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Speaker 1: Hey Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life?

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Speaker 1: Just a touch to get you through?

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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,

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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.

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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after

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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full

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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig

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Speaker 1: into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to

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Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,

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Speaker 1: we talk about Reggie Watts and corrosive evil. Are the

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Speaker 1: real bad guys the dudes who are hiding in plain sight? Plus,

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Speaker 1: Reggie Watts had us talking about John Hughes, and now

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Speaker 1: we're talking about John Carpenter, and great music from horror movies,

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Speaker 1: as well as your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, and as always,

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for

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Speaker 1: the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know

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Speaker 1: that the best history is the history that gets buried.

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Speaker 1: Disgraceland is where I tell the stories you'll end up

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Speaker 1: telling to someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, as we get closer to Halloween week here,

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Speaker 1: Reggie Watts episode. And Reggie Watts is a particular type

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, we are back talking Reggie Watts this week.

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Speaker 1: Bye. Adam, thanks for the call, my man. Adam, do

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Speaker 1: Call back, Adam. Hope you're feeling better, my man. You know,

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Speaker 1: This one, let's check in with the 6-8 one. Hey, Jake, buddy.

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Speaker 3: Love what you do, man. Learned a whole bunch. Sleary

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Speaker 1: All right, 681, listen, man, ask and you shall receive.

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Speaker 1: There is an Allman Brothers episode. It's available for you

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. All right, let's check out this message

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Speaker 3: Hey, Jake.

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Speaker 2: My name is DL.

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Speaker 1: Just the two letters.

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Speaker 2: DL. I love the podcast. I found it my way

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Speaker 2: of my favorite murder. And I am like binging.

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Speaker 3: It nonstop ever since I found it. I just got through.

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Speaker 3: Just got through the big fucking Charles Manson saga.

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Speaker 2: That was awesome.

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Speaker 3: I noticed you haven't done Tiny Tim. You should do

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Speaker 2: Uh, he had a run-in with Charles Madsen.

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Speaker 3: Pretty sure he was mobbed up. And he basically died

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Speaker 1: Uh, in a very, very unusual way.

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Speaker 3: And, uh, yeah, he was a pedophile, and that's really unfortunate.

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Speaker 3: Um, and I would just be so fascinated to hear you, uh,

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Speaker 1: So... Podcast is awesome.

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Speaker 2: Life-changing.

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Speaker 1: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: Groundbreaking. God damn it. Stick it up my ass.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Oh my God, BL, my head's spinning. Tiny

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Speaker 1: How did I not know any of this? I don't

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Speaker 1: know any of this, BL. And I'm kind of, I

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Speaker 1: But now I'm like, fuck, man. Should have done Tiny Tim.

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Speaker 1: I'm putting Tiny Tim on the list. I think a

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Speaker 1: What's that all about? BL, appreciate you. 617-906-6638, voicemail and text.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate all you guys. This is why we do this.

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Speaker 1: You're turning me on to stuff here that I didn't

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Speaker 1: the rise and apparent fall of Jelly Roll? A lot

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Speaker 1: Is it Mr. Roll or Mr. Jelly Roll? I know

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Speaker 1: he's got some tattoos and I think he was in prison,

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Speaker 1: but I really don't know anything about it. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know, 412. I'll put them on the list. 214,

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Speaker 1: text in Jake. Here's a random selection of songs that

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Speaker 1: takes me back to God. Not a fan of Christian

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Speaker 1: power ballads. Neither am I.

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Speaker 3: 214.

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Speaker 1: 214 goes on to say, check out gospel blues where

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Speaker 1: the lyrics are scripture. This might be AI.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's a brilliant mashup of genres.

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Speaker 3: P.S.

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Speaker 1: There's a Led Zeppelin cover tucked in there for you

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Speaker 1: that you may not have heard. Rock and roll. From Sam. Sam,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you. I listen to gospel music. More specifically, gospel

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Speaker 1: bluegrass pretty much every Sunday morning. I try to anyways.

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Speaker 1: I love that stuff. Gets me in the right mode,

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Speaker 1: the right frame of mind for Sundays. 480 writes in, hey,

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Speaker 1: just listen to your queen episode. Given that you said

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Speaker 1: you have your jazz LP insert framed on your wall,

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Speaker 1: I had to share. And the 480 sends in a

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Speaker 1: photo of his or her, actually his, this is Johnny Zapp,

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Speaker 1: framed photo from the uh from the jazz album the

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Speaker 1: insert and uh looks an awful lot like mine i

449
00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:18,389
Speaker 1: gotta say black frame you get kind of a gold

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Speaker 1: insert there man i don't know what happened to mine

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Speaker 1: i gotta find it gotta find it pre-kids wall art

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Speaker 1: not sure it's appropriate anyways uh johnny's app goes on

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Speaker 1: to say blown away by the number of people that

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Speaker 1: do not know what this is uh come on people

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Speaker 1: johnny's app Johnny Zapp, appreciate you, man. Thanks for the photo.

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Speaker 1: Johnny Zapp's referencing the Queen episode. Guys, if you haven't

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Speaker 1: heard that, check that out.

