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Speaker 1: And welcome back to is this a great game or

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Speaker 1: what with the Hall of Famer Tim Kirkshin. I'm his son,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Kirchen and our guest today, PGA Tour golfer Will Zalatorus.

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Speaker 1: I slid into his DM's dad that means direct messages

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Speaker 1: and that's how we got him on the podcast. I

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Speaker 1: finally booked a guest for the show. Will welcome my friend.

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Speaker 2: Always, brother always. This was I know, it's funny having

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Speaker 2: a golfer on a baseball podcast, but it's easy when

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Speaker 2: I've been watching your dad literally since I was out

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Speaker 2: of the womb, covering baseball, and my dad and I

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Speaker 2: love baseball together. We've had a lot of great memories

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Speaker 2: together at baseball games, especially at Oracle Park. Being from

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Speaker 2: the Bay Area, so you two doing this together. It

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Speaker 2: was I don't do a lot of podcasts, so when

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Speaker 2: I got when you tech when you messaged me, I

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Speaker 2: was kind of like, yeah, why not? That sounds like fun? Well, well,

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Speaker 2: I just can't wait for all the golf podcasts now

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Speaker 2: to be like, why can't we get him on? But

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Speaker 2: he's on a baseball park.

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Speaker 1: Well listen, Will, I mean, you've listened to the show

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Speaker 1: before Dad, you can say sporting wise, percentages were like

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Speaker 1: sixty percent baseball, twenty thirty percent golf, ten percent basketball.

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Speaker 2: So it's like a large well and we're all golfers

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: Right, That's true, just not as good as well. So

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Speaker 1: when I messaged well, Dad, and you have no idea

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Speaker 1: this is happening. So when I messaged well casually, you know,

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Speaker 1: he likes a lot of our stuff on social I said,

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Speaker 1: do you want to join?

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Speaker 3: He said absolutely?

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Speaker 1: And I have a story I want to share about

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Speaker 1: your dad and an experience you had with my dad.

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Speaker 1: Will I'm just gonna I'm gonna let you take it away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was thirteen or fourteen years old. I

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Speaker 2: was playing in an AGGA event somewhere over in Phoenix,

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Speaker 2: same time as spring training is going on. Obviously massive

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Speaker 2: baseball fan, you know, diehard Giants fan, and my dad

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Speaker 2: and I were just sitting there. It was after the round,

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Speaker 2: was long and hot day, and I looked over and

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Speaker 2: you were sitting there with somebody else. I don't remember

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Speaker 2: who it was, but I remember looking at my dad saying, Daw,

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Speaker 2: that's Kim Kirkchen. And he's like Okay, that's nice, but like, well,

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Speaker 2: just leave alone. And so what I do is I

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Speaker 2: take my phone and I'm sitting over on the side

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Speaker 2: of the table and I like try to take this

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Speaker 2: I do this, like trying to snipe this photo, I

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Speaker 2: dropped the phone. I make a mess, like just my

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Speaker 2: heart's sinking through my chest because you immediately look over

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Speaker 2: it to me and you see this mess and you

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Speaker 2: see this kid, and I'm just sitting here covering my

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Speaker 2: face like this, like I hope you didn't see that.

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Speaker 2: And I look over at you and You've got that

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Speaker 2: same exact laugh going. And I just will never forget

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Speaker 2: that to this day because I'm like, yeah, Tim Kirkton

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Speaker 2: taught me cell phone etiquette around celebrities even though he

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Speaker 1: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's so all these years later, I was literally

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Speaker 2: like I want to say, I was thirteen or fourteen,

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Speaker 2: but it was just a random pf chains and I'll

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Well I'm sixty nine years old, not

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Speaker 3: ninety three, by the way, and I'm dropping my cell

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Speaker 3: phone all over the place anyway, I make a fool

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Speaker 3: skills and all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: But I didn't want you to see it because I

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Speaker 2: was so excited too. And then all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: you just start laughing at this putts on the you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, like, well, and now will you know you've

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Speaker 1: experienced celebrity of your own and now you've got this

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Speaker 1: sympathy for probably kids who are twelve thirteen going that's

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Speaker 1: will salatary, and you know it's all good. I would

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Speaker 1: see you a couple of years ago and people dropping

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Speaker 2: Pictures of men. I tell all the kids that Tim

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Speaker 2: Kirchten is definitely the guy you need to talk to about,

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Speaker 2: you know, cell phone etiquette so.

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Speaker 3: Well, Look, I love talking to kids. I have two myself,

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Speaker 3: I have five grandchildren, and there is nothing that makes

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Speaker 3: I'm in no matter what, I think, it's so good

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Speaker 3: never ever miss an opportunity to talk to a kid.

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Speaker 3: So the next time this happens, all right, instead of

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Speaker 3: and talk to me, because that's what I really enjoy

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Speaker 3: when it doesn't matter where I am.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I know, trust me, if you didn't like talking baseball,

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Speaker 2: I think you probably would have would have needed to

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Speaker 2: find a new profession. So it was, but it was

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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, we'll get to baseball in a minute here,

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Speaker 3: But you are a PGA tour player and we just

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Speaker 3: finished the US Open at Shinnecock. So just follow me

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Speaker 3: on this ridiculous hypothetical question that I've asked way too

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Speaker 3: many people. Okay, you take the eighteen to twenty handicap,

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Speaker 3: who's playing bogie golf at his fifty eight hundred yard

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Speaker 3: moving the ball in the rough, he's not taking more

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Speaker 3: than a triple. He doesn't know any of the rules.

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Speaker 3: We take that guy. And I'm not trying to hurt

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Speaker 3: anybody's feelings here because I'm talking about my son here.

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Speaker 3: He's like an eighteen twenty. Right.

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Speaker 1: We know the rules.

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Speaker 3: We don't follow all the rules.

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Speaker 1: We know you're not supposed to see it up in

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Speaker 1: the rough a little bit to give yourself a better.

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Speaker 2: Lie, make golf fun, make thank you.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Yes, all right? So will we take

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Speaker 3: that guy? So you know who that guy is, and

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Speaker 3: we drop him onto the eighteenth at Shinnacock. And he's

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Speaker 3: playing with Scotty. He's playing in the final threesome and

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Speaker 3: he's the third guy with his game. He is playing

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Speaker 3: eighteen holes at Shinnacock on Sunday on television and Scotty.

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Speaker 4: Is sitting right next to him, is playing right rot

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Speaker 4: to him, big crowd right television. And the only rule

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Speaker 3: He's got to follow every rule he's got to put out.

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Speaker 3: He has to play every rule. Now, I know what

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Speaker 3: I think. That guy who's gonna be cheating a break

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Speaker 3: he's playing on television and the greatest player in the

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Speaker 3: game is playing right next to you. I have a number.

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Speaker 3: I'm fascinated to see what your number is.

