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Speaker 1: Welcome in as Verdict with Center Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson

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Speaker 1: with you. I'll start with good news. We've got Center

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Speaker 1: Cruz back. You've got what i'd say, half the voice,

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Speaker 1: sixty percent. Where are we right now with this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that.

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Speaker 3: I got to say, doing a weekend or you go

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Speaker 3: to like seven inauguration balls and you're just going from

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Speaker 3: event to event to event. I've got a nasty cold.

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Speaker 3: My voice was completely ragged two days ago. It's still

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Speaker 3: pretty weak. I canceled pretty much all my media interviews

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Speaker 3: just because I'm trying to rest my voice. But I'm

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Speaker 3: back to the podcast cast because I love you guys.

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Speaker 1: See, you know, we started rumors while you were gone.

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Speaker 1: This was you partying too hard and we're blaming your

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Speaker 1: old co host because there is a picture on the

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Speaker 1: internet of you guys having cigars together at the inauguration.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I will confess Noles and I we're at a

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Speaker 3: cigar bar smoking cigars at having scotch at three in

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Speaker 3: the morning, which you know with Jeremy bourring In, Ben

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Speaker 3: Shapiro at all the Daily Wire guys. And it was

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Speaker 3: great fun, but it really is crappy for your voice.

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Speaker 1: And it really does. Yeah, here we go. Well there,

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Speaker 1: as my mom would say, did you learn anything from

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Speaker 1: that experience?

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Speaker 2: Senator yeah, it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Good answer, good answer.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: This is also interesting because right now you're still in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. We're recording this late Thursday night. That's not normal.

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Speaker 1: Normally we record after you get back to Houston about

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Speaker 1: the same time. But you're still in d C. What's

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Speaker 3: Well, it looks like we're going to be here throughout

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Speaker 3: the weekend. So we're in the middle of confirming cabinet

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Speaker 3: nominees at this point. We confirm Marco Rubio on January twentieth.

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Speaker 3: On in inauguration day, Rubio was confirmed ninety nine to zero.

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Speaker 3: He was unanimous. That was not surprising. But the Democrats

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Speaker 3: are already being obstructionists. They're already blocking nominees. So we

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Speaker 3: confirmed earlier today John Ratcliffe to be the head of

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Speaker 3: the CIA. We should have done that on January twentieth

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 2: It was a big vote.

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Speaker 3: The vote was seventy four to twenty five, so a

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Speaker 3: whole bunch of Democrats voted for Radcliffe. And yet the

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Speaker 3: Democrats are trying to drag it out and delay it.

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Speaker 3: We're now on Pete Hegseth, and the Democrats really really

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Speaker 3: really want to defeat Pete Hegseth. So they're just the

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Speaker 3: tool that the opposition party has in the Senate is

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Speaker 3: they can delay, and they can for major cabinet nominees.

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Speaker 3: The rules require thirty hours and so you can drag

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Speaker 3: it out. And so what the Republican majority is doing,

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Speaker 3: we're saying, fine, if you're going to drag it out,

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Speaker 3: then we're not going home.

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Speaker 2: We're going to stay here under the thirty hours.

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Speaker 3: We're going to vote on Pete Hegseth, I think at

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Speaker 3: nine pm Friday night, and then we're immediately going to

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Speaker 3: we're going to move forward, and we're going to move forward.

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Speaker 3: And to be honest, this is not that unusual of

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Speaker 3: a battle. You see the opposition party trying to drag

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Speaker 3: the Democrats want to get home. They got fundraisers, they

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Speaker 3: They're doing all sorts of things they're going to sporting games,

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 3: It makes senators very grumpy when they have to stay

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Speaker 2: And they don't get home.

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Speaker 3: And so hopefully after the Democrats do this for a

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Speaker 3: way this ends is they say, Okay, we agree to

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Speaker 3: expedite the votes and to move more swiftly through the votes.

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Speaker 3: One way or another, we're going to get these cabinet

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Speaker 3: nominees confirmed. I think within thirty days all of the

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Speaker 2: They were the two most likely to vote no.