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Speaker 3: 617-906-6638.

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Speaker 1: Voicemail and text. Get at me with whatever you want

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Speaker 1: to discuss. We'll be back right after this with your

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Speaker 1: emails and more Disgraceland. Oh man, quite the saga in

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Speaker 1: the studio today. Had this errant buzz going on. These gremlins,

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00:27:12,990 --> 00:27:17,070
Speaker 1: ghosts in the machine, couldn't figure it out. Wasted about

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Speaker 1: an hour dicking around with cables, texting with Matt, who's

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Speaker 1: had it up to here with this bullshit. And I

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Speaker 1: don't blame him. I have as well. Anyways, I think

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Speaker 1: we got it figured out. Who the fuck knows? Speaking

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Speaker 1: of gremlins, you ever see that Twilight Zone episode? William Shatner.

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Speaker 1: It's one of my faves. Check it out if you

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Speaker 1: haven't seen it. Disgracelandpod at gmail.com. You want to get

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Speaker 1: at me on the email machine. Fascinating, fascinating email here

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Speaker 1: from Joshua Blevins. Joshua writes in, Subject, AI music bot

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00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,780
Speaker 1: firm conspiracy. Saw this and I've seen many comments about

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Speaker 1: the conspiracy that the music industry has been doing the

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Speaker 1: same thing. Was wondering your thoughts on that. Joshua has

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Speaker 1: included a link to a United States Attorney's Office website

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Speaker 1: Southern District of New York, press release, headline, North Carolina

478
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Speaker 1: musician charged with music streaming fraud aided by artificial intelligence. Basically,

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00:28:15,780 --> 00:28:20,910
Speaker 1: the charge here is that musicians are using AI to

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Speaker 1: inflate their streams and thus their career. Joshua goes on

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Speaker 1: to say, also, I really got into an AI music

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Speaker 1: creation last year. It's come a long way. I hope

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Speaker 1: it never replaces actual musicians. I wanted to use Joshua's

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Speaker 1: email here. to tee up a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: conversation about artificial intelligence with you guys. Now, obviously, people

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Speaker 1: using AI to inflate, artists using AI to inflate their

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Speaker 1: music streams and use that for nefarious criminal purposes, fraud.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? We just did this little

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00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,690
Speaker 1: Quincy Jones episode on fraud was a big part of it. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: that's fucked up. AI is something that we're constantly talking

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Speaker 1: about around here because basically everybody's talking about it. And

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Speaker 1: In a lot of ways, AI drives me absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 1: I think that what they're selling us as far as

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Speaker 1: what AI can do for creatives is bullshit, coming and going.

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Speaker 1: What they promise it can do for us, what it

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Speaker 1: can create for us is bullshit. I don't think... It

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Speaker 1: can actually create anything that can supplant what humans can

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Speaker 1: create when it comes to art. Can it create efficiencies?

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Speaker 1: Of course. And I also don't buy into the doom

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Speaker 1: and gloom of it all either. That's a whole other conversation. However,

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Speaker 1: all of that said. everybody is going to be using this. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: everybody is going to be using this. And I don't

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Speaker 1: care what people's attitudes are about it right now when

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Speaker 1: it comes to art and creativity. Artists are going to

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Speaker 1: be using AI at scale. I can tell you from

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Speaker 1: conversations I'm having around different projects that are happening in Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: it's all going in this direction. Anybody who works in

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Speaker 1: Hollywood and is being honest with you, despite how the

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Speaker 1: streamers and the studios are, despite what they're putting out

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00:30:14,790 --> 00:30:16,870
Speaker 1: there as far as like, you know, we're trying to

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Speaker 1: protect artists, blah, blah, blah. They're all moving towards using

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Speaker 1: AI to replace humans. The reason this doesn't scare me

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Speaker 1: is because I don't believe you can make anything compelling

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Speaker 1: with artificial intelligence without a super heavy human hand when

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Speaker 1: it comes to art and creativity. You might be able

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Speaker 1: to make a movie with Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise

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Speaker 1: driving in a car, talking to each other, and it

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Speaker 1: looks like Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise, but it's completely

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Speaker 1: devoid of any artistic POV or merit. And it will

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Speaker 1: never have that POV or that merit unless humans are involved.

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Speaker 1: And there's no magic wand that you can wave at

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Speaker 1: it and take five seconds to write a movie script.

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Speaker 1: It just can't be done. And I don't see it

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Speaker 1: being done anytime soon. That might be naive, but it's

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Speaker 1: certainly fascinating. I don't think it's naive, but I do

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Speaker 1: think it's fascinating. And I'm interested in figuring out how

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Speaker 1: this is going to be used for creatives, for writers

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Speaker 1: like myself, for podcasters like myself, and in film. Because

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Speaker 1: I'm already seeing it. And I'm seeing it in ways.

