1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: It's an emergency episode of the Pack twelve Apostles. We 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: have a new commissioner, George Killikoff, President of Entertainment and 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: Sports at MGM Resorts. He's the new commissioner. Larry Scott's 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: tenure is officially over, and we teased it on Twitter. 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: We are going to tell you, guys how the PAC 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: twelve Apostles figured out how the who the commissioner was 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: gonna be before the ap broke it, before a Wildner, 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: before Kanzana, before anybody else, Bruce Feldman, anybody will tell 9 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: you how we came up with it and how we knew. 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: I'm George Rice Stir, He's Ralph Amston and this is 11 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve Apostles. You guys can always shoot us 12 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: an email I'm mad, I am am a D at 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: Unafraid Show dot com. 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Um so, Ralph, when you found so we 21 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: we knew that this news was going to be breaking 22 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: at some point in time soon, But the fact that 23 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: we heard that there was gonna be a press conference, 24 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: were you surprised that the name hadn't leaked earlier? Because 25 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: we had seen names like Oliver luck uh Freer from Hulu, 26 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: who I was a big fan of. Um, the potential 27 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: for there being it being two jobs instead of one job, 28 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: which I floated out there. Um, were you surprised that 29 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: it hadn't broken earlier than you know that the conference 30 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: have been so tight lipped about it. Definitely? Um, definitely, 31 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: because everything leaks. Everybody kind of has their their guys. UM. 32 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: I remember, for the longest time when I was covering 33 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: Arizona State, anytime Todd Graham wanted to get anything out there, 34 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: or the Graham staff or the Arizona State Sports Information Department, 35 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: they would go through Pete Famile of Sports Illustrated, Like 36 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: you had like eighteen people dedicated to covering Arizona State sports, 37 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: and Pete Famil, who pays zero attention to anything locally 38 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: unless it's time to break news, would always have the information. 39 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: And so, you know, you figure and we know for 40 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: a fact that all of these people have really close 41 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: knit relationships with UM. Bruce Feldman on this podcast I've 42 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: gone through before and if you just look up Bruce 43 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: Feldman's mentions of the PAC twelve head coaches as they're 44 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: about to be hired or during the higher he always 45 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: says nice things and then he always kind of gets 46 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: the exclusive to do a deep dive on profiling UM 47 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: these coaches, and so you know, you'd figure UM, then 48 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: you have you know, John Canzano and John Wilner who 49 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: who cover the conference extensively, and then you have some 50 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: other people who are are are plugged in UM. And 51 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: the thought was that you know, maybe somebody would know 52 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: something because the same five or six names that that 53 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: kept coming up were one by one over time, just 54 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: turning the job down until finally, I think in the 55 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: last two days, UM all of her Luck and Gene Smith, 56 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: which were probably clubhouse leaders for a lot of people, UM, 57 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: became definite knows. UM. Yeah, and so it's yeah, but 58 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: you know what this is, Row, what this is just 59 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: like when anybody else gets gets hired, they got their 60 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: first they got the only person who they offered the 61 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: job too. Is the person who took it. You know 62 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: that they didn't. They didn't offer Oliver Luck, they didn't 63 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: offer Freer from Hulu, they didn't offer you know, uh, 64 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: the Greg Burns from Alabama. They didn't offer any of 65 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: those people. They got their man, the man that they 66 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: wanted from the beginning, growth right right. I mean I 67 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: don't corporates. I don't spend any any any time any 68 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: company is saying anything, especially when they're introducing a person 69 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: or a product, I try to ignore the like fifty 70 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 1: thousand buzzwords that you see in any of those circumstances 71 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: and just get right to the heart of like, Okay, 72 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: what is this person's background and what are they saying publicly? 73 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: And that's why it's important to have a decent media 74 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: base to be able to come in and ask very 75 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: important questions. And with Larry Scott it just got exhausting 76 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: because I would go to the pack twelve media day 77 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: year after year, and the media members would just be 78 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: beat down by about the sixth year of having to 79 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: ask questions about, you know, are you going to get 80 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: a relationship with direct TV? It was like, I mean 81 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: nobody even wanted to ask. Maybe one person would, whereas 82 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: like if this was, you know, a New York Giants 83 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: press conference and they called an ill advised time out, 84 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: thirteen different people from the Daily News and the Post 85 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: and the Athletic, and then you know, fourteen other publications 86 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: would follow up with what about that time out? What 87 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: about that time out? What about that time out? Like 88 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: West Coast Media has a reputation of being soft, but 89 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: like I think West Coast Media understands when something is 90 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: corporate speaking is just completely pointless. And one of the 91 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: things that Larry Scott did was absolutely beat the life 92 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: out of West Coast Media people who weren't even really 93 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: paying all that close attention to the Pack twelve in 94 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: the first place, because the product hasn't been all that great, um. 95 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: But when they did pay attention, they would just get 96 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: absolute corporate speak drivel from a man who very clearly 97 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: did not have the right answers, but thought that if 98 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: he talked long enough, he could get away with it, 99 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: and you know, so the whole thing, but didn't. Didn't 100 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: he get away with it to the tune of what 101 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: like over twenty million dollars he was cashing checks? But 102 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:33,239 Speaker 1: do you know a single I mean, like I would 103 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: think that in any other circumstance, John Kanzano and John 104 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: Wilner and even you and I would be judging somebody 105 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: on the merits of what they bring to the table 106 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: in the conference. But like for the last three years 107 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: of Larry Scott, it was like we would start off 108 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: and be like, hey, guess with this asshole did like 109 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: it was just like the level of jaded nous was 110 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: it was really extreme. He had no credibility. He had 111 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: like a couple of powerbroker defenders, right, He had Michael Krow. 112 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 1: Which is really interesting that Arizona State University just posted 113 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: a photo UM with new Pack twelve commissioner George Kliaevkov 114 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: and Ray Anderson and Michael Crow all standing together unified, 115 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: because Michael Crowe was a big reason why Larry Scott 116 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: wasn't fired four years ago, because he had a lot 117 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 1: of power in the process and was an avid defender 118 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: of keeping Larry Scott on board and and trying to 119 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: paint anybody who thought otherwise as an idiot. UM. I 120 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: don't know, man, we were really beating around the bush 121 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: here though. Let's get into the good stuff, because this 122 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: is what people want to hear. Let's go back George 123 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: too this morning when you picked up the phone and 124 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: called me knowing that there was going to be a 125 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 1: press conference in two hours. Okay, Okay, Before we even 126 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: do that, I want I want to answer a question real, 127 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: real quick, which is and then then we will get 128 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: into how the news was broken before the ap before 129 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: anybody else the Pack twelve apostles knew who your new 130 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: commissioner was going to be and it was tweeted out. 131 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: So route, how important do you think that this commissioner 132 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: higher was? Like? Did that? Did the fate of the 133 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: Pack twelve universe rest on this higher? I believe, I 134 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: believe it did. I believe the total existence of the 135 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: conference as a power five, an ability to win championships 136 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: and all that rested on this higher. I'm with you, UM, 137 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: and I don't want to get unnecessarily political on this UM, 138 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: on this show. There's no reason to, but I want to. 139 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: I want to draw some compared and somebody tweeted something 140 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: today that UM that basically said, like, uh, there's this 141 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: congresswoman from Georgia. Her name is Marjorie Taylor Green, and 142 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: she has done a lot of like really weird look 143 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: at me antics things. She bought into Q and on 144 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: super hard. She she's bought into a bunch of conspiracy theories. 