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Speaker 3: But the nice thing about having a fifty three vote

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Speaker 3: And so if Susan and Lisa vote no, that doesn't

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Speaker 3: tomorrow night, Pete Hegseeth will be confirmed as Defense Secretary

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Speaker 3: and we're going to move through. Actually, earlier today, I

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Speaker 3: chaired the Senate Commerce Committee and we voted out Sean Duffy,

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Speaker 3: vote on Sean Duffy was unanimous, So every Republican, every

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Speaker 3: Democrat voted for it. It was interesting. The Democrats were

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Speaker 3: chattering a little bit that they might oppose him because

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Speaker 3: they were mad that Trump had halted the Green New

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Speaker 3: turns out even the Democrats want roads and bridges in

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Speaker 2: Funny how that works.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't know Sean, Sean is just such

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Speaker 1: a genuine nice guy. He's authentic, he's real. His questioning

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Speaker 1: and I think it looked petty if you went against him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, he's a good guy. He's going to do

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Speaker 3: a terrific job as Secretary of Transportation, and that historically

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Speaker 3: So you shouldn't be favoring your buddies and punishing your enemies.

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Speaker 3: And I think Sean will implement the law fairly. And

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Speaker 3: that's one thing every senator does, is you go advocate

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Speaker 3: growing crazy. Here's an amazing stat When I was elected

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Speaker 3: And so I think Sean Duffy's going to do a

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Speaker 1: It really is. So we've got a lot of talk

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump made some comments about that. We're going to

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Speaker 1: going with this. But let's go back to the politics

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Speaker 1: of the of the Democrats stalling and trying to delay

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Speaker 1: if you're in their camp tonight, are they saying is

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Speaker 1: do they say, Okay, enough's enough already, let's get to

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Speaker 3: Oh, look, at some point they'll blink. But their base

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Speaker 3: You know, Look, nine pm tomorrow night, hegg Seth will

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Speaker 3: He was just voted out of committee unanimously. Now he'll

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Speaker 3: And they were like why, I don't understand why. And

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Speaker 2: And he said, so what we want him now?

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Speaker 3: But half the senator Democrats and Chuck Schumer doesn't want

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Speaker 3: Republicans use procedural mechanisms to delay confirmation, particularly if it's

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Speaker 3: do everything you can to fight back. Now, the way

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Speaker 3: So the thirty hours delay that you have on a

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Speaker 3: You got to get thirty senators up there to speak

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Speaker 1: So for the next thirty hours, you're telling me that

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Speaker 3: Now, keep this going, no, because I don't expect we're

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Speaker 2: I think that would be correct.

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Speaker 3: And I think if they did that, Thune would let

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to regret this question, but I

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Speaker 1: executive orders to secure the border. We are now witnessing

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Speaker 1: the difference in one president compared to another, and how

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Speaker 1: quickly things can change. Border crossings are way down. We're

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Speaker 1: grabbing violent criminals now all over the country. We're getting

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Speaker 1: videos of those arrests being made in the rap sheets.

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Speaker 1: This is a full court press by the federal government

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Speaker 1: who's been empowered to do their damn job on getting

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Speaker 1: rid of the bad guys in this country. The worst

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Speaker 1: of the worst are the violent criminals that are legal immigrants,

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Speaker 1: and also a securing the border mentality all into one.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: Look, on day one, Trump signed over one hundred executive orders.

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Speaker 3: And I will say there is a world of difference

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Speaker 3: between this Trump administration and the one we saw in

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. Listen, in twenty seventeen, most of the Trump

449
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Speaker 3: team had never served in the federal government. They didn't

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Speaker 3: really know what they were biting off, you know. They

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Speaker 3: were actually One member of the Trump family said to

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Speaker 3: me over this weekend, said, yeah, we were the dog

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Speaker 3: that caught the car.

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Speaker 2: Look like it was.

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Speaker 3: They found themselves in the White House and there was

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Speaker 3: a steep learning curve. And I will say in the

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Speaker 3: first term, the Trump White House made some serious mistakes,

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Speaker 3: particularly with staffing, appointing some people to senior positions who

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Speaker 3: ended up fighting against President Trump every step of the way.