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Speaker 2: So you have multiple things going on here. If you

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Speaker 2: have Scotti Scheffler trying to win a Grand Slam. You

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Speaker 2: have Wyndham Clark with a six shot lead. You have

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Speaker 2: Long Island fans chirping you left and right, you know,

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Speaker 2: trying to get under your skin. You have fifteen million

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Speaker 2: leaked at Shinnecock Hills, Leecher, it's a par three one

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Speaker 2: that's a rattling effort. But then on top of that,

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Speaker 2: that's another rattling effort. So now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: what's around the greens. So like, in my opinion, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what ends up happening, but I gotta

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Speaker 2: there's just gonna be a lot of double digits, right.

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Speaker 3: I think you're being exceptionally kind here, will because my

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Speaker 3: first guest was one eighty. Okay, one, somebody's he's gonna

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Speaker 3: make a twenty on a hole. He's never putted greens

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Speaker 3: he's never been in sand like that. So I started

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Speaker 3: to Ed Farmer, former major league player, who was also

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Speaker 3: I got a bet halfway through, Okay, this is the

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Speaker 3: what's he gonna shoot? And Ed interrupted me and said,

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Speaker 3: two hundred. He's gonna shoot two one hundred. Yeah, because

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Speaker 3: I will you.

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Speaker 1: You said they're gonna get it, actual they're gonna get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Because there's gonna be a time where all of

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Speaker 2: you're playing with your guys at home, and they just go,

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Speaker 2: I hit another one. But then they have to play

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Speaker 2: a five hundred and ninety yard par five out of

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Speaker 2: two foot long hay, and they've got they had five

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Speaker 2: ninety to start and they have five eighty five to go.

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Speaker 2: So you're kind of not wrong.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's a twenty twenty right there. He'll be too

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Speaker 3: exhausted to even finish, and he will he will lose. Well,

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Speaker 3: he'll have a caddy but not knowing the rules of

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Speaker 3: the game, and there are so many obtuse rules in golf,

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Speaker 3: and that's a good thing. He would have three rule violations,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure in one round.

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Speaker 2: Well, the semantics on top of that is you're only

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Speaker 2: giving a certain amount of time to hit shots and

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Speaker 2: do things. So the reality is that probably by the

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Speaker 2: something and have a little chat. You know, Well, that

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Speaker 2: is true because actually I should go higher because when

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Speaker 2: I played at Shinnecock Hills in twenty eighteen, I did

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Speaker 2: play with the guy who did shoot over ninety in

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Speaker 3: So you played with it to take that pro that

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Speaker 3: shot over ninety? Is that right?

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Speaker 2: He was, Yeah, he had a rist issue and he

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Speaker 2: just wouldn't. I don't blame you. I mean, hey, he

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Speaker 2: I will never forget is watching Gavin hit BP indoors

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Speaker 2: and seeing like a ninety mile an hour fastball, and

434
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Speaker 2: I just like sit up there and like stood next

435
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 2: to it, and I was just like, Nope, don't have that.

436
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: Can't hit that. And like ball needs to be on

437
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 2: the ground, it needs to be you know, not moving that.

438
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 2: I can't hit that. Now we're talking about three thousand

439
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 2: RPMs of rotation on a curve ball whatever. Definitely can't

440
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Speaker 2: hit that. So it's it's fun. And the other part

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Speaker 2: i'd say too, it's like, you know, like you've mentioned

442
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Speaker 2: a lot of baseball players are really good golfers. Baseball

443
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 2: players hit it a mile typically doesn't matter if they're

444
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: pitching or hitting. They just hit it a freaking mile

445
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 2: because they're so rotational. And then the thing I would

446
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Speaker 2: say is because hockey players are so good with their hands.

447
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: They're always good chippers and putters, and so it's kind

448
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 2: of the fun dynamic. And especially at some of the

449
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Speaker 2: places I play at in Dallas, like you know, Dallas National,

450
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Speaker 2: We've got some hockey guys over here. Some of the

451
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Speaker 2: baseball guys around town play a little bit, and it's

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Speaker 2: like all the baseball guys carry it like three fifteen

453
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Speaker 2: to three twenty five. They just you know, sometimes don't

454
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Speaker 2: know where it's going. And then the other part of that, though,

455
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 2: is that it's like the hockey guys like Joe Pavelski

456
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Speaker 2: is a great friend of mine, and he's literally got

457
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Speaker 2: one of the greatest short games I've ever seen for

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Speaker 2: a professional athlete, strictly because he's so good with his hands,

459
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Speaker 2: and he was so good with practicing, you know, stick stuff.

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Speaker 2: And he told me the story about how like when

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Speaker 2: he broke his foot, he kicked his foot up and

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Speaker 2: he took a tennis ball with they with his hockey stick,

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Speaker 2: and he started bouncing it up against the wall one

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Speaker 2: way and then started going the other way, and then

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Speaker 2: he started going both ways with it. And then next

466
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Speaker 2: thing you know, he comes out to practice. And he

467
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Speaker 2: was always known as a phenomenal tipper, you know, like

468
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Speaker 2: tipping pucks. You know, guy would slapshot it and then

469
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Speaker 2: he would redirect the puck and it would go in.

470
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Speaker 2: And he said it was like a superpower for him

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Speaker 2: of where he got it. But the differences with that

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Speaker 2: But my favorite part I would say about all the

499
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Speaker 2: baseball players playing golf was I grew up at California

500
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Speaker 2: Golf Club in the Bay Area, and whenever I was

501
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Speaker 2: really young, we had Maddox, Lavin and Smoltz playing on

502
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Speaker 2: an off day and that was about as good as

503
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Speaker 2: that was as good as it ever got. I mean,

504
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 2: the worst score in the group would be like seventy six,

505
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: like they were so good, Like worst handicaps like a

506
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Speaker 2: one or at two, like, oh, I played like hell today,

507
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 2: I made three birdies and you're just like your mid season,

508
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: like you've pitched twenty times this year and you're complaining

509
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 2: about making three birdies and you haven't played in two

510
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: weeks like so. So those guys, we were really fun

511
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: to come around and at Cal whenever they were you know,

512
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: there was a lot of basall players, a lot of

513
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: athletes the Cal club now, which is a lot of

514
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: fun for me, and it's not so much to you know,

515
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: you know, jocksniff per se, but also to just talk

516
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: about you know what they're doing. You know, how they

517
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: go about their business, you know, like Gavin when he

518
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: came in to play the Rangers and the random you know,

519
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: the one time every so often that they're able to

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00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: come down here. And you know, Gavin and I were

521
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: talking about each other's processes, and you know, Manny Machado's

522
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: process and that's fun, Like that's really really cool because

523
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Speaker 2: there's so many different ways to do it. But long

524
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 2: story short, baseball guys they all hit it a freaking mile.

