1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: All right, it's another episode of Splash Hits. We're here 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: with Hovey Lopez. Fourteen year Big League career, four time 3 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: World Series champion, twenty seven, ten, twelve and fourteen with 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: the Giants, oh seven with the Red Sox. He's a 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: Giants broadcaster. And now what's your title? What's the new job? 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: First of all, thanks for joining us, hobby. 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: How you doing well? Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 3: Uh, It's it's kind of fun to always try to 9 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 3: get back to the San Francisco community since I'm not 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 3: out there that much, so it's nice to be able 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: to get on the airwaves over there. But yeah, things 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 3: are good, just kind of moving and shaking here in Georgia. 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 3: So you know, I've been sticking to move in a 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 3: little bit. I went to the GM meetings last week 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 3: and then took my daughter up to New Jersey for 16 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 3: some lacrosse just this past weekend. So I've slept just 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 3: two nights in my own bed in the last week 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 3: or ten days. 19 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: Well, thanks for coming on today. We really appreciate I'm 20 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: sure Giants fans are pumped that you're on here. All right, 21 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: what's the new role? Tell me about it. What's the title, 22 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: what's the new role? How did this come about with 23 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 1: Buster and Zach? 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to just be an advisor to baseball operations, 25 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 3: and we're kind of just there's no real specific to 26 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 3: it as of yet. I think, if anything, I'm lending 27 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: just Pitcher's eyes to maybe a couple guys that you know, 28 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: they're so good at being able to look at all 29 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 3: the numbers and everything else, but sometimes you just need 30 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 3: a practical set of eyes to get on there. 31 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: So I think that'll be my initial foray into the 32 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: front office world. 33 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 3: But I'm going to try to bounce around a little 34 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: bit and see where things might land. I think, in 35 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: an ideal world, maybe try to be the best Dick 36 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 3: Tidrow I could be, and maybe just kind of again 37 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: look at talent if it comes my way and if 38 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 3: I'm asked to do so. But other than that, I'm 39 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: doing a lot of listening and a lot of smiling 40 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 3: and just trying to figure out exactly where I fit. 41 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: How this whole thing come about. 42 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: Buster and I had a couple conversations toward during the season, 43 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 3: and even with Zach as well. We were just kind 44 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 3: of going over maybe some various things as to, you know, 45 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 3: trying to get back to the game a little bit more. 46 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: I really enjoy broadcasting, but at the same time, if 47 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: there's an opportunity to be a value add in the 48 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: front office, I was looking about trying to do that 49 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 3: because Buster I consider a good friend of mine, and 50 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 3: when anytime somebody puts their name on it, somebody that 51 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: you know and you respect and and you love, and 52 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: you want to help them be successful. And I felt 53 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: like if I had an opportunity to be a value 54 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 3: add that I wanted to do that and help them 55 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 3: try to write this ship. 56 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: So are you still broadcasting too? 57 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 2: That's the plan right now. We're still trying to go 58 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: through that. Again. 59 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 3: It's trying to figure out what the timeframe is going 60 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 3: to look like, what what the giants are looking for 61 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 3: for me in that front office role. And again I 62 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: have my priorities here at home, which I made sure 63 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: I laid out because I'm coaching my son's team and 64 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 3: I don't want to miss too much of that spring 65 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 3: beginning of summer. Just so you know, you only get 66 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: so many times, so many laps with your kids before 67 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: they're off. So I want to be able to be 68 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 3: here and enjoy a lot of that time as well. 69 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: So you're you're a real person. You have a family 70 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: and kids, and you actually have a life besides baseball. 71 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I try. 72 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: I mean I actually I shouldn't sure change my daughter 73 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: that is the lacrosse season as wells in the spring. 74 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, she's a sophomore now in high 75 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 3: school and this is a big recruiting year, and you know, 76 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 3: again there's only so many times you get to go 77 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: watch them play and enjoy the sport. So that is 78 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: priority number one. And both Buster and Zach were were 79 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: understanding of that, and so we'll work with those parameters. 80 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: So, I mean, Susan Susser, our friend who you know 81 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: very well, like threw your name out there an article 82 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: on the Chronicle about maybe being a possible managerial candidate. 