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Speaker 3: Welcome back to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 3: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 3: I am John schmulch Er Normal Friday Show. We'll have

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Speaker 3: a conversation with Giants edge rusher Brian Burns. We'll hear

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Speaker 3: from the head coach of the Giants, Brian Dable, and

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Speaker 3: then Tim Benz, who hosts the Steelers pre and post

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Speaker 3: game show, will join us to give us an inside

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Speaker 3: look at the Steelers. Let's lead us off with Brian

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Speaker 3: Burns and now we're joined by Giants edge rusher Brian Burns. Brian,

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Speaker 3: when you guys look back at the Philly tape, when

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Speaker 3: you take review on Monday and Tuesday, what'd you guys say?

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Speaker 2: We're just seen small, small mistakes, small things that that

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Speaker 2: can be easily fixed, as far as it's like certain

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Speaker 2: technique and certain leverages pretty much. But that was pretty

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Speaker 2: much the only thing that we've seen on that film, honestly.

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Speaker 2: But those are things that can be fixeding it's all

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Speaker 2: run game and discipline.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I listen, how do you evaluate that?

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Speaker 3: Because I thought down to down on the run defense,

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Speaker 3: you guys are actually okay, But you were those three

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Speaker 3: explosives in there that accounted for one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 3: of its one hundred and seventy rushing yards. So when

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Speaker 3: you do your overe evaluation, is you just figuring out

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Speaker 3: what you did it wrong on those individual plays rather

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Speaker 3: than a holistic view of how you're trying to stop

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. You know, the numbers can be skewed because

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Speaker 2: of those big runs that he did have. But like

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Speaker 2: I said, it's a small little technique, small little leverages

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Speaker 2: that open up those big plays. But like you said,

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Speaker 2: for the most part, he was bottled up for a

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Speaker 3: And it was different things on each player, right, one

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Speaker 3: other one was up the middle. So it was really

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Speaker 3: completely different issues on the three plays.

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Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, it was one came down just to the

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Speaker 2: call basically, just what the call was. It was just

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Speaker 2: like a wrong time type of deal. Nothing crazy, But

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Speaker 2: I mean we still could have made it. But like

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Speaker 2: I said, it comes down to leverage, you know, So

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Speaker 2: the right leverage, we could have made that play as well,

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Speaker 2: But then the other ones was just like you know,

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Speaker 2: cecond bass is just squirted out of the out of

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Speaker 2: the hole. Like I said, it was minusculea It wasn't

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Speaker 3: And you look at the game, they drop back to

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Speaker 3: past twenty one times you guys had five sacks. You

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Speaker 3: go back, that's a twenty three percent sack rate in

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Speaker 3: any game. That's astronomically good. But is that a classic

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Speaker 3: example of having to earn the right to rush the

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Speaker 3: passer by stopping the run, which is I know what

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Speaker 3: you guys and defense coordinators talk about a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, you got us up to run to earn

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Speaker 2: the right to rush. And like like you said, like

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Speaker 2: once they figured out that their room was getting getting somewhere,

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Speaker 2: they kind of abandoned the pass because why I put

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Speaker 3: I guess, why has your pass rush been able to

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Speaker 3: a disruptive pass rush. You can get pressures, you can

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Speaker 3: take the quarterback out of his game, out of his rhythm,

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Speaker 1: Don't get sacks all the time. Why are you guys

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Speaker 2: I think everybody just winning at a high level. You know,

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Speaker 2: Dex is doing his thing, tib was doing his thing

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Speaker 2: you know. So I feel like a lot of times

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Speaker 2: So I feel like that's one of the main reasons.

