1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: To suggest that Pete Alonso is not needed, that he 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: has not valued. Also remember that Pete has over one 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: thousand ops in the postseason. 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: Scott, great to have you on, Thank you for the time. 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: Congrats on finishing your off season. So how do you 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: think it went? 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: Well, not quite finished, still have a few more guys 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: to get placed, but for overall, we're, you know, pretty 9 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: pleased with you know, how things have gone. And certainly 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: the you know, the the one Soto negotiation was obviously 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: very important players and very important to one and he 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: had you know, I think we all think about the result, 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: but what one went through for really seven or eight 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: years of his career to get to the point that 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: he got is really kind of a remarkable statement about 16 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: him and how well he takes information and being strategic 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: and and how he handled his career. It was a 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: very unusual step for a player. 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: Hey, Scott, how difficult was it or maybe it wasn't 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: at all to coach wand through the whole situation of 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: getting an offer probably early on, and then eventually I 22 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 2: think the report, at least the one I saw, the 23 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: last one from the Nats was pretty hefty in the 24 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: four hundreds, so how was that process for one? Did 25 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: he ever waiver or he was like, I'm going to 26 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: free agency. Baby. 27 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: Well, you're a never never land because you're remember the 28 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: host of people around a player, particularly international players, when 29 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: you're offered one hundred million and then you're offered two 30 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: hundred and then three hundred and four hundred to take 31 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: market projective data and revenue streams and historical contexts of 32 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: the game and markets, and to utilize that information to 33 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: make your decisions. And you're twenty two, twenty three, twenty 34 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: four years of age, and you have most players taking 35 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: the detour to accept if not the hundred, the two 36 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: hundred of the three hundred, and you have the risk 37 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 1: of the game performance gradients you have to meet to 38 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: achieve achieve those levels. It's really a testimony to one 39 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: that you know about it. Then once you get into 40 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: the market, you've got all the naysayers saying that, well, 41 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: this is Otawani. He got four hundred and fifty million. 42 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: Everybody in the game was after him, and this is 43 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: what he got. And he pitches and he is a 44 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: remarkable offensive talent, and he also makes this franchise one 45 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty to two hundred million in addition to 46 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: providing that, and you don't have an evaluation like that 47 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: he does, so obviously you're going to get not much 48 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: more than that, if you even achieved that. That was 49 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: the conversations that led up to one's considerations in you know, 50 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: certainly the twenty three and twenty four season. 51 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 3: Scott, how did you get a hold of want because 52 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 3: he changed his number and he didn't give his number 53 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: to anybody, So how how did you ever get a 54 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: hold of him? Because I, you know, I was trying 55 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 3: to call him and I, you know, he changed his number, 56 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 3: didn't give you the new number, So I was like, what, 57 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: how am I supposed to know when you're going to 58 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: sign here? 59 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: Well, aj you know you have you have our private line, 60 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: so all you had to do was. 61 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 4: No, I'm just kidding. But on a serious note, I 62 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 4: mean it was. 63 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: It was an interesting quote at the press conference when 64 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: he's like, did any Yankees reach out? And He's like, nope, 65 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: I changed my number. But that's fine, I get it was. 66 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 3: It was a funny moment in the press conference. 67 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, the level of the level of people contacting a 68 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: major league player or a stature major league player who's 69 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: a free agent, you have everyone has his number because 70 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: he's been in the league for a while. It is 71 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: near impossible to manage the amount of influence and information 72 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: that comes to a player and to really keep the 73 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: focus because you're so bitty. We've got to narrow down 74 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: a marketplace. We have all of these meetings, We have 75 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: tons of data and meeting I think I recorded I 76 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: had sixty eight meetings with Juan Soto between his first 77 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: year in the major leagues and finally when he became 78 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: a free agent. So the level of information and what 79 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: he has to go through and the attention he has 80 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: to require, plus he'son involving anywhere from eight to ten 81 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: members of his immediate family and aiding him with the 82 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: decision and communicating information to them. One was a very 83 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: very busy guy in the offseason, no doubt. 84 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: All right, Scott, let me take you to the Alex 85 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: Bregman contract. So that was the freshest one that you did. 86 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: Of course there was uniqueness to it. So can you 87 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 2: talk me through how the Red Sox process worked into this, 88 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: including if theo Epstein was involved in why Boston you know, 89 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: decided to kind of get themselves past that luxury tax 90 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: number when they'd been hanging more in the middle of 91 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 2: the pack in terms of team spending lately. 