WEBVTT - Episode 209: Predicting Breakout Candidates For Mariners Spring Training

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to episode number two oh nine of the Marine

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<v Speaker 1>Layer Podcast. The Mariners announced their new look twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five broadcast team. We'll talk about all the differences, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll also pick out a breakout Mariner as we enter

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<v Speaker 1>spring training.

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<v Speaker 1>episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball podcast network. Recording on Thursday evening, February thirteenth. The

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<v Speaker 1>Mariners reported to spring training this week. Oh so so happy.

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<v Speaker 1>I have one takeaway already. It has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>with baseball. Did you see the big letters You're back

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<v Speaker 1>on the jerseys?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank god.

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<v Speaker 1>Our long national nightmare is over.

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<v Speaker 2>That might have been one of the few things in

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<v Speaker 2>this entire country where the opinions on that were one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent to zero percent. And was there one single

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<v Speaker 2>person out there that was like, you know what, I

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<v Speaker 2>like the small letters, this is better. I don't miss

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<v Speaker 2>the old jerseys at all. No, I don't think you

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<v Speaker 2>could pull one person that said in with the new

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<v Speaker 2>jerseys from last year.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how we talked about Coachella jerseys. All those

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<v Speaker 1>small letter jerseys are now officially Coachella jerseys because they're antiques.

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<v Speaker 1>They're a one and done.

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<v Speaker 2>For those who don't know, why don't you explain your

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<v Speaker 2>definition of Coachella jerseys so everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I assume everyone knows what Coachella is, But if people

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<v Speaker 1>are unfamiliar with Coachella, it's a music festival in Indio, California,

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<v Speaker 1>during the spring. It's there in the spring, right about.

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<v Speaker 1>Iwa washed. Okay, thank you glad. I'm not glad. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not dating myself here. So people like to dress up there, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a variety of what they dress, but a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people will wear jerseys there, and I think the

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<v Speaker 1>best kind of jersey to wear. It's not like your

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<v Speaker 1>most popular jersey, not something you'd wear out to a

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<v Speaker 1>sports bar to if you're going to the Eagles victory

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<v Speaker 1>parade today on Friday. For some reason, you're an Eagles

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<v Speaker 1>fan and an MS fan listening listening to us, shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to you, that's that would be amazing. But no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is these are like the very niche jerseys, Like

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<v Speaker 1>these are a player that you have, you had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea that he played for that team. It's got to

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<v Speaker 1>be a combination of very rare player with a very

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<v Speaker 1>rare you know, hype of jersey. This is easier to

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<v Speaker 1>do in the NBA that has more jerseys, Baseball less so,

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<v Speaker 1>but think of like a Mariner's Coachella jersey. Toffy Gooeswitch

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<v Speaker 1>is a Coachella jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody owns that jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>James Jones, what about that Tommy Lostella jersey?

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<v Speaker 2>You saw That's a Coachella jersey. For those who missed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year, there was legitimately somebody on Opening weekend wearing

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<v Speaker 2>a City Connect Tommy Listella jersey and I asked this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>why do you own this? And he's like, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>my friends, it's not mine. He just led it to

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<v Speaker 2>me for the day and I said, why does he

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<v Speaker 2>own it? And he goes, I don't know. For a reference,

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<v Speaker 2>Tommy Listella got cut the day before the first time

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<v Speaker 2>the Mariners wore their City Connect jerseys. And it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like those jerseys are any cheaper. It's not like because

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<v Speaker 2>you get Tommy Listella over Julio it's cheaper. No, it's

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<v Speaker 2>all the same price. I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>So who is the who's the most Coachella worthy Mariter?

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<v Speaker 2>There's a bunch. Doug Fister. Did people have his jersey

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<v Speaker 2>back then?

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<v Speaker 1>What about Edwin and Kernasione?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's one.

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos Pagero, m Depth, that's one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, James Jones is a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Saunders shuttle, Michael Saunders back in the org.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what. Oh, we're just yeah, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Know I have one. Because he's now retired, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to shout him out. Daniel vogelback, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good one. That is a good one. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what, Now that he's a friend of ours, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>just throw his out there too. Charlie Furbush jersey and Charlie.

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie would probably agree if if he saw somebody wearing

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<v Speaker 2>his jersey out at Coachelli. Yeah, that's warranted to.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're in that bucket. Tom Whomeson qualifies.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, there's a lot of good options, really good options.

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<v Speaker 1>Who This is not something you can do with the Yankees.

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<v Speaker 1>They have too many good players who stay on the

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<v Speaker 1>team for too long. We need more, we need more variety. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the Mariners I feel like are perfect for that.

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<v Speaker 2>They are. You know what My quick takeaway is, it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much non baseball before we really get into things.

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<v Speaker 2>They made some upgrades to the Puria Sports Complex. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's a little less pavement area on the patio, which

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<v Speaker 2>is basically the area that TJ and I'll stand and

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<v Speaker 2>hang out and kind of just wait around for players

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<v Speaker 2>to hopefully swing by. It's where more anyway, in all seriousness,

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<v Speaker 2>that's where most of the media hangs out during spring

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<v Speaker 2>training when they're not on the field. It's now more turf.

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<v Speaker 2>They put in some more area for infield work next

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<v Speaker 2>to the bullpen area. So they made some upgrades and

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like now there's a little bit more of

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<v Speaker 2>an area for position players in addition to where the

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<v Speaker 2>pitchers will throw their bullpens so, yeah, the Mariners made

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<v Speaker 2>some pretty cool upgrades to it. It looks like so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to go see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it the camera angle that made it look like

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<v Speaker 1>Kirby was throwing a bullpen somewhere else?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was the same spot again. The reason you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't recognize it is because we're divish was standing recording

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<v Speaker 2>those videos. Instead of being basically adjacent to the mound

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<v Speaker 2>where he often will stand, this time he's at a

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<v Speaker 2>different angle, and I think that's because of the new

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<v Speaker 2>turf they put in, so now he has to stand

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. I'm excited to see it when we get down there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to get some sunshine. It's snowed today. Great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, February is one busy month for us in a

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<v Speaker 2>good way. And what does that involve. Well, one of

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<v Speaker 2>those things is being down at spring Training, which we

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<v Speaker 2>will be there from February twenty fourth through March first,

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<v Speaker 2>so the last week of February. So if you are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be there anywhere in that time span, like

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<v Speaker 2>we keep saying, please please flag us down, let us know,

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<v Speaker 2>love to meet up. Oh yeah, you know what in

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<v Speaker 2>addition to that, if we're just talking about the busy

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<v Speaker 2>month of February. Let's just talk about a couple other

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<v Speaker 2>things here. Well, we just got back from DC, so

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<v Speaker 2>fun trip with our friends. That's now concluded. Again, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going down to spring training. Quick turnaround here in about

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<v Speaker 2>ten days. In between them time, we've got our first

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<v Speaker 2>live show coming up. Man, we know whoa one week

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<v Speaker 2>away from time of recording this one week away when

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<v Speaker 2>you guys listen, it'll be six days away. Thursday, February twentieth,

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<v Speaker 2>six pm, moss By, Hall and Kirkland. Cannot cannot wait, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be a blast. We've already gotten a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of feedback from people saying this sounds awesome. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>wait to make it out. We hope all you guys

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<v Speaker 2>are in that same boat, because it's not just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be some show where TJ and I stand up there

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<v Speaker 2>and talk. No, we want to get all you guys involved.

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<v Speaker 2>We want your questions. In fact, I'm giving a homework

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<v Speaker 2>assignment to everybody that comes to the show. Come prepared

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<v Speaker 2>with a question to ask us, because we want to

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<v Speaker 2>hear from you whatever's on your mind, whether it's mariners,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's whatever you want to talk about. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>answer it. We're also gonna be doing trivia with prizes

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<v Speaker 2>to give away. If that's another incentive for you to go.

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<v Speaker 2>There's another way to get in the door and be

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<v Speaker 2>motivated to come hang out with us as trivia with

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<v Speaker 2>prizes and if you need a third kicker, free to

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<v Speaker 2>get in, no charge, free to get in, free to

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<v Speaker 2>come hang out. So next Thursday, February twentieth to six pm,

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<v Speaker 2>we can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds pretty fun. The food's good too, and the drinks,

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<v Speaker 1>oh food, So you have no reason. You have legitimately

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<v Speaker 1>zero reason to skip.

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<v Speaker 2>So the smash burger at Maspe is unreal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really good. The pretzels we had the beignets last week,

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<v Speaker 1>those are pretty good too. If you like fried dough, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so please come through. M on one last reminder before

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<v Speaker 1>First on the topic wheel today, Lyle. While we were

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<v Speaker 1>on vacation, the Mariners finally well, actually, let me clarify this.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me clarify. Mariners didn't announce anything yet, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was reported by Adam Jude of what the changes in

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<v Speaker 1>the Mariners broadcast booth will be this for this upcoming season.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a couple of broadcasters, the two of us,

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<v Speaker 1>this is right up our atley to talk about. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>roll through it. So the details are. Dave Simms, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>takes the job with the Yankees. He's out. Mike Flowers

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<v Speaker 1>will not be returning to the Mariners broadcast team for

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty five season. Very interesting. Aaron Goldsmith goes

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<v Speaker 1>to lead TV play by play. Gary Hill gets elevated

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<v Speaker 1>into Goldie's role on the radio. He's tabbed as the

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote radio analyst. But I'd imagine Gary's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be getting innings every night now alongside Rickriz And then

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<v Speaker 1>the Mariners are now going to rotate for color analysts

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<v Speaker 1>alongside Aaron Goldsmith, Angie Mentink, Jay Buner, Dave Valley, and

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Roland Smith. Where should we start with this.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just start here. Super cool for everybody involved in

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<v Speaker 2>this broadcast package. Aaron Goldsmith was twenty nine years old

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<v Speaker 2>when he came to Seattle. He talked about he felt

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<v Speaker 2>like he had a ton to learn, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>experience he still needed to gain. Fast forward just over

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<v Speaker 2>a decade later, and now he's the TV voice of

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<v Speaker 2>the Mariners full time. Sick. That's awesome for Goldie. And

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<v Speaker 2>you don't need us to tell you that he is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best in baseball. So to see him

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<v Speaker 2>be on TV full time now one awesome for Dave.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we talked about that, Dave Simms is gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>the radio voice of the Yankees, which we know is

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<v Speaker 2>a dream job. But now that Goldie gets to take

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<v Speaker 2>over on TV full time, also awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Congrats to Goldie. That's absolutely amazing. I'm so I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>miss the chemistry that he and Blowers had A lot

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<v Speaker 1>he ended up getting for the time they worked together.

