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Speaker 1: to be joined by Michael Bamberger, who just dropped his

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Speaker 1: like no one ever hits golf balls after the last

425
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Speaker 1: round at school. But that he was on such a

426
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 1: quest and he never did find it. And if I'll

427
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 1: never forget that, the scramble to find a box of

428
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 1: you know, a bucket of balls was was wild. But

429
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 1: it's tough out there. It's tough, no, but it's tough

430
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 1: out there. I mean, like I said, everybody can say

431
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,959
Speaker 1: you can pick talent and looking backwards, I can tell

432
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 1: you I did a good job of this and that

433
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: the hell, but now you can't. You can't. You just

434
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 1: can't find out who can handle all the stuff that's

435
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 1: not progole. It's just and that's where a lot of

436
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 1: success comes. And sometimes, you know, even the kids that

437
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,959
Speaker 1: come out and sign these huge contracts and they get

438
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of money, sometimes money can drown out their

439
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 1: talent as much as not having enough money. You know,

440
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: they can they all they ever wanted was money, and

441
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: they get a million dollars in a bank and they

442
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 1: think they've got money for life. And there twenty three

443
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,400
Speaker 1: years old, and we all know that's not gonna last

444
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,360
Speaker 1: that long, right, Um So yeah, it's it's it's difficult,

445
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, everybody. I tell every kid, I say, look

446
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: at I've said, if you can't do anything else but

447
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: play pro golfer living, go do it. But why would

448
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 1: you want to be a great amateur and go in

449
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: US amateurs and playing Walker Cup teams and playing the Masters?

450
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: And I say that joke only because I know they're

451
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: going to go try to chase the best competition in

452
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 1: the world. Um, I don't know, when the last time

453
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 1: someone was really really good at state amateur, I mean

454
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: that it just immediately jumped in. But and that's the

455
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: other thing. These kids when they're great, man, I mean,

456
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: there are slew of these agents out following them around

457
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: and you know, wooing them and getting them to come

458
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: and and and that's and while they're on top, they're

459
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: talked to a lot. But when when they go when

460
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 1: they're not playing well, they don't. They don't hear much anymore. Unfortunately.

461
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: I kind of want to go back to the live

462
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 1: of golf stuff because your perspective is interesting if you

463
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 1: think of it in the context of it's just more opportunities,

464
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: it's more feeder systems. It just creates. It helps to

465
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Speaker 1: alleviate this this this bottleneck we have at professional golf

466
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: where there's all these guys who are fighting for us spot.

467
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: And uh, I don't know that there's been so much

468
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 1: talk about what's our moral qualms and and the other issues.

469
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: But is it is it a good thing? Like if

470
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: if we can, if we can just set aside the money,

471
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: let's pretend that live golf is being funded by you know,

472
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: Australian interests or something, and whatever it might be, like,

473
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: how could this benefit the ecosystem professional golf? I mean

474
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: it's more chances to play. I mean it's it's quite simple.

475
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: It's opportunities. You. I can never get into a fight

476
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: about money. I mean where the money came from. I

477
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: could never pull that off. I mean it's just I

478
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: think it's futile to do it. But any if I have,

479
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 1: I had a client that any olgatory, one of the

480
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: US amateur and he's a conditional status player on the

481
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: Corn Farry Tour. And you know, he goes and money qualifies.

482
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: People realized, realize that's a fifteen or two thousand dollar endeavor.

483
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: You don't make it. I think there's eight spots or

484
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: maybe two people playing, and I mean two hundred people

485
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: that can play, and and so it doesn't get through.

486
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: And now he's got to go play many Tour event.

487
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: G pro is kind of problem around here. And um

488
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: so now he's got to go play the g Tour

489
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: event to stay competitive, keep his edge. Um there's another

490
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: thousand dollar entry fee to win fifteen thousand. And I

491
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: always urge people go watch a g pro event. You

492
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: want to go see see some things. I mean, they

493
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: got there's fifty people in that field that can play

494
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: on tour and they're out there and carts with nobody watching,

495
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: with two rules officials for the whole event, and how

496
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: difficult it is to get in the lineup, to get

497
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: there right, and to get to this tour. And if if,

498
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: if there was this g Pro event, they pay a

499
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: thousand a week to play and not a very great

500
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: golf course as a usual. And so if you're telling

501
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: me there was another tour, I don't care. I didn't ask.

