1: you know those long stretch the Peyton manning where his

582
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: arms stretched out left and right, so inside outside zone.

583
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Speaker 1: And they love the play action and they love their

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Speaker 1: tight ends, so I would expect their run first offense.

585
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: They like play at playoff. The play action with Joe

586
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: Flacco in theory should be pretty good at to me

587
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: there's no way that Drew Lock should be able to

588
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 1: beat out Joe Flacco. But I do think elways at

589
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 1: the point now kind of yolo that I don't think

590
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: he's too worried. If Drew Lock does beat him out

591
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: or Flacco's just shot, I think he'd be done now.

592
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: I still don't think Joe Flacco is at the point

593
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Speaker 1: where it's just over, though he hasn't played very well

594
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Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. I I understand why

595
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: people like Drew Lock. Super big arm, good athlete, but

596
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Speaker 1: when I watched him play again, it was only a

597
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: couple of games in the fall, and it was in

598
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Speaker 1: a really hard offers. I mean, they're playing Alabama l

599
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: s U the floor the Georgia's I never thought it

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Speaker 1: looked good. Now, I won't dispute he's got a big

601
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Speaker 1: time cannon, but I didn't see it. Now. They didn't

602
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Speaker 1: take him in the first round, so I got no

603
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: problem taking a guy like that in the second round

604
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: all day long. But I do think the change from

605
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Speaker 1: his college offense now, Derek Dooley was off as a

606
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Speaker 1: coordinator last year. He has been an NFL guy for

607
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: a while, so his transition might not be as hard.

608
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Speaker 1: But but I would imagine one thing Kyle Shanahan. Those

609
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: guys like to do, run the ship out of the ball.

610
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Speaker 1: Uh because in that offense, in the zone scheme, you know.

611
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Speaker 1: And they already got good running backs. I mean Philip

612
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Speaker 1: Lindsay wasn't a uh. I'll almost called him an All star,

613
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Speaker 1: a Pro bowler last year who was a stud. They

614
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Speaker 1: drafted Royce Freeman, which I've always been a big fan

615
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Speaker 1: of from Oregon in the fourth round. So they're running

616
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Speaker 1: backs are good. They drafted no offense really high. Now,

617
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Speaker 1: some of my buddies in the NFL say he doesn't

618
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: have the most natural hands, but there is no disputing

619
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Speaker 1: the guy can run like a gazelle. Uh. Manuel Sanders

620
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Speaker 1: coming back from injury. They drafted the kid last year?

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Speaker 1: Is it Sutton? Um? I've in the second round, So

622
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Speaker 1: I think their offense should be pretty solid. Their defense

623
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Speaker 1: gonna be good, you know, as long as they get

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Speaker 1: Chris Harris to come back. He got obviously Von Miller,

625
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Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb. I mean those two guys, that's that's a

626
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: pretty good tandem rushing the passer. Uh. Who they I

627
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: guess they traded back. They didn't want Devin Bush. I did,

628
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Speaker 1: but hell, Fangio was a big time defensive coach. There's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of pressure on rich Skello. It's

630
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: a hard name to say because he's basically gonna be

631
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Speaker 1: the head coach of the offense. And you got Alway

632
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Speaker 1: looking down over your shoulder. Because Fangio is a defensive guy.

633
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Speaker 1: He's gonna be there with Vaughan and Bradley Chubb talking pressures,

634
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: talking talking coverages. You know, with that unit, it's gonna

635
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: be all this guy, and John Elway is gonna be

636
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: breathing down his throat, you know, Flacco in Drew Lock.

637
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Speaker 1: Not an easy place to coach, you know, because I

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Speaker 1: kind of call Alway the modern day Al Davis. Now

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Speaker 1: he doesn't own the team, but he kind of acts

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Speaker 1: like he does. Sits in the coaches uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the coaches room during games, and if he doesn't,

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Speaker 1: he's got the earpiece in. I promise you he's not

643
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Speaker 1: listening to the radio broadcast. He's listening to coaches you know,

644
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Speaker 1: called the place, which is intimidating, and he's just John

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Speaker 1: freaking Elway. So I think there's gonna be somewhat you know,

646
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Speaker 1: a little less pressure this year, but I think last

647
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Speaker 1: year was the first time in like twenty years the

648
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Speaker 1: Broncos missed the playoffs and back to back years. I mean,

649
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Speaker 1: there's a franchise that has a lot of success, so

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Speaker 1: I actually think their team is not as bad as

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Speaker 1: some people think, but the division's hard. Kansas City is

652
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Speaker 1: clearly one of the best teams in the league. In

653
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Speaker 1: San Diego's loaded too, and the Raiders are just much improved. Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Raiders are probably better than the Broncos,

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Speaker 1: but they could be if Derek can just get back

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Speaker 1: to form. They just have a lot of influx and talent,

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Speaker 1: so they I think they're kind of competing for the

