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Speaker 1: Ron Anian.

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Speaker 2: The problem is when you drive a vehicle with a

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Speaker 2: check engine light on, other things go bad. Just like this,

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Speaker 2: It develop more problems over time. The Car Doctor, I

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Speaker 2: want you to take the ECM out of the car

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Speaker 2: and put it in the freeze. And put it in

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Speaker 2: the freezer. Really don't just don't tell mama, all right,

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Speaker 2: maybe you better should I cook it for dinner the

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Speaker 2: next day.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the radio home of ron Ananian, the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 3: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the

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Speaker 3: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 3: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 3: the phone and call in.

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Speaker 2: The garage doors are open, but I am here to

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Speaker 2: take your call at eight five five five six ninety

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Speaker 2: nine hundred and now heee.

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Speaker 3: Running.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the simple stuff today and

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Speaker 2: and start our hour here together, and thanks for stopping by.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about motor oil. It's it's it's

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Speaker 2: so simple, right. I was at the hardware store this morning,

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Speaker 2: and you know, we're getting ready for the snowstorm that's

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Speaker 2: supposed to plague the northeast. I mean, we're gonna have snowmageddon.

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Speaker 2: So I'm sure we'll get you know, one or two inches,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know, maybe we won't, maybe we will.

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Speaker 2: I you know, plow trucks ready plows on the truck.

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Speaker 2: I filled up the water bladder in the back, so

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Speaker 2: I carry an next for four hundred pounds. And I

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Speaker 2: needed to get bungee cords, so I ran over to

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Speaker 2: the local hardware store to get bungee cords. And you know,

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Speaker 2: right next to the bungee cords hanging on the on

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Speaker 2: the rack is the motor oil in the hardware store.

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Speaker 2: I guess if you know what you're looking for, that's okay.

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Speaker 2: You know, to go to a hardware store and probably

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Speaker 2: different places, different levels, or you know, assortments of oils

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Speaker 2: are founded hardware store depending upon the level that hardware

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Speaker 2: store takes it too. I'm sort of amazing. Hardware stores

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Speaker 2: seemed to have everything. They're fascinating places. You I could

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Speaker 2: sit there and walk through one for hours. It's just,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, look at that. And I was listening to

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Speaker 2: the to the vehicle owner he was looking for an oil,

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Speaker 2: and he was talking to the help in the story.

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Speaker 2: He was looking for a ten to thirty motor oil

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Speaker 2: for his twenty fifteen Volva. And it's not the fault

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Speaker 2: you know of the hardware store people. I mean they

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Speaker 2: see ten thirty. They're not mechanics, but they see ten thirty.

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Speaker 2: Ten thirty is ten thirty, but it's not. You know,

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Speaker 2: the manufacturer recommends that viscosity of oil for specific reasons,

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Speaker 2: but that isn't enough. So I listened to the whole conversation,

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Speaker 2: and you know, it just came down to where the

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Speaker 2: Volvo owner was going to put in this ten thirty

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Speaker 2: oil that was on the shelf, ten thirty synthetic, and

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Speaker 2: it was a good oil. It was Mobile one. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we've got no problems with Mobile one, right, good stuff.

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Speaker 2: But after the worker in the hardware store, you know,

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Speaker 2: after he thought they were on the way, I said, hey,

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Speaker 2: I said listen, I said, what's the back of the bottle? Say? Now,

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Speaker 2: this was an older gentleman, he's been driving a long time, right,

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Speaker 2: And he looked at me and he said, I don't

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Speaker 2: know what is it saying. I said, let's look at it.

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Speaker 2: And I took the bottle and I turned it around

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Speaker 2: and I said, you know, look it says meets or

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Speaker 2: exceeds and it listed Ford spec wc DM six dish,

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Speaker 2: and it went on and it listed the Ford specification

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Speaker 2: for it. I said, right, I said, this ten thirty synthetic,

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Speaker 2: we'll fit Ford application and it's rated for that, but

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Speaker 2: it's not rated for twenty fifteen Volvo. It doesn't say

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Speaker 2: it means Volvo spec. Now you may have to go

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Speaker 2: to Mobile One's website and look to see, you know,

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Speaker 2: does Mobile one say this is okay for Ford? In depth?