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Speaker 3: How much is that by design, with the way the

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Speaker 3: And how much is it the individual talent of the

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Speaker 2: It's a combination of both. Like I said before, like

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Speaker 2: But I think it's a little bit of both of

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Speaker 2: really like just opening up the opportunity to win. He's

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Speaker 3: You played with with a very good defensive tackle and

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Speaker 3: talked to you in the offseason how you guys can

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Speaker 3: you've seen it on tape in what ways do you

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Speaker 2: You know, just for a guy with that size, you know,

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Speaker 2: Dex can do both, you know what I'm saying. And

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Speaker 2: at the same time, he's able to He's witty and

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Speaker 2: dictating off of what they give us, you know. So

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Speaker 2: that's not something that's you know, normal, especially for d

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Speaker 3: Do you see your presence outside also helping him? Is

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Speaker 3: this a mutually beneficial relationship here where it's very hard

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually joke about it on the sideline. I

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Speaker 1: I want to get a little technical with you. I'm

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Speaker 3: I know a lot of coaches don't want your guys

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Speaker 2: It's tricky, you know, you never want to you know,

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Speaker 3: How was the team's mindset and practice been this week

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Speaker 2: It's been good. It's been great energy, Guys been coming

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Speaker 2: watching back at that film, it was all about details,

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Speaker 3: You know, there were some questions from from the media

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Speaker 3: a player, as a veteran that you think is best

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Speaker 3: solved by the players talking to each other? Is that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's best to have the players handle it,

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Speaker 2: do the same. So, yes, I think it's best to

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Speaker 2: have the players handle it. And you know, everybody learns.

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Speaker 2: Everybody responds differently to criticism and encouragement. So however that

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, all right, let's talk about the opponent this week,

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Speaker 3: Russell Wilson. You've played him twice before. What are the

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Speaker 2: Overall? Rust has seen at all, you know, Russ has

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Speaker 2: great success. Obviously, like you said, he's not as mobile

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Speaker 2: he's seen everything and he can probably see something before

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Speaker 2: p's and q's. And as a rusher, I understand that

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Speaker 3: Everyone says, when you play the Steers, you got it

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Speaker 3: ready to put your hard hat on the very physical

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Speaker 3: kind of run the ball?

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Speaker 1: Downhill and punch in the face a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be one of those grimmy games. And

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Speaker 2: you know, as a defensive player, I look forward to that,

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Speaker 2: you know. But I also do want to force him

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Speaker 2: that's where my strengths is laying. My stress are in

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Speaker 2: be one of those grimmy games for sure, And uh

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Speaker 2: those are exciting as well. And look if it's my

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Speaker 1: So what if people told you about playing there?

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Speaker 2: Told me, He told me, get wild, get crazy, especially

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: And I think we can just bring those two answers

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Speaker 3: you just said together, right, if you can get ahead

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Speaker 3: I got the two toughest questions for last. How you

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 4: John's great to catch Chubley again. How you been?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great. I also did some play by playwork

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're pretty healthy right now in terms of fifty

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Speaker 4: For sure. I'd be great to have Fraser healthy, but

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Speaker 1: I want to stay on the offensive line.

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Speaker 4: Right, there was consternation. I wasn't really a part of

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Speaker 3: a perfect partner in George Pickens. You know, Wilson was

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Speaker 3: always great at throwing those deep balls, and that's where

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Speaker 3: George Pickens seems to thrive. I know at times he

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Speaker 3: might be a little immature, that's the word I'll choose.

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Speaker 1: You could use a different one if you like.

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Speaker 3: But how is that connection going between Russ and and

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Speaker 3: Pickens and kind of the rest of that wide receiver

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Speaker 3: corp coming along.

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Speaker 4: Immature is one of the many words that works, so

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Speaker 4: let's just stick with that. You're right, Yes, that's a

447
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Speaker 4: good way to describe it. But having Russ does unlock

448
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Speaker 4: Pickens more, I think because he throws a more catchable

449
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Speaker 4: ball at a higher point that uses George's catch radius

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Speaker 4: the way it should be used fields. For as surprisingly

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Speaker 4: accurate as he was on the deep balls, it could

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Speaker 4: have been better still, and he does throw a line

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Speaker 4: drive like there's not a lot of air and touch

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Speaker 4: underneath it, and you're not getting the most that you

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Speaker 4: could out of Pickens in that regard. Like, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's funny. I do a couple of shows here a

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Speaker 4: week with Matt Williamson, who used to be a pro

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Speaker 4: and college scout and it's been with us for quite

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Speaker 4: some time. You can find him online. He's a really

460
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Speaker 4: good scouting eye for things and did that job professionally

461
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Speaker 4: with the Browns and at the University of Pittsburgh as well.