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Speaker 1: third spot in the division. With the news about the

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Speaker 1: Patriots that they won't be having separate defensive coordinator and

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Speaker 1: Bill will be running the defense, do you think there's

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Speaker 1: a possibility of embrooming a son into that role and retiring,

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Speaker 1: leaving Josh McDaniels as the head coach and Steve Belichick

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Speaker 1: as the defensive coordinator. Yeah, I don't think that could

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Speaker 1: be discounted. Uh. I house to think Bills, you know, six,

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Speaker 1: this is his life. I mean, football. I'm just reading

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Speaker 1: ak listening to the Belichick book. He's just a junkie man.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he just loves it. I don't see him

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Speaker 1: retiring anytime soon though. Him and cougar Linda, as I

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Speaker 1: refer to her, you know, they love going to these

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Speaker 1: horse races. Does feel like Bill's loosened up a little bit,

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Speaker 1: has a little bit of a social life with Linda Took.

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Speaker 1: I guess Brett bi Lama is now the defensive line coach.

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Speaker 1: The former Arkansas and Wisconsin coach is on the staff.

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Speaker 1: I would imagine Josh McDaniel now turned down on a

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Speaker 1: head coaching job last year, He's gonna be turning down

676
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Speaker 1: head coaching jobs every year. That if Steve Belichick is

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Speaker 1: his defensive coordinator when Bill retires, that's because Josh thinks

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Speaker 1: he's the best guy for the job. I I can't

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Speaker 1: imagine the Patriots forcing Steve Belichick on Josh, but I

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Speaker 1: if I if I'm Belichick, Steve Belichick, maybe he becomes

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Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator of another team. I don't know much

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Speaker 1: about him, if he's a good coach or not. I

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Speaker 1: would imagine he's not a bad coach because one thing

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Speaker 1: is pretty clear, Like they got pretty high standards there.

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Speaker 1: And if Bills your dad and you're listening to him,

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Speaker 1: you probably become a decent coach. But I'd be a

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Speaker 1: little shocked if Josh whenever Bill does retire and then

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Speaker 1: Josh becomes the head coach, they force a defensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: on him. Now, if Steve Belichick was the head was

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Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator when Josh takes over, I'd lean because

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Speaker 1: Josh thinks he's a pretty good coach. I mean, look

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Speaker 1: at last year when Josh took the Colts job. He

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Speaker 1: brought Matt Uberflus, which everyone's like, Uberflus, who is this guy? Well,

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Speaker 1: he's the Cowboys linebacker coach. Pretty clear that guy's a

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Speaker 1: good coach. Matt Uberflus is gonna be a head coach

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Speaker 1: in the NFL probably pretty soon. So like Josh McDaniels,

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Speaker 1: say what you want has a pretty good feel for

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Speaker 1: for assistant coaches like that. That was a good higher

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Speaker 1: you know, it made the job a lot better for

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Speaker 1: Frank when he's showed up to Indy as kind of

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Speaker 1: the second go round coach and he already had a

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator with a defensive staff waiting there for him,

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Speaker 1: and that was because of Josh McDaniels. When you and

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Speaker 1: Colin talk about top running backs in the league, you

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Speaker 1: always talk about Levian Todd and Zeke. Where's the love

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Speaker 1: from Melvin Gordon when he's playing healthy? I believe he

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Speaker 1: belongs in that conversation. That's my opinion. Would love to

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Speaker 1: hear yours. Is he the fourth best running back? Why

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Speaker 1: does he not belong in that conversation? Would love to

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Speaker 1: see or hear your response. Thanks, Happy Friday. Uh. I'll

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Speaker 1: be honest. After year one, I thought Melvin Gordon stunk,

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Speaker 1: But then the last year and I mean his second

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Speaker 1: year and then last year he was excellent. I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I think he is a really good player. I would

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Speaker 1: argue I think Zeke of that group is the most complete.

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Speaker 1: His home run hitting, speak and run inside, can run outside,

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Speaker 1: can break tackles, can make you miss, can really catch

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Speaker 1: the ball, and can block the total package. And he's

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Speaker 1: been really durable. I would take Zeke out of them all.

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Speaker 1: I thought Todd was becoming elite, uh, and then his

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Speaker 1: knee kind of gave out on him. He was his

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Speaker 1: year and a half of the McVeigh when healthy was

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Speaker 1: excellent to me LEVI on the talents there, but he's

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Speaker 1: a big time pain in the butt, but he's pretty talented.

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Speaker 1: I got no problem putting Melvin Gordon, you know, four

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Speaker 1: or five. Trying to think of the other running backs

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, he'd be right up there. Alvin Kamara,

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Speaker 1: you'd have to put Alvin Kamar is pretty special. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: you won't find me beefing with you there. I think

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Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon is top five or six running back in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. He's an excellent player. He's a really good

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Speaker 1: complete running back. Can run the ball inside, can run

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Speaker 1: the ball outside. He's just kind of his natural vision.