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Speaker 2: You know? And you need to know this because not

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Speaker 2: all oils are the same. Just because it says ten

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Speaker 2: thirty on the bottle and ten thirty on the oil

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Speaker 2: fill cap in your vehicle doesn't mean it's the right oil.

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Speaker 2: And I took him down the list and I explained

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Speaker 2: Everything is specific. If we're going to do this by

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Speaker 2: just kind of looked at me, and you know, he's

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Speaker 2: I said, well, and I left and didn't explain it

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Speaker 2: I just because I know what the next question is.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not trolling for people in the hardware store.

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Speaker 2: That's not what I do. I just, you know, I

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Speaker 2: I'm odd like that. I guess maybe I should tell

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Speaker 2: them about this. Should I tell about the podcast? Should

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Speaker 2: I you know, tell him, you know, plain to him

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Speaker 2: that he could go out to you know, iHeart or

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Speaker 2: any one of the possible podcast players. And you know,

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Speaker 2: if you can't hear the show locally or you want to,

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Speaker 2: your leisure. Should I tell him that he could, you know,

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Speaker 2: play it back as a podcast.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I should start doing that. But the point becomes

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Speaker 2: that I'm really after here is that motor oil is

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Speaker 2: very specific. You've got to learn to read the back

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Speaker 2: of the bottle, all right, read the directions, as we

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Speaker 2: like to say, what does it say? And you'll find

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Speaker 2: the right oil for the vehicle. And those numbers in

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Speaker 2: letters A P I s N, A p I s M.

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Speaker 2: You know, the different classifications by SAE, the the governing

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Speaker 2: required or meet and exceed and for each individual engine

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Speaker 2: and manufacturer. Well, that stuff's important. Like I keep telling you,

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Speaker 2: the next time you're in the in the grocery store

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Speaker 2: and start reading the backs of oil bottles. It's fascinating,

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Speaker 2: it really is. You know. I've read reports from several

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Speaker 2: industry experts that they're all convinced and I don't know

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Speaker 2: that they're wrong. That says it's doubt for anybody's getting

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Speaker 2: the right oil for their vehicle because it's so specific.

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Speaker 2: So just just something to be aware of. And on

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Speaker 2: that note, right, and what sort of triggered this thought

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Speaker 2: in my head is Bill rode in from white House,

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Speaker 2: New Jersey. Hey, Ron's your listener in Riddington, New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm the one who talked to you while

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Speaker 2: I was distributing my cars to my children. The problem is,

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Speaker 2: my son in law has a twenty eighteen four three

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Speaker 2: fifty diesel. Truck Ford recommends a ten thirty for diesel,

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Speaker 2: and I should point that out. The ten thirty that

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Speaker 2: store this morning was not diesel rated. Diesel oil has

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Speaker 2: to be rated differently, and it is rated differently is However,

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Speaker 2: no one makes that in a synthetic way for a

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Speaker 2: diesel photocraft has it a conventional oil, which is fine.

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Speaker 2: a synthetic blend of ten thirty. Would that be better

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Speaker 2: than the conventional I assume yes. You know, the synthetic

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Speaker 2: blend gives you a little bit of an edge, but

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Speaker 2: it's got again, it's got to be. It just can't

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Speaker 2: be any ten thirty. I picked up three ten thirties

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Speaker 2: gentleman with the Volvo, and none of those were diesel rated,

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Speaker 2: and I was looking. It's funny how I'm always in

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Speaker 2: the right place at the right time somehow, and it

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Speaker 2: just got to be no nobody, And I've got to

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Speaker 2: tell you, Bill, I did a little research. Nobody makes

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Speaker 2: a ten to thirty synthetic. The closest thing you're going

