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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three

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Speaker 1: and today the show, I'm joined by d I Y

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Speaker 1: bow hunter Keith Cisco to discuss in detail exactly how

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Speaker 1: he locates studies and moves in on top tier white

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Speaker 1: tail box. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by on X. Today the show, we

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Speaker 1: have got another good one for you. And I might

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Speaker 1: be biased here, but I feel like the last month

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Speaker 1: of shows has just been loaded with great white tail knowledge.

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Speaker 1: Joe Rentmester, Any ma Ustin Hollandsworth and now Heath Cisco.

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Speaker 1: That's just a stacked lineup of deer hunters, and that

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Speaker 1: of course is by design. Hunting seasons quickly approaching and

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Speaker 1: as all of our preparations are ramping up as we

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Speaker 1: head in the hunting season, I want to make sure

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Speaker 1: that we're ramping up the podcast and all the knowledge

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Speaker 1: that we can bring you to. So we're going to

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Speaker 1: continue that in the coming weeks and months. We've got

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Speaker 1: some really great how to stuff coming up, and today's

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Speaker 1: episode definitely fits right in there with that. You know,

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Speaker 1: Heath Cisco is a very experienced big buck hunter from Ohio.

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Speaker 1: He's been involved with filming for Don and Candy Kisski,

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Speaker 1: The Learning Curve and White Tail Addictions, where his most

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Speaker 1: recent hunts have now been airing. He's hunted in a

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Speaker 1: variety of places all across the country, ranging from farm

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Speaker 1: country scenarios to hill country and all along the way.

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Speaker 1: He's targeted top tier bucks, you know, just pushing himself

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Speaker 1: year after year after year to become better. And here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. You know, whether or not you want to

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Speaker 1: shoot a doe or a young buck, or any buck

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Speaker 1: or a big niture buck, whatever it is, whatever your

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Speaker 1: goals are, you can learn from somebody like this, Because

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Speaker 1: I think that when you've got a guy who is

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Speaker 1: setting high standards for himself and he's figured out ways

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Speaker 1: to meet those goals, you know what someone that's had

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Speaker 1: to learn a lot, who's had to test a lot

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Speaker 1: to figure out new approaches, and then they have to

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Speaker 1: get over that next hump, over that next personal goal. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you can learn a lot from somebody like this, regardless

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Speaker 1: of what your goals are. And I think that I

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Speaker 1: think that I certainly didn't. I think you will to

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Speaker 1: learn some things from Heath. And here's the other thing

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Speaker 1: that's pretty interesting is that Heath is actually hunting Buddies

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Speaker 1: with Justin Hollandsworth, our guest on the podcast last week.

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Speaker 1: And I did this on purpose, you know, having them

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Speaker 1: on back to back episodes, because I think it. I

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Speaker 1: think it is kind of interesting to compare and contrast

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Speaker 1: their two approaches and these two discussions, because you've got

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Speaker 1: two guys here who share ideas, who think about things

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Speaker 1: in some of us in some similar ways, who swap

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Speaker 1: hunting stories, who share hunting properties, even and you think

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Speaker 1: that they would do the exact same thing. Maybe, but

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Speaker 1: that's not entirely true, or at least it's not. It's

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Speaker 1: So I think by having these two conversations back to

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Speaker 1: that they both use, but through two different sets of eyes,

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Speaker 1: two different sets of experiences, and uh, at least from

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Speaker 1: my vantage point, it turned out being very interesting and helpful. UM,

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Speaker 1: and I'm I'm armed now with some new ideas that

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. I'm excited for you to hear it. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you guys tuning in. Man, we've been around a

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Speaker 1: long time this podcast. I mean years and years and years,

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Speaker 1: three and fifty some episodes of the main show, and

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Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and you guys have stuck with us.

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Speaker 1: I hope, I hope that what am I trying to

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Speaker 1: say here? I hope it's because we've been helpful enough

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Speaker 1: And if that's the case, I'm tickled. That's that's all

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Speaker 1: I can ever wish for. So all that is to say,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Enjoy this one. Sit back, grab a pen

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Speaker 1: and let's get ready to talk bucks. All right. I'm

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Speaker 1: excited now to have on the line with me, Heath Cisco. Heath,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, Mark appreciate it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is UH, this is gonna be a good chat.