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Speaker 1: Not a super fast guy, but when he hits the whole,

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Speaker 1: you know he I thought he danced that first year,

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Speaker 1: but once they drafted J. J. Watts brother, he just

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Speaker 1: became a much more confident running back and it changed

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Speaker 1: the game for that offense. When he's rolling that off

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Speaker 1: it's obviously as dynamic receivers. With Hunter Henry coming back

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Speaker 1: next year, Uh yeah, they should be right in the mix.

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Speaker 1: I could see Melvin Gordon having a massive season. I

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Speaker 1: like Melvin Gordon. I'm not trying to diminish anything. I

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Speaker 1: would just take Zeke just pure football, none of the

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Speaker 1: outside bs. I take Zeke a healthy girly and levy

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Speaker 1: On over him for sure. I wouldn't even hesitate saying that.

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Speaker 1: I think and I take Alvin Kamara over him as well,

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Speaker 1: so I'd have him fifth. There's nothing wrong with being

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Speaker 1: the fifth best running back in the NFL, especially when

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Speaker 1: you have a group of guys like that are that talented.

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Speaker 1: Thoughts on the Bill's draft future, love the show, keep

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Speaker 1: it real? Yeah, I mean ed Oliver fill into their laps. Uh,

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00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: they desperately need some interior pastor they just actually need

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00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: some pass rush. I love that pick who they get.

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Speaker 1: They got the offensive line in the second round. I'm

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Speaker 1: a big believer in Sean mcdermo. I'm gonna try to

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Speaker 1: get him on this podcast. I think they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: good if to me, the key is gonna be it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be Josh Allen if he takes a step, and

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Speaker 1: if Ed Oliver can be a productive rookie, I think

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Speaker 1: they can compete for seven, eight, nine wins somewhere in

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Speaker 1: that realm, depending on how kind of crazy Adam Gaze

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Speaker 1: and the Jets get it together. I think it's between

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Speaker 1: the Jets and the Bills, you know, kind of. I

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Speaker 1: think one of those two teams, if it all kind

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Speaker 1: of goes right, could compete for a wild card. I

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Speaker 1: don't have a great feel which one it will be.

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Speaker 1: I feel a little bit better about the coach in Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: but I like the quarterback more New York. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Jets don't have a GM right now. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of weird gaze around everything. The Bills are much more

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Speaker 1: put together. But again, I like the quarterback. Like I

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Speaker 1: I thought Josh Allen I would not have drafted in

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Speaker 1: the first round, and then I started following on social media,

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Speaker 1: following on Instagram. I love the guy. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: BFFs with Sam Donald. Just high level guys, type impressive

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Speaker 1: individual you'd want on your team. I just don't know

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Speaker 1: if he's consistent of passer. Now. Sometimes guys take huge steps,

778
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe he takes a big jump this off season.

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Speaker 1: I'm rooting for him, I really am. I want to

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Speaker 1: be wrong on that one. I will have a smile

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Speaker 1: on my face being wrong if Josh Allen becomes a

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Speaker 1: play or I just think history shows us that typically

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Speaker 1: guys that are inaccurate state inaccurate because I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's from a lack of trying. I think he's a

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Speaker 1: high He's just a high effort worker. It's not like

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Speaker 1: he's not putting in the time. Some guys are just

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Speaker 1: not accurate, and some guys are just naturally accurate. Kind

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Speaker 1: of an you know, I some coaches may argue with me,

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Speaker 1: but I think once you get to a certain point

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Speaker 1: in your life, it's just kind of an eight skill.

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Speaker 1: You either kind of have the touch or you don't.

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Speaker 1: Like you either can kind of hit a sandwedge or

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Speaker 1: you can't that there's touch involved in it. Now, some

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00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: guys like Josh has an enormous arm, could throw it,

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00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, as hard and as far as Mahomes. But

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00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: Mahomes can just make the basic throws consistently, and that's

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00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: kind of been the downfall of Josh Allen. But again

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Speaker 1: I'm rooting for him. I like the Bills. I actually

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Speaker 1: kind of intrigued with the the a f C. East.

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously the Patriots are always fun, but you

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Speaker 1: got the Bills, you got ros In the Dolphins, and

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Speaker 1: you got the and you got the Jets. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a pretty intriguing division. I'm actually kind of excited.

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Speaker 1: interact with me from throughout the day. Uh, I spend

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Speaker 1: a lot of time on social media. Not necessarily proud,

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Speaker 1: but the it's the it's the hand I was dealt

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Speaker 1: in life that you play on social media a lot

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Speaker 1: and UH try to get some more interviews coming up

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Speaker 1: the pipe. Hope you guys like that Drew Hill interview

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Speaker 1: last week from Oklahoma. I thought it was pretty cool.

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