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And it's been a really horrific 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: year and a half with Gascon is Ala County District Attorney, 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: and every case seems to be the worst case of 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: them all, and then another one happens, and I really 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: think we've hit rock bottom here with the death of 15 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: two police office cops Monty and Gascon's involvement in allowing 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: the killer to run free. And we're going to talk 17 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: now about this case and a lot of other things 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: with John Lewin. He's a current Deputy DA in La County, 19 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: works for gascone. He works in the Major Crimes Division, 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: which gascone may want to shut down and he's angry 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: at many of the high profile prosecutors in that division 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: because many of them have been speaking out against all 23 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: his policies. John Lewin, who's with us. Also Michelle Annessy, 24 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: the president of the Union. We've had her on many times. 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: John McKinney, who I have seen often on television speaking 26 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: out against the Gascone policies. It's yeah. The division has 27 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: been responsible for the successful prosecution of cases like the 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: serial killer case of Lonnie Franklin, the Grim sleeper, Sam Little, 29 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: who the FBI has confirmed committed sixty homicides, Michael Hughes, 30 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: the Southside slayer, as well as a prosecution of individuals 31 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: who were wealthy and well connected like Phil Specter and 32 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: Robert Dirt. John Lewin, Welcome to the John and Ken Show. 33 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. Thanks, thanks, thanks 34 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: for coming in. Let's start with this case because it's 35 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: been everything for the last two days or so. So 36 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: talk us through the decisions Gascon made almost a year 37 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: and a half ago when the killer, Justin Flores was 38 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: originally making a plea deal over and arrest he'd had 39 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. Talk us through what happened. Sure, So 40 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: let me just start by saying, always have to say this, 41 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: that I'm here in my personal capacity, not as a 42 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: representative Los Angeles County District Attorney's office. So these opinions 43 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: are mine now. They happen to be shared by approximately 44 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: ninety eight percent of the prosecutors in my office. But 45 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 1: I need to get that out. I also need to 46 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: make sure that people understand that what happens is the 47 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: message tends to be attacked by those who are giving it. 48 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: So if if Gascon and his people can say, well, 49 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: it's individuals who they don't like me, they're in the 50 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: union and they might be running for district attorneys someday, etc. 51 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm just a regular prosecutor. I'm not running for DA. 52 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: Although I'm a member of the union, I'm not in 53 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: any executive position at all. I just represent the hundreds 54 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: of lawyers in this office who get up every day 55 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: and we want to protect the community. So let me 56 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: start with it to answer your question. So here's what happened. 57 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: Gascone came into office. Within minutes of coming in, he 58 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: issued a bunch of directives. He didn't talk to anybody 59 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: about in advance. You all know this. He just issued 60 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: them one of those directives said that going forward, we 61 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: were not only not allowed to file strikes. These are 62 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: prior violent and serious felonies passed by the legislature, passed 63 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: by the people. It's the law of the state of California. 64 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: Not only can we not file those, but we had 65 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: to walk into court and we had to dismiss the 66 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: ones we'd already filed. Not only do we have to 67 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: do that, but we had to do that by using 68 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: a section law that says that in this individual case, 69 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: the interest of justice requires us to do so, which obviously, 70 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: if your policy is you have to dismiss every single 71 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: case that's out there, then there's no individual determination taking place. 72 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: So that's what he did. And what happened was, if 73 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: we back up in March of two and twenty, this 74 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: horrific cop killer was picked up at that time with 75 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: a gun and meth amphetamine. Now the problem was is 76 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: not only are those illegal crimes, but he had a 77 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: prior strike, a prior serious felony. So you have a 78 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: guy who has a prior serious felony, He is an 79 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: admitted gang member. He literally has his gang tattooed on 80 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: his face. So you got a guy with a history 81 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: of violence, and I don't know his criminal history. I 82 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: wonder if mister Gascone is going to release, if we'll 83 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: find out how many arrest convictions, contacts, etc. He has. 84 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: I will bet you that it's going to be substantial. 