145 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: She's made a spectacle, She's yelled at people in public, 146 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: she has drawn a bunch of attention to reself. She's 147 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: done some really weird stuff right regardless of party, not 148 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: bringing up any policy issues to keep herself in the news. 149 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: She's done a lot of really weird things. And somebody 150 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: tweeted something earlier today that really made me think of 151 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve. They said, like, this woman has done 152 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: stuff that would get her kicked out of a Chuck 153 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: e Cheese, and we still can't kick her out of Congress. 154 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: And I was thinking about it, and it was like 155 00:09:55,520 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: Larry Scott was so bad for so long, and everyone 156 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: knew it. It was common knowledge that he not only 157 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: did not complete the majority of his objectives, but it 158 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: was numerically quantifiable that the PAC twelve had fallen behind 159 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: in recruiting, metrics, in financials, in overall success of the conference. 160 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:30,119 Speaker 1: We just had a basketball tournament in which Larry Scott 161 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: lost the credibility for the PAC twelve as well as 162 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. So there's always going to 163 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: be a bias toward things that happened on the West Coast, 164 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: and I'm now that I'm an East Coast resident, I'm 165 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: starting to understand it. But the thing that used to 166 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: balance out the East Coast bias was the benefit of 167 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: the doubt that the PAC twelve was a Power five conference. 168 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: Larry Scott's management cost the PAC twelve the benefit of 169 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: the doubt, and the PAC twelve, at least in men's basketball, 170 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: ended up having to have success from super low seeds 171 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: all the way across the board because they had lost 172 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: that benefit of the doubt, Like it's on almost every 173 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: measurable Larry Scott was failing miserably, and not one damn 174 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: thing was done about it. And so that brings me 175 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: back around to be able to answer your question. We 176 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: have a lot of people in this country and positions 177 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: of influence and positions of power who aren't facing any 178 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: type of accountability whatsoever for the fact that they aren't 179 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: doing their job correctly. And it's extremely frustrating for the 180 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: person who shows up fifteen minutes late to work at 181 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: a QT gas station and there ask gets kicked to 182 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: the curb, right because that's a QT gas station and 183 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: they could use a second chance. Meanwhile, you have somebody 184 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: completely ruining an entire conference and operating in such a 185 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: way that the entire conference has completely lost respect, and 186 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: you don't have any consequences for that. And so that 187 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: brings me to my answer to your question. George, this 188 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: is the most important possible higher the in all of 189 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 1: college football right now, because it matters to all of 190 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: college football, not just the Pack twelve, that the product 191 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: is good, that the product is visible, that college football 192 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: as a brand is strong and forward thinking. Because at 193 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: the end of the day, the one thing that Larry 194 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: Scott taught us is if George cleafkov fux this up, 195 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: there's not gonna be any consequences except for the results. Yes, dude, 196 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: that means that you will either be to the point 197 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: where the top teams have to leave the conference or 198 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: they're no longer you know, or they're no longer relevant. 199 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: I mean, imagine, like if you look at what Mario 200 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: Cristo Baul is doing on the recruiting trail, and imagine 201 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: if there are no results for that, Like if that 202 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: just stops because you can't win a championship and all 203 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: of this, that would be a disaster. Dude, That I mean, 204 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: and the same thing for USC fans. They want to 205 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: see something different with Clay Hilton. If then you won't 206 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: be able to hire a top tier, a proven, top 207 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: tier head coach. You will always be speculating right if 208 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: your USC, because you'll be in a conference where people 209 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: will be like, okay, well you can't win there. And 210 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: it's hard to recruit, even in a fertile recruiting ground 211 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: like l A. But now it is time, though, it 212 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: is time for the truth, the big reveal of how 213 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve apostles scooped everybody as far as the 214 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: PAC twelve commissioner George Clikoff. And mind you, let's let's 215 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: let's read a couple of the Wilner tweets because this 216 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: is very important when it comes to it, because if 217 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: you go back, you heard that, Okay, Oliver luck is 218 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: out of the hot board search, um big name in 219 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: the box two out of three? Who from where? Two 220 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: out of five? And you're just like okay. Then he 221 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: says that what what what do you say that? Nine 222 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: oh so? So I tweeted at him, I said, if 223 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: it ain't Randy Frere, I'm nervous. And then he said 224 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: it's not Freer. And then he tweeted out and I 225 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: was like, hold up. Then he said Pack twelve fans, 226 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: and my mind, you we were already in the process 227 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: of figuring out who who it was by the by 228 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: the time I tweeted Randy Frere at eight nine this morning, 229 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: we had already figured it out at that point in time. 230 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: And then John Wilner tweeted out Pack twelve fans. Better 231 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: hope the presidents put as much energy into making the 232 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: smart decision as they have into keeping a secret. Then 233 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: the next tweet, which is very important, there's a ninety 234 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: nine percent chance that nobody in college sports has ever 235 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: heard of the next Pack twelve commissioner, according to his source. 236 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: And then he comes back and says, I figured out 237 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: the I d of the next Pack twelve commission but 238 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: I am so shocked that quadruple confirmation is required to 239 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: make sure I'm not being set up. We already knew 240 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: at that point in time, because I tweeted um immediately, 241 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: I quote tweeted John John Wilner there and I said, 242 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: which tweet at which tweet? Which tweet? Did you? Did 243 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: you quote tweet? You can establish that it was before 244 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: John Wilner said, yeah, this is the time snap thing 245 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: so and I made sure to tell people check the 246 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: time stamp so at exactly am so an hour and 247 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: thirty four minutes before the press conference, and like what 248 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: was it like forty minutes minutes before? Ralph Russo at 249 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: the at the a P tweeted out who the commissioner 250 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: was going to be? Yes at that point in time. 251 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: That's when I responded to that tweet and I said, 252 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: possible Pack twelve commissioner named that we haven't heard yet 253 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: is George Killikoff, President of President of Entertainment and Sports 254 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: at MGM Resorts hashtag just a guess winky face And 255 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: people were like, yo, did he really do this? And 256 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: here is here is the truth. I work with a warlock. 257 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: I worked with the warlock slash which hit named Ralph Amsden. 258 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: And if Ralph's superpower is finding out information that nobody 259 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: is supposed to know and with with with and and 260 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: that's the totally important and he did this without one 261 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: single solitary source Ralph. Ralph figured it out and Ralph 262 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: was like, Yo, George, do uh do what do you 263 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: think about this? He laid out the whole scenario. For 264 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: me how he figured it out. And I said, all right, 265 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: I'm cool. I trust you and I know your abilities, 266 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: and this all makes so much sense. I will tweet 267 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: it out because that's how much I trust you, Ralph 268 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: and your investigation skills and so so Ralph deserves a 269 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: big pad on the back. He deserves something good to 270 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: happen to him in his house, right right right for 271 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: uh for figuring this out. Great job, Ralph, Kudos to you, buddy. 