83 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: Did you is that something you aspire to do? Did 84 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: you get interviewed for the job? Take us through that 85 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: a little bit. 86 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: No, I didn't get any of that. 87 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: I actually told Susan I feel like a jerk because 88 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 3: I didn't ask to be the job. So then it's 89 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 3: like I'm saying no to the job. But no, I 90 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 3: don't know about being in uniform right now, I don't 91 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 3: think again for the time that I would want to 92 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 3: put in and the time that you need to put in. 93 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: To be honest with you, you've seen it up close 94 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: and personal, the amount of time that these coaches and 95 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 3: managers put into the game. You know, you age like 96 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 3: a president nowadays. You see a lot of guys just 97 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: going right to the white hair pretty quickly, so you know, 98 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 3: it's it's a three sixty. 99 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: Five kind of job. 100 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 3: Ben, I'm just not in a good position to do 101 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 3: that right now. And that's a never say never as 102 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: far as maybe joining a coaching staff someday, but as 103 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 3: of right now, I feel like I like my life 104 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 3: where I'm at right now, and you know, never, I 105 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 3: would always say yes to an interview just to see 106 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 3: what that looks like, what the process looks like. But 107 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 3: you know, as of right now, that is not an 108 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 3: aspiration of mine. 109 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: What Tony Vaitello, dude like, this is such an out 110 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: of the box hire And I got to spend some 111 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: time with him after the press conference, talk to him 112 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: in the clubhouse for a while. We actually had some 113 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: pops afterwards. He seems like the nicest guy in the world. 114 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: He seems like he's got all all the energy, super intelligent, 115 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: super passionate. Have you had a chance to meet him 116 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: and what are your impressions and thoughts about the new 117 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: manager of the Giants. 118 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thankfully he came out to the General Managers 119 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: meetings out there in Vegas, and so I was able 120 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: to actually spend some time with him. We broke some bread, 121 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 3: had some drinks. I mean, the big dinners is kind 122 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: of what was great about the GM meetings because you 123 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 3: end up sitting there meeting with a lot of agents, 124 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,119 Speaker 3: not too much talk about the roster, but just meeting 125 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: about you know what. All these agents are coming through 126 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 3: trying to sell their guys, and the giants are going 127 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 3: through their needs and what they want. And Tony actually 128 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 3: sat in on a good amount of those and it 129 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: was nice to break some bread with him and just 130 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: have a casual conversation, no stress, and you know, the 131 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: energy is there. It's palpable. You can kind of just 132 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 3: sit next to him at the table. I was picking 133 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 3: on him a little bit just to see what his 134 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 3: thoughts were going forward. And you know, I think it's 135 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 3: a guy that's going to be. 136 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: Energy. 137 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 3: He won't lack for energy. I think that is one 138 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 3: thing he's going to communicate very well. I think ultimately 139 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: what it's going to come down to is the people 140 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 3: that you surround him with. And I think that's been 141 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: the biggest discussion what that coaching staff is going to 142 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 3: look like. You know, they lost a couple of guys, 143 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: Mark Holberg being a guy that goes off to Minnesota 144 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 3: now and you know, so they're going to look for 145 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 3: a guy that, you know, I think he was kind 146 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 3: of projecting to be a person that would maybe be 147 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 3: the third base coach. He had done it before to 148 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 3: take the place in Matt Williams there. So I think 149 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: they're they're kind of working their way through a chase. 150 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: Tingler's on the staff and he's picking and choosing some 151 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 3: guys as well. So I think more and more than anything, 152 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 3: it's who you surround him with and trying to get 153 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 3: him up to speed on the personnel. 154 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 2: You know, now, now you're. 155 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 3: You're the skipper of the big leagues. You're managing men. 156 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 3: You're not managing eighteen to twenty two year olds. You're 157 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 3: managing you know, twenty five to thirty five's. So it's 158 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 3: it's going to be a different shape. But if there's 159 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 3: a guy that's going to be up to the task, 160 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: I think it'll be Tony and and this is the 161 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: staff that at least in Perth is going to be 162 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 3: surrounding him, is going to be along those same lines 163 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: as well, so to be exciting. 164 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get the sense that it was the day 165 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: of his press conference that he was over by the 166 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: whole thing, which kind of makes sense when you think 167 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: about it. But how does he get through to the veterans? 168 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: Haave in your opinion, I mean, you played fourteen years 169 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: in the big leagues, Like, how does he get through 170 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: to the older players? 