Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number two oh nine of the Marine
Speaker 1: Layer Podcast. The Mariners announced their new look twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five broadcast team. We'll talk about all the differences, and
Speaker 1: we'll also pick out a breakout Mariner as we enter
Speaker 1: spring training.
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Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you to this
Speaker 1: episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just
Speaker 1: Baseball podcast network. Recording on Thursday evening, February thirteenth. The
Speaker 1: Mariners reported to spring training this week. Oh so so happy.
Speaker 1: I have one takeaway already. It has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with baseball. Did you see the big letters You're back
Speaker 1: on the jerseys?
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank god.
Speaker 1: Our long national nightmare is over.
Speaker 2: That might have been one of the few things in
Speaker 2: this entire country where the opinions on that were one
Speaker 2: hundred percent to zero percent. And was there one single
Speaker 2: person out there that was like, you know what, I
Speaker 2: like the small letters, this is better. I don't miss
Speaker 2: the old jerseys at all. No, I don't think you
Speaker 2: could pull one person that said in with the new
Speaker 2: jerseys from last year.
Speaker 1: You know how we talked about Coachella jerseys. All those
Speaker 1: small letter jerseys are now officially Coachella jerseys because they're antiques.
Speaker 1: They're a one and done.
Speaker 2: For those who don't know, why don't you explain your
Speaker 2: definition of Coachella jerseys so everyone.
Speaker 1: I assume everyone knows what Coachella is, But if people
Speaker 1: are unfamiliar with Coachella, it's a music festival in Indio, California,
Speaker 1: during the spring. It's there in the spring, right about.
Speaker 1: Iwa washed. Okay, thank you glad. I'm not glad. I'm
Speaker 1: not dating myself here. So people like to dress up there, guys.
Speaker 1: It's a variety of what they dress, but a lot
Speaker 1: of people will wear jerseys there, and I think the
Speaker 1: best kind of jersey to wear. It's not like your
Speaker 1: most popular jersey, not something you'd wear out to a
Speaker 1: sports bar to if you're going to the Eagles victory
Speaker 1: parade today on Friday. For some reason, you're an Eagles
Speaker 1: fan and an MS fan listening listening to us, shout
Speaker 1: out to you, that's that would be amazing. But no,
Speaker 1: this is these are like the very niche jerseys, Like
Speaker 1: these are a player that you have, you had no
Speaker 1: idea that he played for that team. It's got to
Speaker 1: be a combination of very rare player with a very
Speaker 1: rare you know, hype of jersey. This is easier to
Speaker 1: do in the NBA that has more jerseys, Baseball less so,
Speaker 1: but think of like a Mariner's Coachella jersey. Toffy Gooeswitch
Speaker 1: is a Coachella jersey.
Speaker 2: Nobody owns that jersey.
Speaker 1: James Jones, what about that Tommy Lostella jersey?
Speaker 2: You saw That's a Coachella jersey. For those who missed it.
Speaker 2: Last year, there was legitimately somebody on Opening weekend wearing
Speaker 2: a City Connect Tommy Listella jersey and I asked this guy,
Speaker 2: why do you own this? And he's like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: my friends, it's not mine. He just led it to
Speaker 2: me for the day and I said, why does he
Speaker 2: own it? And he goes, I don't know. For a reference,
Speaker 2: Tommy Listella got cut the day before the first time
Speaker 2: the Mariners wore their City Connect jerseys. And it's not
Speaker 2: like those jerseys are any cheaper. It's not like because
Speaker 2: you get Tommy Listella over Julio it's cheaper. No, it's
Speaker 2: all the same price. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: So who is the who's the most Coachella worthy Mariter?
Speaker 2: There's a bunch. Doug Fister. Did people have his jersey
Speaker 2: back then?
Speaker 1: What about Edwin and Kernasione?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's one.
Speaker 1: Carlos Pagero, m Depth, that's one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, James Jones is a good one.
Speaker 1: Michael Saunders shuttle, Michael Saunders back in the org.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what. Oh, we're just yeah, we.
Speaker 1: Know I have one. Because he's now retired, we have
Speaker 1: to shout him out. Daniel vogelback, Oh.
Speaker 2: That's a good one. That is a good one. You
Speaker 2: know what, Now that he's a friend of ours, I'll
Speaker 2: just throw his out there too. Charlie Furbush jersey and Charlie.
Speaker 2: Charlie would probably agree if if he saw somebody wearing
Speaker 2: his jersey out at Coachelli. Yeah, that's warranted to.
Speaker 1: So we're in that bucket. Tom Whomeson qualifies.
Speaker 2: Man, there's a lot of good options, really good options.
Speaker 1: Who This is not something you can do with the Yankees.
Speaker 1: They have too many good players who stay on the
Speaker 1: team for too long. We need more, we need more variety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Mariners I feel like are perfect for that.
Speaker 2: They are. You know what My quick takeaway is, it's
Speaker 2: pretty much non baseball before we really get into things.
Speaker 2: They made some upgrades to the Puria Sports Complex. So
Speaker 2: there's a little less pavement area on the patio, which
Speaker 2: is basically the area that TJ and I'll stand and
Speaker 2: hang out and kind of just wait around for players
Speaker 2: to hopefully swing by. It's where more anyway, in all seriousness,
Speaker 2: that's where most of the media hangs out during spring
Speaker 2: training when they're not on the field. It's now more turf.
Speaker 2: They put in some more area for infield work next
Speaker 2: to the bullpen area. So they made some upgrades and
Speaker 2: it seems like now there's a little bit more of
Speaker 2: an area for position players in addition to where the
Speaker 2: pitchers will throw their bullpens so, yeah, the Mariners made
Speaker 2: some pretty cool upgrades to it. It looks like so
Speaker 2: I'm excited to go see it.
Speaker 1: Was it the camera angle that made it look like
Speaker 1: Kirby was throwing a bullpen somewhere else?
Speaker 2: No, it was the same spot again. The reason you
Speaker 2: didn't recognize it is because we're divish was standing recording
Speaker 2: those videos. Instead of being basically adjacent to the mound
Speaker 2: where he often will stand, this time he's at a
Speaker 2: different angle, and I think that's because of the new
Speaker 2: turf they put in, so now he has to stand
Speaker 2: somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Interesting. I'm excited to see it when we get down there.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to get some sunshine. It's snowed today. Great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, February is one busy month for us in a
Speaker 2: good way. And what does that involve. Well, one of
Speaker 2: those things is being down at spring Training, which we
Speaker 2: will be there from February twenty fourth through March first,
Speaker 2: so the last week of February. So if you are
Speaker 2: going to be there anywhere in that time span, like
Speaker 2: we keep saying, please please flag us down, let us know,
Speaker 2: love to meet up. Oh yeah, you know what in
Speaker 2: addition to that, if we're just talking about the busy
Speaker 2: month of February. Let's just talk about a couple other
Speaker 2: things here. Well, we just got back from DC, so
Speaker 2: fun trip with our friends. That's now concluded. Again, we're
Speaker 2: going down to spring training. Quick turnaround here in about
Speaker 2: ten days. In between them time, we've got our first
Speaker 2: live show coming up. Man, we know whoa one week
Speaker 2: away from time of recording this one week away when
Speaker 2: you guys listen, it'll be six days away. Thursday, February twentieth,
Speaker 2: six pm, moss By, Hall and Kirkland. Cannot cannot wait, guys,
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a blast. We've already gotten a bunch
Speaker 2: of feedback from people saying this sounds awesome. I can't
Speaker 2: wait to make it out. We hope all you guys
Speaker 2: are in that same boat, because it's not just gonna
Speaker 2: be some show where TJ and I stand up there
Speaker 2: and talk. No, we want to get all you guys involved.
Speaker 2: We want your questions. In fact, I'm giving a homework
Speaker 2: assignment to everybody that comes to the show. Come prepared
Speaker 2: with a question to ask us, because we want to
Speaker 2: hear from you whatever's on your mind, whether it's mariners,
Speaker 2: whether it's whatever you want to talk about. We're gonna
Speaker 2: answer it. We're also gonna be doing trivia with prizes
Speaker 2: to give away. If that's another incentive for you to go.
Speaker 2: There's another way to get in the door and be
Speaker 2: motivated to come hang out with us as trivia with
Speaker 2: prizes and if you need a third kicker, free to
Speaker 2: get in, no charge, free to get in, free to
Speaker 2: come hang out. So next Thursday, February twentieth to six pm,
Speaker 2: we can't wait.
Speaker 1: Sounds pretty fun. The food's good too, and the drinks,
Speaker 1: oh food, So you have no reason. You have legitimately
Speaker 1: zero reason to skip.