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<v Speaker 1>Their chemistry was pretty unrivaled. Mike Blowers and Dave Simms

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<v Speaker 1>had been spent a ton of time in the booth

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<v Speaker 1>together and had some amazing moments. But the chemistry that

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<v Speaker 1>Goldie and Blowers had when they would share the TV

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<v Speaker 1>booth I thought was unrivaled. In fact, the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>that would really come close to it is when Goldie

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<v Speaker 1>and Gary would call a game on the radio like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that level of chemistry, I think which makes these

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<v Speaker 1>broadcasts that much better. And I'm not saying it can't

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<v Speaker 1>be replaced by the four color analysts I mentioned that

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<v Speaker 1>we will dive into here in a second, but that group,

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<v Speaker 1>that pairing of Blowers and Goldie, I thought really was

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<v Speaker 1>the best that the Mariners could put out there in

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<v Speaker 1>the television booth. And it's just very disappointing that Blowers

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to be in that booth for this

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming season. For people who are going to inevitably in

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<v Speaker 1>the comments ask us why Blowers is not back in

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<v Speaker 1>the booth, I don't know. Wasn't reported, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think there'll be a reason. The only way we'd get

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<v Speaker 1>a reason is if Blowers would say it, But he's

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty private person, so I don't think he would

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<v Speaker 1>say it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to speculate, go ahead, if we don't have.

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<v Speaker 2>A reason, right if you want to speculate, Look, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>he missed a lot of time during the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three season. We know he was battling with some health stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>We know toward the tail end of twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>if you remember, he wasn't on a lot of those

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<v Speaker 2>broadcasts either. So maybe it's something along those lines. But

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<v Speaker 2>again that is pure, pure speculation from the two of us.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know, and like TJ said, unless it gets reported,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we'll ever find out. But what that

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<v Speaker 2>does is it gets to elevate some other people into

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<v Speaker 2>who are awesome, into some really cool roles. I will

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<v Speaker 2>say on the Goldiean Gary platform, I hope those two

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<v Speaker 2>still find a way to be together on whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>radio broadcasts or whatever it may be, because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want their chemistry to totally go away where they're no

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<v Speaker 2>longer talking together anymore. Not that they're not talking off

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<v Speaker 2>the air, those guys are basically best friends, but on

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<v Speaker 2>the air, I hope they still find a way to

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<v Speaker 2>integrate the two together.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm dead serious when I say as much as I

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<v Speaker 1>love Rick Riz, he's a legend. He's a Mariner's Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Famer. He should be in the Made in the

0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.559
<v Speaker 1>Baseball Hall of Fame. I mean, the dude will go

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<v Speaker 1>down on the Mount Rushmore of Seattle broadcasters of all time,

0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.080
<v Speaker 1>right up there next to Daveney House. That's the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of impact he's made on the city and with the

0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:30.480
<v Speaker 1>franchise and the overwhelming positivity for this franchise, even when

0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.400
<v Speaker 1>they probably deserve none. You know who's gonna be the

0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.480
<v Speaker 1>mister positive about the Seattle Mariners. It's Rick Riz And

0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.680
<v Speaker 1>that's just that's because that's who he is. He's mister Positive.

0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.320
<v Speaker 1>And it's and it's fantastic. But the best product that

0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.760
<v Speaker 1>the Mariners put out in the radio, I thought from

0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:49.200
<v Speaker 1>a listener perspective, is when Goldie and Gary would do it.

0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:54.440
<v Speaker 1>They play. They could play off each other so well

0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.880
<v Speaker 1>that there's all these like little references that you can

0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.200
<v Speaker 1>make throughout a broad cast that instantly gets picked up on.

0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.840
<v Speaker 1>There's no lag time, there's no miss there's no nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the storytelling. It's the weaving in both old school

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<v Speaker 1>and new school. It's the it's just a whole combination

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<v Speaker 1>of things that made it fantastic. I hope we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>that eventually sometime. I I feel like there's I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like there's still an opportunity for that, but we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, to be fair, Blowers would do some

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<v Speaker 2>pregame and postgame stuff on the radio while also calling

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<v Speaker 2>the game on TV. So maybe there will be times

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the week where Goldie and Gary hop on the

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<v Speaker 2>radio together post game and they get their pregame and

0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.200
<v Speaker 2>they get to talk in that regard. But yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure the Mariners know that one Goldie and Gary are

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<v Speaker 2>a great combo, and I'm sure that they know that

0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.960
<v Speaker 2>fans know that those two are great combos. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully they find a way to get those two integrated.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't rule that out at all. In fact, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say that's more than likely that they're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to do that, because you know what they

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't reported in all this, which I thought was very

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<v Speaker 1>interesting and I will keep an eye out for when

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<v Speaker 1>the Mariners officially announce it. There was nothing talked about

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<v Speaker 1>with pregamer postgame shows. And now remember the news this

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<v Speaker 1>offseason that major League Baseball's taking on the production of

0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.680
<v Speaker 1>roots sports, and that does change the product they put

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<v Speaker 1>out there. What would they decide to do with the

0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.960
<v Speaker 1>pregame and postgame show with our friend Brad Adam Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what happens with that? We don't know. I guess we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, Well, it was reported that the Brad's still going

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<v Speaker 2>to be involved in a variety of ways, so he's skid. Yeah,

0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.520
<v Speaker 2>so he will still have some involvement. Again, when the

0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Mariners announce it all, we'll probably have a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more clarity on what exactly each role is. But yes,

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<v Speaker 2>like the back Brad's still going to be involved is great.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it's a shorter pregame and postgame show, for

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<v Speaker 2>example on TV this year, then yes, that does give

0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Goldie more of a chance to hop over on the

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<v Speaker 2>radio before and after the game and hang out with

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<v Speaker 2>Rick and Gary.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to give a shout out to Angie Mentink. Congratulations.

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<v Speaker 1>What an awesome opportunity for her to become. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>official titles the first the first woman to hold a

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<v Speaker 1>primarily primary analyst role in Seattle sports. If I believe

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<v Speaker 1>I have that right, m.

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<v Speaker 2>M yeah, I mean her and her and hyphen are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the main two, right. I guess we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know yet who's doing the bulk of the games

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<v Speaker 2>on the analyst side, but Angie is absolutely going to

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<v Speaker 2>be doing a bunch of them. I think that's clear.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's yeah, and it's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Could be a split, it could be a split.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it could be a split. Regardless, it's it's awesome

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<v Speaker 2>for her. Yeah, Like if you ever talked to Angie,

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<v Speaker 2>she knows so much baseball and has such a wide

0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:43.120
<v Speaker 2>knowledge of the game that yeah, now now she gets

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<v Speaker 2>to bring that to the airwaves every night. Pretty cool,

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<v Speaker 2>really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Hyphen, I mean Hyphen was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>best in the game. I really do enjoy listening to

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Rowland Smith. I did raise an eyebrow a little

0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:55.920
<v Speaker 1>bit that Jay Buhner is going to be back in

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<v Speaker 1>back rotating it because he as far I know, in

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<v Speaker 1>his force he told when he came back last year

0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:04.880
<v Speaker 1>they had the Buni boscut night. He does not live here.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes it a little bit more difficult to rotate in

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<v Speaker 1>when you don't you don't live here. And it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like lives in Oregon. No, he lives in Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>Right Like for example, when when Kayla was on the

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<v Speaker 2>broadcast in twenty three kayleb Brow, who was also awesome

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<v Speaker 2>and loved listening to her when she was on. Before

0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.520
<v Speaker 2>she took the coaching job back at her alma mater

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<v Speaker 2>at Alabama for softball, she would live in Oregon. She

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<v Speaker 2>lived in Oregon before they moved, and she would just

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<v Speaker 2>fly up for some series from time to time because

0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.960
<v Speaker 2>it's it's shorter. Sometimes she drive. But yeah, Jay Buner's

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<v Speaker 2>not living in Oregon. He's living in Texas. So if

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<v Speaker 2>I had to guess what this means, I would guess

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<v Speaker 2>they might have him do some of the series when

0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.200
<v Speaker 2>the Mariners traveled to Texas because it'll be a little

0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.760
<v Speaker 2>bit closer for him, And then maybe he also flies

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<v Speaker 2>up for a handful of series throughout the year. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure he's not going to relocate if I had to guess,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would guess they'll mix him in in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he's not going to be doing the primary

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<v Speaker 2>number of games as the TV analyst, but they will

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<v Speaker 2>probably work him in in facets like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So you could say you fly him up for a

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<v Speaker 1>week two series at home, and then four series in Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what the reply.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's roughly fifteen to twenty games. That's that's

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<v Speaker 2>a reasonable amount of games throughout the year.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll play a series in Arizona this too, this year too, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so that's another Yeah, Yeah, it's not too

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<v Speaker 1>far away.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, They'll find a way to work him in. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Dave Valley I, as far as I know, still

0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:30.600
<v Speaker 2>lives in the area, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who's remember during the Rangers series last year he

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<v Speaker 1>was doing Rangers TV but in Seattle. Yeah, right, in Seattle.