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Speaker 2: Like I don't know a single baseball player who doesn't

526
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Speaker 2: who hits it short. And if they do, that probably

527
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: would be something to it would be like, you know,

528
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Speaker 2: some guy who's hitting batting three fifteen and he's got

529
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Speaker 2: two home runs at the end of the season. That's

530
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Speaker 2: the only guy I can possibly see hitting it short,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 3: But will I covered Gavin Sheets's dad, Larry Sheets, Warriors

533
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 3: in the eighties. That's how far I go back. But

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Speaker 3: I recently saw Gavin and he was telling me about

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Speaker 3: his golf game and I just jokingly said, I didn't joke,

536
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Speaker 3: but I said, so, what are you would too? And

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00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: he looks at me and he goes, no, I'm a scratch,

538
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: and then he went out and played some ridiculous course

539
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Speaker 3: in Baltimore on and off day and shot seventy three.

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Speaker 3: So again I understand, I understand Will that distance is

541
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Speaker 3: not what we're here for. Putting the ball in the

542
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 3: hole is the most important thing. But can can Gavin

543
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Speaker 3: Sheets hit it farther than you can hit it?

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Speaker 2: If Gavin, if I got him the proper mechanic and

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Speaker 2: I know that that's a very he was probably rolling

546
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Speaker 2: his eyes at the words proper mechanics, as I said,

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Speaker 2: but I would probably say, like if I got him

548
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Speaker 2: to try to, like really do the golf move, like

549
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Speaker 2: kind of get rid of a little bit of the

550
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Speaker 2: bait folly, he probably hits it about ten yards farther

551
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: than me. But the difference is is that I can

552
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Speaker 2: hit it on a string. And like I took him

553
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Speaker 2: out to Merito on his off day and he played awesome.

554
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: I think he was in the mid seventies out there,

555
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: which Merito as if any Texas ranger Dallas guy can

556
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: attest like it's basically a Southern version of Shinnecock Hills,

557
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: like it is just if you're hit two good golf

558
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Speaker 2: shots as a PGA Tour Pro and you're gonna walk

559
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: off with Bogey sometimes and like that's that's a fun

560
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: thing for us. But like Gavin just midyear, like he

561
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: absolutely could hit it, probably ten yards by me. But

562
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Speaker 2: the different, like, the difference definitely is just the iron

563
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Speaker 2: play good. He's a plus one. He's a plus one.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he's He's also sixty pounds heavier than you.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Stacy try like freaking ninety. Yeah, I'm not getting

566
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: in a fight with him. I know better. He's on

567
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: my side. Like, look, I'm a Giants fan. He's on

568
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Speaker 2: the Padres, but I didn't wear any Giants when I

569
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: went to go see him. I'm team Gavin, and I

570
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: do not want Gavin on the other team. But he

571
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: it was pretty good. He walked out, he had had

572
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: us come out on the field, and he walked out

573
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Speaker 2: with the San Diego Padres T shirt and on the

574
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: inside of it it had a little emblement said Happy's

575
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 2: Caddy on it. And Max Max Holma and I are

576
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: obviously massive baseball fans, Max being a massive Dodgers fan,

577
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: me being a Giants fan. There's obviously a lot of

578
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: smack talk that goes on on tour. You know the

579
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Speaker 2: other part that I would say is that I sent him.

580
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Speaker 2: I sent Max a photo of the San Diego Padres

581
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: T shirt, and I he was already giving me smack

582
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: because he was like, are you just going ahead and

583
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: just like fangirling every team in the MLB, like who's

584
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: it going to be next year? Like how could you

585
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: have a Padres T shirt? Being a Giants fan? Just

586
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 2: ripping me to pieces. And so I finally was just like,

587
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: can we just meet in the middle and start a

588
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: bonfire with his T shirt or something like? Like you know,

589
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: but we we always we love chirping each other, Like

590
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: that's the thing is that a lot of us love baseball,

591
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: and you know, Max and I especially, we were chirping

592
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: left and right. Like I've already told him. I'm like, look,

593
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: don't confuse my love for the Giants and the hatred

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00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: for your team, Like those are two very separate things.

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Speaker 2: But I'm very good at both, you know, so well.

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Speaker 1: We always Yeah, you mentioned you mentioned Happy's Caddy. I

597
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: was pleasantly surprised to see you in Happy Gilmore too.

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Speaker 1: My dad has shared the story in which he played

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Speaker 1: Adam Sandler in basketball, which would it's a story for

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Speaker 1: another podcast because it's hilarious and hysterical and to this

601
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: day it's one of my dad's favorite stories.

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00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 3: But you played you were.

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Speaker 1: Acting in this movie and you played the grown up

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Speaker 1: version of the caddy that Happy choked out in Happy,

605
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: the first Happy Gilmour movie.

606
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Speaker 3: And who approached.

607
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: You about this role?

608
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: Were you nervous about acting?

609
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: Because I know as a professional athlete that we hear

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00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: this all the time from our guests if they're out

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Speaker 1: of their comfort zone. Sometimes they're like, I mean, I

612
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Speaker 1: want to do it, but it's not where I start.

613
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: This is not what I'm doing. Was it an automatic guest?

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Speaker 1: Did you have to think about it? How did this

615
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Speaker 1: come about?

616
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: Well?

617
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: So, the thing that was really funny about it. So

618
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen, I won this college showcase that got

619
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Speaker 2: me into the LA Open. It was my first PGA

620
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Speaker 2: tour start, first PGA tour start. I was a freshman

621
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Speaker 2: in college. I hadn't gotten a haircut in like six months,

622
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Speaker 2: because you know, freshman in college are going to be freshmen.

623
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Speaker 2: And I had really long, flowing, you know, blonde hair,

624
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Speaker 2: and a couple guys or a golf channel posted it

625
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: and a couple of people were like, man, this guy

626
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Speaker 2: looks like Gilmore's caddie, and that was the first time

627
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: I'd ever heard of it. And then all of a sudden,

628
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Speaker 2: you fast forward six years later and I almost win

629
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: the mask or is losing by one to Hideki, and

630
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: Adam is tweeting me, you know, like go make Happy

631
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Speaker 2: proud and you know, all this stuff, and I couldn't.

632
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: It was crazy because I it. The other part that

633
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: I would say that was really crazy about that time

634
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: for me is because after Hideki won, he went back

635
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: to Japan as any you know, anybody should in his situation,

636
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: as he should to go celebrate, you know, with his nation,

637
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: and which left kind of a media void here, and

638
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: so I got some serious requests to go on like

639
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: the Today Show and blah blah blah, and they're asked,

640
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: you know, being asked all these questions of like, man,

641
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: you know happy Gilmore, you know Happy Gilmore two? Do

642
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: you think you want to play it? And I'm like,

643
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've never even taken a drama class before.

