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Speaker 1: Hello, my love, it is yours truly, La La Kent.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Give Them La La Podcast. We

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Speaker 1: are fresh off of what would have been the finale

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Speaker 1: episode last week, but because we're all such a hot mess,

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Speaker 1: you get the finale tonight and I can't wait. I

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Speaker 1: actually am feeling a little nervous today because I mean

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Speaker 1: not to have Katie, Katie Hi, how are you boo?

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Speaker 2: Hi?

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Speaker 1: I have Terry Maloney and I shook to my core

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Speaker 1: because terror Bear. We watched last week's episode together. We

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Speaker 1: were together the night that we filmed the finale, what

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Speaker 1: would have been the finale, and Katie going in on

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Speaker 1: Raquel and I didn't realize that obviously. I know you're

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Speaker 1: a fucking star, but the internet went wild for you.

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Speaker 1: Oh so when you and I spoke about having you

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Speaker 1: on the podcast and then I saw that the internet

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Speaker 1: was like all about you, I started feeling nervous. I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh my.

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Speaker 3: Gosh, gosh, that's so funny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I haven't had a chance to read all the comments

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Speaker 3: or anything yet.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're getting a lot of love.

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Speaker 3: Well, I can I do a shout out? Yes, I

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Speaker 3: just I have to shout out my my Betty Danny PEELGRENO,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for your sweet text message and

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Speaker 3: showing me love. And Ryan Bailey also for always just

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Speaker 3: the support.

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Speaker 1: Two great human beings. Yes, good, I love that. Well,

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Speaker 1: You've got a lot of support.

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Speaker 3: With so many appreciation post which I daily did. It

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Speaker 3: was so cute. Yeah, I was like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: that's my real estate photo.

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Speaker 1: Terry Maloney. She's a real estate agent by day and

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Speaker 1: just savage mother by night. I love it so very

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Speaker 1: quickly we won an MTV Movie Award.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Best on Screen Team, which.

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Speaker 1: I don't really know because it's so funny. In the

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Speaker 1: photo that they chose to promote us to get people

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Speaker 1: to vote, we were all fighting in all of those photos.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, I guess depending on how you

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Speaker 2: look at it, we we make a good team, whether

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Speaker 2: we're fighting or we're getting along. So I think that's

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Speaker 2: what's good to watch.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what it's about, is that even in

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Speaker 1: our in the chaos and the fighting, we always rally

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Speaker 1: around each other when that time comes right.

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Speaker 2: So I think it was it was deserving.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I wish because that, you know, it is

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Speaker 2: such a sort of I think it's big deal. So

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Speaker 2: it's not I know, it's not like an oscar, but

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Speaker 2: in the world for us, in our world, it is

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Speaker 2: you know, to be able to have like been on

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Speaker 2: stage to accept but you know, support support the writers.

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Speaker 1: And support the writers.

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Speaker 2: Equal wages and fair wages and everything all of the above.

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Speaker 1: Do we each get a popcorn? Because I'd like to

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Speaker 1: put one in the office? Okay? Good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean we're by name.

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Speaker 1: Well I don't know. I'm like, do we just get one?

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Speaker 1: And we have to know we.

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Speaker 2: Were each nominated, but as a group, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean? Okay, yeah, so yeah, that's my understanding.

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Speaker 1: Well, can it go in my office? Please?

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Speaker 2: It's I think we're all getting.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good, Otherwise we're drawing numbers out of a hat.

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Speaker 2: No, I think, yeah, no, it's not going to be

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Speaker 1: That's all I was wondering.

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Speaker 3: Well, and esmamas are all proud of you guys, so

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Speaker 3: I mean, very very proud. I just wish, yeah, I wish,

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Speaker 3: yeah could have been there in person to really experience

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Speaker 3: the whole event. But it's still it's still a neat Let's.

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Speaker 1: Put it out there for next year. Yeah, we'll be

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Speaker 1: asked to come back to present that the writers get

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Speaker 1: exactly what they want and deserve, right, and that we're

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Speaker 1: nominated again.

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Speaker 3: I can.

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Speaker 1: Let's jump into last week's episode. Okay, so we saw

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Speaker 1: I can't get this out of my head. So Dana

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Speaker 1: referring to Raquel as a barnacle, which gave me all

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Speaker 1: her today. So Raquel is not Raquel or Rachel, She's

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Speaker 2: I know, Andy, when I was on watch, I was life.

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Speaker 2: He's like, I cannot believe that there's footage of this.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was it was all in plain sight.

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Speaker 1: But that people think it was the starting to think

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Speaker 1: Oh please, no, I.

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Speaker 2: Know anytime anyone tries to stage or self produce something,

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Speaker 2: it never works. It always backfires.

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Speaker 1: It always backfires.

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Speaker 2: And if production had cotton wind and like knew for

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Speaker 2: like they would have uncoverted, they would have they would

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Speaker 2: have beaten people to a pulp to admit to it.

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Speaker 2: That's like, that's just how it goes.

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Speaker 1: Like they don't.

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Speaker 2: They don't like let things. They would have kept cameras

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Speaker 2: But no, they like they you know, I think they

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Speaker 2: kind of were like, well, yeah, it does seem off,

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Speaker 2: but if this is really how you know, the dynamic

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Speaker 2: she doesn't seem to think that there's anything fishy going on,

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Speaker 2: then we're not going to press.

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Speaker 1: It, right, And I think we all know firsthand filming,

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Speaker 1: like when I hooked up with Ariana, they were beating

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Speaker 1: like no one let up on it. Yeah, but not

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Speaker 1: once did a producer step in because you know, yes,

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Speaker 1: it's reality TV, but news flash, y'all, it's a produced show,

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Speaker 1: all right, Okay, to break that to you, they would

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Speaker 2: Well, I think also because people are saying, well, Sina's

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Speaker 2: standing on the barnacle making out, and producers were right there.

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Speaker 2: It's like, I don't think that they were saying that

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Speaker 2: going to say anything. No, this would have if if

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Speaker 2: everyone's like, why is everyone acting so shocked and why

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Speaker 2: why is everyone so surprised if everyone knew, Because we

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Speaker 2: didn't know. We had a hunch, there was the intuition,

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Speaker 2: we had feelings, but we didn't have proof. We didn't

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Speaker 1: I like to compare it to like going to court.