Speaker 2: So the smash burger at Maspe is unreal.
Speaker 1: It's really good. The pretzels we had the beignets last week,
Speaker 1: those are pretty good too. If you like fried dough, yeah,
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Speaker 1: First on the topic wheel today, Lyle. While we were
Speaker 1: on vacation, the Mariners finally well, actually, let me clarify this.
Speaker 1: Let me clarify. Mariners didn't announce anything yet, but it
Speaker 1: was reported by Adam Jude of what the changes in
Speaker 1: the Mariners broadcast booth will be this for this upcoming season.
Speaker 1: And as a couple of broadcasters, the two of us,
Speaker 1: this is right up our atley to talk about. Let's
Speaker 1: roll through it. So the details are. Dave Simms, of course,
Speaker 1: takes the job with the Yankees. He's out. Mike Flowers
Speaker 1: will not be returning to the Mariners broadcast team for
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five season. Very interesting. Aaron Goldsmith goes
Speaker 1: to lead TV play by play. Gary Hill gets elevated
Speaker 1: into Goldie's role on the radio. He's tabbed as the
Speaker 1: quote unquote radio analyst. But I'd imagine Gary's going to
Speaker 1: be getting innings every night now alongside Rickriz And then
Speaker 1: the Mariners are now going to rotate for color analysts
Speaker 1: alongside Aaron Goldsmith, Angie Mentink, Jay Buner, Dave Valley, and
Speaker 1: Ryan Roland Smith. Where should we start with this.
Speaker 2: Let's just start here. Super cool for everybody involved in
Speaker 2: this broadcast package. Aaron Goldsmith was twenty nine years old
Speaker 2: when he came to Seattle. He talked about he felt
Speaker 2: like he had a ton to learn, a lot of
Speaker 2: experience he still needed to gain. Fast forward just over
Speaker 2: a decade later, and now he's the TV voice of
Speaker 2: the Mariners full time. Sick. That's awesome for Goldie. And
Speaker 2: you don't need us to tell you that he is
Speaker 2: one of the best in baseball. So to see him
Speaker 2: be on TV full time now one awesome for Dave.
Speaker 2: Like we talked about that, Dave Simms is gonna be
Speaker 2: the radio voice of the Yankees, which we know is
Speaker 2: a dream job. But now that Goldie gets to take
Speaker 2: over on TV full time, also awesome.
Speaker 1: Congrats to Goldie. That's absolutely amazing. I'm so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: miss the chemistry that he and Blowers had A lot
Speaker 1: he ended up getting for the time they worked together.
Speaker 1: Their chemistry was pretty unrivaled. Mike Blowers and Dave Simms
Speaker 1: had been spent a ton of time in the booth
Speaker 1: together and had some amazing moments. But the chemistry that
Speaker 1: Goldie and Blowers had when they would share the TV
Speaker 1: booth I thought was unrivaled. In fact, the only thing
Speaker 1: that would really come close to it is when Goldie
Speaker 1: and Gary would call a game on the radio like that.
Speaker 1: It's that level of chemistry, I think which makes these
Speaker 1: broadcasts that much better. And I'm not saying it can't
Speaker 1: be replaced by the four color analysts I mentioned that
Speaker 1: we will dive into here in a second, but that group,
Speaker 1: that pairing of Blowers and Goldie, I thought really was
Speaker 1: the best that the Mariners could put out there in
Speaker 1: the television booth. And it's just very disappointing that Blowers
Speaker 1: is not going to be in that booth for this
Speaker 1: upcoming season. For people who are going to inevitably in
Speaker 1: the comments ask us why Blowers is not back in
Speaker 1: the booth, I don't know. Wasn't reported, and I don't
Speaker 1: think there'll be a reason. The only way we'd get
Speaker 1: a reason is if Blowers would say it, But he's
Speaker 1: a pretty private person, so I don't think he would
Speaker 1: say it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: If you want to speculate, go ahead, if we don't have.
Speaker 2: A reason, right if you want to speculate, Look, obviously
Speaker 2: he missed a lot of time during the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: three season. We know he was battling with some health stuff.
Speaker 2: We know toward the tail end of twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: if you remember, he wasn't on a lot of those
Speaker 2: broadcasts either. So maybe it's something along those lines. But
Speaker 2: again that is pure, pure speculation from the two of us.
Speaker 2: We don't know, and like TJ said, unless it gets reported,
Speaker 2: I don't think we'll ever find out. But what that
Speaker 2: does is it gets to elevate some other people into
Speaker 2: who are awesome, into some really cool roles. I will
Speaker 2: say on the Goldiean Gary platform, I hope those two
Speaker 2: still find a way to be together on whether it's
Speaker 2: radio broadcasts or whatever it may be, because I don't
Speaker 2: want their chemistry to totally go away where they're no
Speaker 2: longer talking together anymore. Not that they're not talking off
Speaker 2: the air, those guys are basically best friends, but on
Speaker 2: the air, I hope they still find a way to
Speaker 2: integrate the two together.
Speaker 1: I'm dead serious when I say as much as I
Speaker 1: love Rick Riz, he's a legend. He's a Mariner's Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer. He should be in the Made in the
Speaker 1: Baseball Hall of Fame. I mean, the dude will go
Speaker 1: down on the Mount Rushmore of Seattle broadcasters of all time,
Speaker 1: right up there next to Daveney House. That's the kind
Speaker 1: of impact he's made on the city and with the
Speaker 1: franchise and the overwhelming positivity for this franchise, even when
Speaker 1: they probably deserve none. You know who's gonna be the
Speaker 1: mister positive about the Seattle Mariners. It's Rick Riz And
Speaker 1: that's just that's because that's who he is. He's mister Positive.
Speaker 1: And it's and it's fantastic. But the best product that
Speaker 1: the Mariners put out in the radio, I thought from
Speaker 1: a listener perspective, is when Goldie and Gary would do it.
Speaker 1: They play. They could play off each other so well
Speaker 1: that there's all these like little references that you can
Speaker 1: make throughout a broad cast that instantly gets picked up on.
Speaker 1: There's no lag time, there's no miss there's no nothing.
Speaker 1: It's the storytelling. It's the weaving in both old school
Speaker 1: and new school. It's the it's just a whole combination
Speaker 1: of things that made it fantastic. I hope we'll get
Speaker 1: that eventually sometime. I I feel like there's I feel
Speaker 1: like there's still an opportunity for that, but we'll see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, to be fair, Blowers would do some
Speaker 2: pregame and postgame stuff on the radio while also calling
Speaker 2: the game on TV. So maybe there will be times
Speaker 2: throughout the week where Goldie and Gary hop on the
Speaker 2: radio together post game and they get their pregame and
Speaker 2: they get to talk in that regard. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: sure the Mariners know that one Goldie and Gary are
Speaker 2: a great combo, and I'm sure that they know that
Speaker 2: fans know that those two are great combos. So yes,
Speaker 2: hopefully they find a way to get those two integrated.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule that out at all. In fact, I
Speaker 1: would say that's more than likely that they're gonna get
Speaker 1: an opportunity to do that, because you know what they
Speaker 1: wasn't reported in all this, which I thought was very
Speaker 1: interesting and I will keep an eye out for when
Speaker 1: the Mariners officially announce it. There was nothing talked about
Speaker 1: with pregamer postgame shows. And now remember the news this
Speaker 1: offseason that major League Baseball's taking on the production of
Speaker 1: roots sports, and that does change the product they put
Speaker 1: out there. What would they decide to do with the
Speaker 1: pregame and postgame show with our friend Brad Adam Like,
Speaker 1: what happens with that? We don't know. I guess we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to.
Speaker 2: Say, Well, it was reported that the Brad's still going
Speaker 2: to be involved in a variety of ways, so he's skid. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he will still have some involvement. Again, when the
Speaker 2: Mariners announce it all, we'll probably have a little bit
Speaker 2: more clarity on what exactly each role is. But yes,
Speaker 2: like the back Brad's still going to be involved is great.
Speaker 2: But if it's a shorter pregame and postgame show, for
Speaker 2: example on TV this year, then yes, that does give
Speaker 2: Goldie more of a chance to hop over on the
Speaker 2: radio before and after the game and hang out with
Speaker 2: Rick and Gary.
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to Angie Mentink. Congratulations.
Speaker 1: What an awesome opportunity for her to become. It's the
Speaker 1: official titles the first the first woman to hold a
Speaker 1: primarily primary analyst role in Seattle sports. If I believe
Speaker 1: I have that right, m.
