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Speaker 3: But that was really hard. I didn't like feeling like

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Speaker 2: So it was all meant to be.

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Speaker 1: Okay. First of all, that's beautiful, and I also I

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Speaker 3: And it was just it was so pure and he

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Speaker 1: About amazing, I mean, talk about what you needed. I

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Speaker 1: He let me.

441
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 2: Be just me and not do anything.

442
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 3: And I remember after so we met in La on

443
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 3: dan Z with the Stars. There was a nine month

444
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 3: period before our second date and after our second date,

445
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 3: I think it took two months to dating before I

446
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: moved to Nashville and I ended up transferring to Vanderbilt

447
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: with him, and I just I did nothing. He let

448
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 3: me be just a student and just a person and

449
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 3: not chase all these titles anymore. And he rebuilt my

450
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 3: confidence from the ground up at just being able to

451
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 3: fail beautifully at everything and be completely average and that

452
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 3: be celebrated. And he truly saw all these insecurities and

453
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 3: one by one would address them and help me kind

454
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Speaker 3: of heal from them, not be a perfectionist and elly

455
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 3: athlete anymore.

456
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Speaker 1: By the way, that's a huge step, because there are

457
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: probably a ton of people listening who are perfectionists in

458
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: one part of their life. To go from I need

459
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: to do it exactly right to average is cool. I

460
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: like being a student who gets I don't know what

461
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: you got. I got b's and c's in college. Who cares?

462
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter at the end. But to be someone,

463
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: how did that sit with you? Someone who's used to

464
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: being discipline got to get it, you know, I.

465
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: Mean it was very messy. Yeah, I had a lot

466
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: of good days and bad days.

467
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 3: But I remember he would always talk to me and say,

468
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 3: there's this person me that I see when we're at

469
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 3: home and when we're on a date, and then all

470
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you get in from in front of

471
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 3: a camera and.

472
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: It's like you are a completely different person.

473
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 3: And he said, if only the world got to see

474
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 3: who you actually were, and that would just unlock all

475
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: these things of.

476
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: I was taught to perform.

477
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 3: I was taught to be perfect because it was I

478
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 3: was trying to gain a subjective judge's opinion of me

479
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 3: and try to make that the best. And it was

480
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 3: uncomfortable and it was scary, and there are a lot

481
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: of transitions and the workspace, but it was slow and

482
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,479
Speaker 3: just beautiful, and he just held my hand through it.

483
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: You know what I think you're I mean, I always

484
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: thought you're brave, But one of the bravest things you've

485
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: just said is after two months, you moved to Nashville.

486
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean you just did it, Like that's a leap

487
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: of faith. That's scary. Some people would need some more

488
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: assurances that this was going to be something. I don't

489
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: want to uproot my life and go there. Tell me

490
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: about that process.

491
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 3: I always explained it as like I started. I had

492
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 3: to grow up at a very young age. So at twelve,

493
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 3: I remember flying to Belgium for the first time by

494
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 3: myself to compete for the United States, which is crazy

495
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 3: now that I'm a mom, I'm like, twelve, that's too young.

496
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 3: But I had lived a lot of life and I

497
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: was ready to find someone to share life with. And

498
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 3: I remember when I met him and we had this

499
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 3: like spark. I remember thinking, if I continue to travel

500
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 3: the world and if I continue to live on the

501
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 3: opposite side of the world from him or the country,

502
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 3: I'm not giving it the best chance to see if

503
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: it can become anything. And I remember thinking, I honestly

504
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 3: have nothing to lose if I moved to Nashville and

505
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 3: we go on two more dates and say this is

506
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: not it. Okay, I'll move somewhere else, like it's fine,

507
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: And I just remember thinking he's worth it to me

508
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 3: to see if this can last.

509
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: And I think I scared the crap out of him.

510
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 2: You were like, Hi, I'm moving here, I'm going to

511
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: your college. I'm moving down the street from you.

512
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: I am really like putting myself in your world. But

513
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: if it weren't for that, I don't think it would

514
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 3: have worked. I paused my life because that meant so

515
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 3: much to me. And when we secured that, and it

516
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: took a couple of years, you know, to find really

517
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 3: strong foundations, but it meant enough to me to take

518
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 3: the leave of faith and it worked out because of it.

519
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: Well, no kidding. I love that you said he changed

520
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: so much of you and rebuilt your confidence. I mean

521
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: that is epic. Why is he so wise? He was

522
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: just a kid, Like, how is he that wise?

