1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. I feel like Alice in 2 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: Wonderland where everything is upside down, or there was a 3 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: series of Batman mini books I would read to the 4 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: twins and they were little, and there was a world 5 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: called Bizarro World where everything literally was the reverse. Do 6 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: I have this right? A rape victim is ordered to 7 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: pay her rapist child support and the rapist has actually 8 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: gotten partial custody of the child that was born of 9 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: a rape. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank 10 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation in 11 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: series X one eleven. I've never seen anything quite like this, 12 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 1: And let me tell you, having prosecuted nothing but violent 13 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: felonies for over a decade, I've seen a lot but 14 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: forcing a rape victim to pay her rapist. Take a 15 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: listen to our friend Chris Stakamoto w b RZ. He 16 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: offered to bring me home that night because my friend 17 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: wanted to leave early. Christa Abel Seth knows all too 18 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: well about overcoming adversity. The thirty two year old is 19 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: the mother of a sixteen year old who we are 20 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: not naming. We're identifying because she's a miner. She was 21 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: also born from a rape and It was a thirty 22 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: year old man and I was sixteen. Abel Seth recalls 23 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: meeting this man, John Barnes, at a bar in Hammond, 24 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: back in two thousand and five. He offered to take 25 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: her home instead of bring me home. He brought me 26 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: to his home, and once inside, he proceeded to rape 27 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: me on his living room couch. Abel Seth did not 28 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: know Barnes before that night, but came away from it 29 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: preg everybody else, just as soon goes from a boyfriend. 30 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: And I just let them believe that I have twins, 31 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: boy girl, twins. They are fourteen, they are about to 32 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: turn fifteen. This then a little girl was about a 33 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: year older than my little Lucy. What is a thirty 34 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 1: year old man doing with a teen girl having sex 35 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: on the sofa of his home. That's rape. That is 36 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: statutory rape. There's no other way to state it. That 37 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: is rape. A child that age cannot enter a contract, 38 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: can't buy a car, can't buy a house in many juristics, 39 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: just still can't even work, can't get booze, can't buy cigarettes, 40 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: much less weed or anything else because they're not old enough, 41 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: much less not old enough to get picked up at 42 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: a bar and taken home and rape. And now fast forward, 43 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: she keeps the baby, raises the baby, and suddenly she 44 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: has to pay her rapist child's support. Help me understand 45 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: how this case has been turned, So bass ackwards with 46 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: me an all star panel to make sense of what 47 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: we know right now? And boy do we need this one? 48 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: Sarah Ford, Legal, director of South Carolina Victim's Assistant Network, 49 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: and she focused on crimes against women as a prosecutor. 50 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: Doctor Mendy B. Mechanic, professor's psychology, and boy do we 51 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: need a shrink Emeritus, California State University, Fullerton forensics psychologists 52 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: focusing on trauma and victimization, sex partner violence, stalking, and 53 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: sex assaults. Doctor Monte Miller, Director Forensic DNA Experts specialists 54 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: and sex assaults and murder former scientists for Texas Department 55 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 1: Public say, but first, a special guest joining us, Chris Nakamoto, 56 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: Anchor in chief investigative reporter wb RZTV, Chris, what am 57 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: I missing in this picture? She's raped at age sixteen 58 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: by thirty year old man. And under the law, you 59 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: don't have to beat the rape victim and tear her 60 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: clothes off and leave her with a bloody lip and 61 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: broken bones in her face. At that age, this child 62 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: still qualifies as protected under the law. That's statutory rate. 63 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: No matter how you slice it, you are one hundred 64 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: percent right. We're talking about Louisiana. Our food, our music, 65 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: our culture, our corruption, even our craziness is different here. 66 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: And we first heard about the story about a month ago. 67 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: We were just so aghast by the allegations. We started 68 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: doing some digging. We've been looking into this now for 69 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: about a month and a half. And then when we 70 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: started trying to vet what was happening, doing or due diligence, 71 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: talking to the sheriff, talking to the judge evolved. No 72 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: one wanted to talk. See I wonder why. I wonder 73 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: why nobody wanted to talk. They must all be embarrassed 74 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: of what is happening under their noses. And that judge, 75 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: hold on, I'm about to show him any rear. End. 76 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut three our friends at 77 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: w b r Z seven years ago. When July of 78 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, Able seth press charges against Barns. This report 79 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: she followed with the tangentbeho pair of Sheriff's office for 80 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: simple rape. Details everything that was done to her. Why 81 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: did you so long to follow? Well, like I said, 82 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: I was young and I didn't know the law at 83 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: the time. I didn't think I had any time more 84 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: time to do it. I thought if I didn't do 85 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: it right after it happened, like the next day, then 86 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: there was nothing I could do about it. And like 87 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: I said, I went to that trauma counselor and he 88 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: informed me, no, you have thirty years after you turn eighteen. 