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Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country.

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Speaker 2: This is episode two of the Inside the Draft podcast.

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Speaker 2: You're in the Colts Audio Network. Thanks for joining along today.

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Speaker 2: I'm Matt Taylor inside the Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio studio,

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Speaker 2: and we are here with you within this series in

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Speaker 2: the months of March and April leading up to the draft,

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five Draft. It's going to begin on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: April twenty fourth and run until the twenty sixth, and

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Speaker 2: the Colts hold seven picks in this year's draft as

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Speaker 2: of right now, including a pick in every round. NFL

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Speaker 2: free agency that started this week. For the latest on

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Speaker 2: the NFL free agent moves, the Colts have made circle

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Speaker 2: back to Colts dot Com for the latest there. But

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Speaker 2: we're bringing in draft experts from around the country this

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Speaker 2: time of year to discuss the Colts' biggest needs, the

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Speaker 2: top prospects in the draft, in which players might make

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Speaker 2: sense for the Colts in the first round. Today, we're

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Speaker 2: bringing in two great conversations we had recently at the

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Speaker 2: NFL Combine. CBS Draft insider Emory Hunt is going to

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Speaker 2: join US as well Dalton Wasserman, NFL Draft insider in

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Speaker 2: the host of the College Football show for Pro Football Focus.

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Speaker 2: We spoke to both of those gentlemen on radio row

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Speaker 2: at the Combine a few weeks back, and both guys

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Speaker 2: are really plugged into this draft class in terms of

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Speaker 2: its strengths and weaknesses. So let's start first with Emory

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Speaker 2: Hunt from CBS. He's one of our favorites with us

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Speaker 2: on this series on an annual basis this time of year,

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Speaker 2: and he begins with how he views this draft class

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Speaker 2: and the eyes of the Colts and what they need

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Speaker 2: to prioritize in the first few rounds this year.

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Speaker 3: I would say impact players. And listen, one year we're

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Speaker 3: talking about the quarterback. One year we're talking about pass rusher.

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Speaker 3: You kind of solve those two things. You got a

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Speaker 3: rich you know, one year, you got a lot too.

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Speaker 3: Another year, now you just need a playmaker that could

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Speaker 3: be on either side of the football. And I know

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Speaker 3: a lot of people are looking at, well, how can

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Speaker 3: we help Anthony Richardson get to the next step. You

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Speaker 3: kind of got to give him a safety valve, a

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Speaker 3: nice safety blanket that sounds like tight end to me.

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Speaker 3: That sounds like one of these top tier tight ends

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Speaker 3: that's in this draft class. I know everybody focuses on

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Speaker 3: Tala Warren just fiblu so Lovelin is a.

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Speaker 4: Good one, Helm is a good one.

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Speaker 3: Any one of those works for me, for Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 3: But on defense, how about another corner? You know I'm

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Speaker 3: big on can you score? Can you take the ball away?

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Speaker 3: And if you could do either one of those two things,

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Speaker 2: And those are the things that obviously go high in

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Speaker 2: the first round in every draft, right, Guys that can

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Speaker 2: put into the end zone, Guys that take it out

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Speaker 2: of the end zone. With that being said, where are

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Speaker 2: all the wide receivers? Why is the wide receiver class

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Speaker 2: then not coveted in prioritized like we've seen in years past.

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Speaker 3: I think it's because of who's at the top. And

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Speaker 3: usually when people talk about a depth, the depth of

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Speaker 3: a class, they speak in terms of the top guys,

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Speaker 3: but they don't speak in terms of the middle parts

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Speaker 3: the draft is won or lost. You know, even into

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Speaker 3: the eighth round, you're undrafted rookie free agents, which is

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Speaker 3: where the coaches tend to have excelled in recent years,

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Speaker 3: the Day three picks and undrafted rookie free agency. So

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Speaker 3: this is still and you talk to the right guy

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Speaker 3: because I'm listen, I'm uh that I cover.

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Speaker 4: More than most.