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Speaker 1: You walk into court and you're like, my gut is

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Speaker 1: the jury size innocent. We had nothing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember telling you, just being like I like,

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Speaker 2: until there's evidence or physical proof or something like, there's nothing.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's just really fishy that she's flying to

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Speaker 3: I caught that before. And one time I was talking

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Speaker 3: as an outsider, I mean, yeah, I'm insider. I get

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Speaker 3: I even thought, well, this is kind of weird that

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Speaker 2: As much as that tells us that something was going on,

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Speaker 2: there still wasn't proof, and it wasn't you could go

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Speaker 1: Yes. However, when I when I told Sena about that

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Speaker 1: She did not post when she always does. That was

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Speaker 1: that was the first time ever that Sheena's mind started

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Speaker 1: So that was huge. Yeah, and that show.

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Speaker 2: It might I think it was November, was it? I

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Speaker 3: I kind of had a clothe in because I remember

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Speaker 3: you telling me about Bravo Khan when when Raquel was

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Speaker 3: When when Tommy made that comment to you when you

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Speaker 2: And following, yeah, following on them around like a little puppy

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Speaker 2: just see him just get frustrated. Yeah, that's when he said, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, he said, she she wasn't there for me.

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Speaker 3: Trust believe me, she wasn't there for me. So that

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Speaker 3: was that was, And that was in October, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: And on tonight's episode, I do call Tom aud On

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Speaker 2: that you do, Yeah, and you'll see what he says.

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Speaker 1: Tonight's episode is going to be like gut wrenching, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because so many people. Do you feel like you were

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Speaker 2: Yeah? What do you mean, of course.

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Speaker 1: By sand of All and Raquel, because I don't feel

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Speaker 1: directly affected in the sense that sand of All kept

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Speaker 1: coming for me and saying all these things to me,

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Speaker 1: and Raquel kept calling me a mistress. So for me,

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Speaker 1: I was like pissed off, but obviously like, well you

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Speaker 2: Her, but also like not giving me any kind of

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Speaker 2: She was lacking so much empathy. She could not, for

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Speaker 3: Well, it goes back to the first night we had

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Speaker 3: Remember I looked at you and I went I can't believe.

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Speaker 2: It felt it was the same thing when the first

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Speaker 2: We're callin. Is she doing that to you too, We're callin.

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Speaker 2: It was and I would like make out with him.

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Speaker 3: Just it's something that maybe I mean, it didn't even

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Speaker 1: Well, the mom where you and I don't think even

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Speaker 1: Terry You they get married, they've been together a long time.

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Speaker 1: Well she didn't grasp of it.

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Speaker 2: But this means yeah. But I think that's also why

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Speaker 2: And that can be true. Like, it's not me being

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely the truth. And no one was willing to

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Speaker 2: If if Ali hadn't come along, wasn't James in some

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Speaker 2: So like for everyone to act like, oh yeah, Schwartz

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Speaker 3: Don't you don't think she grasped.

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Speaker 2: I don't I think she didn't care to try to understand.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how she's got any sleep, to be honest,

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00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 2: but I mean, she's not human, she said, bother her.

438
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 4: Do you think she would have done this, and Schwartz

439
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 4: would have done this if there were no cameras, if

440
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 4: you guys were just a friend group.

441
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 2: I don't think so. No. I think she said at

442
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 2: one point it would be good TV and that's it.

443
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 2: And that angered me even more because I'm just like,

444
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,439
Speaker 2: oh now, it's like you just are really being just

445
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 2: careless with my feelings.

446
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 1: That can I tell you? It was when you got up.

447
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 1: We were sitting I think we went to some club.

448
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 1: This scene didn't make it in the final season, but

449
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 1: you got up and it was me, Arianna, Sheena and

450
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: the Barnacle and she said, but it would make great

451
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 1: TV and not for the like the three of us.

452
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: Arianna Sheen and myself looked at each other like, oh no,

453
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: Like this girl really thinks that we're on a different show.

454
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 1: Like we we look out for each other. Still, we're

455
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 1: filming a show and we want it to be great.

456
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 1: But we're like a real life friend group. We don't

457
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,239
Speaker 1: do things for the camera, right. We always have the

458
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: best intentions at heart.

459
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 3: People ask me that all the time, you know, how

460
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 3: much is this for real? And I said, it's all

461
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 3: for real.

462
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: But I think that's what makes vander Pump rules great. Absolutely,

463
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: is that you see us all together. I spoke to

464
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: someone yesterday and she was like, but who are like

465
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: your best friends outside of the show, And I'm like,

466
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how to break this down for you.

467
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't really have any like these are my friends. Yeah,

468
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: cameras are up or down. I'm hanging out with them, right,

469
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 1: It's not like that with every other show.

470
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you know, it's real. It's real. No, And

471
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 3: going back to your question, as a matter of fact,

472
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 3: when that whole big kiss went down as pathetic as

473
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 3: it was now visually looking at it, we didn't know then.

474
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 3: And when I say weak, because like I said, I

475
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 3: spent a lot of time with Katie and you know,

476
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 3: and it was major. Katie text me in the middle

477
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 3: of the night. I was the middle of the night

478
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 3: for me from Mexico, like just repeatedly. I mean, she

479
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 3: was so upset, so upset. I have never ever and

480
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 3: I think, Lala you probably know this, I have never

481
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 3: ever interfered in their relationship. As much time as I

482
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 3: spend with them together, I did spend with them together.

483
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 3: I never ever called Tommy out on anything or you know,

484
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 3: of course, I see all these episodes and things not happy,

485
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 3: but you know they're working it out. This is their life,

486
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 3: this is and it's never been a problem. I've never

487
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 3: ever ever stepped in. But I was so upset because

488
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 3: I was up most of the night, you know, texting

489
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 3: back and forth, and then as a mom, I can't

490
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 3: go back to sleep. And I told Katie, I said,

491
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 3: I really really really want to say something to Tommy. Now.

492
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 3: She says, you can. So I sent him what sum

493
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 3: might perceive as a rage text.

494
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,479
Speaker 1: No, it was I it was. I read it. You

495
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: sent it to Katie.

496
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was there when I was texting.

497
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, And actually I gave permission to if they wanted

498
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 3: to show it. And basically I called him out and

499
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: I said, you know why And he said pure pressure.

500
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: And I told him, I said, you know what, because

501
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 3: he knew all along. He knew, and he knew and

502
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 3: he knew, and it's like, that's not an excuse for

503
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 3: a forty year old man. No, absolutely, you know, it

504
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 3: is not an excuse whatsoever. But you know, the damage

505
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 3: had been done and the pain, you know. And I

506
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: told him, I said, you know, I never ever interfered.

507
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 3: And this is one thing that they didn't show last night.

508
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 3: In our conversation Tommy and I for the tasting, okay,

509
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 3: was that I said, I never ever interfere in your relationship.