89 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: From twenty fifteen until now, nothing has happened with the report, 90 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: and the Sheriff's office tells us it's still open. It 91 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: was never assigned to any detective, and nothing was ever investigated. Okay, 92 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: I don't understand why nothing was ever done. Maybe Chris 93 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: Nakamoto joining me from w b RZ, you can tell 94 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: me what the sheriff has to say about that. They 95 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: had been radio silent up until so much pressure came 96 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: on them this week, where numerous other media outlets after 97 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: we aired this Monday, began asking questions as well. Late yesterday, 98 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,799 Speaker 1: they issued a news release they're not doing any interviews, 99 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: where they admitted their department absolutely dropped the ball. They 100 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: claimed they need to own their mistake. They said that 101 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: this mistake has never been a problem before and we 102 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: need to keep it that way. But then they started 103 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: victim shaming, which is really interesting. They blamed the victim 104 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: for not following up on the case after she followed 105 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: that report in twenty fifteen that went nowhere, And so 106 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: it's really interesting to see the tactics that they're taking 107 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: right now. But their mistake led to extraordinary consequences. And 108 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: if this had been dealt with seven years ago, this 109 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: custody issue might not even be an issue. Their mistake, 110 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: their mistake. Well, as it turns out, the baby daddy 111 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: in this case has a fairly substantial background. Who is he? 112 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: He runs a company called Gumbo Digital Branding. They go websites. 113 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: On Monday when we did the story, he had his 114 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: whole little client list published and one of them just 115 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: happened to be the local police department in the jurisdiction 116 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: where this happened. And after we heard the story, he 117 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: deleted that whole page that has all of his clients 118 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: on there. So his clients include the sheriff's office the 119 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: police department in that jurisdiction. Guys, take a listen to 120 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: our cut. Four Our friends at w b r Z. 121 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: A quick search of John Barnes shows he owns Gumbo 122 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: Digital Branding, a web company in Ponchatoula. Barnes website shows 123 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: the police department as his client. Court records in the 124 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: Tangebeho Parish Courthouse showed John Barnes admitted in June of 125 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: twenty eleven that he's the biological father of the child. 126 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: This year, he was granted full custody of that child, 127 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: even though a criminal complaint was followed against him in 128 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Mysteriously, those records are under seal, hidden from 129 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: public view. When I found out that she was a 130 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: rape victim and found out that this rapist could potentially 131 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: get full custody, that was when I stepped in and said, no, 132 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: something has to be done about this. Stacy Trish works 133 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: for the nonprofit Save Lives. She's hoping able seth through 134 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: this dark and tangled web that allowed her perpetrator to 135 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: get custody of her child. I just can't take in 136 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: what I'm hearing. A rapist gets custody of the child 137 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: and the rape victim has been forced to pay child support. 138 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: So let's go back in time, just a moment to 139 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: the time of the rape. Take a listen to our 140 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: cut to our friends at w BRC Ablesth had a 141 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: healthy baby girl and everything was fine until John Barnes 142 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: learned sometime in twenty eleven that he might have a daughter. 143 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: When my daughter was five years old, he found out 144 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: about her. And once he found out about her, he 145 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: basically pursued custody and wanted to take her away from me, 146 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: and they granted him fifty fifty custody despite the fact 147 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: that it was caused through rape. This DNA test is 148 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: part of court documents that showed with ninety nine point 149 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: nine seven percent probability John Barnes as the child's father. 150 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: Problem is, Barnes was thirty years old and able Seth 151 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: was sixteen, making it illegal even if it were consensual. 152 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: Ableseth maintains it was never consensual. Okay. First of all, Nancy, 153 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: this is Jackie. Let me jump in here. John Barnes, 154 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: the man accused of raping Apple Seth, flatly denies that 155 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: he raped the then sixteen year old world. He says 156 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,599 Speaker 1: he thought that she was an adult because she was 157 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 1: in a bar, using a fake ID. Okay, in my mind. 158 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: To Sarah Ford, Legal director of South Carolina victim's Assistants network. 