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Speaker 2: On today's episode, we're talking about spider Man, Your Friendly

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Speaker 2: Neighborhood Spider Man, some Captain America news. It's basically a

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 2: My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosday Night, and

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Speaker 2: welcome back to xtra Vision, the podcast where we dive

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Speaker 2: deep your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Coming from Ara podcast Where Were You?

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Speaker 2: Three episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.

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Speaker 3: It's previously on, so we're catching up on the biggest

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Speaker 3: geek news of the week, including Anthony Mackie talks is

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Speaker 3: controversial but actually not that controversial, and very true facts

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Speaker 3: about Captain America and all the things that Netflix has

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Speaker 3: planned for twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: First up news.

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Speaker 1: In spider Man News.

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Speaker 2: Hudson Thames, voice of Peter Parker, spider Man on Your

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Speaker 2: Friendly Neighborhood spider Man's Watch It Now on a Disney

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Speaker 1: Really was quoted in a Collider?

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Speaker 5: Was it a collider? It was a collider in it

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Speaker 5: was Clyde.

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Speaker 2: That's was quoted in Collider as saying, among other things,

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Speaker 2: quote my biggest fear was that it your friendly neighborhood

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Speaker 2: spider Man was going to be annoying and woke, and uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, this has caused some controversy amongst fans and others.

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Speaker 2: But Rosie, I have a theory, yes and our and

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Speaker 2: my theory I think will be underlined by our second

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Speaker 2: secretly likes this for the following reason.

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Speaker 1: One, it allows.

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Speaker 2: The right to be to get performing of and say like, look,

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Speaker 2: we're winning, We're Disney, look at us, we got Disney's realized.

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Speaker 2: You go woke, you go broke it, We're fucking we're winning,

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Speaker 2: when in reality, Jeff Treummel, Disney and the rest are

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Speaker 2: doing nothing different about how they cast, how they staff,

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Speaker 2: the show is incredibly the plot lines, the diversity of it.

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Speaker 2: So I think that I think Disney secretly likes this

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Speaker 2: and this show. Let's uh, these kind of like right

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Speaker 2: wing cultural excremists feel like, hey, we're winning when in

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Speaker 2: reality nothing has changed, I think substantively changes.

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Speaker 1: That is my theory.

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Speaker 3: I think that that sounds very realistic, honestly, and I

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Speaker 3: just it was so wild that this dropped like the

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Speaker 5: Came out and sudden interesting it was. Yeah, I'm surprised.

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Speaker 3: Quotes pulled by some big studios before if somebody said

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Speaker 5: They probably this quote is out there.

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Speaker 3: I will say to Colli and to Collider, Jeff Trumau

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Speaker 5: Whether or not you believe that, I do have to

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Speaker 3: Because the show is so as they would as people

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Speaker 3: would call it woke. You know, the show is actually

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Speaker 5: In a lot of the stories it chooses to tell.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, not a great not a great showing for

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Speaker 2: Next up, Anthony Mackie has clarified earlier statements about Captain

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Speaker 2: I'm a proud American. There's a clip of Mackie responding

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Speaker 2: Captain America represents a lot of different things that I

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Speaker 2: It's about a man who keeps his word, who has

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Speaker 2: course there's backlash to this, and.

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Speaker 3: Which is hilarious because I have to say, Anthony Mackie,

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Speaker 1: No wander around his motorcycle, going.

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Speaker 5: To become a nomad. He's going to say, I'll burn

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Speaker 3: You know, there's many, many iterations of that very complicated

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Speaker 2: is like not a big deal. Up next, Netflix reveals

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Speaker 2: some upcoming series and films and games for twenty twenty five. Netflix,

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Speaker 2: You're all conquering platform. They have won the streaming wars.

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Speaker 2: The streaming wars are over, and Netflix stands triumphant above all,

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Speaker 2: and part of their twenty twenty five offerings include Guilmo

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Speaker 2: del Toro and Oscar Isaac's in Frankenstein. Wow, Hello, I

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Speaker 3: Giamo del Toro directing Frankenstein sounds ideal. Oscar Isaac as Frankenstein,

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Speaker 3: not the monster who will be played by Jacob and Laudie.

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Speaker 3: I believe big old Jacom. I want to say he's

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Speaker 3: slightly nervous, but I'm excited because it looks cool, hilariously

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Speaker 3: looks like they shot it on the same set as Wicked,

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Speaker 2: That is very exciting. The third and five season of

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Speaker 2: which is a fast turned round.