523
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: I think? I mean, I think he's the greatest. So

524
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 2: I think he's just amazing. And I don't even know.

525
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: If it came out as wisdom. I just think it was.

526
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: It was just a kindness to be, you know, invested

527
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: into the depth of someone. We always my husband, I

528
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: talk a lot about I think the world really preaches

529
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 3: and tries to encourage people to live an we say

530
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 3: an inch deep and a mile wide anymore, that people

531
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: aren't actually getting to know.

532
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: Or people to their true depth, or to feel seen.

533
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 3: And he made me feel seen, And especially coming from

534
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 3: professional athletics, where you don't need to be seen, you

535
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: just need to perform, that was a new concept for me.

536
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: Wow. Beautiful. So you guys have beautiful children. You have

537
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: a whole beautiful family and raising kids, and I was

538
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: thinking about how you were raised and how you would

539
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: choose to raise and often as moms. I mean, I

540
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: take some stuff from my mom that she that she

541
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, how she raised me, and then some of

542
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: the stuff I just left the table. But what from

543
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: your childhood did you take on and say, you know what,

544
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: I want my kids to have these things, And what

545
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: did you say, you know what, this isn't going to

546
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: work for them.

547
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: I would say both my husband and I were raised

548
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: similarly in the athletic world from our parents, and we're

549
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 3: definitely using that where our parents never valued athletics, they

550
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 3: valued good humans over everything. And my mom, I have

551
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: very vivid memories of she would beg me to skip gymnastics,

552
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: just quit it. Just don't do it anymore. It takes

553
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 3: up too much time. I missed my daughter. I want

554
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: to go shopping with you. I want to just play

555
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: hooky one day. You know, it was all these things

556
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 3: of it just is taking too much of you. And

557
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 3: my parents and Andrew's parents just taught us that athletics

558
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 3: were our choice.

559
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: As long as we.

560
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: Were good humans and we had good values and kindness

561
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: and respect to people, that's all that mattered.

562
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: Loved us for who we were. We didn't have to

563
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: earn that.

564
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: So I always knew that that was my choice, and

565
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: I really want to make sure my children know the

566
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: same thing.

567
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: I don't care about titles.

568
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: I don't care about placements, I don't care about I

569
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: just care that you try hard and you're a good human.

570
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: And then if you want to go do whatever sport

571
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: you want to do, I love that. I'll be your

572
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: biggest cheerleader.

573
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 3: If there's anything that I would change, I would just

574
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: say I'm an only child, and I'm very type A.

575
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: I was very driven.

576
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: I was very much just a girl that could sit

577
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 3: still and paint and color and draw. I have two

578
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: very very wild boys, very wild boys, and I think

579
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: the hands off let me be the driver of everything

580
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 3: that my parents embraced as a kid.

581
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: I think we need a little.

582
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: Bit more raining in with my boys, So I have

583
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: to be a little more stern with them than my

584
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: parents probably were with me.

585
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: Can I I'm just gonna go back one more second

586
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: of your child because I didn't know this about your

587
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: mom that she was like, don't do it. Quit. Yeah,

588
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm not quitting. I'm doing it. So what

589
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: was the motivation for a little kid? Because I know

590
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: kids like things until it's hard usually and then they

591
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: stopped loving it. So what was pushing you all all

592
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: that time when you were little?

593
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: Myself, which is crazy, and I don't I had just

594
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 3: this drive. My parents opened me up to every opportunity

595
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 3: in life. They did such a beautiful job of that, especially,

596
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: I mean, to be very honest, they didn't have the

597
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: resources to do that. They they extended themselves to make

598
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: the universe just my playground. And so I tried so

599
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 3: many things and very quickly would quit things like don't

600
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 3: like it.

601
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: One practice and I'm done. I don't want to be there.

602
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 3: But there was something about gymnastics that was intoxicating to me,

603
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: and I think it has taught me, or it's given

604
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: me a belief maybe it's a delusional belief that we

605
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 3: all have one of those treasures inside of us.

606
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: We just have to find it.

607
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: Because there was no roadblock, no challenge too hard that

608
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 3: I couldn't work through. I was so driven by it,

609
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: and my coach was the same way. He's like, if

610
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: you don't want to be here, you don't need to

611
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: be here. So I just wanted to have fun.