502
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: I don't know where the g Pro money comes from.

503
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't know where any of these many. But I

504
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: need places for the guys to play in games. You

505
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: just can only get so many balls, and and playing

506
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: money games for your friends won't do it. You need

507
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: him in competitive golf. And so if there were nine

508
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: more tours that opened up in America that they could

509
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: go play golf competitively, you know, professionally, I wouldn't ask

510
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: where the money come from. I'm just like, let's get

511
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: them there and start playing. Mac. You're sort of a

512
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: golfing joy interrupt you, Uh, go home? I mean I

513
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: am really curious for Max. Take if if you how

514
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 1: are you thinks it's going to play out with the

515
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: tour releases and if he thinks any players are going

516
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: to defy the tour and go over to that first

517
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: London event. I mean that's a big question and professional

518
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 1: golf right now. Yeah, man, I don't know. I haven't.

519
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't have anybody involved in it. Um, I don't.

520
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: I didn't have a player asked for release. I think

521
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: there's gonna be something that I really do. I think

522
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some guys that go ahead and play. Um,

523
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, I I don't know. Again, I'm not an attorney,

524
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: so I can't tell you how this is gonna Yeah.

525
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: I do know if the lawsuit happens, that the lawyers

526
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: are gonna win. I know that. Um, but I don't

527
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: I think people. I think there's gonna be some players

528
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: are gonna go. I really do, And UM, I don't

529
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: know what the rights are. You know. I've always known

530
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: that the PGA Tour, you play fifteen events and if

531
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: you want to play somewhere else, you right for a release.

532
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: I've never had in my past. I've never had the

533
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: tour turned down release for a player to go play

534
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: Chinici Crowns in Japan They've always been accommodating. And sometimes

535
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: they'll say, well, you know, we needed to play this

536
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: event in the next sewn years, and you go, okay, great,

537
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: that's fine. That's all I mean to me. That's always

538
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: been fair and they've always been good about it. I

539
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: don't know that they've ever expected thirty two people to

540
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: send in a release to go play in Saudi Arabia,

541
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: and I was I mean, honestly, I was shocked that

542
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: they let them do that. Um. Now they're not giving

543
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 1: anybody one to play in London, So I'm assuming they're

544
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: taking essentially a firm stand. They must feel like their

545
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: position is great. And but I do think some guys

546
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: are going I really do, and I'm going there. Well,

547
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: we were on the same page there and Mac, I

548
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: think one of your great skills is, uh, you're sort

549
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: of a golfing futurist. Year one is probably gonna be

550
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: kind of rougher live. Um, but where do you see

551
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: it going? In other words, in year two and year three?

552
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: Can it become a real competing tour? Can I get

553
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: a network deal? Is it something that's going to catch

554
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: on not just the United States but in other parts

555
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: of the world. Do you think it's gonna ultimately thrive? Wow,

556
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know. I'm split on it. I think

557
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: if they're committed and they can fund it for long enough,

558
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: if they can stay in the game. UM yeah, I

559
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: mean there's been players coming off of you know, the

560
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: South African Tour. There's been players come off I mean yeah,

561
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: I mean they they just formed another tour. I think

562
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: it can thrive. When you say compare editive, I mean

563
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour is the most competitive tour and I

564
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: don't think it will. I don't think that will change regardless.

565
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: But the different format, the shotgun start, the fifty four holes,

566
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: the team play. Um, I mean is there a sect?

567
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I I people that watch golf where I am,

568
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: we will watch any golf. I mean, I will watch anything.

569
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: I won't watch football players play golf. I won't watch.

570
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: But if you golfers, I you know, I love the LPG.