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Speaker 4: And he said, it's funny to say this, but the

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Speaker 4: one thing that really stood out to him. If there

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Speaker 4: was a concern about Russ, is his arm strength as

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Speaker 4: good as it used to be. And everybody's talking about

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Speaker 4: the deep ball, the deep ball, How good the deep

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Speaker 4: ball was. Well, he put the ball in good spots deep,

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Speaker 4: but it's not like George Pickens was running underneath them

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Speaker 4: in stride like he was coming back. He made two

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Speaker 4: good combat catches and put Sauce Gardner in a tough

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Speaker 4: spot for a pass interference penalty as well. In fact,

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Speaker 4: that probably was Russ's best deep ball was the one

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Speaker 4: that drew the pass interference penalty. So you know, you

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Speaker 4: have a smaller guy or a less freakish athlete than Pickens,

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Speaker 4: then maybe we're not talking about how great Russ's deep

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Speaker 4: ball still is.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, All right, let's go to the defensive side

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Speaker 1: of the ball.

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Speaker 3: Tomlin and Tero Austin really seems to have things cooking

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Speaker 3: on that end here. You know, as usual top five

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Speaker 3: run defense, they stopped the run extremely well.

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Speaker 1: It really all starts with your front, right.

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Speaker 3: They don't have the blitz a lot because of Hayward,

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Speaker 3: because of high Smith, because of what very physical upfront,

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Speaker 3: and that still seems to be the basis of what

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Speaker 3: Steelers football is on the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a bit of a DNA change. I mean

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Speaker 4: we were blitzberg you know, like that started here. The

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Speaker 4: three four zone blitz started here, I shouldn't say started,

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Speaker 4: but was perfected here in the nineties. So people are asking,

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Speaker 4: and I think rightfully, so should they blitz more? Because

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Speaker 4: it felt like they wanted to do that this year,

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Speaker 4: Like they kept the landon Roberts, who's a good blitzer.

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Speaker 4: They went out and got Patrick Queen, who when paired

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Speaker 4: with Roquan Smith, was an excellent blitzer last year. Peyton

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Speaker 4: Wilson is certainly capable of that, the third round pick

497
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Speaker 4: who's getting a ton of time on the field, But

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Speaker 4: they're not blitzing and they're just going with four. And

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Speaker 4: I do think the Steelers pass rush is predictable. Luckily,

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Speaker 4: you can predict the TJ Wat's gonna be pretty good

501
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Speaker 4: most weeks and Cameron Hayward and Hayward, Yeah, like you

502
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Speaker 4: can predict for the most part what you can get

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Speaker 4: from their front. But I would like to see the

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Speaker 4: pass rush varied more. And I don't think it's a

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Speaker 4: crime against humanity to have TJ. Watt rush from a

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Speaker 4: different place from time to time than just standing over

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Speaker 4: the right tackle. They seem to think so maybe he

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Speaker 4: seems to think so. I don't know, but you know,

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Speaker 4: like they they beat the Jets with one sack last week.

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Speaker 4: I think TJ has a sack and a half over

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Speaker 4: his last four games. Their pressure is constantly present, Like

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Speaker 4: they hit Rogers eight times, and I don't think he

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Speaker 4: liked that very much. So they'll get around the quarterback,

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Speaker 4: they'll get near the quarterback, but they're not bringing the

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Speaker 4: quarterback down as much as you would think the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 4: Steelers do based on their reputation.

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Speaker 3: Is Keanu Benton an emerging star here that maybe the

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Speaker 3: rest of the league hasn't figured out yet.