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Speaker 3: So you're the diamond and the rough guy bingo, and

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Speaker 3: so I'm I'm a draft is always deep, gay, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: And there are some great receivers here. There are some

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Speaker 3: one guy Saveon Williams out of TCU six four sixty five,

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Speaker 5: This year, you talk about wide receiver, which has been

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Speaker 5: What position do you think is going to kind of

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Speaker 4: Heavy running backs.

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Speaker 3: I feel like people and people have talked about running

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Speaker 3: Listen Bentley out of Old miss that's you know, while

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Speaker 5: Sticking with running back, what we saw this past year

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Speaker 5: top of this draft and Jenty, how excited do you

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Speaker 5: think it makes his stock after seeing what the importance

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Speaker 3: Here love the question because I am a listener of

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Speaker 3: and yes, he has to be excited because he's hitting

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Speaker 4: At the right time.

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Speaker 3: You know, Hey, people are in vogue about running backs.

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Speaker 3: Then that's where the true question lies. I will say

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Speaker 3: this though it's funny as he would take flight. The question.

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Speaker 3: The comparison I had for asking genty earlier in the

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Speaker 3: with team. Yeah, he's running through guys and breaking all

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Speaker 4: But you can't deny the fact that guy the box

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Speaker 3: Right, He's getting the football and you know, if we

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Speaker 4: So there's credit in that in and of itself.

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Speaker 3: So I think what He has shown durability, contact balance,

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Speaker 2: It's one of our draft our favorite draft experts right here.

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Speaker 2: This is Amory Hunt, NFL NFL draft insider from CBS

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Speaker 2: Sports and the owner of Football Game Plan. All right,

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Speaker 2: your top quarterback in this draft is Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 4: Correct, and you like him.

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Speaker 2: You like cam Ward as well, But what is the

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Speaker 3: Both guys are able to do what you need them

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Speaker 3: They win both Swack titles and back to back Celebration

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Speaker 3: and we saw what Colorado was under shadeur prior, and

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Speaker 3: So both guys can do the job rather well because

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Speaker 5: Now, I'll want to stick with kind of one of

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Speaker 5: the more polarizing people in this draft. You talk about Colorado,

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Speaker 5: Travis Hunter, Heisman Trophy winner, and he's expecting to try

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Speaker 2: Emory hunt with us right there. The final thing is,

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Speaker 3: They probably turned the three wins. Then puts them in

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Speaker 4: For the number one. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Heyday. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy knows this stuff right there. That's Emory

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Speaker 2: Hunt Football Game Plan, NFL Draft insider for CBS Sports,

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Speaker 2: But my man, you're not a diamond in the rough.

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Speaker 2: You congratulations on all your success, all the best the

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Speaker 2: rest of the week, and thanks is always for your time.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 6: Combine in downtown Indianapolis, getting you guys ready for this

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Speaker 6: Travis Hunter. We don't know where he's gonna play. Is

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Speaker 1: I think I'm so curious to see for that group,

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Speaker 1: We know it's not as talented a class as it

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Speaker 6: Position wise, in this draft Alton, position wise, where's the depth,

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Speaker 6: where's the beef? You can get guys starters, third and

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Speaker 1: But if you need defensive linemen, and now everybody's gonna

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Speaker 1: offensive heavy. I still think these two guys would be

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Speaker 1: first round. Okay, they're very special talents in their own way.

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Speaker 1: I think Warren much in the George Kittle mold of

439
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Speaker 1: just like toughness personified breaking tackles after the catch. He

440
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Speaker 1: had a line today about how he wears number forty

441
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Speaker 1: four because his dad's favorite player back the day was

442
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Speaker 1: John Riggins, and he used to tell he used to

443
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Speaker 1: tell Tyler, he goes, when you run the football, you

444
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Speaker 1: run it like that. And so it's like it's that thing.