272 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: Hi fun. I just I want to go back to 273 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: the point, and I don't want to give away too 274 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: many trade secrets because this is this is something that 275 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: I've actually done a few times. Like, uh, if you 276 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: go back to remember the because we came all the 277 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: all the buddy, if you go back to the American 278 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: Alliance of Football when they were announcing their team names 279 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: and coaches the day before the Arizona hot Shots named 280 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: Rick news new Heisl their head coach. I said, the 281 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: Arizona franchise should be called the hot Shots and they 282 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 1: should hire Rick new Heisel. Already knew those two things 283 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: are gonna happen. And it and again, this is if 284 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: you know where to look for certain things online, like 285 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: you can you can, and you use deductive reasoning, you 286 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: can figure some stuff out. This was this is a 287 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: really weird one because you called me. I think we 288 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: all started seeing all the alerts, so like, Hey, the 289 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: pacticle is gonna have a press conference. I was on 290 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: a business call with somebody from my hometown in Wyoming 291 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: and I saw that you were calling, and I was like, oh, 292 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: I know what he wants to talk about. And when 293 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: I answered the phone, you're You said, what are you 294 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: up to? And what did I tell you? Oh, figuring 295 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: out who the next commissioner is. Yeah, I'm trying to 296 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: figure out who the next commissioners. You said, Oh, of 297 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: course you are. And I was like, okay, give me 298 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: a minute, because I think I think there's a couple 299 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just one name. I said, I think 300 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: there's a couple of names here that I uncovered that 301 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: are really really outside the box. But they might if 302 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: they're really saying that Oliver Luck dropped out, if Jane 303 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: Smith dropped out and it hasn't leaked yet, if it 304 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: hasn't leaked yet, then it's got to be somebody outside 305 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: the industry or and there I floated the other idea 306 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: which was or it has to be internal. Yeah, you 307 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: told me, no way, no way, no way. I was like, 308 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: you can't have you can't hire somebody who was there 309 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: when the crime was committed and and expect there not 310 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: to be a mutiny. I was like, there's no way 311 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: that the commit that the president's and chances could be disincompetent. 312 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: And and I'm not saying that Martin hank is gonna 313 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: be bad at his job or anything like like that. However, 314 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: you cannot bring somebody like if you're looking for a change, 315 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: you can't hire somebody from within when the when the 316 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,479 Speaker 1: mess is so broken and you were a part of 317 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: it and or complicit on on on some level, like 318 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: you need uh Joe Joe Clark from lean on me 319 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: to come in and be like, put the change, take 320 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: the change off the door, take the change up to 321 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: the enemy is here. And so when you convinced me 322 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: that that was an impossibility, then the focus fell on 323 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: the one external candidate that I believed, which was very 324 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: far outside the box, could be possible. So then you 325 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: and I started talking about it. It made so much 326 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: sense because okay, so if you're looking at so we 327 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: we knew it couldn't be somebody who was at a 328 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: school already, because if they were, if it were somebody 329 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: who was at an institution already, then they would have 330 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: then somebody from their institution would have leaked the fact 331 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: that they were leaving. Like so, so it wasn't so 332 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: we knew it was somebody who was not currently at 333 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: a school right that it had to make it funny 334 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: because you and I were, as you and I were 335 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: discussing who it could or could not be, the president 336 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: of the University of Ohio resigned and I was like, oh, 337 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: like this throws a wrench and everything because it was happening. 338 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: And an hour before the press conference, the president of 339 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: the University of Ohio stepped down and I was like, wait, 340 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: what's this And then he put out an announcement saying 341 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: that he was stepping down to remain a professor at 342 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: the University of Ohio. And I was like, okay, because that, 343 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that would have that probably would have thrown 344 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: me off the scent big time. Yeah, And when when 345 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: we so so we we actually said the name uh 346 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: cleakoff probably twenty thirty minutes before that tweet was sent, 347 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: like twenty or thirty minutes and then it was like wait, 348 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: hold up, okay, let's and then we circled back to 349 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 1: him after eliminating other candidates, and it just made so 350 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: much sense. It was like, Okay, this is a man 351 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: who has been in the sports gaming business. He has 352 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: been in the UM like involved with the w n 353 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: B A. Yeah, he's been involved. He was the head 354 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: of a virtual reality company. Yes, so he's full helping 355 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: bring who like he helped invent Hulu and launch it. Um, 356 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: he's part of Real Player. He's been associated with the NBA. 357 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: He is a mega sports fan. Um. And we'll get 358 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: into my Twitter reconnaissance on this guy uh in a 359 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: little bit. But I mean he's posted photos with you know, 360 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: himself at Rangers games and Giants games and Yankees games. 361 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: He posted a photo with himself watching an NBA Finals 362 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: game with David Stern, like sitting with David Stern watching 363 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals. So, I mean, this is a dude 364 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: who has been all over sports for a really long time. 365 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: I went back and listened to several interviews that he 366 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: gave about different events that would take place in Las Vegas, 367 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: because you know, like the who did Tyson Fury fight Wilder. Yeah. 368 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: So I listened to a podcast where he talked about 369 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: bringing in Fury Wilder too to fight at the the MGM. 370 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: Grand Um, he's a he is somebody who is very, 371 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: very up to date on what is popular inside and 372 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: out of sports. But obviously sports is the most important 373 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: thing for for the PAC twelve conference, but so is business, 374 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: and so is pop culture, and so is technology. Yeah, 375 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: and and that's where I think that he is going 376 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: to I thought that this was a home run higher. 377 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: I thought that this was about as good as you 378 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: could get. I mean, because because you got a guy 379 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: who was not only competent, but he is he's done 380 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: the job like, he's going to be forward thinking. He's 381 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: not gonna stay in the box and say, oh, well, 382 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: this is how we've always done it at the conference. 383 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: Let's and he's not gonna be reactionary because he understands 384 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: and knows that there is that there's a that there's 385 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: a cost, that there's a huge cost to waiting. And 386 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: he's put together huge deals for Hulu, for with MGM, 387 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: with other companies he's been involved with. So this is 388 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: a man who gets it, you know what I mean. Like, 389 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: and I look forward to seeing the types of things 390 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: that he's gonna do for the conference, to increase the 391 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: um availability of the conference, and to figure out who 392 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,479 Speaker 1: he's going to partner with. So what did your Twitter 393 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: reconnaissance lead you to? Well, first of all, Larry Scott 394 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: was not on social media, which is something that you 395 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: and I bemoaned repeatedly because you don't have to read 396 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: your mentions, but having a venue and an avenue with 397 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: which to communicate with people directly is incredibly important. You 398 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: should be where the people are, like and the fact, 399 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: and it just reinforced the fact that he couldn't get 400 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: the conferences games in front of people, He couldn't even 401 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: get himself in front of people like it was. It was, 402 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: it was absolutely absurd. Like you, he would have gotten 403 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: a lot of hate and his mentions would have been 404 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: a dumpster fire. But I also think that if he 405 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: was the type of person to get out there and 406 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: face the music, then he would have been the type 407 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: of person that actually held himself accountable for some of 408 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: the decisions that he made. And so you know, we 409 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: went from somebody who didn't have social media to George Kleevkov, 410 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: who has been on Twitter as long as you and 411 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: I have. George I got on February two thousand nine. Yeah, 412 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: I was finding tweets from him like two for sure, 413 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: and he was one of those guys I think he 414 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be dead honest with you. He seems like 415 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: the kind of guy like Boss Baby. Ever watched that 416 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: show Boss Baby Like he was born in a suit 417 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: and tidesman and executive his entire life, he said, gray 418 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: hair since he was eleven years old and he's just 419 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: been running ship like that's that's how he comes off 420 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: to me. Um and his Twitter was really interesting to 421 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: me because there was a bunch of people who I 422 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: joined up with around the same time and joined Twitter, 423 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: and then there were there were a few different types 424 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: of tweeters. In the very beginning, there was the I'm 425 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: on this for three days because it's interesting and never 426 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: tweeted again. There was those people. There was the I'm 427 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,479 Speaker 1: here for sports and I'm only gonna talk about sports 428 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: and that's what we're doing. There were trolls from the 429 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: get go. There were trolls, uh, and then there were 430 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: um people who were there to start to build their brand. 