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Speaker 4: We keep saying that, We were starting to say that

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Speaker 4: before he even played his first preseason game. He's good,

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Speaker 4: you know, he's he's been a good pick and he's

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Speaker 4: a good defensive lineman in the National Football League. Good pick.

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Speaker 4: You know, this anointing like he's ready to be the

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Speaker 4: next cam on a consistent play to play down to

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Speaker 4: down basis. I don't see it yet, but he's good,

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Speaker 4: you know, and there's there's upside and I think he

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Speaker 4: could be very good, but you know, I don't think

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Speaker 4: he's where Javon Hargrave was by the time Javon Hargrave

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Speaker 4: left the Steelers, which is sort of a he's a

530
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Speaker 4: bigger Javon Hargrave, and like in terms of just stature,

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Speaker 4: he doesn't have the backside that Hargrave had, you know,

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Speaker 4: like the anchor that Hargrave had. You know, He's not

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Speaker 4: where Hargrave was when Hargrave.

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Speaker 5: Left the Steelers.

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Speaker 4: Let's put it that way. That's that's the level that

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Speaker 4: I think at least Benton canateen a.

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Speaker 3: Couple other good young quarnerbacks on your roster. Joey Porter,

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Speaker 3: Beanie Bishops kind of slid into the nickel for you.

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Speaker 3: How big of a role do those guys play in

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Speaker 3: your past game? How do they use them huge?

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Speaker 4: If you think about it, Porter almost never comes off

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Speaker 4: the field. Dante Jackson has been great coming over from Carolina.

543
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Speaker 4: Like that was the trade that cost all the Dominoes

544
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Speaker 4: to fall, which is why anytime a trade candidate comes

545
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Speaker 4: up at wide receiver, the Steelers at the top of

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Speaker 4: the list because they don't have another guy besides Pickings.

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Speaker 4: Because they traded Deontay Johnson for Dante Jackson, and it

548
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Speaker 4: was a little bit of a dubious move at the

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Speaker 4: time because there was a little talk that the Panthers

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Speaker 4: are just gonna cut Dante Jackson. Anyway, why did you

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Speaker 4: have to give up Deontay Johnson unless they felt like

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Speaker 4: he was gonna be poisonous in the locker room and

553
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Speaker 4: couldn't get along with Pickings or whoever the quarterback DuJour

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Speaker 4: was gonna be. So it might have been kind of

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Speaker 4: an addition by subtraction the thing to a degree there,

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Speaker 4: But I don't know. I always thought Deontay Johnson was

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Speaker 4: a little bit better than that. And I have been

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Speaker 4: pleasantly surprised how good Dante Jackson has been. He's got

559
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Speaker 4: a couple of picks. He does still look fast. He

560
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Speaker 4: is such an upgrade over whatever they were trying on

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Speaker 4: a week to week basis. At the corner opposite Porter,

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Speaker 4: Porter's really steady, he can follow, he doesn't have to

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Speaker 4: follow the best receiver. He's done both this year. They

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Speaker 4: didn't get around to addressing the slot corner position. I

565
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Speaker 4: think they've always liked Beanie Bishop. They talked to him,

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Speaker 4: they interviewed him from West Virginia. I think they knew

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Speaker 4: he was gonna be a late second day guy, and

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Speaker 4: when he was still there and still falling, they were

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Speaker 4: always going to try to make him a preferred free

570
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Speaker 4: agent signing, so they went out and got him there.

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Speaker 4: He's not quite Mike Hilton. He's not like the cause

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Speaker 4: chaos of the line of scrimmage guy. They actually have

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Speaker 4: Deshaun Elliott doing some of that when it's more in

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Speaker 4: pure run situations. But he's been good. He had a

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Speaker 4: really rough game against it think it was the Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: Porter kind of struggled against the Colts. Beanie kind of

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Speaker 4: struggled against the Cowboys. Aside from that, those two have

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Speaker 4: been quite good.