644
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: I have no idea what to do. Ah, And so

645
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Speaker 2: they basically the part that was great about it was

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Speaker 2: the week before I got the call that they wanted

647
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: me to play Happy Gilmore too. I had cut my

648
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: hair because it was really long, and they were like, hey,

649
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: do you still have the long hair? And I'm like

650
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: I don't. But they're like that's fine, Like you're you're

651
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: gonna be more like you're a grown up anyways, Like

652
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: this is thirty years later. So I'm like, okay, So

653
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: wait a minute. The kid who is he's a Now

654
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: he's now a sixty year old like biology professor in

655
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 2: upstate New York. Because obviously I people have told me

656
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: he was. I believe he was like twenty at the

657
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: time that the movie came out, and so now he's,

658
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 2: you know, mid fifties. But the part that I laugh

659
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,479
Speaker 2: at is that I have to play him the movie

660
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: came out thirty years ago and I'm twenty nine, but

661
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: I have to play him grown up. So there was

662
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: a little part of me where I'm like, all right,

663
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, like I'll try to figure this out.

664
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: But the Kyle Knuitchek was our director, and he was

665
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: Carl the rug dealer in Workaholics, and me being a

666
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: degenerate high schooler at one point that really can that

667
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: really attributed to my juvenile delinquency. So having Kyle and

668
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: having Adam as basically the two guys that were explaining

669
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: to me, like like, look, you are going to be

670
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: the only pro that is going to dislike Adam, Like

671
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: you are going to anything he says, you need to

672
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: dislike it, like pretend that anything every word that comes

673
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: out of this guy's mouth you just absolutely can't stand it.

674
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, that's pretty easy. I think

675
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: I could do that. I know some people like that,

676
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: so but so as you can kind of tell with

677
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: my personality it was it was a lot of fun

678
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: to kind of riff. And I will say, Adam Sandler

679
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 2: ad libbing in front of you, like the locker room

680
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: scene that I have, he came up with about seven

681
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: or eight different lines just right off the bat. And

682
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: I'm not an actor, I'm not a comedian, I'm none

683
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 2: of that stuff. But standing across Adam Sandler and trying

684
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: not to laugh at him ad libbing stuff while he's

685
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: looking at me was probably the toughest thing I've had

686
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: to do in my life because some of it was

687
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: so funny, and he would do these things where like

688
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: he's trying to get me in a mad state, like

689
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: as right before we're about to go on, and he

690
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: would just be like, ah, Blondie, your whole family hates you.

691
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: Nobody likes he's a single person. They'd rather get ready.

692
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: And I'm like sitting there trying not to laugh, and

693
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: we're about you. You're like and actually, and I'm like

694
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: this the whole time, like trying not to laugh, and

695
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, so it was. It was great. I Mean,

696
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: the only other funny one was when I look around

697
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 2: the corner in the locker room. I was like, in

698
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: this like half locker, my face was buried in it,

699
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: and he's supposed to come over and say hi and

700
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 2: or come up to me like he recognized me or whatever.

701
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: And there was like some extras on the set or

702
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: whatever that I could only see and they were all

703
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: on their phone. So I just thought it was like

704
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: some sort of rehearsal or I'm not an actor. I

705
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: don't know what the hell I'm doing. And so there

706
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: had been a couple of times where some of us

707
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: as jokes like throughout the movie as we're filming, where

708
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: like we would randomly just give the other guy the

709
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: bird just out of nowhere, just to keep it loose

710
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: and keep it fun. And so the best part I

711
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: got it was that I thought I was going to

712
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: give the double barrel shotgun to Colin Morikawa, but right

713
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: when I turned outside of my locker, there's Adam Sandler

714
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 2: like five feet from me, and I'm just giving him

715
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: the double bird right to his face. And I'm like,

716
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, shoot, this was the fun six days.

717
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: I think I'm going home now. But so we had

718
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: like we had so much fun. It was. It was

719
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: so cool. I mean, there's the scene with the snake.

720
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: They had me running it like six times because I

721
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: knew that I went to per Se the night before

722
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 2: and had to blow out dinner. So they were like, yeah,

723
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna have you run like sixty yard sprints. It

724
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: might take us like six or seven tries to get

725
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: it right. And I'm just sitting there, like I just

726
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: had a four hour, fifteen course French meal that got

727
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: set up by Adam. I don't want to run, yeah,

728
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 2: I don't want to run even a little bit. Like

729
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 2: I said, it's just some of the stuff off script,

730
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: And it was a blast. It was so much fun.

731
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 3: Let's get back to baseball for a minute. Will you

732
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: grew up a Giants fan and you were born in

733
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six, so you were like four years old

734
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: when Barry Bonds had seventy three home runs? Who was

735
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: your guy? Growing up on the Giants? When you would

736
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: watch them, you would say, I want to be that guy.

737
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 2: I mean watching Barry hit home runs was amazing. Watching

738
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: Mike Schmidt pitch, I actually would say JT Snow. And

739
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: the reason why I say that is because he had

740
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: the locker in the back of my ads at cal

741
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: And when I was a kid. I you know, like

742
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: any kid, you get start ripping packs of cards open,

743
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: and I had like every Giants roster for like eight

744
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: years that I you know, of all the cards every

745
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: single year, every relief pitcher, you can possibly think of,

746
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: Russ Orties, you know, all those guys like Levon Hernandez,

747
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: like it was a blast. But I just remember my

748
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: dad stuck that card in his locker and he signed

749
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: it and I was like four or five, and I

750
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: was just I've been a massive JT fan ever since,

751
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: so I would say, like, growing up, that's who I

752
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: wanted to be. But I mean, I watching Barry hit

753
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: home runs and being in the Bay Area and going

754
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: to Oracle Park as a kid was so so fun.

755
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: And I'll tell one quick story about OH two. So

756
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: I was that the I think it was Game seven, yeah,

757
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: because it was the whatever the final game was of

758
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: the series when the Giants beat the Cardinals. But I

759
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: was just through the math that was basically six and

760
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 2: we get to the eighth inning. It's a tight ball

761
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 2: game and all of a sudden, I have a meltdown.

762
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: I want to go home. I'm tired. I throw a

763
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: little hasy fit as a six year old, and my

764
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: dad is like, just shut up, and you know, we

765
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: got two innings left to watch the Giants possibly go

766
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: to the World Series. This is what you wanted to

767
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 2: watch your whole life. And I'm like, I want to

768
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: call mom. I want to go home. So we're you know,

769
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 2: Kenny Lofton, you know all that stuff at the end,

770
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: and we're just on a bark train going home. And

771
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: my dad has never let me live that down. And

772
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 2: and so like in O two when they lost, I

773
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: cried like a baby. And then the other part of

774
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: it that was cool was when they won in twenty ten.

