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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where this draft has an appropriate

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Speaker 1: level of pop. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris

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Speaker 1: Westling podcast studio alongside my friend Jordan Rodrigue of The

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Speaker 1: Athletic for the last time before the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft. We have almost made it.

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Speaker 2: Jordan, We're almost there. Thank god.

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Speaker 1: I was worried this whole time. Does this draft have

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Speaker 1: enough pop?

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Speaker 3: Is?

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Speaker 1: Is it as good as some of the previous drafts.

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Speaker 1: I think the answer is no, It's like a little

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Speaker 1: less than most. And yet because I've studied it so

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Speaker 1: much and I feel like I've been more into this

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Speaker 1: draft and that there's more good players, like in the

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Speaker 1: top forty, let's say it's still going to be like

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Speaker 1: a good draft, but we can be honest about it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not as much pop as some others.

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Speaker 2: I think it'll be a solid meat and potatoes draft.

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Speaker 2: I said this, I believe last week on our christ

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Speaker 2: You Next Tuesday crew, where some of the receivers that

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Speaker 2: you can get in the second and third round in

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Speaker 2: this draft, even late first some of the quarterbacks that

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Speaker 2: are gonna maybe not be you know, the flashiest or

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Speaker 2: have that pop, that top ten pop you know there

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Speaker 2: they could still be good pros. You're gonna get a

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Speaker 2: lot of d tackles in this draft that are solid.

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Speaker 2: You got some really spicy offensive linemen in this draft.

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Speaker 2: To meat and potatoes.

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Speaker 1: The top ten of the second round, for instance, I

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Speaker 1: think is gonna be more exciting and better players than

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Speaker 1: any top of the second round. I can remember over

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Speaker 1: the last handful of years when I did this exercise.

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Speaker 1: We're about to do a mock draft. It is the

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Speaker 1: second mock draft we've done on NFL Daily this season.

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Speaker 1: We did one with with Nate Tice. That was what

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Speaker 1: we would do if we were those teams drafting. This

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Speaker 1: is what we think is gonna happen. So this is

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Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on us as a tandem because

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Speaker 1: people keep score of this stuff. We're doing this. We're

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Speaker 1: taping this on Tuesday after noon, East Coast time. But

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Speaker 1: you know, not too like early in the process. There's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of news.

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Speaker 2: That come trades that happened yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not doing any trades, but we're going to

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Speaker 1: try to get it right. So this is a big

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Speaker 1: test for us. So we don't care about the consensus

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Speaker 1: board anymore. We're the stinking consensus board.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've already veered from the premise you texted me,

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Speaker 2: I think that this is what we think teams are

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Speaker 2: gonna do. I'm gonna sure remind you of this several times, Greg,

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Speaker 2: because I know, as you start to make a case

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Speaker 2: and start to get you know, wandering eyes for a

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Speaker 2: couple of different prospects yet a couple of different pickpoints,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna want a team to do something. No, and

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Speaker 2: it's got to be what you think.

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Speaker 1: No, we're seeing what we think they're gonna do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed. I'm just ready to remind you that's all.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's important to remember the consensus is

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Speaker 1: always so off that if a guy gets ten right

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Speaker 1: out of thirty two, and most of these mock drafts

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Speaker 1: that are out there, there's a lot of a green

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Speaker 1: because it's based off of similar information and for the

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Speaker 1: most part, if you bat three thirty three, that's considered great.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not too worried about what the consensus picks.

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Speaker 1: We should like think about it logically, what would make sense.

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Speaker 1: So let's just get going. First on the clock, the

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 2: I wonder who it could be.

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Speaker 1: Look, we got the official chimes.

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Speaker 2: I know, I love it.

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Speaker 1: It made me feel I don't think we can save

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Speaker 1: time later because I think this. I don't want this

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Speaker 1: show to go too too long by just saying cam word,

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Speaker 1: we don't need to go into it more into the

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Speaker 1: logic of it all. Yeah, we've been through it all.

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Speaker 2: It is all but written on the card at this point.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, as I've said, I think his floor is

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Speaker 1: It's it's the Browns. And again I don't want any

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Speaker 2: I know. And it's interesting you're starting to see little

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Speaker 2: tendrils being placed out and about this this time of

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Speaker 2: the week, about the Browns and the Giants receiving calls,

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Speaker 2: receiving interest. And that's a former great NFL network host

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Speaker 2: and reporter, Peter Schrager, who's now with you, yeah, and

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Speaker 2: sign that says, hey open for business. If the business

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Speaker 2: without even saying Travis hunters right.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm not worried about us, you know, scoring high,

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Speaker 1: We're assuming the Browns stick and pick. We're assuming every

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Speaker 1: as the process went along, it seems so logical. That

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Speaker 1: does give me hope though, that we can have Will

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Speaker 2: And what else? Right?

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Speaker 1: And I want a fun trade, and heck I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: I'd be I'd love it if my Patriots traded up

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Speaker 1: draft starts at four, but let's at least have the

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Speaker 1: conversation with the Giants. Abdul Carter, the edge really considered

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Speaker 1: But we talked about on our last show at Josh

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Speaker 2: I want to think about the misery of mister Mara

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Speaker 2: hard Knocks on his face. John Mora watching all year,

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Speaker 2: say Kwan Berkley, the guy that they drafted real high

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna happen. That's why I'm not

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Speaker 2: picking it. But just think about think about it. One

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Speaker 2: of my colleagues pointed this out, and this is so true.

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Speaker 2: the owner gets involved.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the reporting is that he has. He's tried not to,

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Speaker 2: But but he didn't get involved and he let's say,

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Speaker 1: Okay, but let's do it.

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Speaker 2: But I want to say how exciting that would be.

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Speaker 1: It would be absolutely amazing. And we're not allowed to

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Speaker 1: the NFL. I think the draft, in terms of people

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Speaker 1: bet on because, for instance, like a handful of days ago,

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Speaker 1: that there's a realistic possibility that Shoulder falls enough that

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Speaker 1: the Giants feel like there's two elite prospects in this class,

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Speaker 1: Hunter and Carter, they get one of them, and that

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to present a few players for you

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Speaker 2: I feel like it would be really poetic for Mike

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Speaker 2: Rabel with his history, to take Campbell honestly and that

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Speaker 2: Membo and Campbell. Those are my two picks for the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: But I want to throw out another name, and I

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Speaker 2: he's dealing with the injury. What about Josh Simmons at four?

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Speaker 2: At four, I mean, if you like the guy, and

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Speaker 2: remember Mike Rabel spent a lot of time with Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: He did the other thing he said, and these were

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Speaker 1: Man, I also think genty at four makes whatever the

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Speaker 3: By saying Membo or Campbell where you're picked, right, that's

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Speaker 1: Okay, a note is made, but the New England Patriots

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Speaker 2: Okay four? I will you know how I am with

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Speaker 2: these things where I'm just like, ooh, you know what, Greg,

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Speaker 1: There's no one out there doing it like we're doing it,

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Speaker 1: where it's two people that have to agree. And that's

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Speaker 1: why I will kind of go to you and your expertise.

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Speaker 1: You just wrote a great feature on The Athletic about

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars GM James Gladstone. We've talked about him a

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Speaker 1: we don't know need to go too deep into Gladstone specifically,

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Speaker 2: I think they'll be really serious about best player available

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Speaker 2: and Ashton Genty is one of them. I could see

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Speaker 2: one thing that's given me pause is knowing James. I

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Speaker 2: would think that he would really want to go offensive

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Speaker 2: and I think a guy like Ashton Janty really makes

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Speaker 2: I will note Tony Bisselli was their first pick of

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Speaker 2: There could be some poetry there if they go offensive line,

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Speaker 2: but I do think it's going to be gent.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So because in this scenario, Will Campbell is there,

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Speaker 2: Oh and the Rams. Former Rams people don't care about

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Speaker 2: arm length, So there you go. That helps, so that's

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Speaker 1: That helps. Now they do, in theory have their tackle

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Speaker 1: let's go with the Jaguars and Gent if you I

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Speaker 1: gave you that pick because I agreed with you anyways,

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Speaker 2: You agreed with me anyways.