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Speaker 1: And then finally, is this the best safety commination in

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Speaker 1: the league? Do you think? I mean, micka is unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: You guys have nine interceptions, he forced a ton of turnovers.

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Speaker 3: I think what second in the NFL and in turnover

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Speaker 3: ratio right now? Is Mica as good as advertised?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but the turnovers aren't coming from Mica. That's the thing. Like,

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Speaker 4: that's the surprise part of it. He doesn't He hasn't

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Speaker 4: gotten a lot of them. But Deshaun Elliott has been

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Speaker 4: much better than I thought. I thought Elliott was just

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Speaker 4: going to be maybe a more athletic version, bigger version

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Speaker 4: of KZ. He's better than that. He's been good. He

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Speaker 4: has really been noticeably good, especially in the middle third

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Speaker 4: of the defense, and Minka is doing a real good

592
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Speaker 4: job taking away the back third of the defense, like

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Speaker 4: the center field area, to let other people do their thing.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, they are causing chaos. The turnovers are coming

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Speaker 4: from different places, and you know they've carried that over

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Speaker 4: to the kickblock department too. Those kind of feel like

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Speaker 4: turnovers and they're blocking kicks and they're really really good

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Speaker 4: on special teams this year. So there's a lot going

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Speaker 4: right for the Steelers. The offense is caught up, and

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Speaker 4: I think that's the big thing that you've seen the

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Speaker 4: last two weeks, which is why it's feeling pretty good here. Man,

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Speaker 4: if you told me that they had the opportunity to

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Speaker 4: go to six and two, if they beat the Giants,

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Speaker 4: somebody at football and they go to six and two,

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Speaker 4: that is exactly where they should be, could could have

606
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Speaker 4: been in need to be for this slog of a

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Speaker 4: back half. The schedule they got, They've got all their

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Speaker 4: division games. They've got the Commanders, they got the Chiefs

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Speaker 4: on Christmas Day, and they've got the Philadelphia Eagles. So

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Speaker 4: this is a really tough last nine games that they

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Speaker 4: got to go through to get to the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: And this still was unfortunately didn't get a chance to

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Speaker 3: play the Browns with Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 1: So it's probably gonna be tougher.

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Speaker 4: Whomever is ayquartronically, yes, yeah, whoever they put in now

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Speaker 4: is the new quarterback might make it harder on them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And the Bengals always played better second half of

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Speaker 3: the year too, so that's that's certainly gonna be tough.

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Speaker 1: Tim have a great broadcast Monday night. Man, We appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Now we go to the head coach of the NYG

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Speaker 3: with the Voice of the NYG Bob pop up with

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Speaker 3: Brian Dable.

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Speaker 6: Heavn's always were joined by the head coach of the

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Speaker 6: New York Giants, Brian David. Where tonight the Giants take

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Speaker 6: on the Pittsburgh Steelers and coach Pittsburgh played a primetime

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Speaker 6: game on Sunday night.

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Speaker 7: And it's a.

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Speaker 6: Pretty rough atmosphere when you get down to that confluence.

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Speaker 7: They love that football team.

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Speaker 6: What are some of the challenges in dealing with playing them,

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Speaker 6: especially in their building.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a great football environment. Fans are loud, they

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Speaker 8: have the terrible towels out, they have their their culture

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Speaker 8: there in terms of you know, their songs they play

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Speaker 8: when they play them, how they hype the crowd, and

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Speaker 8: you know, all that is, you know, a challenging part

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Speaker 8: of it, But the most challenging part of the game

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Speaker 8: is playing the Pittsburgh Steelers. They're a tough, physical football

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Speaker 8: team in all three phases, as they have been for

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Speaker 8: a long time. And you know, you can see last

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Speaker 8: week how the game kind of unfolded against the Jets.

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Speaker 8: You know what, they hang their hat on and made

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Speaker 8: some really good plays at critical times. They're a very

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Speaker 8: tough defense. They've been that way for a long time,

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Speaker 8: and you know, offensively, they put some points on the

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Speaker 8: board and made some big plays to pickings, and we're

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Speaker 8: able to run the ball and.