571
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: I love the one because I can relate more of

572
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: the distances. I can relate more, you know, to what

573
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: they're doing, probably than I can do these guys. You know,

574
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: somebody asked me, I was like, why are you trying

575
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: to hit so far? You don't watch a basketball game,

576
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: try to go dunk. I mean, what is this? I

577
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: mean golfers chasing distance amateurs. I mean, just try to

578
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: find the ball. And it's a good start. So anyway,

579
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: I think you could put golf on that that. I mean,

580
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: let's face it, not every tournament the tour puts on

581
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: is super competitive. I mean there's a there's tournaments that

582
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: you might not recognize but ten people in the field

583
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: because you know it's some small, short field or opposite

584
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: field event. But you know, at the British Open, I've

585
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: always been watching I don't know, I can't remember with

586
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: the opposite one with the barber saw. You know, I

587
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: watched it from the British Open. I would watch that

588
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: tournament because we're golfers. We want to watch golf. And

589
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: I love a great story. Who's this kid? Where did

590
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: he come from? He's gonna win his first event, his

591
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: wife said in the gallery. So I think I think

592
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: if they stick with it and they keep producing tournaments

593
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: and they I think, I think, like every other tour,

594
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: they'll survived if they have the funding. They have the funding,

595
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: and you know, imagine Robert Garry is yeah, imagine Robert

596
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: Gris gets on a heater, or he wins two events

597
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: and has a couple of their top tens, he's made

598
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty million dollars, And if I'm you know,

599
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: a mid level tour player, I'm gonna be like, what

600
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: the hell Like? I think the insidious thing about sports

601
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: watching is that it works. And a year two, I

602
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: think you'll get more play airs, and year three you'll

603
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: get even more players because we can only we can

604
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: only express our moral outrage so many times. I think

605
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: it's tedious that he just everyone just kind of moves on.

606
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: And that's that's how you buy acceptance in these things,

607
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: and that's just the reality of situations. So I think,

608
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're if they're committed to five years,

609
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: and I don't know why they wouldn't be at this point,

610
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: I think they'll get the wind up with a lot

611
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: of good players. I mean, look, there's I look, I

612
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: can say I could go out, I could go find

613
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: them forty eight guys right now that don't have any

614
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: status that are really good golfers, I mean really good

615
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: golfers to go play. I could be easy and and

616
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: and then what happens. I don't know if in the

617
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: sense that a lot of your right, A lot of

618
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: the stuff is being talked about is just continuing about

619
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: the sport watching or the human rights and you know

620
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: that's I mean, it just it kind of blends in

621
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: with all the things going on in US in life

622
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: and we have you know, daily we have mass shootings

623
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: in America. I mean daily we have things. I mean

624
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: we have America has the death penalty. I mean, or

625
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, are you arguing about all these executing people?

626
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we execute people. So it just it finally

627
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: gets into what what are we really argued about. I mean,

628
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about you know, you know,

629
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: Native Americans would probably tell you and I talked to

630
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: Michael about this, and the Native Americans would probably tell

631
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: you that the US at one point didn't have a great,

632
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: great record on human rights. Um My dad used to

633
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: use this statement. He said, you know, every every center

634
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 1: has a future and everything has a past. I don't know,

635
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: just it just comes a time when I think what

636
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: we all to focus on is there's an opportunity to

637
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: play golf. If that the tour by their billows say

638
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: you can't play both, then that's something that they have

639
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: to figure out. But I think for a golfer to be,

640
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, just killed for going over and playing golf,

641
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know why they would want

642
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: to push somebody at that level. And again, as I

643
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: go back to there's corporate endorsements. How the corporations handle

644
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, how the corporations handle this? Do they? You know,

645
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: did Phil lose those deals because of what he said

646
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: or because he was going to go play to live

647
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: golf to her? I don't know, but you know, you

648
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: have to play into that suth so um and added up.

649
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: But I got a feeling that if they're smart, these

650
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: guys that are going, if they're going and getting paid

651
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: to do it, they're probably already added that kind of

652
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: in their in their thinking and their financial thinking. You

653
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: have to yeah, And I don't know if I'm lucky

654
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: or not. I don't have anybody that asked for least

655
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: to play. It would have kind of been fun to

656
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: know that, But um, I just I wonder, you know,

657
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: like I said, I haven't talked to many people about

658
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: it in my business. I don't, but I think that

659
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: in two I think they're gonna let a few people

660
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: rush the bunker, and once they find out what the

661
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: results of that are. Then I think you're gonna see

662
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: some guys drifting over Maximi. It's been lost here because

663
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: there's such animosity towards not Phil as a person necessarily,

664
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: but what Field represents, which I think is like, oh,

665
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: you're biting the hand that feeds you, and people don't

666
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: like that. Let's leave that aside for a minute and

667
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: just think about some of the ideas that he's suggesting.