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<v Speaker 2>M hm. So he'll probably get worked in in a

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<v Speaker 2>variety of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>But he hasn't been on routin a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Has it been a while?

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like it's been a while, all right, So now.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to start to work him back in. But

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<v Speaker 2>I would assume Hyphen and Angie are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the majority, get the majority of the reps and games

0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.160
<v Speaker 2>as the TV analyst, which again awesome for both of them.

0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Hyphen has been such a supporter of ours and now

0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.639
<v Speaker 2>a friend of ours throughout starting this podcast, so couldn't

0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.520
<v Speaker 2>be more thrilled for him. Somebody who is super passionate

0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.920
<v Speaker 2>about one baseball but two broadcasting and has certainly made

0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.120
<v Speaker 2>an awesome career for himself post playing with Now he's

0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:20.920
<v Speaker 2>on MLB Network, he does his own podcast. Now he's

0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:23.240
<v Speaker 2>gonna be one of the main TV analysts for the Mariners.

0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:26.240
<v Speaker 2>It's awesome for him, and then for Angie, who again

0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:31.320
<v Speaker 2>is as knowledgeable about the game as almost anybody in

0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.800
<v Speaker 2>the Mariners media that you'll find she Again, if you

0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.200
<v Speaker 2>ever talked to Angie about baseball, it doesn't take you

0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:40.200
<v Speaker 2>long to realize, Yeah, she really really knows her stuff.

0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:41.600
<v Speaker 2>And to see her get this chance and to see

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<v Speaker 2>her get a bunch of more games awesome for her.

0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Another person who's been super supportive of the both of us,

0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:47.000
<v Speaker 2>so happy for her.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're hoping to get her on Yeah, hopefully soon.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be great, Like love to have her on

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<v Speaker 2>if she's ever available and willing.

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<v Speaker 1>To do it. Shall we get to our breakout Mariners?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Is there anything else to kind of tie a

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<v Speaker 2>bow on with this whole broadcast thing? Or do we

0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.080
<v Speaker 2>hit the nail on the head again? Like the big

0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:09.680
<v Speaker 2>thing I'm coming to the conclusion here is legitimately just

0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:13.280
<v Speaker 2>thrilled for everybody involved, because everybody involved not only are

0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:15.800
<v Speaker 2>they great broadcasters, but they're just they're just awesome people.

0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Who deserve the opportunities. So I'm excited to see what

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<v Speaker 2>the new age of marriage broadcasting looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad to see all these announcements, But what I've

0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:27.399
<v Speaker 1>been most curious about how all off season, if I

0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:29.879
<v Speaker 1>can get my words straight, is what what are the

0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:33.920
<v Speaker 1>broadcasts going to look like? How much changes with Major

0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:36.480
<v Speaker 1>League Baseball taking over? How much time are they shaving

0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.200
<v Speaker 1>off the broadcasts? And then where does it go after

0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:42.720
<v Speaker 1>this season? We speculated last year that last year could

0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:45.720
<v Speaker 1>have been the last year of ROUTE, not this upcoming season.

0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:50.679
<v Speaker 1>They haven't said whether or not ROOT would continue beyond

0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:54.280
<v Speaker 1>this year or not, but we know it. It's heading

0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:57.400
<v Speaker 1>in the direction of them going under Major League Baseball's umbrella.

0:21:57.680 --> 0:21:59.440
<v Speaker 1>So how does that look a year from now too?

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<v Speaker 1>That's sort of the information I look at with this,

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<v Speaker 1>but at least for this year, that's what this is

0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.119
<v Speaker 1>what we're looking at, and I'm just I'm thrilled for

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.920
<v Speaker 1>everybody involved. And what we're gonna get to listen to

0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:13.120
<v Speaker 1>is listen to in the booth and hopefully there will

0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:14.600
<v Speaker 1>be some good baseball to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, definitely, Yeah. We may not know what the future

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<v Speaker 2>of the TV broadcasts look like till one we get

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<v Speaker 2>to see some games once they start this year, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if we'll have a full idea in spring

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<v Speaker 2>training or not. And two, once time goes on, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe one of those things we just learned with time.

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<v Speaker 1>What would help is if some of these guys that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about next play, like we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to predict them to play going through spring training and

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<v Speaker 1>into opening gay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and before we do that, because I cannot wait

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about a bunch of these guys, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of really exciting names to keep an eye out

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<v Speaker 2>on and look for in spring training this year because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna start with you, lyle, who are your breakout

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<v Speaker 1>Let me frame it this way, who is your breakout

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<v Speaker 1>Mariner this spring.

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<v Speaker 2>There's two ways that I'm gonna go about this. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna give one honorable mention and then give my main guy.

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<v Speaker 2>And you have some honorable mentions too, right, I have

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<v Speaker 2>two actually, so let's start with the honorable mentions and

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<v Speaker 2>then we'll move into our highlight guy honorable mention. I

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<v Speaker 2>went with Gregory Santos because is Gregory Santos breaking out? Well,

0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:01.400
<v Speaker 2>he'd break out with the Mariners if he breaks out,

0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:05.960
<v Speaker 2>But he's not a breakout candidate because he was acquired

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:09.600
<v Speaker 2>to Seattle to be a high leverage arm. We just

0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:11.320
<v Speaker 2>didn't get to see it last year because he missed

0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:13.560
<v Speaker 2>most of the year with injury. But this is a

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.080
<v Speaker 2>guy that if he breaks out with the Mariners this year,

0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:18.560
<v Speaker 2>if he stays healthy and pitches the way he pitched

0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 2>in Chicago makes a full one to eighty difference to

0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.520
<v Speaker 2>this bullpen. This bullpen does not have all the problems

0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:28.440
<v Speaker 2>it has last year. If Gregory Santos is just healthy,

0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:31.359
<v Speaker 2>even with Matt Brash missing the year, if Santos was

0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:35.600
<v Speaker 2>just healthy all year, this bullpen looks vastly different. A

0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 2>guy that has just dynamite stuff bowling ball type sinker

0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:42.359
<v Speaker 2>runs it up to the upper nineties. And this guy's

0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 2>slider again, it's it's easy to forget because he barely

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:48.560
<v Speaker 2>threw last year. His slider was one of the best

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:53.160
<v Speaker 2>pitches pitches in Major League Baseball back in twenty twenty three.

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:56.120
<v Speaker 2>That is a huge reason the Mariners acquire the guy

0:24:56.520 --> 0:25:00.720
<v Speaker 2>dynamite slider and is still honestly an unfair product. For

0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:03.240
<v Speaker 2>as good as he was in twenty three, he only

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:06.560
<v Speaker 2>really had one dominant pitch. With the idea that, yeah,

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 2>this guy's just getting started. He's got all this club control,

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 2>he's young, he's got this crazy stuff. We got him

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:15.680
<v Speaker 2>into our pitching lab, into Seattle. Oh, this guy's gonna

0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:17.440
<v Speaker 2>be a difference maker for us for a long time.

0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:20.399
<v Speaker 2>And if he stays healthy this year, I think he

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:21.280
<v Speaker 2>is going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>That Santos is the rare, established big leaguer that you

0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:30.199
<v Speaker 1>could throw in. Still needs to break out personally, as

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:34.200
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned, because he changed teams and it doesn't matter

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:38.159
<v Speaker 1>at this point. It doesn't matter as much what he

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:41.639
<v Speaker 1>did in Chicago, like it showed what kind of pitcher

0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 1>he could be. But the Mariners are a different organization

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.479
<v Speaker 1>than Chicago. They're gonna have different ideas of what they

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:48.679
<v Speaker 1>want him to throw and how they want him to attack.

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 1>But he's also going to show the Mariners that, you know,

0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:54.040
<v Speaker 1>I can stay healthy for an entire season, because that's

0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:56.720
<v Speaker 1>what really matters the most here is that he shows

0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:59.879
<v Speaker 1>up to Seattle last year, struggles with injury and barely

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:06.760
<v Speaker 1>barely pitches it all. It's gonna be something that people

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.000
<v Speaker 1>are very happy about if if he can come out

0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 1>this spring training and he can do exactly what he did. Yeah,

0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 1>you and I were talking about this before we started recording.

0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:17.879
<v Speaker 1>It's like, does he count? I mean, he's got a

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:20.800
<v Speaker 1>full season under his belt. I do think relievers are

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:25.119
<v Speaker 1>different than every other position when it comes to is

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:27.720
<v Speaker 1>this can we call this a breakout player or not?

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:36.919
<v Speaker 1>Because relievers are so up and down that that if

0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:40.920
<v Speaker 1>you're on like a downstretch trying to find some words here.

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<v Speaker 1>If relievers are on a downstretch and then suddenly break

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<v Speaker 1>out again, I feel like something like that counts. You

0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 1>could say the same thing, like if Tally fealese Lyle,

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:52.120
<v Speaker 1>if he comes out and dominates the spring and starts

0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 1>throwing ninety nine again, you'd call that a breakout.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, are you under the impression Neftally Police is

0:26:58.680 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 2>gonna be throwing ninety nine miles in?

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying if we love hypotheticals, we do.

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 2>However, you know it's not a hypothetical. This guy's thrown

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 2>five big league innings in the last seven years.

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.879
<v Speaker 1>Or Shintaro Fujinami shows up and he doesn't walk a

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:17.879
<v Speaker 1>guy all spring, that that would be a breakout, but

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>he's been in the big leagues for multiple seasons now.

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Fujinami is a much more realistic idea of a bullpen

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 2>breakout than nif Tali Fleies.

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:33.119
<v Speaker 1>What are you gonna say when nif Tali Feliz is

0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 1>in in a game in April?

0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say, is this twenty eleven?

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:39.879
<v Speaker 1>I hope not.