159 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: In my mind, this is an open shut case of 160 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: statutory rape because it's my understanding in that jurisdiction, and 161 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: all you Louisiana people correct me if I'm wrong. A 162 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: child sixteen or under cannot consent to sex, period, So 163 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: even if there was consent, it's still statutory rape. The 164 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: defense I thought she was eighteen. That doesn't cut it 165 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: in our world. Maybe over in Afghanistan that's okay, but 166 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: not here in the US, certainly not in Louisiana. So 167 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: in my mind, Sarah, the DNA test alone proves the 168 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: case because you've got the mother who's sixteen years old 169 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: at the time, you've got the father who was thirty 170 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: years old at the time, and you've got the baby. 171 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: The DNA test shows it's his baby and she's the mom. 172 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: And they didn't teach me math in law school. But 173 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: I can add and subtract really well. That proves the 174 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: DNA test alone proves sex with a minor, the statutory rape. Sarah. Absolutely, Nancy, 175 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: it is mind boggling that the sheriff, I guess the 176 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: quote unquote dropped the ball with this investigation because this 177 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: seems like one of the cases where they would be 178 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: absolutely ready and willing to investigate this with evidence that's 179 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: so clear and convincing that a rate actually occurred. There 180 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 1: is an evidence in the DNA test. This is absolutely 181 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: mind boggling that nothing went for with that investigation, and 182 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: then they call it a quote mistake. It's not a mistake. 183 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: It as a huge failure of the system. Time stories 184 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:26,599 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace to doctor Mendy B. Mechanic, professor's Psychology Emeritus, 185 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: California State University, Fullerton, Doctor Mechanic, thank you for being 186 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: with us. Dropped the ball. That is certainly putting perfume 187 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: on the pig. Quite the ephemism. Dropped the ball. That 188 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: makes me think of me out in the front yard 189 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: with my twins playing ball, kicking the soccer ball, playing basketball, 190 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: and I dropped the ball. This is not dropping the ball. 191 00:12:55,640 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: It's sugarcoating a horrible situation. Never remitate. Yes, I mean 192 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: she's been the victim now three times. It sounds like 193 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: she was the victim of the original rape. She's the 194 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: victim of the criminal courts or the Sheriff's department who 195 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: are egregiously not taking appropriate action in terms of the 196 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: criminal case, and then she's now battered by the family 197 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: court who gives who gave partial custody and required her 198 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: to pay child support to her rapists. So this is 199 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: probably one of the most insane outcomes I've ever seen 200 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: in a case like this. But you know, victims of 201 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: sexual or dender based violence, it don't always fare that 202 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: well in family court. And there's been a long history 203 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: as you well know, about victims being shamed and blamed 204 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: in criminal courts when they bring forward allegations. I don't 205 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: know anything about Louisiana and the way it works, but 206 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: I could only say some kind of politics or corruption 207 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: as that play here. You know, Doctor Mechanic with me, guys, 208 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: Doctor Mende B. Mechanic, Professor psychology emeritus in California. I've 209 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: dealt with so many rape victims, child rape victims, sexual 210 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: molestation victims, and they all tell me the same thing, 211 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: different words. During the rape, a child goes out of 212 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: her body. She looks down on her body as she's 213 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: being raped. They have an out of body experience. I've 214 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: heard that many times. I've heard sitting alone with rape victims, 215 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: child molestation victims, how the feeling of helplessness is the 216 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: worst of all, the worst thing of all. I've got 217 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: this person raping you, and you're a child. There's nothing 218 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: you can do about it. I've had many of them 219 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: where they blame the mother because the mother did nothing 220 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: to stop the rape. In this case, a sixteen year 221 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: old girl is rape and nobody does a darn thing 222 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: up until to day today, they're still not doing anything. 223 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: And I'm hearing Sarah Ford, this victim, Krista Abbleseth, who 224 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: has gone public, saying at the time, when I didn't 225 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: call the cops that day, the next day, I thought 226 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: I couldn't go forward. Victims get all sorts of things 227 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: in their head. She can go to law school. She 228 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: doesn't know about the tolling of Statute of limitations. She 229 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: knows nothing about that. When she's later told by a 230 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: trauma expert she's obviously still having trauma, as most rape 231 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: victims do. She finds out, hey, you can do it now, 232 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: and she marches herself down and files a police report 233 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: and nothing happens. Sarah, it's not unusual at all for 234 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: there to be delayed disclosure in cases like this. It 235 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: is a huge, huge failure for this investigation It absolutely 236 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: is unimaginable that this young woman reported this seven years 237 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: ago and now is being revictimized not only by the 238 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: lack of investigation into incredibly serious rape charges, but as 239 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: now being forced by our family courts to not only 240 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: interact with her rapists, but to turn her child over 241 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: to him and pay him child support. It is absolutely 242 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: a huge, huge failure to doctor Monte Miller, director or 243 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: Forensic DNA Experts LLC, specialist in sex assaults and murder. 