445
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Speaker 1: You have this guy with this John Riggins attitude playing

446
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Speaker 1: tight end. And then Loveland's a little bit different. He's

447
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Speaker 1: he's a little more of a fluid, you know, an

448
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Speaker 1: agile athlete on the outside. You think about guys like

449
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Speaker 1: Kelsey and I love them. I love comparing him to t. J. Hockinson.

450
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Speaker 1: I think I think that's a good confer me with Loveland.

451
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Speaker 1: He's he's long, he's got great hands, just fantastic hands,

452
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Speaker 1: his hips turned. So you're looking at two different types

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Speaker 1: of players as well. And even there's gonna be some

454
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Speaker 1: that have Loveland overworn on their board. Based on what

455
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Speaker 1: they need in their offense. But I think when you

456
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Speaker 1: have players that talented at any position, those two would

457
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Speaker 1: have been first round picks in any given year.

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Speaker 4: They're just that good.

459
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Speaker 6: Loveland playing banged up though a little bit. Let's you

460
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Speaker 6: told me that off the air, and he played that

461
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Speaker 6: whole last season for the Wolverines banged up a little

462
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Speaker 6: bit because I always obviously at tight end position, you

463
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Speaker 6: want the big blocker that as well, that can catch

464
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Speaker 6: the ball in the open field.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so his arm was in a sling.

466
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Speaker 1: He had a shoulder injury he suffered way back in

467
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Speaker 1: September and actually played the whole season through it. And

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Speaker 1: the two things that you talk about with Loveland needing

469
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Speaker 1: to approve and he even said it himself as one

470
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Speaker 1: blocking but if your shoulders bothering you, obviously you're not

471
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Speaker 1: going to be one hundred percent two picking up yards

472
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Speaker 1: after the catch and breaking tackles both are things that

473
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Speaker 1: a shoulder injury can affect. And he finally after the

474
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Speaker 1: season had surgery. I'm not sure if we're going to

475
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Speaker 1: see him work out, because he said his doctors may

476
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Speaker 1: have cleared him for non contact. I don't know if

477
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Speaker 1: we're going to see him this weekend. But those can

478
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Speaker 1: definitely affect it, right, and he's is he going to

479
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Speaker 1: be the most dominant blockers, say, like somebody like Warren

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Speaker 1: His Warren's a little bit better, a little more physical

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Speaker 1: on the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 4: No, but it's it adds that piece.

483
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Speaker 1: If he can be the one tight end out there

484
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Speaker 1: and do a little bit of everything, it really helps.

485
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Speaker 4: Sticking with tight end.

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Speaker 5: One of the guys that's kind of been polarizing because

487
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Speaker 5: of his statistics last year. But he comes from Bowling

488
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Speaker 5: Green and Fan and where do you see him stacking up?

489
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Speaker 5: And I mean it's it's a big jump going from

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Speaker 5: you know, the level he was playing to the NFL.

491
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Speaker 5: But is that a guy that realistically, you know, being

492
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Speaker 5: like the third fourth tight end taken in this draft.

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Speaker 1: I think it's possible, because you know, playing down there

494
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Speaker 1: in the back and dominating the way he did, he's

495
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Speaker 1: actually the we've been We've been great in college since

496
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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. He's our highest graded tight end ever for

497
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Speaker 1: his career for US he twenty fourteen, So certainly the

498
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Speaker 1: productions there, his skill set, He's like a running back

499
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Speaker 1: with the ball in his hands, playing tight end, but

500
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Speaker 1: he needs to prove he's at least an above average

501
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Speaker 1: or a plus athlete out here. I was down at

502
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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl watching him compared with guys like Terrence Ferguson,

503
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Speaker 1: Mason Taylor, Elijah Royal, and I thought he was just

504
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Speaker 1: okay that week, even got a little work at fullback. So,

505
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Speaker 1: you know, I think about immediately, is he more of

506
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Speaker 1: a role player in the sense of a John hus

507
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 1: Smith right, something like that, a guy who you just

508
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Speaker 1: find to find six or eight ways to get the

509
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Speaker 1: ball in his hands and kind of move him around

510
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Speaker 1: the formation a little bit. He's not big enough that

511
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Speaker 1: he's going to be like your feature tight end, like

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Speaker 1: a Tyler Warren. But if he comes out here and

513
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Speaker 1: Tesswell improves, he's a plus athlete. I think that helps

514
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Speaker 1: him a lot. That's a lot of the mystery figuring

515
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Speaker 1: out how he, you know, dominated that level of competition

516
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Speaker 1: and then making.