510
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: But when it comes to this, to actually knowing what

511
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 3: you're doing intentionally, it's one thing to hurt somebody. We've

512
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 3: all said and done things in our relationships that you know,

513
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 3: I'm not proud of either, but you know, just out

514
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 3: of your little squabbling, But to intentionally hurt her and

515
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 3: cause her so much pain. I said, this is where

516
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 3: I step in, and this is where I came. There,

517
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 3: my mama, there steps in and I choose my daughter

518
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,719
Speaker 3: over you. I've never wanted to take sides in your

519
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 3: relationship and I never have.

520
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: Oh Tho, there's me chills, Terry. Wow, I can only

521
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: imagine that when Ocean gets older, if someone did that

522
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: to her. Yeah, you're getting an actual rage text because

523
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: I thought that Actually, your text was very well spoken,

524
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: it was eloquent, it was I loved it. I mean

525
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: I remember that night. I for the first time in

526
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: a very long time, I felt disgusted and my heart broke. Sorry,

527
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna.

528
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: Make me cry.

529
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: I was so angry. Yeah, and I said it to

530
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: she and I was like, I'm not going to your

531
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: rehearsal dinner. I like the fact that you all have

532
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: had a hand No one's hands are clean in this

533
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: Yes it's Tommy, and I never call him Tommy. It

534
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 1: is Tommy's fault and Raquel's fault. But at the end

535
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: of the day, everyone in this group has dirty hands,

536
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: and I won't be a part of it.

537
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: Like, not one person stepped in and said, maybe don't

538
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: maybe this isn't right. Maybe just like no one, not

539
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: one of them. Everyone was like, yeah, I mean you're single,

540
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: you're free to do it. And these are people that

541
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: were in our wedding right, that were part of our

542
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: lives from pretty much the inception of our relationship. So

543
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: again it's like, I you understand if like you don't

544
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: like me and you feel closer to tom but it's

545
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: like for them to have been on this ride with

546
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 2: us and had the conversations you know, over the years

547
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: and seeing certain things and asked me, like you don't

548
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: deserve this, Katie, Like what he's not being fair to

549
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: you or you know, just have been there through ups

550
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: and downs, un to like at the end of it

551
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 2: all have them behave this way, and that's.

552
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: What totally blew my mind. I could not comprehend how

553
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: they could be so heartless. I mean, this is a

554
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 3: real life, This is real stuff that's happening, real emotional,

555
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 3: hard stuff. It's hard enough to go through what you're

556
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 3: you know, a divorce and selling your home and all

557
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: that other stuff that goes along with it, but then

558
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 3: to cause so much pain and I mean, just I

559
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: just I couldn't comprehend it. And it's like, why are

560
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: they doing this? Why? You know, I do appreciate your

561
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: love and your support because that mant a lot. Because

562
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 3: Katie said, I feel like I have no one in

563
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 3: my corner. I feel like I'm alone in this.

564
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: You know, well, kat Katie and I had many conversations,

565
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: and I remember you saying, Katie, like, I need someone

566
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: who's completely loyal. And did you feel like when you

567
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: watched the season, because there were a lot of conversations

568
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: I had that you weren't a part of. And I

569
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: did try to explain to you like I'm here, I

570
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: know that i'm going and there's dinners that I'm having,

571
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: but I'm like one hundred percent on your team in

572
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: the sense.

573
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: I knew you. I knew you were. I wasn't. That

574
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 2: wasn't me speaking about like you necessarily, but it was

575
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 2: like going from being accepted by like everyone and feeling

576
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: like I'm part of this group, whether I'm getting along

577
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: stay with everybody, to feeling like I don't have a

578
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: place here. It wasn't necessarily saying like I don't have

579
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 2: anyone in my corner, but like it was just it

580
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: was like I was. It was very isolating.

581
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: I get it because I felt like had had they

582
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: not brought Christina on, I mean, it just would have

583
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: made you with me.

584
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: I know, and if you weren't there, couldn't be there.

585
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: It was like, oh my god.

586
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 3: And it brought tears to my eye when I saw

587
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: a play out when it aired. I can't remember what episode,

588
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: the night that it happened and everything, and you told

589
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: she and she says, what just happened to Katie happened

590
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: to me, and I feel her pain and I'm going

591
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: to be with her tonight. She's my girl. I really

592
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: brought tears to my eyes. I was watching that, yeah,

593
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: because you know, I just I know what she was

594
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: going through, and you knew what she was going through,

595
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: you know, and you had empathy and just real caring

596
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: concern and that just meant the world to me.

597
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: Well, I will always be here for you, maloney. I

598
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: love you dearly. And no one makes me laugh like Katie.

599
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm telling you what you are fucking hysterical. I want

600
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: to talk about what people did not see last night

601
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: at that dinner, because it was extremely heated the moment

602
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: that Raquel decided. So I was talking to Lisa Vanderbomb

603
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: when Raquel decides to sit down with Katie. When I

604
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: come over and sit down next to you, Terry, you

605
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: say to me, You're not gonna believe what Raquel is saying,

606
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: and so I start. You know, I got my ears open.

607
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm watching and trying my hardest because I was like,

608
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: we have turned a corner. We're not gonna crazy. On

609
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: the final night, Yeah, I my mind was blown, and

610
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I love that you told her to shut up.

611
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 3: I was embarrassed by that.

612
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 1: I know you I was.

613
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: I know you were embarrassed and Mom shouldn't be talking

614
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,479
Speaker 3: to it.

615
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: But my mom, when she watched it, said I would

616
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: have grabbed her by the neck, and I said, God's assault.

617
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 3: I had the hardest time before when you came over

618
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: and I said, you can't believe because the things that

619
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: she was saying, in the tone she was saying to Katie.

620
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: Christina Kelly was sitting to the right of me, right

621
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 3: even though it was mind I kept whispering to Christina,

622
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: please don't let me say anything.

623
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 4: Please, I was holding it in and you hadn't said

624
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 4: anything at that point.

625
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: I just it was a minute. It was a minute.

626
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: That conversation lasted a while.

627
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: Everyone around us was just sitting there listen, and I

628
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: was just That's why I eventually I looked around and

629
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: I was like, is anyone hearing this ship? Because I'm

630
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: personally just shocked there was people were gasping. I could hear,

631
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: because just for her to sit there and tell me

632
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: what she doesn't like or appreciate and how I'm handling

633
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: my relationship with Tom or like our friendship, and how

634
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: we do you know, getting involved in that when she's

635
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: been here for like I know, she's been around, she's

636
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: been in our orbit, you know, as James's girlfriend or

637
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: fiance or whatever you want to call it. But she

638
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: does not know Tom, she does not know me, she

639
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: does not know our relationship. She she has zero clue.

640
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: Now this was the season of her getting to know

641
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: this end of the of the group.