244 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: Doctor Miller, again, if I could get my hands on 245 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: this case, I would bring on the victim, the chain 246 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: of custody person and the DNA expert, the scientist to 247 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: tell me this victim is this age, here's the baby, 248 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: and there's the daddy, and the subtract jury. He was 249 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: thirty and she was sixteen when this happened. Case closed 250 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: a statutory rate under the law. Explain to me, doctor Miller, 251 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: how do you extract DNA from I mean, what do 252 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: you do? You get a bugle squab at which is 253 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: likely take a really long queue tip and you swab 254 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: the inside of your mouth with it, and then you 255 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: take that and you get DNA. How does the whole 256 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: thing work? How do I know for sure John Barnes, 257 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: now forty six had sex with a sixteen year old girl. Well, basically, 258 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: you know, the DNA that you have starts when with concession, 259 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: which just one one sperm and one egg, and the 260 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: DNA and your body is the same. Anywhere. We can 261 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 1: get it from your cheek, we get it from your blood, 262 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: we get it from your sperm. You're going to donate 263 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: half of your DNA to your child, and the mother 264 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: will donate half of her DNA to the child. So 265 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: if we get a buckle swamp from inside your mouth 266 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: or a blood sample or any sample, and we run those, 267 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: we can compare them. The child's half of their DNA 268 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: will come from their mom, and what's left over had 269 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: to come from the dad. From a legal perspective, that 270 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: report alone demonstrates with certainty, without like you've said, without 271 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: anything else even being looked at, that he's the dad 272 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: unless he has an identical twin. You know, this establishes 273 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: that they had sex. I mean, and again it's it's 274 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: mind boggling, As you guys have said, it's a huge failure. 275 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: It's it's unthinkable. I mean, that's the kind of evidence 276 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: that they use regularly to condict somebody. If I were 277 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: the defense guy here exactly in statutory rank case is 278 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: what oh I was going to say if I were, 279 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: if I were working for the defense here, I would say, 280 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: there isn't it. I mean, he's the dad and she's young. 281 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: It's case closed, case closed. And doctor Monty Miller, director 282 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: forensic DNA experts, tell me the percentage of accuracy in 283 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: this case, Like, what's the likelihood he's the dad? Well, 284 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: the likelihood if they wrote it all out. I mean, 285 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: I think I saw something that said nine nine point 286 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: ninety seven, But that's well beyond reasonable certainty. It's it's 287 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: would be so unlikely to for someone at random to 288 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: be the dad and then to pick him out, say 289 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: if that guy's the dad and have him have him 290 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: be the dad is just unthinkable. I remember when I 291 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: would prosecute DNA cases, there would be numbers like one 292 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: and four trillion likelihood this is not his DNA. What 293 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: kind numbers are we looking at here? Well, generally we're 294 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: looking at you know, ninety nine point nine percent, where 295 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: you know it's like you know, a billion to one, 296 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: one billion to one, Well, yeah, yeah, those are the 297 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: numbers I mean, yeah, you have to actually look at 298 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: the fact that she picked him out. That's a substantial fact. 299 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: Here is that so unlikely? And then to pick someone 300 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: out and say that's the guy. That guy right over 301 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: there has the winning lottery ticket. Is what you're saying, 302 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: something unlikely like that, and then they have it. And 303 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: it's not just that, Chris Nakamoto, Chief investigative Reporter w 304 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: b RZ. It's not just that it's one in a 305 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: billion likelihood ninety nine point nine nine nine according to 306 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: a DNA do you all survive by nu clak acid test? 307 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: He's the father. Not only that proves it, but he 308 00:20:53,960 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: gets custody of the child, showing that he ohs this 309 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: is his baby. That is damny. How I mean, there's 310 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: your case for statutory rape. I don't know why the 311 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: sheriffs in the DA's office are sitting on their thumbs 312 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: or their thumbs straight up their rear end. But Chris Nakamoto, 313 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 1: I understand that the mom who endured the rape actually 314 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: gave her daughter a cell phone, and somehow that was 315 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: used as evidence in losing custody. Take a listen to 316 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: our cut five our friends at w b RZ. Things 317 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: took a dramatic turn this year when they say a 318 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: judge granted Barnes full custody of the child. It happened 319 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 1: after Barnes alleged abel Seth gave her daughter a cell phone. 320 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: Abelseth says she was also ordered to pay him child support. 