171 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: Well, I think it begins with going to see them 172 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: in their comfort zones, and I believe, unless things are changing, 173 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 3: that's the plan. So he's headed down to the Dominican, 174 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: he'll try to spend some time with a Damis Endeavors 175 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 3: while they're down there, and I think that's the best 176 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 3: way to kind of go about it, regardless of what 177 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: you're doing, whatever leadership role you're in, is that you 178 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: go meet somebody in their comfort zone, in their space 179 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: and figure out what they're about. And I think that 180 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 3: that is plan number one for him. I'm sure he's 181 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: gonna he'll. 182 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: Stick and move a little bit. 183 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: He still lives in Nashville, but he's looking at places 184 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: in Scottsdale, so he'll meet with some of the guys 185 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: down in Arizona, I'm sure, and kind of do the circuit. 186 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: He went to some Fall League games after Vegas, so 187 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 3: I do think again that's kind of how it begins. 188 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: You just try to make those meets early because when 189 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 3: you get into spring training, you know as well as 190 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: I do, it's you're under the gun already and you 191 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: get going in spring training. I mean, you have that 192 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: week of picture catcher kind of deal, but your team 193 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: comes in and you're in the fight. And of all 194 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 3: the years to take over, this is a tough one 195 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: for Tony just because the WBC is going to be 196 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: played in the spring, and you know there's names that 197 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: are floated out there, people that might be playing and 198 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 3: most likely will be playing on the roster. So getting 199 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: to get those conversations and those relationships going is priority 200 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: number one for him, and I think that that was 201 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: the plan leaving Vegas, was to go ahead and have 202 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 3: those conversations. 203 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: You're so front office see right now, Oh my goodness, 204 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you should have a suit. 205 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 2: I don't think I'm doing buzzwords. I don't feel like 206 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: I'm doing buzzwords. I should, I should. 207 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 3: I didn't get my list of twenty five buzzwords, but 208 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: I gotta. 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This is definitely the 236 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: minority in Major League Baseball. 237 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 3: I think you're starting to see it kind of turn 238 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 3: this way now, just again, because they're the analytics teams 239 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 3: are so big, and they obviously can read the numbers 240 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 3: and understand what's going on and play and bet on trends, 241 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 3: but oftentimes it comes down to an eye test whether 242 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 3: I think you see the game similarly, though I do. 243 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: Obviously I'm more pitcher focused, but being around so many 244 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: hitters in my life, I have a tendency I listen 245 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 3: to a really to a lot of hitters tell me 246 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: what they see in a picture, what they're trying to understand, 247 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: whether it's what kind of patterns they might fall into, 248 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: what part of the plate are they taking away? And 249 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 3: I think a lot of that gets maybe lost on 250 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 3: some of these analytical teams. So you bring in a 251 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 3: guy that just has more of a playing experience, and 252 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 3: I'm definitely not turned off to numbers at all. I 253 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 3: think it's very important in this game. It has been, 254 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 3: it's proven itself, and it's not going anywhere. But if 255 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: there's a little tendency that I might see, I'm a 256 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 3: big body language guy. You know, I'll mention it on 257 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 3: the bread when I broadcast that pays poison presents are 258 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 3: the three things I look for in a picture, And 259 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 3: I think, well, the same thing can be said when 260 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 3: you watch your hitters. You know, it's tough to see 261 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 3: when you're watching just strictly video, but when you and 262 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 3: I are in the yard, you can watch a guy's 263 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 3: whole routine from being on deck as he's staring in 264 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: the stands. Does he have a plan? Does it look 265 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 3: like he's trying to time something up? And then it's 266 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 3: clear as day when he steps into the box if 267 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: there's a plan or not. And I think that those 268 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 3: are the kind of things that kind of jump out 269 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 3: to us that we can kind of try to I 270 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 3: always tell my kids teamwork makes the dream work. 271 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 2: So I'm in there. Whether my advice is. 272 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: Taken or not, I'm going to share it and then 273 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: after that, you know, they do what they want with it. 274 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: But I think that is one of the things that 275 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: I can bring, is just a different set of eyes 276 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 3: looking at the same things. And oftentimes, you know it's 277 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 3: early in this process, we'll see what this looks like like. 278 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 3: But you know, I'm going to chime in where I'm 279 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 3: allowed to and kind of just voice those concerns or 280 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 3: just comments that I might have on a guy. 281 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you and I have had many talks over a 282 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: glass of wine or two about body language. 