92 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 1: Well, I think they're always with the qualifying offer player 93 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: who is thirty years of age. We've seen a relative 94 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: consistent path, and I know that people are saying, why 95 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 1: do these players sign late? What's going on? The answer 96 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: is that major league executives do not want to give 97 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: up draft picks and international money, so they go to 98 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: the market where players do not have qualifying offers, or 99 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: they don't mind giving up the draft picks for players 100 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: that are twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight, because their 101 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: surplus evaluations are so extreme with young ages that it's 102 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: good business for them to do this. When you get 103 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: a thirty year old player who has a qualifying offer, 104 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: and we and I had many and I think six 105 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: in the last two years, when they're in that dynamic, 106 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: you are not seeing clubs pursue them immediately. So when 107 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: we get into the free agent market in January and February, 108 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: the pursuit starts. They look at things. But relative to Boston, 109 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: it was clear from you know, a meeting with John 110 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: and Tom John Henry and Tom Warner the principal owners 111 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: of the Red Sox that they wanted to change course. 112 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: They had had enough of what went on in the 113 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: last four or five years. They really wanted to make 114 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: sure their club was going to be competitive. And we 115 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: had long conversations after one Soto sign, particularly about their 116 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: focus on Alex And you know, it's extraordinary that you 117 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: have a major league player that's been in the playoffs 118 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: every year of his career. He's been in the ALCS 119 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: seven times. What is this formula? What is he doing 120 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: inside the locker in addition to what he does on 121 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: the field, which is on the paper, but his leadership, mentorship, 122 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: all of that needed once it was understood and valued. 123 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: I think there was there. We certainly as we narrowed 124 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: this down, and remember we made offers to Detroit, we 125 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: made offers to Chicago that they did not accept, and 126 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: Boston came in and you know, as we I think 127 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: bres Craig Breslo called me fourteen times to try to 128 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: work through situations. Because I developed a category for qualifying 129 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: offer players which are bridge contracts as I call them, 130 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: in effect, where they players have optionality, they have opt outs, 131 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,119 Speaker 1: but they also have the ability to get some length 132 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: in the contract and we potentiate the AAV in the 133 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: early years of the contract so that there's some benefit. 134 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: And the benefit the clubs get is that if they're 135 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: giving up the draft pick, they don't have to give 136 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: the long term contract proposal. But in Bragman's case, he 137 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: had both. He had long term offers, he had bridge 138 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: contracts offered to him, so he had to really evolve 139 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: that information to where he finally led to a decision. 140 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: And after being at the press conference yesterday, I really 141 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: realized the impact that signing had on the team, on 142 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: the media, on the ownership, about a very renewed competitive 143 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: spirit that the Red Sox have now. 144 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 3: Scott, have you obviously saw the John Henry tweet where 145 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 3: he's smoking the cigar after he signed Bragman? Right now, 146 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: I have to ask this because yesterday you wore a 147 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 3: Red Sox hat in the press conference, So how much 148 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 3: is the fine going to be? And were you sitting 149 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 3: there smoking a cigar in the other chair with John Henry, 150 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 3: because I've never seen you wear a Red Sox hat, 151 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: but yesterday you definitely wore a Red Sox hat in 152 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 3: that press conference. 153 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: AJ let me point out I have been contacted by 154 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: many owners and GMS says that my beloved client, mister 155 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: Bregman in the press conference, did that on his own. 156 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: He put that hat on me, and it's caused great 157 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: a great amount of communication. That was not my volition. 158 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: It was something that he did and a rather comical moment. 159 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: I am and back when I played for the Cardinals 160 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: and the Cubs. 161 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 5: It was. 162 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: Last time I wore an affiliated hat, for sure, But 163 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: the funny moment, but I probably a thirty second moment, 164 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: but the cameras seemed to register like I was wearing 165 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: a hat. He did that, and I took it off 166 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: rather immediately. I might add, you. 167 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 5: Should never have a hat on when you have at 168 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 5: your age. There's no way, like I wear a hat 169 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 5: all the time because I got no hair. But my 170 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 5: question is more about your saying a player at thirty, 171 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 5: a player with a qualifying offer, they're really they're really 172 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 5: putting value on the younger player. 173 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: What's bigger? 174 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 5: What's a bigger problem with teams the analytics of like 175 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 5: an older player, or teams just not wanting to be 176 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 5: competitive or needing to be competitive. 177 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: We have metrics, you know when you played all my 178 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: pitchers wanted to throw to you. Why you know they 179 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: they knew the communication, They knew A lot of what 180 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: you did as a player was not on the page. 181 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: It was not there. It was something how you communicate, 182 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: how you relax them, the psychology, your focus on them, 183 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: their level of trust you have. None of that evolves 184 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: in our sport, where we've got metrics that do that, 185 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: but the majority of player evaluation is metrically calculated. The 186 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: problem we have at the major leagues the fans do 187 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: not know how to measure competitiveness with teams and the 188 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: competitive commitment. That's what we call our metric. We go 189 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: by percentage of revenue spent on the forty man roster, 190 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: and when we look at the number of teams that 191 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: spend above fifty percent, you would guess how many. You 192 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: would think a lot. No, it's a very small number. 