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Speaker 1: I think these are all extremely unpredictable. I don't think

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Speaker 1: Them possibility there. I don't have a strong take because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they really are a pass rush

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Speaker 1: There's no way to know see from this point through

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Speaker 2: going to do. I think they're going to trade back

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Speaker 2: out of this pick unless some transcendent player that we've

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Speaker 2: John Spytech's going to use that to stockpile picks in

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Speaker 2: good offensive linemen and also pick up another receiver. I

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Speaker 2: would not be surprised to see them go receiver this

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Speaker 1: I hear you on the trade back. It's easier said

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Speaker 1: trying to do that, because, yeah, they traded that Gino

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Speaker 2: And I think that a couple of teams that are

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Speaker 2: actually trade with each other, but also the Saints for example,

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Speaker 2: There are going to be some really good tight ends

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Speaker 1: Okay, so did we we have to stick? Though? You

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Speaker 1: The Raiders select Jalen Walker. I think it's a good pick.

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Speaker 1: I'm liking how this Mack is going. The Jets are

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Speaker 2: Use I'm gonna put Campbell for them.

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Speaker 1: Really, I just don't think, like, where's he going to play?

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Speaker 1: They have a pretty good offensive line to me, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I'm just not convinced. We don't know what that

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Speaker 1: Like a like a creative run first offense.

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Speaker 2: That's why you want Colston Loveland because he blocks his

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Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna be a good blocker. And it's

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Speaker 1: And they have a chasm after Garrett Wilson to who

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Speaker 1: Let's go Colston Loveland seventh overall, pick little spicy. There

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Speaker 2: Tight end in the top ten. What could go wrong?

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Speaker 1: And so we've had a couple guys fall.

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Speaker 2: I know we have. I'm getting I'm getting regrouped here.

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Speaker 1: Will Campbell is still on the board, Tyler Warren is

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And in mocking by the way and mocking him

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Speaker 1: There have if you put Campbell, Yeah, but Lovelan's there.

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Speaker 1: He's locked in. So we have the Panthers, one of

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Speaker 2: If they're in a great position. By the way, the.

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Speaker 1: Board fell this way. So I listened to Josh Norris,

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Speaker 1: is probably my top guy who could go higher than

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Speaker 1: anyone else thinks. And I think you know the Rangey.

438
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Speaker 1: I don't love his tape. I went back to his

439
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 1: junior tape too, or his twenty twenty three tape to

440
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,439
Speaker 1: see what people like to I don't totally see it,

441
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 1: but he could be a surprise pick that is just

442
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 1: copying Josh Norris, I admit it, but I think that's

443
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Speaker 1: a good person to copy, or one of these other

444
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Speaker 1: guys who who are very high on a lot of

445
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Speaker 1: consensus sports, Campbell, Warren or Graham. I'll kind of I'll

446
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Speaker 1: see the Florida you.

447
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Speaker 2: I don't really well Dan Morgan, the former linebacker their GM.

448
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 2: They really Shaq Thompson is no longer on the YA.

449
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Speaker 2: Obviously they parted with Frankie Luvu, the one of the

450
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Speaker 2: favorite players of NFL Daily before last season. And I

451
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Speaker 2: wonder if John Campbell's a fit here.

452
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Speaker 1: He absolutely would be another one to throw out there.

453
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Speaker 2: That's who between him and Michael Waie, Michael Michael Williams,

454
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Speaker 2: I think I would want to pick Campbell for the Panthers.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go Jahad Campbell going early in this class.

456
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Speaker 2: I think he's probably one of those elite special players

457
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Speaker 2: in this draft class.

458
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Speaker 1: And he's hurt and he might not be ready for

459
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Speaker 1: the start of the season, which is always a concern,

460
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Speaker 1: But in this class, I think you're just going to

461
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Speaker 1: take your favorite players.

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Speaker 2: So and the Panthers are not in a huge rush

463
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Speaker 2: to like they need to. They need to methodically rebuild

464
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 2: this defense. You have to have the right people, the

465
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Speaker 2: right players. He seemed. He just seems to be a

466
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Speaker 2: perfect fit to really be an anchor, a stalwart, a

467
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Speaker 2: potential captain in this defense that has to be overhauled

468
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Speaker 2: the way that it has.

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Speaker 1: I love him. If they do take Michael Williams, just

470
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Speaker 1: know I believed in you, Josh Jordan did. Let's must

471
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Speaker 1: I would have I would have gone just I would

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Speaker 1: have just copied with Josh.

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Speaker 2: I know, actually I know, Josh, you're listening to this

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Speaker 2: because your mock draft will probably be one of the

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Speaker 2: most accurate of all time, which Greg got wrong, even

476
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Speaker 2: though I reminded Greg that it was at all time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Saints, this is though, this is the pick that's

478
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Speaker 1: I've thought about for the last twenty four Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: I want to let you cook on this one here, Greg,

480
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Speaker 2: let's talk about it.

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Speaker 1: This whole time. I thought the Saints that that Shador

482
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Speaker 1: Sanders was the floor, okay, and it was kind of

483
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Speaker 1: going that direction. Then that there car news happens and

484
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Speaker 1: you hear some things of like maybe the Saints weren't

485
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Speaker 1: even like thrilled that that you know that Okay, now

486
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Speaker 1: everyone knows that we're in on quarterbacks even more that

487
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Speaker 1: it's so funny to think about the evolution of this

488
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Speaker 1: stuff because literally, only a week ago at this time,

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Speaker 1: everyone's like, actually, you know, the Saints are pretty in

490
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Speaker 1: on quarterbacks, and now cut to one week later, everyone's like, actually,

491
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Speaker 1: the Saints are not in at all on Shouldar Sanders.

492
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Speaker 1: Jeff Duncan, they're longtime reporters, so good says. One thing

493
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Speaker 1: I can say confidently is like they're not taking Shuldar Standers.

494
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Speaker 1: Everyone suddenly come out and said like, actually, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem like the Saints are going to be in on

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Speaker 1: Shouldar Sanders, and people are projecting, Okay, his his spot

497
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Speaker 1: then would be with the Steelers, most likely his neck spot.

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Speaker 1: Actually that it's possible if a team doesn't trade up

499
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Speaker 1: for him, and I do want to be contrarion, I

500
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Speaker 1: guess here and be like, doesn't it make sense for

501
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Speaker 1: them to take Shuldar Sanders after all this? Now I

502
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: know my friend Adam would probably disagree with me here,

503
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Speaker 1: because if Mason Graham fell to them. That's a player

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Speaker 1: I think they would be very interested in, and that's

505
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Speaker 1: a great value. Could they try to take Mason Graham

506
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Speaker 1: here and then come back up for Shular Sanders? Sure

507
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Speaker 1: that that's possible, And so I'm really struggling with it

508
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Speaker 1: because all of a sudden, the consensus is that, no,

509
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Speaker 1: the Saints aren't going to take Shuitdar Sanders at nine.

510
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Speaker 1: And yet I think it makes a lot of sense

511
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Speaker 1: on a lot of levels. And I think you would

512
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: make sense with Kellen Moore, and I think it could

513
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Speaker 1: give them a little bit of a life raft into

514
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Speaker 1: the future, like a little bit of a hope a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: The thing that I do also pause on is there

516
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: are two other quarterbacks who I do think make sense

517
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Speaker 2: with Kellen Moore in terms of that sort of pop

518
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Speaker 2: gun passing that he likes to do, and that's Shuck

519
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: Tyler Shuck and Kyle McCord. And he'll be available pretty

520
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: late late down the line here. So that's where I'm like, Okay, now,

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Speaker 2: Saints Block Party podcast just sent me a hat, so

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with LAMB and they're saying.

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Speaker 1: On this sent me yea too.

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Speaker 2: It's nice I like it a lot, and I love hats.

525
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Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a hat. Fisher's Adam taught me the phrase,

526
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Speaker 2: and so I am going to go with whatever they say.

527
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Speaker 2: I's so fact I'm going to go with whatever you're

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Speaker 2: saying on this, Well, I'm not You're gonna have to

529
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Speaker 2: make the decision.

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Speaker 1: I want to put Sanders to the Saints just because

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Speaker 1: I feel like he's not gonna land there on any

532
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Speaker 1: mocks in the end or almost any and I just

533
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Speaker 1: think there's a greater chance of that happening just because

534
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Speaker 1: it makes too much sense. And I'm going to give

535
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Speaker 1: the Saints too much credit and say that this is

536
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Speaker 1: all misdirection, that all this coming out after everyone thought

537
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Speaker 1: that they were going to take quarterback was misdirection, and

538
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Speaker 1: that in the end they were in on Sanders. I

539
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: could totally see an option where in this scenario where

540
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Speaker 1: they do take Graham and then they come back up

541
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Speaker 1: for Sanders and then everyone's really happy, kind of like

542
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: I talked about with the Giants, and they're a team

543
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Speaker 1: that would be aggressive enough to try to make that happen.