668
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: Broadly speaking, not enough freedom for the players. But let's

669
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: be even more specific than that. Some of the inventive

670
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: concepts that that Live is talking about, Like you just said,

671
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: fifty four holes, team play, shorter season. Could they be

672
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: incorporating the PHA Tour? If you're if you were an

673
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: advisor to the PHA Tour, what would you say? What

674
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: would you say about some of these alternative forms of

675
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: playing competitive golf? Man, I would love for him to

676
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: mix it up. I would love not every Thursday through Friday,

677
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: Thursday through Sunday be an eighteen hole stroke event. You know,

678
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: it's it's same golf, different place, and there's only so

679
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: much an announcer can say about it, you know, I mean,

680
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: what if you had a four man team event for

681
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: a week, and what if you did you know, I

682
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: would love the match. I'd love the p G A

683
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: this will this week. ILD have loved it to stay

684
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: max play. I've always said that that would to keep

685
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: in the holding of a game. I thought that would

686
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: be that would really set the pg apart. And I

687
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: know why they didn't, UM, And I know why they

688
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: don't UM. But you know again, so let me ask

689
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: this question. So the match play, and if I'm getting

690
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: all track, tell me. But you know the WGC match

691
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: play it used to be. You know, you show up

692
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: in Tucson, there'd be sixty four players, and the next

693
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: day you come and there'll be thirty two players, and

694
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: the next day you come there be sixteen. Why did

695
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: they Why did they change that format? Because Tiger kept

696
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: getting beat in the first round? So why did they

697
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: do that? Was it? It wasn't no other reason, I

698
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: think to create more revenue dollars question. Okay, well that's fair,

699
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: but that was the economic decision. Did I like it? No?

700
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: I love the fact that you came in back on

701
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: your plane, get out of here. I mean, you're gonna

702
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: make some money. UM. But yes, go back to your question. Yes,

703
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: could they incorporate. I mean, it would be wonderful. I

704
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: love the tournament in New Orleans too. I never see

705
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: guys laugh and have so much fun playing off. I

706
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: mean you really, I mean everyone once in a while

707
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: four ball is great or yes, why not? I mean what,

708
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: why does it have to be? I mean it, I

709
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: mean it's I mean, it goes a tour, season goes

710
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: January one two. I don't know how long time used

711
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: to be an off season. You know, I used to

712
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: love you know, I remember when you know where you're

713
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: gonna remember it was cold North Carolina where I lived.

714
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: But Thanksgiving Day to watch the Skins game was one

715
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: of the best days of my life. I hadn't seen

716
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: gold playing, I hadn't seen warm weather. And here's the

717
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: stars going at it. And I mean, you know, of course,

718
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Nicholas, you know they played, They're going to

719
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: compete like they don't have a dime. I mean, they

720
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: like to be each other. So absolutely, Michael, I think

721
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: it would be wonderful at this resulting in some change

722
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: of formats and different things. Well, why don't why don't

723
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: we each give mac are our last best question here

724
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: before we send them off? And I'll this will be

725
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: mine at because actually my daughter has a friend who's

726
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: a freshman in college, young guy who loves sports, and

727
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: he's trying to figure out his life, and he decided

728
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: he wants to be a sports agent. And I said, well,

729
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: it's not as glamorous as it looks, you know, like

730
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: you see them hugging behind on the eighteenth greene and

731
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: when the victor walks off, or you know, they're in

732
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: the locker room against favorite champagne. If you're an NBA

733
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: agent and you're on the cover sports illustrator like Rich

734
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: Paul and all that, Daidy Goodell, but what would you

735
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: what would you say to a young person out there

736
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: who dreams of of of the life that you've you've lived.

737
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: I speak to sports marketing classes and stuff, and I

738
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: always put on the board that everybody wants the job

739
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: they think I have. Um, there's a little bit of

740
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: glamor every once in a while. Um. But you know,

741
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: I got in the business as a manager. You know,

742
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: Vinny Giles hired me in in the early early nineties

743
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: and he was a great golfering and we managed golfers.