85 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: But in any event, he's picked up, he's arrested, and 86 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: he's charged under Jackie Lace's administration, because he has a 87 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: prior strike, the least amount of time he can get 88 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: is sixteen months doubled to thirty two months. Well, because 89 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: of the pandemic. I'm guessing again, I don't have the 90 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: information on this particular case. The case languages. Again, this 91 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: is happening right after the pandemic starts. So Gasgone takes 92 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: over and then we have, according to media sources in 93 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, after Gasgone takes over, the prosecutor handling 94 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: the case. And I want to be clear on this, 95 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: it is not his fault or responsibility. He's ordered by 96 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: the district attorney to dismiss all strikes. So he goes 97 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: into court and he dismisses the strike, and under Gascons policies, 98 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: this man gets probation, so he goes from spending a 99 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: minimum thirty two months in prison, and now I believe 100 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: he got twenty days, and I don't even know if 101 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: he did that custody time. They know that they declared 102 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: it time served. I think it was held in jail 103 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: for a short time, so he'd already served twenty days 104 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: in jail, I guess at the beginning when he was arrested, 105 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: so he didn't have to serve any further jail time. 106 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: So I think, if we just take a step back, 107 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 1: we've got a gang member with methamphetamine and a gun. 108 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: He's a felon carrying around a firearm. George Gascon is 109 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: supposedly very concerned with all the guns in California and 110 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: with the laws about guns in California. Yet he allows 111 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: this gang member, this felon, to walk loose. But it's 112 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: worse than that, guys, because it's not just that it's 113 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: bad policy. Gascone is told by people in the office, 114 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: your policy is not just bad, it's illegal. You are 115 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: not king, you are not God. You don't get to 116 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: walk in and decide that you don't care what the 117 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: public and the legislature and the citizens have said, and 118 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: the constitution says, you're going to do whatever you want. 119 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: That's not the law. Our association has to sue him 120 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,119 Speaker 1: in court. We have to literally take him to court 121 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: and we win and the original injunction is granted. Then 122 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: the Court of Appeals issues decisions saying it was illegal 123 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: what he was doing. That he has to allege strikes 124 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: and he cannot dismiss them, all of them under the 125 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: interest of justice without strict protocols. So here's the bottom 126 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: line of this situation. And it's very clear these two 127 00:07:53,600 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: officers were murdered because George Gascone or his prosecutors to 128 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: let a violent individual get probation and not go to prison. 129 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: That's what he cares about, releasing violent people. And he 130 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: doesn't care. And when he puts out tweets about how 131 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: he wants to give his best to the family and 132 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: how upset he is, etc. Maybe he should do his job. 133 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: And what's important for people to understand is that this 134 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: recall where we sit right now. This recalls not over. 135 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: If people think that, oh, we've got enough signatures and 136 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: we can just cruise ahead, let me tell you the 137 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: Board of Elections are no friends of the recall. They 138 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: will be throwing out as many petitions as they can. 139 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: We need to have one hundred and fifty thousand more 140 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: than are necessary. So everybody who's upset and who's grieving 141 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: and who's disgusted about what's going on, if you have 142 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: not signed the petition, if you're not out there hustling, 143 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: then this man is not going to end up getting 144 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: on the ballot. That's recalled DA. George Gascon dot Com 145 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: is where you go if you're an LA County registered voter. 146 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: We'll talk more with John Lewin. That's our special guest. 147 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: He's a Deputy DA with the Major Crimes Division in 148 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: the office of the Elli County DA, and of course 149 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: his boss is George Gascon, but he's here representing himself 150 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: and he's given us his take on Gascon and his directives. 151 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: Coming up more Johnny Ken Show CAFI. We're talking with 152 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: Deputy DA John Lewen here in La County who's with 153 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: the Major Crimes Division. In fact, he was telling me 154 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: on the way in he was part of a zoom 155 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: meeting a verdict for a criminal who was committed this 156 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: crime in nineteen eighty four and he finally got convicted today. 157 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: He did myself and Deputy da Ethan Millius finished the 158 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: case and the jury just came back literally in the 159 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: last hour. Wow. And it was a murder case, horrible murder, 160 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: murder and literally to kill time. While they the two 161 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: guys waited to murder a drug dealer, they raped a 162 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: woman in the motel room simply while they were waiting. 