612
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is good. So wait when you

613
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: talked about so you're raising kids and when you were little,

614
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: you were your time was all spent, you know, doing

615
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: what you were doing. What about childhood? Like you kind

616
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: of say, God, I kind of wish I was. I

617
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: kind of wish I got to run wild a little bit.

618
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: Or is that not on your regret list?

619
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: So, I mean, all of this sounds too good to

620
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: be true. As I answer this, it's going to be crazy.

621
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: But I don't feel like I missed anything in my childhood.

622
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: I was very lucky. My coach, Schiz moved from China

623
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: to the United States. They came from gymnastics in China,

624
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: where everything was taken from them as a child. They

625
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: had to be a professional from a very age, and

626
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: they didn't get to have fun or be kids. And

627
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: so their dream in moving to the United States was

628
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: to open a gym. And their words would say, raised

629
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: children who get to be children, but also get to

630
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: be good gymnasts. And so we did a very, very

631
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: condensed training schedule. We had to go to full day

632
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: of school. I got to attend every football game, every dance.

633
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: My coaches would let us play. They preserved the joy

634
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: in the childlike childhood for us. So all of my

635
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: memories there, I remember running around playing Capture the Flag

636
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: in my neighborhood. I had enough time to have friendships

637
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: outside of the gym. I went to Dairy Queen and

638
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: had stacks of pancakes after practice all the time.

639
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: I truly had a childhood. And I think that's because

640
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: of my coaches.

641
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: That's really cool. So how do you raise your kids.

642
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: Who's the disciplinarian, Who's the one who lets it fly?

643
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: I am one hundred percent of the disciplinaria. My husband

644
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: lets everything fuck.

645
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: He's another child, which is so much fun, but it's crazy,

646
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: And how do we raise them? We say, I don't

647
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: know if this is going to sound right, but we

648
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: call it free range. We have very wild children who

649
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: are very curious and very able and just love to

650
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 3: run wild. And I have a four year old that

651
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: race his motocross.

652
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, not the.

653
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: Sport I would have chosen, but that is truly one

654
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 3: of his treasures. It's like the kid came out riding

655
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: a bike and a motorcycle. My dad rode professionally his

656
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 3: whole life. And then my husband comes from a whole

657
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: family of Olympic cyclists. So it's in there. But we

658
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: just we raised them to have fun, to be good humans,

659
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: but to have fun.

660
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Speaker 1: Any gymnasts in the group, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I would have said no about a month ago, but

663
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Speaker 3: out of nowhere, my six year old has now asked

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Speaker 3: to go back to the gym so and she's loving it,

665
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Speaker 3: which is scaring me to death.

666
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Speaker 1: Why is that scaring you?

667
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: This is going to get deep quickly.

668
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: But I I think the world naturally will put an

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Speaker 3: unfair expectation on her.

670
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Speaker 2: I think because.

671
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Speaker 3: Mom was good, people will expect her to be good.

672
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Speaker 3: And I don't think any child should be expected to

673
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Speaker 3: be good at something. I think they should be able

674
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Speaker 3: to fail and be terrible and be celebrated for it.

675
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Speaker 3: So I just don't want too much pressure.

676
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: To be put on her, so you'll if she wants

677
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: to go that way, you'll say, all right, do it.

678
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: But you're just otherwise you just kind of hands off

679
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: to see what she's going to do.

680
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Speaker 3: Biggest cheerleader. I'm the mom in the stands watching never

681
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: anything more.

682
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Speaker 1: Do people forget?

683
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: In my mind, it's going crazy. My mind's like, oh

684
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Speaker 2: my god, you're.

685
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Speaker 1: Like, please, God, where U I know? Just a little tip,

686
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: you're sweetie, you'll be ready. Tried that?

687
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember she at one point asked my husband

688
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: to teach her to do something in gymnastics, and both

689
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 3: of us started laughing.

690
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: I was like, this is comic.

691
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Speaker 1: How much do you want him to Do they get you?

692
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 1: Do they get your whole deal and your husband's deal.

693
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: Do they understand? Do they ever look at videos of you,

694
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: of you at Beijing, Beijing and go, oh that was mom?

695
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: Not really?

696
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: I think we're just I think my daughter, being six,

697
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 3: is just now getting glimpses and understanding of like maybe

698
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Speaker 3: the magnitude.

699
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Speaker 2: But we also try not to.