517
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Speaker 4: The jump to the NFL.

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Speaker 6: From Pro Football Focus, Dalton Wasserman follow him on Twitter

519
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Speaker 6: x at PFF Underscore Dalton. You know lou Anaruma and

520
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Speaker 6: his defense. We saw him beat Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow

521
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Speaker 6: back in the day. I mean, we saw what he

522
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Speaker 6: did with the Chiefs on the Super Bowl run. He's

523
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Speaker 6: now the DC here. You've got Nick Cross back there.

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Speaker 6: We have some talent in this draft at the safety position.

525
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Speaker 6: Is there a plug in and play cult By the way,

526
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Speaker 6: had the fourteenth overall pick plug in and play at

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Speaker 6: the safety position for this draft? Is he available?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of them. If you're talking

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Speaker 1: about the first round, the big talk is going to

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Speaker 1: be a Malachai Starks from Georgia.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: A versatile player can get in the slots, some can play,

534
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Speaker 1: you know, especially in a deep half that kind of

535
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Speaker 1: too high shell that Ana Rumo likes a lot. I

536
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Speaker 1: think I think Starks as somebody, if available at fourteen,

537
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Speaker 1: that he would consider. And then, you know, I think

538
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Speaker 1: a couple more guys that intrigue me. If you're talking

539
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Speaker 1: about day two, pick Xavier Watts from Notre Dame and

540
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Speaker 1: absolute ballhawk, right, and it's and he would allow him

541
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Speaker 1: to get kind of in some of those single high

542
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Speaker 1: looks and mix it up, because that's really the one

543
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Speaker 1: thing that always impresses me with Ana Roumo's defense is

544
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Speaker 1: the ability to kind of be that chameleon and change

545
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Speaker 1: things a week to week. One week we're dropping eight

546
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Speaker 1: in Russian three, then we're maybe a heavy cover two team,

547
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Speaker 1: then we're blitzing a lot of another week. So I think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna want versatile players who can play multiple roles.

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Speaker 4: Starks would fill that early.

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Speaker 1: I think about Xavier Wats from Notre Dame, and I

551
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Speaker 1: know he didn't play much this year, but Kevin Winston

552
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Speaker 1: junior from Penn State, who had a knee injury partially

553
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Speaker 1: torn ACL this year, elected to get surgery and basically

554
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Speaker 1: sit out the year after playing only two games, but

555
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Speaker 1: one of the best safeties in the country in twenty

556
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Speaker 1: twenty three, I think a players getting kind of underrated.

557
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Speaker 1: His talent level is really good and he can do

558
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Speaker 1: a lot of things.

559
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Speaker 6: For you, Dalton, when you talk about this draft, it's

560
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Speaker 6: kind of funny. We were talking about a guy from Louisville,

561
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Speaker 6: the quarterback down there, twenty seven year old kid coming out,

562
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Speaker 6: you know, gonna be a rookie at that age. But

563
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Speaker 6: at the same time, got a whole laundry list of

564
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Speaker 6: twenty year olds in this draft. Are there some talented

565
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Speaker 6: twenty year olds and do you see that as the

566
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Speaker 6: route from here?

567
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Speaker 4: On out.

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Speaker 6: As far as the draft goes, do whatever you can

569
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Speaker 6: to get into the league at that twenty year mark,

570
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Speaker 6: just under the you know what is required for NFL players.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it depends on the situation with

572
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Speaker 1: those guys, you know, kind of where their stock is

573
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Speaker 1: at and what type of year they're coming off of.