Speaker 2: M yeah, I mean her and her and hyphen are
Speaker 2: going to be the main two, right. I guess we
Speaker 2: don't know yet who's doing the bulk of the games
Speaker 2: on the analyst side, but Angie is absolutely going to
Speaker 2: be doing a bunch of them. I think that's clear.
Speaker 2: And it's yeah, and it's it.
Speaker 1: Could be a split, it could be a split.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be a split. Regardless, it's it's awesome
Speaker 2: for her. Yeah, Like if you ever talked to Angie,
Speaker 2: she knows so much baseball and has such a wide
Speaker 2: knowledge of the game that yeah, now now she gets
Speaker 2: to bring that to the airwaves every night. Pretty cool,
Speaker 2: really cool.
Speaker 1: And then Hyphen, I mean Hyphen was one of the
Speaker 1: best in the game. I really do enjoy listening to
Speaker 1: Ryan Rowland Smith. I did raise an eyebrow a little
Speaker 1: bit that Jay Buhner is going to be back in
Speaker 1: back rotating it because he as far I know, in
Speaker 1: his force he told when he came back last year
Speaker 1: they had the Buni boscut night. He does not live here.
Speaker 1: Makes it a little bit more difficult to rotate in
Speaker 1: when you don't you don't live here. And it's not
Speaker 1: like lives in Oregon. No, he lives in Texas.
Speaker 2: Right Like for example, when when Kayla was on the
Speaker 2: broadcast in twenty three kayleb Brow, who was also awesome
Speaker 2: and loved listening to her when she was on. Before
Speaker 2: she took the coaching job back at her alma mater
Speaker 2: at Alabama for softball, she would live in Oregon. She
Speaker 2: lived in Oregon before they moved, and she would just
Speaker 2: fly up for some series from time to time because
Speaker 2: it's it's shorter. Sometimes she drive. But yeah, Jay Buner's
Speaker 2: not living in Oregon. He's living in Texas. So if
Speaker 2: I had to guess what this means, I would guess
Speaker 2: they might have him do some of the series when
Speaker 2: the Mariners traveled to Texas because it'll be a little
Speaker 2: bit closer for him, And then maybe he also flies
Speaker 2: up for a handful of series throughout the year. I'm
Speaker 2: sure he's not going to relocate if I had to guess,
Speaker 2: but I would guess they'll mix him in in that way.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's not going to be doing the primary
Speaker 2: number of games as the TV analyst, but they will
Speaker 2: probably work him in in facets like that.
Speaker 1: So you could say you fly him up for a
Speaker 1: week two series at home, and then four series in Texas,
Speaker 1: because that's what the reply.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's roughly fifteen to twenty games. That's that's
Speaker 2: a reasonable amount of games throughout the year.
Speaker 1: They'll play a series in Arizona this too, this year too, right,
Speaker 1: you know, so that's another Yeah, Yeah, it's not too
Speaker 1: far away.
Speaker 2: Right, They'll find a way to work him in. And
Speaker 2: then Dave Valley I, as far as I know, still
Speaker 2: lives in the area, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's remember during the Rangers series last year he
Speaker 1: was doing Rangers TV but in Seattle. Yeah, right, in Seattle.
Speaker 2: M hm. So he'll probably get worked in in a
Speaker 2: variety of ways.
Speaker 1: But he hasn't been on routin a while.
Speaker 2: Has it been a while?
Speaker 1: It feels like it's been a while, all right, So now.
Speaker 2: They're going to start to work him back in. But
Speaker 2: I would assume Hyphen and Angie are going to be
Speaker 2: the majority, get the majority of the reps and games
Speaker 2: as the TV analyst, which again awesome for both of them.
Speaker 2: Hyphen has been such a supporter of ours and now
Speaker 2: a friend of ours throughout starting this podcast, so couldn't
Speaker 2: be more thrilled for him. Somebody who is super passionate
Speaker 2: about one baseball but two broadcasting and has certainly made
Speaker 2: an awesome career for himself post playing with Now he's
Speaker 2: on MLB Network, he does his own podcast. Now he's
Speaker 2: gonna be one of the main TV analysts for the Mariners.
Speaker 2: It's awesome for him, and then for Angie, who again
Speaker 2: is as knowledgeable about the game as almost anybody in
Speaker 2: the Mariners media that you'll find she Again, if you
Speaker 2: ever talked to Angie about baseball, it doesn't take you
Speaker 2: long to realize, Yeah, she really really knows her stuff.
Speaker 2: And to see her get this chance and to see
Speaker 2: her get a bunch of more games awesome for her.
Speaker 2: Another person who's been super supportive of the both of us,
Speaker 2: so happy for her.
Speaker 1: And we're hoping to get her on Yeah, hopefully soon.
Speaker 2: That would be great, Like love to have her on
Speaker 2: if she's ever available and willing.
Speaker 1: To do it. Shall we get to our breakout Mariners?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is there anything else to kind of tie a
Speaker 2: bow on with this whole broadcast thing? Or do we
Speaker 2: hit the nail on the head again? Like the big
Speaker 2: thing I'm coming to the conclusion here is legitimately just
Speaker 2: thrilled for everybody involved, because everybody involved not only are
Speaker 2: they great broadcasters, but they're just they're just awesome people.
Speaker 2: Who deserve the opportunities. So I'm excited to see what
Speaker 2: the new age of marriage broadcasting looks like.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to see all these announcements, But what I've
Speaker 1: been most curious about how all off season, if I
Speaker 1: can get my words straight, is what what are the
Speaker 1: broadcasts going to look like? How much changes with Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball taking over? How much time are they shaving
Speaker 1: off the broadcasts? And then where does it go after
Speaker 1: this season? We speculated last year that last year could
Speaker 1: have been the last year of ROUTE, not this upcoming season.
Speaker 1: They haven't said whether or not ROOT would continue beyond
Speaker 1: this year or not, but we know it. It's heading
Speaker 1: in the direction of them going under Major League Baseball's umbrella.
Speaker 1: So how does that look a year from now too?
Speaker 1: That's sort of the information I look at with this,
Speaker 1: but at least for this year, that's what this is
Speaker 1: what we're looking at, and I'm just I'm thrilled for
Speaker 1: everybody involved. And what we're gonna get to listen to
Speaker 1: is listen to in the booth and hopefully there will
Speaker 1: be some good baseball to talk about.
Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, Yeah. We may not know what the future
Speaker 2: of the TV broadcasts look like till one we get
Speaker 2: to see some games once they start this year, I
Speaker 2: don't know if we'll have a full idea in spring
Speaker 2: training or not. And two, once time goes on, and
Speaker 2: maybe one of those things we just learned with time.
Speaker 1: What would help is if some of these guys that
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about next play, like we're going
Speaker 1: to predict them to play going through spring training and
Speaker 1: into opening gay.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with you, lyle, who are your breakout
Speaker 1: Let me frame it this way, who is your breakout
Speaker 1: Mariner this spring.
Speaker 2: There's two ways that I'm gonna go about this. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna give one honorable mention and then give my main guy.
Speaker 2: And you have some honorable mentions too, right, I have
Speaker 2: two actually, so let's start with the honorable mentions and
Speaker 2: then we'll move into our highlight guy honorable mention. I
Speaker 2: went with Gregory Santos because is Gregory Santos breaking out? Well,
Speaker 2: he'd break out with the Mariners if he breaks out,
Speaker 2: But he's not a breakout candidate because he was acquired
Speaker 2: to Seattle to be a high leverage arm. We just
Speaker 2: didn't get to see it last year because he missed
Speaker 2: most of the year with injury. But this is a
Speaker 2: guy that if he breaks out with the Mariners this year,
Speaker 2: if he stays healthy and pitches the way he pitched
Speaker 2: in Chicago makes a full one to eighty difference to
Speaker 2: this bullpen. This bullpen does not have all the problems
Speaker 2: it has last year. If Gregory Santos is just healthy,
Speaker 2: even with Matt Brash missing the year, if Santos was
Speaker 2: just healthy all year, this bullpen looks vastly different. A
Speaker 2: guy that has just dynamite stuff bowling ball type sinker
Speaker 2: runs it up to the upper nineties. And this guy's
Speaker 2: slider again, it's it's easy to forget because he barely
Speaker 2: threw last year. His slider was one of the best
Speaker 2: pitches pitches in Major League Baseball back in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: That is a huge reason the Mariners acquire the guy
Speaker 2: dynamite slider and is still honestly an unfair product. For
Speaker 2: as good as he was in twenty three, he only
Speaker 2: really had one dominant pitch. With the idea that, yeah,
Speaker 2: this guy's just getting started. He's got all this club control,
Speaker 2: he's young, he's got this crazy stuff. We got him
Speaker 2: into our pitching lab, into Seattle. Oh, this guy's gonna
Speaker 2: be a difference maker for us for a long time.