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Fujinami actually could break out, But if we're sticking on

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 2>Santo's here again. If you just want to run through

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:48.200
<v Speaker 2>the guy's numbers, because it's easy to forget what he

0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 2>did just one baseball season ago, in twenty twenty three,

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 2>he made just shy of seventy appearances. E A was

0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 2>three three nine, pipp was two sick, and again, that

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 2>slider was one of the best pitches in Major League baseball.

0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Back in twenty three. Opponents against his slider slugged two

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:12.639
<v Speaker 2>oh three. They did not bat two oh three, they

0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 2>slugged two oh three. Are the Mariners a different organization

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:17.879
<v Speaker 2>than the White Sox, Yes, well, they have slightly different

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 2>ideas for him. Yes, but I cannot imagine Pete Woodworth

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.640
<v Speaker 2>and Trent blank are looking at Gregory Santos and saying, yeah,

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:27.879
<v Speaker 2>that slider yours. Stop throwing it. You're gonna see that

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:30.200
<v Speaker 2>slider plenty if he's healthy, and if he is healthy,

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 2>I think he is gonna dominate with it.

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Let's reframe the question. What does a Gregory Santo's spring

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 1>training breakout look like.

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, relievers never usually get more than five maybe six

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 2>appearances all spring, so it's about five to six innings.

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:51.240
<v Speaker 2>But if in those few innings, he's throwing strikes, slider,

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 2>looks good, fastballs up, and he's spotting up his pitches

0:28:57.080 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 2>and he stays healthy. That's a breakout. If Gregory's Santos

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 2>and six appearances, gives up one run, isn't walking guys,

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 2>and looks like twenty twenty three Gregory Santo's or some

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:08.640
<v Speaker 2>form of it, I would call that a breakout.

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:12.200
<v Speaker 1>By up you mean velocity velocity up.

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.719
<v Speaker 2>Yes, if he is throwing in the mid to upper nineties,

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:16.960
<v Speaker 2>and usually he's in the upper nineties, so yeah.

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:20.520
<v Speaker 1>That'll be a good start. I think ninety three would

0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 1>be concerning what I think the Mariners would be looking for.

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>I feel like they just want to see the VLO

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>and the stuff. I don't know if the results matter

0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 1>as much. That's why, Well that's when we talk.

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 2>But results would get fans excited. It might not matter

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 2>to the Mariners. But if Santos throws six scoreless innings

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 2>in spring training and it's throwing ninety six to ninety seven,

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 2>fans are gonna be like, oh, he's back, he's back.

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's a fair point. I'm sort of thinking along

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 1>the lines of Gregory Santos is so talented and they

0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:51.440
<v Speaker 1>gave up something at least to acquire him, and he's

0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 1>aently shown for a full season he can be a

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.000
<v Speaker 1>dominant big league relief farm that you know, even if

0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 1>he gave up three runs and six innings, like you

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>just kind of shrug shoulders at that, because they're looking

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 1>for a tune up, They're not looking for close out

0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 1>a spring training win. I'm remember a couple of conversations

0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 1>we had with guys at spring training last year who

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:16.959
<v Speaker 1>were the year prior on the roster bubble and had

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to worry about performing and not giving up runs in

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 1>spring training, but then the year after there was so

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 1>much less of a worry of going out there and

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 1>just working on yourself essentially and not worrying too much

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:31.520
<v Speaker 1>about the results. More looking at and by throwing the

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 1>right pitch in the right count, is my velocity good, etc.

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, that's what Gregory Santos wants to see,

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and I think that's what the Mariners themselves would qualify

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 1>as a breakout.

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fair, no doubt. If they see the stuff that

0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 2>they want to see from Gregory Santos, that's what's most important.

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 2>We had one of those conversations with Gabe last spring.

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Gabe spire, Oh, okay, yeah, he had an outing where, yeah,

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't his best outing, but again, it's spring training.

0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:00.959
<v Speaker 2>It's not always about the results. As I'm like, how

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 2>did it feel yesterday, It's like, dude, honestly felt awesome.

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I know it wasn't my best outing, but I was

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 2>everything I wanted to work on and get done in

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 2>that outing. I did, and then he went out and

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:11.959
<v Speaker 2>had an awesome April. If you remember, he was one

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 2>of baseball's best relievers in the month of April. So yeah,

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 2>spring training results don't always matter. Logan Gilbert said something similar.

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I remember he had a start that wasn't his best

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 2>in spring training. It's not uncommon at all for guys

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 2>who are just getting warmed up, and similar thing. He said, Yeah, like,

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 2>I felt good, I did what I wanted to do

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 2>in that outing. It just the results weren't perfect. But

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 2>this is what spring training's for.

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 1>And I remember asking Gabe if this was last year,

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 1>would you be freaking out right now?

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, yeah, but since he was so great

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 2>in twenty three, he didn't have to, right, he had

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 2>earned his roster spot, right, and by the way, he's

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 2>a guy the Mariners are banking on again in twenty

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 2>five to bounce back, and I've talked about that plenty.

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 2>If he's healthy, I think he will, and that's a

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 2>guy they really need.

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Do we qualify that as like, that's not a breakout,

0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>but that would be I mean, that would be enough

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>to borderline and on this honorable mentioned list. If we

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 1>see our guy like Gabe go out there and have

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 1>seven dominant outings, oh yeah, that's.

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 2>More of a bounce back because well, you know what, though,

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 2>then he's in the same bucket as Gregory Santo's just on.

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:16.960
<v Speaker 2>It's just Santos was on a different team. Greg You're

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 2>in twenty three down year in twenty four, bounces back

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 2>in twenty five. Yeah, it's probably the same bucket.

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 1>And for Gabe, he hadn't had him and Santos at

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 1>that point, it each would have had one full dominant

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 1>big league season and then scattering.

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Right right, Yeah, similar bucket. I think Santos there's a

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:38.280
<v Speaker 2>little bit more of an intrigue and a little bit

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 2>more of an unknown because again, people haven't seen him

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:44.280
<v Speaker 2>dominate in a Mariner uniform yet. But that is a

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 2>long honorable mention. What's that?

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>And he's a little younger, a little younger that was

0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 1>a long honorable.

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Mention, but an honorable mention regardless, because he's gonna be

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 2>really important.

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't think any any anyone is gonna be surprised

0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 1>when I say I want to see Ryan Bliss break

0:32:57.680 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>out this spring training, as he's my first honorable mention.

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>The second base position is going to be a common

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 1>theme from what I choose, and I'm gonna start with

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 1>the guy as an honorable mention who saw some time

0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 1>in the big leagues last year and had some success. Therefore,

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>can it be a total breakout for Ryan Bliss? Well,

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>I think the guy the guy did choose at second

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 1>base hasn't played a big league game yet, therefore he

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 1>gets to earn the honorable mention instead. But I still

0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:29.760
<v Speaker 1>want to see a lot from Ryan Bliss, and I

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:32.080
<v Speaker 1>think the Maritas would be so excited to see what

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Ryan Bliss could do in spring training. Hitters are a

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 1>little bit different than pictures when it comes to spring training.

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Pictures have, as we've talked about, specific things they want

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 1>to work on in spring training, and hitters do too.

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:52.280
<v Speaker 1>But hitters want to see results in spring. Well, they

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 1>ultimately matter when the season rolls around. Maybe maybe not.

0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Like remember remember the twenty fifteen spring with Mike Sanino

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:02.960
<v Speaker 1>and Chris Bryant going at it for the Cactus League

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 1>home run home run title. Yeah, Zinino got sent down

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:09.000
<v Speaker 1>that year.

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:10.319
<v Speaker 2>I believe right he did.

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I see. So it just doesn't It just doesn't

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:15.719
<v Speaker 1>matter all that much the results because you can you

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>can never tell. But I'm sure Ryan Bliss would love

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 1>to see some results because guess what, I'm thinking that

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.480
<v Speaker 1>second base position is for the most part his for

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 1>the first two months of the season.

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 2>And going forward, if Bliss is hitting the second base position,

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 2>maybe Bliss and the guy you're gonna highlight here in

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:37.800
<v Speaker 2>a couple of minutes, because that would be essentially a

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 2>platoon roll over at the position, and then you move

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Dylan Moore back to being a utility player where he's

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 2>best suited.

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:46.720
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, if you look at the broad stroke of Bliss's

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four season, you see he was about a

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 1>league average hitter. He was worth about half a win

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>in a handful of games. He struck out thirty one

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 1>percent of the time. He struggled with velocity. He swung

0:34:58.040 --> 0:34:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and missed a lot, which is expected from a young

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:04.120
<v Speaker 1>player making his major league debut. But then you look

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 1>at some of the other numbers with Ryan Bliss and

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:09.320
<v Speaker 1>what he offered up last year. A twenty one percent

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 1>chase rate, which is borderline elite. You look at his

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:15.800
<v Speaker 1>hard hit rate of forty six and a half percent,

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty good. You look at his launch angle sweet

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 1>spot percentage, which is the percent of time you are

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 1>getting it between eight degrees and thirty two degrees, which

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 1>is the ideal place to hit a baseball if you're

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>looking for damage. Ryan Bliss did that as well. You

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:35.840
<v Speaker 1>look at those numbers specifically, and you think there's a

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of encouragement there for a guy to have some

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 1>real success at the big league level this year. He's

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:43.920
<v Speaker 1>not going to be Robinson Cano at the plate, but

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 1>at least you know he does do things well and

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 1>for a player of his size, he's got some pop

0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:51.320
<v Speaker 1>in that bat, which I think people are going to

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 1>be really excited to see, and the Mariners are going

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 1>to if they're going to be successful this season, have

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:59.439
<v Speaker 1>to see success from him. There are reasons why he's

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to play even after my breakout candidate gets

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.480
<v Speaker 1>up to the big leagues this year and plays that.

0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Ryan Bliss is gonna have to continue playing and playing

0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>well at second base, that is, unless you want Demo

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Lyle to play more second base. I would rather see

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Ryan Bliss.