700
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: Flaunt anything because it's we don't want them living in

701
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: any type of shadow.

702
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 2: It's their world now, it's not ours.

703
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if people come up to you and say,

704
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Speaker 1: are you Sean Johnson? Do they go what's happening with

705
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: mom over there?

706
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

707
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 3: We get a lot of questions of why don't they

708
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: want a picture of me like themselves?

709
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, I don't know how to explain that.

710
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, mommy, someone watched Mommy do gymnastics, and yeah,

711
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: I don't know how to expectin it.

712
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Speaker 1: So cute. By the way, that's the cutest thing ever,

713
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Speaker 1: someone watched Mommy do gymnastics. Yes, I'm sorry, beautiful statement. Well,

714
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: which just explains your entire parenting right there. That's just

715
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: how you go through. That is awesome. Can we talk about,

716
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: first of all, your awesome book. I opened it to

717
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: the back cover, which I'm sorry if that's not framed

718
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: in your house somewhere, I'm going to be super mad.

719
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: What a great picture of the two of you. It's

720
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Speaker 1: called The Courage to Commit. And of course I flipped

721
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: immediately to this chapter on Joy, chapter two, which I

722
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: was into, and I was so struck by one of

723
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: the things in it, and it says that you were

724
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: asked somebody, an audience member, asked you a question, The

725
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: question was you two live such structured lives, how do

726
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: you make base for joy? And you spend that chapter

727
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: talking about how confused we are about what joy actually

728
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: is because people don't think you can be disciplined and

729
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: have joy. So explain that thought process.

730
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Speaker 2: Yes, so.

731
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 3: The whole book is about like the depth of commitment,

732
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: what happens when you actually start saying no to things,

733
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 3: and like filtering your life to the things that actually matter.

734
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 3: I think we're in the anxious generation where there is

735
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: so much noise and so many voices in so many

736
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Speaker 3: options that it can be crippling to people. I think

737
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: people are being overwhelmed with decision fatigue, and instead of

738
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: choosing one thing or a couple of things, they're just

739
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: not choosing anything at all. They're swiping, you know, swipe

740
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: right culture. And the chapter of Joy, we argue that

741
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 3: joy is found in depth, and you can't achieve depth

742
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: without our discipline. And I mean that in the sense

743
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: of take parenting. It's not always joyful. It's very difficult.

744
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: There are a lot of hard nights and hard days

745
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: and hard phases. But the amount of joy you feel

746
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Speaker 3: looking at this human that you've raised and gone through

747
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 3: such hardship with and so many sleepless nights. That is

748
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: a joy and a depth that you can't reach if

749
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Speaker 3: you are just a parent for a day.

750
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Speaker 2: Or a babysitter for a day. Let's say that.

751
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: And in our culture right now, I think the world

752
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 3: is trying to preach that if you keep hopping from

753
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: one honeymoon phase to another and just getting the dopamine

754
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 3: hit of an instant gratification, that I think that is

755
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Speaker 3: just instant happiness.

756
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: That's not joy.

757
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: So if you start structuring your life to really like

758
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 3: invest time into something, I think you're going to be

759
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 3: surprised the immense not happiness but joy.

760
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Speaker 1: You feel all the difference, some of the difference. I

761
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: love the happiness and joy thing. And I know you

762
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Speaker 1: talk about it like butterflies when you meet him and yay,

763
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Speaker 1: and then after three years you know everyone gives the

764
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Speaker 1: side eye. So it is what's the difference there for you.

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Speaker 3: I think happiness is a momentary, fleeting, feeling emotion. I

766
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: think joy is felt in your soul and joy comes

767
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Speaker 3: with pain. And I say that in the sense of

768
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Speaker 3: like even in our marriage, at our on our wedding day,

769
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: I had happiness because I was like, oh.

770
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Speaker 2: This is so exciting. I'm so giddy. I love this guy.

771
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Speaker 3: But after ten years of marriage, we've gone through heartbreak

772
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Speaker 3: and hard arguments and times where we've disappointed each other.

773
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Speaker 3: But the amount of joy in my soul and my

774
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Speaker 3: being that I feel when I look at that man

775
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Speaker 3: is greater than anything I felt on.

776
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Speaker 2: Our wedding day.

777
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Speaker 3: But it's because of time and pain and the investment

778
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Speaker 3: of it that compounds over time.