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Speaker 3: This time around, I think it is a dramatically different

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Speaker 3: White House and a dramatically different administration. One of the

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Speaker 3: biggest ways it's different, I think they're much more savvy.

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Speaker 3: This selection of cabinet nominees, I think is very strong.

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Speaker 3: I think they're looking for people who are loyal and

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Speaker 3: committed to the president and the president's agenda.

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Speaker 2: I think that they.

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Speaker 3: Are doing a much better job avoiding appointing people who

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Speaker 3: are going to fight against the president's agenda and try

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Speaker 3: to undermine it from within.

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Speaker 2: And there was a lot of that in the first term.

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Speaker 3: I also think when it comes to the executive orders

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Speaker 3: that they just they put in collectively, that the transition

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Speaker 3: team and a lot of the lawyers working with them

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Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of hours getting ready for it, and

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Speaker 3: so many of the executive orders dealt with the border.

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Speaker 3: The clearest mandate from this election was to secure the border,

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Speaker 3: and I think these executive orders are all designed to

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Speaker 3: do that. To build the wall, to surge manpower, to

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Speaker 3: go after illegal aliens, to go after criminal illegal aliens,

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Speaker 3: to go after murderers and rapists and child molesters, to

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Speaker 3: go after gang members, and I think you're seeing every

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Speaker 3: cabinet agency focusing on it. To restore the remain in

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Speaker 3: Mexico agreement, to end catch and release. All of that

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Speaker 3: happened the first day. And remember this is something that

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Speaker 3: I've predicted on verdict from the beginning, which is that

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Speaker 3: we would secure the border. It wouldn't take a year

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Speaker 3: even six months, that it would be immediate because the

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Speaker 3: damage done to the border was done primarily through executive

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Speaker 3: orders and just through deliberate inaction on the part of

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden the executive and so all of that could

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Speaker 3: be reversed immediately. Now Congress needs to follow up and

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Speaker 3: pass legislation to provide real funding for the resources we

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Speaker 3: need at the border, and hopefully to put in federal

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Speaker 3: law stronger protections to stop the next Democrat president from

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Speaker 3: trying to repeat what Joe Biden did. But look, if

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Speaker 3: you compare, it's funny. I had had reporters this week

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Speaker 3: asked me, said said, well, well, is it strange that

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Speaker 3: Trump's executive orders and the legislation Congress is working on

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Speaker 3: this year are so overlapping and so similar. And I

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Speaker 3: laughed and said, no, it's not strange at all. We're

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Speaker 3: both acting to implement the mandate from the voters. We're

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Speaker 3: both trying to accomplish the same agenda. And I said, listen,

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Speaker 3: the advantage of executive orders and regulations and executive action.

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Speaker 2: Is that it's quick.

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Speaker 3: It can be done instantaneously.

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Speaker 2: That's very good.

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Speaker 3: The disadvantage of it is it can be reversed instantaneously.

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Speaker 3: A great deal of the good Donald Trump did in

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Speaker 3: the first term was reversed as soon as Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: came into office because everything you do with an executive

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Speaker 3: order you could undo. And by the way, a lot

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Speaker 3: of Trump's executive orders were just reversing the terrible Biden

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Speaker 3: executive orders. So executive orders are quick, but they're temporary.

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Speaker 3: Legislation is slower, but it has the advantage of if

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Speaker 3: you write it in the federal law, it's much harder

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Speaker 3: to change, so it's much more of a permanent change.

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Speaker 3: And so I think the Trump executive orders are trying

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Speaker 3: to accomplish exactly what we're going to accomplish, or I

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Speaker 3: very much hope we're going to accomplish through passing legislation

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Speaker 3: through Congress this year.

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Speaker 1: Let's go through what you think is the most important

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Speaker 1: things that have happened so far and why it's having

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Speaker 1: such a quick impact.