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Speaker 1: I can already tell I've I've been listening to various

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Speaker 1: things you've done. I've I've seen various videos you've done.

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Speaker 1: I've talked to people you know, UM and so I

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Speaker 1: dig into all sorts of things related to how you

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Speaker 1: with who you are, can you just give us the

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Speaker 1: quick rundown. Who's Heath Cisco? How did you get to

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Speaker 1: this point? Sure? Well, I started bow hunting at an

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Speaker 1: And then in two thousand six, UH stumbled onto a

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Speaker 1: hunting completely changed after that point, and I've been very

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Speaker 1: successful over the past several years. Yeah, you've got a

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Speaker 1: there that a lot of us have learned from from Afar,

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Speaker 1: else and relocating it to a spicer? Yes, and I

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Speaker 1: right that you guys have in the past shared hunting

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Speaker 1: ways to manage that when you've got two serious hunters

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Speaker 1: because like me and Justin are really good friends and

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Speaker 1: we share information on the properties that we hunt in Illinois.

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Speaker 1: And uh so I used some of his information to

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Speaker 1: I can definitely test to that. I've certainly had a

432
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 1: long period of my hunting career where that's that was

433
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 1: kind of the state of operation where I was constantly

434
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 1: just trying not to screw it up. It was just

435
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 1: so worried about blowing a deer out that that, Yeah,

436
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 1: you can just become paralyzed and and never really put

437
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 1: yourself in a position to succeed because you're so worried

438
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 1: about messing it up. So it's a great it's a

439
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 1: great point. Now with these high standards that you're setting

440
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: for yourself, you're setting pretty aggressive goals. You're going in

441
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 1: after specific bucks. You mentioned that you used to do

442
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 1: all that scouting the spring and then come back and

443
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: hunt later in the fall, and sometimes these bucks who

444
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 1: were after warning even the neighborhood. So what are you

445
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: doing now to to actually locate that best buck? You

446
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 1: know that the typed tier buck. Does that Does that

447
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: start in the summer with glass sing? Does that start

448
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: with just trail cameras in season? How do you actually

449
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 1: locate that number one buck or two that you're after

450
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 1: each year? So several different ways. It may start during

451
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 1: the previous hunting season. It may start two seasons prior

452
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: when I've seen this buck or got some pictures of it.

453
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 1: It may start when I'm scouting a new farm in

454
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: the spring and I locate some big sign and then

455
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 1: if you know, put hang some cameras in there over

456
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 1: a mineral liquor whatever, just trying to locate and figure

457
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: out what bucket is and you go from there. Or

458
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 1: it could be driving around on the back roads, uh

459
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, in mid August glassing bean fields anyway. Or

460
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 1: it could be just from a rumor of somebody saying, hey,

461
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: you know, we jumped the big buck back here in

462
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: gun season and nobody got him, you know that kind

463
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 1: of deal. Then I'll try to uh figure I'll look

464
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: at aerial photos, figure out property owners, and then dive

465
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: in after that if I can get permission. Do you

466
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 1: ever go into a summer period where there's not a

467
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: buck from previous years that you're really thinking you're gonna

468
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: be too interested in. You haven't picked up anything on camera,

469
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: so you you actually go out proactively searching for a

470
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: buck like that in the summer, knowing that you're gonna

471
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: have to get new permission, but you're just gonna drive

472
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: around until you see that one seventy or that one

473
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: eighty or that special buck, um, knowing that you're just

474
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 1: gonna have to figure out access somehow. Sure, well, I

475
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: haven't you know a lot of farms that I can

476
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: hunt I have access to in Ohio, and uh so

477
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, the quality of buck

478
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: may not be on one of those farms, or maybe

479
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: there's a couple bucks that are good bucks, but maybe

480
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: I'm I hear about another just absolute giant on another farm,

481
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: and then I try to pursue permission on it as well.