193 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: When you look at the number of teams that spend 194 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: forty percent or below, you're going to find shockingly some 195 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: amazing The Yankees spend forty percent, they used to spend 196 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: fifty five percent. You're you're going to have Boston in 197 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: that area. But you've got a number of teams that 198 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: are spending below one hundred million. For example, there last 199 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: year there were six teams spending below one hundred million, 200 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: and the money they get from the general fund is 201 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: above that. So we really need to have a competitive 202 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: commitment measure, a metric to say, on your forty men roster, 203 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: how much of your revenues are you spending? And then 204 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: we get to the real problem in the CBA is 205 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: revenue definition. We have rsns that are owned by teams 206 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: so that it's not an arms length transaction about how 207 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: much money they really receive for their rights. We know 208 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: there's a huge disparity between clubs that negotiate with somebody 209 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: that's independent for their rights versus negotiating with the ownership 210 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: of a club owned RSN. That's one major issue for 211 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: revenue definition. The other one is what we call proximity 212 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: based revenues. Proximity based revenues are what I earn in 213 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: the ballpark, which is revenue shared, versus what I earn 214 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: outside the ballpark. The Atlanta Braves have developed a model 215 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: because we know their revenue structure because it's public, where 216 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: they make anywhere from sixty to eighty million of revenues 217 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: that aren't shared. They're made with their markets outside and 218 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: the proximity of the ballpark. All of these things. Fans 219 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: are not a way where we try to make CBA 220 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: negotiations about player rights or player cost or all of 221 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: those things. What we're spending. But you know, Rob came out, 222 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: Rob Manfick came out in October and said, our game 223 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: is strong, We're doing great. Our revenues went up from 224 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: you know, by seven percent, from eleven point three to 225 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: twelve point one billion. That went up, But yet what's 226 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: the spend the next year? The spen the next year? 227 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: There are fifteen teams that are have dropped their payroll. 228 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: There are four teams that have dropped their payroll by 229 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: over thirty million. There are now eight teams that have 230 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: dropped their payroll by twenty million, even though we have 231 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: record revenues. So an answer to your question, Eric, is 232 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: that we have maybe eight teams that increased their payroll, 233 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: but the majority are decreasing their payroll despite record revenues. 234 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: So why are they doing that? And the answer is 235 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: that there is no notice to the fans of what's 236 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: our competitive commitment metric? What is that? How do we 237 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: evaluate our team's commitment to our fan base for winning 238 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: and until we have that modality, until we register that, 239 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: I don't think the fan can adequately appraise what a 240 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: team is doing to remain competitive in in the in 241 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: the and make the league better in a major league environment. 242 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 3: By the way, so I I just before I ask 243 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 3: about Pete Alonzo, you're for the salary, cap I hear 244 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 3: that in your voice. 245 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 4: Scott. It's okay, we got it. You're for the salary. No, No, 246 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 4: we're gonna get to that. But I want you. I 247 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 4: want to I gotta ask you about Pete. Okay, because Pete, Pete, No, 248 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 4: you came out. 249 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: No, we're gonna get to that. I know, Scott, but 250 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 3: it's fun. I love I love pushing your buttons. It's fun. 251 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 3: So here's the thing. Pete Alonzo three year deal with 252 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 3: opt outs and all that stuff, right, but he only 253 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 3: got those You came out and said he only got 254 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: three years. How is that possible for a guy that's 255 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 3: in that productive his entire career? Is it because he's 256 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 3: a first baseman and first baseman don't get paid because 257 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: there should have been teams lined up to sign a 258 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 3: guy that can hit you forty to fifty homers every. 259 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: Year, you know, Aja first base catchers positional. We do 260 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: not have first basemen who can hit at a ceiling 261 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: of fifty over fifty or at a base of thirty five. 262 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: Who do we have, Oh, we don't because you see 263 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: Prince Fielder, Mark tischera, Chris Davis. When I did their contracts, 264 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: they got contracts because they all had the capacity to 265 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: do that, to hit that have that power. They all 266 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: received contracts that were at the top tier of the 267 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: major league level because they were free agents at an 268 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: age of twenty nine to thirty and they were in 269 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: the market. But the thing of it was is that 270 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: in our current market is that our good first baseman 271 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: Olsen and Goldschmidt signed before they were free agents, so 272 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: their average annual values were lower. And then we had 273 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: Freddie who had signed an extension and he wasn't a 274 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: free agent until he's thirty two past prime, so we 275 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: can't use his contracts as a basis for what a 276 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: premium aged first baseman with power is worth. So there 277 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: was no current market upon which to adjust it. So, 278 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: and I had mentioned this to Pete, is that with 279 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: the qualifying offer and who you are, I have many 280 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: examples Matt Chapman and Snell most recently who teams are 281 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: coming and offering way below scale, using saying I don't 282 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: want to give up the draft picks and pay you 283 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: your market value because it's going to hurt our club, 284 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: and so here we go. So the best thing I 285 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: can do is bring a player optionality. We got him 286 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: an average annual value in his first year of thirty man, 287 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: which is appropriate for his who he is in current times, 288 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: because you know what would Freddie Freeman be worth today 289 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: if he's thirty years old and he's a free asan 290 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: he would be worth three hundred million dollars, and so 291 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: the reality of it is age and who they are. 292 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: But having that qualifying offer you understanding that there is 293 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: a clear movement on the part of teams to say 294 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: that with that QO, we're going to not do what 295 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: we would normally do for unrestricted free agents, because that's 296 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: what the QO is. It's a restriction, a dramatic market restriction. 