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Speaker 3: That's much much quicker, but makes sense because Quig Game

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Speaker 5: Yes, it's so this makes sense.

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Speaker 2: The final battle, I guess against the billionaires who run

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Speaker 5: The brothers children, Jason.

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Speaker 2: They're in legitimately in their mid to late twenties.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: The Duffer brothers have been talking potential spinoffs, but nothing concrete.

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Speaker 6: Finish the show first, Okay, these children are all taller

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Speaker 6: than Winona Ryder, like, just finish the show and then

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Speaker 6: you could talk about spinoffs. Your momentum is not their, sir,

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Speaker 2: Five years after the release of the original movie, in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, The Old Guard is getting a sequel starring

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Speaker 2: Charlie's the On She's back. We love, We love when

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Speaker 2: Charlie's does action. She's a wonderful action hero. The third

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Speaker 2: installment of Knives Out, Wake Up, Knives Out, Mystery.

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Speaker 1: We'll release twenty five out. Details.

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Speaker 2: We don't know a lot about details, But what do

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Speaker 1: You know what it is.

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Speaker 1: It's a fun murder.

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Speaker 2: We'll figure it out, Ran Johnson. Yes, and then season

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Speaker 3: Get that show is very, very very addicting and hilarious

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I Love You began as a lifetime.

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Speaker 3: TV series and uh yeah, and and now we're going

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Speaker 5: So I'm interested to see what happens next.

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Speaker 2: Up next week on Extra Vision, we're diving into stuff.

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Speaker 3: Coming up, commen, and I give you a brief spoiler

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Speaker 3: free review of Companion. You want to go in knowing

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Speaker 3: about Companion. We are going to have a spoiler free

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Speaker 5: So what did you think about the movie? How did

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Speaker 7: I want to see this movie. I highly recommend going

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Speaker 5: Because, yeah, it's a Companion. Yeah it's really, really, really

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Speaker 5: It, and I am a twist guesser.

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Speaker 3: But as Kamen has said, it's super fun. When I

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Speaker 3: He also recommended other movies to watch if you enjoy

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite movies. I was so glad when

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Speaker 3: attaching the cost who is just like obviously Sophie Thatcher

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Speaker 3: coming off of like Yellow Jackets, She's so incredible now

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Speaker 3: heretic to Jack Quade Screen five very much in the

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Speaker 3: same space. Lucas Gage, who I just love and everything.

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Speaker 3: He's so fantastic. Covey Dan, I love and everything. Megan

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Speaker 3: Suri another person I was super happy to see it

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Speaker 3: reput friend. I'm not gonna mention my favorite bit of costing,

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Speaker 3: because I do feel like it's a surprised when it appears.

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Speaker 3: But what was it like to start putting talent that

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Speaker 3: felt equivalent to the project on the project.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that that's like, that's the goal you write.

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Speaker 4: You want to you don't want to go for like

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Speaker 4: the hottest name, you want to go for who's right

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Speaker 4: for it. And it just so happened to be like,

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Speaker 4: oh what like this became just because came a very

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Speaker 4: like hot test, you know, not because we were like

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Speaker 4: let's make something hip and cool. It was just the

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Speaker 4: you know, who is best for each role? You know,

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Speaker 4: Jack came by chance, like Jack has the same not

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Speaker 4: the same reps, but we're both repped by UTA, and

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Speaker 4: his team had slipped him a script before we were

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Speaker 4: even in the casting process, and so he read it,

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Speaker 4: liked it, and then requested to sit down with me.

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Speaker 4: And I sat down with him, and the one the

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Speaker 4: only thing I needed from Josh, which is a big ass,

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Speaker 4: is you need to find someone who can make unlikeability

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Speaker 4: to be unlikability likable like you. He starts out of

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Speaker 4: the gate saying horrible ship. Like his first lines is

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Speaker 4: like smile and act happy, which is just an awful

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Speaker 4: thing to say to anyone, But he says it in

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Speaker 4: a way that it's still bad, but you go, oh,

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Speaker 4: he just he's not It's not malicious, it's coming from

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Speaker 4: a place and he just.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't want he wants you don't feel anxious.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's a do f It's a little bit

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Speaker 4: of a do fiss, which is lovable and you're you're

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Speaker 4: you're rooting for that person. So it's it's so fun

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Speaker 4: to play with this a version of just how charismatic

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Speaker 4: that dude is. And so that was very easy. Sophie

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Speaker 4: came much much later because you know that that that's

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Speaker 4: just it's a tough role to cast because it's there's

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Speaker 4: like like not just within like the movie, but within scenes,

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Speaker 4: there's there's emotional shifts happening, Like she goes like when

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Speaker 4: she finds out the truth about who she is, like

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Speaker 4: she's going from you know, fear to humor to uh

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Speaker 4: like begging for her life to like just go back

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Speaker 4: to fear. And so that's like I remember talking to

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Speaker 4: her and she was really scared about that scene. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: like she came late. We've done a lot of casting.