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Speaker 1: Not in sloppy ways. What was that show I really

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Speaker 1: liked on HBO? DTF St. Louis. There's AI scenes in

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Speaker 1: that series that come and go really quickly. You don't

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Speaker 1: even really notice them. And I didn't hate them. You

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Again, it wasn't slop. Now, I

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00:31:40,860 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: can't stand the slop. There's a ton of slop. And

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Speaker 1: it's just like we're in this really weird space right now.

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Speaker 1: It's like people are just completely allergic to the topic.

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Speaker 1: And I get it. I understand it.

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: And then people are being completely disingenuous about it as well.

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Speaker 1: And I'm really fascinated to see where we land with this. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: Joshua Blevins, Disco Joshua Blevins, thank you for teeing up

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Speaker 1: this conversation. You guys want to tee up any conversation

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Speaker 1: about anything we're talking here in Disgraceland? Disgracelandpod at gmail.com

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00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,690
Speaker 1: is how you email me. All right, guys, it's a

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Speaker 1: spooky season. Lots of Halloween talk in the Hollywoodland feed

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00:32:20,590 --> 00:32:23,890
Speaker 1: with Dr. Lundy and myself. Our recommendations, make sure you're

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Speaker 1: subscribed to Hollywoodland so you get the full scope of

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Speaker 1: everything we're talking about here in the Double Elvis world

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00:32:30,990 --> 00:32:37,260
Speaker 1: every week. Zeth, we have three drops in Hollywoodland every week.

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Speaker 1: The archive episode, the screening room, and the wrap party.

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00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:43,870
Speaker 1: Go to Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio app, Wherever you listen to podcasts,

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Speaker 1: make sure you're subscribed to Hollywoodland and join that conversation. Now,

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Speaker 1: Zeth and I, as I mentioned earlier, are having another conversation.

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Speaker 1: This one's specifically about great music in horror movies. That's

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Speaker 1: coming up right now. Got to be an all-access member

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Speaker 1: to hear that. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to

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Speaker 1: become an all-access member. Get exclusive content just like this,

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Speaker 1: Access members, you're getting a new... This film should be

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Speaker 1: played loud and you're getting it soon. We're talking Shaun

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Speaker 1: of the Dead. Again, go to disgracehandpod.com to make sure

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Speaker 1: you're getting all of our Double Elvis content. Back after this.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, we are back. And as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: every week we have a vast archive of episodes. A

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Speaker 1: lot of you don't know what we got in the archive.

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Speaker 1: There's a ton of content in there, a ton of

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Speaker 1: artists that we cover. As demonstrated by that caller earlier

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Speaker 1: who didn't realize we have an Allman Brothers story. Lots

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Speaker 1: of stuff. Get into the archive. Hit me up, disgracelandpod

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Speaker 1: at gmail.com, 617-906-6638, voicemail and text if you have specific

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Speaker 1: questions about artists and I can point you in the

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Speaker 1: right direction. All right, let's recap, then I gotta get

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Speaker 1: out of here, all right? Number one, this week, our

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Speaker 1: new episode on Reggie Watts. That's available for you to

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Speaker 1: check out right now. Number two, in the rewind slot

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Speaker 1: this weekend, our classic episode on Madonna next week. Coming up,

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Speaker 1: our new episode, our next new episode, that's on Shannon Hu.

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Speaker 1: Number four, Seth gives you those Hollywood and crime vibes

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Speaker 1: in the Hollywoodland podcast, so make sure you are subscribed.

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Speaker 1: I give you my music recommendations every week in the

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Speaker 1: wrap party. Number five, the new current This Film Should

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Speaker 1: Be Played Loud video podcast episode on Shaun of the

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Speaker 1: Dead is available now, so check that out. Go to

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Speaker 1: disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an all-access member and

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Speaker 1: unlock exclusive content just like this, along with ad-free listening.

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Speaker 1: Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the

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Speaker 1: dark corners of music history, so keep calling, keep texting

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Speaker 1: with your answers to this week's question of the week

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Speaker 1: or with whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven,

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Speaker 1: don't forget Disco's This isn't just content, it's community, a

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Speaker 1: community of the obsessed. And no one cares about music, books, records,

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Speaker 1: and the crime and grime that ties them all together

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00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right,

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Speaker 1: back on March 28th, 2026, Reggie Watts' ex-girlfriend, Catherine McCullough,

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00:35:07,930 --> 00:35:11,190
Speaker 1: died by suicide, setting off a lot of questions into

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Speaker 1: the musician slash comedian's treatment and alleged abuse. And this

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Speaker 1: is what America was listening to on that day, according

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Speaker 1: to the Billboard charts. Number one, Choose in Texas, Ella Lange.

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Speaker 1: Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, four.

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Speaker 1: Number two, Man I Need, Olivia Deen. Last week, two.

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Speaker 1: Peak position, two. Weeks on chart. Number 3, I Just Might,

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Speaker 1: Bruno Mars, Last Week, 3, Peak Position, 1, Weeks on Charts, 10,

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Speaker 1: Number 4, Orson, Alex Warren, Last Week, 5, Peak Position, 1,

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Speaker 1: Weeks on Charts, 56, Number 5.

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Speaker 2: Incredible smell you've discovered.

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Speaker 3: Cut it!