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Speaker 5: It's a tough environment and more importantly a tough team.

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Speaker 2: Ya.

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Speaker 6: I want to ask about Naja Harris because obviously they

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Speaker 6: put Russell Wilson in. They were able to hit some

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Speaker 6: shots down field, but he had over one hundred yards

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Speaker 6: rushing as a player. I know you're familiar with what

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Speaker 6: makes him such a good back in this league.

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Speaker 8: Well, he's big, he's strong, and he's physical and he

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Speaker 8: runs with purpose.

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Speaker 5: He gets his.

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Speaker 8: Pads down, He'll run over guys and he'll jump over

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Speaker 8: guys at times.

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Speaker 5: You know, he's a hard guy to bring down.

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Speaker 8: And I'd say his his play style, his demeanor that

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Speaker 8: he plays with being able to run through players, search contact,

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Speaker 8: contact balance.

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Speaker 5: He's he's a Pittsburgh still run and back.

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Speaker 6: Coach, did you get a sense of some edginus out

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Speaker 6: of your team this week in the sense that, look,

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Speaker 6: the run defense wasn't what it had been. Uh last

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Speaker 6: week against Philadelphia. I know you guys pride yourself on

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Speaker 6: being able to close that run down and and last

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Speaker 6: week there was some big explosives against you did the

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Speaker 6: guys take that kind of personally a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's always a key for us.

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Speaker 8: And I'd say there, you know, their mindset, their their

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Speaker 8: practice habits are are consistent.

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Speaker 5: You know, we got to make sure we're doing a

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Speaker 5: good job tackling in an.

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Speaker 8: Open field and set in edges and building walls, and

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Speaker 8: you know, it's something that we we practice every week.

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Speaker 8: That's important to us. We you know, we had good

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Speaker 8: days of practice. You know, had a a big padded

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Speaker 8: practice like we do every week to try to get

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Speaker 8: ready for this football game.

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Speaker 6: On the other side of the ball, coach, obviously, you

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Speaker 6: weren't able to get your run game going the way

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Speaker 6: you would have liked. You had to play your first

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Speaker 6: game without Andrew Thomas. And I don't care what anybody says,

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Speaker 6: when you lose a player of that quality, there is

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Speaker 6: an adjustment period. Do you think things have settled down

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Speaker 6: a little bit with your team now as far as

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Speaker 6: understanding roles and here's what we have to do in

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Speaker 6: order to function more efficiently as a group up front?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I think, Look, we understand we understand that,

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Speaker 8: we understood it.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's the.

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Speaker 8: Next man out mentality and you always do things, whether

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Speaker 8: it's schematically, formationally to help that out, and we got

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Speaker 8: to do a good job with that. They have some

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Speaker 8: rush on the quarterback, but we're all tied in together

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Speaker 8: with it, whether it's the routes, the timing of the play,

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Speaker 8: the timing of the drop where there are certain you know,

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Speaker 8: negative plays that you know we're on the offensive line, absolutely,

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Speaker 8: but it was a it was a collective deal and

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Speaker 8: you know we're working at it. You know, we're going

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Speaker 8: to do the things we think are necessary to help

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Speaker 8: that out and hope for better results.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, got to deal with not one, but two outstanding

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Speaker 6: defensive guys on their front. And I don't even want

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Speaker 6: to just single out those two guys, but bott and

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Speaker 6: Hayward are two guys that can wreck a game individually,

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Speaker 6: let alone combined.

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Speaker 7: How do you deal with those two guys.

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Speaker 5: It's hard. It's been hard for a long time when

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Speaker 5: teams playing. That's why, you.

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Speaker 8: Know, leading into the fourth quarter of games this year,

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Speaker 8: they've given up an average of nine points their defense.

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Speaker 8: And obviously it starts with those two guys up front.

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Speaker 8: But you know, with Queen with Roberts, who is a

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Speaker 8: tough inside linebacker with Maka back there in the back end.