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah again, I say it all the time. I know

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm a demo guy, but he is best suited in

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:25.400
<v Speaker 2>a utility role to move around wherever he's needed, not

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 2>to be playing one position all the time. And yeah,

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Bliss is younger, He's got a little more upside at

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:32.759
<v Speaker 2>this point. Plus with everything he has the potential to

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:35.359
<v Speaker 2>do with the bat, he's a good defender too, something

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 2>the Mariners don't usually get at second base. Now. He

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.319
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have the strongest arm in the world, that's for sure,

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:42.800
<v Speaker 2>but in terms of his range and his defense with

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 2>the glove, he's a good defender.

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:48.280
<v Speaker 1>And that matters and runs really well, which the Mariners

0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 1>need a lot of, right, right, So there's a lot

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 1>of There's a lot of reasons to think Ryan Bliss

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:56.640
<v Speaker 1>can be successful to spring, and in his case, a

0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 1>successful spring I think will help a lot when he

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 1>makes the Mariners roster in April, it's cold and he

0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:05.839
<v Speaker 1>needs some confidence at the plate to get himself going offensively. Yeah,

0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 1>let me get to my do you have it more thing?

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh and just look, I know there was plenty of

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:12.439
<v Speaker 2>talk all off season about the second base spot, plenty

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 2>of it by us.

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:17.320
<v Speaker 1>But this stands by the way, well it stands, it stands.

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 2>But you know what also stands is, I would love, love,

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 2>love to see Ryan Bliss break out because we've talked

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 2>about plenty another one of these guys who is incredibly

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:29.400
<v Speaker 2>easy to root for. It might be we've said this

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:31.320
<v Speaker 2>about a bunch of guys, but he's in this conversation

0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:33.279
<v Speaker 2>might be the nicest guy in the whole org.

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my next TONOA will mention Hunter Cranton.

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm, that's a good one. Hunter Cranton, for those

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 2>who don't know, was drafted last year, third round last

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.399
<v Speaker 2>year as a reliever. Now, some of you might say

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:53.839
<v Speaker 2>Mariners drafted a reliever in the third round. Well, they

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:56.279
<v Speaker 2>use so much money on the first two picks, and

0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 2>rightfully so, because both the picks look awesome so far,

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:03.800
<v Speaker 2>with Gerangelo Sanja and then overslotting Ryan Sloan in the

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:06.759
<v Speaker 2>second round, that the rest of that draft was used

0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 2>on a lot of guys you were able to give

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 2>a little less money to. And when you draft a

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 2>reliever in the third round, he's probably not signing for

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:15.280
<v Speaker 2>slot value. It's probably gonna be less than that. Hence

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 2>therow in Hunter Cranton, who you get for under slot.

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:21.359
<v Speaker 2>And fast forward to now. He could be this year's

0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:23.319
<v Speaker 2>Troy Taylor, where he's up in the big leagues by

0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 2>the end of this year.

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 1>And that's what the Mariners had mind that they thought

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:32.160
<v Speaker 1>last year that he could have. There was like this

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 1>long shot outside chance he makes the big leagues when

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>they drafted him last year. Because they drafted him, he's

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:41.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty four already as a as a college senior. He's

0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:44.279
<v Speaker 1>twenty four, by the way, older than Troy Taylor. He

0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 1>is a full year older than Troy Taylor is. But

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 1>if you remember the Troy Taylor arc of last season,

0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 1>he started the year in twenty twenty four in Everett,

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 1>then went to Arkansas, then went to the big leagues.

0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Hunter Crentton is going to start the year. I think

0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:04.239
<v Speaker 1>in every right it's gonna Everett or Arkansas. It could

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:06.799
<v Speaker 1>be either, because he's gonna be twenty five this year

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:11.239
<v Speaker 1>and he's only a reliever. So there's no let me

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 1>frame this, let me frame this correctly. There's not much

0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:17.719
<v Speaker 1>development left. It's just is he good enough to get

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 1>big leaguers out or not?

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:22.440
<v Speaker 2>If he has a good spring. Would you be shocked

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 2>at all to see him just start in Arkansas?

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 1>No, I wouldn't be me either. It's gonna be one

0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:32.320
<v Speaker 1>of those two Troy had. Troy was good in twenty

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.640
<v Speaker 1>twenty three, but he wasn't twenty twenty four level good therefore,

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:38.000
<v Speaker 1>and he was younger, so more of a reason to

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:41.000
<v Speaker 1>put him in Everett Cranton. Though again, he's gonna be

0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:43.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty five this year. Once you're twenty five and you're

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 1>already just a reliever, it's sink or swim, and they're

0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna That's why they're gonna put him in Arkansas. If

0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:51.520
<v Speaker 1>they put him in Arkansas and he struggles a lot,

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:55.720
<v Speaker 1>then they'll know what they have. But this dude throws

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.520
<v Speaker 1>ninety nine, topping out at one hundred with his fastball,

0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:01.759
<v Speaker 1>and then as a slider they fifty one rate.

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:04.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd say that's pretty good.

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:07.279
<v Speaker 1>I'd say that someone who could really help out the

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Mariner's bullpen, a bullpen that we have noted over and

0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:12.920
<v Speaker 1>over and over again, has a big question mark over

0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:14.280
<v Speaker 1>its head going into this season.

0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. That right there is the bread and butter

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:22.280
<v Speaker 2>of a dominant bullpen arm, especially in Seattle. Right hander,

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:25.279
<v Speaker 2>hard bastball slider that gets a bunch of swing and mess.

0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 2>That is a Mariner's reliever. What do they love? Right

0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 2>handers with good basketballs and good sliders. That's what that's

0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Harner Crampton.

0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 1>And he's gonna be I would mention he's gonna be

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 1>in camp among the longest of any of these guys.

0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, which very much helps.

0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Definitely. Are we ready for the highlighted headline breakout stars,

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:52.640
<v Speaker 2>let's do it. My pick for this our guy, Brandon Garcia,

0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 2>if you do not know the name yet, Brandon Garcia

0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:58.480
<v Speaker 2>won Mariner's minor League Pitcher of the Year last year.

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:02.240
<v Speaker 2>He was a starter eleventh round pick. He was drafted

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:05.200
<v Speaker 2>out of Texas A and m started at Quinnipiac, but

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 2>he comes into last year essentially an unknown. He goes

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:12.719
<v Speaker 2>out and between Everett and Arkansas puts up a two

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:16.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty five ERA for the year as a starter for

0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 2>the most part, but the Mariners have him as a

0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:22.279
<v Speaker 2>reliever heading into spring at least for this year, they

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.319
<v Speaker 2>plan to throw Garcia out of the bullpen and see

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.960
<v Speaker 2>what he's got. And honestly, while Cranpton may take some

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:32.400
<v Speaker 2>more time, Brandon Garcia is a guy that, while it

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:35.359
<v Speaker 2>may be a bit of a long shot, could legitimately

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.720
<v Speaker 2>crack this roster out of spring training as a reliever.

0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 2>If he goes out and he dominates in spring training

0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:45.799
<v Speaker 2>and he overpowers hitters, the Mariners may say, we've seen

0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 2>what we need to see from you as a reliever.

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:50.759
<v Speaker 2>You're going to Seattle. And if Brandon Garcia pitches out

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:52.840
<v Speaker 2>of a bullpen for the Mariners this year with this

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:56.839
<v Speaker 2>idea that he could be this dominant left handed arm who,

0:41:56.920 --> 0:42:00.319
<v Speaker 2>by the way, could absolutely be stretched out out as

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:03.280
<v Speaker 2>a multi inning guy given his background as a starter,

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:06.759
<v Speaker 2>he breaks out, you keep talking about this bullpen that

0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 2>needs reinforcements. You get a left hander back there that's

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 2>as tall and lanky as Brandon Garcia with a fastball

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.959
<v Speaker 2>that runs from the mid to upper nineties with three secondaries.

0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:19.120
<v Speaker 2>That's a big arsenal for a relief pitcher. And if

0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 2>he does all that and it all clicks, the upside

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:26.360
<v Speaker 2>for this is I'm not gonna say Andrew Miller, but

0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:29.359
<v Speaker 2>it's that idea, right. I'm not gonna put that type

0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:31.520
<v Speaker 2>of lofty comp on Beiji just as a guy that

0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 2>is trying to make the club out of camp. But

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.520
<v Speaker 2>it is that idea of a multi inning left handed

0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:38.399
<v Speaker 2>reliever with big stuff that gets a bunch of outs

0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:40.560
<v Speaker 2>and that would be massively valuable.

0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 1>The versatility here is what makes this so exciting. I

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:47.279
<v Speaker 1>think back to last year, the idea the Mariners had

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:49.879
<v Speaker 1>for Logan Evans, our guy, Logan Evans, who again we're

0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:51.239
<v Speaker 1>gonna hope to have him on the pod here soon,

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:57.320
<v Speaker 1>been communicating hopefully before the season starts. But remember Logan,

0:42:57.800 --> 0:43:01.720
<v Speaker 1>they tried moving him to really last year during the season,

0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:04.439
<v Speaker 1>didn't like what they saw and they moved They moved

0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 1>him out and kept him as a starter, in which

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:10.080
<v Speaker 1>she that's how he finished the season. I have a feeling,

0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Lyle that they might still stretch out Brandon Garcia in

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 1>the minors just as a normal starter, because Garcia and

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:25.319
<v Speaker 1>the Maritors in Garcia understand that his values at its

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:30.359
<v Speaker 1>highest when he starts, so they'll I feel like at

0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:36.440
<v Speaker 1>this point they have an idea of how Garcia pitches

0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:38.200
<v Speaker 1>in shorter stints, because that's what they had to do

0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:42.279
<v Speaker 1>with him last year. Down towards the end of last year,

0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:44.560
<v Speaker 1>he was on an innings limit and they started throwing

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.440
<v Speaker 1>him only three to four innings. Well, if he's going

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:50.520
<v Speaker 1>to be in the bullpen, maybe not three innings but two.