321 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: She's been forced to pay her perpetrator. She's been forced 322 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: to pay the rapeist child support, she's been forced to 323 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: pay his legal fees, and she's been forced to give 324 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: up custody of this child that's a product of the lake. 325 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: It just makes no sense. We brought this case to 326 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: the Louisiana Foundation against Sexual Assault. You can't consent, You're 327 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: too young, It's what the law says. Their lawyers say, 328 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: not only is this egregious, but they've never seen a 329 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: case like it. It seems pretty straightforward, not only that 330 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: a crime took place, but that as a result of 331 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: that crime, that this person shouldn't have custody of this child. 332 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: To Chris like Amoto, w b r ZTV chief investigative reporter, 333 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: how did Christa lose custody every little girl? So in 334 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: this goes back about till about twenty eleven when he 335 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: realized he first had a child, and then he that's 336 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: when he went and took this DNA test to try 337 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: to get fifty fifty custody. He gets fifty fifty custody, 338 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: and then, according to unfueled court documents, in about twenty sixteen, 339 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: the judge orders the victim to pay the perpetrator about 340 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: one hundred and seventeen dollars per month in child support 341 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: to raise this child. Then this year there are new 342 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: allegations after she was prohibited from giving her daughter a cellphone. 343 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: John Barnes alleged that the daughter got another cell phone, 344 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: and Christa maintained she never gave the daughter another cell phone. 345 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: But that's what the judge used as the impetus to 346 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: revoked custody and award full custody to John Barne. Are 347 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: you sure, Chris Makamoto, then that is why mom lost custody, 348 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: because she gave her daughter a cell phone. Yes, we 349 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: pulled the unsealed court records after we aired the story 350 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: on Monday. There was so much public outcry, Well then 351 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm going straight to hell because I've given both of 352 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: my children a cell phone. Well, why is that a 353 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: grounds to lose custody? They claim that the daughter was 354 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: using it to do TikTok? Right. They all do TikTok? Right, 355 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: Even the President is using TikTok exactly Nancy's chequlent me 356 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: jp In again, John Barnes claims that the reason his 357 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: daughter's cell phone was taken away and the issue with 358 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: the cell phone given to her by the mom, was 359 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: the fact that the girl was using the cell phone 360 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: to sext her boyfriend, send sexy messages to her boyfriend, 361 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: and also using it to post sexually explicit material on TikTok. 362 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: Are you sure Chris Lokomoto didn't no beanie, no starving, 363 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: no locking air in her room for days on end, 364 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: nothing like that. The documents do not say anything about 365 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: the mom being abusive or anything towards the daughter. In fact, 366 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: in January of last year, the child Guidance counselor notified 367 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: the state that the father was actually there were allegations 368 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: that the father was abusing. Now this child, that's the 369 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: product of a rape and so DCFS and tpso the 370 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: Tangible Hope Heir of Sheriff's office apparently launched an investigation 371 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: into that, which was unconclusive, and then as recent as 372 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: February of this year, the minor child alleges that she 373 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: was sexually assaulted by the father who raped the mother. 374 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: She was brought down to New Orleans to Children's Hospital, 375 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: where she was evaluated and the doctor confirmed at that 376 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: time there was evidence of worst entry. Can grue up 377 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: with a sexual assault on the child. I mean, this 378 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: is just extraordinary and to think nothing has happened is 379 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: just mind blow one. Guys, take a listen to our 380 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: cut fourteen our friends at crime online dot com. In 381 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: January twenty twenty one, the child's school counselor notified DCFS 382 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: as a mandatory reporter that the child alleged Barnes physically 383 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: and mentally abused her. Abeleseth requested that barness custody be limited. 384 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: Judge Cash denied that motion. By November, Barnes filed motions 385 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: to have Ableseth held in contempt over a cell phone. 386 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: On February second, twenty twenty two, Cash found Abeleseth in 387 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: contempt over the cell phone and ordered her to pay 388 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. Abeleseth was instructed not to provide her 389 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: with a cell phone. That same month, court records note 390 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: for the first time that the child was conceived from 391 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: a rape It's also alleged that Barnes drugged and sexually 392 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: assaulted his daughter on February twenty twenty two and February twenty, 393 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. She was transported to New Orleans where 394 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: she was evaluated and the doctor confirmed that there was 395 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: evidence of forced entry congruent with sexual assault. On March eighteenth, 396 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, Judge Cash dismisses all of able seth claims, 397 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: saying all criminal charges have not been accepted and the 398 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: evidence does not support the allegations made by the daughter. 399 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: I am so embarrassed right now to even be part 400 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: of a so called justice system for this. Teen girl 401 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: reports sex abuse by her bio dad who raped her mother. 402 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: The guidance counsel reports it. She's taken to a doctor. 