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Speaker 2: to find in ten thirty synthetic for this twenty eighteen

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Speaker 2: with the one I found that would most likely work

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Speaker 2: because I looked at Mobile one. Mobile one does not

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Speaker 2: have an oil rated for this truck. Royal Purple, Royalpurple

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Speaker 2: dot Com, Royal Purple Motoroil has an oil rated for

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Speaker 2: this truck. And you know, you can go out there

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Speaker 2: They've got a ten thirty conventional, they've got a ten

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Speaker 2: thirty performance upgrade level. And I'm not sure. I didn't

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Speaker 2: have a whole lot of time. I'm not sure that

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Speaker 2: they have a synthetic. But at least it's rated for diesel,

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Speaker 2: because diesel oil is very different in this requirements and

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Speaker 2: you have to make sure that you hit that mark.

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Speaker 2: That's very important. And you know, Bill goes on to

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Speaker 2: talk about how the different viscosities that Ford rates it for.

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Speaker 2: You have to meet certain temperatures that five forty is

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Speaker 2: recommended and it can be used when it gets down

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Speaker 2: which you can't. You can get a five to forty

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Speaker 2: full synthetic. There's also a fifteen forty out there. The

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Speaker 2: majority of diesel guys and you know this goes against

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Speaker 2: everything I just said. The majority of diesel guys that

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Speaker 2: forty shell rotella and they do make that in a synthetic.

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Speaker 2: And that's another oil line you can go look at.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it's it's very difficult you have to

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Speaker 2: find you know, you can use what the manufacturer says,

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Speaker 2: like Ford will obviously make an oil to meet their

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Speaker 2: upgrade and performance to go into you know, possibly a

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Speaker 2: synthetic or something better, it gets difficult. Not everyone is

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Speaker 2: to a degree of ridiculousness, you know, a state of insanity.

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Speaker 2: As the gentleman in the hardware store said his Volvo

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Speaker 2: is now burning oil ever since the last tune up

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Speaker 2: know that it's got the right stuff. And I get that.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even get into the conversation with him of

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Speaker 2: should you use a high mile of oil, which which

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Speaker 2: you could try, right, you know, unfortunately, and I explained

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Speaker 2: it to him, but I don't think he understood me.

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Speaker 2: He said that he's consuming a court of oil every

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Speaker 2: thousand to twelve hundred miles, and I told him, I said,

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Speaker 2: that's gotten to be the industry standard. Now, you know,

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Speaker 2: we accept that. That seems to be an acceptable loss,

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Speaker 2: which blows my mind simply because if we're burning oil,

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Speaker 2: it's going out past the two sensors and the catalytic converters,

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Speaker 2: and what kind of damage is that doing. So uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, it really comes back to this correct viscosity,

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Speaker 2: correct API ratings, all right, synthetic or conventional, whatever manufacturer

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Speaker 2: calls for, and you know, regular oil changes. I think

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Speaker 2: these extended range oil changes are just ridiculous, and I

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Speaker 2: think they're creating more of the problems than anybody wants

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Speaker 2: to admit so, but just be aware of what you're

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Speaker 2: pouring in the tank or pouring in the engine, and

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Speaker 2: you know, make sure it's the right stuff so you

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Speaker 2: six zero nine nine zero zero. That phone number again

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Speaker 2: is eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero.

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Speaker 2: I'm ronn an Ay in the car doctor. I'll be

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Speaker 2: back right after.

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Speaker 2: Hey, let's wander over and let's go talk to James

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Speaker 2: and Delaware. James. Welcome to the car doctor, Sir, how

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Speaker 6: Hey, Ron, thanks for taking the call.

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Speaker 2: Welcome.

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Speaker 6: I'm having an issue with a two thousand and seven

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Speaker 2: So any part replaced yet, James.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I actually replaced the vent valve hill ainoided cell. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Right, let's let's just talk about this for a sec.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's just review it. And you know, if

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: It's usually when these go bad, when there's a problem,

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Speaker 2: There's also if you want get your hands on GM bulletin.

