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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm.

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Speaker 2: Strong and Getty and he Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 3: I think if you've run the numbers here, you know,

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Speaker 3: twenty five percent chance it turns out really well and

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Speaker 3: there's a secular country kind of emerges. I think twenty

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Speaker 3: five percent it shuts down pretty quickly as Jihatas takeover.

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Speaker 3: Maybe a fifty percent chance it looks like Libya, which

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Speaker 3: is an ongoing state of conflict.

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Speaker 2: Man, seeing how people the happy, those people were in

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Speaker 2: Syria over the weekend, bringing down those statues, dancing in

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Speaker 2: the streets, children, old people, people crying as they saw

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Speaker 2: loved ones who were released from the prisons that they

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Speaker 2: hadn't seen in decades. But you know, if you're old

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Speaker 2: enough to have lived through the Arab Spring, you know

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Speaker 2: how a lot of these turned out unfortunately.

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Speaker 4: Right, So an enormous couple of days for the people

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Speaker 4: of Syria with the uncertain future ahead. Also, the fall

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Speaker 4: of the Asad regime has sent shockwaves.

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Speaker 2: That's a cliche.

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Speaker 4: I should have avoided it throughout the region, and geopolitically

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Speaker 4: is it's exposed Russian Iran is much much weaker than

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Speaker 4: they've been formerly.

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Speaker 2: Where does it all go?

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Speaker 4: Perhaps we'll we'll discuss that with Mike Lyons, military analyst

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Speaker 4: who joins us from now. Mike, I realized predictions are

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Speaker 4: extremely difficult in that part of the world.

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Speaker 2: But this is a big one, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah? For sure? That was Admiral Sterheti's I take it

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Speaker 5: from his voice. Yep, yeah, right, So you know, fifty

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Speaker 5: percent turns into living interesting analysis. I think that there's

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Speaker 5: a higher probability that things go south very quickly. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: it's just human nature of what we've seen in history

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Speaker 5: in that part of the world. But there is opportunity,

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Speaker 5: no question. The main thing is what are these external

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Speaker 5: countries like Turkey going to do to get involved. I

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Speaker 5: see the United States and Israel already going after military targets,

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Speaker 5: taking away capability, military capability of this new group, this

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Speaker 5: HTS group that seems to have taken control of the

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Speaker 5: country right now, getting rid of their AMO dumps and

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Speaker 5: keeping them from waging more conflicts. But what Turkey you

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Speaker 5: would like to do is create this state of Kurdistan.

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Speaker 5: I don't know think of Syria becoming let's say, Balkanized

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Speaker 5: not a lot of desert areas. So the cities are

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Speaker 5: the built ups there. But what Turkey you would like

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Speaker 5: to do is find a home for thirty million people

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Speaker 5: that are indigenous to that part of the world and

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Speaker 5: call it a homeland. Now, the problem Theyria has as

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Speaker 5: a country. It doesn't have a lot of natural resources,

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Speaker 5: It doesn't export a lot of things. So you have

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Speaker 5: a country, you have to have all those things. Anyway,

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Speaker 5: all those things you brought up tremendously important as well.

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Speaker 5: Russia is now weigh down the fact that they've lost

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Speaker 5: a war and more report in the media. Tranian the

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Speaker 5: Uranians can't help either. So we'll just have to see.

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Speaker 5: But I'm betting things there to go south before they

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Speaker 5: get better soon.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have nine hundred troops there, seventy five air

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Speaker 2: this from the La Times, their headlined in Syria, militias

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Speaker 2: armed by the Pentagon are fighting those armed by the CIA.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's likely a story as we have looked

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Speaker 5: to prop up some groups. The problem though, this this

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Speaker 5: nothing more than a merger of different al Qaeda facts

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Speaker 5: to fight ISIS, and that and that reason you're still

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Speaker 5: is why I know that this administration is looking anywhere

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Speaker 5: to get a win. You saw ject Sullivan over the

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Speaker 5: week and talking about how well Israel has done because

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Speaker 5: of the Biden foreign policy. Well, actually they've done well

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Speaker 5: That's really what's happened there, not anything that this administration did.