642
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: Yes, like all of a sudden, the in charge person.

643
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just so you just raged text him because

644
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: like you heard us like that we made out, Like no,

645
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: I text him about it, saying because here's the thing.

646
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 2: I know people want to say, like you were never

647
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: friends with her cow so there's no girl code. There's

648
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: no this or that.

649
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 5: There's always a girl code by well right, but okay,

650
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 5: so the thing if you if you don't know how

651
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 5: to read between lines here without me having to say it,

652
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 5: because there's a fourth wall and we don't talk about filmings.

653
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: The first rule about filming is we don't talk about

654
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: it that I did not want Tom to or don't

655
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: want but like when we agreed that it would not

656
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: be healthy, and what I didn't want to do is

657
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: talk about Tom kissing people on the show, another cast member,

658
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: because like that why like because to me, I wouldn't

659
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: do that to him and make it a storyline that

660
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: he's now got to talk about in interviews and impress

661
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: and it's on social media. Like it just was just

662
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: something that was like, can we just keep it out

663
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: of here?

664
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: Right?

665
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: You know, and he agreed. He's like, well, I don't

666
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: like who am I going to I'm not like, I'm

667
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: not into anyone. I'm like, all right, then great we

668
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: agree so like not to like make it about show stuff,

669
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: but it's like, can we keep it out of the cast?

670
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: And absolutely that's what people don't understand that.

671
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: I think we can read between the line.

672
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: But some people don't understand that, just like because now

673
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: that it happened, now I got to talk about it

674
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: and talk about it in every scene and talk about

675
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: how I feel about it, and I don't want to

676
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: do that, Like I want to heal, I want to

677
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: move on. I want us to be friends, and this

678
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: makes it difficult. Like you know, Tom had to talk

679
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: about Satchel one time after meeting, you know what I mean.

680
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: And by the way, he never would have had to

681
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: talk about him. But what I don't like is when

682
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: people choose the playing field and then when you beat them,

683
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: they suddenly don't like the game. Right, Tommy chose the

684
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: playing field, and then everyone had like an issue with

685
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: you bringing a dude around and you have a boyfriend

686
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: and you it's like, what are you talking about?

687
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 2: I brought a date I didn't break a boyfriend, like,

688
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: chill the fuck out, everyone, Chill the fuck out.

689
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: You know what really bothered me too, that when she

690
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: really struck a chord with me when you guys were

691
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: having that argument, like I said, I'm refraining, refraining refraining

692
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 3: is when she said something like and I'd appreciate it

693
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 3: if you don't Tommy about.

694
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, she says. She says, I don't really appreciate

695
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: the way, like when you threatened texting him about the dogs,

696
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: taking the dog, like I didn't threaten to take the dogs.

697
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: When we originally had a prenup. We had something in

698
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: there about the dogs, and I suggested that we may

699
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: be adhere to that so we don't have to have

700
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: constant communication, like get your facts straight, and also like

701
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: this is none of your business.

702
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 3: And I think that's.

703
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: Where back off. Your heart started pounding. And I remember

704
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: saying to Sandoval and and this was also cut out

705
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: because sand of all chimed in on that he piggybacked

706
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: off of what she was saying about the dogs. And

707
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: I said, this is what a grown up relationship looks

708
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: like when it doesn't work out. Sometimes you got to

709
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: share the dogs. Sometimes you got to share the kids.

710
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: Like it just happens and it's already messy enough. Ye,

711
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: stay the fuck out of it.

712
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, just because you took your dog and told James

713
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: to kick Rocks doesn't like right, That's not what Tom

714
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: and I were doing. So like you were like we

715
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: couldn't get along. We were like fighting constantly. So I

716
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: was like, I don't want to have to see you.

717
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to have to talk to you, So like,

718
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: let's figure out a situation where you know, And.

719
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 1: That is always a risk when you decide to part

720
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: ways from a person. It could be it could go flawless,

721
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: but there can always be a shift, and when that happens,

722
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: things gotta be switched up. And it's devastating. But it's

723
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: a world that most people on our cast cannot comprehend.

724
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: You can talk to them about this until you're blue

725
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 1: in the face, but there's not one person who's been

726
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: in a relationship where the stakes are so fucking high. Ye,

727
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: And that is frustrating to me. It's frustrating that you

728
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: have to scream at Raquel about what a husband means

729
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: and what a life together means. It's crazy to me

730
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: that we have to tell Tom to stop getting involved

731
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: and what a separation looks like now right now, they're

732
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with a house, which that is

733
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: not you know, they're gonna have to go through things

734
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: that I don't think they ever thought they'd have to

735
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: go through. But what you guys also didn't see, which

736
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: was insane.

737
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: Well yeah, because so yeah, basically things started. You can.

738
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 2: Actually it's crazy because when I watch that, I see

739
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: in a moment like you see like my chest sort

740
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 2: of like rise and then fall and that sort of minute.

741
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: The adrenaline kicks in right and I'm like, I'm gonna

742
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to light her on fire. So then my

743
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: mom gets well and then when Sandoval chimes in, so

744
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: like my brother Joey was there, you didn't really see

745
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: him around, well what because they kind of he didn't

746
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: just chime in. No, I know, I know, I'm after

747
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: getting there, I'm getting Oh. So so when Sandoval starts

748
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: going in on me and going after my mom for

749
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: telling her cal to shut up, He's just speaking in

750
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 2: ways that are so disrespectful to me and my mom.

751
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: So my brother steps in and tells him to basically

752
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: shut his mouth.

753
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: Well, what he did was is because they were standing

754
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: over there, and when I made that comment and then

755
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: he talks about Katie pulling her mom and to help

756
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: defend her and all of that, it's like, so what

757
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 3: he did is he walked over and sat across from

758
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 3: me and got in my face and told me I

759
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 3: had no right to stay out of their business and

760
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: stop making up my business. And that's when I said,

761
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 3: she's my daughter, right.

762
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: This was not shown when he didn't, but.

763
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: With his you know, house vains possing he gets, he

764
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: had that expression and he was like freaking out and

765
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 3: he was like he didn't just say it. He was

766
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 3: yelling at me. And I wasn't even aware that Joey,

767
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: my son, was back, you know, and he stepped right

768
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 3: in and came right in and was trying to calm

769
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 3: Sandoval down, and it took him a second, and then

770
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 3: he did, and just as as Joey turned around and

771
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 3: started to step out, he was back in my face again, right,

772
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: and Joey, I was so proud of him. You know,

773
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 3: you're not going to talk to my mom that way.

774
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 3: Then Joey stepped away and Sandoval came back in my

775
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: face again, and at that point I was like in hysterics.