574
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Speaker 1: Right when you talk about say Harold Fan and Junior,

575
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Speaker 1: you're still twenty years old, right, You're talking about a

576
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Speaker 1: year where we just set the FBS record for yards

577
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Speaker 1: by a tight end. You come off a year like that,

578
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Speaker 1: you have no reason to go back to Bowling Green

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Speaker 1: unless or unless a Power five schools offering you a

580
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Speaker 1: boatload of money. You don't know, and those it's a

581
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Speaker 1: financial decision too now, right with the nil and so on.

582
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Speaker 1: We've heard rumors since the college season ended about, well,

583
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Speaker 1: this guy's got a transfer offer, is he gonna declare?

584
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Speaker 1: Is he gonna take five million dollars elsewhere?

585
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Speaker 4: You know things? We hear those rumors all the time.

586
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Speaker 1: But no, I think about you, and it's part of

587
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,479
Speaker 1: the process, right, is that is figuring out the projection

588
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Speaker 1: for that even a kid like Mason Taylor, who I

589
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Speaker 1: believe is still twenty and you go, yeah, he's really

590
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Speaker 1: talented and there's still some to go. If you have

591
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Speaker 1: time to develop a kid like that, it could pay

592
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Speaker 1: off in a big way. But I think it's gonna

593
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Speaker 1: it's obviously it's gonna start getting younger as the more

594
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Speaker 1: we get away from those COVID the COVID season and

595
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Speaker 1: guys getting the waivers. That's why Tyler Shuck, like you

596
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Speaker 1: mentioned from Louisville, was in his sixth or seventh college season,

597
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Speaker 1: and he's I think he's older than Trevor Lawrence is

598
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Speaker 1: at the step. Yet he's older than Trevor. I think

599
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Speaker 1: he was in the same high school class and he

600
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Speaker 1: was at three different schools. He had a lot of

601
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Speaker 1: got injury waivers too. He had a lot of injuries

602
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Speaker 1: early in his career. This was really the first full

603
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Speaker 1: season he's played. But you're gonna get away from that

604
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Speaker 1: a little bit. There's gonna be less waivers in the

605
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Speaker 1: extra Everybody that played during twenty twenty basically got a

606
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Speaker 1: free pass on that year. So it's gonna get younger again.

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Speaker 1: And that's always a decision. Do we want to take

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Speaker 1: a super young kid and develop them. Do we have

609
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Speaker 1: time to do that or do we need an older

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Speaker 1: impact start right now?

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Speaker 6: Does any nil money come into any sort of projection

612
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Speaker 6: that you have with players? The reason I'm saying that

613
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Speaker 6: is back in the day, not too long ago, you know,

614
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Speaker 6: you were getting money where you could and your college athlete,

615
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Speaker 6: you know what I mean, mom and dad included and everything.

616
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Speaker 6: Now we got this nil money. Now we got one

617
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Speaker 6: point five million dollar deals going down. Just as a guy,

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Speaker 6: as a talent surveyor like you are, is it easier

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Speaker 6: to get comfortable for these young kids when they're sitting

620
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Speaker 6: on a one five in the bank and they haven't

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Speaker 6: he taken a snap in college?

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Speaker 1: Well for sure, Because I mean, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: a lot of what happens in the interview process here

624
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Speaker 1: is are you still motivated despite having something right? And

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Speaker 1: I think you know, there's a lot of coaches that

626
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Speaker 1: talk about can you continue to improve while you're still

627
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Speaker 1: having success, while you're still winning. I think Kirby Smart

628
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Speaker 1: does a great job of getting that through to his kids. Look,

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Speaker 1: he's got he's got kids on his team with Lamborghini,

630
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Speaker 1: So I mean that's that's that's a fact. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he talked about I know he

632
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Speaker 1: doesn't have Carson Beck anymore, and here.