297 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: We're not going to do the same for them that 298 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: we'll do for others. So we have to adjust to 299 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: the CBA. We try to create contract modalities that bring 300 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: some form of optimization to the player. But to suggest 301 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: that Pete Alonso is not needed, that he is not valued. Also, 302 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: remember that Pete has over one thousand ops in the 303 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: postseason for winning teams organizations. This is a rare quality 304 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: that you have a star level player who also performs 305 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: well in the postseason. And we don't need to discuss 306 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: how dramatic his home runs have been and what value 307 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: that to a franchise. 308 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: All right, we're back, Scott. Appreciate you hanging with us. 309 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: Scott boris talking to us about what just happened this 310 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: past offseason. AJ you want to get back to biz. 311 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to ask him because I kind of 312 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: made a joke about it, but I want to know. 313 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 3: Like the salary cap, that's the big thing everyone talks about, right, fans, agents, players, owners, 314 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 3: everyone gms. Everyone's like, oh, in after twenty six, when 315 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 3: the labor negotiations up, the CBA is up, there's going 316 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 3: to be a huge fight. 317 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 4: But don't we have a soft cap now? Kind of? 318 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 3: And some teams treat it like a hard cap to 319 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: the luxury tax, and then you know they don't want 320 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 3: to get over now. Some teams don't care and they 321 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 3: just blow it away, like the Dodgers and even the Mets. 322 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 3: But isn't that already basically a salary cap and you're 323 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 3: not getting a cap and you know that Scott without 324 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 3: a floor. So how do we handle this and what 325 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 3: would your ideas be? 326 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: You don't first of all, when we discussed CBAS we 327 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: have to talk about the business of baseball. We don't 328 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: talk about labor only. We talk about in the NFL 329 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: and the NBA and the NHL they have hard caps 330 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: and guess what they had lockouts of one hundred and 331 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: thirty six days in the NFL, one hundred and sixty 332 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: one days in the NBA, and in the NHL one 333 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: hundred and nineteen days. So we know that in the 334 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: relationship with labor, hard cap or no cap, we still 335 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: have labor relations to conduct. What are the principal problems 336 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: in a CBA negotiation? They are always based upon we 337 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: have to understand that owners are talking about what we do, 338 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: what they have? Well, what do they have? Revenue definition 339 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: is a monster and it's something where we have now 340 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: all of the clubs wisely using the CBA and say, 341 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: how can I divert revenues real estate A club has 342 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: Maybe I bought the club for five hundred million, I'm 343 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: now worth two and a half billion. I have two 344 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: billion in equity that I can do what I go 345 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: out and borrow money, I invest in real estate near 346 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: the ballpark, or I grow enterprises near the ballpark to 347 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: generate revenues. I deduct the cost of the expense to 348 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: the franchise and reduced my profits. Saying that this is 349 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: debt alone I have on the team, and in fact, 350 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: they're using their equity to grow proximity based wise business 351 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: decision where they're making millions that aren't included in the revenue. 352 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: So when we talk about revenue definition, we have a 353 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: broad issue with how we define that, and that is 354 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: one of the principal issues. The other thing is we 355 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: now have defined the fact that Major League Baseball in 356 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: their approach to media rights negotiation once the NBA deal 357 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: was done, we have now codified the definition that this 358 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: league is making eight billion and we're making a little 359 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: over four that. A decade ago, we created streaming. Streaming. 360 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: It was the measurement that basically cut the cord on cable. 361 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: It was an MLB BAM right. Did they license it? No, 362 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: they sold it, and now it was used against where 363 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: there are sns are saying streaming is now affecting our market. 364 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: People are cutting the cables, and yet they continue to 365 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: operate in the cable market. So Milwaukee's a great example. 366 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: The Brewers have double the dates of the Bucks. The 367 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: Brewers have higher ratings than the Bucks, but the brewers 368 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: make substantially less than the Bucks and TV rights. Why 369 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: because the right value of our METEA rights was not 370 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: approached appropriately and there is a dramatic diminution in revenues. 