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Speaker 2: You got a pencil, Yes, take a look at GM

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Speaker 2: They talk about an updated vent valve and re routing

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Speaker 2: That's two eight, yes, sir, that's zero two eight, yes, sir.

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Speaker 2: All right, and they'll talk about differences different vent valves

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Speaker 2: It's there's nothing there, you know. And here's an advantage

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Speaker 2: And my point becomes, if you've got the purge valve

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Speaker 2: it with a wet sticky finger, all right, sir. You

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Speaker 2: you can get out to uh just go Google search

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Speaker 2: ron an Indian the Car Doctor podcast and a variety

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Speaker 2: run An Indy the car doctor here at eight five

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Speaker 2: How can I help you, sir?

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Speaker 4: Hi Ron, Yes, sir, so great to talk to you again,

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Speaker 4: and I need your help. I've got a couple This

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Speaker 4: Usually in the past, whenever that comes on, it's usually

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Speaker 4: the alternator. Well, I checked the alternator at the battery

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Speaker 4: So I would have thought that if the bad alternator

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Speaker 4: and I took it for a drive, and sure enough,

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Speaker 4: Then all of a sudden it would drop down to

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Speaker 2: While you were driving alonger while you were sitting at idle.

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Speaker 4: While I was driving.

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Speaker 2: Okay, because I want to point out this, so this,

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Speaker 4: That that's what that was going to be my next question,

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Speaker 2: Sure? The first thing, the first thing I would honestly do,

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Speaker 2: Mark is I'd scan, I'd scan for codes, I'd do

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Speaker 2: No, I want you to do. I want you to

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Speaker 4: That's that's another thing that that comes on intermittently, right?

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Speaker 2: Well, is that related to if the voltage? You got

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Speaker 2: Think about your house, how many computers you got in

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Speaker 2: You know you get these things called power surges and blackouts,

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Speaker 2: on They live on electrons. Brother, And if the supply

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Speaker 4: But I did notice, I did notice when it would

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Speaker 2: Usually anything can happen. It's a computer. You ever get sick,

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Speaker 2: what you suggest. Well, first thing I would do, really,

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Speaker 2: a way to do a complete vehicle scan. Here's a

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00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: candidate for a stick out your tongue and say, ah,

431
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 2: you know, let's do let's look at every module in

432
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 2: this vehicle. I don't care if they come back and

433
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 2: they say, hey, VSA light's coming on, low voltage and

434
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 2: the next one saying high voltage or low. At least

435
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 2: we know it's it's voltage, and then I can focus

436
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: on the charging system problem. All right, I don't want

437
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: to miss something because you know, because you don't have

438
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: the tools. And I'll say this as gently as I can,

439
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: Because you don't have the tools, the repair or the

440
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: vehicle or your checkbook should not suffer by misdiagnosing, right,

441
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 2: I just I just want to gather all the information,

442
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: all right, you.

443
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 4: Know, but you don't. You don't think that if I

444
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 4: and the alternator is not too hard to take out.

445
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 4: You don't think if I just took that out and

446
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 4: took it to AutoZone and had them check it and

447
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 4: if if, if they determine that it's a bad alternator,

448
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 4: then that might just solve the problem for the battery

449
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 4: light anyway, right, it.

450
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 2: Might, and it might solve the problem for the rest

451
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: of the lights. But you don't know that.

452
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 4: Okay, So I've really got nothing to lose if I,

453
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 4: if I take it in, I've got nothing to lose

454
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 4: as long.

455
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 2: As you don't make the problem worse for me, as

456
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 2: long as you don't make the problem worse. And you

457
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 2: got to remember, you're you admitted it. You said it.

458
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: It's a it's an intermittent isssue. Right, you're driving along,

459
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: it's good and then all of a sudden it's bad.