403 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: The doctor says there is quote forced entry. My goodness again, 404 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: what a way of white washing the truth? Exactly what 405 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: does that mean? Sarah Ford, Legal Director, South Carolina Victim 406 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: Assistant Network. Forced entry. It makes it sound like somebody 407 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: jimmy the front door. It means she was raped. There's 408 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: evidence of trauma within her vagina. I'm not sure what 409 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: it would be. What are they saying? Sarah Nancy, these 410 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: new revelations are just astounding. You know, for there to 411 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: be any sort of physical evidence with the rape examination 412 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: kit that was obviously done on this child, and for 413 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: there to be physical evidence of I would assume some 414 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: sort of tearing or something of that nature, which would 415 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: certainly show this child had been sexually abused in some way. 416 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: I mean, to have that evidence is incredible, and then 417 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: for it to be completely ignored by the court. There 418 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: really aren't words for that. I mean, there's an absolutely 419 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: astounding that this mother has alleged that she was raped 420 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: this child is obviously evidence of that, and that she's 421 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: also saying that this same man, her father, assaulted her 422 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: as well, and the court just ignores this. It is shocking, 423 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: It is alarming, It is inexcusable. Nancy Jackie, here one 424 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: more time. John Barnes again denies raping Christa Ebelseth. He 425 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: also denies assaulting his daughter. It still should go to 426 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: a jury. They are the ultimate fact find or credibility. 427 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: It's the sole promise of a jury. How could this 428 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: be happening? Take a listen to our cut seven, our 429 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: friends at w b r Z. He's well connected, he's 430 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: threatened me multiple times, saying that he has connections in 431 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: the justice system, so I need to be careful and 432 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,479 Speaker 1: that he can take her away from me anytime he 433 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: wants to. And I don't really believed him up until now, 434 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: because it's happening. It's happening. I spoke to John Barnes 435 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: on the phone. He admitted the daughter with Krista as his, 436 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: but referred all questions to his lawyer, who did not 437 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: get back to us. The Tangent Behoe Parish Sheriff's office 438 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: says the case is still open and we reached out 439 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: to the judge who made this decision. A woman in 440 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: his office told us his judicial canons prevent him from 441 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: talking about it. Wow, that's convenient. Time stories with Nancy 442 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: Grace to Chris Nakamoto joining US chief in US to 443 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: get a reporter w b r Z. You guys are 444 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: all over this case, thank goodness. Clearly the criminal justice 445 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: system there and Potitoola Louisiana is not in hand it themselves. 446 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: I don't understand how the mom has lost custody. I 447 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: don't understand why prosecutors are not taking the case away 448 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: from the local sheriff for cop and handling it themselves. 449 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: But first let's start with the judge. Who is the 450 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: judge Macameto. The judge is Judge Jeffrey Cash. He is 451 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: a family court judge. And after we aired the story 452 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: this week, we've been flooded with other complaints of people 453 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: in that parish, in that judicial district, where people are 454 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: saying they've had other similar instances where things were not 455 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: the way they should be. Here's what's really perplexing about 456 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: that issue involving the daughter. When she had gone to 457 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: the hospital about the rape kit, there was a detective 458 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: that went and collected that evidence. Her name is Lisa Riley. 459 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: On June first, just a couple of weeks ago, she 460 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: bile the TROS seeking a protective order from being asked 461 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: certain questions about any thing that's open. RICTA and the 462 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: nonprofit that she's working with to kind of bring this 463 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: to light told us that rape kit and the evidence 464 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: tied that is now missing. I waterested in that missing 465 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: sexual assault kit. How can that be missing? There's a 466 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: chain of custody and every person that has had hold 467 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: of it then has to sign it out to somebody 468 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: else and to hand delivery, sign in, sign out whoever 469 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: has a copy of that that can be tracked. There's 470 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: a whole La Riley the last person. Lisa Riley was 471 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: the last person who put her hands on that sexual 472 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: assault kit. And she's the one who filed two weeks 473 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: ago that she doesn't want to be asked about anything 474 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: pertaining to an open investigation. Wait a minute, who is 475 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: Lisa Riley? Lisa Riley is the detective with the tangent 476 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: Behoe Harrish Sheriff's office that went and picked up the 477 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: rape kit. Okay, and he has to burn that out 478 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: to somewhere. She has to have it in her possession 479 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: or manually sign it to somebody else. It can't be missing. 