431 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: And the other one UM, which I never really followed 432 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: a lot of these people because I didn't see a 433 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: lot of use for it. Was there were the people 434 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: who came on as sort of like entrepreneurs, and they 435 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: used social media in such a way that they tweeted 436 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: out like one or two things a day. It was 437 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: almost always a news link to one of the major 438 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: stories of the day with just the headline, like they 439 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: didn't really ever add any flavor or anything themselves or 440 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: any personality. And some of the people I know. I 441 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: got a friend who's a CEO of a company down 442 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: in Arizona, UM who he had signed actually up for 443 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: a service which tweeted for him twice a day with 444 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: two of the most talked about tech stories of the day. 445 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: So you would just see his name on your timeline 446 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: twice a day, but he actually never logged onto Twitter 447 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: got an engagement. And that's what George Kleef cots Twitter 448 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: for for I'm talking years, I'm talking two thousand nine 449 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: all the way through right now. Most of his tweets 450 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: were just that, like, here's the top tech story of 451 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: the day, and every once in a great while a 452 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: little bit of commentary of like I read this, it 453 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: was interesting. But maybe once every five or six days, 454 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: he would fire off a tweet and it was usually 455 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: like I'm traveling and this is where I'm at, oh 456 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,959 Speaker 1: or or University of Virginia basketball would be playing, and 457 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,479 Speaker 1: he'd be like Grace and Allen's a bitch. Duke sucks 458 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: Virginia text the worst college on the planet. And it's like, 459 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: oh my god, this dude the sports fan like this guy, 460 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: and you really got that feeling of like, oh, this 461 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: he he went to University of Virginia, He's invested in 462 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: his alma mater, and this dude hates Virginia Tech. Like 463 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: I got that a lot from his Twitter. Um also 464 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: that he was a big NBA fan and that he 465 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: would tweet about pop culture stuff every once in a while. 466 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: But for the most part, George for a guy who's 467 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: been on Twitter for twelve thirteen years, and you know, 468 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: if he tweeted some dumb ship, I would find it. Yes, 469 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: I found maybe I found maybe three tweets. I don't 470 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: know if you want me to tell you what they are. 471 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: I found maybe three tweets in his history that are 472 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: like I want you to tell us, is this Well, 473 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: it's already out there, so then and you already know 474 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: people are already doing the the the digging, so so 475 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: you might as well go ahead and absolutely wild decision 476 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: by the Pack twelve to not have him scrub his 477 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: Twitter though, like for the fact that this dude is 478 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: as vanilla as he is, completely wild of the Pack 479 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: twelve to not have this guy protect his account or 480 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: delete his tweets. What do we have? Okay, I'm gonna 481 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: I'll give you the tweets. There's probably two or three 482 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: of them, and I actually did a top ten list 483 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: of my favorite old tweets of his on my Twitter 484 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: and I'll run you I'll run you through those in 485 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: a second because I don't want to get your reaction 486 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: to them. But um questionable tweet number one basically said, 487 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: the Second Amendment was ratified in it's time to revisit 488 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: old rules. That doesn't sound that crazy to possibly get 489 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: rid of or amend the Second Amendment. You don't think 490 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: that would upset people in today's climate, of course, that 491 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: would upset upset people. I don't think that that's worth deleting. Okay, dude, 492 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: I don't even know if this second one, if I 493 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: should say it out loud, hold on, I'm gonna Oh 494 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: my god, I'm dead serious, George super the first one 495 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: was a non issue issue. It's like, okay, you think 496 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: you would think it's a non issue, but you're open 497 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: to discuss anything. You would be fine if it had said, 498 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: like we need to double the second Amendment, if it 499 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: was just had come out of nowhere. But all right, 500 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna text you this second one while we're talking, 501 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: just to see because you you know, me as as 502 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: out there as I am, I still um, I still 503 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: want to make sure that that I'm not okay here 504 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: here we go texting it now, and you have to 505 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: think about this tweet in the context of everything that 506 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: I've told you about what I found out about his Twitter. 507 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: Oh god, oh god. They should have made him delete 508 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: that Twitter. But I'm not mad at it. Like he's 509 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: a sports droll. Would you would you have tweeted something 510 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: like that if it included somebody from University of Washington? 511 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: All right, I I what's the date on this tweet? 512 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: What's the date on this tweet that I sent you? Okay, 513 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: I okay, I have to be be honest and well, 514 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: first thing, it doesn't have the date on it. It's okay, 515 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: let me find the date. Let me find it because 516 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: hopefully he's deleted it by now. So here's the here. 517 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: Here's the thing is I have retweeted at some point 518 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: in time, probably that a that meme or somebody in 519 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: a shirt that says Ted Bundy was a husky. Okay, 520 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: he was also a ute. He he also went to 521 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: University of View, multiple Pactal schools could have been your school. Okay, 522 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: So I found I found the date on this tweet. 523 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: I found the date um November five, two nine. This 524 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: is why it's that is in the wild wild wild 525 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: West days and and and and here's the truth is 526 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: when I have when I went to go get a 527 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: when I first started working at FS one, and also 528 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: when uh my, my wife was doing a show on 529 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: Fox called home Free a few years ago, they literally 530 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: went through every single former tweet and was like, these 531 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: are a couple of questionable for her or for me, 532 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: even like yo, what okay, these are a couple of questionable. 533 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: You want to delete this before the show starts, blah 534 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: blah blah or not or anything like that. So those 535 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: are kinds of things that had that they normally do. 536 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: I don't understand why the pack twelve did not do 537 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: this because that tweet. I'm not saying that tweet. I'm 538 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: not saying it. I'm not going to I don't here. 539 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: I gave the date though, if somebody wants to find it, 540 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: they can find it. But like it's an objectionable tweet. 541 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: It's just it's just in poor taste of a sports 542 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: fan in relation to a tragic event. For sure, not 543 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: and it's not in in the era that we're in 544 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: right now. It's not racism, So no, it's just it's 545 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: just I just wish it sucks because there's a lot 546 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: of like young younger people on Twitter right now who 547 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: would have been like eleven, twelve years old in two 548 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: thousand nine, um, and a lot of people actually in 549 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 1: their twenties have have been beat up for the stuff 550 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: that they tweeted when they were like fourteen, fifteen years old. 551 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: That's a different story. I'm telling you. If your grandmother, 552 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: if your grandmother was on Twitter in two thousand nine, 553 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: she was tweeting freaky ship, like two nine, I don't 554 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: know what it was like. I went back and when 555 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: you and I were talking the other day about our 556 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 1: first tweets, because I went and searched your first tweets 557 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: in my first tweets, I went through because two thousand 558 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: nine was when I jumped on. I went through and 559 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: I was like, who is this like reading my own tweets, 560 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: Like I don't know who this man is? Yeah, well 561 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: I have no And then none of them and none 562 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,919 Speaker 1: of them were even like objectionable. It was just like 563 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: I think I hate this person, whoever this was, and stupid. 