775
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: I was eight rows behind home plate when Brian Wilson

776
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: threw the last pitch, so it was I was like

777
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 2: the only guy, Like the place went silent. But then

778
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 2: I would say, like it even went more silent after

779
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: like everybody realized what was going on. Like it sounded

780
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 2: like it felt like the national anthem, but it was

781
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: just it was so crazy. But those I mean those ten, twelve,

782
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: fourteen years were so good. But I know it's a

783
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: long winded answer to go back on JT Snow, But

784
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: JT's getting that signed card from him when I was

785
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: like four or five, him being a Cal Club member

786
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: and a good dude. I mean, that's just a that

787
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 2: was a layup for me.

788
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: So did you ever meet JT Snow? Did you meet

789
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 3: Barry Bonds?

790
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: I've never met Barry. I've seen JT out at CAL

791
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: a few times. He's still a member out there. There's

792
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: a bunch of athletes that are out at CAL and

793
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: it's it's a lot of fun. Cal Club made me

794
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: an honorary member last year and being able to hang

795
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: out with all those, you know, athletes that are in

796
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: the bar area just because golf is obviously booming in general,

797
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: but you know a lot of athletes just love playing it.

798
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: You know, in their offseason, so you know, it's it's

799
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: it's really fun for me to go out there and

800
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: be with those guys, you know. I would say that

801
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: the biggest thing that I've definitely learned from them is

802
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: the fact that when you play one hundred and sixty

803
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: two games in a season, you've got to be on

804
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: every single day. You have to know what you're doing

805
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: every single day because you're working for an organization. And

806
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 2: I really admire that because for us, it's very easy

807
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: to you know, you play twenty seven times in a

808
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: season and maybe you have a couple off weeks and

809
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: some guys maybe don't tough it out, while the reality

810
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: is is that these guys are shown off to bat

811
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: and they don't you know, they're they have to be

812
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: on or they're spot's going to be taken. And I

813
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: really relate with that, and I would say, especially those

814
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: guys who play those one hundred and fifty plus games

815
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: a season, can you know, like cal Ripken did, is

816
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: just a crazy I never, Yeah, I know, I mean

817
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 2: it's but it's just like we don't have that in golf,

818
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: Like we don't have we do have some guys where

819
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: they'll play insane numbers of tournaments, but like to be

820
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: that good and play that much like it's very rare,

821
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: Like Rory kind of cuts back on his schedule, Scotty

822
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: cuts back on his schedule. Like they want the quality

823
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: versus the amount of reps. And I just I the

824
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: guys who just were able to show up Dan day out,

825
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: Like I just respect the hell out of that.

826
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: If you were to meet Barry Bonds, would would you

827
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: be intimidated? Would you be scared to death? What would

828
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 3: you say to him if you got a chance to

829
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 3: meet him?

830
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: How many shots do you want on the front? That's

831
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 2: incredible and he would probably, knowing from from what I've heard,

832
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 2: I know it, he would probably get it right back

833
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: to me and more. And that's exactly how I'd want it.

834
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: That's he's a hero. I mean, he's watching him hit

835
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: that many home runs and be that good and that

836
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: dominant was so fun of the barrier, like it was

837
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: it was just popping in the bar area for base

838
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: junior base or you know, little league baseball at the time.

839
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: You know, like it was just so much fun, you know,

840
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: going to the games and watching him hit home runs

841
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: so far over you know, into McCovey cove And you know,

842
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: I'd say the only other home run that I've ever

843
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: seen that was more ridiculous than any of Barry's home

844
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: runs was Albert Poolhole's Game two World Series twenty eleven.

845
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 2: He hit the third deck in like the sixth inning

846
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 2: and it was like six feet right of the foul pole.

847
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 2: So I mean he had got it. But I mean

848
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: this thing. I remember, like people the second the crack

849
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: of the bat when they're like, oh, that's gone, and

850
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: then it hit the third deck like right off the

851
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: sign and they were like like you could hear the

852
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: collective air being sucked out of the building based off

853
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: of where it went. And yeah, some of Barry's home

854
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 2: runs were insane. There were a lot of fun to

855
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: be rooting for him back then.

856
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, just switching sports one more time here, will you?

857
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 3: You are good friends with Tony Romo. Tony Romo was

858
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: a great quarterback, he's a great podcaster, he's a great golfer.

859
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: Where did that relationship begin? And what is it like

860
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: playing golf now with Tony Romo?

861
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he has been I'll preface it with that

862
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: Tony stopped maturing at sixteen, and I my friends are

863
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: all kind of that way, and we you know, like

864
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: Tony really I was. I grew up in playing golf

865
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: at Ventry Country Club in Dallas. He had joined because

866
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: he lives kind of nearby, and he invited me to

867
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: come play with them. Played my ass off, played so

868
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: good and we started playing a lot of golf together

869
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 2: after that, and through COVID was really where we played

870
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: a lot of golf together and in Texas our COVID policies.

871
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: Let's say we're extremely pro golf. You know, that's probably

872
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 2: the best way I could phrase it. We weren't really

873
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: able to go. We weren't really able to go hit balls.

874
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: We couldn't share carts, you know, for a while, we

875
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: couldn't have carts. But like every single day for three months,

876
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 2: it was like Romo maybe another PGA tour pro and

877
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: like another guy, and it was just like it was

878
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 2: a bloodbath, like it was. It got me ready to

879
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: compete when we got back. And you know, I was

880
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: playing for money quite frankly at the time that I

881
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: shouldn't have been playing for but it made me very

882
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 2: made me more comfortable when I got out on tour.

883
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: And I would say that you know, like when I

884
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: got out of COVID and I got onto corn Ferry. Uh,

885
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: I had like some insane stretch where I had like

886
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: nine top tens on corn Ferry and like eleven events

887
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 2: or something, and I had won once. And within seven

888
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 2: months of us basically being released from COVID, I had

889
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: gone from being out of a mid level corn fairy

890
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: guy to having a sixth in the US Open because

891
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: the US Open had gotten pushed because of COVID to

892
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 2: the fall at Wingfoot, and I would not have tried

893
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: to qualify because at the time, if you were on

894
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: corn Faery tour and you were playing in the US Open,

895
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 2: you could finish ninth and it almost meant nothing. You know, now,

896
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: I believe there it does help with your corn fairy

897
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: status to get you on tour, as it should because

898
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 2: he played well on a major. But I kept top

899
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: tending my way into eventually having special temporary status on tour,

900
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: which then eventually I got to top fifty in the world,

901
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 2: which then literally within a year of playing almost daily

902
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: with him for three months, I had finished second in

903
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: the Masters and was already top thirty in the world.

904
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: So the reality was that he made me a lot

905
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 2: tougher through these games. And it wasn't so much about

906
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: the money as much as it was him kind of

907
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: challenging me and seeing how I would respond. And I

908
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 2: loved that. And there were times where maybe I would,

909
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: you know, lay down and fold, and he would maybe

910
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: kind of go like, hey, like you should have taken

911
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: that hammer. You should have fun, you know, believe in

912
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: yourself a little bit more. And so like he loves learning,

913
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: he loves the golf game, he loves studying the game.