460
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 4: Well, the battery light stays on all the time, okay,

461
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 4: because you know it must be going long enough or

462
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 4: it does that. You know, it drops down the voltage

463
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 4: long enough to where that light stays on. Now it's

464
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 4: I if I was getting a good charge for a

465
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 4: day or so the light, the light would probably go off.

466
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 2: Well, unless there's an issue somewhere in wiring the E

467
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: L D, the alternator, the battery. You know again, where

468
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 2: you're you're you're asking, you're asking me what the problem is,

469
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: and you're not diagnosing the whole thing. You're listen, I'm

470
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: gonna tell it to you straight. You're looking for the shortcut.

471
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 2: I get it, all right, but it doesn't always work

472
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: like that. Now you may take it to AutoZone and

473
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: they may test it and go, wow, this is bad,

474
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 2: all right, and they put an alternator on. You put

475
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 2: an alternator on it, and it's fixed. All right. You

476
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 2: guessed you didn't diagnose it, all right. And that's the

477
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: that's the line I'm trying. I'm trying to get you

478
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 2: on this side of the line. All right. Listen, there's

479
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: a there's a there's more you could do if you

480
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: look at that, if you look at the alternator, there's

481
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: a there's a white wire, white wire with a green trace.

482
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: All right. If you've got a digital voltometer, you could

483
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: monitor that and see does the computer reply vault ground

484
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: to that? When when it's applying ground, it's going to

485
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: charge the alternator. If you were too, and we've we've

486
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: done this on certain cars for diagnosis. We'll find a

487
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: section of the harness where we can snip the wire,

488
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: snip that white green at the alternator. That system should

489
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: now charge like a normal alternator does. The E L

490
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: D is now out of the system. And then obviously,

491
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 2: and then obviously you've got to you've got to do

492
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 2: this at a place where you can solder that wire

493
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 2: back together if you want to, you know, test it

494
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: like that. I'd rather do it with this, you know,

495
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: if we were in the shop, I'd do it with

496
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 2: a scope and you know, and and scan everything and

497
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: I'd have all my information at least then I know

498
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: where I'm going, all right, Right, so you know it's

499
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: it's to start changing parts, all right. I'm just going

500
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: to say this. So if you called me back in

501
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: two weeks and we're here, you remember I said this, Okay,

502
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 2: to start changing parts without completely diagnosing. You can either

503
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: fix the problem or you can start down the trip

504
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 2: down the rabbit hole with Alice. And you know, all

505
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're in wonderland, brother, and uh.

506
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 4: You know that those those two lights, the issues I'm

507
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 4: having could be related. Sure, I thought they really weren't related,

508
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 4: but they could be.

509
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: You don't know, is your elbow related to you being sick?

510
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: Or is it there because it's just because you fell

511
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 2: on it. You don't know, you know, it's it's you're assuming.

512
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: Assumption is a very dangerous word, both on radio and

513
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: in the shop.

514
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 4: So all right, kiddo, Okay, thanks, thanks a lot, Ron.

515
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 4: I appreciate it always.

516
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 2: You're very welcome, sir. No, I get it. Listen, I'm

517
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: just trying to. I'm just trying to, you know, pull

518
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: you along, come on to come on to the ron side.

519
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: All right, you'll be well, you'll you'll let me know

520
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: what happens, Yes, sir, be well, I'm running Indy in

521
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: the car doctor. We're back right after this. Welcome back,

522
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: running of the card Doctor. Let's go over and talk

523
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: to Jeremy down in DC. Jeremy, Welcome to the car doctor, sir.

524
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: What's going on?

525
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm dealing with my sisters two thousand and seven

526
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: highlander that has two hundred and fifty thousand miles.

527
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: On it just broken in.

528
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: And uh hey yeah, I'm telling you this was a

529
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: good year for them and this past safety inspection. She

530
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: lives in Virginia, so they actually still do safety inspections it.