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Speaker 5: But this administration is looking for some victory as it

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Speaker 2: So we'll see.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, speaking of Israel and Iran, this is a huge

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Speaker 4: I mean, has Law, which has already had the hell

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Speaker 2: How significant is this?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, incredible, the fact that exactly that land bridge now

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Speaker 5: well inside of a rock. That's why those nine hundred

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Speaker 5: those Militsia forces that the Urine support. So they've lost

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Speaker 5: all of their proxy forces in Hasbla, in Hamas and

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Speaker 5: then these these small splinter groups that it's now open

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Speaker 5: right now. They've never been weaker. Russia to me, is

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Speaker 5: no longer any kind of superpower whatsoever. And again part

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Speaker 5: see increase conflict that Israel is looking to show up

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Speaker 5: AT's bordering a Golden Heights with Cerea as well.

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Speaker 2: So for a lot of our audience, I don't know

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Speaker 2: what percentage, but a chunk of our audience would say

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Speaker 2: this we should stay out of it. Did we never

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Speaker 2: get a good result. I don't want us involved at all.

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Speaker 2: What's what's your response to that?

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Speaker 5: There's nothing that we can do to influence anyone's side.

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Speaker 5: Let's see what Turkey does. Let's see what Turkeys respond.

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Speaker 5: Is going to be as there in the region. Let

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Speaker 5: them do a lot of this dirty work. It does

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Speaker 5: not make any sense to even send treasure there to

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Speaker 5: I would not be surprised if this new organization at

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Speaker 5: So that'll just be another, you know, another target for

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Speaker 5: Israel to take down. That would be that would be

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Speaker 5: bad because Israel would eventually accomplish that mission. And this

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Speaker 5: the strongest point right now. But there's literally not a

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Speaker 4: You can clarify something for me, because I know we'll

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Speaker 4: be pressuring Turkey not to go wild on the Kurds,

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Speaker 4: who have been you know, reliable US allies. But so

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Speaker 4: are you suggesting that because Turkey has always been vehemently

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Speaker 4: against some sort of Kurdish homeland. But is it now

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right there against the homeland because most of

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Speaker 5: that to happen. They sit in rock Syria, Turkey and Iran.

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Speaker 5: And so this is similar to what happened in the

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Speaker 5: what I would not be surprised if Turkey does though

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Speaker 5: do this. But but again you have to create more

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Speaker 5: One of the reasons why the Curds are so successful

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Speaker 2: I think this question is relevant. So I was looking

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Speaker 2: And there's this book that Steve call wrote I wrote

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Speaker 2: You were there, do you feel like I'm not trying

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Speaker 2: we should stay out of Cerea, that we rarely get

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we try to. We try to import democracy into

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Speaker 5: just don't they don't have that this feeling of self rule. However,

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Speaker 5: capitalism and money and wealth is more or less a

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Speaker 5: to implement the democracy first and then capitalism hasn't worked,

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Speaker 4: And Americans in general have a naivete that would be

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Speaker 4: charming if it wasn't so dangerous that they imagine either

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Speaker 4: That doesn't make me a racist, that makes me a realist, exactly.

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Speaker 5: You know, so much of the world, especially in the

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't want to be breaking up families. So

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Speaker 4: The lion liars in the media and Kristen Welker is

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Speaker 4: By the way, I'm told Daniel Penny has been acquitted

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Speaker 8: In general, officials say that the order never came in.

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Speaker 9: For the national ars on January sixth. Let me ask

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Speaker 9: you this about.

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Speaker 6: Joe in a statement that he has destroyed evidence.

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Speaker 9: Let me ask you this about January sixth.

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Speaker 6: I wish you could be a if you you know,

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Speaker 6: you have such potential, if you could be just just

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Speaker 6: non biased. You hurt yourself so badly. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 6: they deleted and destroyed all the evidence. Everyone knows it,

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Speaker 6: and you off like it doesn't mean anything. No, if I.