776
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 3: I was like, this is just way too much that

777
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 3: he's I had that visual still and.

778
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: You know.

779
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: That, Joey had to step back in again and say,

780
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 3: I mean it, I'm gonna I'm gonna say.

781
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: If you say, if you say another thing to her

782
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: or to.

783
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: Her, any points at Terry, any points at at Katie.

784
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: But he does not break. He is a laser. Joey

785
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: is a laser focused on Sandival. Sandoval cannot even It's

786
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: the first time I've ever seen Sandoval cower and just

787
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: say like okay, okay, And he was like, do you

788
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: hear me? You're not going to talk to her that way?

789
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: And you're not going to talk to her that way

790
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: or you're going to have a problem.

791
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 4: It was Bravo released thing funny. Now he's the unshown

792
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 4: hero there.

793
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: And meanwhile Tom Schwartz is literally hiding in the bush.

794
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, whistling because I asked Katie afterwards, I said, where

795
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: was Tommy? And all this one you know, why didn't

796
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: he step And I mean, bless my son. I mean,

797
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 3: I just love him and I was so proud of

798
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 3: him for that.

799
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: You should be very way handled it.

800
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: And the fact that you know to protect his mama

801
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: that way. I just loved it. But Katie, I think

802
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 3: it was Sjoe that told me, oh, he was hiding

803
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: in a in a plant or something like that, and

804
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 3: I didn't know what he meant.

805
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: Until you watch, until I saw and he actually.

806
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 4: Was a moment terry where you were like you or

807
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 4: Joey or even you, Katie, You're like, our family is

808
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 4: maybe better off with Auschwartz, and maybe you don't want.

809
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 3: To at that time. No, okay, no, no no, because

810
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 3: I was still emotionally caught up. I mean, it sounds,

811
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 3: it sounds silly, but you guys, you'll experience that. I mean,

812
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 3: you know, it's hard. It took Katie a long long

813
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 3: time to get past this, and you know, it probably

814
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 3: wouldn't have taken as long it had all this stuff

815
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 3: had happen. But no, I was emotionally torn for a

816
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 3: long long time along with her. You know, we spent

817
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: many hours on the phone if I wasn't there crying

818
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 3: together and just you know. But another thing that I

819
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 3: wanted to make mention is my other son, Rocky. Katie's

820
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: brothers are extremely protective of her as well, you know,

821
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 3: and I just love them for that, but when he

822
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: he heard what had happened, that was when he posted

823
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: that video. And this is Rocky back Utocky now my

824
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 3: youngest son. Yeah, when Joey texted him and I called

825
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 3: him and someone told what had gone on and everything,

826
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 3: Rocky made a video pouring their bourb and Tom's good

827
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 3: love and bourbon and I don't know the.

828
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: Comment dumped it down the drain, and yes he did

829
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: the whole bottle, and.

830
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 3: Everybody, everybody on social media was when what the heck went?

831
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: Well?

832
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 3: That was why he wanted nothing to do with the

833
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: Toms anymore. He didn't want to support them in any

834
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 3: way because nobody, nobody talks to your mom and sisters.

835
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I was actually and and you know, I

836
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: love me a good mama, but I'm going to say

837
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: it because I'm extremely offended by sand of all thinking

838
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: it was okay to talk to you like that Raquel thing,

839
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 1: It was okay to roll her eyes at you and

840
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: say what terry. And not only did they do that,

841
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: but cut to the confessional that Tom does saying how

842
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: it was tacked hack for him for you to get involved.

843
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: What I would like to say is I think it's

844
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: tacky that your mom doesn't get involved in enough, sand

845
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: of all, I don't think she finished the job with you.

846
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: So that's a PSA announcement, sand of all, if you

847
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: could call your mama tell her she either done, fucked up,

848
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: or didn't finish the job.

849
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: I don't care.

850
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: No, it's pounding no, like you do not fuck with

851
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: a mama. But I was like, my mind, you even

852
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: asked her who raised you?

853
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

854
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: Where were you raised? Like just it's completely feral, just

855
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: in the streets, just anything goes like I don't understand this,

856
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: do you like just being again, I've said this so

857
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: many times. She's morally bankrupt just to just just done,

858
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 2: like I doesn't have any kind of compass, no direction

859
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: in terms of like how you navigate life in a

860
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: way that is ethical and appropriate, and just lacking in

861
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: every department necessary to be a decent human.

862
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: Right well, yeah, and then to think about what she

863
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: was doing behind this s that's what I mean. It

864
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: just her sitting there with with you know, I said

865
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: last on last week's podcast, You know, I don't think

866
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: she's soulless. I think she has a soul. Rewatching that

867
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: scene last night and really breaking it down when She's

868
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: at the bar with Arianna and she asks her, so

869
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: do you think you guys will work it out? And

870
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: Ariana's like, well yeah, and she like grabs her crooked

871
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: nose and is.

872
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: Like, ok okay, okay.

873
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: And in that moment I rewatched it, I was like,

874
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: oh no, I think we're dealing with a soulless uh.

875
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: Dana was talking about it being either a psycho psychopaths

876
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: are or sociopaths are born that way. Psychopaths are not.

877
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: It's what maybe it's no switches but.

878
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 2: Sister born sociopaths are made or something.

879
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: Well that just put the stamp of like, Okay, I

880
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: think we might be soulless.

881
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 4: I agree because I was on the same page as yeah.

882
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 4: And you go back and you look at the moments

883
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 4: of her, or at least I do, throughout the season,

884
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 4: and it was she's thinking all about her fuck, fuck

885
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 4: all of you. I think she would have fucked over

886
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 4: her own sister or brother whatever, because you can tell

887
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 4: she's so I'm gonna say it, she's so thirsty to

888
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 4: solidify her place on screen that I think when she

889
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 4: comes to you Laila a few episodes back, and she

890
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 4: wants to have a talk and you think she's gonna apologize,

891
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 4: and then she starts being like but you or whatever

892
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 4: she said, and you're like, wait, are you here to

893
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 4: apologize or start a fight with you, Katie? Which I

894
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 4: know I want you guys to talk about, but forcing

895
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 4: herself into these conversations and like appearing out of nowhere

896
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 4: in the sir back parking lot, it's like, oh shit,

897
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 4: it's like a jump scare.

898
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: It's like what are you doing here?

899
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 4: And the kiss with Schwartz like fuck everyone else.

900
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: It's so thirsty to.

901
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 4: Be like I'm here and I'm making a mark, and

902
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 4: it's like, well, you don't belong here, because.

903
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: That's not the vibe. That's not the vibe. This is

904
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: not season one through four. We're in a different we're

905
00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: playing a different game now.