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Speaker 3: The single most important thing for dropping the numbers is

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Speaker 3: ending catch and release. There's no policy decision that There's

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Speaker 3: no policy question that matters more then what happens when

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Speaker 3: you apprehend an illegal immigrant at the border. In terms

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Speaker 3: of illegal immigration, if the answer is you put them

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Speaker 3: on a plane and you fly them home, the numbers plummet,

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Speaker 3: and they plummet immediately because virtually everyone comes into this

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Speaker 3: country illegally has a cell phone, and so they call

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Speaker 3: back home and say, hey, don't come.

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Speaker 2: They don't let you stay.

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Speaker 3: If the answer is what it's been for four years,

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Speaker 3: that they let you stay and go wherever you want. Again,

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Speaker 3: everyone has a cell phone, so they call back home

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Speaker 3: and says, hey, come on up, the border's open.

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Speaker 2: You get to stay.

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Speaker 3: And so ending catch and release and hand in hand

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Speaker 3: with that is reinstating remain in Mexico. Now, look, reinstating

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Speaker 3: remain in Mexico is a little complicated because that actually

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Speaker 3: takes the cooperation of the government in Mexico. So Trump

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Speaker 3: has signed an executive order saying we're going to reinstate it,

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Speaker 3: but the Mexican government has to cooperate for that to work.

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Speaker 3: And that's why Trump has also threatened a twenty five

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Speaker 3: percent tariff on Mexico. That's how he got the Mexican

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Speaker 3: government to agree to remain in Mexico in the first term,

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Speaker 3: and I hope it's how he will get the Mexican

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Speaker 3: government again to agree with it.

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Speaker 1: Now, well, let's talk also quickly for people that just

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Speaker 1: don't understand what's happening in Mexico. Mexico's in a really

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Speaker 1: weird and interesting spot internally in their politics. There's so

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Speaker 1: much corruption down there. Is there a chance that we

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Speaker 1: could see a government stand up to these cartels because

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Speaker 1: of the pressure that Donald Trump is willing to put

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Speaker 1: on them, including using things to leverage like tariffs.

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Speaker 3: I look very possibly and I hope so. I will

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Speaker 3: say it's harder to accomplish now after four years of Biden,

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Speaker 3: because the cartels are much much more powerful. Listen one

560
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Speaker 3: stat that I pointed out many times. In twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 3: the Mexican drug cartels were making roughly five hundred million

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Speaker 3: dollars in revenue from human trafficking. Last year, the Mexican

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Speaker 3: drug cartels made over thirteen billion dollars from human trafficking.

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Speaker 3: That's a two six hundred percent increase. And so what

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden and the Democrats have done is they've turned

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Speaker 3: these drug cartels that are vicious, murdering, torturing. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they are horrible transnational criminal enterprises that they don't care

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Speaker 3: about human life at all. They commit thousands and thousands

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Speaker 3: of murderers, but they turned them into multi, multi billion

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Speaker 3: dollar empires. And it's had a tragic effect on Mexico.

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Speaker 3: The number of murders and kidnappings there. The rule of

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Speaker 3: law has been incredibly undermined. And Joe Biden not only

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Speaker 3: has it done huge damage to America, he's done huge

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Speaker 3: damage to Mexico by making the cartels so powerful. So

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Speaker 3: it is riskier now for the president of Mexico to

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Speaker 3: stand up.

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Speaker 2: To the cartels.

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Speaker 3: She's literally risking her life because the cartels are more

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Speaker 3: than happy to murder politicians. They murdered a lot of

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Speaker 3: politicians in Mexico.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and good at it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, now if they take pride in it, that's

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Speaker 1: how they control. It's like, we'll kill anybody, we don't

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Speaker 1: care who you are.