163 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: Now we only ended up catching one years later. This 164 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: was a cold case, and now it took almost forty 165 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: years to finally put them away. It did. So there's 166 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: that typically of the kind of stuff you work on, 167 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: it is that the stuff that I work on. For 168 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: the last twenty five years, I've pretty much exclusively done 169 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: cold murder cases, primarily circumstantial cases, non DNA, kind of 170 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: more traditional wife disappears, husband's having an affair with the secretary. 171 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: Husband says, I don't know what happened to the wife. 172 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: Wife has gone and eventually never comes back, and we 173 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: start looking at it and try to put it together. 174 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: We were talking about the Albanti case, the two cops 175 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: who got killed by Justin Flores, and you said you 176 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: had a little more on that. They wanted to add 177 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: I think it's really important, and I am sure that 178 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: what's going to happen now is that George Gascone in 179 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: his admit illustration of public defenders that he has brought 180 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: over to free as many people as they can. That's 181 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: their goal. I'm sure they're now going to try to 182 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: blame everybody else. They're going to try to blame the 183 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: deputy who did the disposition. Yeah, they already he already 184 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: is Oh yeah, they've already blamed the prosecutors, saying that 185 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: he should have come to them with objections. So I 186 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: can tell you and everybody in the office knows that 187 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: they are committed to freeing as many people as possible. 188 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: They don't care about exceptions. With one exception of the exception, 189 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: it turns out that if cases get a ton of publicity, 190 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: that George Gascone is not really as ideological as he 191 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: might seem. So in the end, not only are his 192 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: policies bad, but he's basically a hypocrite who will, at 193 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: the end do whatever is politically expedient. So expect him 194 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: to start now trying to pretend that he's quote following 195 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: the data and listening to the facts. Here's the problem. 196 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: He has let forth so many landmines, and I don't 197 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: think people understand this. We have a resensing unit that's 198 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: been taken over by public defenders. They brought they were 199 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: brought over to our office. They moved just about all 200 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 1: the DA's out. And now what they're doing, and this 201 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: is very unpublicized, they are going around and they are 202 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: changing bringing cases back of people that are already serving 203 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: state prison sentences, murderers, etc. And they are they're getting 204 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: rid of death verdicts and they're modifying sentences because that's 205 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: what his plan is. So I want to make sure 206 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: that people understand something about Elmanti. George Gascone owns what happened. 207 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: The blood is on his hands. It's his policy, and 208 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: you know what, he ought to be man enough to 209 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: stand up and say, yep, that's my policy. I believe 210 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: that what's most important is giving violent criminals twenty seven chances, 211 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: and if some police officers or some innocent kids or 212 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: whoever die in the process, I'm willing to suffer that consequence. 213 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: Did you see this coming and others in your office 214 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: when it became clear that Gascon was going to win 215 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: or he did win, did you think it was going 216 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: to be this bad? No? I never imagine for a moment, 217 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: And I will tell you that I took a position 218 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: from the start. I was not in favor of the 219 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: first recall only because you have to be fair, you 220 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: have to see what is he going to do now. 221 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: I was disturbed, obviously by the special directives which came 222 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: out the very day. He'd never even met with us, 223 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: but I wanted to see what he was going to do. 224 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: People have been absolutely devastated. And the reason, guys that 225 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: are so devastated is we have hundreds of lawyers doing 226 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, far less glamorous cases than some of the 227 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: cases that I get to do. Who come to court. 