906
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: It was it was always very disturbing to watch, and

907
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: she was in the way she played off was just

908
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: like you know what, I'm just coming into my own

909
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: I'm finding myself. This is me. I'm in my single

910
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: go era, I'm in my baddy boss whatever whatever she

911
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: was proclaiming, whatever she was proclaiming to be, it was

912
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: just like, you're not going to behave this way and

913
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 2: then throw some ridiculous like titles over it to say

914
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: that like this is what this is, this is my

915
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: whatever era you think you were in, you're just a mess.

916
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 3: I just could not comprehend, like you said. Do you

917
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: think she just didn't care? Or do you think she

918
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 3: just didn't understand? Both? Actually, I mean both. And let's

919
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 3: just put aside the fact that I'm a mom. Anybody

920
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 3: that's hurting, anybody that you've caused pain to, regardless of

921
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: what the situation is, you're you know, somebody's sitting in

922
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: front of you going, don't you get it? And you

923
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 3: know why you hurt me? And for her to be

924
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: so hurtless and just not even apologize, I mean, it

925
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 3: doesn't matter if I'm a mom or who I am.

926
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: Just let's just say you're just some viewer and I

927
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: and if.

928
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: I hurt you so much that you're sitting on and

929
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 3: in front of me telling me, guys, you hurt me

930
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: so bad, a normal person would go, I'm so sorry,

931
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 3: you know, I'm so very sad. I mean, it would

932
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 3: hurt me to know if I hurt somebody that bad,

933
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 3: even if it was intentional.

934
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: Well, even her apology in the alley, which By the way,

935
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: can we just like pay homage to the fact the

936
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: last scene pretty much being in Sirs back alley, It's.

937
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 4: Just a full circle moment iconic. She ruined that scene

938
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,959
Speaker 4: because I saw it Katie and Tom in the alley

939
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 4: and I was like, yes, we're back, baby, and then

940
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 4: she came in and I'm like, you've ruined this iconic zea.

941
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: I know that I hurt you, and the fact that

942
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: it was me hurt you even more.

943
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, what say, Tommy, it am I on right now?

944
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: Tommy sitting there going no hear her out here.

945
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: Out I don't want to hear her out I don't

946
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: want to hear her apology after she's left, and he's like, well,

947
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: didn't say that, You're like I said that, I've said it.

948
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: I said that, but like, no, when she comes, just

949
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: for her to come out there, like I've already heard

950
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: enough from you tonight, bitch, Like walk away, walk away.

951
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: We're trying to I'm trying to talk to tom now

952
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: so we can what. I don't know. I don't remember

953
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: what I was planning on saying to him or what

954
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 2: that was conversation was going to be about. But her

955
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: coming in and then them just having their little laugh.

956
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: They're like, you know, we were just like it was

957
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: just like our little lady you bro thing. We were

958
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: just like exploring and having fun. I'm like, are you

959
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: are you guys just like laughing together right now in

960
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: front of me after like everything that just went down.

961
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 2: So I just start mocking them, being like this is

962
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: so much fun, Like get all the fun we're having,

963
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: Like please go away, Like this is so weird you guys?

964
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: Are you guys have lost your damn mines, lost, lost

965
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 2: the plot, lost their minds, lost it all.

966
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: Like well, I mean, I'm sure that like the Barnacle

967
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: has a tough time reading in general, right, she ain't

968
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: gonna be reading between the lines, that's for damn sure.

969
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: She certainly ain't reading in a room. But it's like,

970
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: did you not just see Katie? Katie literally just told

971
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: you you're in fing ce you next Tuesday. And you

972
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: think this is the moment and then you laugh at her, yeah,

973
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: and then you think this is the moment when she's

974
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: in the back alley with her soon to be ex husband,

975
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: that's the moment you choose to deliver an apology, Like

976
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: I think that's when you take a step back and go,

977
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: you know what, I messed up. I'm going to give

978
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: this some breathing room and I'm going to send her

979
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: a message tomorrow that just says I get like the

980
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: level of we said it and have a sue. She's

981
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: truly insane.

982
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, she That was the weirdest I've never seen

983
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: somebody go through like a It was maniacal.

984
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: It was.

985
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: It was insane because she was We were having a

986
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: really good time in Vegas, like we had. We had

987
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: so much. So yeah, there was the comment about not

988
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 2: having a man.

989
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: We shook that so fast though.

990
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 2: It was fine. And then we and then that whole

991
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: It took us like four hours to get to have

992
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: a sue, but we had such like a bonding moment.

993
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: I was like, this is great, look at us, Gal's

994
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: coming together. And then we get to have a sue.

995
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 2: And she shows up to dinner as a completely different

996
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: person and it just all goes to shit. And then

997
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: she goes back to LA and gives a very very

998
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 2: very different version of the entire trip to everyone, and.

999
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: They all believed it and a Telly that would track,

1000
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: but that is not how it went down. I think

1001
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: what they don't understand is people can evolve, people can change,

1002
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: people can be humbled. But because that group at the

1003
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: time had never experienced those types of things, they just

1004
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: thought that Katie and I invited her on this trip

1005
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: to I don't know bully her is basically what she

1006
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: said we did. Yeah, could not have been further from

1007
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: the truth. But I remember after HAVISU and I don't

1008
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: know if I shared this with you guys or not,

1009
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: I have a scene that didn't make it with Sena

1010
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: and Ariana and I tell them how the trip went

1011
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: and what she said about not having a man, and

1012
00:48:54,320 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: they laugh about it and they talk about that being savage.

1013
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that's so savage now.

1014
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: Right, not so savage when it's your man that she's fucking.

1015
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: And by the way, I am thrilled that I have

1016
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: treated her poorly for many years because look at what

1017
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: she does to people that are nice to her, right,

1018
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 1: you know.

1019
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: That's that's why I said, Ariana is like, I don't

1020
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: I think she's broken, Like, I don't think it's like

1021
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: this is somebody who like is just does this to

1022
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: some people, not everyone. I don't think she's like I

1023
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: think she's this is a flaw in her and I

1024
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 2: would be careful, like I don't don't I know unders

1025
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: saying that she's a good friend, but like she's I

1026
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 2: think she's evil, right, I think she's truly to her

1027
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 2: core evil person.

1028
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 4: And we praised that line on last week's podcast episode

1029
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 4: because that was we totally agreed when you said that, like, this.

1030
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: Is who she is. She's showing you who she is.

1031
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 4: She doesn't just treat some people like shit and then

1032
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 4: some people wonderfully I think, and I compared it to

1033
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 4: like when you go out with someone, if they treat

1034
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 4: the waiter like shit, that's who they are. When people

1035
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 4: show you who they our, believe them, and it's usually

1036
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 4: the negative traits. And that was so spot on. It's

1037
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 4: like she's not just evil to some people and an

1038
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 4: angel to others.