633
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Speaker 4: He's got a Lamborghini.

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Speaker 1: You heard about the cars not anymore he doesn't, right,

635
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Speaker 1: But no, I mean you're talking about when kids have

636
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Speaker 1: all your You see those videos of the Texas Football

637
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Speaker 1: parking lot and there's Mercedes just lined up the whole thing,

638
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: and can those kids stay motivated? I think about Travis

639
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: hunter Man I like talking today, and he was talking

640
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Speaker 1: about the You know, obviously you know him as the

641
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: superstar and all that, but he talks about the number

642
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: of things he does in isolation to keep improving, the

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Speaker 1: film study, taking care of his body, things like that,

644
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Speaker 1: kids that are motivated to that level, and he wants

645
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Speaker 1: to be a special football player despite all the glitz

646
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Speaker 1: and glamour. I mean, you saw how many people over there.

647
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Speaker 1: Everybody here was over at his presser and almost felt

648
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Speaker 1: bad for the other guys. But it's just when you

649
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Speaker 1: have that driver. I think about the way Tyler Warren

650
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Speaker 1: was talking to when you're a special football player, you

651
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Speaker 1: still have that drive despite having maybe everything in your

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Speaker 1: pockets and everything that should tell you you could ease

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Speaker 1: up a little bit. The guys that don't ease up

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Speaker 1: Those are the special ones. Those are what coaches are

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Speaker 1: looking for and scouts are looking for when they come

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Speaker 1: to these things and do these interviews.

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Speaker 5: Now, I've heard that this draft is very deep in

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Speaker 5: the running back room. The Colts have Jonathan Taylor in place,

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Speaker 5: but you're always trying to look. You got a couple

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Speaker 5: of free agents they got You're always looking for that

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Speaker 5: second guy. Are there a handful of pass catching backs

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Speaker 5: in this draft that you're gonna see start to fly

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Speaker 5: off the board in Day two, Day three?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they are. And I think it's a great class.

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Speaker 1: It's so I mean, even if you have a guy,

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Speaker 1: a starter and established starter like a Jonathan Taylor, I

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Speaker 1: think you add to the depth of that room in

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Speaker 1: this draft for any team. And I think I think

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Speaker 1: teams that are really needy you could see take multiple guys.

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Speaker 4: That's how deep it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it goes twenty to maybe twenty four guys

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Speaker 1: who are gonna be potential contributors, right, But I think

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Speaker 1: about in the mid rounds, you know, if they want

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Speaker 1: to go you know, late two or early three, maybe

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Speaker 1: somebody like Treveon Henderson, really good, really explosive player from

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Speaker 1: Ohio State who can catch the football.

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Speaker 4: Guy.

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Speaker 1: I really like that. I think is getting slept on

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Speaker 1: a little bit. You'll seehim mountain drills. I think tear

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Speaker 1: it up. This week is Brishard Smith from SMU. He's

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Speaker 1: a former receiver at Miami. It comes so natural to him.

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Speaker 1: But this year moved a running back full time and

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Speaker 1: had a great year at SMU. A really look a

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Speaker 1: thinner player. He's not gonna, you know, get twenty five

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Speaker 1: thirty touches game. It's not gonna be that workhorse. But

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Speaker 1: I think for twelve you guys, you know a guy

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Speaker 1: I just camped him to when I was scouting him,

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Speaker 1: was you guys had Naim Hines.

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Speaker 4: No, he's very much like that.

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Speaker 1: I remember Naim Hines when he would go line up

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Speaker 1: out at receiver more than a lot of other backs would,

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Speaker 1: and he was a really versatile player. Kick returning helps

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Speaker 1: Tubershard was taking some kick returns at the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: as well. I think he can be that kind of Naim,

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Speaker 1: not that Naim Hines kind of compliment to Taylor for

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Speaker 1: you know, let's say twelve to fifteen touches a game.

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Speaker 1: He's got electric feet, man. I'm telling you, he's quick.