744
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: You know, they're not baseball players. They don't have a manager.

745
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: They don't. They're the CEO of five and six employees.

746
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: So I managed golf is it was never about money

747
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: and it wasn't much money in the early nights in

748
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: this game. I mean you know, um, but you you

749
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: dealt with everything the player dealt with, you know, the

750
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: travels and all these things, and and and you don't

751
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: hear from these players when they're playing great. Usually what

752
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: you hear from them is when something's wrong. And it's

753
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: usually not between eight and five a day. It's it

754
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: could be at ten o'clock on a Friday night at

755
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: msticut you're on the West coast, you're out the dinner

756
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: with your wife, and an hour phone call trying to

757
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: figure out, all right, what's going wrong doing? You know?

758
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: Is a caddy not doing his job? I mean so yeah,

759
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: So what I tell you, if you love a twenty

760
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: four hour, seven day a week job, if you love

761
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: only talking to people that are probably not at the best, um,

762
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: if you if you if you don't mind, my dad

763
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: was a minister. So if you, if you don't mind

764
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: that lifestyle, do it because I and I love it.

765
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: I have young guys, the young kids. I love morning anything,

766
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: working with Um. When yeah, those one a few times

767
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: you get to be in the writer cuple him a

768
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: celebratory thing. You know, it's kind of fun, but you

769
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: know it's you. It's a service business. It's a service job.

770
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: It's not you're not in the big board rooms negotiating

771
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: billion dollar deals. I can tell you that. Uh, that

772
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: was a good one. Alan Um mac young player comes

773
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: to you. He looks like he's the whole package. But

774
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: everybody that you're talking about like the whole package. And

775
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: kid says you or the father says yea, what do

776
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: I gotta do to get better? What do you say? Oh? Gosh? Um,

777
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: I mean everybody's got a little difference. I mean most

778
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: of these guys now, by the time they get out

779
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: of college, they're physically fit. Um, they've got the clubs,

780
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: they've got the UM. I think they're gonna have to

781
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: learn how to play a lot of golf. Um, they're

782
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna have to learn to practice smarter than they've ever practiced,

783
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to learn to rest, um, and

784
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: to get better. It's just like anything else that we do. Um,

785
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: you've got to do it a lot, and you've got

786
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: to do it in a lot of different situations. And

787
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, when you realize the player, it's played seven

788
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: hundreds sometimes on tour and he's won twenty one. He's

789
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. He lost seven fifty times,

790
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: So he better get used to losing. Um, and he's

791
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: playing against some you know, going to be to get better,

792
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: he's just gonna have to learn, Like under fire, that

793
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: is really well said. Uh, that is really the whole thing,

794
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: because like the whole Mountain glad wolfing of the temp

795
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: that ten thousand hours they had the temp as you

796
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: just said earlier, they got the tempt that I was

797
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: ten thousand hours of college golf. But that tempt that

798
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: I was a college golf that's worth about thirty minutes

799
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: on corn Ferry golf. You gotta and if you can't

800
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: play Cornferry golf, you better play in the New Mexico

801
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: Open or any other state Open you can get into it.

802
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: We send them crazy, and Mike and Neill realize, I

803
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: mean a lot of these college teams when they show

804
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: up for the SEC's, they're private jets are sitting over

805
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: here on the runway. Um, they're they're sprinter vans are

806
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: rolling up in the thing I mean these and they've

807
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: got a coach. You know, these coaches they're doing my job.

808
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: I mean they're managing them. I mean they're just with

809
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: them every minute, and they're just you know, they're doing

810
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And then they release them, and I

811
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: mean it's like there's no one standing there. I mean

812
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: it's tough. Alan, can ask you a question? Yes? Please? Well,

813
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: mac is obviously we can see, has had maybe the

814
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: listeners cannot, but he seems to have an endorsement deal

815
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: with Peacemakers for golf for golfers, golfers for pieces make

816
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: war more after Pether than ever. Now right, who's paying

817
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: our bills? Alan? Wow? Michael comes in the door at

818
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: the collective and always thinking about is keeping the lights on?