283 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: We see it. 284 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: We have X ray vision on a baseball field when 285 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: we're broadcasting or we're watching the game, or even with 286 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: your kids. You can see if somebody's scared. You can 287 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: see if somebody's not confident. You can see if they're fidgety. 288 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: You can see if it's fake confident, and every edge 289 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: we could get as players, you on the mound, me 290 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: in the batter's box looking out at you, and all 291 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: of a sudden you're looking up in the stands or 292 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: you're taking these huge deep breasts. That's a little advantage 293 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: I have where you could tell if I get in 294 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: the batter's box and I'm a little bit jittery, or 295 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: I don't have the I'm not standing big in the 296 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: batter's box. I mean talk about that as a player, 297 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: stuff that you saw in hitters on the mound and 298 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: body language where we're like, oh, I got this guy. 299 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: You knew you had him before you threw the first pitch, 300 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: or maybe he's locked in. I got to lock in myself. 301 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, this this is so important for me. You know, 302 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: sometimes you got to you always hear fake it till 303 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: you make it kind of thing, and there is something 304 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 3: to that. When you're on the mountain, you have the ball. 305 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 3: The game doesn't start till you execute a pitch. And 306 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: I fell into it many times where I wasn't very confident, 307 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 3: slumped the shoulders, hang the head just to touch and 308 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 3: I don't think I'm doing that. But then I look 309 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 3: at a video, I'm like, oh man, that was not 310 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 3: I wasn't selling the sizzle there. 311 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: So you know, a lot of that is important. 312 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: But I do think you know, you have so many 313 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 3: game plans now and a lot of that trust is 314 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: it used to just be you know, maybe a pitching 315 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 3: coach here but a lot of that was built with 316 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 3: your catcher. Hey, this is how I want to work 317 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 3: a guy, this is what we're going to do. Now 318 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: you're getting information from all sides and it's being you know, 319 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 3: I guess disseminated to some extent from a pitching coach 320 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 3: as to how you want to do this. But a 321 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 3: lot of these staffs are built out where there's a 322 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 3: pitching coach and bullpen coach. 323 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: I used to be it. 324 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 3: Now there's like a pitching strategist and a biomechanical guy. 325 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 3: Like there's a lot of people that are going to 326 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 3: give you a lot of information and so ultimately it 327 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 3: just comes down to trying to execute the best pitch 328 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 3: that you can. And I do think that a lot 329 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 3: of that comes with the confidence and kind of what 330 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 3: you're talking about. A lot of guys maybe take that 331 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 3: breath and their shoulders are high and their tents and that, 332 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 3: you know there just shows that there it's a tense 333 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 3: body that they're pitching with. And then you look a 334 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: lot of guys like Yamamoto in the postseason, the way 335 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: he was throwing, it was amazing to watch him go 336 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 3: about it. Even Gosman, like a lot of the matchups 337 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 3: that you watch, there's guys that are just in a 338 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 3: rhythm and full of confidence, and I think that that 339 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 3: is something that you try to instill. And I think 340 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: that's going to start in the lower levels and kind 341 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 3: of like you were alluding to earlier with players coming back, 342 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 3: Randy Winn now in player development, he's trying to help out. 343 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 3: There's a lot of former players that are in pitching 344 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 3: and hitting positions in the minor leagues. The Giants had 345 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: a better year in the minor leagues, and I think 346 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: that's how you got to kind of build it. You 347 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 3: got to teach, you got to teach people to get better, 348 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 3: but you got to teach him how to win. And 349 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: I think winning is important, and I think the Giants 350 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 3: are trying to piece that together. But you're only as 351 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 3: good as your players, right So when you have that 352 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 3: marginal player, it often comes down to the instruction side 353 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 3: of it and teaching the game and teaching the little 354 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: nuances of the game that can make you just at 355 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: that little bit better. So I think that's the trend 356 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 3: that you're starting to see across baseball. 357 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: That's great stuff, right there, really really good stuff. Hayden 358 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: Birds song is a guy that comes to mind, like 359 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: when he was confident, you could tell nobody was getting 360 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: a hit off of him. But he wears his emotions 361 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: on his sleeve, and you could tell when he wasn't confident. 362 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: I mean, we could see it, and if we could 363 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: see it, the hitters could see it. But maybe touch 364 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: on the Giants state of the Union with the pitching 365 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: throughout the organization. What are your thoughts on the depth 366 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: and certain pitchers. How are we doing in the pitching department? 367 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 3: Well, given it the once over that I did, it's young. 