Speaker 2: And if he stays healthy this year, I think he
Speaker 2: is going to be.
Speaker 1: That Santos is the rare, established big leaguer that you
Speaker 1: could throw in. Still needs to break out personally, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, because he changed teams and it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: at this point. It doesn't matter as much what he
Speaker 1: did in Chicago, like it showed what kind of pitcher
Speaker 1: he could be. But the Mariners are a different organization
Speaker 1: than Chicago. They're gonna have different ideas of what they
Speaker 1: want him to throw and how they want him to attack.
Speaker 1: But he's also going to show the Mariners that, you know,
Speaker 1: I can stay healthy for an entire season, because that's
Speaker 1: what really matters the most here is that he shows
Speaker 1: up to Seattle last year, struggles with injury and barely
Speaker 1: barely pitches it all. It's gonna be something that people
Speaker 1: are very happy about if if he can come out
Speaker 1: this spring training and he can do exactly what he did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you and I were talking about this before we started recording.
Speaker 1: It's like, does he count? I mean, he's got a
Speaker 1: full season under his belt. I do think relievers are
Speaker 1: different than every other position when it comes to is
Speaker 1: this can we call this a breakout player or not?
Speaker 1: Because relievers are so up and down that that if
Speaker 1: you're on like a downstretch trying to find some words here.
Speaker 1: If relievers are on a downstretch and then suddenly break
Speaker 1: out again, I feel like something like that counts. You
Speaker 1: could say the same thing, like if Tally fealese Lyle,
Speaker 1: if he comes out and dominates the spring and starts
Speaker 1: throwing ninety nine again, you'd call that a breakout.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, are you under the impression Neftally Police is
Speaker 2: gonna be throwing ninety nine miles in?
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if we love hypotheticals, we do.
Speaker 2: However, you know it's not a hypothetical. This guy's thrown
Speaker 2: five big league innings in the last seven years.
Speaker 1: Or Shintaro Fujinami shows up and he doesn't walk a
Speaker 1: guy all spring, that that would be a breakout, but
Speaker 1: he's been in the big leagues for multiple seasons now.
Speaker 2: Fujinami is a much more realistic idea of a bullpen
Speaker 2: breakout than nif Tali Fleies.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna say when nif Tali Feliz is
Speaker 1: in in a game in April?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, is this twenty eleven?
Speaker 1: I hope not.
Speaker 2: Fujinami actually could break out, But if we're sticking on
Speaker 2: Santo's here again. If you just want to run through
Speaker 2: the guy's numbers, because it's easy to forget what he
Speaker 2: did just one baseball season ago, in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: he made just shy of seventy appearances. E A was
Speaker 2: three three nine, pipp was two sick, and again, that
Speaker 2: slider was one of the best pitches in Major League baseball.
Speaker 2: Back in twenty three. Opponents against his slider slugged two
Speaker 2: oh three. They did not bat two oh three, they
Speaker 2: slugged two oh three. Are the Mariners a different organization
Speaker 2: than the White Sox, Yes, well, they have slightly different
Speaker 2: ideas for him. Yes, but I cannot imagine Pete Woodworth
Speaker 2: and Trent blank are looking at Gregory Santos and saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: that slider yours. Stop throwing it. You're gonna see that
Speaker 2: slider plenty if he's healthy, and if he is healthy,
Speaker 2: I think he is gonna dominate with it.
Speaker 1: Let's reframe the question. What does a Gregory Santo's spring
Speaker 1: training breakout look like.
Speaker 2: Well, relievers never usually get more than five maybe six
Speaker 2: appearances all spring, so it's about five to six innings.
Speaker 2: But if in those few innings, he's throwing strikes, slider,
Speaker 2: looks good, fastballs up, and he's spotting up his pitches
Speaker 2: and he stays healthy. That's a breakout. If Gregory's Santos
Speaker 2: and six appearances, gives up one run, isn't walking guys,
Speaker 2: and looks like twenty twenty three Gregory Santo's or some
Speaker 2: form of it, I would call that a breakout.
Speaker 1: By up you mean velocity velocity up.
Speaker 2: Yes, if he is throwing in the mid to upper nineties,
Speaker 2: and usually he's in the upper nineties, so yeah.
Speaker 1: That'll be a good start. I think ninety three would
Speaker 1: be concerning what I think the Mariners would be looking for.
Speaker 1: I feel like they just want to see the VLO
Speaker 1: and the stuff. I don't know if the results matter
Speaker 1: as much. That's why, Well that's when we talk.
Speaker 2: But results would get fans excited. It might not matter
Speaker 2: to the Mariners. But if Santos throws six scoreless innings
Speaker 2: in spring training and it's throwing ninety six to ninety seven,
Speaker 2: fans are gonna be like, oh, he's back, he's back.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a fair point. I'm sort of thinking along
Speaker 1: the lines of Gregory Santos is so talented and they
Speaker 1: gave up something at least to acquire him, and he's
Speaker 1: aently shown for a full season he can be a
Speaker 1: dominant big league relief farm that you know, even if
Speaker 1: he gave up three runs and six innings, like you
Speaker 1: just kind of shrug shoulders at that, because they're looking
Speaker 1: for a tune up, They're not looking for close out
Speaker 1: a spring training win. I'm remember a couple of conversations
Speaker 1: we had with guys at spring training last year who
Speaker 1: were the year prior on the roster bubble and had
Speaker 1: to worry about performing and not giving up runs in
Speaker 1: spring training, but then the year after there was so
Speaker 1: much less of a worry of going out there and
Speaker 1: just working on yourself essentially and not worrying too much
Speaker 1: about the results. More looking at and by throwing the
Speaker 1: right pitch in the right count, is my velocity good, etc.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, that's what Gregory Santos wants to see,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what the Mariners themselves would qualify
Speaker 1: as a breakout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair, no doubt. If they see the stuff that
Speaker 2: they want to see from Gregory Santos, that's what's most important.
Speaker 2: We had one of those conversations with Gabe last spring.
Speaker 2: Gabe spire, Oh, okay, yeah, he had an outing where, yeah,
Speaker 2: it wasn't his best outing, but again, it's spring training.
Speaker 2: It's not always about the results. As I'm like, how
Speaker 2: did it feel yesterday, It's like, dude, honestly felt awesome.
Speaker 2: I know it wasn't my best outing, but I was
Speaker 2: everything I wanted to work on and get done in
Speaker 2: that outing. I did, and then he went out and
Speaker 2: had an awesome April. If you remember, he was one
Speaker 2: of baseball's best relievers in the month of April. So yeah,
Speaker 2: spring training results don't always matter. Logan Gilbert said something similar.
Speaker 2: I remember he had a start that wasn't his best
Speaker 2: in spring training. It's not uncommon at all for guys
Speaker 2: who are just getting warmed up, and similar thing. He said, Yeah, like,
Speaker 2: I felt good, I did what I wanted to do
Speaker 2: in that outing. It just the results weren't perfect. But
Speaker 2: this is what spring training's for.
Speaker 1: And I remember asking Gabe if this was last year,
Speaker 1: would you be freaking out right now?
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, but since he was so great
Speaker 2: in twenty three, he didn't have to, right, he had
Speaker 2: earned his roster spot, right, and by the way, he's
Speaker 2: a guy the Mariners are banking on again in twenty
Speaker 2: five to bounce back, and I've talked about that plenty.
Speaker 2: If he's healthy, I think he will, and that's a
Speaker 2: guy they really need.
Speaker 1: Do we qualify that as like, that's not a breakout,
Speaker 1: but that would be I mean, that would be enough
Speaker 1: to borderline and on this honorable mentioned list. If we
Speaker 1: see our guy like Gabe go out there and have
Speaker 1: seven dominant outings, oh yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: More of a bounce back because well, you know what, though,
Speaker 2: then he's in the same bucket as Gregory Santo's just on.
Speaker 2: It's just Santos was on a different team. Greg You're
Speaker 2: in twenty three down year in twenty four, bounces back
Speaker 2: in twenty five. Yeah, it's probably the same bucket.
Speaker 1: And for Gabe, he hadn't had him and Santos at
Speaker 1: that point, it each would have had one full dominant
Speaker 1: big league season and then scattering.
Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, similar bucket. I think Santos there's a
Speaker 2: little bit more of an intrigue and a little bit
Speaker 2: more of an unknown because again, people haven't seen him
Speaker 2: dominate in a Mariner uniform yet. But that is a
Speaker 2: long honorable mention. What's that?