819
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: What a team player? Yes, I actually have a paper

820
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: here to remind me I wasn't gonna give a little

821
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: shot out to our friends at part points Golf. It's

822
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: an ingenious little scoring app that we've all had fun

823
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: experimenting with, and it's just a different way to to

824
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: play the game as all other layer of strategy that

825
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 1: I have to say, I don't I never get bored

826
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: to playing golf, But if you're playing the same courses

827
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: with the same guys every now and you just want

828
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: to mix it up. And I would definitely encourage the

829
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: listeners to check out Part Points. It's it's a really

830
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: fun way to think your way around a golf course

831
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: where you can almost invent your own tea boxes and

832
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: how you can play the same holes over and over

833
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: but in totally different ways and with different things at stake.

834
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: So uh, it's it's really uh, it's it's a clever

835
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: idea And the best thing about it is that Michael,

836
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: you're you're so invested now in the success of our

837
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: sponsor par Points because you're a well I think it's

838
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: cool and you know, Mac, have you been to Sweden

839
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: Scove I have not. I don't think you have. But

840
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: the thing about Sweden scope is just nine holes and

841
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: you can and you're and you're there all day, but

842
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: you wind up doing what these far Points people are

843
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: talking about. I think, in other words, you play the holes,

844
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: you know what they do, But now playing from a

845
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: different tier, I think maybe you're playing in the multiple

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Speaker 1: holes on greens. I can't remember right now for some reason, um,

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Speaker 1: but they've got some massive greens. But just invent this

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Speaker 1: stuff for yourself. I think it's neat. I agree, well

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Speaker 1: it's cool, Yeah, it really is. So this was another

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Speaker 1: fire Drill podcast since this is the pg Championship, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is the one week all year where the golf

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Speaker 1: was kind of celebrates the club pro and and you

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Speaker 1: can get a little more granular on the business side

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Speaker 1: of golf. And so Mac Barnhardt, we appreciate your counsel

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Speaker 1: and your your insight. You're gonna Mac were you Were

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Speaker 1: you ever a clip pro? Mac? No, No, I got offered,

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Speaker 1: but I thought, I think I got offered fourteen thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars and I don't only have to work maybe seventy

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Speaker 1: hours a week, and so I turned it down. That's

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Speaker 1: for another podcast, I think definitely well. And and we

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Speaker 1: should say for people who are tuning into like all

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Speaker 1: these new offerings on the Firepit Collective, is that Mac,

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Speaker 1: you are going to have a regular podcast presence with

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Speaker 1: Coulton others gonna be the host and Michael Simms, who

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Speaker 1: people know from the Bermuda Open and other cameos the

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Speaker 1: PGA Tours now transitioning into kind of a life coach

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Speaker 1: and a grew to help young players that you can

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Speaker 1: learn from the things he's been through. So uh, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be You're gonna be a regular here. So uh anyway,

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Speaker 1: I love it. I'm looking forward to it. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me out. Yah's great. Alan, I've been we we've

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Speaker 1: you know, Alan's meeting Mac has met Mac in the

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Speaker 1: last few years and Mac and I go way back.

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Speaker 1: And Mac is absolutely one of the most thoughtful, interesting,

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Speaker 1: insightful people in the game. And as I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is the tip of the iceberg because that we don't

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Speaker 1: have the time for more. But uh, I know Mac

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Speaker 1: has thought about the way the game and ways that

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Speaker 1: very very few, if anybody has. So yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: pleasure to be on your team, Mac, and have you

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Speaker 1: thank you for that meant thank you word to be

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Speaker 1: on with YouTube guys, So thank you. Thanks Mac. All Right,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this Fire Drill podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: coming in hot from Tulsa, Oklahoma side of the PG Championship.

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Speaker 1: Michael and I will be uh, we'll be doing these

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Speaker 1: all week long. Jeff Ogilvie is gonna make some cameos.

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Speaker 1: We have we have a Lazarsias and Ryan French Monday

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Speaker 1: Q Info coming in so A lot of different voices

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Speaker 1: talking about what's gonna be one hell of a week

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Speaker 1: here at the p g A. So thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: and we'll do it again soon. Put another log on

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Speaker 1: the fire. Nobody here is getting time