544
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Speaker 1: But ultimately I'm leaning I'm leading Shitar Sanders have some fun.

545
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Speaker 2: I'm also not totally out on offensive line for them.

546
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Speaker 2: It doesn't make me feel great that Will Campbell and

547
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 2: Josh Simmons are dropping the way that they are.

548
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Simmons is to be fair consensus board thirty,

549
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Speaker 1: you know, twenty four right now, and that's that's been rising.

550
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Speaker 2: I don't because of the injury. It is totally because

551
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Speaker 2: of the injury, because you know, no sample size. Daniel

552
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Speaker 2: Jeremiah said this. Dane Brugler has said this, if he

553
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 2: was able to play a full season, he'd probably be

554
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Speaker 2: a top five.

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Speaker 1: Pick, unless unless his play decline. Because this is all

556
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Speaker 1: based on.

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Speaker 2: Like coupution, so is the draft. No.

558
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Speaker 1: I know, but it's a little different when you're doing

559
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Speaker 1: it off like four start.

560
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Speaker 2: I just don't like that Lsu Lineman is falling and

561
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Speaker 2: we're talking about the Saints at nine fair.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's take one more pick and then we'll

563
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Speaker 1: take a break. The Chicago Bears that are a pick

564
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Speaker 1: put it on. Let's say at the chime, the Saints

565
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: are taking Shador Sanders. I don't care if we're wrong,

566
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Speaker 1: I just we're doing it. The Bears are up in

567
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: what everyone is going to be like if this happened, like, oh,

568
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: what great value because you get so convinced that the

569
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Speaker 1: consensus was right, and then people are so happy when

570
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Speaker 1: people stop the slide, when the consensus doesn't really know

571
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Speaker 1: who's good or bad. I don't have a hot take here,

572
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: but they have a lot of good options.

573
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Speaker 2: I have Campbell have a hot take here.

574
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Speaker 1: Mason Graham is a good one, and Tyler Warren is

575
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Speaker 1: a good one. Where do you go?

576
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: The Bears are taking Tyler Warren, Wow Warren with Ben Johnson, and.

577
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: So Graham and Campbell slide out of their top.

578
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Speaker 2: Ten, which, to be fair and to be clear, I

579
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 2: don't think will actually happen, because I do think. I

580
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: do not think that the Saints are going to take

581
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Speaker 2: me personally. I don't think the Saints are going to

582
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: take a quarterback at nine. I think they could still

583
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: end up with Shador if they trade back. But I

584
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: think that one of at least one of these two

585
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: offensive linemen, if not three offensive linemen, go in the

586
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: top twelve. However, we're going with what we think the

587
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: teams are going to do, and Ben Johnson and Tyler

588
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: Warren to me is an absolute match made in heaven

589
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: because he will have a vision and a design for

590
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: how to best maximize Tyler Warren. And I really think

591
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 2: that we're going to be This is gonna be one

592
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 2: of those scenarios where three years from now, we're like,

593
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: how the hell did the rest of the league let

594
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson get his hands on Tyler Warren?

595
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: Wow? And that would in this scenario have two tight

596
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: ends go in the top ten. The Bears of course

597
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: have a useful tight end in Cole Comette, although he

598
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: might not be long for the Bears. And in this scenario,

599
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you would stay on the team.

600
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: No way that Ben Johnson has also used to Pine

601
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 2: Sewel in the past, the way that Ben Johnson has

602
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: worked with some of the multiple tight end packages, Like,

603
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: I don't think having Cole Comet, I don't think. I

604
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: don't even think even if he had a stud tight

605
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: end already on the roster, I don't wouldn't think that

606
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: it would prohibit Ben Johnson from really looking hard at

607
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 2: Tyler Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is why doing this together like you should have

609
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: should have a consistent logic throughout of how you're seeing

610
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: these different teams and players. But instead we're kind of

611
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: going back and forth and I think that's gonna somehow

612
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: work out to be the best mock draft ever, because

613
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: if I think it would make more sense to take

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Speaker 1: this is where I would stop the slide of Will Campbell.

615
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: I think they would see him as a guard that

616
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: could potentially play left tackle and start.

617
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Speaker 2: It'd be a great pick.

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Speaker 1: Start there entire regime with an offensive lineman, which just

619
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. But we're gonna go with

620
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: Jordan's pick here, and I think it makes a lot

621
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Speaker 1: of sense as well. With a tenth pick, the Bear

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Speaker 1: select Tyler Warren. All right, we are through the top ten.

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Speaker 1: We are going to take a quick break, and we

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Speaker 1: will be back with the rest of the picks after

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Speaker 1: this back on NFL Daily. I love this show.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna be mad at uh.

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Speaker 1: Nobody is to be mad that we're the only mock

628
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Speaker 1: draft in the country that did not put Will Campbell

629
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Speaker 1: or Mason Graham in the top ten.

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Speaker 2: Whoops?

631
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Speaker 1: Do the forty nine ers stop the slide of either

632
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: one of those players. It's interesting because I think of

633
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: them as a team that is all about traits on

634
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: the defensive line. I'm really thinking defensive line for them,

635
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: and yet you know, they have two real value plays there.

636
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: Before it fell like this, I was thinking guys like

637
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: Michael Williams if he was available, and he is actually

638
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: Shamar Stewart. I forgot that we didn't put him to

639
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: the Panthers. Shamar Stewart is a possibility. Walter Nolan like

640
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: these really trades. He guys who I think could go

641
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: higher than people think. But in this scenario, Graham and

642
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: Campbell are both there. Both also kind of makes sense

643
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: for them. What do you think between all those guys,

644
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: Mike Green would be another possibility, the Louisville pass rusher.

645
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think because Robert Saala is back there as DC,

646
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: they could go inside to outside here, So I think

647
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: Graham would be the right pick for them.

648
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: They certainly need a lot of defensive help, especially on

649
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: the line inside and outside. I kind of think they

650
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: sneak you need an offensive lineman too, and Campbell, who knows,

651
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: maybe could develop and become a left tackle there for

652
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: the future. But let's go Mason Graham with the eleventh

653
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: overall pick. A guy that gets to the past. I

654
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: love that with the best defensive line coach in the league, perhaps,

655
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: although not as much talent there as we used to.

656
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: All right, we're to pick twelve. The Dallas Cowboys are

657
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: up their local guy, Brian Brotus, who I think does

658
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: an awesome job covering the team. Check out his sub stack.

659
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: He does some podcasts. I think they are looking at

660
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: what everyone's thinking they're looking at, which is wide receiver.

661
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: In this scenario, Teed McMillan is still available. Again. Will

662
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: Campbell like, I'm going to keep mentioning them until he

663
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: gets taken. They're not a crazy Will Campbell team, but

664
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: they they do have Tyler Smith is more of a

665
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: left guard if you saw him as a left tackle,

666
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: that's possible. Matthew Golden is another possible pick here, Daniel

667
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: Jeremiah's number one local guy at Texas. I lean tet.

668
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: Eilean Golden actually because I think Matthew Golden compliments CD

669
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: Lamb pretty well.

670
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: I think they both do well.

671
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think they both do. But I

672
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: also think that, you know, it's it just kind of

673
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: I think it's a matter of preference. Who you're one

674
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: two is for me mine. I tend to agree with

675
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: DJ on this. I go Matthew I do.

676
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: Too, but I put Tet to the Cowboys I guess

677
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: I would just to me, Golden maybe is like a

678
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a much lesser version of CD, but

679
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: the kind of the jack of all trades can do

680
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: it all, move him all around, separate, whereas Ted is

681
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: that clear outside guy, which to me makes force and brotus.

682
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm just leaning towards the local guy who I trust

683
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: the most, and he's been saying he really thinks Tet

684
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: is the pick.

685
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 2: So let's go with what he says. Then I love

686
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: a local beat writer, shout out.