371 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: So the biggest point that we talk about in CVAs 372 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: should be maximization of revenues and definition of what revenues are. 373 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: Then we'll talk about the minute point of the cost 374 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: of labor and what that relationship with labor is. And 375 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: with this understanding that we're having record revenues every year, 376 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: yet the labor costs in twenty will be the same 377 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: as they were in twenty four. There's no increase in 378 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: the forty manter roster payments to players, yet the revenues 379 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: will continue to go up. So all of these things 380 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: I think with baseball, when you're talking about in ninety 381 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: four when we had a strike, the cost may have 382 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: been a half a billion for not playing games. Now 383 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: that cost may be four and five billion for not 384 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: playing two much? And what is the labor issue about 385 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: a billion a billion and a half. I don't think 386 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: that lockouts and strikes are very good for a game 387 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: and our potentiation advancing into our true media value. I 388 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: think our focus in this industry needs to be widely 389 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: on a revenue definition model. Also for the fans, know 390 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: that the amount of contribution commitment to player playroll by 391 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: percentage of revenue is something that should be posted so 392 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: that fans are aware who's committed. Once we have those things, 393 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: we can really discuss more competently about whether or not 394 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: we need to adjust anything in the labor market. 395 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 3: Okay, I mean you're the only one that really talks 396 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 3: about this and in a way that makes sense. So 397 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,479 Speaker 3: I love hearing this stuff from you. But I have 398 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 3: two questions. One you can answer with a yes or no, 399 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 3: and you're gonna laugh at it. Why don't you become commissioner. 400 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: I've had opportunities in my life. I've had opportunities in 401 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: my life aj to be a part of Major league ownership, 402 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: to shift sides, and I have the privilege of sitting 403 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: down with parents and eighteen year olds seventeen year olds 404 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: sixteen year olds at times, and you're making a commitment 405 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: to a player. I always remember when I played, one 406 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: of my teammates come up to me and goes, you 407 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: need to use an M one ten instead of an 408 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: R one sixty one. And he was a veteran Major 409 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: league player, or his name was John Young and John 410 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: passed a few years ago. He goes, look kid, you 411 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 1: got bess. We get rid of that big bat. Do this, 412 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: do that, and you know what, it really helped me. 413 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: Players helping players. And I always said, you know, in 414 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: my life, I think I best serve the game. I 415 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: best serve everyone in it by helping players be optimized. 416 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: We spend millions of dollars. We have a sports fitness institute. 417 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: We have ten trainers. We have all these things aja 418 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: the design, We have the best medical coverage, We evaluate doctors. 419 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: We have all these things to optimize players, to help 420 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: contract execution, help players be better and perform better for 421 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: our fans and perform better for the owners that they 422 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: work for. We have psychologists. We tried to build a 423 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: structure where we're committed to everything because like all of us, 424 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: everything we have in our lives has come from this 425 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: game and it means a lot to me. And I 426 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: don't represent other sports. We don't what we do, So 427 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm always going to stay on the player's side that 428 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: we can remain. I think our contribution to the game 429 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: and who we are to players is something that represents 430 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: something where a parent and a player at a young 431 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: age knows that we're totally committed to their lives and 432 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: will always be there for them. 433 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 5: So one of your players that is having a tough 434 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 5: time and has been having a tough time since he 435 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 5: signed with the Angels is Rendon. Injuries have been tough 436 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 5: for them. How do you, as a not only just 437 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 5: a business, as a figure in his life handle that situation? 438 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 1: You know? You guys know that. You know, particularly when 439 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: you have big moments in your career and you want 440 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: to be there at that time, in that moment, and 441 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you have a physical injury, you 442 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: have a debilitating injury where you can't play, and you 443 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: have to deal with it every day. You have to 444 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: blame what's going on with the yu can't play. It's 445 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: the worst thing in a player's life. When you add 446 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: a substantial contract to that and the expectation from everyone involved, 447 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: and you go in and all of a sudden you have, 448 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: you know, third basement and hip surgeries. I've had four 449 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: or five of them, and the minute the right one's done, 450 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: years later, the left follows. The doctors tell you that 451 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: there's been an extraordinary, almost unbelievable path of injury related 452 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: to Anthony's hips that have. You know, he played well 453 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: his first year with the Angels and then it started 454 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: one hip operation. He tried to gut it out last year, 455 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: he really did. You could see that his performance levels 456 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: were not at the level because the other hip was 457 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: bothering him. And the best thing we can do is 458 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: best medical advice, best doctors try to do everything we 459 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: can to get the player healthy. Remember that this is 460 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: not about attitude, it's not about commitment, it's not about intent. 461 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: It's about the lack of physical manifestation due to injury 462 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: that it would allow him to prepare and play at 463 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: the major league level. And these things are unfortunate. Of course, 464 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: clubs have opportunity to subregrate the cost of this, the 465 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,239 Speaker 1: risk of this by using insurance carriers. Some do, some 466 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: don't to mitigate that so it doesn't affect their roster. 467 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: I've been helpful with teams and players have too when 468 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: these things have occurred and they have to retire that 469 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: we restructure the contract and register the players out the 470 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: payments out at more extended dates so it doesn't impact 471 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: their roster. And we've certainly dealt with those situations that way, 472 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: to have better care for the player in the game 473 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: and the owners in all. 474 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 4: Makes sense. Makes sense. 