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Speaker 3: They kill politicians, they kill judges, they kill prosecutors, they

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Speaker 3: kill reporters. I mean, just it is lawless and terror

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Speaker 3: and so listen, I think we will get Mexico to

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Speaker 3: cooperate because at the end of the day, the leverage

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Speaker 3: that the president has is so enormous. And I also

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Speaker 3: think look Amlo, the previous president of Mexico is scared

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Speaker 3: of Trump that I think he's got real credibility. When

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Speaker 3: he threatens to impose the tariffs, you better believe he's

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Speaker 3: willing to do that, and that I think really incentivizes

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Speaker 3: Mexico to cooperate. Now, listen, I think as the United

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Speaker 3: States goes after the cartels, as we cut off their money,

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Speaker 3: as we throw their leaders in prison, as we kill

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Speaker 3: many of the cartel leaders, I think you'll see the

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Speaker 3: cartels being weakened, and that over the next four years,

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Speaker 3: will make it easier for the Mexican government to fight

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Speaker 3: back on them. But Biden and the Democrats' efforts have

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Speaker 3: made the cartels much much more dangerous.

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Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Lastly, I want to get your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on something that was said in Trump's first sit

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Speaker 1: down interview that he did in the Oval office. He

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Speaker 1: did it with our good friend John Hannity, and he

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Speaker 1: was asked about the pardons that Joe Biden gave out,

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Speaker 1: and he made a comment and I want to get

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Speaker 1: your reaction to it about, Hey, he may have messed

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Speaker 1: up because he didn't pardon himself.

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Speaker 4: Take a listen, he heard that I was going to

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Speaker 4: do I didn't want to do it. I was given

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Speaker 4: the option. They said, sir, would you like to pardon everybody,

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Speaker 4: including yourself? I said, I'm not going to pardon anybody.

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Speaker 4: We didn't do anything wrong, and we had people that suffered,

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Speaker 4: their incredible patriots. We had people that suffered. You had

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Speaker 4: Bannon put in jail, you had Peter Navarro put in jail.

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Speaker 4: You had people that suffered, and far worse than that.

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Speaker 4: They've lost their fortunes, They've lost their whatever, their nest egg,

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Speaker 4: paying it to lawyers and those people, and people said

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Speaker 4: to you, and they don't even They wouldn't have even

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Speaker 4: taken most of those people.

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Speaker 2: They wouldn't have even taken apart.

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Speaker 4: This guy went around giving everybody pardons. And you know

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Speaker 4: that the funny thing, maybe the sad thing is he

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Speaker 4: didn't give himself a part.

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Speaker 1: He didn't give himself a pardon. Senator, I gotta I

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Speaker 1: gotta ask you your take on that is that is

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Speaker 1: that a foreshadowing comment coming from from Donald Trump?

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Speaker 3: There, Well, listen, it may well be. And we've been

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Speaker 3: been very clear. We've talked a lot on Verdict about

631
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Speaker 3: how the scandal with with Hunter Biden and the Biden

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Speaker 3: crime family was never about Hunter being a you know,

633
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Speaker 3: guy who abuses drugs and has made a lot of

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Speaker 3: wrong choices in life. The scandal was always that the

635
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Speaker 3: entire Biden family made millions of dollars selling favors from

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Speaker 3: the big guy, selling favors from Joe Biden. It was

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Speaker 3: always about Joe Biden's corruption. And we talked a lot

638
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Speaker 3: about how the Biden doj The tell in terms of

639
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Speaker 3: whether they were being politicized on protecting Biden would be

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Speaker 3: if they fought in the Hunter Biden investigation to protect

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Speaker 3: Joe himself and to prevent any inquiry into his corruption.

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Speaker 3: If they kept it focused on the drug crime or

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Speaker 3: the gun crime, or.

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Speaker 2: Even the the the.

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Speaker 3: Income tax crimes that were personal to Hunter rather than

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Speaker 3: examining the corruption, That's exactly what they did. And so

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Speaker 3: I think that corruption needs to be investigated. I think

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Speaker 3: we need to enforce the law fairly, regardless of party.

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Speaker 3: And I got to say, by the way, we predicted

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Speaker 3: on this podcast, when when the we number one predicted

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Speaker 3: the Hunter Biden pardon, and in fact I put the

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Speaker 3: odds of the Hunter Biden pardon at one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: We even predicted the date I said it would be

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Speaker 3: December of twenty twenty four. It happened on December first

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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty four. But second when that happened, we

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Speaker 3: went on this podcast and predicted said he's going to

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Speaker 3: pardon the rest of his family. Well he did that

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Speaker 3: on the very last day, moments before he left office.