228 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: They slogged it out all through COVID. They're overwhelmed, and 229 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: they can't protect the public. They can't protect victims. The 230 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: morale is through is to the toilet. We're losing prosecutors 231 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: left and right. And by the way, that's his plan. 232 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: He wants as many of us to leave as possible 233 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: so he can repopulate our office in his image of 234 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: of pro criminal, anti victim uh, you know, public defenders. Basically, 235 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: that that's what he wants to do. Um and another 236 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: thing about Almanti that and again it's hard to believe 237 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: that this is even true, but it is so. George 238 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: Gascone issued a directive, this Especial Directive twenty twelve, and 239 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: what it said was that the Bureau of Victim Services 240 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: will contact the families of individual jules killed by police 241 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: and provide support services, including funeral, burial, and mental health services, 242 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: immediately following the death, regardless of the state of the 243 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: investigation or charging decision. Now, what that appears to say 244 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: is that if you are killed by a police officer, 245 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: even if you yourself have committed a crime, it doesn't 246 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: say if you've been charged, it doesn't apply. It doesn't 247 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: say if you kill a police officer doesn't apply. It 248 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: says that we're going to treat even individuals who kill 249 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: police officers, we're going to treat them like they're victims. 250 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: I mean, Johnny Kennedy, justin Torres, can get his funeral 251 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: paid for by the taxpayers, even though he killed two 252 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: police officers. Well, according to this directive. Now, one of 253 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: the issues, and I don't know, I think we're going 254 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: to have to find out how did he exactly did 255 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: he die? In other words, I don't know. I haven't 256 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: seen an autopsy. Does he end up being killed by police, 257 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: does he end up kill himself? I don't know. But 258 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: what's important is is that if it turns out that 259 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: the police killed him, and you look at this directive, 260 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: and I'm sure gascone and and you know, he brought 261 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: in a grade two by the way, a guy with 262 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: like five trials. He made him chief deputy, So I'm sure, 263 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: and then you're you're aware of you know, his shenanigans. 264 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: But in any event, I'm sure that right now they're 265 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: out there coming up with justifications for what they've done. 266 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: It's absolutely it's shameful, it's insulting to the public and guys, 267 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: it's dangerous, and maybe worst of all, a DA has 268 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: a right to implement policy. They are not kings. They 269 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: don't get to say I'm not going to enforce the law, 270 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: and they don't get to tell their lawyers that they 271 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: have to go into court and lie to judges, to 272 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: tell judges you're honor under this case. The interest of 273 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: justice require me to dismiss it. But it turns out, judge, 274 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: we say this on every case, so there's no individual factors. 275 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: That's just what we do. That was his policy, and 276 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: the only reason it's not still as policy is a 277 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: court said it's illegal. All right, hang on, talk more 278 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: with John Lewin from the La County District Attorney's office. 279 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: He's one of the deputy DA's just one a case 280 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: this afternoon over a nineteen eighty four murder and he's 281 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: speaking out against George Gascone. And we have been talking 282 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: a lot about the Almonty double murder of the two 283 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: police officers there and under Gascon's policy, we might be 284 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: paying for the killer's funeral because he was if he 285 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: was proven to be shot dead by the cops. John 286 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: and Ketcho Cafe, We're talking with John Lewin, Deputy DA 287 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: here in La County, works for Gascon, and he's speaking 288 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: out strongly against Gascone and explaining the whole debacle involving 289 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: Justin Flores and the two el Monty police officers who 290 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: were murdered by Flores, everything that led up to it. 291 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: He's part of the Major Crimes Division. And the story 292 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: is is the Gascone is coming after the Major Crimes 293 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: Division and you and some other top members, well known, 294 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: high profile das because you've been speaking out against Gascone 295 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: and he wants revenge. What's what's the story on this? 296 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: So this goes back and I'm gonna I'm gonna tell 297 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: it saccinctly. So originally, when Gascone came in, I was 298 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: involved for several years on a case, and so I 299 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: was myself and the team I was working with. We 300 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: were kind of insulated. And after that that case completed, 301 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: I met Gascon one time and I ended up getting 302 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: a call from him telling he told me that he 303 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: wanted to give me an award and listen to what 304 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: he had to say. And I'd made clear the first 305 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: time I met him. I had thanked him for what 306 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: we were discussing that day, and I told him that 307 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: I disagreed with his policies. So I wasn't you know, 308 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: I was respectful, but I told him straight up. So 309 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: he said he wanted to give me this award, and 310 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: this award ended up part of it was he wanted 311 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: me to go take pictures with him, and the ward 312 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: was remote and I accepted it. And when he said 313 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: he wanted pictures, I sent an emails basically saying, I 314 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 1: will not pose for pictures with you. I appreciate the 315 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: fact that you've given me this award, but posing for 316 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: pictures would be an endorsement of your policies which I 317 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: do not support. And I won't do it. I never 318 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: received response from that. Now, I had always been very 319 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: vocal in my support of Jackie Lace, the prior district attorney, 320 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: and the concerns that I had about some of the 321 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: things that he was doing. So all of a sudden 322 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: in February it came to the attention to numerous individuals 323 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: in the office that Gascone we had heard was planning 324 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: on not just getting rid of the Major Crimes Division. Remember, 325 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: the das can do whatever they want. You know, they 326 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: got he got rid of our hardcore gang division. So 327 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: if you want to talk about great timing guys in 328 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: the middle of one of the worst crime waves in 329 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: the history of Los Angeles, I know you're gonna agree 330 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: with me. What makes the most sense is, you know, 331 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: it would be great with all these gang murders, let's 332 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: get rid of our gang unit. And that's what he did. 333 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: He got rid of the gang unit. But but unfortunately 334 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: he has the legal right to do that, and he 335 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: did it. His problem is is that it got back 336 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: to us that what he was going to do was 337 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: he was going to get rid of the Major Crimes Division. 338 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: But he was doing it because he wanted to silence 339 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: three of us in the unit by name myself, Michelle 340 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: Hannessy and John McKinney. Yeah, he wanted silence us. And 341 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: the information that we got back was he realized he 342 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: couldn't transfer us because we were two three out of 343 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: roughly eight or nine of us in the unit. So 344 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: they were going to close the unit as quote a 345 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: way to retaliate against us. So went to the lawyers, 346 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: and the ADDA Association lawyer sent them a letter and 347 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: the letter basically explained what the concerns were. And we 348 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: got back the following letter and it's it's it's just shocking, 349 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: this is dated, it's very short. This is back in 350 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: March sixteenth. Our letter was February twenty second, and it says, 351 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: and I'm omitting the first sense, which doesn't matter. We 352 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: appreciate your letter and concerns for the Major Crimes Division, Okay. 353 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: There are no active plans to dissolve or disband the 354 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: Major Crimes Division of Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office, okay, 355 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: and it had not been previously considered. However, since you 356 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: raise the issue and brought it to our attention, will 357 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: be sure to consider it in the regular and ongoing 358 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: assessment of the offices operations. Now this is sent by 359 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: somebody name Tim Pascatello, who is listed as a senior 360 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: manager for Benefits and employee Relations. But what he is 361 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: is he's a lawyer. He's a labor lawyer. So a 362 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: labor lawyer. In responding to a letter from our lawyers 363 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: saying you're going to we're concerned you're going to illegally 364 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: retaliate against us by closing the unit for that purpose, 365 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: their lawyer's brilliant response is to basically threaten us and 366 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: tell us, well, now that you brought it up, maybe 367 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: we're going to do it, you know. So again, one 368 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: of the things that we always debate amongst, you know, 369 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: the lawyers and the offices. Are these individuals. Are they 370 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: more disingenuous and corrupt in their policies or are they 371 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: just completely don't know what's going on. I don't know 372 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: what the answer is. This is one of the dumbest 373 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: things I've ever heard of. Now, obviously, I think at 374 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: this point in time, if they were to retaliate against us, 375 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: if they were to close the unit, if he was 376 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: to transfer me, you know, I think he knows what's 377 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: going to happen, so he also has bigger fish to fry. 378 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: Right now, there is a horrendous scandal. I think you 379 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: guys are aware of this. Have you ever seen every 380 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: day there is a new horrific scandal. You can't keep 381 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: track of one. Last week it's the poor woman who 382 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: is being run over by a guy, and Gascon not 383 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: only doesn't file attempt and murder, he doesn't file assault 384 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: with a deadly weapon, which is the car. There's just 385 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: no way around that. So it's very