687
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: Okay, we will go Teed McMillan t mac. He wants

688
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: to be called t mac, so I gotta start call

689
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: him a t mac at twelve. All right, let's just

690
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: stop the slide. We can be quick on this. If

691
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: Will Campbell falls to the the Dolphins, I don't think

692
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: there's any that's a no brainer. I don't think there's any.

693
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: Cun that's a no brainer. And also, Miami needs everything.

694
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: Yes they really do, but they really need interior offensive line.

695
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: I guess he could say that they have Patrick Paul

696
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: at left tackle or whatever, and that's fine. Then you

697
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: start Campbell at left guard. It doesn't matter.

698
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: Let's take this could also be a sneaky moment to

699
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: watch for potential Jalen Ramsey trade as well.

700
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: Yes, good call, and like I think they could be

701
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: in on today Baron here or Will Johnson. We didn't

702
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: really mention it, but I think they were a little heartbroken.

703
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: They lost Kaleis Campbell, so they suddenly lost Toron Armstead

704
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: and Kalays Camball. I think they thought they were getting

705
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: Campbell back. They could be a Ken Grant team too.

706
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna get He's another one of those

707
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: guys that if I was a betting man, I would

708
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: go on the he's gonna get taken earlier than whatever

709
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: the contensus is. And I think this is his first

710
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: spot where it's pretty realistic that he could go. But

711
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: let's go Will Campbell because of how this board fell.

712
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: Now the Colts are up, and in most drafts they

713
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: mox they take a tight end, but we had our

714
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: tight ends go very early. Michael Williams is there. They

715
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: do like toolsy trait se guys. I think they could

716
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 1: definitely use a pass rusher. I think they could take

717
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman. This could be the first spot where

718
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: you see a Gray Zable, their GM said on Tuesday,

719
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: that hey, yeah, we're going to be wanting to take

720
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: a pass catching tight end at some point, which set

721
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: off my alarm bells that he doesn't want one in

722
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: the first round, Like why would he say that at

723
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: some point? Like no, but just why would he say

724
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: that publicly? That, Like we're trying to let people think

725
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: that we're taking a It felt very Pete Carroll talking

726
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: about ash and Genty to me, where it was almost

727
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: too obvious that he was trying to make people think

728
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: he's doing that when they're actually not.

729
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: I think that there Josh Norris mentioned this. I think

730
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: they could be potentially looking to trade for a tight

731
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 2: end as well. I mean Dallas Goddard potentially being available.

732
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 2: They do need one, and that's why it's been such

733
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: a popular mock to them, but they kind of They

734
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: also are one of those teams that needs a lot

735
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: of help in a lot of different areas as well.

736
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: I think they are going to look at at linemen.

737
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: They are big on athletic traits more probably more than

738
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: any team in the entire NFL, and so with the

739
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: players available here that they could take, gray 's abel

740
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense tested off the charts, and

741
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: then Mikel Williams. I keep I'm going to keep mentioning

742
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: because I do think the idea that he's going to

743
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: go a little earlier than people think makes sense to me.

744
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: He's also twenty. He's also only twenty, so that's also

745
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: another reason why I think he's going to go much

746
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: the trades guy.

747
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: So I'd like to go Zabel or Michael Williams. I'll

748
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: let you make the choice.

749
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Michael Williams, but I want to This

750
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: is a little, maybe potentially newsy nugget. I do think

751
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: Gray's Abel's gonna go higher than a lot of people

752
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: think he is.

753
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's another one, and I would expect that number

754
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: to move up in the next couple of days. But

755
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: we're taking Mikel Williams for the Colts, and I think

756
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: this is where his draft sort of starts, Miami and Indianapolis.

757
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: It wouldn't shock me if he goes to either one

758
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: of those teams. All right, the Falcons are up. We

759
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: just took a pass rusher off the board.

760
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: Derek Carmon really yeah, feel strong terrier guy. Raheem Morris

761
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: was really high on some previous Oregon players got a

762
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 2: really long look at him back when he was working

763
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: with the Scouts in Los Angeles, and obviously with you know,

764
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: no Grady Jarrett anymore, you're really looking at somebody who's

765
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: going to be a long time sort of stalwart in

766
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: the middle. And I think Derek Carmon has all the tools,

767
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: all the traits. He's you know, he's consistent, he's always

768
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: around the quarterback. I think that that's that would be an

769
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: important pick for them.

770
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: Okay, let's just roll with that one. She's feeling strong

771
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: on this one. I think if we're feeling hot on

772
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: some of them, let's do it. They could certainly take

773
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: a cornerback there. Cornerbacks have fallen in this class. Yeah,

774
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: Now that's not shocking because to me, this cornerback class

775
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: probably not as good at the top as last year's

776
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: and last year's no one see a run right now,

777
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 1: no one went in the top twenty. Now that said,

778
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 1: it wouldn't shock me if they took a cornerback there.

779
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: Wouldn't shock me if they took Walter Nolan there. Because

780
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: I've heard, you know, Albert Berer is reporting the forty

781
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 1: nine ers are strongly considering him at eleven. He's another guy.

782
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 1: If you've listened over the last week to me, he could.

783
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: I think some teams will have him as the number

784
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: two defensive player on this board behind Travis Hunt. I

785
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: just think some teams are going to see major upside.

786
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: He's not going to slip too far, which makes him

787
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: a candidate for the Cardinals because they need everything. They

788
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: could certainly use a defensive tackle. I like Johdd Campbell

789
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: to them, but he's already taken. I like Will Johnson

790
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: to them. I like Jday Baron to them. Between Will Johnson,

791
00:36:54,680 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: Jday Baron and who did I just say, my guy,

792
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: Walter Nolan. I think all of them makes sense.

793
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 2: I do too, and I kind of want to think

794
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: too about what this defense is emerging into. They went

795
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: from like the walk around defense. I think Patrick Claiban

796
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: called them the search bar, which is what was a

797
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: great nickname. But they they're malleable, they're fluid. Sometimes they

798
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 2: play with the three safety looks. They like to do

799
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: different things with some of those shells that we've seen

800
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: people come out of the Fangio tree doing. With Jonathan Gannon,

801
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: I would imagine that the pick here is defense, but

802
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: I would say I'd look at maybe a corner for

803
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: them here, like a Will Johnson.

804
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'll I'm gonna maybe have him take

805
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: Nolan and what we're going to just be spicy throughout.

806
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: I'll push in here. Although I'm torn, I like the

807
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: idea Will Johnson as well. The one thing I would

808
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: say about their secondary because I've heard people talk about

809
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: and I do think it is neat, but I do

810
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: think it's a lot better than people realize. I don't

811
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: think people think of Max Melton and Garrett Williams as

812
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,479
Speaker 1: core young pieces, and they absolutely are. That's a second

813
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: round pick from last year, Max Meltin, who showed a

814
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: lot at the end of last year, and Garrett Williams,

815
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 1: who is one of the better young nickelbacks in the league.

816
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: And I know Cardinals fans are out there, I think

817
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: screaming at some of the national guys saying how thin

818
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: their secondary. So you have those two guys, you have

819
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, doesn't mean they don't need another cornerback though

820
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: they're pretty thin after those two spots, so you need

821
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: a third corner. Will Johnson does make a lot of

822
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: sense there. Man, Did I just talk myself out of

823
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: Walter Nolan, who I kind of want him to go

824
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: early in this mock to represent that. I think he

825
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: will go earlier, but he hasn't made perfect sense yet.

826
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: And I actually convince myself, and your argument about Will

827
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: Johnson convinced me as I went through it, like, Yeah,

828
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: they have a good secondary, but you need even.

829
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: More plays always make it better.

830
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: Let's go Will Johnson.

831
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: Kalais Campbell back with the Arizona Cardinals.

832
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: By the way, love that that pick up by them. Okay,

833
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: the Bengals are here, and you've heard some Harmon to them,

834
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: but he's off the board. You've heard some Johad Campbell

835
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: to them, but he's off the board. So I don't

836
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: think it's fallen exactly how they want. I think this

837
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: is a spot where you would think about Calvin Banks,

838
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: the tackle from Texas, kind of fits the profile of

839
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: the type of teams they like to draft. I think

840
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: they need to get better on the offensive line. I

841
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: think they could be a potential Walter Nolan team. I

842
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: think I might want to just stick them here.

843
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: What do you feel do you want to Greg or

844
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: per our argument at the top. Do you think the

845
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals will.