368 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of unproven guys. Yet I 369 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 3: think for me, Hayden bird Song is the X factor 370 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 3: because we've seen him have so much success and not 371 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: only in the starting ranks, but even in the bullpen. 372 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 3: He was a high leverage arm early this season this 373 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 3: past season, and you know, it's explosive of the ability 374 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: to throw strikes and is going to be the key 375 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: for him and I think we've we've seen that throughout 376 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 3: the season, the way it played out for him, not 377 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 3: only in the big leagues before he got optioned down, 378 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 3: but down in Triple A. Just the ability to limit 379 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 3: base runners. You hear it all the time. You don't 380 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 3: want to give teams free passes, and it's you can't 381 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 3: defend a walk. It's basically what it comes down to. 382 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: So you want to just have him put the ball 383 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 3: in play. But it's sometimes it is a little bit 384 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 3: of a mental block, but sometimes it is mechanical, and 385 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 3: that's that's something for the Giants to figure out. I 386 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 3: think there's probably a team that is with bird Song 387 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 3: right now trying to figure that out. And again, another 388 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 3: former player, Clay Rapott, is the pitching coordinator for the Giants, 389 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 3: so I imagine he's with contact with. 390 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: Bird Song to figure it out. 391 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 3: But he's such a Birdie is such a big weapon 392 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: for the Giants to get back get him right that 393 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: I do think that they're going to pour in a 394 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 3: lot of that because you and I have both been 395 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: through it, whether you're fighting for a spot in big 396 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 3: league camp or just coming off not so good year 397 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 3: and you're going back into big league camp that next year. 398 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 3: That the pressure that you just put on yourself to 399 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 3: feel right a lot of a lot of times that 400 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 3: can be overwhelming. So hopefully that they take the time 401 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 3: to kind of have some mental checks or whatever it 402 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 3: is for him that he can kind of slow the 403 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: game down, because again, when you get into spring training, 404 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 3: you're so anxious to impress and show that you've made 405 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 3: the adjustments that they wanted you to make. That sometimes 406 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 3: that that under pressure, you're not going to be You're 407 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 3: just you know it as well as I know it. 408 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 3: You're not good February fifteenth. It's just you're not. You know, 409 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 3: you build into that to be better in April and 410 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 3: in May and further in the season. So hopefully they're 411 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 3: they're checking off those things for him, and and I 412 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 3: do think that that that. 413 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 2: Is one of them. But you know, you have Wizom 414 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: Hunt who had. 415 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 3: A little taste, you have all these all these guys 416 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 3: that had a little taste last year. It's how they 417 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 3: can build off of that that that the Giants really 418 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 3: need because there is going to be opportunity both in 419 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 3: the starting rotation and of the bullpen. 420 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: So how do you slow it down in the pitch 421 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: clock era, That's something that you didn't have to deal with, 422 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: like you had a built in toolbox where if things 423 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: were going south, you could step off the mound, you know, 424 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: rub up. 425 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: The baseball, get the rosen bag. 426 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: How does how does a young pitcher now, and I 427 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: know they're used to the pitch clock of the minor leagues. 428 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: How does a guy like Hayden Bird's song slow it down? 429 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 3: Well, I do think it's it's a tired cliche, but 430 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 3: it comes down to routine, and I think he's gonna 431 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 3: need one that's gonna be consistent for him. 432 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 2: And I know he likes to talk to himself. 433 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 3: We talked about that in broadcast before that. He's on 434 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 3: the mound and he's talking to himself out loud, because 435 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 3: if you hear, you're gonna believe it. And I do 436 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 3: think that's something that maybe he shied away from. Watching 437 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 3: a few of the oudings later, I didn't feel like 438 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 3: I saw that as much, and I do think that's 439 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 3: something you want to reinforce and build off of. I 440 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 3: think that's important, but it is going to be routine oriented. 441 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 3: I think when you're in this fight every single day. Again, 442 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 3: baseball is not three games a week, four games a week. 443 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 3: You're in it every night, and whether you're a starter 444 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 3: or a reliever. This is what made me struggle as 445 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 3: a starter that if I had a bad adding, I 446 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 3: couldn't touch the ball for another four days and that 447 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 3: just killed me mentally. I wasn't built right for that, 448 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 3: and I think that's why one of the reasons I 449 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 3: excelled as a reliever was just I could make up 450 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: for a bad outing the next day I had an 451 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 3: opportunity to do that. I think sitting on those is difficult, 452 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 3: and I'm not going to speak for Hayden. Maybe maybe 453 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 3: he felt that way, maybe he didn't, But I do 454 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 3: think the more opportunities you get, the more rhythm you get, 455 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 3: the better off you'll be. And I do think a 456 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 3: lot of that is going to be routine, ritual based 457 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 3: kind of things that you tried to instill in a 458 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 3: lot of these guys, and some people are hesitant to 459 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 3: mental games. I do think sports psychology is an important thing, 460 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 3: but not everyone feels that way, and that's totally fine. 461 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 3: But I do think that there are a lot of 462 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 3: players that are maybe open to that opportunity, especially when 463 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 3: they've had some difficulties. And I wouldn't doubt if that's 464 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 3: another angle that they're trying to do with Bertie. 