Speaker 1: And he's a little younger, a little younger that was
Speaker 1: a long honorable.
Speaker 2: Mention, but an honorable mention regardless, because he's gonna be
Speaker 2: really important.
Speaker 1: I don't think any any anyone is gonna be surprised
Speaker 1: when I say I want to see Ryan Bliss break
Speaker 1: out this spring training, as he's my first honorable mention.
Speaker 1: The second base position is going to be a common
Speaker 1: theme from what I choose, and I'm gonna start with
Speaker 1: the guy as an honorable mention who saw some time
Speaker 1: in the big leagues last year and had some success. Therefore,
Speaker 1: can it be a total breakout for Ryan Bliss? Well,
Speaker 1: I think the guy the guy did choose at second
Speaker 1: base hasn't played a big league game yet, therefore he
Speaker 1: gets to earn the honorable mention instead. But I still
Speaker 1: want to see a lot from Ryan Bliss, and I
Speaker 1: think the Maritas would be so excited to see what
Speaker 1: Ryan Bliss could do in spring training. Hitters are a
Speaker 1: little bit different than pictures when it comes to spring training.
Speaker 1: Pictures have, as we've talked about, specific things they want
Speaker 1: to work on in spring training, and hitters do too.
Speaker 1: But hitters want to see results in spring. Well, they
Speaker 1: ultimately matter when the season rolls around. Maybe maybe not.
Speaker 1: Like remember remember the twenty fifteen spring with Mike Sanino
Speaker 1: and Chris Bryant going at it for the Cactus League
Speaker 1: home run home run title. Yeah, Zinino got sent down
Speaker 1: that year.
Speaker 2: I believe right he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. So it just doesn't It just doesn't
Speaker 1: matter all that much the results because you can you
Speaker 1: can never tell. But I'm sure Ryan Bliss would love
Speaker 1: to see some results because guess what, I'm thinking that
Speaker 1: second base position is for the most part his for
Speaker 1: the first two months of the season.
Speaker 2: And going forward, if Bliss is hitting the second base position,
Speaker 2: maybe Bliss and the guy you're gonna highlight here in
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes, because that would be essentially a
Speaker 2: platoon roll over at the position, and then you move
Speaker 2: Dylan Moore back to being a utility player where he's
Speaker 2: best suited.
Speaker 1: Anyway, if you look at the broad stroke of Bliss's
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four season, you see he was about a
Speaker 1: league average hitter. He was worth about half a win
Speaker 1: in a handful of games. He struck out thirty one
Speaker 1: percent of the time. He struggled with velocity. He swung
Speaker 1: and missed a lot, which is expected from a young
Speaker 1: player making his major league debut. But then you look
Speaker 1: at some of the other numbers with Ryan Bliss and
Speaker 1: what he offered up last year. A twenty one percent
Speaker 1: chase rate, which is borderline elite. You look at his
Speaker 1: hard hit rate of forty six and a half percent,
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. You look at his launch angle sweet
Speaker 1: spot percentage, which is the percent of time you are
Speaker 1: getting it between eight degrees and thirty two degrees, which
Speaker 1: is the ideal place to hit a baseball if you're
Speaker 1: looking for damage. Ryan Bliss did that as well. You
Speaker 1: look at those numbers specifically, and you think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of encouragement there for a guy to have some
Speaker 1: real success at the big league level this year. He's
Speaker 1: not going to be Robinson Cano at the plate, but
Speaker 1: at least you know he does do things well and
Speaker 1: for a player of his size, he's got some pop
Speaker 1: in that bat, which I think people are going to
Speaker 1: be really excited to see, and the Mariners are going
Speaker 1: to if they're going to be successful this season, have
Speaker 1: to see success from him. There are reasons why he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to play even after my breakout candidate gets
Speaker 1: up to the big leagues this year and plays that.
Speaker 1: Ryan Bliss is gonna have to continue playing and playing
Speaker 1: well at second base, that is, unless you want Demo
Speaker 1: Lyle to play more second base. I would rather see
Speaker 1: Ryan Bliss.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, I say it all the time. I know
Speaker 2: I'm a demo guy, but he is best suited in
Speaker 2: a utility role to move around wherever he's needed, not
Speaker 2: to be playing one position all the time. And yeah,
Speaker 2: Bliss is younger, He's got a little more upside at
Speaker 2: this point. Plus with everything he has the potential to
Speaker 2: do with the bat, he's a good defender too, something
Speaker 2: the Mariners don't usually get at second base. Now. He
Speaker 2: doesn't have the strongest arm in the world, that's for sure,
Speaker 2: but in terms of his range and his defense with
Speaker 2: the glove, he's a good defender.
Speaker 1: And that matters and runs really well, which the Mariners
Speaker 1: need a lot of, right, right, So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of There's a lot of reasons to think Ryan Bliss
Speaker 1: can be successful to spring, and in his case, a
Speaker 1: successful spring I think will help a lot when he
Speaker 1: makes the Mariners roster in April, it's cold and he
Speaker 1: needs some confidence at the plate to get himself going offensively. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me get to my do you have it more thing?
Speaker 2: Oh and just look, I know there was plenty of
Speaker 2: talk all off season about the second base spot, plenty
Speaker 2: of it by us.
Speaker 1: But this stands by the way, well it stands, it stands.
Speaker 2: But you know what also stands is, I would love, love,
Speaker 2: love to see Ryan Bliss break out because we've talked
Speaker 2: about plenty another one of these guys who is incredibly
Speaker 2: easy to root for. It might be we've said this
Speaker 2: about a bunch of guys, but he's in this conversation
Speaker 2: might be the nicest guy in the whole org.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my next TONOA will mention Hunter Cranton.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, that's a good one. Hunter Cranton, for those
Speaker 2: who don't know, was drafted last year, third round last
Speaker 2: year as a reliever. Now, some of you might say
Speaker 2: Mariners drafted a reliever in the third round. Well, they
Speaker 2: use so much money on the first two picks, and
Speaker 2: rightfully so, because both the picks look awesome so far,
Speaker 2: with Gerangelo Sanja and then overslotting Ryan Sloan in the
Speaker 2: second round, that the rest of that draft was used
Speaker 2: on a lot of guys you were able to give
Speaker 2: a little less money to. And when you draft a
Speaker 2: reliever in the third round, he's probably not signing for
Speaker 2: slot value. It's probably gonna be less than that. Hence
Speaker 2: therow in Hunter Cranton, who you get for under slot.
Speaker 2: And fast forward to now. He could be this year's
Speaker 2: Troy Taylor, where he's up in the big leagues by
Speaker 2: the end of this year.
Speaker 1: And that's what the Mariners had mind that they thought
Speaker 1: last year that he could have. There was like this
Speaker 1: long shot outside chance he makes the big leagues when
Speaker 1: they drafted him last year. Because they drafted him, he's
Speaker 1: twenty four already as a as a college senior. He's
Speaker 1: twenty four, by the way, older than Troy Taylor. He
Speaker 1: is a full year older than Troy Taylor is. But
Speaker 1: if you remember the Troy Taylor arc of last season,
Speaker 1: he started the year in twenty twenty four in Everett,
Speaker 1: then went to Arkansas, then went to the big leagues.
Speaker 1: Hunter Crentton is going to start the year. I think
Speaker 1: in every right it's gonna Everett or Arkansas. It could
Speaker 1: be either, because he's gonna be twenty five this year
Speaker 1: and he's only a reliever. So there's no let me
Speaker 1: frame this, let me frame this correctly. There's not much
Speaker 1: development left. It's just is he good enough to get
Speaker 1: big leaguers out or not?
Speaker 2: If he has a good spring. Would you be shocked
Speaker 2: at all to see him just start in Arkansas?
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't be me either. It's gonna be one
Speaker 1: of those two Troy had. Troy was good in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, but he wasn't twenty twenty four level good therefore,
Speaker 1: and he was younger, so more of a reason to
Speaker 1: put him in Everett Cranton. Though again, he's gonna be
Speaker 1: twenty five this year. Once you're twenty five and you're
Speaker 1: already just a reliever, it's sink or swim, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna That's why they're gonna put him in Arkansas. If
Speaker 1: they put him in Arkansas and he struggles a lot,
Speaker 1: then they'll know what they have. But this dude throws
Speaker 1: ninety nine, topping out at one hundred with his fastball,
Speaker 1: and then as a slider they fifty one rate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: I'd say that someone who could really help out the
Speaker 1: Mariner's bullpen, a bullpen that we have noted over and
Speaker 1: over and over again, has a big question mark over
Speaker 1: its head going into this season.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That right there is the bread and butter
Speaker 2: of a dominant bullpen arm, especially in Seattle. Right hander,
Speaker 2: hard bastball slider that gets a bunch of swing and mess.