846
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: So they have I knowing that the reporting around them

847
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: is defensive tackle, they were in linebacker. I don't think

848
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: if Johad Campbell's there, there is another linebacker that you

849
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: even think about. I do think they take Tracy Toolsy

850
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: guys from big programs. Do we count All miss as

851
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: a big program?

852
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: Now?

853
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: I think so? An SEC school who that like they

854
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: really draft out of those schools. So to me, he's

855
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: a better version of Harmon. They might not have seen

856
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: it that way, but I do think that he would

857
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: be in that same tier that if that's a guy

858
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: that they were looking at, would make sense. But Kelvin

859
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: Banks could also make sense.

860
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: It might. I feel like that Mike Green in terms

861
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: of tools and explosiveness, really makes sense to the Bengals

862
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: in my mind, especially as this situation with Trey Hendrickson

863
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: remains very fluid. And in my opinion, they are an

864
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: organization that will think they've already done what they need

865
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: to do on the offensive side by getting those receivers

866
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: taken care of, right or wrong, I believe that's what

867
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: they'll think, and they really need to address the defense.

868
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: You don't fire a coach and then don't and then

869
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: not give the new guy anybody to work with to

870
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: improve that defense.

871
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: So they seem like a team that would not care

872
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: about Mike Green's off field correct concerns. It does make sense.

873
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: I could see Mike Green falling in this draft because

874
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: he's a unique prospect in terms of the level of

875
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: play that he was at at Marshall, how he wins.

876
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: Is that kind of translate, and then the off field

877
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: stuff that he could go anywhere from like the middle

878
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: of the first round like this to just falling out

879
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: of the first round. It wouldn't surprise me. But you

880
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: made a compelling argument. Let's go Mike Green, Cincinnati Bengals. Okay,

881
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: part of that is I was thinking about our next pick, and.

882
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: We got you distracted thinking about the Seahawks.

883
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the offensive lineman that will be

884
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: available to them there. Tyler Booker as a guard is

885
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: certainly an option, But now that Kelvin Banks fell to them,

886
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: I do think that they would I think he's going

887
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: to go in the end pretty high. I think Tyler

888
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: Booker is going to go pretty high too, So I

889
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: think it'll be between one of those two. But they

890
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: certainly could use a right tackle if that's where they

891
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: want to put Kelvin Banks. They could put him at

892
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 1: left tackle. Are they going to sign Charles Cross long term?

893
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: I think they will, but Banks could also be a

894
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: guard at the next level. Either way, they need to

895
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: improve the offensive line, so I think it's one of

896
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: those two guys.

897
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: I would not roll out a long look at Gray's Abel.

898
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, that's it. It slipped my mind that he

899
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: was available. That's it. That's the pick. Graz abel Man.

900
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: Seahawks fans would be excited about that. Like a toolsy,

901
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: high upside guy with position flexibility. Probably starts out as

902
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: a guard a lot of teams. I didn't see his

903
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: best position at guard. He could play as a center,

904
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: but you just don't know. So that's something where you

905
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: get him in the building, you figure it out. Let's

906
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: go to the Bucks at number nineteen.

907
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: I would have loved Johd Campbell and this Todd Bowles defense.

908
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 2: By the way, but he's already gone.

909
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: He has gone. My guy, Nolan, I'm just going to

910
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: keep mentioning him is a possibility. Matthew Golden still hasn't

911
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: been taken, and I think the Seahawks would have considered

912
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: him at number eighteen. Certainly the Bucks probably not considering

913
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: him him at number nineteen. I think running back could

914
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: be a surprise here. When I saw that Adam Schefter

915
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: wrote that Rashad White is available for a possible trade,

916
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: I thought, Hm, that's interesting. They seem like a running

917
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: back team now, but it could be a later running

918
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: back team. You have Bucky Irving already in place, as

919
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: Iraku has been a popular pick to them. That's probably

920
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 1: where I lean for them. I think he's a unique

921
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: pass rusher they need one. I think it's a bit

922
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: of a fall at the edge position after him personally,

923
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: and maybe they would see it that way that they

924
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: don't want to wait all the way till the end

925
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: of round two.

926
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I also would not actually because Chris Godwin,

927
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: his recovery timeline is so long. I actually would not

928
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: rule out Matthew Golden here. And you're looking at a

929
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: future hopefully a long time from now, because I love

930
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: watching Mike Evans play, But you are looking at at

931
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: some point a world without Mike Evans where you've got

932
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 2: a quarterback on it.

933
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: That's a really tough one team building wise, and I

934
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: don't have a strong take. I think if they really

935
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: saw Golden as a tier above and as Iraku type,

936
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: they would do it. They are a team I think

937
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: that wants to draft linemen. Ultimately. I think they've just

938
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: invested so much money in Evans Godwin and Jalen McMillan

939
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: with a high pick last year, who looks like a

940
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: good player that I'm gonna push my cards in on

941
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: Donovan as a rock.

942
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: I think that's a good pick and I think he

943
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: would I think he would really thrive in this defense too.

944
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: Love it. The Broncos in our scenario were not allowed

945
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: to trade up. In this scenario, they are pumped because

946
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: I think the players available are guys that they could

947
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: absolutely trade up and take and make it look like

948
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: we got this pick right anyways, where they take Matthew

949
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: Golden or Amari and Hampton or Travon Henderson at number

950
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: twelve overall because they traded up, we've got him at twenty.

951
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: I think they're all strong candidates for the Broncos. Here Man,

952
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: I've been locked in at running backs so much, but

953
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: Golden being on the board. How the draft fell.

954
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: What do you think I feel like we have to

955
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: give Sean Payton Matthew Golden. I mean that just seems

956
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 2: like joy.

957
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 1: I think he loves Ashton.

958
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: We might see Sean Payton smile.

959
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 1: Yes, I think he loves Ashton. Genty. I think they'll

960
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: look at this running back class and think ultimately, even

961
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: though they would have been happy with Hampton or Travon Henderson,

962
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: whoever it would have been at twenty, I don't know

963
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: how they're feeling, but I love Hampton. I think they'll

964
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: look at the value as a wide receiver and think, man,

965
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: we can get a running back later in this deep class.

966
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: Matthew Golden is the pick. And so we got to

967
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers. This could be a senior team.

968
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: You've already given the Saints Schauduur, so I know they.

969
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: Are a very hard team actually to mock. If shoulder

970
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: is out there some possibilities. I would throw out Walter

971
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: Nolan as a pass rushing defensive lineman, someone that they

972
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: want to develop. Ty Leak Williams, I'm gonna throw him

973
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: out there. Not a name. I'm seeing a Ton in

974
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: the first round, more of a run stuffer, but everything

975
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: I know about him, man, they love nose tackles. Where

976
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: is he on the consensuspoort up to forty three, which

977
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: I feel like is about as high as he's been.

978
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: I think he could be a surprise first round pick

979
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: when you have a three hundred and fifty pound man.

980
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: Kenneth Grant would be another strong candidate. I kind of

981
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: forgot that we haven't taken Kenneth Grant here. There's some

982
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: good picks, or Mika Abuka at wide receiver in a

983
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: scenario where they trade out. This is why, man, this

984
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: is a good part of the draft to have. Like,

985
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: is this pick really any worse than the Patriots at four?

986
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: I personally don't think so. Like the players that they're

987
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: choosing from, I think it's like kind of the same

988
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: tier of players, and you're here at twenty one and

989
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: you're filling a need with pretty good players. Out of

990
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: the ones I mentioned, who do you like?

991
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 2: Can I say something crazy?

992
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: Sure?

993
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: Permission to say something crazy?

994
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: Permission granted?

995
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: What if they still take a quarterback? Oh, Tyler Shuck

996
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 2: or Jackson dart Man.

997
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: I am not. You are not putting Tyler Shuck in

998
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: this first round. You hate how old he is, I don't.

999
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: I hate that he seems to completely crumble against pressures.

1000
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm kind of shocked how much love he's getting and

1001
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 1: maybe it's because he's the type of guy I feel

1002
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: like I've been wrong about so much in the past,

1003
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: where it's like, you see all all the pro things,

1004
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: he seems like such a pro quarterback until the moment

1005
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: pressure is around him, and then he seems like he

1006
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: has no pocket presence whatsoever, like none.