564 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: That's why Mark Cuban suggests that everybody should delete their 565 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: tweets every three months, that you you should have, they 566 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: should be that they should detonate that. Yes, people can 567 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: screenshot them, but they need to detonate after every three 568 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: three six months. Alright, So here's the third here's the 569 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: third tweet. And it's not actually one tweet, it's several 570 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: and it's actually before fifteen, which makes it even more interesting. 571 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,240 Speaker 1: Every once in a while, this dude, George Cleavkoff would 572 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: just take a dump on Donald Trump, like he just 573 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: would he he would just make fun of him. But 574 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people because. But he if 575 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: you don't remember Donald Trump before he ran for president, 576 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: but doesn't that make him fit in the PAC twelve though? 577 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: I think it definitely makes him fit in the pack 578 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: twalve and even during Trump's presidency, you can see that 579 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of tweets no favorites. Which is the 580 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: wildest thing about George Cleavkov's Twitter account is he's never 581 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: liked a single tweet ever gotten rid of the favorite 582 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: They might have actually done the favor but why would 583 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: they get rid of the favorites? And so I don't 584 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: know that one was wild, But then why why leave 585 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: the old tweets? But he did. He did kind of 586 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: um he would. He would retweet stuff that mostly was 587 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: like John Stewart or John Oliver or comedians making jokes 588 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 1: about about Donald Trump, pretty pretty common stuff. But he 589 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: he did. He did take a few shots at Donald Trump, 590 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: which I feel like also all of Twitter was doing before, 591 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: like Donald Trump was one of Twitter's biggest m This 592 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: is gonna sound weird because there's people who listen to 593 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: this podcast that are conservative. There's people who listen to 594 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: this podcasts that are MAGA supporters. You have to understand 595 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump before he ever ran for president was his 596 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: entire goal was to keep your name on his mind, 597 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: which a lot of people have copied that sort of 598 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: way that he branded himself, um, to just stay in 599 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: the news cycle. He would comment on every pop culture issue, 600 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: and a lot of his comments on pop culture issues 601 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: were really similar to the thing he did the other 602 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 1: day when he called the Kentucky Derby horse that won 603 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 1: Mdina spirit when he called it a junkie. So like 604 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: calling a horse to junkie was very Donald Trump on 605 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: Twitter like that was just super common, And so a 606 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: lot of George Clafcov's tweets, and I'm sure if you 607 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,479 Speaker 1: look up my tweets from two thousand twelve, they would 608 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: also be making fun of some of the stuff that 609 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: Donald Trump was saying back then. Um, but I mean, 610 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: he's definitely definitely on the left side politically, but it 611 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: wasn't like extreme, like super activist liberalism that was coming 612 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: out of out of his Twitter. It was all pretty vanilla. 613 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: But those are things that stood out. But I did 614 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: make a top ten list. I'm gonna run you through 615 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: from George. I want I want to see what you think. Okay, 616 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,240 Speaker 1: So here's the thread. Larry Scott didn't have a Twitter, 617 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: so it's kind of fun. The Pack twelve hired someone 618 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: who's been on here from the beginning, a threat of 619 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: my top ten favorite old tweets of New Pack twelve 620 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: Commissioner George Kleavkov Number ten, Lebron greater than Jordan's and 621 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: this tweet says he was tweeting a video from Bill Lambier, 622 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: who is the head coach of the Las Vegas Aces, 623 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: who George managed or was president whatever his association with 624 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: the Aces is. I need to look further into but 625 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: he said Coach Lambier the Aces, dropping some knowledge. Bill Lambier. 626 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: Lebron is the goat over MJ and is better at 627 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: involving his he mats to win. What do you think 628 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: of that, George, don't don't hate it, would enjoy the conversation, 629 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: all right. Number nine the commission likes mc lemore. This 630 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: is a tweet from two thousand thirteen. He said, listen 631 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 1: to thrift Shot by McLemore at l a X great 632 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: way to wake up. Quote I wear your granddad's clothes. 633 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 1: I look incredible unquote yo, thrift Thrift Shot was a 634 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: hell of a record, dude, I'm gonna I'm gonna pop 635 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: some tags. McLemore was the victim. McLemore was the victim 636 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 1: of people who didn't listen to wrap liking his stuff 637 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,240 Speaker 1: more than some of the greatest albums of all time 638 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: that came out that year. Correct Other than that, and 639 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,720 Speaker 1: and and that was the thing that actually hurt him 640 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 1: more than anything, is that people It was almost like 641 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 1: the Iggy Azaleo effect that for sure, that they were 642 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: so hot soul soul at first, and then people were like, 643 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: hold on your your this in the good stuff. And 644 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: then that made people turn on them like they were 645 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 1: the people who did it. Some of the albums that 646 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: came out that year reminded me very much of Christian 647 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: McCaffrey not winning the Heisman. It's just like, how could 648 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 1: you not? Um okay? Number eight uh George cleaf Coov 649 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: February fourteen, Valentine's Day, dancing in the v I P 650 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 1: at Lebron and Jay Z's NBA two King's Party. This 651 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: is becoming an annual affair, Yo yo with the ship's man. 652 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: He's a sports fan, dude, I love it. I'm all. 653 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: That's number one so far to me, alright. Number seven 654 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: randomly invited to celebrate Jackie chan sixtieth birthday with him 655 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: at our hotel in Beijing. And it's a picture of 656 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: him and Jackie can Chan with a Rachel Mattow haircut. Okay, dude, 657 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: he's he's he's name dropping too much now, Okay, go 658 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: on all right. Number six, um May second, two thousand eleven. Uh, 659 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 1: And I said that the Commission is telling uh leno 660 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,760 Speaker 1: monologue jokes again this is two thousand eleven. Is Donald 661 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 1: Trump going to demand Osama bin Laden's long form death certificate? 662 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: The new that's the new commissioner of the back twelve 663 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: on the Twitter, this is a good one. This is 664 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: a good one. Um uh June twelve two. Watching old 665 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: people dance reminds me that young people don't know how 666 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: to dance. I think I considered that like an anti 667 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,839 Speaker 1: twerking tweet yes, yes for sure or like or like 668 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: not not understanding the the uh any of the new 669 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: TikTok dance crazy is even though that was way before 670 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 1: TikTok It. Also, I was like, wait, was George Kleevkov 671 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: doing the waltz at jay Z's Two Kings party? Right? 672 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: What is he talking about? Oh my god? Alright? Number four, 673 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: the Commission is pro rivalry and hates the Hokies. And 674 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: this is just like a series of tweets minus one 675 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 1: very bad one that I left out. Beating Virginia Tech 676 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: is James Madison's best work since the Federalist Papers. The 677 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: only thing better than Virginia Tech losing is when they 678 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: lose painfully, like being beat by Boise State in the 679 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,399 Speaker 1: last minute. Twenty the nineteen varsity teams at Virginia Tech 680 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: and he tagged them still have won a total of 681 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 1: zero and C Double A Championships. That was Virginia Tech 682 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: loses to u n C and the Yankees win a 683 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: perfect sports night. The Yankees win uv A one, Virginia 684 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 1: Tech lost, all around a great day. Do you think 685 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: he likes Oh, that means he's a fan of your boy, 686 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: Bryce Perkins. Yeah, former back twelve quarterback Bryce Perkins's probably, 687 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 1: And he's probably not a fan of former University of 688 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: Arizona quarterback Connor Brewer. Yep, for him doing nothing at 689 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 1: University of Virginia. He's probably a big fan. He will. 690 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:26,280 Speaker 1: He was probably a big fan of Brexton Burmeister, though, George, 691 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: literally anybody compared to you is a big fan of 692 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: Brexton Burmeister. You hate that kid. I don't hate him. 693 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 1: He's just a bad quarterback. Okay, moving on number three, 694 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 1: the Commission hates your pets. Um, which is really interesting 695 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 1: because if you look at his most recent tweet, it's 696 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: like a video of him with two of his dogs. Um. 697 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 1: But he tweeted this, Oh gosh, how long ago? This? This 698 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 1: This has got two thousand eleven tweets, so maybe he's 699 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: he's grown. Can someone please build an Instagram plug in 700 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,240 Speaker 1: that removes pictures of kittens and pups from my feed? 701 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: I'd happily invest. Dude, I'm I'm I'm not a cat guy, dude, 702 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: not a cat guy at all. I'm not a cat guy. 703 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 1: But kittens aren't cats, just like puppies aren't. As kittens 704 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 1: and puppies make the day better, just pictures of them everywhere? 