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Speaker 9: Didn't deny it, that's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: List if I did it, you would be standing up

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Speaker 6: in that chairs shouting at me, and you know what

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Speaker 6: I do, I'd say, you got me.

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Speaker 2: My main takeaway with that is, Okay, you're gonna ask

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Speaker 2: him about January sixth again and try to get him

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Speaker 2: to admit to something or whatever. Do you I assume,

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Speaker 2: Christian Walker, you don't like Trump and don't want him

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Speaker 2: to have power and be elected. You're helping him. You're

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Speaker 2: helping him.

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Speaker 10: Yes, the majority of people are like whatever, move on

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Speaker 10: to something else. I know a lot of super hardcore

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Speaker 10: Trumpeters would love to talk about January sixth for the

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Speaker 10: rest of their.

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Speaker 2: Lives, but that's not where most of America is.

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Speaker 4: Well, no, America saw it and they had a choice

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Speaker 4: between Trump and then Biden and then Harris, and thank

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Speaker 4: goodness said we're not electing either one of them. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: he brings with him that baggage. But let's let's look

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Speaker 4: to that. What are we accomplishing by relitting gating it

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Speaker 4: at this point? And Jack and I were both harshly

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Speaker 4: critical of Trump then, and I have not changed my

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Speaker 4: opinion of his activities on the day one Ioeda, I

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Speaker 4: still condemn it. And yet here we are, excuse me,

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Speaker 4: in the year twenty twenty four, with a hell of

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Speaker 4: a lot on her plate.

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Speaker 2: Let's get on it.

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Speaker 4: So speaking, which Christen Welker, who again I should have

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Speaker 4: written out all of my various insulting adjectives I'd had

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Speaker 4: in my head to use for her, because I find

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Speaker 4: her obnoxious, smugly, one sided, and snotty ooh, just not

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Speaker 4: a good person anyway.

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Speaker 2: Ah, she brought up the.

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Speaker 4: Federal minimum wage and clip thirty nine B.

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Speaker 2: You see that one. Michael.

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Speaker 8: I don't if you remember this, but during the debate

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Speaker 8: in twenty twenty I asked you if you would raise

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Speaker 8: the minimum wage. You said you would consider it. And

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Speaker 8: so my question for you is now that you are

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Speaker 8: going back to the White House for these nineteen states

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Speaker 8: that voted for you, are you going to raise effect.

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Speaker 6: It's a very low number, I will agree it's a

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Speaker 6: very low number. Let me give you the downside though,

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Speaker 6: In California they raise it up to a very high number,

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Speaker 6: and your restaurants are going out of business all over

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Speaker 6: the place. The population is shrinking. It's had a very

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Speaker 6: negative impact. But there is a level at which you

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Speaker 6: could do it absolutely.

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Speaker 9: What is that level?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I really don't know. I can say this,

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Speaker 6: you have a lot of businesses that are open and

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Speaker 6: thriving because of the lower minimum wage. If you raise

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Speaker 6: it too much, and you understand this, if California went crazy,

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Speaker 6: they went crazy, and people the restaurants are closing all

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Speaker 6: of them, many more people are hurt.

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Speaker 8: So I hear you saying similarly to sort of what

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Speaker 8: you said in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 9: Will you consider this something you're going to look at.

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Speaker 6: I'd want to speak to the governors. And the other

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Speaker 6: thing that's very complicated about minimum wages is places are

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Speaker 6: so different. Mississippi and Alabama and great places are very

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Speaker 6: different than New York or California, I mean in terms

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Speaker 6: of the cour of living.

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Speaker 2: And other things.

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Speaker 6: So it'd be nice to have just a minimum wage

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Speaker 6: for the whole country, but it wouldn't work because you

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Speaker 6: have places where it's very inexpensive to live, where a

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Speaker 6: minimum wage, which is eight or nine dollars might be

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Speaker 6: you know, might have very much, very little effect because

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Speaker 6: the cost of living in certain places is really low.