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Speaker 1: As he's quick as anything. He could cut on a dime.

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Speaker 1: He's got great hands, he can run routes. I think

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Speaker 1: that's the type of player that's you know, you want

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Speaker 1: to diversify the rumor a little bit, right If you

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Speaker 1: get a pass catching back in that offense, I think

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Speaker 1: will help a lot.

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Speaker 5: My last thing for you, when we talk about quarterbacks,

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Speaker 5: the two guys at the top are going to be

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Speaker 5: the guys that are go. Whether it's cam Ward or

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Speaker 5: Shador Sanders, which one do you think has the most

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Speaker 5: longevity in the league. We've got the traits for both,

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Speaker 5: but we look at this draft class in five years,

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Speaker 5: who is the quarterback we're still talking about.

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Speaker 4: I leaned.

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Speaker 1: I leaned towards Shaduur and I think they're extremely close.

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Speaker 1: Cam Cam is awesome. I mean, when you talk about

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Speaker 1: a playmaker, a guy with absolute swagger, just a level

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Speaker 1: of swagger that not many of them have. I got

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Speaker 1: to be on the field for a good chunk of

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Speaker 1: when they went to Louisville and play at Louisville, and

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Speaker 1: even when Louisville was throwing punches. We've got a high scoring,

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Speaker 1: shootout type game. And Cam's on the sideline with no pulse.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's so cool to see big big

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Speaker 1: moments will will not will not make him nervous at all.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so I think Cam is awesome. He's got

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Speaker 1: the arm talent, he can move. He's very very confident.

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Speaker 4: Shauduur.

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Speaker 1: For me, I just think, you know, he's not the

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Speaker 1: most impressive physically six to one, he's two h five

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Speaker 1: or somewhere around there. He's not a blazer when it

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Speaker 1: comes to running. He can improvise a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: think he gets he gets a lot of flak for

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Speaker 1: taking sex, but he also played on a team that

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Speaker 1: didn't run the ball at all, so he.

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Speaker 4: Really had to carry it.

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Speaker 1: But it's the three things that and I find it

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Speaker 1: interesting that Brian Callahan talked about the other day and

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Speaker 1: his presser three things he looks for in a quarterback

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Speaker 1: decision making, accuracy, timing, those lee, those traits.

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Speaker 7: If you're looking at those three, just lean a little

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Speaker 7: bit the tee Lea's He's I see it. They lean

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Speaker 7: a little bit more towards Shaduur. Now, he got plenty

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Speaker 7: of Abdul Carter questions. You know, I know there's some

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Speaker 7: people upset that Shadour is not throwing here this weekend,

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Speaker 7: but that doesn't bother me too much. I mean, we

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Speaker 7: saw the top three guys didn't throw here last year either,

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Speaker 7: So I think Shauduur, despite all the glitz and glamour

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Speaker 7: and his dad and everything out there at Colorado, he

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Speaker 7: sees the field so well. I mean, he thinks like

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Speaker 7: an NFL quarterbacks. He's been around Tom Brady a good amount,

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Speaker 7: you know, over the last few years, and I think

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Speaker 7: when you really, when teams get behind the scenes and

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Speaker 7: get him on the board and get him reading defenses

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Speaker 7: and doing all that, does it at an elite level.

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Speaker 7: And he had to do it in dropback situations. He

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Speaker 7: didn't get play action help. That wasn't a thing Colorado.

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Speaker 7: They were last in the country and rushing, you know,

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Speaker 7: the play calling. They just they had to get out

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Speaker 7: there and he essentially just him and Travis. They said,

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Speaker 7: go ahead, guys, the defense might show up. It might not.

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Speaker 4: There was weeks you know, where it varied.

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Speaker 1: But really, when you watch Colorado games, like when they

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Speaker 1: lost to Kansas and Kansas State, the only way to

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Speaker 1: beat him was to keep Shadeur off the field. And

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Speaker 1: that's and when that's the answer for the quarterback. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's a problem.

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