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Speaker 8: And then you add the other side of it, high Smith,

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Speaker 8: who you know he plays alongside Watt, but you just

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Speaker 8: watch high Smith. He's a major problem in and of itself.

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Speaker 8: So you can't you can't help everybody when you're passing

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Speaker 8: the ball or running the ball. There's you know, certain

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Speaker 8: times you can double team or help out a particular position,

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Speaker 8: but you can't doubleble team against you can't double team

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Speaker 8: everybody against this team. And that's what makes a challenging.

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Speaker 8: You know, there's not a I wouldn't say there's a

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Speaker 8: high volume of pressure. They do a great job of

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Speaker 8: coordinating their their front with their back end. And when

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Speaker 8: you have I would say four or five guys that

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Speaker 8: play like they do up front, just to get any

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Speaker 8: play going is that's where it starts. That's the start

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Speaker 8: of the game, is the battle of the trenches. So

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Speaker 8: it's why they've been good for a long time. But

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Speaker 8: those two players that you mentioned, Bob are are two

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Speaker 8: of the better players in our in our league, and

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Speaker 8: they have been for a while.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and Patrick Queen's seems to be a nice fit too,

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Speaker 6: coming over from the Baltimore Ravens kind of fitting into

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Speaker 6: just what they want to do and just adding another

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Speaker 6: athletic body who brings brings the heat.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Again, you know you look at Queen, you look

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Speaker 5: at Roberts.

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Speaker 8: You know, Wilson comes in at times a rookie that's

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Speaker 8: an athletic, fast linebacker. And then again why on the

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Speaker 8: outside High Smith on the outside. You know, Herbert has

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Speaker 8: been injured, but when he comes like he's an athletic

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Speaker 8: guy that you know, it seems like that.

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Speaker 5: You know, they have a very.

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Speaker 8: Good formula for how they build their their defense. It's

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Speaker 8: you know, it's not exactly the same. But again, I've

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Speaker 8: been in that stadium and played this team a lot,

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Speaker 8: just it seems like it's never stopped relative to the

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Speaker 8: defense and the style and the type of player that

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Speaker 8: they have.

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Speaker 6: Just in wrapping it up here, coach, I want to

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Speaker 6: circle back to Dexter Lawrence and kind of what he's

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Speaker 6: been able to do so far this year. And that's

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Speaker 6: not taken away from you know, Brian Burns has been

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Speaker 6: fantastic and you know, being disruptive, and a lot of

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Speaker 6: guys have played well for you, but what Dexter's done

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Speaker 6: this year is pretty amazing.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's he's like I said before, he's you know,

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Speaker 8: one of the better players in our league. He's a

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Speaker 8: great person, he's a great teammate, he's a great leader.

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Speaker 8: You know, there's only so many dexter Lawrence's in this

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Speaker 8: leag league and I'm happy he's on our team. Fortunate

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Speaker 8: he's you know, he's doing everything he can do each

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Speaker 8: week as our as are.

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Speaker 5: All our guys.

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Speaker 8: But he's doing everything he can do each week to

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Speaker 8: go out there and you know, be the best version

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Speaker 8: of himself for our team. And we need him to

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Speaker 8: be because he's he's one hell of a player.

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Speaker 7: Coach, best of lutt and we'll do it again next week.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Pop.

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Speaker 7: That's the head coach of the New York Giants, Brian Dable.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for being with us in this episode of The

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Speaker 3: Giants Little Podcast, brought to you by Citizens Official Bank

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Speaker 3: of the Giants. I am John Schmelk. Thank you to

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Speaker 3: Tim Benz, Brian Dable, Bob Papa, and Brian Burns for

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Speaker 3: joining us on this episode. Guys, enjoy your weekend. You

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Speaker 3: get Saturday and Sunday without Giants football and then Monday

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Speaker 3: night National Stage giants and steelers should be a lot

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Speaker 3: of fun.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait. We'll talk then