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Speaker 2: This makes me so tired, I know. So first of all,

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Speaker 2: he's the leader of what is now the working Class Party,

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Speaker 2: and the raising the minimum wage polls. Well, it's unfortunate.

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Speaker 2: I think with a five minutes of explanation, you could

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Speaker 2: explain to a lot of people why it's not actually

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Speaker 2: good for you to raise the minimum wage. But Trump realizes,

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Speaker 2: you know, the party that he's leading. But even when

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Speaker 2: he states to her there's a downside to raising the

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Speaker 2: min wait, she just completely blows that off and goes

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Speaker 2: with the next question of obviously it would be good

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Speaker 2: for everyone to raise the minimum wage. I feel like

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Speaker 2: I should inject here one from one of your Thomas

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Speaker 2: swell so Well quote on Twitter about the minimum wage.

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Speaker 2: The minimum wage law is very cleverly misnamed. The real

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Speaker 2: minimum wage is zero, and that is what many inexperienced

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Speaker 2: and low skilled people receive as a result of legislation

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Speaker 2: that makes it illegal to pay them what they're currently

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Speaker 2: worth to an employer.

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Speaker 4: Well said, very succinctly, said, Trump frustrates me always because

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Speaker 4: he does just a half assed job of of explaining

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Speaker 4: some of the principles that I hold dear.

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Speaker 2: But you know, he is what he is.

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Speaker 4: But the federal minimum wage is to call it irrelevant

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Speaker 4: is to exaggerate how relevant it is. It is a

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Speaker 4: complete non factor in anyone's life. It's a silly discussion.

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Speaker 4: If states want minimum wages, they should pass them. There is,

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Speaker 4: you know, with the exception of a couple like enslaved

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Speaker 4: immigrants who are probably trying to escape right now, and

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Speaker 4: I wish them well, there is nobody in America who

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Speaker 4: is exchanging their labor for a wage that they are

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Speaker 4: unwilling to exchange their labor for.

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Speaker 2: Nobody.

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Speaker 4: If you don't want to do a job at a

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Speaker 4: particular wage, you will not take that job. The idea

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Speaker 4: that the government can, somehow, especially the federal government, prop

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Speaker 4: up some sort of minimum it's just it ignores everything

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Speaker 4: that is the most fundamental about economics. It's just silly.

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Speaker 4: It's a silly question. I mean, it's it's pretty silly

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Speaker 4: on the state level. On the federal level, it's completely ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Say you're gonna have a minimum wage for Coonhuller, Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: And what is that gonna do for the people in

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Speaker 4: Seattle for instance? Or La Nothing, it's just dopey Kristen.

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Speaker 2: Oh, what's the main business in Coonhuller?

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Speaker 4: Squirrel skinning, mostly squirrel pelts, squol, squirrel coats, squirrel hats.

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Speaker 2: I make and sell, I make and sell frog gig

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Speaker 2: and sticks. Oh, you're the jack of Jack's froggy sticks. Yes,

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Speaker 2: jack sticks are very pointy. My daddy used to tell me, boy,

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Speaker 2: you go frog giggins son. You don't have jack sticks,

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Speaker 2: you might as well have popstickle stick. Eh. Anyway, I

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Speaker 2: assume you stab the frogs or something.

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Speaker 2: I like where he calls her hostile and nasty. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's play for me, Michael.

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Speaker 6: The press has to straighten itself out because Honestly, it's

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Speaker 6: like yours.

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Speaker 9: No, Well, hopefully you thought it was a fair interview.

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Speaker 9: We covered a lot of policy grounds.

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Speaker 6: It's fair only in that you allowed me to say

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Speaker 6: what I say. But you know, the answers, the questions

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Speaker 6: are you pretty nasty?

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Speaker 2: But look, that's true. You know, you would think.

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Speaker 6: The press would like to see strong boarders, great education,

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Speaker 6: all these different things, and somehow they don't want.

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Speaker 2: To see that.