779
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Speaker 1: That's first of all. That's a beautiful statement, and I

780
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Speaker 1: think some people might like sometimes when there are arguments

781
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: and bad moments in relationships where if you're in one,

782
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: you're going to have those. That's life. Sometimes that's all

783
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: people start seeing through that lens and then the next

784
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Speaker 1: thing comes and you go, well, there it goes again,

785
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Speaker 1: and then all of the sudden, before you know it,

786
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Speaker 1: you guys are not you guys, but whoever's listening. It's

787
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: like parallel paths that kind of start peeling off in

788
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: opposite directions. How did you make sure or ensure that

789
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Speaker 1: your marriage stayed the course in the middle even though

790
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Speaker 1: you had all these potholes, like all marriages do.

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Speaker 3: It's actually something we took a lot of time to

792
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: write about, and it's how we try to approach life.

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Speaker 3: It's a gift I think we were given in athletics,

794
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Speaker 3: which is back in gymnastics. If I was faced with

795
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Speaker 3: a challenge, an injury, something I couldn't overcome, the yips,

796
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 3: whatever it was, I would take that. I would look

797
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 3: at that challenge and say, let's go find every tool

798
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Speaker 3: we can find to help me overcome it. That's coaches, sports, psychiatrists, dietitians.

799
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Speaker 2: Do I need to take time off?

800
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Speaker 3: And I would approach that challenge from every angle and say,

801
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: how can I fix it? I think when it comes

802
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: to relationships and marriage and parenting and things that are

803
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 3: just happening in our daily life, we're operating as a

804
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: culture in a way that says, if it's hard, it

805
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 3: must not be right, instead of going back to athletics

806
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 3: and saying, oh, here's a challenge, how can I fix it?

807
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 3: And so my husband and I, I think, because we're

808
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: both athletes, have a very shared perspective on this of

809
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: if we hit a road bump, which we do all

810
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: the time, it's like, what can we do to fix it?

811
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Speaker 3: Who do we need to go find in the counseling world,

812
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: What mentors should we bring in what should we change

813
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 3: in our routine? What should we change about ourselves? But

814
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: it's always this active idea of how can we better it?

815
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: And so in each chapter we write about all the

816
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 3: different factors and angles to attack a problem, whether it's

817
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: your environment or your belief, for your faith or your mentorships.

818
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: How can you attack a problem?

819
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Speaker 3: And I think it's just it's just going against the

820
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Speaker 3: cultural norm, but it works for us.

821
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Speaker 2: Why we have such a fruitful marriage?

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Speaker 1: Now, how do you you know you've changed since obviously Beijing.

823
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Speaker 1: You've probably evolved a hundred times over. Your husband's probably

824
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Speaker 1: evolved one hundred times over. I'm sure you guys have

825
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: to reintroduce yourselves. Hi, I'm Sean. I don't like Applebee's anymore.

826
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Speaker 1: I used to love it or whatever it is. You know, however,

827
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, but you always like that, but you always

828
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Speaker 1: How do you keep evolving? Because you can have a

829
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: relationship where you're understanding, but you're different, he's different. How

830
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: do you keep you know, keep reintroducing yourself if that's

831
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 1: the right word.

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Speaker 3: We learned a little trick from He's a counselor. His

833
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 3: name's John Deloney, and he's a friend of ours. But

834
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: he taught us this trick years ago of in a

835
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: very basic way. He said, never stop dating your spouse,

836
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: and he means it in the sense of never stop

837
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 3: asking questions because things always change, and he asks his spouse,

838
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: and his spouse asks him all the time for an

839
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: updated resume, basically like what's your current favorite color.

840
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: Because that can change? Yeah, what's your favorite food?

841
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 3: Right now? Who's your best friend? And I think if

842
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: we constantly approach our marriage like dating like we did

843
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: when we were dating, it's with so much curiosity as

844
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 3: to where are you right now? And I've seen it

845
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 3: as my husband we go through phases of life where

846
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: he's stressed or entranced to something new or like it's

847
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 3: constantly different and I'm constantly learning about him. And I

848
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 3: think a lot of times people will get it wrong

849
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: when they think that the marriage, like getting married, is

850
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 3: a finish line and now you just get to coast,

851
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 3: when I think it's actually a starting line and it's

852
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 3: a lot of work.