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:53.240
<v Speaker 1>As you mentioned, as more of a stretched out, long reliever,

0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:55.920
<v Speaker 1>they've had an idea of how that stuff plays up

0:43:56.000 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 1>in those shorter stints going into but going into the

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:05.640
<v Speaker 1>spring training, the idea of Brandon Garcia as a reliever

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 1>is phenomenal. He's got the stuff. He's a lefty, and

0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:13.960
<v Speaker 1>right now, the two lefties you have in this bullpen

0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:18.680
<v Speaker 1>don't have the overpowering stuff Gabe at times. But Garcia

0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:21.120
<v Speaker 1>throws ninety nine. Gabe does not throw ninety nine, and

0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:22.919
<v Speaker 1>Gabe would tell you that he doesn't throw ninety nine.

0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:27.080
<v Speaker 1>So just because you have that ability or brand and

0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Garcia makes this so enticing, I still do feel like Dolile,

0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 1>they're going to buy the end of spring he's still

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:37.320
<v Speaker 1>going to be stretched out to about four innings. I

0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:41.439
<v Speaker 1>feel like I feel like if they if they want

0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:46.920
<v Speaker 1>him to, I think they feel like it would be

0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:50.880
<v Speaker 1>better for his development if he kept throwing in longer stints,

0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 1>but they could still throw him in the bullpen if

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to.

0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:58.400
<v Speaker 2>So let's make this clear. It was reported that they

0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:00.640
<v Speaker 2>are looking at him as a true pen option for

0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five. They made that clear. That's been reported

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:06.160
<v Speaker 2>out there. That being said, you just feel like that

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 2>they may choose to go that route with him just

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:10.640
<v Speaker 2>in case he does not make the roster and then

0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:13.600
<v Speaker 2>he's still got the ability to throw as a starter

0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:15.640
<v Speaker 2>and maybe they use him in three inning spurts as

0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:18.480
<v Speaker 2>a starter down in double A for when they eventually

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:20.799
<v Speaker 2>decide that it is his turn to be called upon

0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:23.520
<v Speaker 2>and he'll be ready for it, rather than going from

0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:24.880
<v Speaker 2>a reliever to a starter.

0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Two points on this. First of all, I heard Divish

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:31.560
<v Speaker 1>on Pucks Podcast talking about he thinks that's what they're

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:34.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna do. So, like, when we trust Ryan Davish's information,

0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:38.680
<v Speaker 1>So if he says that, I will, I'll believe it.

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:41.800
<v Speaker 1>The second point of it is, if you're trying to

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:44.719
<v Speaker 1>help him develop here in spring, why would you want

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:45.600
<v Speaker 1>to change what works?

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So clarify when when Divis said that's what they're

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:50.880
<v Speaker 2>gonna do on Puck's Podcast.

0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:52.239
<v Speaker 1>You mean they're gonna stretch them out.

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna stretch him out. Yeah, which makes sense because

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:57.560
<v Speaker 2>again it's it's much easier to go from starter to

0:45:57.600 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 2>reliever than reliever to starter. So sure, he may be

0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:02.719
<v Speaker 2>stretched out. He may throw as a starter during spring

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:04.360
<v Speaker 2>training because, like you said, that's where his value is

0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:06.719
<v Speaker 2>still going to be the highest. Post twenty twenty five,

0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:08.759
<v Speaker 2>he may still be a starter. We'll see how it

0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 2>all goes. We'll see what the rest of the prospects

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:13.920
<v Speaker 2>look like in terms of the pitchers. But if they

0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:15.879
<v Speaker 2>feel like they need him in twenty twenty five out

0:46:15.880 --> 0:46:18.279
<v Speaker 2>of the bullpen, I think you could see him out

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 2>of the bullpen. But yes, he's gonna be an option, yes,

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:23.839
<v Speaker 2>and it makes sense to stretch him out as a starter.

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:27.279
<v Speaker 2>You might as well because you have the option. But

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 2>if we are just looking now, getting back to the

0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:32.560
<v Speaker 2>idea of a breakout candidate who could really make a

0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 2>difference for the Mariners this year, it's him, and it's

0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 2>him as a reliever. I would love to see Brandon

0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Garcia get a chance to keep starting. I hope he does,

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:43.040
<v Speaker 2>but in this current rotation, there's just not a ton

0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:46.440
<v Speaker 2>of window for opportunity. Considering these five starters are the

0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:49.280
<v Speaker 2>best in baseball, but Brandon Garcia out of a bullpen,

0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:51.399
<v Speaker 2>especially if he's going to be a multi inning guy,

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:55.080
<v Speaker 2>that is something you can dream on, because the Mirrors

0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:59.880
<v Speaker 2>have not had a truly hard throwing dominant left handed

0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:02.240
<v Speaker 2>like that in a long time. Again, Gabe and Sauce

0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:04.319
<v Speaker 2>are a little bit different. Really good arms when they're

0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:07.560
<v Speaker 2>at their best, but they're more finesse guys strike throwers.

0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 2>You know. Sauce gets ground balls. Gavee throws a ton

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:13.800
<v Speaker 2>of strikes. Garcia is somebody that can overpower guys in

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 2>that bullpen, especially if he's gonna max out for an

0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 2>inning at a time, and you see that stuff play up,

0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:23.120
<v Speaker 2>that's really exciting. Think about this. Imagine if Logan goes

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 2>five and a third one day, Garcia comes in, he

0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:29.960
<v Speaker 2>goes an inning and two thirds, pumping upper nineties, getting

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:32.440
<v Speaker 2>swings and misses, and that gets you through seven and

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:35.040
<v Speaker 2>then you get some combo of Brash Santos Munnos eight

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:36.160
<v Speaker 2>and nine. That's pretty cool.

0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:40.160
<v Speaker 1>That would be pretty fun. There's just not many lefties

0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:43.600
<v Speaker 1>like that in baseball, to be honest, No, it makes

0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:46.520
<v Speaker 1>you more unicorn. Like we know, the Mariners love to

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:50.000
<v Speaker 1>have different looks up and down the roster. Brandon Garcia,

0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:53.400
<v Speaker 1>by the way, very different look. If you're unfamiliar with

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:57.280
<v Speaker 1>his delivery, go check it out. It is. It's unique,

0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:01.080
<v Speaker 1>especially for a lefty. If you're standing in that lefty

0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:05.000
<v Speaker 1>batter's box, the ball starts out at you, which is

0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:06.080
<v Speaker 1>very hard to pick up.

0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Is it almost a little Garrett Crochet esque? Is that fair?

0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 1>The delivery a little bit? A little bit, It's definitely

0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:13.879
<v Speaker 1>not over the top.

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. Again, this is why I'm not gonna put

0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:20.319
<v Speaker 2>the idea of an Andrew millercomp on him, because it's

0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:23.680
<v Speaker 2>just not fair. But it is that idea that I'm

0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 2>sure the Mariners are thinking about with again, hard throwing,

0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:30.520
<v Speaker 2>tall lanky, left handed reliever who could go multiple innings.

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Now, let me again reframe the question, what does a

0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Beg breakout look like.

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:41.600
<v Speaker 2>In spring training? Yeah, well, a lot of people haven't

0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:44.080
<v Speaker 2>even really gotten to see him pitch. You've seen some

0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 2>highlights from the Mariner's Miners account and through social media.

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:50.880
<v Speaker 2>But if people get their eyes on him this spring,

0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:54.080
<v Speaker 2>and similar to what we talked about with the relievers,

0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:57.040
<v Speaker 2>number one, the stuff is up. But two, you're seeing

0:48:57.160 --> 0:49:02.840
<v Speaker 2>him consistently show out and really miss bats over a

0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:07.719
<v Speaker 2>multi inning stretch. That's what I call a breakout. Because, look,

0:49:07.719 --> 0:49:09.520
<v Speaker 2>if Brandon Garcia is a one inning reliever, he's a

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:11.480
<v Speaker 2>one inning reliever, and if that's where he's his best,

0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:13.799
<v Speaker 2>then great, use him in the way that it works best.

0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:15.879
<v Speaker 2>But this idea of him being a multi inning guy.

0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:18.080
<v Speaker 2>If he's going two three innings at a time in

0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:22.200
<v Speaker 2>spring training in these games and he's putting up zeros

0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:25.120
<v Speaker 2>and he's missing bats, that's what I call a breakout.

0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Because if he's doing that, I think it's gonna get

0:49:28.520 --> 0:49:32.840
<v Speaker 2>really really interesting with what they do with Brandon Garcia

0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:35.880
<v Speaker 2>come Opening Day. In fact, there's probably gonna be some

0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:39.720
<v Speaker 2>people in that org that are gonna be really excited

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:41.719
<v Speaker 2>about what he can or not. Probably, of course, if

0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:43.600
<v Speaker 2>he goes out and pitches like that, there's gonna be

0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:46.440
<v Speaker 2>people in that org that would be really excited about

0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:49.799
<v Speaker 2>what he has the potential to do. And if that's

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:53.480
<v Speaker 2>the case, he's gonna make a real real push to

0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:55.440
<v Speaker 2>get on that opening day roster, even if it's a

0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:58.279
<v Speaker 2>long shot. If he dominates, that's gonna be a fun

0:49:58.280 --> 0:49:59.960
<v Speaker 2>conversation to have with what you do with him?