531
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: The bushings on the lower control arms failed and I

532
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: totally concur their shot and I'm like, okay, where we'll

533
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: go get that replaced? Well, then I looked up in

534
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: the shop manuel what that entails. According to them, the

535
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: first line remove engine and transmission. And I'm like, that

536
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: ain't good. And so it's like it's calling for like

537
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: fourteen hours a side or whatever. And now I've looked

538
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: on YouTube, and you know, you can do it in

539
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: your driveway with a jack, you know, floor jack and

540
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: some jack stands just by kind of getting the engine

541
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: up a little ways and you know, undoing the mounts

542
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 1: and whatever. Right, And I've pretty much resigned myself to

543
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: me having to do this myself. But would you suspect

544
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: that any shop I take it too, they're gonna be

545
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: gone by that book time, whether or not you actually

546
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: need to pull out the whole engine.

547
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: And I think it's a I think it's a point

548
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: of common sense, Jeremy. You know, if because I've been

549
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: I've been in this situation. You know, there are some

550
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: things Toyota doesn't do a lot wrong, but every once

551
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: in a while, they get one that's like a dumb

552
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: moment where I think the engineer was sleeping and you

553
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: know you run into this and yeah, you know you

554
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: look at book time, but book time is useless too.

555
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: The car's fifteen years old, how much rust and crudd

556
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: and yeah, you know it might be twenty hours. You know,

557
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: it might be easier to cut the head off the bolt,

558
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: drive it out with a pin, and then figure out

559
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: how you're going to get the bolt back in without

560
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: moving anything. You know, there's there's one hundred ways to

561
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: approach this. Here's a classic example. And I know what

562
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: you're getting to. It's it's it's book time versus well,

563
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: you know, there's book time, there's warranty time, and then

564
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: there's actual time. You know, around the shop we call

565
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: it ron's world, real world and actual time like you know,

566
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: or or manufacturer's time. You know, it's this is where

567
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: it's so so important that you have that relationship with

568
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: the guy. Hey, you know, you know it's whoever your

569
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: sister's mechanic is. You know, he listened. He's been working

570
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: on the car up till now, all right, and you

571
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: know he knows the car, he knows what to expect.

572
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: You know, he's gonna you know, if he puts five

573
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: hours in it, he's gonna charge you five hours. Maybe

574
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: he's gonna charge you seven because he knows the tricks,

575
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: because he's done it a hundred times, you know, so

576
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: he does it in five, but he charges you seven

577
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: because there's also perceived value. What's the job worth if

578
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: doing it by the manufacturer's method is fifteen hundred dollars

579
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: in labor, and somebody knows a trick and they want

580
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: to do it for a thousand, but it really really

581
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: takes them five hundred dollars worth of time. It's still

582
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: a bargain, right.

583
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: That's right. You think it would be worth my will

584
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: while to call my mechanic and just run it by him.

585
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 6: Sure?

586
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Listen. Do you know how many times in the

587
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: course of a week I talk to people, you know

588
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: that I'm not at actually fixing the car, but regular customers,

589
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: maybe they're out of town, maybe they're I love letting

590
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: people work on their own cars. It's great because you

591
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: know what it does, It convinces them they're crazy and

592
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: I'm not. All right, it's there's there's nothing like that, right, Yeah,

593
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: there's nothing like letting somebody work on their own car.

594
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: You know what, if I could find a way to

595
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: sell popcorn and tickets, I'd line them up out in

596
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: the driveway and just sit down and shoot videos all

597
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: day long and put them up on YouTube. It'd be great.

598
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: But I'm not cruel like that.

599
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: I'm line man.

600
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: I You know, I keep thinking, one of these days,

601
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do car Doctor boot camp. You know, a

602
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: week with the car Doctor. You're gonna You're gonna pay

603
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: five hundred bucks to spend a week with the car Doctor.

604
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna teach you a few things, and at the

605
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: end of the week, you gotta do your own oil change,

606
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: and I judge you on it. You get to drink,

607
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: You get to drink rotten coffee. You get a good

608
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: T shirt, and you get to eat mechanic lunches all

609
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: week long and have people yelling, you know, jump up

610
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 2: and down and watch Ron throw them out. So but anytime, buddy,

611
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: all right.