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Speaker 1: Oh beautiful. So you know, there are a lot of

854
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Speaker 1: little kids who I'm sure come up to you, which

855
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: is I'm sure I can just imagine when you walk

856
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: down like, oh, Sean tell me, what what? What's something

857
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: that you would want? These little kids, the young girls

858
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: who are coming up now, many of whom are wrapped

859
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: up in social media, wrapped up in what do they

860
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: think they want? You know there it is performative often

861
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: how they're living now, whether they're you know, an athlete

862
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: or somebody or not. What would you say to those

863
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: kids who are probably needing joy and not really finding it?

864
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Speaker 3: I would probably say what I say to my daughter

865
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: now and my kids, which is and this is like

866
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: my personal belief, but it's that I think I would

867
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: say God has placed hidden treasures in every one of

868
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Speaker 3: our hearts, and all of our treasures are different, like

869
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: my treasures are different than from my daughters, from my son,

870
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: my other son. But it's the adventure of life to

871
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 3: try to find them, and if you get lucky enough

872
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: to find even one, you need to do everything in

873
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: your power to protect it. And I say that because

874
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: I had a conversation with my daughter once where she

875
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 3: was like.

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Speaker 2: What if I think she was.

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Speaker 3: Talking about gymnastics, but she's like, what if I don't

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Speaker 3: do gymnastics? And I was like, that's mommy's treasure that

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00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: doesn't have to be yours. You will find a treasure

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00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 3: and it will light you up and it should be

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Speaker 3: different than everyone else's.

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Speaker 2: But the hardship of life is the world will try

883
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Speaker 2: to will try to take.

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Speaker 3: Your treasure from you, or say it's not worth value,

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00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: or say it's not a good enough title, and it's

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00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: your challenge in life to protect it. So I would

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00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: I would tell kids that just go on your adventure

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00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 3: and try to find it, and if you can, you

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Speaker 3: have to protect it with everything you've got.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you didn't just tell kids, you just

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00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: told grown ups, because I think that's I think there

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00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: are plenty of grown ups who are on there, walking

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00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: along this path and it may be filled with potholes

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00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: and kind of dusty and maybe not realizing that there's

895
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: actually a path. It's just over this way. It's lush

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00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: and green and full and has all of the things

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00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: that they're way there that they want. But this one's

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00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: easy because they've been on it and they don't know

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00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: how to get off it. And this is where I've been.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like you've done a great job of navigating your life, Sean.

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00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: You were delight by the way. Can I just say,

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00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I've interviewed you before, but not

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00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: like this, not like this. This is so good. Please

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Speaker 1: grab this book. It's called The Courage to Commit, Embracing

905
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: the Radical Power, sticking with something. Sean. Wow. I mean, girl,

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00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: I love the new you. All right, thank you, thank you?

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00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: All right, Sean, have a good one. Thank you.

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00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: Wow.

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00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: I mean, as I just said to Sean, like I've

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00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: spoken to her before but never liked that. I mean,

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00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: I knew that she was a deep thinker, and I

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00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 1: liked what she said about how a lot of people

913
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: are very shallow, you know, not going wide. Going deep

914
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 1: is really what she's describing, and she spent her life

915
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: going deep and trying to find ways to make everything

916
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: better in her relationships with her kids. I was, I'm

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00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: so turned on, Like I am, I'm just on fire

918
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: for what Sean Johnson East is serving up. She reminded

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00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: me that like other chapters in life, are possible, and

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00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: they're full of love and joy. I mean, imagine, if

921
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: you hit your peek at sixteen, at least in one profession,

922
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: then what And she just proved and you can see

923
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: it in her eyes if you're watching the podcast, and

924
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: you can hear it in her voice, she's full of joy,

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00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: she's in a beautiful chapter in her life, and she's growing,

926
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: she's deepening her understanding, her spirituality, her life, all those things.

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00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: It was beautiful. My cup's full, man, my cup is full.

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00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: So anyway, let me just close. This is a quote

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Speaker 1: I like to close with, like a quote or a poem.

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00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: And there was something about this that struck me. And

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00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: it's a simple quote and it says, she was never

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Speaker 1: quite ready, but she was brave, and the universe listens

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00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: to brave. The universe listens to brave. So for all

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00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: of us as we are going through transitions in life,

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00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: we don't always have to be ready. We just have

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Speaker 1: to be She was never quite ready, but she was brave,

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Speaker 1: and the universe listens to brave. That's by Rebecca Ray.

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Speaker 1: Thanks you guys for listening.