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Speaker 3: He pardoned the rest of his family because they were

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Speaker 3: all involved in the corruption. They were all involved in

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Speaker 3: selling favors. And so right now the only one with

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Speaker 3: potential liability is Joe Biden himself. And you know, Trump's

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Speaker 3: right that it's interesting he didn't pardon himself. Well, we'll

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Speaker 3: see if that has real consequences. By the way, one

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Speaker 3: of the results of all these pardons is that Congress

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Speaker 3: can now subpoena the members of the Biden fan and

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Speaker 3: force them to answer questions under oath, and they don't

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Speaker 3: have a Fifth Amendment right to decline to answer.

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Speaker 1: Really, okay, So a lot of people to know that,

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Speaker 1: including me, So explain that a little bit for everybody,

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Speaker 1: because that is that is big news.

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Speaker 3: So the Fifth Amendment says that you can't be forced

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Speaker 3: to testify against yourself. Now that only applies if you

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Speaker 3: have criminal jeopardy, if you can be prosecuted. Once you've

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Speaker 3: been pardoned, you have no criminal jeopardy, which means you

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Speaker 3: don't have the right to say, I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: answer that because I might incriminate myself in a crime.

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Speaker 3: Because if it's a federal crime, you can't be prosecuted

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Speaker 3: for it, which means if you refuse to answer, you

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Speaker 3: can be held in contempt and put in jail. And

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Speaker 3: so it h it has changed.

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Speaker 1: I will be There's there's a very old there's a

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Speaker 1: very real chance that members of the Biden crime family

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Speaker 1: that were pardon could be asked to come and testify

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Speaker 1: in Congress and they would be forced to answer the

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Speaker 1: questions for the reasons you just stated, yep.

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Speaker 3: And if they don't, by the way, same is true

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Speaker 3: about Fauci that you know, Biden pardon Fauci. That means

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Speaker 3: Fauci doesn't have a Fifth Amendment right to refuse to

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Speaker 3: answer questions under oath. I certainly hope that he's forced

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Speaker 3: to answer those questions. And I got to say so.

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Speaker 1: Not hypothetically. You get Fauci in front of you, you

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Speaker 1: start asking him questions and he just refuses to answer

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Speaker 1: those questions. Is that in contempt? To Congress at that point.

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Speaker 3: Well, Congress has to vote to hold him in contempt

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Speaker 3: for refusing to answer those questions, and then the Department

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Speaker 3: of Justice has to prosecute him. I got to say,

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Speaker 3: I think if Congress voted to hold him in contempt,

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Speaker 3: I think DOJ would prosecute him. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: to be clear, the Biden Department of Justice Trump mentioned

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Speaker 3: putting Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro in prison. They did

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Speaker 3: that because they held them in contempt to Congress. And

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Speaker 3: that was even aside from from pleading the fifth there,

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Speaker 3: they just refused to testify, and they argued that they

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Speaker 3: asserted executive privilege, and DOJ prosecuted them after Congress, after

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Speaker 3: the housewater to hold it in contempt of Congress.

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Speaker 1: Incredible. All right, We've got a lot to watch now.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for that. This is why I love doing the show.

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Speaker 1: We're glad that you're back. We hope you make it

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Speaker 1: home this weekend, back to the fam, and that Democrats

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Speaker 1: don't hold these votes and ruin everybody's weekend with their family,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. Don't forget. We do the show Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

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Speaker 1: We have a week in review for things you may

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Speaker 1: have missed on Saturday, so make sure you grab that show.

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Speaker 1: Also grab my podcast, the Ben Ferguson Podcast, will keep

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Speaker 1: you up to date on those in between days and

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Speaker 1: The Senator and I will see you back here for

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Speaker 1: obviously what's going to be a very exciting show depending

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Speaker 1: on what happens over the weekend. On Monday morning,