914
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: He wants to try to be you know, wants his

915
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: golf swing to be as much like Ben Hogan as possible.

916
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: You know, he's got all the books on golf swing.

917
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: And so it's fun because I would say through those times,

918
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: if I didn't have the answers he would, it would

919
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 2: kind of bother me. Like he would ask me questions

920
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: about a golf about his golf swing, and I'd be like,

921
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,959
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I feel like I should, and

922
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: he just was. It was a really fun time to

923
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: kind of pick his brain. And I, you know, the

924
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 2: ups the downs that being in COVID and the next thing,

925
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: you know, fifteen months later, I can't even get a

926
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: coffee without someone you know, saying something to me about hey,

927
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 2: nice at Augusta or you know whatever. It was just

928
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: a very big fifteen months. You know, you go from

929
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 2: this complete anonymity and isolation. So then fifteen months later,

930
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: you know you're turning down going on the Today Show.

931
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 2: So that's like it was a huge, huge, huge pivot

932
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: in my life. And I think he helped me a

933
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 2: lot with that, and you know, really was helpful. I

934
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: would say, through all of the success I had in

935
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, to kind of keep me balanced and

936
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: kind of keep staying on tasks to try to go,

937
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: you know, get my first one.

938
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 3: And they asked Ben Hogan once. Ben Hogan asked his

939
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: caddy once how far to the pin from here? The

940
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 3: caddy said five eighty six and ben Hogan said, which

941
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: one is? It? Does that sum up the way a

942
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: PGA tour pro plays will.

943
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: So I would there's a mixed but I would say

944
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: a vast majority of caddies and tour pros most likely

945
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: if they have one hundred and fifty six yards, let's

946
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: stay for random numbers. If they have one hundred and

947
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: fifty six yards and the winds a little end two

948
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 2: and it's two yards uphill, Like I would not be

949
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: surprised if a caddy is sitting there saying, give me

950
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: your one sixty four shot right here.

951
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 3: Now.

952
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 2: The reality is is that all of us know how

953
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 2: far that we hit clubs, and you're kind of doing

954
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: some math. But then you also have the other end

955
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: of the spectrum with Brooks Koepka, where he is more

956
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: like he's got an eight iron pulled out of his

957
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: bag before Ricky Elliott even has the yardage, so he

958
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 2: just sees it and he's like, I know this is

959
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: an eight iron just because I've played here, you know,

960
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: fifteen times and it's always been an eight iron. So

961
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: there's there is. It's a little bit like pitching where

962
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, you've got guys like Paul Skans

963
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 2: who have got the water jug up on their shoulder

964
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: and they're doing the whole you know, warming up all

965
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: you know, in the back of the and then you

966
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 2: think of the old days of like guys how they

967
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 2: were like, you know, I'll just have a cigarette and

968
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 2: you know, crack my neck and I'm gonna go throw

969
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 2: you know, eight shutout innings. You know, there's less of

970
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 2: that now, but there still is a little more. There

971
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 2: are some guys that are very tight. B I guess

972
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 2: this is the way of putting it right, as long

973
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 2: as it works with all matters right.

974
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: Yes, John Smoltz, I took a cross country trip with

975
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 3: him once. He told me he's got eleven holes in one.

976
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 3: And he also told me a story about a guy

977
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: who played with a PGA Tour pro who was playing

978
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 3: a course and it wasn't a tournament. The guy was

979
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 3: just playing the course for the first time with some

980
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 3: friends and smolt said that it was a blind shot

981
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 3: on a par five and they told the pro just

982
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: aim at that really big clock in the background, way

983
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 3: in the background, and the pro said, what time on

984
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 3: the clock should I aim for? Meaning eight forty five

985
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 3: and three point fifteen are two different shots. Now, will

986
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 3: you're you're shaking your head? Is that an overstatement or

987
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 3: did he actually mean that?

988
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: Look, let the legend grow right, Like we're talking about

989
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: two feet between from three hundred yards away. Either one

990
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: of them's an A plus plus, So I don't. Yeah, Look,

991
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 2: I love stuff like that because there are moments where

992
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: like Tiger at where it was at St. Andrews when

993
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: he won by twelve and two thousand, he hit like

994
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: a five wood or something and Stevie Williams told him

995
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: to aim at the steeple that's, you know, in the

996
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: town of St. Andrews. And there's a great video of

997
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: him where he hits the shot and he's holding his

998
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 2: pose and he does the little club twirl and he goes,

999
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 2: is that the steeple you're talking about?

1000
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 3: Just like.

1001
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: And like stuff like that is awesome. I love that stuff.

1002
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 2: But of course, at the same time, I'm like, all right,

1003
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: the three pound bass is now a fifty eight pound tuna.

1004
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 3: That's the way the stories grow.

1005
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: Oh well, So I'm curious to know from from your perspective. Right,

1006
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about baseball players playing golf. We've

1007
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: talked a lot about Tony Romo football players. Who else

1008
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: have you had the opportunity to play with? I mean,

1009
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: you mentioned the first question you would ask Barry Bonds

1010
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: is how many shots do you want? So obviously your

1011
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: love language is getting on a course with somebody.

1012
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: I think that put it this way, because we talked

1013
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 2: about it earlier. It's it's for some reason on the

1014
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: front of my head. I wouldn't put it as a person.

1015
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 2: But I would say that if I ever got to

1016
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: play with Maddox, Glavin and Smoltz, that would probably be

1017
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: as like legit, Like, I'm actually kind of like a

1018
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: little nervous here because this is like it's something I've known,

1019
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: like I've watched them. Getting them back together, for one,

1020
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 2: would be insane. But the other part of it, too

1021
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 2: is the million questions I would ask them about baseball

1022
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: and the million questions they'd ask me about golf. But

1023
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 2: playing with those three guys, I probably wouldn't say much.

1024
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 2: I would just be soaking in every single thing I can,

1025
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 2: because I like, I would love that. You know, there's

1026
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 2: a lot of really fun athletes that I've played with,

1027
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: but I would say that most likely that would be

1028
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: the most Like I'm not saying that because we're here.

1029
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: It's just Maddox kind of has that a little bit

1030
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: of the same thing with the uh you know the

1031
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 2: I love that the where he talks about when he

1032
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 2: had the baseball and it had the like the intention

1033
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: in it and then finally it got fouled off and

1034
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 2: he goes, all right, everything's fair again, and I'm like,

1035
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: I love that comment. I love that comment. It's like,

1036
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 2: all right, he you know, they have a chance again.

1037
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: And I'm like, same thing, like when he had the

1038
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 2: Chris Bryant red Bull thing and Chris is like trying

1039
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: to hit a homer and he's like, that's not the

1040
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: warning track, Like he knows it's not the warning track,

1041
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 2: Like without even looking back, He's like, nah, it's short.

1042
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I just love that, Like that would

1043
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: be so much fun, especially with the stories I've heard

1044
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 2: about Smoltz and two, so I think that'd be really cool.