482
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: And then you know, I like, I like having three

483
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: or four bucks that I have on my list to

484
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: actually go after, because something always happens, another hunter moves

485
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: in here, or you lose permission and or this buck

486
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: just disappears and then you know, like this year, I

487
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: had a buck that I was pursuing in Ohio that

488
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: would I would have thought that would have hit that

489
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: one seventy mark, and he disappeared on me. He lived

490
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: on a farm that I didn't have access to, but

491
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: it had access to the neighboring farm and he didn't

492
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: live on me. So I hunting it, hunted him sparingly

493
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: and hoping that during the rut he would slide over

494
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: through there with a dog because I had a lot

495
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: of dose on my farm. And he ended up disappearing

496
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: on November eight. I never got another picture of him again,

497
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 1: never seen him. But I was I can't say I was.

498
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: I was somewhat in the game, but it was a

499
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: rut game that I was playing. I was hoping one

500
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: of the ladies would drag him over. It just never happened. Yeah,

501
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: that's a it's a risky game to play, just never

502
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 1: know sure. And I was not able to locate another

503
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: huntable buck of that caliber, so uh, I spent my

504
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: season season looking around trying to find a buck like

505
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: that and end up getting on an older age class

506
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: Buck in late December and was able to take it

507
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: in January. Nice. So let's let's keep talking summer. Um.

508
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: Can you walk me through your summer glassing. Is that

509
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: simply a matter of driving around the neighborhood by properties

510
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: already hunt or do you have I don't know. Do

511
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: you ever look at the maps and say, man, this

512
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: is a good looking area. I want to explore this

513
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: spot and start driving around. And I don't know any

514
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: specifics as far as how you try to locate summer

515
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: bucks in that way. So I'll take a few trips

516
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: in my truck glass and bean fields from the road,

517
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 1: and I've had some success with that, some pretty good

518
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: success with that. Then other ones, uh they'll be like

519
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: a hidden bean field or a a isolated uh CRP

520
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: field to where I know some deer hangout throughout the summer,

521
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: maybe staging to go up go on out to the

522
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: road where maybe beans are and stuff. So I use

523
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: that a little bit. I'm mainly try to run my

524
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: cameras in different let's say water holes, because you when

525
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,959
Speaker 1: it gets real dry in the summer, you find seeps

526
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: and subside of these hills and then maybe there're a

527
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: pond or and in Ohio you're allowed to run minerals,

528
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: So running minerals is great to get pictures of bucks

529
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: in July and August. So I'll try to locate them

530
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: that way. Like I said, I haven't had a lot

531
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: of success driving around, but I have had some pretty

532
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: good success. What's your what's your routine with the summer cameras.

533
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: How often do you check at that time of the year. Well,

534
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: I'll I put my cameras out this coming weekend. It's

535
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: always round right around July four, and then I'll leave

536
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: him out till late August, and then I'll go back

537
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: in late August and replenish the mineral and uh and

538
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: pull the switch the cards out and then I won't

539
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: go back in there and tell um mid September and

540
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: pull the cards again and then uh. A lot of

541
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: times where we I hang cameras and stuff. You know,

542
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: the deer aren't living there in the summer. Some of

543
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: them are some of the mark they're on out staged

544
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: in other areas, on other farms where the food is

545
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: because it's all about food. So and if I don't

546
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: have anything come you know September that I know there's

547
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: some areas where deer always when they do their transition

548
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: from summer patterns to UH fall ranges. Uh, they'll move

549
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: in and I can usually locate one that way. Yes,

550
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: So what's then the shift? When that shift happens, you

551
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: get into September, dear kind of relocate. How do you

552
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: transition your trail camera strategy are you I'm assuming maybe

553
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: you move to new locations. Uh, just the mock scrape

554
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: locations with those pines he mentioned, Or do you do

555
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: anything else? Well, I don't. Usually I don't put the

556
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: pine tree limbs out. Tell about the first, first or

557
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: second week of October, and in almost all my pine

558
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: pictures or mock scrape with pine tree limb pictures are

559
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: UH the second week of October through the first week

560
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: in November, and then I'll get some more I'll leave

561
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: them out, but it's mainly that time frame, and then

562
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: at the end of November I'll get pictures again on

563
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: them because during the usually during the breeding phase, and

564
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: don't get bury made pictures because they're usually locked down

565
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: with the dose. But I transition my cameras back to UH.