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Speaker 4: As always, I wish I could, you know, be the fly,

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Speaker 4: or not the fly on the wall, but the voice

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Speaker 4: in Trump's here and have him say, like you've pointed out,

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Speaker 4: Jack many times, you ask every question from the perspective

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Speaker 4: Ask a question from their perspective ones you might like it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And on some specific issues like the deportation, there's

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Speaker 2: polling that shows the vast majority it's in ease. It's

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Speaker 2: a sixty to forty win for deporting illegals, right, So

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Speaker 2: why why ask it from the point of view of

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Speaker 2: the forty speak which she asked every single one of

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Speaker 2: her immigration questions. From the perspective of AOC pretending to

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Speaker 2: cry in a parking lot miles away, the phoniness thirty one.

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Speaker 2: He's talking about, you know, deporting people, and you know

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Speaker 2: both ends of the equation.

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Speaker 6: You know, the people that have been treated very unfairly

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Speaker 6: are the people that have been online for ten years

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Speaker 6: to come into the country.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to make.

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Speaker 6: It very easy for people to come in in terms

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Speaker 6: of they have to pass the test. They have to

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Speaker 6: be able to tell you what the statue of liberty is.

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Speaker 6: They have to tell you a little bit about our country.

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Speaker 6: They have to love our country. They can't come out

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Speaker 6: of prisons. We don't want people that are in for murder.

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Speaker 6: We have to get the criminals out of our country,

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Speaker 6: and we got to do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to let the good people in, the

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Speaker 4: smart people who we can use, and we're going to

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Speaker 4: get rid of the murderers. But what about separating families?

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Speaker 4: What the hell?

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Speaker 2: So we got some we had the conversation earlier about

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Speaker 2: that United Healthcare CEO getting assassinated in New York and

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Speaker 2: how awful that is, and anybody who acts like that's

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Speaker 2: a way to fix problems is a lunatic. But we

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Speaker 2: got some interesting comments on the insurance industry and things

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Speaker 2: that people have observed and experience that are worth discussing,

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Speaker 2: So we can do that when we come back. Stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: certain the tour's earthshaking impact.

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Speaker 2: Over the past two years.

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Speaker 1: The newly minted.

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Speaker 11: Billionaire has become Spotify's most streamed artists, broken box office records,

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Speaker 11: lifted the NFL's ratings, and boosted economies, all while dropping.

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Speaker 2: More than seventy songs.

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Speaker 11: Surveys estimate the arastour has driven more than seven billion

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Speaker 11: dollars in consumer spending in the US and Canada alone,

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Speaker 11: between tickets, travel, food, merch and outfits.

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Speaker 2: I remember we broke this down when she was touring

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Speaker 2: the US, the amount of money she brought into La

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Speaker 2: the three I think she played there in various cities.

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Speaker 2: It is a huge economic boom boom boom if she

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Speaker 2: came to your town and now she's finally finishing up

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Speaker 2: a two year long tour so she can fully focus

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Speaker 2: on Travis Kelcey and the Chiefs playoff run. TMZ is

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Speaker 2: saying the United Healthcare ceo murder person of interest has

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Speaker 2: been detained by the police. I don't see that anywhere else.

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Speaker 2: Oht CBS has it now. A person of interest is

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Speaker 2: being questioned in Pennsylvania in the United Healthcare CEO's murder.

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Speaker 2: Could be nothing, could be everything. We'll find out they

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Speaker 2: probably got them. I'll bet they do too. So we

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Speaker 2: already had the discussion of whether or not we should

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Speaker 2: be dignifying the guy's probable arguments about healthcare costs and

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Speaker 2: being out of control, which we kind of are by

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Speaker 2: bringing it up. But got these texts. My wife works

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Speaker 2: for an oncologist here in California as billing specialist, so

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Speaker 2: all she does is bill insurance companies, and she tells

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Speaker 2: me that the dirtiest thing the insurance companies do is

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Speaker 2: repeatedly deny certain services hoping the bill will go away.

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Speaker 2: And it works because the biller gets tired of trying.