0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Ready for my breakout candidate, Yeah, surprise, it's Cole Young,

0:50:08.200 --> 0:50:11.720
<v Speaker 1>whoa in case you couldn't tell by all the hints

0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:14.719
<v Speaker 1>and essentially dead giveaways of what I was doing when

0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:18.240
<v Speaker 1>talking about Ryan Bliss, my breakout candidate for the Mariners

0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:22.520
<v Speaker 1>this spring training is Cole Young. And this seems almost

0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:25.759
<v Speaker 1>too obvious because Cole Young almost certainly is going to

0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:29.440
<v Speaker 1>be a Mariner by June. Mariners don't have any sort

0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:32.600
<v Speaker 1>of solidity at second base. Cole Young is one of

0:50:32.600 --> 0:50:35.239
<v Speaker 1>the Mariner's top prospects. He's a former first round pick,

0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:38.080
<v Speaker 1>and he's been very successful up and down the Miners.

0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:40.880
<v Speaker 1>That tells you that at some point he's going to

0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:43.160
<v Speaker 1>be playing for the Mariners every single day or what

0:50:43.320 --> 0:50:45.560
<v Speaker 1>you would hope. Maybe that won't be this year, but

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:48.320
<v Speaker 1>he's certainly going to play in some aspect, and I

0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:50.799
<v Speaker 1>want that to start at spring training for Cole Young.

0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:52.759
<v Speaker 1>I look at Cole Young and what he did at

0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas this past year in a place that's really tough

0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:58.240
<v Speaker 1>to hit, He's still put up a one nineteen WRC,

0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:01.719
<v Speaker 1>plus he had twenty five doubles. He only struck out

0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:05.960
<v Speaker 1>fifteen point eight percent of the time. I ask, I

0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:09.120
<v Speaker 1>ask you, Lyle, looking at what Cole Young put up

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:13.320
<v Speaker 1>a two seventy one, three sixty nine three ninety slash

0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:18.080
<v Speaker 1>line with that w orc plus I mentioned, is there

0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:21.279
<v Speaker 1>anything left you feel like in the minor leagues for

0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Cole Young? Like, what is it? Is it?

0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:24.400
<v Speaker 2>The is it?

0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Does he need to hit six more home runs?

0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Is that it? I was gonna say, a little bit

0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 2>of power, additional power would be great to see. He's

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:35.960
<v Speaker 2>never gonna be a twenty five home run guy, but

0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:39.040
<v Speaker 2>just a little bit more power paired with I think

0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:41.279
<v Speaker 2>he could just still use some more at bats. He

0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:44.120
<v Speaker 2>hasn't had that many at bats in the minor leagues.

0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:46.640
<v Speaker 2>This is the guy that was drafted in twenty twenty one.

0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:49.520
<v Speaker 2>He's really only had two full seasons after being an

0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:51.400
<v Speaker 2>eighteen year old first rounder out of high school. So

0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the Mariners say they're probably gonna start him in Triple

0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:56.080
<v Speaker 2>A and to see what he could do against some

0:51:56.760 --> 0:51:59.600
<v Speaker 2>essentially Quad A arms aka guys that have big league

0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:02.400
<v Speaker 2>experience and have thrown plenty of innings up in the majors.

0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:04.279
<v Speaker 2>To see what he can do against some guys like that,

0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:06.600
<v Speaker 2>For a few weeks time and see how he handles

0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:09.640
<v Speaker 2>it would be great. And also see that look while

0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:12.720
<v Speaker 2>the pcls a bambox and we know that offensive numbers

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:15.719
<v Speaker 2>can get vastly inflated. I would be interested to see

0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:17.960
<v Speaker 2>what his approach looks like against some of those guys too.

0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Aka does the walk right stay up? There's a strikeout

0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:23.680
<v Speaker 2>rates day down? Do his bats still look quality? I

0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:25.680
<v Speaker 2>think seeing some of that for six to eight weeks

0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:28.719
<v Speaker 2>would be pretty valuable for Cole Young and for the

0:52:28.800 --> 0:52:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Mariners before making a decision on when his time has

0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:34.799
<v Speaker 2>come to get called up.

0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:38.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of a scenario here where Cole Young goes

0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:41.920
<v Speaker 1>into spring training and he tears it up, and we

0:52:42.080 --> 0:52:44.919
<v Speaker 1>get to the final week of spring training, he's still

0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:48.000
<v Speaker 1>on still at big league camp, or let's say within

0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:50.359
<v Speaker 1>the final two weeks of spring training that he's still

0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:53.040
<v Speaker 1>in big league camp, he's still in the starting lineup,

0:52:53.239 --> 0:52:55.560
<v Speaker 1>and he's having a ton of success. He's playing good defense,

0:52:55.560 --> 0:52:58.239
<v Speaker 1>he's running the bases, he's doing all of this. And

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:01.480
<v Speaker 1>say he's one of the most valuable members of the

0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:03.799
<v Speaker 1>entire Cactus League. And you sit there and you think,

0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I feel like we have reached the twenty twenty one

0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Jared Keelnick situation. At this point, here we have a

0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:12.640
<v Speaker 1>hole at second base. Here, we have a top prospect

0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:16.000
<v Speaker 1>who's playing against big leaguers and having an immense amount

0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:20.440
<v Speaker 1>of success. There's gonna be a really tough, tough decision

0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:23.080
<v Speaker 1>to make for Jerry to Poto in company on what

0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:25.480
<v Speaker 1>to do with Cole Young, because I feel like there

0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:28.520
<v Speaker 1>has not been a prospect that has pushed them to

0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:32.600
<v Speaker 1>that Jared Kelnick twenty twenty one conversation, until we see

0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Cole Young do it this year. Cole Emerson might be better,

0:53:35.719 --> 0:53:37.839
<v Speaker 1>but he's not gonna hit his way onto the big

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:41.360
<v Speaker 1>league roster out of spring training. That's not happening. But

0:53:41.520 --> 0:53:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Cole Young has that opportunity.

0:53:43.800 --> 0:53:44.239
<v Speaker 2>To do so.

0:53:45.000 --> 0:53:47.719
<v Speaker 1>There is one glaring thing that Cole needs to work on. Though.

0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:54.160
<v Speaker 1>His performance against lefties is historically not been very good

0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:56.640
<v Speaker 1>in the minors. He's played now three seasons of minor

0:53:56.719 --> 0:54:00.319
<v Speaker 1>league baseball. He's yet to slug against lefties above three

0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:01.040
<v Speaker 1>point fifteen.

0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:05.840
<v Speaker 1>That's not great. Cole does get on bass versus lefties.

0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:07.839
<v Speaker 1>He got a head a three fifty five on base

0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 1>versus his lefties in twenty twenty four in a three

0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:14.200
<v Speaker 1>ninety four on base in twenty twenty three. But when

0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:18.759
<v Speaker 1>you move up levels and lefties realize you can't hit

0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:21.440
<v Speaker 1>against them, they're gonna stop throwing you balls. They're just

0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:24.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna throw you strikes and know that you can't do

0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:27.200
<v Speaker 1>much damage against it. Is Cole Young gonna be able

0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:29.960
<v Speaker 1>to show that he can do damage against lefties this year.

0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:32.920
<v Speaker 1>That's what I think the Mariners want to know. They

0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:34.879
<v Speaker 1>want Cole Young to be able to play every day

0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:37.759
<v Speaker 1>at this current rate. Based on what he's done in

0:54:37.800 --> 0:54:42.520
<v Speaker 1>the minors against lefties, you don't have as much confidence

0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:46.080
<v Speaker 1>he plays every single day and has enough impact to

0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:49.360
<v Speaker 1>play every single day. You need to see those numbers

0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:51.400
<v Speaker 1>come up a little bit, which is where Ryan Bliss

0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:54.160
<v Speaker 1>comes in. Ryan Bliss could hit against those lefties and

0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Cole Young could hit against those rights. But Cole Young's

0:54:57.400 --> 0:55:00.160
<v Speaker 1>a first round pick. You want him to play every

0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:02.600
<v Speaker 1>single day, hit fifteen home runs and have a one

0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:05.359
<v Speaker 1>to ten WORC plus. That's what I think they're gonna

0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:06.960
<v Speaker 1>want to see when he's in Triple A and he's

0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:10.360
<v Speaker 1>facing former big leaguers who can land breaking balls in

0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:12.440
<v Speaker 1>the strike zone. How was he going to handle that.

0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:16.719
<v Speaker 1>That's why I think it is. It's an important spring

0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:19.040
<v Speaker 1>for him, and I would welcome a breakout. I would

0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:23.200
<v Speaker 1>welcome he faces lefties, he gets twenty Let's see, he

0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:25.440
<v Speaker 1>gets fifteen to twenty at bats ER's his lefties in

0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:27.640
<v Speaker 1>the spring and tears the cover off the ball. It

0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:29.640
<v Speaker 1>would make me feel a lot better, all right.

0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:32.080
<v Speaker 2>So there's a bunch to respond to with that. First off,

0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:36.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't think. I don't know if Cole Young and

0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Jared Keelnick are exactly perfect comps, because Kelnick was ahead

0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:44.880
<v Speaker 2>of where Cole was in terms of his development as

0:55:44.880 --> 0:55:45.400
<v Speaker 2>a prospect.

0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:50.560
<v Speaker 1>He was higher rated, but both were on the doorstep

0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:52.240
<v Speaker 1>of the big leagues at this point.

0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Kelnick had a little more success in Double A than

0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:58.919
<v Speaker 2>Cole probably has had so far. So that's bad. That's

0:55:59.000 --> 0:56:01.640
<v Speaker 2>there's that portion of it. The other part of this

0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:05.520
<v Speaker 2>is the Mariners, basically outside of Julio, do not rush

0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:08.239
<v Speaker 2>their prospects. Julio was such a unicorn that they said, okay,

0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:09.759
<v Speaker 2>what can we do? We have to put them on

0:56:09.760 --> 0:56:12.160
<v Speaker 2>the big league roster. The Mariners, for the most part,

0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:15.319
<v Speaker 2>take their time with most of their guys. You've seen

0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:18.680
<v Speaker 2>it with yeah, well maybe not in the Jacks forensic era,

0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:20.040
<v Speaker 2>but in the Depoto era they do.