705 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: No kittens, No, absolutely not. You really think a kitten 706 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:29,280 Speaker 1: and a cat or the same thing. Yes, it's it 707 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: does a kitten grow to be a cat, but it's 708 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: then what you're then if you say it's grows to 709 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: be a cat, then it's not a cat. It's a cat. 710 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: It's a tiny cat. It's a baby cat. It's a 711 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: baby cat. Bro, it's a baby like people, very much 712 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: a bad another bad take, dude, This isn't a bad take. 713 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 1: I don't like human beings very I love them. I 714 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: love them, I have compassion for them. I don't like 715 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 1: them all that much. I don't mind keeping to myself, 716 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: but I love every baby in the entire world. Are 717 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: you gonna tell me a baby and the guy who 718 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,840 Speaker 1: owned my house before me, who left it in shambles 719 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,880 Speaker 1: are the same thing? They're not kittens and cats. That 720 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 1: will save that for a take for Twitter. Kittens and 721 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 1: cats are not the same. Okay, Number two, I wrote, 722 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,320 Speaker 1: there's a really good chance the Commission knows this conference 723 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 1: was run very poorly, and I included two tweets in this. 724 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: One is a picture of a truck that had driven 725 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,320 Speaker 1: into an overhead pass and was stuck under it. UM 726 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: and on the side of the truck that had been 727 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: wrecked into the overhead pass, it says, on the road 728 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: to success, there are no shortcuts. And he captioned it 729 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 1: and said this says it all, which I think is 730 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,799 Speaker 1: important for UH for what he's about to embark on 731 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: with the pack twelve UM. And then the second tweet 732 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: that I attached to a aprileven. Both traditional and inherently 733 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:03,320 Speaker 1: disruptive businesses involved identifying and either exploiting or fixing inefficiencies. 734 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: I love that tweet. That tweet makes me happy. That 735 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: makes me very happy. And then the number one greatest 736 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: old tweet of New Pact Commissioner George class one not 737 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:23,359 Speaker 1: number one. That was awesome. Okay, well this is the 738 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,319 Speaker 1: best old tweet I've ever seen. The streak stands at one, 739 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,879 Speaker 1: and Grayson Allen is the most unsportsman like cry baby 740 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,680 Speaker 1: choker in Duke history. I love it. I love it, 741 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: and I agree with it. I stand by the commissioner. 742 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: I stand by the commissioner every Can you imagine can 743 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,960 Speaker 1: you imagine like Larry Scott like getting on Twitter for 744 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 1: the first time out of nowhere in in like in 745 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,080 Speaker 1: like spring seen and he was like, hey, I just 746 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: want everyone to know Grace and Allen's a bit. I 747 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: can't imagine it, and just knowing that, like this is 748 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: not going to change. This man hates Grace and Allen 749 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,799 Speaker 1: and he's the commissioner of the Fact twelve and he's 750 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,319 Speaker 1: not gonna not hate Grace and Allen like that. You 751 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 1: don't just stop hating your least favorite player ever. Yeah, 752 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: do you think if George, do you think if I 753 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,440 Speaker 1: got a job at the New York Times as like 754 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 1: the editor in chief tomorrow that if somebody asked me 755 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 1: about Karl Malone inside, I wouldn't be like, oh, you 756 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,840 Speaker 1: are on perm all right. So there there's Karl Malone, 757 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 1: and there is oh my gosh, there there there's something 758 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 1: else that you hate too. I can't remember what what 759 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 1: it is it is, Oh my gosh, it was just 760 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,400 Speaker 1: something that just came up. Oh well, for not certainly 761 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 1: not kittens, like you know, catnapples. Pine apples are the 762 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,399 Speaker 1: worst thing of all time. I would I would take 763 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: Karl Malone as a roommate over eating one pineapple. Wow. Wow, 764 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 1: I stop stop um. Okay. So here are some quotes 765 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 1: from the new commissioner in his press conference. So, in 766 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,400 Speaker 1: response to a question about women's basketball. Cle Kliukov said, 767 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: we know where our bread is buttered. We're focused on 768 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 1: the revenue sports and winning in football and men's basketball. 769 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 1: Is that a good reply? Yes? Um, people are sensitive. 770 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,759 Speaker 1: And if you chop that quote up to just its 771 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,360 Speaker 1: own thing, without any context, I could see how somebody 772 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: would be like, we matter too, because because a lot 773 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,200 Speaker 1: of the smaller sports, non revenue generatings, for it's in 774 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:05,400 Speaker 1: women's sports in general feel neglected often, especially if you 775 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,239 Speaker 1: see what just happened with the golf championship. Oh my gosh. Yes, 776 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,919 Speaker 1: and we'll get into that next week. And I guess 777 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,600 Speaker 1: kudos to Barstool for stepping in. But but okay, so 778 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 1: you already have a bunch of them that feel like 779 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: they're behind, even though in the pact. Well, I don't 780 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,279 Speaker 1: necessarily think that that's the case. If if if Larry 781 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,920 Speaker 1: Scott did anything, it would make the little sports feel 782 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:30,600 Speaker 1: like they mattered, right, Um, yeah, And there's nothing wrong 783 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 1: with making them feel like they matter. But you have 784 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: to nurture the like the like you you you must 785 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,479 Speaker 1: nurture your most important thing because it actually it would 786 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,200 Speaker 1: be like if it were the last tree on earth, right, 787 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 1: and but you're worried about planting flowers instead of nurturing 788 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,759 Speaker 1: the tree, so then everybody can breathe, like the the 789 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,480 Speaker 1: carbon dioxide, oxygen, all this up that goes to the 790 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: tree out of the tree is more important than the 791 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,280 Speaker 1: flowers and will actually keep the flowers and the people 792 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: running around alive. One million percent, I agree with you. 793 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 1: It does create a very odd question for me, and 794 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it out there. I'm read as much 795 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,319 Speaker 1: as I can, and I've watched as much as I 796 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:26,160 Speaker 1: can on this, But is there any chance that Larry 797 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 1: Scott's um propensity to put some of these lesser known 798 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,959 Speaker 1: sports out front and give them attention in the way 799 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: that he did foiled the long standing fraud that was 800 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,399 Speaker 1: going on or or do you think that just would 801 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 1: have blown up in everybody's face anyway? I don't to 802 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,600 Speaker 1: me so Under Larry Scott's tenure, a lot of these 803 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 1: smaller sports like rowing, tennis, and and and others, like 804 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:02,760 Speaker 1: they were involved in the fraud from like yeah, the 805 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 1: varsity Blues thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just makes me 806 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 1: wonder if if the PAC twelve smaller sports had stayed 807 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,160 Speaker 1: under the radar, if there would have been less of 808 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,439 Speaker 1: an opportunity to find out about the white scale front. 809 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 1: Even though I know that the fraud actually stand nationwide 810 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 1: and and and involved and stuff like that, but that 811 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,560 Speaker 1: that you just you you talking about it just brought 812 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,279 Speaker 1: it up in my head for a second. I was like, 813 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,239 Speaker 1: wait a minute, did Larry Scott being good at one 814 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,560 Speaker 1: aspect of his job actually cause a greater embarrassment for 815 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,880 Speaker 1: the conference? Oh? No, was he really stepping on that 816 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:41,560 Speaker 1: many wrecks right right, that would be incredible. Um, here's 817 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,279 Speaker 1: another quote. When asked about the Pac twelve weakness as 818 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,840 Speaker 1: a conference, which is a legitimate question. So actually the 819 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:53,160 Speaker 1: PAC twelve people actually ask good questions, he responded, if 820 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,560 Speaker 1: we're being honest, it's the number of years since the 821 00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: Pac twelve has won a football or men's basketball championship, 822 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,400 Speaker 1: and the answer to that would be seventeen and twenty 823 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:09,279 Speaker 1: four years. I I loved his honesty there. I absolutely 824 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:14,759 Speaker 1: loved it because that's the anti Larry Scottish answer he 825 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,880 Speaker 1: would have said. If you had asked Larry Scott that 826 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,680 Speaker 1: same question, he'd be like, weakness. We've we've won more 827 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:26,000 Speaker 1: championships in this conference than any other conference, and the 828 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,640 Speaker 1: women's softball just one at U c l A and 829 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: Stanford just one. In women's basketball, the cap we are 830 