465 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, there were some shots we had and I would 466 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: see on the radio side from the TV side of 467 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: him going O that was dirty, like after he threw 468 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: a curveball. I just love the confidence that he had 469 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: and hopefully gets that back because he's super valuable to 470 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: this organization. I'll leave you this one, Hovey. I know 471 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: you're a busy man, and we thank you for joining 472 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: us today. What's the overall vision of the Giants organization 473 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: right now? 474 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 2: Well, I do think it's going to be pitching in defense. 475 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 3: I think that's just what has played at Oracle Park 476 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 3: since its inception. 477 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: I think it's good. 478 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 3: You'd love to get power bats, great lefty pitching and 479 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 3: kind of play great defense. I think if anybody could 480 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 3: tell you that that's going to work, they would take 481 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 3: it right. 482 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 2: I mean, the lefty. 483 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: Starters are just such an anomaly to get some good ones, 484 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 3: and I think if the Giants could develop some of 485 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 3: that and get that done. But it's going to be 486 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 3: pitching in defense. They're going to try to get more athletic. 487 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 3: But of course, you saw what happened in the World Series. 488 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: You see what happens with a lot of those playoff teams, 489 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 3: contact oriented teams, some timely hits, but first and foremost 490 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 3: was great starting pitching and the bullpens for the most part, 491 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 3: piece together. I mean, I wouldn't The Dodgers were amazing 492 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 3: out of the bullpen, but they were able to to 493 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 3: kind of mix and match and execute ultimately, But you 494 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 3: saw what the Blue Jays did that very much contact 495 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 3: oriented team. So I think it's a little bit of 496 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 3: a change in hitting philosophy. You'll try to see that 497 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 3: with some of the hitting coaches that they'll probably bring 498 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 3: on board with Tony and kind of have that kind 499 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 3: of filter down through the organization. But again, you got 500 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 3: to build winners. I think that's more important. Everyone in 501 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 3: the minor leagues knows that there's an opportunity at the 502 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 3: big league level, but you're only going to get there 503 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 3: if you're consistent, and you're athletic, and you're versatile, and 504 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 3: you learn how to win, because ultimately, it's it's not 505 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: a try league, it's a do good league in the 506 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 3: big leagues. And I think the Giants are going to 507 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 3: do everything they can this offseason try to improve in 508 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 3: those facets. But I think first and foremost it'll be 509 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 3: the starting pitching to kind of set the table for 510 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 3: everything else. 511 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: Well. 512 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: I think the Giants are on the right track hiring 513 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: a four time World Series winner that just so just 514 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: a little bit about about winning. 515 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 3: Well, I'm trying, you know, I got to I pour 516 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 3: into the cup and like I said, I'll see if 517 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 3: I'm a value add and if not, I'm okay, I 518 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 3: can bounce out of it. But I'm trying to just 519 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 3: share my insight from things I've noticed, not just on 520 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 3: the plank side, but on the broadcast side, and see 521 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 3: if some of that stuff can be used. 522 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, people don't realize we see everything up there. 523 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: Man. 524 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: We got monitors. We have the best view of the house, 525 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: and even stuff that people don't see on TV, they'll 526 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: show us on a different screen up in the booth, 527 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: so we're almost like an eye in the sky. So 528 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: that that's very valuable. 529 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the bull for me, I love being 530 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 3: able to look into the dugout. I think that is 531 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 3: one of the best shots that you and I get 532 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 3: of the vantage point that in San Francisco, when I 533 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 3: was still pitching there, we all stay together. The bullpen 534 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 3: was in the dugout and we warmed up on the field. 