1039
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 3: That's who she.

1040
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: Is and it's who and it's exactly what she was doing,

1041
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: like I know, I like and and for her to

1042
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: have that conversation with Ariana by the back bar in

1043
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 2: the last episode and trying to take temperature to see

1044
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 2: if Arianna was maybe you know, gonna try to break

1045
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 2: up a sandal or something like that, or she could

1046
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: convince her to all under the guise of trying to

1047
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: be a friend, right, Like, that's the evil. That's evilness

1048
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: right there. And so I just.

1049
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: I've never come across a person a lot of this

1050
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: nature ever, So it just again I'm still trying to

1051
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: process it all over right mind, you know, I just,

1052
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 3: I mean, she definitely needs some sort of help, help,

1053
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 3: she really really does, and that and it's that's I'm

1054
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 3: not even excusing all that she did because of it either,

1055
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 3: because it just was NonStop and you know what, I

1056
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 3: couldn't understand us all along throughout this season. You girls

1057
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: were like given the title of the mean Girls, right,

1058
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 3: but yet how was it not perceived that what she

1059
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 3: was doing was just as mean and just asking I.

1060
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: Just it comes down to, like I've brought this up

1061
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: to you, it's a likability thing because she's always been

1062
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: a likable person. She was, you know with James, and

1063
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: she was this sweet, sort of like meek person who

1064
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 2: couldn't really stand her ground, and then hear she is,

1065
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: you know, stepping out on her own and this whole thing.

1066
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 2: Were I in Lalla for the past how many years

1067
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 2: have been someone who's strong and assertive and has opinions

1068
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 2: and it's a very misogynistic thing that goes on that

1069
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: people don't whether it's male and female, that that feel

1070
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 2: this way about other women, that it just is not acceptable,

1071
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: it's not palatable. It rubs people the wrong way. It

1072
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: doesn't make you very likable. Some people admire it, what's up?

1073
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: But you know that for other people they're just like

1074
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 2: they you know, you become a bit, you become negative,

1075
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: you become difficult. It's just not like likable things. Even

1076
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: though there it is. I think it's a great quality

1077
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: to have to be. I think it is strongly, but

1078
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: to other people that can like because again, missogyny. If

1079
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: society doesn't, they don't uphold women.

1080
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 3: That do that.

1081
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: No, they want women.

1082
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: They smile and they're bubbly and they're always in a

1083
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: good mood.

1084
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And even though society says that we should be

1085
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: a certain way women and they want to empower us

1086
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: and they want to like move us up the food chain,

1087
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: the actions are proving otherwise, right, because there are consequences

1088
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: when you're vocal as a woman, when you stand for something,

1089
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: it's looked at as you know, you're volatile. She must

1090
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: be on her period, she's difficult, yes, And you know

1091
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm not willing and I know Katie's not willing to conform.

1092
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be this cookie cutter chick that

1093
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: that rubs you the right way. If I rub you

1094
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 1: the wrong way, that's a you issue that has nothing

1095
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: to do with me. Yeah, you seem to be someone

1096
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: who has a lot to hide, and when Katie and

1097
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: I come along, we're gonna sniff that shit out. So

1098
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: we immediately become a liability to you.

1099
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, we become a problem because we're not going

1100
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: to let you get by so easy.

1101
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 3: Right.

1102
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: But and then it plays in their favor because they

1103
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: can go back and say, oh, they're miserable la Lage,

1104
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: just bitter.

1105
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 3: You're right, you're not vindictive about it at least, you know,

1106
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 3: maybe because they know you both so well. But you're

1107
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 3: just no bs and you say it like it is,

1108
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 3: I know, and you're not mean about it. It's just perceived.

1109
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: It's perceived that way because people are like, well, you've

1110
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: been so mean to people that I'm like, no, I

1111
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: don't take people's shit. If someone's treating me a certain way,

1112
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to defend myself in a way that is

1113
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: a Yeah, it's assertive, and so it's not me being

1114
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 2: a bitch to somebody. You have to take an account

1115
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: what just happened before that, Like, all right, somebody's if

1116
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: somebody's coming at me or treating me away or speaking

1117
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: to me in a way, I don't just cry and

1118
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: turn myself into a victim. I will bark back like

1119
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm That's just how I am. And it's but again,

1120
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: people see.

1121
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 3: That annas Raquel puts it. Rachel oh, when she was

1122
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 3: making that comment, Oh well, yeah, now I see where

1123
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 3: Katie gets it from talking.

1124
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: You're damn right. You wish you wish your mama gave

1125
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: you what Terry Maloney gave Katie.

1126
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 3: Not only that, Katy and I both laughed and said

1127
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 3: she should be thankful.

1128
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: Sandy wasn't randma, Sandy, don't play your mom.

1129
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: Yes, Terry.

1130
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: She literally asked me back in the day when I

1131
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: had just met her, Katie and I were finally in

1132
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: a good place, and she goes, you know, I was

1133
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: just wondering because they said you gave blow jobs and

1134
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: got a rain drover, and I was genuinely curious if

1135
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 1: the technique gets you a range rover versus something else,

1136
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh shit. I was like, I

1137
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 1: don't know, should I be teaching a class?

1138
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom comes off the wall with some things.

1139
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 3: They're like, that's right.

1140
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 2: That's why I told the girls the other night that

1141
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: you know from a started at a young age, like

1142
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 2: when I was in like fourth grade, and you get

1143
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: into like little arm you know, first fights with your

1144
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: friends and stuff. She's like, you know what, you don't

1145
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 2: take that ship when that happens, you just tell them

1146
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: to eat and die.

1147
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: No, I'm telling you what. All right, you encounter the

1148
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: person like Katie or myself, you better know that that

1149
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: is generations of fucking savage women, all right, Yeah, this

1150
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: is a generational thing. Women don't just appear like me

1151
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: and Katie.

1152
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if you want if you if you don't

1153
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: want any trouble, then don't come asking for if you

1154
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 2: like again, because you know what you're gonna get with me.

1155
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,959
Speaker 1: You're gonna get the smoke. Why do people sit here

1156
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: when you start puff puff passing, You're gonna get the smell.

1157
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're doing if you're fucking with me, you're

1158
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: gonna find out.

1159
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna find out.

1160
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: Exactly because I'm not somebody that just takes that shit

1161
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 2: lying down. So don't turn around and be like, why

1162
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 2: are you being so mean? Why do you think? What

1163
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 2: have you been doing? How have you been treating me?