Speaker 2: That is a Mariner's reliever. What do they love? Right
Speaker 2: handers with good basketballs and good sliders. That's what that's
Speaker 2: Harner Crampton.
Speaker 1: And he's gonna be I would mention he's gonna be
Speaker 1: in camp among the longest of any of these guys.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which very much helps.
Speaker 2: Definitely. Are we ready for the highlighted headline breakout stars,
Speaker 2: let's do it. My pick for this our guy, Brandon Garcia,
Speaker 2: if you do not know the name yet, Brandon Garcia
Speaker 2: won Mariner's minor League Pitcher of the Year last year.
Speaker 2: He was a starter eleventh round pick. He was drafted
Speaker 2: out of Texas A and m started at Quinnipiac, but
Speaker 2: he comes into last year essentially an unknown. He goes
Speaker 2: out and between Everett and Arkansas puts up a two
Speaker 2: twenty five ERA for the year as a starter for
Speaker 2: the most part, but the Mariners have him as a
Speaker 2: reliever heading into spring at least for this year, they
Speaker 2: plan to throw Garcia out of the bullpen and see
Speaker 2: what he's got. And honestly, while Cranpton may take some
Speaker 2: more time, Brandon Garcia is a guy that, while it
Speaker 2: may be a bit of a long shot, could legitimately
Speaker 2: crack this roster out of spring training as a reliever.
Speaker 2: If he goes out and he dominates in spring training
Speaker 2: and he overpowers hitters, the Mariners may say, we've seen
Speaker 2: what we need to see from you as a reliever.
Speaker 2: You're going to Seattle. And if Brandon Garcia pitches out
Speaker 2: of a bullpen for the Mariners this year with this
Speaker 2: idea that he could be this dominant left handed arm who,
Speaker 2: by the way, could absolutely be stretched out out as
Speaker 2: a multi inning guy given his background as a starter,
Speaker 2: he breaks out, you keep talking about this bullpen that
Speaker 2: needs reinforcements. You get a left hander back there that's
Speaker 2: as tall and lanky as Brandon Garcia with a fastball
Speaker 2: that runs from the mid to upper nineties with three secondaries.
Speaker 2: That's a big arsenal for a relief pitcher. And if
Speaker 2: he does all that and it all clicks, the upside
Speaker 2: for this is I'm not gonna say Andrew Miller, but
Speaker 2: it's that idea, right. I'm not gonna put that type
Speaker 2: of lofty comp on Beiji just as a guy that
Speaker 2: is trying to make the club out of camp. But
Speaker 2: it is that idea of a multi inning left handed
Speaker 2: reliever with big stuff that gets a bunch of outs
Speaker 2: and that would be massively valuable.
Speaker 1: The versatility here is what makes this so exciting. I
Speaker 1: think back to last year, the idea the Mariners had
Speaker 1: for Logan Evans, our guy, Logan Evans, who again we're
Speaker 1: gonna hope to have him on the pod here soon,
Speaker 1: been communicating hopefully before the season starts. But remember Logan,
Speaker 1: they tried moving him to really last year during the season,
Speaker 1: didn't like what they saw and they moved They moved
Speaker 1: him out and kept him as a starter, in which
Speaker 1: she that's how he finished the season. I have a feeling,
Speaker 1: Lyle that they might still stretch out Brandon Garcia in
Speaker 1: the minors just as a normal starter, because Garcia and
Speaker 1: the Maritors in Garcia understand that his values at its
Speaker 1: highest when he starts, so they'll I feel like at
Speaker 1: this point they have an idea of how Garcia pitches
Speaker 1: in shorter stints, because that's what they had to do
Speaker 1: with him last year. Down towards the end of last year,
Speaker 1: he was on an innings limit and they started throwing
Speaker 1: him only three to four innings. Well, if he's going
Speaker 1: to be in the bullpen, maybe not three innings but two.
Speaker 1: As you mentioned, as more of a stretched out, long reliever,
Speaker 1: they've had an idea of how that stuff plays up
Speaker 1: in those shorter stints going into but going into the
Speaker 1: spring training, the idea of Brandon Garcia as a reliever
Speaker 1: is phenomenal. He's got the stuff. He's a lefty, and
Speaker 1: right now, the two lefties you have in this bullpen
Speaker 1: don't have the overpowering stuff Gabe at times. But Garcia
Speaker 1: throws ninety nine. Gabe does not throw ninety nine, and
Speaker 1: Gabe would tell you that he doesn't throw ninety nine.
Speaker 1: So just because you have that ability or brand and
Speaker 1: Garcia makes this so enticing, I still do feel like Dolile,
Speaker 1: they're going to buy the end of spring he's still
Speaker 1: going to be stretched out to about four innings. I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like if they if they want
Speaker 1: him to, I think they feel like it would be
Speaker 1: better for his development if he kept throwing in longer stints,
Speaker 1: but they could still throw him in the bullpen if
Speaker 1: they wanted to.
Speaker 2: So let's make this clear. It was reported that they
Speaker 2: are looking at him as a true pen option for
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. They made that clear. That's been reported
Speaker 2: out there. That being said, you just feel like that
Speaker 2: they may choose to go that route with him just
Speaker 2: in case he does not make the roster and then
Speaker 2: he's still got the ability to throw as a starter
Speaker 2: and maybe they use him in three inning spurts as
Speaker 2: a starter down in double A for when they eventually
Speaker 2: decide that it is his turn to be called upon
Speaker 2: and he'll be ready for it, rather than going from
Speaker 2: a reliever to a starter.
Speaker 1: Two points on this. First of all, I heard Divish
Speaker 1: on Pucks Podcast talking about he thinks that's what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do. So, like, when we trust Ryan Davish's information,
Speaker 1: So if he says that, I will, I'll believe it.
Speaker 1: The second point of it is, if you're trying to
Speaker 1: help him develop here in spring, why would you want
Speaker 1: to change what works?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So clarify when when Divis said that's what they're
Speaker 2: gonna do on Puck's Podcast.
Speaker 1: You mean they're gonna stretch them out.
Speaker 2: They're gonna stretch him out. Yeah, which makes sense because
Speaker 2: again it's it's much easier to go from starter to
Speaker 2: reliever than reliever to starter. So sure, he may be
Speaker 2: stretched out. He may throw as a starter during spring
Speaker 2: training because, like you said, that's where his value is
Speaker 2: still going to be the highest. Post twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: he may still be a starter. We'll see how it
Speaker 2: all goes. We'll see what the rest of the prospects
Speaker 2: look like in terms of the pitchers. But if they
Speaker 2: feel like they need him in twenty twenty five out
Speaker 2: of the bullpen, I think you could see him out
Speaker 2: of the bullpen. But yes, he's gonna be an option, yes,
Speaker 2: and it makes sense to stretch him out as a starter.
Speaker 2: You might as well because you have the option. But
Speaker 2: if we are just looking now, getting back to the
Speaker 2: idea of a breakout candidate who could really make a
Speaker 2: difference for the Mariners this year, it's him, and it's
Speaker 2: him as a reliever. I would love to see Brandon
Speaker 2: Garcia get a chance to keep starting. I hope he does,
Speaker 2: but in this current rotation, there's just not a ton
Speaker 2: of window for opportunity. Considering these five starters are the
Speaker 2: best in baseball, but Brandon Garcia out of a bullpen,
Speaker 2: especially if he's going to be a multi inning guy,
Speaker 2: that is something you can dream on, because the Mirrors
Speaker 2: have not had a truly hard throwing dominant left handed
Speaker 2: like that in a long time. Again, Gabe and Sauce
Speaker 2: are a little bit different. Really good arms when they're
Speaker 2: at their best, but they're more finesse guys strike throwers.
Speaker 2: You know. Sauce gets ground balls. Gavee throws a ton
Speaker 2: of strikes. Garcia is somebody that can overpower guys in
Speaker 2: that bullpen, especially if he's gonna max out for an
Speaker 2: inning at a time, and you see that stuff play up,
Speaker 2: that's really exciting. Think about this. Imagine if Logan goes
Speaker 2: five and a third one day, Garcia comes in, he
Speaker 2: goes an inning and two thirds, pumping upper nineties, getting
Speaker 2: swings and misses, and that gets you through seven and
Speaker 2: then you get some combo of Brash Santos Munnos eight
Speaker 2: and nine. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: That would be pretty fun. There's just not many lefties
Speaker 1: like that in baseball, to be honest, No, it makes
Speaker 1: you more unicorn. Like we know, the Mariners love to
Speaker 1: have different looks up and down the roster. Brandon Garcia,
Speaker 1: by the way, very different look. If you're unfamiliar with
Speaker 1: his delivery, go check it out. It is. It's unique,
Speaker 1: especially for a lefty. If you're standing in that lefty
Speaker 1: batter's box, the ball starts out at you, which is
Speaker 1: very hard to pick up.