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Speaker 2: What you guys said, about doctors losing money on medical

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Speaker 2: Medicare patients is one hundred percent true. I think we've

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Speaker 2: all experienced that. It seems like they just say no,

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Speaker 2: at least once to see if you'll go ahead and

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Speaker 2: pay it, and then sometimes like I, just ignore it

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Speaker 2: and eventually gets paid, which is a very frustrating way

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Speaker 2: to have a system. Right, Yeah, I can picture that.

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Speaker 4: And again, none of this justifies gunning a man down

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Speaker 4: in cold blood, not even close. But yeah, I could

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Speaker 4: see as a policy, Yeah, hey, just deny everything. If

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Speaker 4: people have the wherewithal to reapply, then give it to them,

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Speaker 4: but we'll cut four percent that way.

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Speaker 2: Another point of view, different topic. I can guarantee you

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Speaker 2: that if insurance companies approve everything doctors recommend, we will

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Speaker 2: soon be given MRIs every time we have a headache.

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Speaker 2: The problem is fair resolution of what's medically necessary, and

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Speaker 2: that's hard to achieve when the person making that determination

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Speaker 2: is employed by the company that has to pay the bills.

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Speaker 2: We may need a separate, independent board to make such decisions,

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Speaker 2: rather than a claims agment claims agent who thinks he's

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Speaker 2: going to move up the corporate ladder by being hard

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Speaker 2: nosed and save the company money.

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Speaker 4: All right, as I've had I've got a couple of friends,

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Speaker 4: golf buddies who are doctors, and they pointed out that,

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Speaker 4: you know, a patient says, my elbow hurts, I want

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Speaker 4: an MRI, and you tell them, well, there's practically no

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Speaker 4: chance that it's anything an MRI would discover. Blah blah blah,

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Speaker 4: it's just not worth the cost. And then that one

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Speaker 4: in two hundred and fifty case turns out he had

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Speaker 4: a tumor in his elbow and it kills him or

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Speaker 4: even you know, he has to go in a hospital

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Speaker 4: or whatever, you get sued. It's enormously expensive, and so

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Speaker 4: you think, all right, ef itt you want an MRI,

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Speaker 4: I'll send you for an MRI. It's a complete waste

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Speaker 4: of everybody's time and money. But the insurance companies say, dude,

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Speaker 4: you don't need an MRI. So, yeah, that push and

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Speaker 4: pull is fairly natural.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I remember though, on the I.

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't claim for a second that it's not sometimes unfair

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Speaker 4: and immoral.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I know, somebody right now keeps getting denied for

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Speaker 2: they got a black spot in their lungs something like

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Speaker 2: that they can't improve for any MR what's the other one.

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Speaker 2: The other one's cat scans or whatever. I had that

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Speaker 2: at the beginning of my cancer, where they just yeah,

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Speaker 2: that the insurance company hasn't agreed to that yet, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna so you could. I finally paid cash. I paid

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Speaker 2: twelve hundred bucks out of my own pocket and went

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Speaker 2: to a different place. I figured out which one was

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Speaker 2: the cheapest, drove forty five miles and had it done there,

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Speaker 2: paid cash. It got reimbursed by the insurance company. But

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Speaker 2: the fact that they wouldn't do right off the bat

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Speaker 2: was highly annoying, given the fact we were already down

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Speaker 2: the road to something wrong. So right, you know, sometimes

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Speaker 2: it's very frustrating. Again, does not justify murdering the CEO

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Speaker 2: has nothing to do with this decision, especially because and

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Speaker 2: that the correspondent made reference to this. We were talking

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Speaker 2: about it earlier.

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Speaker 4: Is the unholy uh relationship between the government and the

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Speaker 4: private health insurers and how the government has forced them

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Speaker 4: into an incredibly difficult spot. Or they're making a lot

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Speaker 4: of profits, but they're essentially we the ratepayers, are getting

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Speaker 4: ripped off.

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Speaker 2: But more on that to come. Well, if they did

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Speaker 2: arrest the guy who did it, We're going to find

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Speaker 2: out what his reasoning was pretty soon. If you miss

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