566
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: A big goal is to find the acorn acorn trees

567
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: that are producing. Let's say, if I can find a

568
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: white oak flat that's uh loaded with acorns, I just

569
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: know the deer are gonna stack in there. Down here.

570
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: They they've cut a lot of timber and there's not

571
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: a lot of You may have a acre farm and

572
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: there's only let's say thirty white oak trees. If you

573
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: can find them white oak trees and they got acorns

574
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: on them, you can guarantee you that the biggest buccaneer

575
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: area is probably gonna be in there eating acorns at

576
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: some point in time. Uh, if there's no pressure and

577
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: I set up cameras associated with food and so that

578
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: that's an interesting thing that I'm constantly debating, trying to

579
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: find those in seasoned food sources like that. You know,

580
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: it requires you moving around more, checking out new areas,

581
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: and going back to what you alluded to earlier. The

582
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: whole fear of failure. I am always worried, you know,

583
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: if I move around too much looking for something like

584
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: that hot oak tree, Um, I couldn't bumping something around.

585
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: How do you balance that? How do you get in

586
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: there with a camera to check for oaks or just

587
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: to see it yourself and stept to hunt without doing

588
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: it too often? Or in the wrong way. Sure, well,

589
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: I'll give you a quote that andre Quisto told me.

590
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: He said, you gotta bump some deer to kill some deer. So, uh,

591
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: if you've got to think about it. If let's say

592
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: you have access to this two underd acre farm and

593
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: there's also a squirrel hunter that has access to it

594
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: as well, or a coon hunter that goes in there,

595
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: do you not think those deer are not getting jumped

596
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: by that rabbit, that squirrel hunter or that coon hunter.

597
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: They're getting pushed around. It's it's what kind of pressure

598
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: you're actually applying to it. If you go in there

599
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: and you trump through the woods and you avoid certain

600
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: betting points and this and that. You know, you're just

601
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: going through there one day and the deer sees that

602
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: they were able to avoid you, Uh, they got away. Uh.

603
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: You know it worked for him. But if you go

604
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: in there every day tiptoeing around, sneaking and acting like

605
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: a predator, you know they will start acting a little

606
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: bit differently. But you just gotta keep the wind in

607
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: your face going there and scout different corners of the farm,

608
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: going there a little bit deeper at times. Uh, I

609
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: like going in a week or so before season and

610
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: just tearing a farm apart to figure out everything you

611
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: can see the sign, and then when season gets here,

612
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: already have a game plan on where you're gonna set

613
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: up the first day, and then once you hunt there

614
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: the first day, tear your set down, scout around just

615
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: a little bit tiptoe, don't let your scent blow into

616
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: the betting area, don't go up there and push the

617
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: betting spots, and just set up again on fresh sign

618
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: and hunt in and just continue moving around, and then

619
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: as the season progresses you should be figuring a lot

620
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: more out. Then if it gets to the timeframe like

621
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: happened to me last year in Illinois where it was

622
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: the last week of October and you still haven't been

623
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: able to get it done. But you know around about

624
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: where that buck's betting diving there, scout it out and

625
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: hang a set on their bed if everything works out right.

626
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: So so you gotta you gotta walk me through that

627
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: week before opening day scouting session. First off, is that

628
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: something that you're that you're gonna try to do every

629
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: year on some of your top spots, no matter what

630
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: or does it have to be, that you have to

631
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: get that right wind and it has to be a

632
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: rainy day or really windy day, or something that allows

633
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: you to be particularly stealthy with it. What's you know,

634
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: what are some the qualifiers there? Sure? So if if

635
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: I have my choice, I would prefer to go in

636
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: uh during the day when it's going to rain that night.