Speaker 2: Is it almost a little Garrett Crochet esque? Is that fair?
Speaker 1: The delivery a little bit? A little bit, It's definitely
Speaker 1: not over the top.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Again, this is why I'm not gonna put
Speaker 2: the idea of an Andrew millercomp on him, because it's
Speaker 2: just not fair. But it is that idea that I'm
Speaker 2: sure the Mariners are thinking about with again, hard throwing,
Speaker 2: tall lanky, left handed reliever who could go multiple innings.
Speaker 1: Now, let me again reframe the question, what does a
Speaker 1: Beg breakout look like.
Speaker 2: In spring training? Yeah, well, a lot of people haven't
Speaker 2: even really gotten to see him pitch. You've seen some
Speaker 2: highlights from the Mariner's Miners account and through social media.
Speaker 2: But if people get their eyes on him this spring,
Speaker 2: and similar to what we talked about with the relievers,
Speaker 2: number one, the stuff is up. But two, you're seeing
Speaker 2: him consistently show out and really miss bats over a
Speaker 2: multi inning stretch. That's what I call a breakout. Because, look,
Speaker 2: if Brandon Garcia is a one inning reliever, he's a
Speaker 2: one inning reliever, and if that's where he's his best,
Speaker 2: then great, use him in the way that it works best.
Speaker 2: But this idea of him being a multi inning guy.
Speaker 2: If he's going two three innings at a time in
Speaker 2: spring training in these games and he's putting up zeros
Speaker 2: and he's missing bats, that's what I call a breakout.
Speaker 2: Because if he's doing that, I think it's gonna get
Speaker 2: really really interesting with what they do with Brandon Garcia
Speaker 2: come Opening Day. In fact, there's probably gonna be some
Speaker 2: people in that org that are gonna be really excited
Speaker 2: about what he can or not. Probably, of course, if
Speaker 2: he goes out and pitches like that, there's gonna be
Speaker 2: people in that org that would be really excited about
Speaker 2: what he has the potential to do. And if that's
Speaker 2: the case, he's gonna make a real real push to
Speaker 2: get on that opening day roster, even if it's a
Speaker 2: long shot. If he dominates, that's gonna be a fun
Speaker 2: conversation to have with what you do with him?
Speaker 1: Ready for my breakout candidate, Yeah, surprise, it's Cole Young,
Speaker 1: whoa in case you couldn't tell by all the hints
Speaker 1: and essentially dead giveaways of what I was doing when
Speaker 1: talking about Ryan Bliss, my breakout candidate for the Mariners
Speaker 1: this spring training is Cole Young. And this seems almost
Speaker 1: too obvious because Cole Young almost certainly is going to
Speaker 1: be a Mariner by June. Mariners don't have any sort
Speaker 1: of solidity at second base. Cole Young is one of
Speaker 1: the Mariner's top prospects. He's a former first round pick,
Speaker 1: and he's been very successful up and down the Miners.
Speaker 1: That tells you that at some point he's going to
Speaker 1: be playing for the Mariners every single day or what
Speaker 1: you would hope. Maybe that won't be this year, but
Speaker 1: he's certainly going to play in some aspect, and I
Speaker 1: want that to start at spring training for Cole Young.
Speaker 1: I look at Cole Young and what he did at
Speaker 1: Arkansas this past year in a place that's really tough
Speaker 1: to hit, He's still put up a one nineteen WRC,
Speaker 1: plus he had twenty five doubles. He only struck out
Speaker 1: fifteen point eight percent of the time. I ask, I
Speaker 1: ask you, Lyle, looking at what Cole Young put up
Speaker 1: a two seventy one, three sixty nine three ninety slash
Speaker 1: line with that w orc plus I mentioned, is there
Speaker 1: anything left you feel like in the minor leagues for
Speaker 1: Cole Young? Like, what is it? Is it?
Speaker 2: The is it?
Speaker 1: Does he need to hit six more home runs?
Speaker 2: Is that it? I was gonna say, a little bit
Speaker 2: of power, additional power would be great to see. He's
Speaker 2: never gonna be a twenty five home run guy, but
Speaker 2: just a little bit more power paired with I think
Speaker 2: he could just still use some more at bats. He
Speaker 2: hasn't had that many at bats in the minor leagues.
Speaker 2: This is the guy that was drafted in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: He's really only had two full seasons after being an
Speaker 2: eighteen year old first rounder out of high school. So
Speaker 2: the Mariners say they're probably gonna start him in Triple
Speaker 2: A and to see what he could do against some
Speaker 2: essentially Quad A arms aka guys that have big league
Speaker 2: experience and have thrown plenty of innings up in the majors.
Speaker 2: To see what he can do against some guys like that,
Speaker 2: For a few weeks time and see how he handles
Speaker 2: it would be great. And also see that look while
Speaker 2: the pcls a bambox and we know that offensive numbers
Speaker 2: can get vastly inflated. I would be interested to see
Speaker 2: what his approach looks like against some of those guys too.
Speaker 2: Aka does the walk right stay up? There's a strikeout
Speaker 2: rates day down? Do his bats still look quality? I
Speaker 2: think seeing some of that for six to eight weeks
Speaker 2: would be pretty valuable for Cole Young and for the
Speaker 2: Mariners before making a decision on when his time has
Speaker 2: come to get called up.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of a scenario here where Cole Young goes
Speaker 1: into spring training and he tears it up, and we
Speaker 1: get to the final week of spring training, he's still
Speaker 1: on still at big league camp, or let's say within
Speaker 1: the final two weeks of spring training that he's still
Speaker 1: in big league camp, he's still in the starting lineup,
Speaker 1: and he's having a ton of success. He's playing good defense,
Speaker 1: he's running the bases, he's doing all of this. And
Speaker 1: say he's one of the most valuable members of the
Speaker 1: entire Cactus League. And you sit there and you think,
Speaker 1: I feel like we have reached the twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: Jared Keelnick situation. At this point, here we have a
Speaker 1: hole at second base. Here, we have a top prospect
Speaker 1: who's playing against big leaguers and having an immense amount
Speaker 1: of success. There's gonna be a really tough, tough decision
Speaker 1: to make for Jerry to Poto in company on what
Speaker 1: to do with Cole Young, because I feel like there
Speaker 1: has not been a prospect that has pushed them to
Speaker 1: that Jared Kelnick twenty twenty one conversation, until we see
Speaker 1: Cole Young do it this year. Cole Emerson might be better,
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna hit his way onto the big
Speaker 1: league roster out of spring training. That's not happening. But
Speaker 1: Cole Young has that opportunity.
Speaker 2: To do so.
Speaker 1: There is one glaring thing that Cole needs to work on. Though.
Speaker 1: His performance against lefties is historically not been very good
Speaker 1: in the minors. He's played now three seasons of minor
Speaker 1: league baseball. He's yet to slug against lefties above three
Speaker 1: point fifteen.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: That's not great. Cole does get on bass versus lefties.
Speaker 1: He got a head a three fifty five on base
Speaker 1: versus his lefties in twenty twenty four in a three
Speaker 1: ninety four on base in twenty twenty three. But when
Speaker 1: you move up levels and lefties realize you can't hit
Speaker 1: against them, they're gonna stop throwing you balls. They're just
Speaker 1: gonna throw you strikes and know that you can't do
Speaker 1: much damage against it. Is Cole Young gonna be able
Speaker 1: to show that he can do damage against lefties this year.
Speaker 1: That's what I think the Mariners want to know. They
Speaker 1: want Cole Young to be able to play every day
Speaker 1: at this current rate. Based on what he's done in
Speaker 1: the minors against lefties, you don't have as much confidence
Speaker 1: he plays every single day and has enough impact to
Speaker 1: play every single day. You need to see those numbers
Speaker 1: come up a little bit, which is where Ryan Bliss
Speaker 1: comes in. Ryan Bliss could hit against those lefties and
Speaker 1: Cole Young could hit against those rights. But Cole Young's
Speaker 1: a first round pick. You want him to play every
Speaker 1: single day, hit fifteen home runs and have a one
Speaker 1: to ten WORC plus. That's what I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: want to see when he's in Triple A and he's
Speaker 1: facing former big leaguers who can land breaking balls in
Speaker 1: the strike zone. How was he going to handle that.