1045
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: I'm a baseball jockey at heart. If I if I

1046
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: couldn't have played, if I didn't play golf, I'd like,

1047
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: I said, the only thing I could do is basically

1048
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 2: throw really hard and really fast. So they suck me

1049
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: in a pitcher in short and then they saw me

1050
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: hit and said what's going practice.

1051
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 3: Well, well, Derek Low, former pitcher, played with Maddox once

1052
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 3: and I said what was that like? And he said,

1053
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 3: he plays golf exactly the way that he pitches. He

1054
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 3: is a genius out there. He is a robot out there.

1055
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 3: He knows every angle of every shot and he plays

1056
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 3: golf like he pitches, which makes him great. And then

1057
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 3: I asked Glavin once what is Smolts like on the

1058
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 3: golf course and he said, well, he's great first off,

1059
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 3: but he said, there isn't one shot that John doesn't

1060
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 3: think he can hit. Like He'll look at those two

1061
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 3: guys and he says, I'm gonna fade this around that

1062
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 3: tree out there two hundred and forty yards away with this.

1063
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 3: Three would at Glavins look at him, said John, you

1064
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 3: can't do that. Tiger can't do nobody could do that.

1065
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 3: And Smolts so will. This will be our mission. Those

1066
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 3: guys are absolutely the greatest three guys in the world

1067
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 3: to play with. We need to arrange around where you

1068
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 3: play with those three. That would be great, but let's

1069
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 3: be clear. You would clobber them in their prime and

1070
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 3: you right now as golfers, you would kill all three

1071
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 3: of them and it would still be the greatest day

1072
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 3: of your whole life.

1073
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 2: And I they could get so deep into my pocket

1074
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: and I will still be telling that story for life.

1075
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't enjoy that part of it, but like,

1076
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: I would love to play golf with those guys. And

1077
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 2: here just the banter going back and forth. You know,

1078
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: I just always thought that was really cool, just having

1079
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 2: guys like that together, Like Gavin's kind of got a

1080
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: fun little golf crew that he has on the padres

1081
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: And I just always thought that was cool where it's

1082
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: like the guys are on their off He's and like, hey,

1083
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: what do you go do? We're in Dallas's go play golf,

1084
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: you know, and that's I just always thought that was

1085
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 2: so fun. But yeah, those three guys would be an

1086
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: absolute blast man.

1087
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: Well, we talked to Jeff frank Court, he played with Tiger.

1088
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: We put one of our favorite stories ever been told

1089
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: on the podcast, Bobby Cox let him leave early, faked

1090
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 1: an injury in a spring training game. It's been said

1091
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: on this podcast a million times. It's our favorite story ever.

1092
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: But the thing that he said about Tiger was best

1093
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: guy on the golf course, laughing, joking, having fun. But

1094
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: when he stands over that ball, it's like eighteen at

1095
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: the Masters, right, Like he is just like locked in

1096
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: even when you're like, lack of a better term, having fun,

1097
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: goofing off on the course. You said, make golf. Is

1098
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: are you always that automatically You're like, yeah, totally bang,

1099
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: Like is it is it just kind of like instinctive,

1100
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: instinctual to you at this.

1101
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 2: Point, Well, yes, so, because I would say that, like,

1102
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 2: there's a really cool thing that I don't even know

1103
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 2: if you guys have ever seen this, but there's a

1104
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: video of Tiger throughout his prime and they put a

1105
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 2: stopwatch of him hitting different putts at different points in

1106
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: his career, and it was like the amount of time

1107
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 2: over the ball was like between sixteen seconds and like

1108
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: sixteen point seven seconds every single time, like it was

1109
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 2: within a second. And the whole point of that is

1110
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: his process doesn't start when he's over the ball. His

1111
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 2: whole thing starts four feet behind the golf ball. He's

1112
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: envisioning the shot, he's rehearsing what he's thinking on or

1113
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,919
Speaker 2: what he's trying to do. Then he envisions it again,

1114
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: then he walks into it. He looks at his intermediate spot,

1115
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: gives a couple of waggles, shuffles his feet, then he

1116
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: looks again at his target, and then eyes go back

1117
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: and then he pulls the trigger. So the whole thing

1118
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: is just like one movement. So it's kind of like

1119
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: if you were to it's like, Jeff, we were to

1120
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: go work on your golf game right now, and if

1121
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: I already give you one hundred golf balls, and I'm

1122
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: going to tell you what to do, you know, over zoom,

1123
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: and you're gonna go bust your tail with those hundred

1124
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: golf balls and keep raking them and raking them. They

1125
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 2: won't be as quality as me telling you ten golf

1126
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 2: balls on the driving range, making you go through your

1127
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 2: routine every single time, because that's just like it's like

1128
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: everybody sees on TV. They e golf, they see all

1129
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 2: the makes, they see the hole on ones, they see

1130
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: the chip ins. The reality is you're seeing like one

1131
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: of the two to four best shots of that guy,

1132
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 2: like of that day. You miss the pitching wedge that

1133
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: they hit in the right bunker on fourteen, because that's

1134
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: bad television. You know, Like there's there's a lot of

1135
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: things that are like that, where it's like you keep

1136
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: seeing the highlights and you also are seeing just them

1137
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 2: over the ball. And I believe that a lot of

1138
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 2: it now is in majors, Like they're starting to put

1139
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,959
Speaker 2: the mics on the caddy bibs so you can hear

1140
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: the discussion a lot more. And what you'll see now

1141
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: is you'll see more of the guys kind of laboring

1142
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: through decisions and you'll think that will be more deliberate.

1143
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 2: But the difference is is that it's conversation that you

1144
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 2: didn't have access to before, and if you have more,

1145
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: if you have more access to more conversation with hearing

1146
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 2: a Rory McElroy as Scotti Scheffler or Andanerschoffley in the

1147
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: middle of their round, you're absolutely gonna want to watch

1148
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 2: that and hear that. You know, we have a lot

1149
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: going on. Baseball is a lot going on in terms

1150
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 2: of like media, you know, meteorites, labor agreement, blah blah.

1151
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: We've obviously had a lot going on the last three

1152
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 2: four years. To put it mildly, you know, the biggest

1153
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 2: point of contention for US is we need a mimic

1154
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 2: baseball and that baseball has gotten an hour faster and

1155
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 2: ratings have gotten way better. Well, look, the problem that

1156
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 2: we have is that it's like I had to do

1157
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,479
Speaker 2: it outing the other day in Dallas and I was like, look,

1158
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 2: nobody wants to watch the final group in a US

1159
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 2: Open playing in five hours and thirty two minutes, like

1160
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 2: there are twosome. But then you know, some guy says

1161
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 2: in the background, like it's like, well, yeah, but I

1162
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 2: get my two hour nap in while I'm watching, and

1163
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, and we wonder why the twenty five to

1164
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: forty five year old demographic we've struggled with, Like this

1165
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 2: all is just this is just laying itself out there

1166
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: for us. So however we can make the game faster

1167
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: and having more action going on, Like that's that's just

1168
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 2: something long term that we obviously like you guys are baseball,

1169
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 2: did it right? I mean the pitch clock everything cuts

1170
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 2: fifty minutes out of the game, Like it's it's great,

1171
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 2: but like you know, for us, if you're gonna have

1172
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: you know, watch as a featured group, you know, on

1173
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 2: a Thursday Friday of a major like expected to take

1174
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 2: five hours and twenty five minutes. And that's the problem.