535 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 3: But now with that separation, you don't get that same vibe. 536 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 3: So it is kind of nice to be able to 537 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 3: peek in there and see if what your mind is 538 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 3: telling you what the interaction should look like are, whether 539 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 3: you get whether there's validation there or if there's something 540 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 3: else going on, whether it is for me, it is 541 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 3: big body language kind of thing. So you know that 542 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 3: vantage point that we can provide, I think is something 543 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 3: that I will bring in in the front office and 544 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 3: see if it sticks well. 545 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: Speaking of body language, go put your suit on and 546 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: be a front office guy and we'll let you. 547 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 2: Let's go. 548 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 3: I'm wearing I gotta wear pants and three quarter zips. 549 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 3: I think that's kind of where I gotta go, so 550 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 3: it's already a different look for me. 551 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: Hobby, thanks so much for coming on. Matt, have a 552 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: great day and I'll talk to you soon. 553 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: Buddy. 554 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 3: That pe no problem, and too bad Susan wasn't here. 555 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: But I appreciate you guys doing this and thanks for. 556 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: Having all Right, just wrap up the show real quick, 557 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: maybe unpack a little bit of what Hobby Lopez had 558 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: to say. I just think it's so cool that the 559 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: Giants are bringing winners back into the fold. When you 560 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: have people that have won World series titles, you talk 561 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: to general managers and presidents of baseball operations around baseball. 562 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: They like to surround themselves with players when they're looking 563 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: at free agents that have resume, that have been there 564 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: and done that, in won a championship, and they know 565 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: what it takes, and they know the value of of 566 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: showing up every day. They know how important attention to 567 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: detail is and what a winning player is. So to 568 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: have a guy like Hovey Lopez and another set of eyes. 569 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: I've talked to Hovey off the air, when we're at 570 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: the hotel bar, maybe after the game, or on the 571 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: bus on the way to the game, and he's one 572 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: of the most brilliant baseball minds I've ever been around. 573 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: Everything that he says makes me feel dumb when it 574 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: comes to baseball. And I say that very complimentary, because 575 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: you know, when you've been doing it your whole life, 576 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: you think you know a little bit about baseball. You know, 577 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: it's the only thing I know a little bit about. 578 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: And then when you talk to a guy like Hovey 579 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: Lopez just the way he sees the game. He's such 580 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: a good broadcaster, and he's so great at broadcasting, and 581 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: he's great at talking to the fans and you guys. 582 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,479 Speaker 1: But I think he has so much more valuable value 583 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: in the organization where he can really really get through 584 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: to some people and have that set of eyes that 585 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: knows what they're talking about. Even the stuff about body language. 586 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I could do a whole show on body language. 587 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: It's actually bled into my personal life now after baseball, 588 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: where I could see we were always looking for an advantage, 589 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: some little edge that we could get on our opponent, 590 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: whether it was tipping pitches and his glove gets bigger 591 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: on a change up, or say he's tense on the mound, 592 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: he takes a deep breath on a change up to 593 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: have a looser grip on the ball. He sets at 594 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: a different level, just the way a pitcher walks around 595 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: the mound, and pitcher's doing the same thing with us. 596 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: And so just the body language thing that he was 597 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: talking about is so intriguing to me. 598 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 2: I could probably do a whole show on it. 599 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: But it was really cool to have him on today. 600 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 1: We're gonna have Susan on on our next show, and 601 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: we are hoping that you guys are loving this. We're 602 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of big guests on, and even 603 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: when we don't have big guests on, we're gonna talk 604 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: a lot of Giants baseball and get really deep in 605 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: the weeds about what the Giants need to do and 606 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: what they're doing. And this is going to go on 607 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: during the season. So then we're going to talk about 608 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: some games and what's going on, some strategy stuff, which 609 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: I love as a broadcaster now. But it was really 610 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: cool that Hobby said about the broadcasting thing, because I've 611 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: been up in the booth before and I see a 612 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: guy tipping pitches and I've actually texted the clubhouse and said, hey, 613 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: this guy's doing X, Y and Z, and you can 614 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: you can help the ball club out during the game. 615 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: So we're all invested, we all love the Giants, and 616 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: we were really thankful to have Hobby Lopez on today. 617 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: So thanks for joining us today. We'll be back with 618 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: you this week again, so we're doing two shows a week. 619 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: We are loving this podcast. I couldn't wait to come 620 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: on the air today and I can't wait to see 621 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: you guys again. And my sign off, which was always 622 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 1: on the radio, swing hard in case you hit it.