Speaker 1: That's why I think it is. It's an important spring
Speaker 1: for him, and I would welcome a breakout. I would
Speaker 1: welcome he faces lefties, he gets twenty Let's see, he
Speaker 1: gets fifteen to twenty at bats ER's his lefties in
Speaker 1: the spring and tears the cover off the ball. It
Speaker 1: would make me feel a lot better, all right.
Speaker 2: So there's a bunch to respond to with that. First off,
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't know if Cole Young and
Speaker 2: Jared Keelnick are exactly perfect comps, because Kelnick was ahead
Speaker 2: of where Cole was in terms of his development as
Speaker 2: a prospect.
Speaker 1: He was higher rated, but both were on the doorstep
Speaker 1: of the big leagues at this point.
Speaker 2: Kelnick had a little more success in Double A than
Speaker 2: Cole probably has had so far. So that's bad. That's
Speaker 2: there's that portion of it. The other part of this
Speaker 2: is the Mariners, basically outside of Julio, do not rush
Speaker 2: their prospects. Julio was such a unicorn that they said, okay,
Speaker 2: what can we do? We have to put them on
Speaker 2: the big league roster. The Mariners, for the most part,
Speaker 2: take their time with most of their guys. You've seen
Speaker 2: it with yeah, well maybe not in the Jacks forensic era,
Speaker 2: but in the Depoto era they do.
Speaker 1: Did they not rush Jared Kilnt They did. The Mariners
Speaker 1: are right with kiln Nink.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they still rushed him, but again they did
Speaker 2: not put him on the roster out in spring training.
Speaker 2: Rushed him, right, But look at everybody else they rush
Speaker 2: the capital a little bit kind I again, and especially
Speaker 2: with their high school prospects, they do not do it
Speaker 2: a lot. They don't rush those guys. So paired with that,
Speaker 2: paired with that, he still has to hit lefties a
Speaker 2: little bit better, which is the other big aspect of
Speaker 2: this Cole Young dilemma with what they do in spring training.
Speaker 2: That's why I think it would be Look, if he
Speaker 2: breaks out in spring training, it'd be awesome, but it's
Speaker 2: still hard to imagine a world where he is definitively
Speaker 2: on the roster come opening day of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Oh and here's the other part of this you mentioned.
Speaker 2: They want him to play every day. Absolutely, they want
Speaker 2: Cole Young to play every day long term. In year one.
Speaker 2: They may not put that on him. They may be
Speaker 2: perfectly okay running out a platoon with him and either
Speaker 2: Demo and Bliss in year one of his big league tenure,
Speaker 2: and that's look, they want him to hit left these
Speaker 2: There's no doubt because again, long term, they envision him
Speaker 2: as their everyday second basement and I'm sure that's part
Speaker 2: of the reason they'll probably want him to have a
Speaker 2: little bit more development time come the minor league season
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five. But in twenty twenty five specifically,
Speaker 2: I would assume they will ease him in by mostly
Speaker 2: showing him right handed pitching.
Speaker 1: If you want to pick one reason why Cole Young's
Speaker 1: got that opportunity though, to break out this spring. Is
Speaker 1: there any one of the other thirty nine non roster
Speaker 1: invites that's gonna play more than him.
Speaker 2: No, And to that point of yours about let's say
Speaker 2: he's in big league camp in the final week, I
Speaker 2: think he will be. I don't even think that's a hypothetical.
Speaker 2: I think he will be in big league camp until
Speaker 2: the very very end. They're gonna get him as much
Speaker 2: exposure in big league spring training as they possibly can.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean he's gonna be on the roster come
Speaker 2: opening day, but I think they're gonna one. I think
Speaker 2: they're gonna tell him that he has the right to
Speaker 2: go out and earn that job in spring training, and
Speaker 2: that's what you should tell him. You want to motivate
Speaker 2: the guy. But I think you're gonna see him get plenty,
Speaker 2: plenty of IT bats in big league spring And yes,
Speaker 2: I do not think there's another non roster invite that
Speaker 2: will play more than Cole Young. No, he's gonna get
Speaker 2: a ton of time.
Speaker 1: Have you seen his zips projections?
Speaker 2: They're pretty good. I know two wins, which, like we've said,
Speaker 2: if Cole Young is a two wins second baseman every
Speaker 2: year of his career two to two and a half,
Speaker 2: that is a top ten second basement in baseball. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that's an MVP winner. I'm not saying that's
Speaker 2: Jose al Tuob because it's not. But second base is
Speaker 2: a hard position to come by in terms of finding
Speaker 2: consistent success across the league. There's not that many great
Speaker 2: second basement And if Cole Jung's a two to two
Speaker 2: and a half win player every year, especially in year one,
Speaker 2: that is a guy who ranks in the seven to
Speaker 2: ten range of second basement in baseball. Maras have not
Speaker 2: had that in years, so If he does that, that
Speaker 2: would be awesome, and the profile backs up the chance
Speaker 2: for him to do that because again, good approach, Walks
Speaker 2: doesn't strike out, good defense, bats ball, that can be
Speaker 2: a two win guy. The lack of power probably makes
Speaker 2: it hard to be a five to win guy. But
Speaker 2: two to three win guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy for someone who's not going to even
Speaker 1: start to start the season in the big league roster.
Speaker 1: So once to see. But I'm excited for all of
Speaker 1: these guys to break out in spring training. And this
Speaker 1: is as guys are reporting to spring training, this is
Speaker 1: where the door of hope and optimism springs back in.
Speaker 2: See. Isn't it great?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 2: I was just sitting here thinking through this whole episode,
Speaker 2: it's like, no more John Stanton, no more Chris Larson talk,
Speaker 2: no more bullshit hypotheticals about off season hot stove transactions.
Speaker 2: Now we can just talk about actual players and actual baseball.
Speaker 1: We didn't even talk about Alex Spraegman signing with the
Speaker 1: Red Sox, which is our ultimate hypothetical.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Tristan Costas not smart strategy. All right? Sorry,
Speaker 2: Sorry I broke the I broke it for a second.
Speaker 2: I broke character. Anyway, last question to you before we
Speaker 2: wrap this up, I'll ask the same question to you
Speaker 2: as you asked me about my guys. What does Cole
Speaker 2: Young have to do to qualify as a breakout.
Speaker 1: Twenty good at bats against lefties, looks good on defense,
Speaker 1: just looks like he belongs like He essentially needs to
Speaker 1: produce what he did in the miners last year, just
Speaker 1: at the big league level in spring training. I think
Speaker 1: of what he did at Arkansas totally fine as a
Speaker 1: big leaguer, I don't. I don't think there's there's it's
Speaker 1: you don't have to be too cute here with Cole Young.
Speaker 1: He needs to control the strike zone. He needs to
Speaker 1: walk a ton, he needs to not strike out a lot,
Speaker 1: because he's not gonna hit for the power. To make
Speaker 1: up for it, he's gonna need to get on base,
Speaker 1: which is his specialty. He's gonna have to look good
Speaker 1: at second base defensively and ultimately as they play him
Speaker 1: every single day during the spring, hope he holds up
Speaker 1: and make sure he looks like he belongs on that roster.
Speaker 1: That's what I want to see out of him. And
Speaker 1: then hey, maybe how about three of those Three of
Speaker 1: those at bats versus lefties, Go for go, go yard.
Speaker 2: Please three home runs versus lefties?
Speaker 1: Who why not show off?
Speaker 2: If he hits three home runs in the spring training period,
Speaker 2: I think that'd be great. A lot of guys don't
Speaker 2: hit three home runs total in the spring. Julio sometimes
Speaker 2: doesn't hit three homers in the spring. If he gets
Speaker 2: three against lefties, that'd be great.
Speaker 1: Well, he said, want to see power against lefties? There's
Speaker 1: no better way to show that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about this?
Speaker 1: In the simple answer, I want to see him look
Speaker 1: like he belongs on the roster.
Speaker 2: It's tough to put a number on it, but roughly,
Speaker 2: do you want to call it a seven eighty to
Speaker 2: seven ninety ops in the spring? Sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is about where he was this past year
Speaker 1: in double A.
Speaker 2: Right, that'd be great. I'm excited for all these guys.
Speaker 2: There are so many storylines that are that are gonna
Speaker 2: be really fun to follow as spring training really gets
Speaker 2: ramped up here and we're gonna be talking about it
Speaker 2: because baseball season's finally back, and like TJ said, there
Speaker 2: is real, real hope and optimism that you can take
Speaker 2: into the spring, and now it's the season for it,
Speaker 2: because now it's gonna be right in front of us
Speaker 2: with spring training really getting going here, so we can't wait.
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