0:56:21.280 --> 0:56:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Did they not rush Jared Kilnt They did. The Mariners

0:56:24.719 --> 0:56:25.600
<v Speaker 1>are right with kiln Nink.

0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they still rushed him, but again they did

0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:32.080
<v Speaker 2>not put him on the roster out in spring training.

0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Rushed him, right, But look at everybody else they rush

0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:44.720
<v Speaker 2>the capital a little bit kind I again, and especially

0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:46.440
<v Speaker 2>with their high school prospects, they do not do it

0:56:46.480 --> 0:56:50.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot. They don't rush those guys. So paired with that,

0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:52.080
<v Speaker 2>paired with that, he still has to hit lefties a

0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:55.160
<v Speaker 2>little bit better, which is the other big aspect of

0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:58.279
<v Speaker 2>this Cole Young dilemma with what they do in spring training.

0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:00.759
<v Speaker 2>That's why I think it would be Look, if he

0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:02.839
<v Speaker 2>breaks out in spring training, it'd be awesome, but it's

0:57:02.880 --> 0:57:05.680
<v Speaker 2>still hard to imagine a world where he is definitively

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<v Speaker 2>on the roster come opening day of twenty twenty five.

0:57:10.640 --> 0:57:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh and here's the other part of this you mentioned.

0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:15.799
<v Speaker 2>They want him to play every day. Absolutely, they want

0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Cole Young to play every day long term. In year one.

0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:21.880
<v Speaker 2>They may not put that on him. They may be

0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:24.480
<v Speaker 2>perfectly okay running out a platoon with him and either

0:57:24.560 --> 0:57:28.120
<v Speaker 2>Demo and Bliss in year one of his big league tenure,

0:57:28.560 --> 0:57:32.880
<v Speaker 2>and that's look, they want him to hit left these

0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:35.320
<v Speaker 2>There's no doubt because again, long term, they envision him

0:57:35.320 --> 0:57:37.960
<v Speaker 2>as their everyday second basement and I'm sure that's part

0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:39.640
<v Speaker 2>of the reason they'll probably want him to have a

0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:43.680
<v Speaker 2>little bit more development time come the minor league season

0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:47.600
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty five. But in twenty twenty five specifically,

0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:50.440
<v Speaker 2>I would assume they will ease him in by mostly

0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:51.880
<v Speaker 2>showing him right handed pitching.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to pick one reason why Cole Young's

0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:59.640
<v Speaker 1>got that opportunity though, to break out this spring. Is

0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:02.920
<v Speaker 1>there any one of the other thirty nine non roster

0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:05.000
<v Speaker 1>invites that's gonna play more than him.

0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:09.120
<v Speaker 2>No, And to that point of yours about let's say

0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:12.120
<v Speaker 2>he's in big league camp in the final week, I

0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:14.720
<v Speaker 2>think he will be. I don't even think that's a hypothetical.

0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:16.520
<v Speaker 2>I think he will be in big league camp until

0:58:16.560 --> 0:58:19.800
<v Speaker 2>the very very end. They're gonna get him as much

0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:22.200
<v Speaker 2>exposure in big league spring training as they possibly can.

0:58:22.560 --> 0:58:24.480
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't mean he's gonna be on the roster come

0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:27.400
<v Speaker 2>opening day, but I think they're gonna one. I think

0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:29.400
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna tell him that he has the right to

0:58:29.480 --> 0:58:31.400
<v Speaker 2>go out and earn that job in spring training, and

0:58:31.440 --> 0:58:33.000
<v Speaker 2>that's what you should tell him. You want to motivate

0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:36.520
<v Speaker 2>the guy. But I think you're gonna see him get plenty,

0:58:36.960 --> 0:58:40.080
<v Speaker 2>plenty of IT bats in big league spring And yes,

0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I do not think there's another non roster invite that

0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:45.080
<v Speaker 2>will play more than Cole Young. No, he's gonna get

0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:45.600
<v Speaker 2>a ton of time.

0:58:46.920 --> 0:58:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Have you seen his zips projections?

0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:55.800
<v Speaker 2>They're pretty good. I know two wins, which, like we've said,

0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:58.959
<v Speaker 2>if Cole Young is a two wins second baseman every

0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:00.840
<v Speaker 2>year of his career two to two and a half,

0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:03.840
<v Speaker 2>that is a top ten second basement in baseball. I'm

0:59:03.880 --> 0:59:05.720
<v Speaker 2>not saying that's an MVP winner. I'm not saying that's

0:59:05.760 --> 0:59:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Jose al Tuob because it's not. But second base is

0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:11.680
<v Speaker 2>a hard position to come by in terms of finding

0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:14.880
<v Speaker 2>consistent success across the league. There's not that many great

0:59:15.040 --> 0:59:17.400
<v Speaker 2>second basement And if Cole Jung's a two to two

0:59:17.400 --> 0:59:19.760
<v Speaker 2>and a half win player every year, especially in year one,

0:59:20.640 --> 0:59:22.840
<v Speaker 2>that is a guy who ranks in the seven to

0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:25.480
<v Speaker 2>ten range of second basement in baseball. Maras have not

0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:28.120
<v Speaker 2>had that in years, so If he does that, that

0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:31.480
<v Speaker 2>would be awesome, and the profile backs up the chance

0:59:31.560 --> 0:59:34.760
<v Speaker 2>for him to do that because again, good approach, Walks

0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:38.120
<v Speaker 2>doesn't strike out, good defense, bats ball, that can be

0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:40.840
<v Speaker 2>a two win guy. The lack of power probably makes

0:59:40.880 --> 0:59:42.600
<v Speaker 2>it hard to be a five to win guy. But

0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:44.080
<v Speaker 2>two to three win guy.

0:59:44.240 --> 0:59:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's crazy for someone who's not going to even

0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:50.680
<v Speaker 1>start to start the season in the big league roster.

0:59:51.080 --> 0:59:53.360
<v Speaker 1>So once to see. But I'm excited for all of

0:59:53.400 --> 0:59:55.720
<v Speaker 1>these guys to break out in spring training. And this

0:59:56.080 --> 0:59:59.440
<v Speaker 1>is as guys are reporting to spring training, this is

0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:02.000
<v Speaker 1>where the door of hope and optimism springs back in.

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<v Speaker 2>See. Isn't it great?

1:00:03.480 --> 1:00:03.760
<v Speaker 1>It is?

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<v Speaker 2>I was just sitting here thinking through this whole episode,

1:00:07.080 --> 1:00:10.320
<v Speaker 2>it's like, no more John Stanton, no more Chris Larson talk,

1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:15.200
<v Speaker 2>no more bullshit hypotheticals about off season hot stove transactions.

1:00:15.240 --> 1:00:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Now we can just talk about actual players and actual baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't even talk about Alex Spraegman signing with the

1:00:21.000 --> 1:00:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Red Sox, which is our ultimate hypothetical.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm, Tristan Costas not smart strategy. All right? Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry I broke the I broke it for a second.

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<v Speaker 2>I broke character. Anyway, last question to you before we

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<v Speaker 2>wrap this up, I'll ask the same question to you

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<v Speaker 2>as you asked me about my guys. What does Cole

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<v Speaker 2>Young have to do to qualify as a breakout.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty good at bats against lefties, looks good on defense,

1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:52.520
<v Speaker 1>just looks like he belongs like He essentially needs to

1:00:52.560 --> 1:00:54.920
<v Speaker 1>produce what he did in the miners last year, just

1:00:55.840 --> 1:00:58.120
<v Speaker 1>at the big league level in spring training. I think

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<v Speaker 1>of what he did at Arkansas totally fine as a

1:01:01.800 --> 1:01:06.880
<v Speaker 1>big leaguer, I don't. I don't think there's there's it's

1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:09.360
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to be too cute here with Cole Young.

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<v Speaker 1>He needs to control the strike zone. He needs to

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<v Speaker 1>walk a ton, he needs to not strike out a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>because he's not gonna hit for the power. To make

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<v Speaker 1>up for it, he's gonna need to get on base,

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<v Speaker 1>which is his specialty. He's gonna have to look good

1:01:20.800 --> 1:01:24.760
<v Speaker 1>at second base defensively and ultimately as they play him

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<v Speaker 1>every single day during the spring, hope he holds up

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<v Speaker 1>and make sure he looks like he belongs on that roster.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I want to see out of him. And

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<v Speaker 1>then hey, maybe how about three of those Three of

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<v Speaker 1>those at bats versus lefties, Go for go, go yard.

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<v Speaker 2>Please three home runs versus lefties?

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<v Speaker 1>Who why not show off?

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<v Speaker 2>If he hits three home runs in the spring training period,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that'd be great. A lot of guys don't

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<v Speaker 2>hit three home runs total in the spring. Julio sometimes

1:01:51.600 --> 1:01:53.120
<v Speaker 2>doesn't hit three homers in the spring. If he gets

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<v Speaker 2>three against lefties, that'd be great.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he said, want to see power against lefties? There's

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<v Speaker 1>no better way to show that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how about this?

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<v Speaker 1>In the simple answer, I want to see him look

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<v Speaker 1>like he belongs on the roster.

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<v Speaker 2>It's tough to put a number on it, but roughly,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to call it a seven eighty to

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<v Speaker 2>seven ninety ops in the spring? Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is about where he was this past year

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<v Speaker 1>in double A.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that'd be great. I'm excited for all these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many storylines that are that are gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be really fun to follow as spring training really gets

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<v Speaker 2>ramped up here and we're gonna be talking about it

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<v Speaker 2>because baseball season's finally back, and like TJ said, there

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<v Speaker 2>is real, real hope and optimism that you can take

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<v Speaker 2>into the spring, and now it's the season for it,

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<v Speaker 2>because now it's gonna be right in front of us

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<v Speaker 2>with spring training really getting going here, so we can't wait.

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