475 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 3: By the way, I just forgot that you had played, 476 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 3: so I looked up your ops. You weren't a terrible player, 477 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 3: I mean, but you do have some years when you're 478 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 3: missing stats, which is weird to me. 479 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 4: But you know, you know. 480 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 3: Seven seven seventy eight ops. Seven seventy eight ops and 481 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 3: a ball that's not terrible. I mean, you could make 482 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,719 Speaker 3: yourself into an All Star now, Scott if you played, now, 483 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 3: think about it. 484 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 4: So I gotta ask this. 485 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: Pop, what was that way again? I wasn't on bass guy, 486 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: No Pop, I I moment. 487 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, that's because you were swinging R one sixty one. 488 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 3: That's why I needed something. Yeah, or the handle as 489 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 3: big as the head doesn't work right. 490 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah. 491 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 3: But I got to ask you about deferrals because you know, 492 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 3: the big thing was show. Hey was he got the deferrals? 493 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 3: Soto didn't get the deferrals. Now you have some guy 494 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 3: that take deferrals, because if you look at Max Scherzer 495 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 3: is one of your guys. I mean he's getting paid 496 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 3: from like seven different teams this year, right, the Blue 497 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 3: Jays and Nationals. Heck, you might sill begin from the 498 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 3: Diamondbacks when you sign the Tigers back from fifteen years ago. 499 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 3: I mean, who knows, right, But what's you're feeling on 500 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 3: deferrals because fans are crying, Oh, deferrals are the worst thing, 501 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 3: the deferrals, deferrals the Dodgers. But to me, if a 502 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 3: team can do it, why not do it if it 503 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 3: helps your team for this year win and for years coming. 504 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, these are financial calculations of time, usage of money, 505 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: and in some situations for the player, it's not one. 506 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: So who has no deferrals. Most of my free agent 507 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: players do not have deferrals. Some do. It's really about 508 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: our calculus of what that valuation is, of what that 509 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: player should be paid. And you know with the Dodgers 510 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: with Snow, they paid us fifty a record signing bonus. 511 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: Well until so to a record signing bonus but a 512 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: record signing bonus of fifty two million dollars and they 513 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: deferred an equivalent amount, so that really it's not a 514 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: deferral because they paid so much money upfront. So how 515 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: we do it is that we try to be open 516 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: to the knee of the club and the ownership and 517 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: say what are your needs why, and then we just 518 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: make sure that the player's true market value is exhibited 519 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: inside the contract structure, and then we really kind of 520 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: wigh and compromise that situation as we go in each 521 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: individual situation. 522 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: All right, there you go. Yeah, a lot of people 523 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: crying about deferrals, but we understand how that present value works. 524 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: Keep in mind that ebbs and flows of talent and 525 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: sport are the key to a financial intellect and success 526 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: of a franchise. Because people always talk to me about 527 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: how we evaluate teams and what we do, and this 528 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: is our thing about salary caps. Salary caps bad because 529 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: they say you can only spend so much in a 530 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: particular year. Well, in some years you may want to 531 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: exceed it because the flow of talent is I'm going 532 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: to go sign the greatest free agent. Now my payroll 533 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: is going to have to advance for two years until 534 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: certain players exhaust their contracts. But I don't want to 535 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: miss out on him, and so consequently I want to 536 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: go get him because he's going to be very important 537 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: for the next eight to ten years. Well, if I 538 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: have a salary cap, I can't go get that player. 539 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: But if I'm smart and what I do, and I'm 540 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: going to have ebbs and flows like I'm going to 541 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: in some years when i have young players and I'm 542 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: not going to be as competitive, I'm going to spend less. 543 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: In other years where I'm going to I have championship modalities, 544 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: I'll spend more. These are why salary caps in a 545 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: talent driven sport are not in any way the best 546 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: for ownership and our players, because you need to have 547 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: flex as to what you spend at particular times. And also, 548 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: if there's extreme talent available, you're going to go out 549 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: and spend well above what you would normally for a 550 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: couple of years just because you want to compete for 551 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: the rarity of that talent that often isn't available in 552 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: a twenty year scenario. 553 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 2: I could not agree more with that last part there, Scott. 554 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 2: First of all, MLB is the most parody and also 555 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: there are some teams that promise their fans that they're 556 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 2: going to go through the rough times and then spend 557 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 2: on the back end. Some do, some don't. We could 558 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 2: spend hours talking about that. We've done that on the show. 559 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 2: So Scott, this was awesome. Thank you so much for 560 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: joining us. Great to have you, and we'll see at 561 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 2: some point, hopefully in spring training. 