1007
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I don't think we can rule out

1008
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 2: if they're if this is a potential shitter Sanders team,

1009
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: and Mike Tomlin's out here saying, or Omar Cohn's out

1010
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: here saying, Hey, we're probably going to go into camp

1011
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: with four quarterbacks. How we get to that, I'm not sure.

1012
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: I would not rule out them taking one of these

1013
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: other quarterback. If Shooter's gone one of these other quarterbacks

1014
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: at twenty one, I would not actually mind Jackson Dart here.

1015
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: I think the Steelers would be more likely, but I

1016
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: agree with your your point overall, I think he'd be

1017
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: mad that crazy more likely to view these guys in

1018
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: similar ways. Maybe they do like Tyler Shuck and feel

1019
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: like you can wait till round two and see who

1020
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: is there for them at rend.

1021
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 2: But the Browns are sitting there.

1022
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: At the top, and the Giants are well.

1023
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: And the Giants are as well, and neither of them

1024
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: have quarterbacks. So that's where I'm saying at twenty one.

1025
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: I think the Pittsburgh Steelers, they look and they've been

1026
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: playing this waiting game, and Rooney is starting to get

1027
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 2: impatient because he's only willing to wait to a point.

1028
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: They've been playing this game with Aaron Rodgers for weeks

1029
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: and months. They don't even really seem to know, you know,

1030
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: what day he wants to arrive or win, if he's

1031
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: going to be there or not. They're going to look

1032
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 2: at those guys below them that are sitting just you

1033
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: know what.

1034
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: I think they were burned by Kenny Pickett, and I

1035
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: ultimately go back to think, what's the most logical thing

1036
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: and what everyone said about this draft plast the whole time. Ultimately,

1037
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: people aren't in love with these quarterbacks. And I think

1038
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: that's going to include the Steelers, who would take Jackson

1039
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: Dart potentially in round two, but not necessarily. I'm standing

1040
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,479
Speaker 1: on the table for alignment rank yes for it. Whether

1041
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: it's Kenned you can do it on a future one.

1042
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: I owe you, Kenneth Grant. I think would make a

1043
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: lot of sense here let's do it. Let's go. Kenneth

1044
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: Grant to me, he's got a lot of juice for

1045
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: a big guy, both him and Tyler Williams as a

1046
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: run stopper, I think makes a lot of sense. Let's

1047
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 1: take one more break and we will finish our mock

1048
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: right after this. I'm telling you the twenties are where

1049
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: you want to be in this class. There's so many

1050
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: good players available. Here's still who's available. I've never I

1051
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: never did take Walter Nolan off the board, my guy

1052
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: from Old Miss, So I think.

1053
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 2: Just says old Miss did I.

1054
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: Oh, Greg Schmar Stewart, we haven't even.

1055
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: I know Stewart's gotta go. We gotta get him up higher.

1056
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: Will Johnson is still available.

1057
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know where I want.

1058
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: For any team out there.

1059
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 2: I know where I want.

1060
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: Jday Barron is still available for any team out there.

1061
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: The secondary running backs Travon Henderson and Amarion Hampton is available.

1062
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to do something which shouldn't be allowed to do,

1063
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: and you guys cannot allow it. I'm looking at Eric

1064
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: in the back, I'm looking at Jordan's Are there any

1065
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: reverse gears in this truck?

1066
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 2: Because I really take back seat.

1067
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: I love the fit of Kenneth Grant, who.

1068
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: I love the Kenneth You're old miss guy with.

1069
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 1: The Chargers because Kenneth Grant one of Jim Harbaugh's favorites.

1070
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: I love him with the Chargers. And then so I

1071
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: put Walter Nolan in that are there reverse gears?

1072
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 2: No, I'm giving the Chargers o'mary and Hampton.

1073
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: Oh okay, there's no reverse gears. This is what happens

1074
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: when two people draft together. I got a big thumbs down.

1075
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: Eric literally said, hey, please don't loot me in on

1076
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: this because my mic doesn't know. I know did today.

1077
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: It wasn't Eric, what did you do? It was Gavin

1078
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: who gave me a big thumbs down. I don't know

1079
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: Chargers fan, I believe, and uh.

1080
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 2: Maybe he's what do you think of Omari and Hampton?

1081
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: Thumbs up there down. He does not want another running back,

1082
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: but that is fun, and that is something Dany Jeremia's

1083
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: kind of hinted at. Maybe another running back there. But man,

1084
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: they're passing on some guys in the trenches. Okay, the

1085
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: Packers are up. They're a team that has been connected

1086
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: to Maxwell Harston, the Kentucky cornerback who if he doesn't

1087
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: go to the Packers. I don't think is expected necessarily

1088
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: to go into the first round. But he's a four

1089
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: to two cornerback and they need a cornerback.

1090
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: That defense has got to improve. It it was you

1091
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: could see it with under Jeff Affley can see it

1092
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: and flashes. It has got to improve this year.

1093
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: Okay, so we are onto the Packers, I mean onto

1094
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: the Vikings. Let's give the Packers Maxwell Harston. Now, the

1095
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: Vikings I think would love if jday Baron falls to them.

1096
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: I think they would love a guy with some position flexibility.

1097
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: I remember in the secondary.

1098
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 2: Remember that Shamar Stewart is still on the board.

1099
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: I also think they would like trade to guy. I

1100
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: don't think Shamar Stewart makes sense for them because I

1101
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: think they're good at edge after trading up for Dallas

1102
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: Turner last year. I also think they are the most

1103
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: likely team to trade back, and so if we're trying

1104
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 1: to get the mock draft right, they might not even

1105
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 1: be in the first round. But let's say they traded back.

1106
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: Who's the guy I could see take Josh Simmons.

1107
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: If they trade back, they need a line help.

1108
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: Josh Simmons is interesting, you know, They have their long

1109
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: term left tackle in Christian Darisaw. Is he a guy

1110
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: that you would take and develop into your long term

1111
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: right tackle. They have Brian O'Neill, but he is getting

1112
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: up there in years. I really think they go defense there.

1113
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: Their local guys think they go defense. Walter Nolan. They

1114
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: definitely could use a long term defensive tackle, but ultimately,

1115
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: with the value and the fit some people have projected,

1116
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: Malachi starts there. I think Jaday Baron is a very

1117
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: different player, but a better player and does a lot

1118
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: of the same things. I think this is where we

1119
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: stop the slide of Jaday bart Okay, let's put him there,

1120
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: all right. Jaday barn Out of Texas one of Dana

1121
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: Jeremiah's favorite players. Getting some of the Brian Branch comps,

1122
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: guys that have slipped in the in the draft a

1123
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: little bit. Josh Simmons, Okay, yeah, we're going to the

1124
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: Houston Texans at twenty five.

1125
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: Whispering sweet ol nothings into the microphone.

1126
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: So when you're putting these mocks together, it's tough because

1127
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: you have general ideas that you think are true, and

1128
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: yet when you play it out doesn't happen. I think

1129
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: generally the offensive lineman will go a little earlier than

1130
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: people expect. And yet that's not how our class ar

1131
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: mock played out. And so that's where that's one weakness

1132
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: I think where we could be wrong, because the Texans

1133
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: would be celebrating like crazy if not only is Josh

1134
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: Simmons available, but our guy Daniel Jeremiah said they are

1135
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: looking at the law firm of Booker and Banks that

1136
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: he thought his strongest team connection in the entire class

1137
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: is them taking one of those two players. So I

1138
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: do lean a little towards him and the Demico Ryans

1139
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: connection with Tyler Booker here, and that that would be

1140
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: kind of how I lean. Josh Simmons makes a lot

1141
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: of sense to me on paper as well as as

1142
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: a team. But I do think they're all about swarm.

1143
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: They're all about the intangibles about a guy who fits in.

1144
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: Josh Simmons to me is kind of the Laramie Tunsil

1145
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: of this class, but with a Betel Attendon mixed in.

1146
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: And so well, I'll tell you where he's gonna go.

1147
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: Pick pick who you want for this, Okay, I'll tell

1148
00:53:59,200 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: you where he's going.

1149
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: Let's Tyler Booker you're getting annoyed with me making the picks.

1150
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 1: Let's go Tyler Booker Guard. I'm just leaning towards DJ.

1151
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: If he says that's his strongest connection, listen, I'm gonna

1152
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: go with the one.

1153
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 2: He is the king of knowing things and sharing them

1154
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 2: without telling you how he knows. But you just have

1155
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 2: this this consistency with him. He just knows things.