1175
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: And my dad is the fastest golfer you've ever met.

1176
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: He is a good player. Well we've joked a lot

1177
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: about my game. My dad is a good player, and

1178
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: he does not like talking about himself on the podcast

1179
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: that features the storied Hall of Fame baseball writer. Anytime

1180
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: a guest compliment Tim, you're one of the best in

1181
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: the game, he texts me after cut where John Smoltz

1182
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: said I was great at my job.

1183
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 3: The point is it's.

1184
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: So hard in golf when you're like us, because we're

1185
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: just like we got to get home.

1186
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 3: Our wives are waiting for us. We're already on borrow time.

1187
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 3: I got young kids.

1188
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 2: So when dad and I play.

1189
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: In under three and a half hours, that's the greatest

1190
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: day ever.

1191
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 2: Look when my dad and I, you know, when we play,

1192
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: Like I joked that he doesn't play golf holes. He

1193
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 2: plays golf shots. So like if he hits two bad

1194
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 2: golf shots on a hole, he just picks it up

1195
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 2: and goes to the next hole. Right, So we're done

1196
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 2: in like two hours. So the part that I laugh

1197
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: at is like we tia, you know, you tea off

1198
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 2: at eight and then we're let's say, done by ten fifteen.

1199
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: And then he's like, oh slunchtime, and I'm like ten

1200
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 2: fifteen okay, now, like dinner's gonna get moved up. Like

1201
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 2: so it's always been a funny, it's always been a

1202
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 2: funny dynamic. But I love playing quick. I love ripping around.

1203
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 2: I also love walking and taking my time, you know,

1204
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 2: at dusk with some guys like so I I just

1205
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 2: you know, kind of my favorite favorite thing to do

1206
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 2: is go play the back night at cal Club, like

1207
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 2: right around four o'clock at night, Like that's one of

1208
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 2: my favorite things to do. But when I'm in Dallas,

1209
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 2: go play thirty six holes at Dallas National McCart in

1210
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: five hours and just rip you know I love amazing. Yeah,

1211
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 2: no one, But I'm not rushing, like I just in

1212
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 2: a cart and I'm just takes me five minutes to

1213
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 2: play a golf hole.

1214
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 3: Well, I haven't what it should. But you're as good

1215
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 3: as you are too, right ruly from now?

1216
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: Three married men on this podcast, does your wife also

1217
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: give you heat that you could be like, oh, yeah,

1218
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: on fourteen, I hit that ball with my six iron

1219
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: X amount of yards, hit it eight feet from the pin.

1220
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah blah.

1221
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: But you can't remember, you know, what she said we

1222
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: were gonna have for dinner, what meeting we had, Like

1223
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: is it the same for PGA? It's your job. But

1224
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: like my wife's like you, how can you remember those shots?

1225
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: But you can't remember what I told you this morning

1226
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: to remember to do.

1227
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 2: I could I could tell you how far I had

1228
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 2: on the Thursday at Shinnecock in twenty eighteen on whole

1229
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 2: number seven. We're at one seventy eight and hit a

1230
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 2: seven iron. But my wife left this morning to go

1231
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 2: get her car taken into the dealership, and she left

1232
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: the house and I totally forgot why she was going

1233
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 2: to the dealership or where she was going. I had

1234
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 2: no idea. I was like, all right, we'll be back,

1235
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 2: all right, where are you going, honey?

1236
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 3: Where are you honey?

1237
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? The golf thing, it never changes. We all you

1238
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 2: know that we always remember the one shot that brings

1239
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 2: us back to you know, that's that's the one good

1240
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 2: shot or the one stupid thing, and then for some

1241
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 2: reason we want to keep going back and scratching the edge.

1242
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 3: It's so good, I will will. We took We took

1243
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 3: over an hour of your time today, So we have

1244
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 3: to stop this at some point. But golf, baseball, two

1245
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 3: beautiful games merging today for an hour, ten minutes, absolutely hilarious.

1246
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us. And now, Jeff, I

1247
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 3: don't know how we can do this, but we got

1248
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 3: to get him with the three Hall of Fame braves pictures.

1249
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 3: It would be the coolest as long as.

1250
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 2: Asy as long we have a little father son outing too,

1251
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 2: where you know, the Zalis forces take on the Kirchins

1252
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 2: at some point, I would love dad.

1253
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 3: How many shots would we need? Genuinely, how many shots

1254
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 3: would we would need? More than he's gonna give Barry Pods,

1255
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 3: that's for sure, right Will, My clubs live in the basement,

1256
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 3: so I play so minimally I have to drag them

1257
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 3: up the stairs to get them.

1258
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: They are not even in the garage or in the truck.

1259
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: That's where they live right now for temperature control.

1260
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 3: Like that's gonna help my game at all.

1261
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: Like keeping them in the garage is going to be

1262
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: a problem.

1263
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 2: Oh, I knowed when the season's over come down, I'd

1264
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 2: love it. I would love that.

1265
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 3: Will. I lived in Dallas for four years. Jeffrey and

1266
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 3: his sister were born in Dallas, so we need to

1267
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 3: make a trip back and show them the house that

1268
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 3: they were basically born in groups lived the first two

1269
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 3: four years of their lives in. So that will be

1270
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 3: the perfect opportunity to go play golf with Will and

1271
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 3: his dad, who will be picking up at least six

1272
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 3: times at eighteen old and then have lunch at ten

1273
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 3: fifteen in the morning. It'll be great.

1274
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, my dad's gonna hear that, and he's

1275
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 2: gonna be like, you're not wrong, but I mean, come.

1276
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: On, well, my dad's seventieth birthdays at the end of

1277
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: the year, and I think we just figured out the trip,

1278
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: so we'll make it happen, will.

1279
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 2: I love it?

1280
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 3: Thanks for thanks for answering my DMS.

1281
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't slid into a DMS since I

1282
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: was a single man, and it wasn't a professional golfers

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Speaker 1: I was trying to slide into.

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Speaker 3: You answered.

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Speaker 1: You have blown us away with your great stories and

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Speaker 1: your love for baseball. Thank you so much for taking

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Speaker 1: some time for our little podcast.

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Speaker 2: Y'all are the best. Can't wait to see you. I

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Speaker 2: can't wait to see you guys in person soon