562 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: Right, all of you have been around the game for 563 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: a long time. And I asked one thing, and that 564 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: is I of how we show a competitive commitment on 565 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: the part of Major league teams. It is not small market, 566 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: large market. It's how much of your revenues are you 567 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,479 Speaker 1: spending on a forty man roster to show your fans 568 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: you're committed. If we can achieve that challenge, If we 569 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: can do that, we can give the fans to say, 570 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: how do we measure how committed our teams are in 571 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: line of their environment and who they are. And I 572 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: think that percentage measurement is a way of giving a 573 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: fan and batting average and ra for teams, whatever it is, 574 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: so that we can get a better understanding of what 575 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: our teams mean to the fans and what they do. 576 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: I think it'll really better the game. 577 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: And some clubs aren't pulling their weight, and the power 578 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: of media right here on this show is trying to 579 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 2: put the pressure on. So Hey, we just saw a 580 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 2: team that was kind of low get involved with Alex Bragman, 581 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 2: which is a big sign Red Sox could be a 582 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 2: playoff contender again. So that kind of brings us full 583 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 2: circle here. Yeah, to puff in the cigar. So Scott, 584 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 2: thank you. This was awesome. Good to catch up. We'll 585 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: catch you soon. Okay, I want to know. 586 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 4: What your fine is. 587 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 3: I want to know what your fine is in your 588 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: kangaroo court, in your office. I want to know because 589 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 3: I heard it's going to be a hefty, hefty one. 590 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 4: So get ready. 591 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: It's a clear big office dinner. I've heard all about it. 592 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 2: You are right, got a good off season. 593 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: You have to ask aj who bought John Henry that cigar? 594 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: All right? 595 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 4: Oh, I think we know now. 596 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 2: All right, that's a good way to finish. Thank you, Scott. 597 00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 4: Thanks Scott. 598 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 2: I mean that is what we do. We bring on 599 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 2: everyone and we let them roll. 600 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 4: That was our territory, by the way, that was gold. 601 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 3: So I mean, first of all, we got him to 602 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 3: stay for a second segment, which was awesome. I know 603 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 3: we're going to lose some other stuff and along the way, 604 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 3: but I'm okay with it. Like if just if you 605 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 3: just kick me Scott and Crats off and let him go, 606 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 3: it'd be awesome. Uh, because he explained things that were 607 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 3: that that most people understand. Like we've talked about who 608 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 3: was it was a couple weeks ago right where the 609 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 3: the whatever the tweet about revenue versus what they spend 610 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 3: came out. I mean, that's his whole thing. That's his 611 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 3: argument that the Miami Marlins aren't making zero money this 612 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 3: year whatever their payroll is going to be thirty million, 613 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 3: they're making more than that, so let's see what it 614 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 3: is and then but then. 615 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 4: That would involve them opening the books, and that's hard. 616 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 4: But I just thought we asked. 617 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: All we ask is that those teams then when they 618 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 2: do have their opportunity, they strike. And that's the part 619 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 2: that bothers people the most is that you wait, you wait, 620 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 2: you wait, and then the pirates the mariners, right, they 621 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: just smack you in the face and keep taking the profit. 622 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 2: You take it on the front end, you take it 623 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: on the back end. It's very frustrating. 624 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 4: Agreed, Agreed, I don't. I mean agreed. I mean what 625 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 4: you just said it was exactly right. 626 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 5: And the way the way the way he structured it too, 627 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 5: saying like, there will be times when you have ebbs 628 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 5: and flows of talent, but we can just name the 629 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,479 Speaker 5: teams right now that have a flow of talent. They've 630 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 5: even said they have flow of talent. 631 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 4: And yet they're like, well. 632 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 5: We could bump up pay roll a little bit. Well, 633 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 5: what happened to all the money you saved the last 634 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 5: five years building up to this point you just pocketed in. No, 635 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 5: you're supposed to have that to spend during this time 636 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 5: and take your team to the dynasty that you build 637 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 5: it up to be after you had tore it all down. 638 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 2: I want my super yacht and my World Series title, and. 639 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 5: You can have it. You can probably get two super 640 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 5: yachts when you win this World Series title. Just go 641 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 5: listen to the Dodger talk watch the ownership. They're like, yeah, 642 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 5: that was awesome, we won. 643 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 2: We got more now, but my percentage chance of winning 644 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 2: is not high enough versus how much the superyacht costs. 645 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 2: Where I can just pay that up front and you 646 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 2: don't have to win it. You get it if you 647 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 2: pay for it. 648 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 5: Sorry. I lived as a player, I'll die as a player. 649 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 5: Competitiveness needs to be in ownership. 650 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 2: Also, here we go at MGM futures. We're looking at 651 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 2: the Kansas City Royals number at eighty two and a 652 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 2: half right now, Eric Krats, former Royal over under eighty 653 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 2: two and a half? 654 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 4: What am I missing? Should this not be an over? 655 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 4: Should this not be an over? 656 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 5: Am I am? I to homersm Am I following what 657 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 5: happened last year too much? 658 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 2: No, you're not. I'm going to take the over, But 659 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 2: I think it's close because there's good competition in that division. 660 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 2: Tigers are going to be better, Twins aren't bad. Guardians 661 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 2: are going to be good. I mean they won the 662 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 2: division last year. Obviously, the White Socks are the White Sox, 663 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 2: and I'm missing one other team, right or no? 664 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 4: I think I got them Figers, Guardians, Tigers. Yeah, Tigers, 665 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 4: you're not the Twinkies. 