1156
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: He knows things. Yeah, the Rams are up at twenty THO.

1157
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: They are taking Josh Simmons. If they're there, we go

1158
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 2: because Rob Havenstein is coming off a double shoulder clean out,

1159
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 2: and so you don't necessarily need to rush Josh Simmons

1160
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 2: onto the field. It would be helpful if he could

1161
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 2: play immediately, but you don't need to. And of virefully

1162
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 2: they need to take someone to take over from me.

1163
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: I think it makes more sense for the overall health

1164
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: of the NFL that actually the Texans got the swarmy

1165
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: Alabama guard that makes sense, and the Rams get this

1166
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: guy who doesn't need to get onto the field right away,

1167
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: a guy they're willing to take a chance on.

1168
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 2: Keep an eye on the Rams. He already went keep

1169
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 2: an eye on the Rams for a potential graz Abel

1170
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: team also keep an eye on the obviously the trade

1171
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 2: back potential. The Rams don't have a second round pick.

1172
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 2: I would imagine less Need wants to trade back into

1173
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: the second round, and I have tracked this pattern for years.

1174
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 2: Sean McVay, however, much say he has over the first

1175
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 2: pick that they do have, he's probably going to want

1176
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 2: to go offensive line or skill player.

1177
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: Okay, I love that. I want to show you my

1178
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: mock notes for every team, some suggestions that I did.

1179
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: It's pretty straightforward. There's only one team that was left blank,

1180
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: and that was just I was like, I don't need

1181
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: to say anything about the Rams. I don't need to

1182
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: prep for the Rams or think about the Rams. Who cares?

1183
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: Jordan has got to know way more. So I left

1184
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: that blank for you. The Ravens are up. I love

1185
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: that pick for the Rams, and I think they would

1186
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: love how this draft fell. I really think they would

1187
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: look trait cy defensive players in general. Malachi Starks is there,

1188
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: and yet I think it's obvious to me that they

1189
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: would take either Samar Stewart or Walter Nolan in this scenario.

1190
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 1: A Dafeoway we heard is maybe available. I think Jamar

1191
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: Stewart is very much the Adafeoway of this draft class.

1192
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: You look at their defensive tackles, they're they're definitely better there,

1193
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: and they have long term guys. Now, do they have

1194
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: a guy quite like Walter Nolan? Maybe you would say,

1195
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, nom de Mattabique is similar ish just as

1196
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 1: a pass rushing defensive tackle. I think Shamar Stewart, based

1197
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: on their depth chart, makes more sense for them. Yeah,

1198
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: let's put them here, all right, let's the other thing,

1199
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: the other name to watch here to bring up. Obviously,

1200
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley coming back is great, but Calvin Banks potentially

1201
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: kicking inside could help them. Yes, And the way the

1202
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: draft has fallen, we've gotten to the Lions. I was

1203
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: thinking for them offensive linemen, if the right person fell

1204
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: to them, edge, if the right person fell to them,

1205
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 1: really pass rusher of the right person, and maybe wide receiver.

1206
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: So maybe this is where Calvin Banks's slide stops. I

1207
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: actually think that makes a lot of sense.

1208
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 2: Could I just throw another name out? Abuka? I think

1209
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 2: I think it is such a fit here, cultural culture fit.

1210
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 2: Somebody who is on again at captain's track, somebody who

1211
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 2: just has drawn rave reviews for how much he can

1212
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 2: do how much football he knows that to me, if

1213
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 2: you're changing coordinators and you're trying to make sure that

1214
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: this offense doesn't lose any juice, I could see them going, oh,

1215
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 2: I could I could see them doing everything you're saying.

1216
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 2: I could also see them picking this might also this

1217
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: could be a Hairston team too, interesting, just depending on

1218
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: you know reported my colleague Dane Brugler has been reporting

1219
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 2: that they've done plenty of work on Hairston. So those

1220
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: are the names that I would also throw out as

1221
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: possible for Detroit. I like a different fit for Amika

1222
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: Abuka better one pick later.

1223
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: So if you let me have you're gonna put a

1224
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: Buka on the Commanders. We can talk about this interesting.

1225
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: I just they are the one team where I think

1226
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: they have to and because of the way this draft is,

1227
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: will draft for need and they have maybe the biggest

1228
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: need of any of these teams, which is their pass

1229
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: rush need.

1230
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 2: And I well, I think they're going to trade back.

1231
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 2: First of all, let me be clear on that the Commanders.

1232
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 2: So let's pick for Lions really quick because we want

1233
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: to make sure to I'll give you that one.

1234
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: I struggle with it because you kind of convinced me

1235
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: into a potential a booka pick, and yet yeah let's

1236
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: go Calvin Banks. Then okay, he will go off the

1237
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: board to the Yes, Detroit Lions.

1238
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: Now the Commanders, to be clear, I think are going

1239
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: to try to trade back. There's going to be a

1240
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 2: lot of teams, especially if if two of the quarterbacks

1241
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: go already, there's gonna be a lot of teams that

1242
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: are trying to come up into that twenty ninth spot.

1243
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: I think that's sneakily a really really good place to

1244
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,919
Speaker 2: be for Washington, who needs to rebuild entirely a young

1245
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 2: core of players and also needs needs draft picks to

1246
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: do that. So I actually don't think that they're gonna

1247
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 2: be married to a particular side of the ball. I

1248
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: don't think that they're gonna they need they need to

1249
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: help their defense. But I think when you see them

1250
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 2: make a run like they do with like all out

1251
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: offense last season, I think that they are going to

1252
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: still draft heavy into needs with defensive players. But I

1253
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 2: just see Amika and Buka and everything revolves around this,

1254
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: Wow Washington, and I just see him as again he

1255
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 2: just fits with with Terry like he just he is

1256
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: just a fit there.

1257
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: It's thinking long term. I love it. I stood on

1258
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: the table for a couple that were off the radar.

1259
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: No one is mocking this pick. So we are given

1260
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: Amika Abuka to the twenty ninth pick to the to

1261
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: the Commanders. She's on a ledge.

1262
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 2: I know. I like it. I'll take I'll take all

1263
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 2: the grievances.

1264
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: I like it.

1265
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: And I could see they do really really need defensive help,

1266
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 2: to be clear.

1267
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: I like them, you know, And because who is the

1268
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: edge there that would have gone, we have not drafted

1269
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: James Pearce. The rest of them all went Nick s Gorton.

1270
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: A lot of people, including Dana Jeremiah think might end

1271
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: up going in the first round. He would have been

1272
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: a possibility. But you're right that Commanders, we might still

1273
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: get it right as a second round pick because those teams,

1274
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: I think they're going to trade back Giants and the Browns,

1275
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: though you don't have to trade back far if you're

1276
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: just trying to pick up like an extra fourth or

1277
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: something that could be the type of pick. The Bills

1278
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: are one of the toughest teams to mock, so.

1279
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 2: I want to give the Bills a safety.

1280
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Malachi Starks is still sitting there, so is nick

1281
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: Im and Worry Wow, neither one off the board. To me,

1282
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: Starks feels more like a bill personally, just because versatility.

1283
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: There are differing views on both these guys. I think

1284
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: they're both a little divisive and maybe a little overrated

1285
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: in terms of how much they got talked about, just

1286
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: because they're at the top of kind of a bad

1287
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: safety class. They could also look at cornerback. I've been

1288
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: talking about that throughout, but now it would maybe for value,

1289
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: the safeties are a little more interesting. If you want

1290
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: to give them a safety, let's go Malachi Starks.

1291
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: Well, I actually I disagree. I want to give them

1292
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: nick Em and Worry because of his speed and they

1293
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: really need more juice back there. You know, they absolutely

1294
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 2: need to improve the overall speed of their defensive backfield.

1295
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: And he's a four to three guy. He sort of

1296
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 2: is a like really just feel to wear, very savvy player,

1297
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 2: and he dropped from the middle of the first warries

1298
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 2: being projected quite a bit into the very bottom. And

1299
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 2: that's something that Brandon Bean will.

1300
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: Be all over below Starks for what it's worth. On

1301
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: the consensus board twenty seventh for him and Worry twenty. First,

1302
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: for Starks, I think those are two guys where depending

1303
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,439
Speaker 1: on who you talk to and I have asked about them.