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,719 Speaker 1: still working and aiming to get football better. But the 831 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,480 Speaker 1: but the but the conference. There is no weakness here 832 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,680 Speaker 1: right right now. We're we're continuing to work on some 833 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 1: areas that were not quite as strong at though. He 834 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 1: strikes me very much as somebody who would not have 835 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,680 Speaker 1: come out and said that it's better to appear in 836 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,759 Speaker 1: a bowl game than win it, which is something that 837 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,040 Speaker 1: Larry Scott implied in front of all of the media, 838 00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,560 Speaker 1: which is very bizarre. He strikes as some who would 839 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,120 Speaker 1: not pass the buck on the question that I asked 840 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,879 Speaker 1: him in at the last UM Pack twelve media day 841 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,160 Speaker 1: at Hollywood and Highland, which is, Hey, most of the 842 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,640 Speaker 1: states in which you have colleges have legalized marijuana. Is 843 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,640 Speaker 1: it possible that the n C double a's overall penalty 844 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,840 Speaker 1: for for dealing with some of these things doesn't actually 845 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,640 Speaker 1: apply to this conference? And do you need to do 846 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:30,160 Speaker 1: something to step in and UM and make sure that 847 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,680 Speaker 1: you actually reflect the values of the states that you 848 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,400 Speaker 1: have schools in. And his answer to that question was, 849 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 1: we like how diverse our conferences? UM Like, he strikes 850 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,920 Speaker 1: me as somebody who would not just give that bullshit answer. 851 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,440 Speaker 1: Let's do a control then when we're at Pack twelve 852 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:54,200 Speaker 1: media day. Uh, let's make sure he asked that same question. 853 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it will certainly make sense. Yeah, that he 854 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,759 Speaker 1: gets asked that same exact question. I love it. UM 855 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:10,880 Speaker 1: another quote about the TV contracts for the final negotiations, 856 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,200 Speaker 1: I will be involved and Okay, before I finished reading it, 857 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,040 Speaker 1: there's one word that that that scares me in this 858 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,080 Speaker 1: sentence scares every PACTOL fan. You already know what I'm 859 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:26,399 Speaker 1: gonna saying. Huh, it's the it's the only C word 860 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,480 Speaker 1: that's worse than the actual C word. See you next 861 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:34,640 Speaker 1: student day um for the final negotiations. I will be involved. 862 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:39,680 Speaker 1: But I think it's smart to hire a consultant. I 863 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:46,880 Speaker 1: was like, that's like buzzword to me. Like he didn't 864 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,560 Speaker 1: say consultant. Did he know that's PTSD. That's PTSD Because 865 00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,720 Speaker 1: when Larry Scott said consultant, he meant Vinny from Queens 866 00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,200 Speaker 1: who he owed money too. He didn't mean like, he 867 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:04,160 Speaker 1: didn't mean expert, which is what consultant means. Like, consultants 868 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,319 Speaker 1: are a really good thing. They it's not just an expenditure. 869 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,719 Speaker 1: They save you money. They save you money. Like so 870 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,240 Speaker 1: I'm right now my wife wants to demo the entire 871 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,360 Speaker 1: kitchen of the home that we bought, and we can't 872 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,719 Speaker 1: because everything else has fallen apart. So we're trying to 873 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,360 Speaker 1: catch up those things. But like, but I was thinking, 874 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,879 Speaker 1: and it was it was I felt like I grew 875 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,200 Speaker 1: up a little bit thinking about this, and it was 876 00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,919 Speaker 1: like some of this we can do on our own, 877 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,880 Speaker 1: and I can hire somebody to remodel our whole kitchen, 878 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,879 Speaker 1: or I can hire somebody to do the stuff that 879 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,000 Speaker 1: we definitely can't do. But I'm sure that there's somebody 880 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,040 Speaker 1: out there who would take five or six hours out 881 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,919 Speaker 1: of their day for a discounted rate, that is an 882 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,080 Speaker 1: expert in home repair and home renovation and and and 883 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,960 Speaker 1: kitchen design, who would consult And if they were able 884 00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,080 Speaker 1: to consult with me for a few hours about the 885 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,120 Speaker 1: things that I could do on my own, and I 886 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,879 Speaker 1: paid them for their time, then on the back end, 887 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,760 Speaker 1: I might save seven to ten thousand dollars even though 888 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:12,480 Speaker 1: the consultation was an expenditure. That's how consulting work is 889 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,200 Speaker 1: supposed to work. And I know we have listeners who 890 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,480 Speaker 1: are consultants that could have explained that in a much 891 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,880 Speaker 1: better way than I could. But most people in their 892 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,759 Speaker 1: day to day lives don't deal with consultants. They genuinely 893 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:29,359 Speaker 1: feel like it is a chronyistic way to make up 894 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,680 Speaker 1: for your own deficiencies as a leader, because their experience 895 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,560 Speaker 1: of consultants is the movie Elf, when James Kahn asks 896 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,640 Speaker 1: his writers what they should do to come up with 897 00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,600 Speaker 1: a new children's book, and their solution is what George 898 00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:50,640 Speaker 1: bring it, bring in more hi le sch we bring 899 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,400 Speaker 1: in vile spinch Like that's what most people. That's what 900 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,960 Speaker 1: most people look at and they see it's like, oh, 901 00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,839 Speaker 1: like it's just a measure of inefficiency. But no, if 902 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,080 Speaker 1: you're smart and you bring it a consultant to show 903 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,600 Speaker 1: you how you can save or make money, then it's 904 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,840 Speaker 1: a it's a benefit. The problem was John Wilner and 905 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,440 Speaker 1: John Kanzano kept like tying all of these guys getting 906 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,800 Speaker 1: consultant fees from the PAC twelve to like old school 907 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,320 Speaker 1: lunch photos from Larry Scott's elementary school days. Like it 908 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,960 Speaker 1: just was super super chronyistic and it ruined a lot 909 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,480 Speaker 1: of people's faith in the system. I'm not as alarmed 910 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,520 Speaker 1: by that statement as most people. I think, No, no, 911 00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,760 Speaker 1: I I I had. But it is the PTSD though, 912 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:42,960 Speaker 1: like of talpitations. Yeah. Um. So here is another thing that, 913 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:49,800 Speaker 1: according to Oregon President Michael Schiel, that the PAC twelve 914 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,320 Speaker 1: is not committed to keeping the headquarters in the Bay 915 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:57,080 Speaker 1: Area beyond the current lease and quote, we don't feel 916 00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:02,960 Speaker 1: strongly that it needs to be there. That's such a 917 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:08,600 Speaker 1: weird thing to say. That's such a weird thing to say. Like, George, 918 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:13,040 Speaker 1: if if your wife came home and you had set 919 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:18,280 Speaker 1: your workout clothes um on top of like the toilet 920 00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,560 Speaker 1: seat lid, and she told you, hey, can you throw 921 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:26,080 Speaker 1: those in the hamper? And you replied, I don't feel 922 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,840 Speaker 1: strongly that my clothes need to remain where they're at. 923 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,000 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, so you agreed that they should be 924 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,600 Speaker 1: thrown in the in the hamper? Right? That was that 925 00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:44,480 Speaker 1: was like an interesting way that Michael Jill was like, no, 926 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,920 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be there, but I'm going to give you 927 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,200 Speaker 1: an answer that just sounds so ridiculous that that it 928 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,240 Speaker 1: answers the question, but it's also so nebulous that you're 929 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,760 Speaker 1: gonna have to read it five times to wait, wait, 930 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,880 Speaker 1: hold up wait that was that a double negative or 931 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,600 Speaker 1: a single mag so so yeah, so I I think 932 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:11,040 Speaker 1: that that was funny because that was like corporate corporate 933 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,960 Speaker 1: speak for like funck, No, we don't think it should 934 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,439 Speaker 1: be there, that's stupid. He was like, we don't feel 935 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,320 Speaker 1: strongly that it needs to be there. Yes, that means 936 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,920 Speaker 1: that means that it's moving to Vegas, probably, right, And 937 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,120 Speaker 1: that was that was funny was when they hired somebody 938 00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:32,439 Speaker 1: from Vegas, the primary response was we're going to Vegas. Yes, 939 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:37,240 Speaker 1: people immediately would happened. Why why wouldn't you Your your 940 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:44,080 Speaker 1: conference championships are played in Vegas in football and in basketball, 941 00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:51,880 Speaker 1: so it makes sense, Like landish cheaper in Vegas. I 942 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,880 Speaker 1: mean it's literally probably the amount of space that they 943 00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,640 Speaker 1: can get is eight times probably whatever it would cost. 944 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,120 Speaker 1: And in Francisco, which probably the most expensive city in 945 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:08,400 Speaker 1: the country, it's it's a disaster, dude. It's a I 946 01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,200 Speaker 1: don't know if you've gotten to the quote yet about 947 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,200 Speaker 1: expanding the college footballed playoff, but that was that was 948 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:18,760 Speaker 1: jarring to hear out of the gate, don't you think No, 949 01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,160 Speaker 1: I didn't think it was jarring. I thought it was smart. 