clear that what's 386 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: going on is that he's going from crisis to crisis 387 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 1: to crisis and anyway he can, he's basically throwing anybody 388 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: over the boat, over the side that he can find. Hopefully, 389 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: the voters of this county are going to be smart 390 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: enough to understand who he is, what he stands for, 391 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: and what is going on. And I just want to 392 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: add this, and this is pretty simple. George Gascon likes 393 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: talk about he follows the data and the science, and 394 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: the data in science has been debunked. But but let's 395 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: even erase that for a second. Forget about anything. You know, 396 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: if you tell violent gang members, if you tell them, hey, listen, 397 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: we're no longer going to penalize you for committing crimes 398 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: as gang members. We're no longer going to penalize you 399 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: extra for bringing a gun. We're no longer going to 400 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: penalize you extra for using that gun in a crime. 401 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: Guess what happens. Gang members go out, they gang crimes, 402 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: They bring guns and they use them and then you 403 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: know what they do. They get taped and you hear 404 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: them saying gas going's got my back, And you're a 405 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: police officers saying that. Individuals they arrest are saying, nothing's 406 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: going to happen to me. So the public needs to 407 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: understand if you're going to allow violent criminals to be 408 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: violent and suffer no consequences, they're going to be violent. 409 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: You know, it's pretty much when when my son was kid, 410 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: all he wanted to eat was candy. That was it. 411 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: If I would have said, hey, eat whatever you want, 412 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: he'd still be eating candy. So you know, there's a 413 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: time to Actually, anybody who has a two year old 414 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: knows what human behavior. There's an inmate that wants a 415 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: gas going tattoo. These recorded phone calls are unbelievable. And 416 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: of course there's the James Tubbs case. The Tubbs case. 417 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's its own hour. Where do you 418 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: even I mean, I think, guys, if I were to 419 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: say to you, if I were to pick any of 420 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: these five, we could pick ten different case and I 421 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: told you here's what happened, you would say, there's no way. 422 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: That's not believable. If this were a plot to a movie, 423 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: and this were a pitch in Hollywood, we'd be tossed 424 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: out the door and someone would say, this is not realistic, 425 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: no one will ever buy it. Well, guess what, It's 426 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: not a plot. It's real life. This is what's happening 427 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: every day. And by the way, the people paying the 428 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: freight for this are the communities of color that supposedly 429 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: he's trying to protect. Where is all this violent crime happening. 430 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 1: Who are the people that are coming forward? If you 431 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: take a look at the victims that you see, most 432 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: of them are people of color. All right, hang on, 433 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: we'll finish up. Coming up one more segment with John 434 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: Lewin and he's a deputy dish attorney here in La County. 435 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: He's been working under Gascon for a year and a 436 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: half and you can hear he's letting it out this 437 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: hour and telling you what's really going on recalled DA 438 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: George Gascon dot com is absolutely a must. John and 439 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: Ken a few more minutes with John Lewin, the Deputy 440 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: DA the Major Crimes Division working for Gascone, and he's 441 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: explaining what life is really like on the inside. One 442 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: of the things you mentioned is the resentencing that's going 443 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: on for all the past cases and gascons people are 444 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: actually going behind the backs of the prosecutors and going 445 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: into the old cases and starting the resentencing procedure and 446 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 1: the prosecutors don't even always know what's going on. Yeah, 447 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: So what's happened is that laws that George Gascon either 448 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: wrote or supported. So when he talks about, well, I'm 449 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: just following the law, it's a little disingenuous because he 450 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: wrote co author of Prop. Forty seven and he supported Prop. 451 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 1: Fifty seven. So one of the things the legislature has 452 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: done is they're going after not just new times, but 453 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: they want to basically free and shorten sentences for a 454 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: bunch of violent individuals who are currently in prison. So 455 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: what happens is is we have a unit that handles resentencings, 456 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: that handles what's called habeas where defendants are filing motions. 