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Speaker 4: We we we got like three hundred self tapes from

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Speaker 4: very talented actors, and we just couldn't find anyone that

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Speaker 4: nailed the first half and the second half because the

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Speaker 4: first half, you know, passivity like that. You know, like

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Speaker 4: need to buy her as someone that like is being

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Speaker 4: kind of uh put in her plate and passive and dotile,

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Speaker 4: and then you need to buy her at the end

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Speaker 4: as someone who stands up to Josh. She she she

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Speaker 4: becomes empowered. Like there's a literal moment in the movie

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Speaker 4: where there's like a switch is slipped on and she

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Speaker 4: becomes someone else. And it was there were so many actors.

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Speaker 4: They could do the first half, but they could do

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Speaker 4: the second half. There's a lot of actors that do

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Speaker 4: the second half, you know, these bad asss like women

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Speaker 4: that you're just oh my god, you're so amazing in

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Speaker 4: the speech and I just love this. Yeah, but then

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Speaker 4: you do the opening scene of her in the car

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Speaker 4: and you're like this feels fake. This, Yeah, you're awesome.

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Speaker 4: You're an awesome person. So Sophie, Sophie comes in and

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Speaker 4: we do a chemistry read with her and Jack. It's

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Speaker 4: over zoom, which is not a situation where you ever

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Speaker 4: want to do a chemistry read because how are you

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Speaker 4: going to read? You know, like, how how they work

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Speaker 4: off each other. They're on the same room, it's on

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Speaker 4: a little box on a computer screen, but We had

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Speaker 4: to do it because I was in New York, Jack

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Speaker 4: was in London, and Sophie was in la Even over zoom,

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Speaker 4: you could feel it. It was one of those Hollywood

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Speaker 4: cliche moments where as soon as she started speaking, oh

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Speaker 4: my god, this is Iris. And because I'm so negative,

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Speaker 4: because I was such a cynical person, I'm like, well,

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Speaker 4: we're going to screw this up. Like this is workout.

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Speaker 4: We've found our Iris, and it's not going to work

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Speaker 4: out because, like you know, let the universe is outing,

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Speaker 4: it wants to destroy me. But it worked out, and

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Speaker 4: she she's in it, and I think she's you know,

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Speaker 4: I think she's universally if you don't like the movie,

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Speaker 4: I think everyone can recognize that she's unbelievable in it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's incredible. And before I go, I was just

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Speaker 3: all listen to her extra vision. We love to do

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Speaker 3: a little bit of homework, a little bit of prep,

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Speaker 3: a little bit of post work sometimes, So like, what

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Speaker 3: are the five movies that you think shaped companion that

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Speaker 3: people can this one's out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so X Marketa is like an obvious one. Stepford

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Speaker 4: Wives is an obvious one. Don't worry, Darling Gosh Lars

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Speaker 4: and the Real Girl love that.

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Speaker 1: Well, great cup.

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Speaker 4: And then I need a Colin Brothers one in there

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Speaker 4: because they're so influential to me. So so like Fargo.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I was going to.

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Speaker 3: Say maybe a Fargo because it's that kind of intimate,

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Speaker 3: like Cabin in the Woods esque kind of small mystery

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Speaker 3: that has bigger kind of ramifications potentially.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's tough to kind of conquer this movie

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Speaker 4: because you know, it's a sci fi movie that we're

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00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 4: just trying to make it not look like a sci

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Speaker 4: fi movie. But yeah, I think those are good. Five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 3: of course, Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate you joining us

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Speaker 3: to hear our.

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Speaker 5: Next ray Vision.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sorry, short, no worries, A great day you hi.

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Speaker 1: X.

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Speaker 2: Ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie Night

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Speaker 2: and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kurtman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abusafar.

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Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wax.

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Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and Heidi,

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