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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Sielman back with us, professional clearing expert, teacher, author, psychic,

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Speaker 2: and exorcist. After serving in the United States Air Force.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Jeffrey. He studied metaphysical thought and philosophy during

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Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties. In nineteen eighty two, Jeffrey brought his

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Speaker 2: services to the public. Jeffrey Clear's Negative emotional Energy as

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Speaker 2: well as negative spirits from individuals, living environments, property, and businesses,

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Speaker 2: and also teaches individuals how to protect themselves from the

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Speaker 2: effects of negative emotional energy generated by living people, negative

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Speaker 2: and demonic spirits, and methods to keep ourselves, families, and

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Speaker 2: homes and businesses free and clear of accumulated negative emotional

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Speaker 2: energy from the past and present. And several of his

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Speaker 2: books include power Protection, Moving Energy. We're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about one of his latest works called Bad Spirits on

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Speaker 2: the Internet. Jeffrey, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Have you been George. I've been great. Thanks so much

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Speaker 3: for having me back on the show.

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Speaker 2: I cannot believe how bad it is out there with

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Speaker 2: negative energy, Jeffrey. But it's everywhere, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It's worse than ever, George. Last time we talked about this,

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Speaker 3: you know the same thing, and here we are, you know,

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Speaker 3: so much worse. People are not getting along, Countries are

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Speaker 3: not getting along, leaders are not getting along, Families are

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Speaker 3: breaking up. And this is all due to negative emotional

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Speaker 3: energy generated by people, and also negative spirits and demonic

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Speaker 3: spirits as well.

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Speaker 2: Let's point those out tonight and tell people how they

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Speaker 2: can cope with this and fight it off. To be sure,

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Speaker 2: how did you get involved in this a long time ago.

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Speaker 3: I was born with psychic ability. Psychic Ability is nothing

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Speaker 3: more than perception. We all have. Some are all very perceptive.

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Speaker 3: I had a lot of unusual experiences when I was

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Speaker 3: growing up. I was able to see spirits. I was

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Speaker 3: able to feel emotional energy around me in the classroom,

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Speaker 3: which made me kind of uncomfortable, and so I kind

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Speaker 3: of shut my mouth about it a little bit. It

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Speaker 3: was not real popular with the teachers at the time,

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Speaker 3: back in the nineteen sixties, and I was growing up,

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Speaker 3: and so during high school didn't mention it. Went into

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Speaker 3: the Air Force after high school, did not really mention

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Speaker 3: it at all to anybody. After I got out, the

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Speaker 3: psychic ability was running strong, and I started studying different

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Speaker 3: kinds of comparative religions, the nature of good and evil,

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Speaker 3: spirit communication, a lot of different kinds of concepts and ideas,

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Speaker 3: and I brought the whole thing to the public later on,

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Speaker 3: very early about nineteen ninety or so. When I brought

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Speaker 3: it to the public, I was involved with a group

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Speaker 3: A couple of them had some problems and they had

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Speaker 3: no way to say them. They asked me to do it,

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Speaker 3: and I solved them very quickly by going into their

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Speaker 3: living environments and clearing out some very negative emotional energy

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Speaker 3: and also negative spirits. They were so impressed. They said,

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Speaker 3: you know, Jeffrey, you got to take this to the public,

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Speaker 3: and I did. I started out with a small add

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Speaker 3: in the newspaper, and that led to an appearance on

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Speaker 3: the only television show that was on at the time

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Speaker 3: that dealt with psychic anything. It was called Sightings, and

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Speaker 3: I did a really interesting exorcism in a condominium where

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Speaker 3: three young ladies were having young professional women actually were

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Speaker 3: having terrible problems. They were seeing shadows behind their shower curtains,

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Speaker 3: waking up with indentations next to them in their beds,

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Speaker 3: and there's a three bedroom thing. All of them had

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Speaker 3: separate bedrooms. And so I did that and I was successful.