480 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: She has it or she raised it up somebody. Christa 481 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: and Stacy said through their attorney, they learned that that 482 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: evidence is gone. They don't know where it is, but 483 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: Lisa Riley was the last person who had her hands 484 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: on it. Who is the district attorney? The district attorney 485 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: is Scott Parileu. How do you spell that? Pe r 486 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: r I l l o u X. We reached out 487 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: to him yesterday. He did not get back to us. 488 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: My first question would be is why is a rape 489 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: case being handled in Family Court number one, the district 490 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,959 Speaker 1: attorney Scott PARILEU Is that how you're saying it? Chris 491 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: correct should immediately seized this file and get busy if 492 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: he is at all interested in seeking justice? What is 493 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: he one of the John Barnes suspects clients too. It's 494 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: a good question, you know, a minimum. Now that all 495 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: of us has come to light, it's pretty easy for 496 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: the judge, as easy as he unsealed these documents to 497 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: do his order. And so as each day passes and 498 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: the right thing isn't done, the race has even more 499 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: questions about what the political corruption is tied to all 500 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: of these people that are all now covering for each other. 501 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: Chris Nakamoto, What can be done? What is being done? 502 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: If anything? When I spoke to Scott Plow last week, 503 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: he told me that he had not heard anything about 504 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: this case. What Nothing had been turned over to him? 505 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: Nothing had been turned over my rear end. Nobody turned 506 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: over evidence to me either. When I was prosecuting, I 507 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: would get out on the street and find the evidence, 508 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: beating the bushes, go to the crime lab, find the witnesses. 509 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: What do you mean turn over the evidence to him? 510 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: What is he talking about He said he was unaware 511 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: of this case until we brought it to his attention. 512 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: After our story aired Monday, he said he was launching 513 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: an internal review, and then late yesterday the Sheriff's office 514 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: announced that they turned everything over to him internal review. 515 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: So hey with an internal review, he needs to convene 516 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: a grand jury on the initial rape case, and then 517 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: the same grand jury needs to hear evidence on the 518 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: second alleged sex assault on the daughter. This is not 519 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: a who's done a case. John Barnes admitted he's the father. 520 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,959 Speaker 1: The DNA to test admits that he's the father. This 521 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: is a clear, open and shut case that needs to 522 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,959 Speaker 1: be rectified down and then you've got the whole can 523 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: of arms, the whole case regarding the daughter that has 524 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: been put in his custody. She's made an outcry, she's 525 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: seen a doctor. There is evidence if they say forced 526 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: entry in other words, sex assault or the girl and 527 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: she's naming the dad. That's a whole another case. Guys, 528 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut six. Our friends at 529 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: wb RZ. Lawyer Sean Cassidy says, even in two thousand 530 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: and five, when the rape took place, that's felony rape 531 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: in Louisiana, consent or not, it was illegal for a 532 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,479 Speaker 1: thirty year old to sleep with a sixteen year old. 533 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: If a child is born from a felony rape that 534 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: the law mandates says shall the abuser shall not have 535 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: visitation or any contact with that child, much less custody Tonight. 536 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: Abeleseth says for years she tried to go about this 537 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: case the right way through the courts, but having her 538 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: daughter taken away weeks ago over allegation she gave her 539 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: a cell phone left her with a lack of confidence 540 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: that she'll ever get a fair shake with justice impossible 541 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: to find for the past sixteen years. Sixteen years. Annals 542 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: narrow cut nine WBRZ new Today details about Judge Jeffrey 543 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 1: Cash's decision forcing Abeleseth to pay John Barnes' child support. 544 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: Abeleseth says she was sixteen when she met Barnes, then 545 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: thirty at a bar, was raped, then got pregnant, now 546 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: paying him one hundred and seventeen dollars per month. Barnes 547 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: even going after her when she fell behind on payments. 548 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: Things took a dramatic turn this year when Judge Cash 549 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: awarded full custody to Barnes, saying the mother was in 550 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: contempt for providing the child with a cell phone. But 551 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: that's not all. A month before the judge gave full 552 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: custody to the father, the child reported she was sexually 553 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: assaulted by Barnes for two nights in a row. The 554 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: teenage girls sought treatment at a hospital in New Orleans, 555 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,720 Speaker 1: where a doctor confirmed there's evidence of a sexual assault. 556 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: Chris Nakamoto, I'm actually speechless about what is happening in 557 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: your jurisdiction. Does Christa abel Seth have a lawyer? Yes, 558 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: there is a hearing scheduled for July the fifteenth, in 559 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 1: hopes that parental rights will be terminated for John Barnes. 560 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: But with all of this attention that has now been 561 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: brought to this case, why do we need to wait 562 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: till the fifteenth? It seems like this is pretty clear 563 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: cut and it can be undone right now. And where 564 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: is the girl right now? The daughter? The daughter is 565 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: still in the custody of the father, Dear Lord or heaven. 