950 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,720 Speaker 1: Like so um total, let me, let let me find 951 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:32,240 Speaker 1: the quote. Um oh. He said that his personal success 952 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,360 Speaker 1: in this conference is tied to the to the success 953 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:42,360 Speaker 1: of the athletic directors and coaches. I like that, and 954 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,040 Speaker 1: um he said the struggling Pack twelve networks are quote 955 01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:50,280 Speaker 1: unquote part of the future of the conference's distribution strategy, 956 01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,400 Speaker 1: and he said we have to get the PAC twelve 957 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:59,800 Speaker 1: network distributed on every place on every platform that is 958 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:06,160 Speaker 1: numero Oh no, that means Hulu TV, YouTube TV, Direct TV, 959 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:12,440 Speaker 1: Roku TV, Apple TV, every TV that there is, the 960 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:16,000 Speaker 1: Pack twelve needs to be there. And what about it? 961 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,040 Speaker 1: Because I'm a I'm my mom went to University of Wyoming, 962 01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,919 Speaker 1: so I'm I've got some allegiance there at least while 963 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:28,080 Speaker 1: I still owe Arizona State University seventy dollars for a 964 01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,720 Speaker 1: literature degree. Um, but I definitely follow and root for 965 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,080 Speaker 1: University of Wyoming in all things. And a couple of 966 01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,440 Speaker 1: years back, they put their games on Facebook, and so 967 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,600 Speaker 1: did like University of Hawaiian a couple of other Mountain 968 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,600 Speaker 1: West schools like they streamed their games. Yep, would you 969 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:53,560 Speaker 1: be open to that? I think that there are other options, right, 970 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,920 Speaker 1: That's my that's myn league thing is that even if 971 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,560 Speaker 1: you started small, even if you said like, oh, we 972 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,440 Speaker 1: want you, we want you to be paying these cable 973 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,120 Speaker 1: companies and streaming providers. UM yeah, but you can get 974 01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,160 Speaker 1: revenue from from from Facebook, Like if you do a 975 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:17,080 Speaker 1: Facebook um, like, you can sell your commercials to the 976 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:21,640 Speaker 1: Facebook advertising. So that that's definitely an option for the 977 01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:25,600 Speaker 1: PAC twelve net networks I'm actually very interested to see 978 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:29,560 Speaker 1: how he's going to expand the access there. Um what 979 01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't find the college football playoff tweet again, but 980 01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:38,240 Speaker 1: where he just said, we're expanding now like we're we 981 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,640 Speaker 1: are absolutely from the gate advocating for the expansion of 982 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,280 Speaker 1: the college football playoffs and make sure like to make 983 01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:51,960 Speaker 1: sure all power conferences are included, as my assumption. Absolutely, Oh, 984 01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:57,440 Speaker 1: read read them the Canzano quote from earlier. Let's see 985 01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. When when when you 986 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,040 Speaker 1: were telling me what Kanzano said, and then what the 987 01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,200 Speaker 1: reply was to it? Oh, the the you you mean 988 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:12,800 Speaker 1: the Utah fan? Yes? Uh okay, hold on, that means 989 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:17,680 Speaker 1: that I okay. So Oregon president Michael schild told John 990 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,200 Speaker 1: Kanzano that when you're looking for someone like the commissioner, 991 01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,240 Speaker 1: it's about values. We all share the same values. We 992 01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,840 Speaker 1: care deeply about our students. We care about winning, but 993 01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:33,920 Speaker 1: we care about winning the right way. Um and um. 994 01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:40,280 Speaker 1: A Utah fan quote tweeted the quote that Kansanno Knzanno 995 01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,240 Speaker 1: put out there from Michael Schill, and he said, I 996 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,120 Speaker 1: don't give a shit about winning the right way, and 997 01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:50,280 Speaker 1: I hope this guy doesn't either I care about when 998 01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,320 Speaker 1: it when it winning the right way. It it just 999 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,800 Speaker 1: it's context, right, Like I don't want a Houston Astros scandal, 1000 01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:03,200 Speaker 1: do you know? Like I I don't want I don't 1001 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:07,520 Speaker 1: want anything to do with uh with anything like that. 1002 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:13,880 Speaker 1: But I certainly like it having somebody who would like 1003 01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,720 Speaker 1: have to pretend to be upset that Oregon got into 1004 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:24,400 Speaker 1: the College Football Playoff via selection committee over a team that, 1005 01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:30,800 Speaker 1: like of the general population, believed should actually be ranked higher. 1006 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:32,720 Speaker 1: Kind of like back when you were playing and you 1007 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,680 Speaker 1: thought you should be playing in the National Championship and 1008 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,400 Speaker 1: so did most people, but it didn't work out that 1009 01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,720 Speaker 1: way according to the BCS. Like, I think the overarching 1010 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,400 Speaker 1: thing is you don't want a commissioner who would come 1011 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,760 Speaker 1: out and be like, we understand people's frustration. You want 1012 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,080 Speaker 1: a commissioner would come out and be like too bad, 1013 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:56,320 Speaker 1: yes exactly exactly, like um, yes, sorry, absolutely not, this 1014 01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,720 Speaker 1: is not gonna work. And and and he doesn't strike 1015 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,600 Speaker 1: me a is a guy that would just take any 1016 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,640 Speaker 1: old thing, you know what I mean that if it's 1017 01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:10,880 Speaker 1: not going to right the right way for the conference, 1018 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,880 Speaker 1: that he's just gonna be like okay, yeah, yeah, it's fine, No, biggie, 1019 01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,280 Speaker 1: Can I ask you if you're worried about his record 1020 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,880 Speaker 1: of job hopping, because if he was a coach, if 1021 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,800 Speaker 1: he was a coach, that's a thing we would be 1022 01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,040 Speaker 1: talking about. Right. Yeah, well see see two and a 1023 01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,200 Speaker 1: half years at the VR Company, two and a half 1024 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,400 Speaker 1: years at MGM. One of the years the MGM couldn't 1025 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:39,400 Speaker 1: even operate. There are there are I was reading a 1026 01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,600 Speaker 1: business book from a successful guy and he was talking 1027 01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,000 Speaker 1: about that there are two different types of c CEOs, right, 1028 01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:52,160 Speaker 1: occasionally these these over overlap. They talked about there are 1029 01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:56,520 Speaker 1: wartime CEOs and they are a peacetime CEOs. He may 1030 01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:01,480 Speaker 1: be a wartime CEO, you know, a guy who comes in, 1031 01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,600 Speaker 1: he fixes problems, and then he may not stay for 1032 01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,600 Speaker 1: you know, past his one term. Like he may want 1033 01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:13,880 Speaker 1: to be somewhere else. But then truly he's a sports fan, right, 1034 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:20,000 Speaker 1: so doesn't he like he wants to be involved in sports? Like, yeah, 1035 01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:28,560 Speaker 1: he had opportunities to in and um at at the MGM, 1036 01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:33,640 Speaker 1: But now imagine him getting an opportunity to you know, 1037 01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:38,600 Speaker 1: be literally involved hands on and building something great in sports. 1038 01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,440 Speaker 1: I think that that and then also along with the 1039 01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:50,440 Speaker 1: paycheck too is probably pretty appetizing, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, 1040 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,680 Speaker 1: I mean so one of the things in searching for 1041 01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,600 Speaker 1: his name in the in mentions of his name in 1042 01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,680 Speaker 1: the year before all this happened, that he was named 1043 01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,880 Speaker 1: uh there. There was a lot of stuff that when 1044 01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:08,040 Speaker 1: he was named um mgm uh CEO that people came 1045 01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,280 Speaker 1: out of the woodwork and said like, oh, I used 1046 01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:11,920 Speaker 1: to work with this guy at such and such. He's 1047 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,280 Speaker 1: great it and and it's that sort of like random 1048 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,000 Speaker 1: votes of confidence on the Internet directed at nobody in 1049 01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:22,880 Speaker 1: particular that I find to be encouraging. He doesn't strike 1050 01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,200 Speaker 1: me as a guy who would schedule a conference call 1051 01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,000 Speaker 1: that everyone thinks is going to have to do with 1052 01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,480 Speaker 1: the idea that they struck a deal direct TV to 1053 01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,480 Speaker 1: announce that he got a contract extension. No, no, I 1054 01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,160 Speaker 1: don't think he would call the press conference for that 1055 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,480 Speaker 1: at all. He would want to drop that into like 1056 01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:44,200 Speaker 1: you know, hey, guys, we gave everybody bonuses. F y, 1057 01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,440 Speaker 1: I'll be here a couple more years. Yeah. He strikes 1058 01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,520 Speaker 1: me as the type of guy who would call a 1059 01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,320 Speaker 1: all hands on deck conference call with the entire pack 1060 01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:59,040 Speaker 1: twelve just to tell them that the Yankees one on 1061 01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:05,520 Speaker 1: the same day that Virginia the Tech lost. Yes, exactly, exactly. Well, um, 1062 01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,920 Speaker 1: you guys, this has been the emergency episode of the 1063 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:14,200 Speaker 1: Pack twelve Apostles. George Killikoff is the new commissioner. The 1064 01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,519 Speaker 1: Wicked Witch is gone. I don't want to wish dead 1065 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:21,439 Speaker 1: on Larry Larry Scott, but his tenure is dead. And 1066 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:27,280 Speaker 1: hopefully this is the new beginnings of you know, something great, 1067 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,120 Speaker 1: we can we can have hope. This is like the 1068 01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:35,360 Speaker 1: NFL draft for the conference. So I'm excited and I'm 1069 01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:39,559 Speaker 1: you know, I'm rare, rare to go. Ralph, Yeah, let's 1070 01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,839 Speaker 1: do it. Uh we are we all collectively this day 1071 01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:48,400 Speaker 1: hate Grays and Allen? Alright, peace out, catch you guys. 1072 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:49,440 Speaker 1: Next episode