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Speaker 3: They let me the cameras, let me do my own thing,

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Speaker 3: became more well known. Did a lot of radio shows

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Speaker 3: to national TV shows, and a lot of clearings, George,

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Speaker 3: you know, a lot of clearings of people property and

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Speaker 3: also businesses. And here I am, all these years later

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Speaker 3: doing the same thing, except for now things are really bad.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Before it was kind of like once in a while

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Speaker 3: and now I'm doing this full time, and I have

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey. Have you ever been hurt emotionally or psychically by

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Speaker 2: some of these demonic forces.

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Speaker 3: It's a good question, George. I have, but it's always

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Speaker 3: been when I'm not working. When I'm working, I am

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Speaker 3: always looking out for it, and so my guard is up,

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Speaker 3: my defenses are up. But when I'm out and just

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Speaker 3: you know, having good time, I go to concerts. I'm

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Speaker 3: a music collector. I go to festivals. All this kind

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Speaker 2: Tell us about bad spirits on the Internet and how

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Speaker 2: did you key in on that bad.

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Speaker 3: Spirits on the Internet. I wrote just the last couple

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Speaker 3: of months. It's an essay about how negative emotional energies

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Speaker 3: affect every one of us when we're on the Internet,

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Speaker 3: and how these emotions energies can be amplified by other

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Speaker 3: living people, by different forces in the media, meaning just

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Speaker 3: things that we read and see and videos we see

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Speaker 3: on the internet news I'm talking about, but also negative

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Speaker 3: spirits and demonic spirits which have a vested interest in

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Speaker 3: amplifying our emotional energies, so we get angrier and angrier

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Speaker 3: at our fellow human beings, and bad spirits on the

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Speaker 3: some minds behind the minds our minds, that we're not

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Speaker 3: that we're not always alone when we're on the internet,

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Speaker 3: but sometimes we're being propelled by the anger of other people.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes are being propelled by the anger of negative spirits,

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Speaker 3: they can put a huge amount of emotional energy into

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Speaker 3: we're warring against each other. And bad spirits on the

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Speaker 3: We just have to know the techniques. We have to

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Speaker 3: know the science. I call it non physical science. Bad

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Speaker 3: spirits on the internet also goes into a little bit

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Speaker 3: about my personal history as well, just a small part

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Speaker 3: can be very enlightening but also very dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were talking last week with a study about

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Speaker 2: how social media has caused massive depression in young people.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I think that for some people it was their

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Speaker 3: don't know what is real and what is not real,

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Speaker 3: what people are saying, is it factual or is it

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Speaker 3: not factual? And so that's one problem right there, and

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Speaker 3: also being overwhelmed by information and communication from people that

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Speaker 3: But people kind of gather in these groups on the

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Speaker 3: party line of the telephone. George. You know, it's kind

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Speaker 3: of like we're just not quite used to the Internet yet.

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Speaker 3: It's still new technology. I was working for an Internet

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. It's really dangerous when you talk

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Speaker 2: about these bad spirits, are they literally inside or outside?

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Speaker 3: Essentially outside. There's such a thing as possession, and we

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like a good example would be if

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Speaker 3: And it's true, and so we feel these eyes boring

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Speaker 3: It's just it's just human nature. But also that some

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Speaker 3: they can focus in on people that are making important decisions.

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Speaker 3: with spirits. That spirits, they're not stupid. They're just us

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Speaker 3: when we don't have a physical body, and some of

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Speaker 3: them have bad intentions, and they love to be frivolous.

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Speaker 3: They love to the negative ones. Most spirits are good,

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Speaker 3: so negative spirits are extremely unhappy. Negative people are extremely unhappy,

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Speaker 3: even if they act happy, and they're throwing their rage

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Speaker 3: it's kind of like, how can they do that? We

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Speaker 2: I used to have a buddy who passed away a

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Speaker 2: he was just into that, and I kept telling him, John,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? I think that the human race generally, I'm speaking generally,

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Speaker 3: of big change right now, George, and we are as

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Speaker 2: How can you use the internet, Jeffrey without being bombarded

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Speaker 3: There's only one way to do a charge, and that

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Speaker 3: It doesn't stop anybody from understanding what they're seeing or anything.

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Speaker 3: But the way to really stop it all is to

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Speaker 2: Now, most people use the Internet, but if you don't,

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Speaker 3: Certainly. Negative spirits don't care about the Internet as far

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Speaker 3: one of these psychics that's a little bit different. I

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