566 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: The daughter still with the father. Has Abele Sess lawyer 567 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: considered an immediate hearing an emergency hearing? Has anybody thought 568 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: of that? I think they filed for it, and the 569 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: earliest date they got was July the fifteenth. Who gave 570 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: them the July fifteenth to date? I'm just curious. I'm 571 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: assuming they had checked their schedules at the courthouse and 572 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: that's what was issued to them. I'll tell you one thing, 573 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: if my daughter were in this home, the courthouse would 574 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: fall down until I got that emergency hearing on the calendar, 575 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: not wait a full month, leaving her in the hands 576 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: of a man she claims molested her with a trite 577 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: record of raping her mother. You know, at this point, 578 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: what else can we do? Sarah Ford? This is such 579 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: a clear violation of the victim rights. I mean, Louisiana 580 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: has a statutory and constitutional right to victims, and this 581 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: has completely blown those rights out of the water, made 582 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: them completely meaningless. I agree, Nancy. An emergency order or 583 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: emergency hearing needs to happen, and those can normally be 584 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 1: normally scheduled within twenty four hours in family court. So 585 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: certainly waiting a month for this is absolutely ridiculous, and 586 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: certainly with these circumstances that not only have come about 587 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: but now being investigated in these additional allegations, of the 588 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: abuse of the child that is still in the custody 589 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: of the father. This is not something that can wait. 590 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: There has to be an emergency hearing and it needs 591 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 1: to happen now. Chris Nakamoto, I think I know why 592 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,760 Speaker 1: the hearing isn't until July fifteen. I think it's because 593 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,760 Speaker 1: this same judge set the hearing down. His Caldor Clark 594 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: set the hearing giving another full month. I mean, I 595 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: don't understand why her abele says, lawyer isn't appealing this. 596 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,919 Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, what can you tell 597 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: me about this Judge Jeffrey Cash. Judge Jeffrey Cash, again, 598 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: he did set that hearing and this case is going 599 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: to go before him. You know, just recently, judges had 600 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: to start producing their financial disclosure forms, so we started checking, 601 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: you know, some of his background donors and things like that, 602 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 1: and the companies who he's affiliated with, and we weren't 603 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,240 Speaker 1: really able to pinpoint a connection, which is what really 604 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: makes this whole thing very mysterious. I will tell you 605 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: the sheriff in that jurisdiction is the governor of the 606 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: State of Louisiana's brother and the state entity that operates 607 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: under the direction of the governor is the entity the 608 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: Department of Children and Family Services that is overseeing these 609 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 1: child support payments to this perpetrator. So we asked the 610 00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,479 Speaker 1: Governor's office two days ago for a statement. We also 611 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: asked the Department of Children and Family Services for a 612 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: statement about how they could be mandating these child support 613 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: payments to this perpetrator when we all know what the 614 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: facts are now. And they said, all our job is 615 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,240 Speaker 1: is to enforce a court order and we're just made 616 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,280 Speaker 1: by it too, but we have to follow a court order. 617 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: And so I said, well, certainly your attorneys within that 618 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: agency would see some ethical problem with us, right, And 619 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: they said, we have to just enforce support order. So 620 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 1: we asked the governor first statement, and we have not 621 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: heard back for two days, which is very out of 622 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: character for him to not respond or his communications people 623 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: to not respond to us. I'm also concerned about the 624 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 1: parish sheriff because no charges have been filed yet, and 625 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 1: they blame the fact it was never assigned to a 626 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: detective and nothing has been investigated. Well, I've learned enough 627 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: right now in the last forty minutes to know for 628 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: a fact that this man is the bio dad of 629 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: this little girl, and that the mom was underage at 630 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: the time they had sex. And I'm doing air quotes 631 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,240 Speaker 1: because that is statutory rape. Nancy. Once again, John Barnes 632 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: denies raping a a Seth. He says the allegations against 633 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: him are lives. He said he did meet the sixteen 634 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: year old at a bar, and he did offer her 635 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: a ride home, but he also thought that she was 636 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: a college student because that was what she had been 637 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,839 Speaker 1: telling people in the bar. She was also using a 638 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 1: fake ID. He says he believed that she was an adult. Okay, everybody, 639 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: are you trying to just hearing about crime? Do something 640 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: about it? Calls Scott Parilott, the elected district attorney Nancy. 641 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 1: The phone number to the District Attorney's office is nine 642 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: eight five seven four eight seven eight nine zero. You 643 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: know what, I'm just going to dial that number right 644 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 1: now myself. I want justice. Goodbye, friend,