612
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: Do you mind if I ask one more, one more

613
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: small question.

614
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Sit tight hang on when we

615
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: come back. All right, I'm running any of the car Doctor.

616
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: We're back right after this. Who's We're back? Running any

617
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: of the car, Doctor Jeremy, you're still there, sir, Yes,

618
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: I am. You ask your question quick, and then I

619
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: want to respond to the first half of our conversation.

620
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: Go ahead, okay, quick question it is. You know, she's

621
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: only going to try to keep this car for another year,

622
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: year and a half and it normally I only go

623
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: OEM parts. But the price differential on this one is

624
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: so substantial. Do you think I can get away with my,

625
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, doing some after market on this for just

626
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: another year and a half or so.

627
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: If you're gonna do after market, I would do Moog

628
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: m O G all right. You know, I find I

629
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: find some of the aftermarket stuff is junk and it

630
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: just doesn't hold up, So I would I would go

631
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: with Moove. At least you're getting a move ball joint,

632
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: and you know you're getting the quality of a Moog bushing.

633
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: You know, we see very few problems with them, so

634
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: I think that kind of makes sense, you know, going

635
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: back to the first part of the question about what's

636
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: this job worth to charge? You know, if the book

637
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: says fourteen hours and somebody charges you fourteen and does

638
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: it in ten in some states, they might be they

639
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: might be committing theft, right because they're they're telling you

640
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: it takes longer than it does. Well, you know, you

641
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: don't know how state laws are written. You know, I

642
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: think about this all the time. To me, take the

643
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Speaker 2: book in some cases and here's an example of it,

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Speaker 2: and throw it away. It doesn't do you any good.

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Speaker 2: What's this job worth? Well, you know the guy that's

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Speaker 2: done it fifty times, he knows all the shortcuts. He

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Speaker 2: knows what he can and can't make and can't do,

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Speaker 2: and he can make the job work. You know, if

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Speaker 2: the flat rate and manual, if the book time says

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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars based on the shop labor eight and

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Speaker 2: the guy can do it for a grand but it

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Speaker 2: really only takes them three hours. Do you care? You're

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Speaker 2: saving five hundred bucks. You're going to him because of

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Speaker 2: their expertise, right, And and that's a huge part of

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Speaker 2: order repair. And this is an example of this is

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Speaker 2: a huge part that relationship that you build with the mechanic.

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Speaker 2: You know, it boggles my mind. And I'm gonna talk

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Speaker 2: egotistical for a second, so I'm just warning you. How

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Speaker 2: many people beat their way to my door, all right

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Speaker 2: to have me fix something, and then they argue with

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Speaker 2: me about the process, they argue with me about the cost,

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Speaker 2: they argue with me, Then what are you doing here?

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Speaker 2: You know, have the relationship with somebody, Jeremy, Go talk

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Speaker 2: to your mechanic. That's what he or she is there for,

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Speaker 2: to help solve the problem, all right. And if they don't,

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Speaker 2: then you know, that's that's part of the shop's obligation.

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Speaker 2: That's what they're supposed to do. They're supposed to guide

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Speaker 2: you in times of trouble. You know, it doesn't offend

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Speaker 2: me if somebody came to me and said, hey, I

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Speaker 2: tried to fix this on my own and I can't

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Speaker 2: because you know what, you know what you just learned, Jeremy,

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Speaker 2: you don't want to do this. You just want to

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Speaker 2: fix it right and and and that's the and that's

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Speaker 2: the biggest plus. You know, anybody can walk away with.

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Speaker 2: So there's never a time more critical now to have

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Speaker 2: a good relationship with a mechanic going forward, because it's

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Speaker 2: only going to get harder from here and you need

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Speaker 2: to establish that because, as the car doctor always says,

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Speaker 2: good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you