666 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 5: I mean, if you think they're a five hundred team, 667 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 5: if you think they're a five hundred team, to me, 668 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 5: just the fact that the White Sox are in the 669 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 5: division and they're gonna play them thirteen times, should push 670 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 5: them over? Should push them over? That eighty two and 671 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 5: a half. I think they're more like an eighty five 672 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 5: to eighty seventeen. 673 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can't. Yeah, I mean I think I 674 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 3: think people people aren't. People aren't counting them though. I 675 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 3: think people aren't counting the Twins to have the collapse 676 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 3: they had the White Sox to be as bad as 677 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 3: they were last year. I think that's why they won. 678 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 3: You know, eighty two and a half. They're over five hundred. 679 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 3: They've done some nice things, but people aren't counting those 680 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 3: factors outside to help them. Because when they go like 681 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 3: twelve and one against the White Sox last year something crazy, 682 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 3: So people aren't counting on them to do that again. 683 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 4: There's room for improvement. 684 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they stayed pretty healthy as a ball club. 685 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 2: That's always a thing, right, I mean compared to others. 686 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,439 Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a royal span that's Washington. We lost 687 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 2: so and so and so and so for I get it. 688 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 2: But they were a pretty healthy team last year. They're 689 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 2: not the deepest team yet. It's not a powerful team, 690 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 2: but they're building the team the way that it should 691 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 2: be built for that ballpark on base percentage would be better. 692 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 1: That was the biggest problem. 693 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 2: So we'll see what happened. All right, let me speed 694 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 2: through a few other things that we didn't get to. 695 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 2: Did you guys see Anthony Rendon as no insurance on 696 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 2: that contract? Ken reported it in his notes column late 697 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 2: last night, so as well. Sorry, the team has no 698 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 2: insurance policy on his contract. And according to one Ken source, 699 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 2: they think, you know, they could have gotten like fifty 700 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 2: million bucks back if they went with that insurance policy. 701 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 2: Already doesn't want to do that. The owner of the Angels, 702 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,439 Speaker 2: He's not the only one. Many teams don't play ball 703 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 2: with the insurance policies, but it would have given them 704 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 2: a lot of cash back. 705 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 3: In this case, our our guests, our guest took a 706 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 3: little shot at that too today. 707 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,439 Speaker 4: That's not very good. 708 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 3: I don't think everybody heard that, but yeah, Boris. Boris 709 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 3: also does that with his players too. He also encourages 710 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 3: them to get insurance policies like for let's use Alex 711 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 3: Bragman for example, if it costs you fifty grand to 712 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 3: get an insurance policy or whatever the number is throwing 713 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 3: out random numbers. I actually did it a couple of 714 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 3: times with Lloyd's in London, where you get an insurance 715 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 3: policy if you signed like a one year deal, like 716 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 3: I did it the year before I hit arbitration. I 717 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 3: took an insurance policy out for a certain amount where 718 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 3: if I got hurt and could never play again, I 719 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 3: was set for the rest of my life. And then 720 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 3: obviously I didn't and I got my arbitration. 721 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 2: So you know, that's cool, that's smart. Max Scherzer, I 722 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 2: think did that on a large policy when it was 723 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,479 Speaker 2: talked about, right because he had been injured a little 724 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 2: bit early his career and they're like, oh, should he wait? 725 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 2: And he waited and obviously cashed out big with the Nationals. 726 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 2: I worked out for all sides. They won a World 727 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 2: Series title. He was dominant during that time period. All Right, 728 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 2: one more thing and then Dodgers' territory is going to 729 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 2: flip on for the YouTube crowd. There's a few other 730 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 2: topics we'll get to tomorrow and then Baseball America Hot Sheet, 731 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 2: really good topics. We're going to go over the Devor 732 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 2: situation again. So if you're watching and you want more 733 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 2: of that from the prospect side with Campbell and everyone 734 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 2: will hit that, we'll hit the Orioles logjam. But I 735 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 2: want to spend a minute on This is my dork 736 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 2: of the week, which is what Ken Rosenthal usually covers. 737 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 2: Texas A and M had a policy in their online 738 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 2: media guide that said that players will not be available 739 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 2: following a loss, and they got destroyed this weekend on 740 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,240 Speaker 2: social media and guess what, aj the policy disappeared online. 741 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 2: There must have been a glitch. It's like MLB not 742 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,720 Speaker 2: having April in the schedule for forty eight hours until 743 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 2: we pointed out on FT and to get the fixed 744 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,280 Speaker 2: right away. So what do you think are you teaching 745 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,399 Speaker 2: players how to be a pro if they're not allowed 746 00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 2: to talk to the media after a loss. 747 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 3: No, they're one of the they're ranked number one in 748 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 3: the country right now, so they're not going to lose many. 749 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 3: But when they do, they got to have grown men 750 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 3: and go talk, go talk. You're getting paid. A lot 751 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 3: of those guys are getting paid like professionals. They need 752 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 3: to act like professionals. 753 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 5: I was gonna say they already have grown men, because 754 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 5: there ain't no young dudes on that team. 755 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 4: Those do no bang yeah, And. 756 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 2: When you get paid, you can talk about players a 757 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 2: little bit differently. They're professionals. Now, these are pros and 758 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 2: they're adults. Let them talk. It's ridiculous policy to even 759 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 2: put that out there.