1164
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: Of course I don't. You're not gonna get away with

1165
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: that obviously, So like, if I'm being a bitch, it's

1166
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 2: because you're you're not being you're acting right.

1167
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,479
Speaker 1: You're not acting right. Come correct, And I will treat

1168
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: you if you treat me like a human being, if

1169
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: you're kind to me, for you can at least have

1170
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: a conversation, you know whatever, if we need to discuss.

1171
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 2: It, then we can. I'll treat you very differently. But

1172
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: if you start acting a fool and you start fucking

1173
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 2: with me, I'm but you.

1174
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: Know, and I do have to say though I shared

1175
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 3: this with Katie also as I and she knows that anyway,

1176
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 3: she's had so much growth because she does have that

1177
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 3: personality trait where no bs and sharp tongue and all

1178
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 3: of that. I mean, I'm not embarrassed to say it's

1179
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 3: not you know, a good trait of mine either, but

1180
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 3: you know it is passed down generation and it's not

1181
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 3: that I have a real sharp tongue. I can hold

1182
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 3: it in and refrain it and keep my composure somewhat

1183
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 3: like like you saw me do, because that's not really

1184
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 3: what I wanted. I really wanted to tear enter. But

1185
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 3: I see that in Katie, and it's I really admire

1186
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 3: that in you as well, Lala, when you can get

1187
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 3: it off your chest and be real, be direct. This

1188
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 3: is not you know, I don't appreciate this, whatever it is.

1189
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 3: It's confront you know, a confrontation of whatever. Keep your

1190
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 3: composure and still get it out is. And that's even

1191
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 3: a little bit more intimidating on the receiving end of

1192
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 3: it because you're saying like you're saying it like it is,

1193
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 3: but you're so composed, And it's just I see that

1194
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 3: kind of growth in Katie, and I admire it, you know,

1195
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 3: But I also think a lot of it comes from

1196
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 3: what y'all have just come out of, right, the experience,

1197
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 3: the painful experience that you both just went through, and

1198
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 3: you you live and you learn and you take these

1199
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 3: and I've always taught Katie this growing up. You use

1200
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 3: them as stepping stones. As painful as it is, it's

1201
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 3: just taught you what you're not going to put up with,

1202
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 3: what you don't want in former relationships, whether whether it

1203
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 3: be female or male relationships. It just makes you stronger

1204
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 3: as long as you can learn from it, grow from it.

1205
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 3: And that's what I see you both.

1206
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: As long as you're not dumb bitch.

1207
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: Oh well, but you know some people don't. I know,

1208
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 3: you'll turn around and get right back in the same

1209
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 3: kind of relationship or you know. But you both also

1210
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 3: accepted accountability and take taken some responsibility of things that

1211
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 3: didn't go right, you know.

1212
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: And I also think you and I took after our

1213
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: relationships ended. I mean, what are we How long has

1214
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: it been since your relationship ended?

1215
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: Soon over a year? It was like last February, So

1216
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: what are we in May?

1217
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1218
00:58:58,760 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: Ye're in long.

1219
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1220
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: I am happy that you and I took a beat

1221
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 1: to go out, have fun, experience other men, and not

1222
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: jump into a relationship because I think that when you

1223
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,959
Speaker 1: experience any sort of trauma at what, at any type

1224
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: of level in a past relationship, you jump into another

1225
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: and it will manifest itself.

1226
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: Well it's yeah, it's called transference. You just transfer the

1227
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: same trauma, the same everything into you don't have time

1228
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: to heal or process or really.

1229
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 3: Right and That's what I mean by taking what you've learned,

1230
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 3: you know, and building on it, growing, you know, and

1231
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 3: like Katie said, taking time to heal.

1232
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but focus on us.

1233
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 3: With that being said, if the right man should pop

1234
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 3: and be right in front of you, then you know

1235
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 3: it is what it is. But no, I'm placed to

1236
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 3: in place that Katie's enjoying herself and and dating, and

1237
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 3: that's the right. I feel so much better just knowing

1238
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 3: where she's at. Even though we just had to rewatch

1239
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 3: it play out, and you asked me a little bit

1240
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 3: ago if at that point did I think it would

1241
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 3: be best that Schwartz was not in our life. That

1242
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 3: was a real hard thing to let go of. And

1243
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 3: I get told Katie, I said, you know, it really

1244
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 3: hurts me that I feel this way about Tommy now

1245
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 3: because I saw it play out and I saw how

1246
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 3: he intentionally did and said things to hurt her. You know,

1247
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 3: we all watched the same show, right, so just seeing

1248
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 3: it play out all I was getting from what she

1249
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 3: was being time to actually visually see it and some

1250
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 3: of the things that he said below his breath, like

1251
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 3: at the after the beach disgusting. When you guys went

1252
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 3: to the bar and he was trying to get Katie's attention,

1253
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 3: and Katie wasn't being rude. It was like, you know,

1254
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,919
Speaker 3: I said hi, and then under his broth he says

1255
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 3: to stand of Oh God, I hate Katie. I'm so

1256
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 3: glad I'm not with her. Just seeing that play out

1257
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 3: hurts me so bad because it's somebody, Like I said,

1258
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 3: it was a family member, right, you know, and I

1259
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 3: know her brothers and sister in laws feel the same way.

1260
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 3: It's like, we loved him. I was just with Joe's

1261
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 3: wife Valley the other day and she said I loved him.

1262
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 3: She was, but you know, I'm just afraid the next

1263
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 3: time I see Am I want to punch him. Yeah,

1264
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 3: she said, he's just what he's done to you know.

1265
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 3: I mean. Yeah. So Katie's got a lot of love

1266
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 3: and support from her family, Absolutely love and support.

1267
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: I'm so happy the season is almost done.

1268
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we got three reunion episodes.

1269
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: Yes, you guys have tonight to look for now.

1270
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 3: You have you guys seen tonight's episode yet, because I

1271
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 3: know usually you get to pre watch him.

1272
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: Well at this point in time, because we're recording early,

1273
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet, but when it airs yeah,

1274
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: I will have seen it, and it's a wild one.

1275
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 3: We know that, right.

1276
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: It's all scannabal, it's all scannaval.

1277
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 2: This is all stuff that was filmed in March. March,

1278
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: so it's like everything in the previous episode was September.

1279
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's the future.

1280
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1281
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: So I want to thank you Katie and especially you

1282
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: for coming on my podcast. We are going to head

1283
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: to the grove now to see Christina Kelly and her

1284
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: new babe. I'm hungry, let's eat, all right, you guys,

1285
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening to another episode. Enjoy

1286
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: VPR tonight and I will catch you for Tonight's breakdown

1287
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: next week.