457 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,959 Speaker 1: Defendants cases don't end until the person dies, often particularly 458 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: in murder cases. So what will happen is, traditionally we 459 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: have our office. They're battling what are generally meritless petitions, 460 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: and they end up contacting the trial deputies. We know 461 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: what's going on. What Gascon did was is he brought 462 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: in public defenders to not only run the unit. But 463 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: now what he's done is he's basically driven out I 464 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: think just about all of the original prosecutors who are 465 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: in it, and it is now almost exclusively primary. It's 466 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: public defenders, and it's a few das who basically have 467 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: well switch side. You know, I'm gonna be careful what 468 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: I say, draw your own conclusion. But in any event, 469 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: so what they do is is they go back and 470 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: they work with defense attorneys and in essence they make 471 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: little deals to change the result on cases, and then 472 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: they go to judges and they try to get those 473 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: judges to buy off on them. And the legislature is 474 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: helping them because the legislature keeps passing more and more 475 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: laws to allow this to happen. So, in essence, our 476 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: office now consists of handling these cases. There's a defense 477 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: attorney representing the defendant, and there's a defense attorney representing 478 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: the prosecution, and those two defense attorneys get together and 479 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: they make deals. And the only hope that we have 480 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: is that a judge actually understands what's going on and says, 481 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it. Oftentimes, we're not going 482 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: to find out about it. I have heard now as 483 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: far as I know, I don't know if this has 484 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: affected any of my case cases, but honestly, I wouldn't know. 485 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: But there are certain cases now that people try to 486 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: get in. We have a computer system. Lawyers that handled 487 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: their own cases are being locked out of their own cases. 488 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: Oh that's not a good sign. No, So they're locking 489 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: out the prosecutors who prosecuted these cases. And so you 490 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: don't know if the guy you prosecuted is out on 491 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: the streets. Correct. So that's crazy. Well, what's happening is 492 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: is their goal is to go back. Remember the whole 493 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: idea that the prisons are full of a bunch of 494 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: people who just, uh, we're smoking marijuana, etc. All those 495 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: people are long gone. It's something like between eighty and 496 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: ninety percent of the individuals who are still in custody 497 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: in California state prisons are violent, so there isn't anybody 498 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: who's not dangerous to let go. So what guess going 499 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: in in his group? And you know, and again this 500 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: is what George Soros, who sponsored him, this is what 501 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: they want. So what they're doing is they're going around 502 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: and they are, in essence, reversing what's already happened. Justice 503 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: was done, a jury spoke, a judge sentenced, and they're 504 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: going around and they're changing it, and it's being done 505 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: in the dark, and nobody knows. You know, how we 506 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: find out. We find out because some juvenile who gets 507 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: resentenced goes out and commits a new crime. Some guy 508 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: who is ending up being freed because of a disposition 509 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: where he was supposed to get life and now he's 510 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: out in fifteen years, he goes out and commits another crime. 511 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: And the problem for our county is that every one 512 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: of these violent offenders who's being let out is a landmine. 513 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: Now is every landmine going to explode? Not everyone's going 514 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: to explode, but enough we are going to explode. And 515 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: there are so many out there right now that even 516 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: if he stopped doing what he's doing, there's so many 517 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: out there that we're going to be feeling the consequences 518 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: of George Gascone for years and years and years. And 519 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: the second problem, which I know you guys talk about, 520 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: is the legislature and the people behind him. George Gascone 521 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: is basically being used as a tool by Professor Romano 522 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: from Stanford, the anti the decarceration people. He's their vessel 523 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: and he's a very willing vessel and that's what he's doing. 524 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: So people need to understand. And that goes to the 525 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: whole issue of we've got to get this man recalled. 526 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: It is not over. If people don't get up and 527 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: start working and start signing and start hustling, we're going 528 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: to be stuck with this guy. And can you imagine 529 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: what he will be doing if he ends up not 530 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: getting recalled. How that's going to embolden him. What next 531 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: We're going to get signature recalled? Dah George Gascone dot com. 532 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: John Lewin, thanks for stopping by. Really appreciate it. Yeah, 533 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me, guys. I really 534 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: appreciate I might be a back. 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