1304
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: With more teams in people than other players, you get

1305
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: really different opinions. There are some people that think em

1306
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: and Worry have no instincts at all, that he is

1307
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: going to be a multi year project and you got

1308
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: to have an exact vision of how you're going to

1309
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: use him. I think the Bills would be a perfect

1310
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: team for that. There are some people that kind of

1311
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: think that way for Starks too, that man, the bad

1312
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: tape is really bad. Different opinions, but he did a lot.

1313
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: He had some great highlight plays. I'm and worried a

1314
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: little less on film more in terms of the traits.

1315
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: Let's give him of the Bills at number thirty. The Chiefs,

1316
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: I put running back question mark. I put Nick gorton

1317
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: question mark. For this team, Walter Nolan is still there

1318
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: and man, if you were.

1319
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 2: To get just put him.

1320
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna put him in the first I actually

1321
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: I actually would have pushed back hard. I think the

1322
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: Bills would be a much would love to get another

1323
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: defensive lineman because of the way they team build that

1324
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: Actually I wish I had pushed back there. But we'll

1325
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: give Walter Nolan to the Chiefs kind of as like

1326
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: the long term successor for Chris Jones. Not that he's

1327
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: gonna be that type of player, but he is in

1328
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: that mold of player Chris Jones. But for now he

1329
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: would be the backup or the guy next to him.

1330
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: And then finally the Eagles are up on the board.

1331
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: I could have seen them taking Walter Nolan as well.

1332
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: The Chiefs, by the way, I think they could take

1333
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: a running back there. Wouldn't totally surprise me.

1334
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 2: Nixt starting to Nick Court me why Walter Nolan now

1335
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: is becoming one of your favorite Why because you just

1336
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 2: you have a lot of intel on him. You know

1337
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 2: some friendships that you have a lot of.

1338
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: I don't get any information on Eagles, although they are

1339
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: a team. I think that would love to see like

1340
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: just a talented guy. If anything, he seems almost too

1341
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: Jaalen Jalen CARTERI, but it would be great to Jailen

1342
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: Carter much. You know the poor man's the very poor.

1343
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 2: Man's Okay, which linemen slash pass rusher slash linebacker slash.

1344
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: The funny thing is they've all the good ones. I

1345
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: feel like are are gone. I feel like they the

1346
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: way that we've had it fall I almost wish we

1347
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: had given the chiefs of running back and that they

1348
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: would take some some people like Josh Connery a lot.

1349
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: Would they take an offensive tackle here? I don't think so.

1350
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 2: No, But uh, you know, I'm looking at like Lane Johnson,

1351
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 2: who is fantastic, had an amazing year. He is entering

1352
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 2: the most veteran years, so you have to maybe start

1353
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 2: thinking about that. Josh Connery would need to kick over

1354
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: to the other side. But he was talking to so

1355
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: one of the RAMS media people, Blaine Gresak, and Blaine

1356
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm sorry if I did not pronounce that correctly. He

1357
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 2: does a lot of draft stuff this time of year,

1358
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 2: and he actually spoke with with Josh at the Senior

1359
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 2: Bowl and was talking about how much more comfortable he

1360
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 2: is in a little bit more of a zone oriented

1361
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 2: running team. So I'm looking at maybe a guy who

1362
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 2: might take a little bit more time to develop, who

1363
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 2: is projected lower and and even well into the second round.

1364
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 2: Who people sit there and say, God, dang it, Howie

1365
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 2: roseman Ariante Nursery from Minnesota.

1366
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: Oh Man, that would be That would be a stunner

1367
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: he is.

1368
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 2: It would take some time. He needs some time. It

1369
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 2: would take some time. He's a mass people. Yeah, I

1370
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 2: do not like his tape at but you get him

1371
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: with the best the best offensive line coach in the league.

1372
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 2: He's got tools, he has size, You need to read,

1373
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 2: you need to unlearn some things and relearn some things

1374
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 2: with him. But he's got time because you got Lane

1375
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 2: Johnson there. And I just have a hard time seeing

1376
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 2: Howie go elsewhere than up front.

1377
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: Connorly would make more sense to me if he did.

1378
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: And yet I still have DJ's words ringing in my

1379
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: head that this is a sneaky Mason Taylor team. He

1380
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: keeps putting Mason Taylor. Yeah, it's the Dallas scotter. He

1381
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: always has good Eagles stuff. Now, maybe they're a second

1382
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 1: round pick, but I kind of want to wrap with Mason.

1383
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 2: Oh, let's just put three tight ends in the first

1384
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 2: round and what probably why not?

1385
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: Probably be wrong. I do feel like the other tackles

1386
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: would be a stretch. And I don't think the Eagles

1387
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: have reached for guys. They've they are consensus board team.

1388
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: They if anyone is consensus board team, it is them.

1389
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: And the way this board fell. They didn't have one

1390
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: fall to them in this case, and so all right,

1391
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,959
Speaker 1: let's go for it. Thirty second pick Mason Taylor.

1392
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 2: He sounds so excited.

1393
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one, That one's toff. I don't feel too strong,

1394
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: I kind of you know. I'm someone that immediately after

1395
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: the show is over always thinks about the different things

1396
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: that they could have done. And I was like, oh,

1397
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: maybe we should have given Hampton to the to the

1398
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: Chiefs and then Nolan wrapping up to the Eagles. That

1399
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: makes more sense to me overall, like as a combination.

1400
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: We did it.

1401
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 2: We did it.

1402
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: Very excited for this drafts on our last show.

1403
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 2: It's in arguable obviously it's going to totally happen this way.

1404
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 2: Everything will fall this way. I do think that you

1405
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 2: threw a huge wrench into the matrix when you have

1406
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 2: Shador going behind, so that obviously affects the rest of

1407
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 2: the board dropping. And some of these teams, as we see,

1408
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 2: would really love for that to happen, because it dropped

1409
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 2: perfectly for them.

1410
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: I know. Case, I hate that Amari and Hampton didn't

1411
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: get drafted here.

1412
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 2: Yes he did by the Chargers. Correct, this is quarterback

1413
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 2: Island all over again.

1414
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: I love it. It's a problem. So we will be

1415
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: back again on Thursday night. We're going to be live Me,

1416
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: Patrick Claibahn, and Steve Wish. I'm really excited about that

1417
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: before we get to the Draft, and yeah, this will

1418
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: be the last show before I do want to mention

1419
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: that we've had a tough week here at NFL Daily.

1420
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: I think about us all as a family and Nick

1421
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: Shook is such an important part of this family and

1422
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: he lost his dad, Greg Shook, on April seventeenth, and

1423
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: that's why Nick hasn't been on the shows lately, and

1424
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: we're just thinking about him, just reading about, you know,

1425
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: his dad, and hearing about his dad, Like, my goal

1426
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: in life is to have my kids someday talk the

1427
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: way about me that Nick has talked about his dad,

1428
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: and how his best friend, his coach, he coached football, basketball, baseball,

1429
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: his daughter's basketball team. Nick has three sisters and so

1430
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: that they're really hurting, but just to hear the love

1431
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: of like that relationship that he had. And even reading

1432
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: the obituary I found of Greg Shook, they said, you know,

1433
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: one of the best moments and memories of his whole

1434
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: life was getting to watch the Calves win the title.

1435
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: He's a huge Cleveland sports fan with his son Nick,

1436
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: so so rest in peace. We should all look to

1437
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: try to be the man the father that Greg Shook was.

1438
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 2: It is a testament to somebody who neither of us

1439
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 2: know personally and that we can understand just how special

1440
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: he was because of the way that Nick moves around

1441
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 2: in this world.

1442
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: Right, it's amazing. You can see it every day in

1443
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: the way that Nick operates. And so all the best

1444
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: and our condolences to Nick and his sister's autumn Caitlin

1445
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: and Brooke. We will be back. Like I said on

1446
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: Draft night, I am. I'm really excited for this one.

1447
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: I feel as prepped as I possibly could be. Let's

1448
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 1: just get it there.

1449
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 2: I'll do it. What are we gonna do until this

1450
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 2: when Greg Rosenthal is sneaking defensive tackles into the top

1451
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 2: thirty two, you know football is back.

1452
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 1: So you gotta leave a little more time, you gotta

1453
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: hit the post.

1454
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 2: Are you coaching me on this?

1455
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: I never heard it right at aways