637
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: I want a good, good heavy rain after I'm already

638
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: through there. If at all possible, if it's a couple

639
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: of weeks before season, if I can time it that way,

640
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: then great. If not, I'll just go in there, tramp around,

641
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, do the best I can cover every inch

642
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: of the ground to see, you know, where a dear

643
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: betting at what acorn trees are dropping in your feeding on?

644
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: What kind of sign of a laid out to this point?

645
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: What kind of tracks have I seen? Is the crossing

646
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: that I've seen in the spring? Is it? You know?

647
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: Is it? Are they using it as much as they

648
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: were before? Because it's a it's a week or two

649
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: before season. So I go into that one day, tear

650
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: it apart, and then leave and I'm not back in

651
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: there again until I'm going in there that morning to hunt. Mhmm.

652
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 1: You said something that kind of stuck with me. You

653
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: mentioned about some of the things not to do. You said,

654
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: if you're walking all over too often, sneaking around like

655
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: a predator, you might spook these dear more so than otherwise.

656
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: So when you go out and do this preseason scouting session,

657
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: and you're going into that one day and you're tearing

658
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: apart to learn everything just before, are you actively trying

659
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: to be louder than you had to be? Are you

660
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: trying to kind of be like, hey, I'm a farmer

661
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: walking through here, or I'm just like a random dude

662
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: walking with my dog um or do you sneak and

663
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: you can kind of get away with it? So the

664
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: two weeks before, usually I just trumped through there, like

665
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: you know, I try not to, uh. I try to

666
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: keep the wind in my face as much as possible.

667
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: That way, if I do jump a buck, he doesn't

668
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: get wind of me. He'll just know that something scared

669
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: him up out of his bed or whatever. But I

670
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: just I trump around a lot. I want to leave

671
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: no stone unturned. Uh. But then when I go back

672
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: into hunt and and then I do my scouting, then

673
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: I kind of tiptoe a little bit, you know. I

674
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: keep the wind. I keep my wind out of the

675
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: bedding areas that I found two weeks prior. And then

676
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: I just go down and look at this crossing. I

677
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: go up there, look at this tree and see if

678
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: they're you know, eating acorns or it started dropping order.

679
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: If I seen a big rub over here, is it

680
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: still look like they're using this trail, then I'll jump

681
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: over and hunt those. Do you have any kind of

682
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: system for recording everything you find? Do you mark up maps,

683
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: do you write down in a journal what you saw?

684
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: Or do you just kind of store in your mind

685
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: and just remember the very most important stuff? Well used

686
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: to I, Uh, I just wrote down in logs. I

687
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: kept everything. I'd have an aerial photo and I would

688
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: write down different things I've seen and uh and where

689
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: my tree stands were the sign and stuff. Now, uh,

690
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: I can't say I've used it. But because I just

691
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: this Father's Day discount they had for on X, I

692
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: just purchased. Justin talked me into that. So he's a

693
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: good salesman. But uh, but I'm planning on I used

694
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: hunt stand before, but I had some issues with it.

695
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: But yes, I like uh, I like putting way points

696
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: and different things like that on different locations that I

697
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: find maybe in the spring or maybe you know, the

698
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: two weeks before when I'm in there looking around. But

699
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: usually if it's just two weeks, well it's it's not

700
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: going to leave my memory. I'll remember it pretty good.

701
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, now, what about the scenario you outline there

702
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: where you're walking through when you bump a deer and

703
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: he doesn't win you, but you bumped a buck. Um,

704
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: Let's let's lay two scenarios. One scenario is the week

705
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: or two before the season, and then the second scenario

706
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: is is actually in season you're scouting in season you

707
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: bumped the buck, would you do the exact same thing? Um, Like,

708
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: would you go right to the bed and look at it?

709
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: Or would you back away and say, Okay, I bumped

710
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: that buck out of here, but I don't want to

711
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: mess it up anymore. I'm gonna wait until hunting season.

712
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 1: What do you what's your next move after you bump

713
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: a buck up? So it depends on if if I

714
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: bump it pretty close, then I'll just stand there and

715
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: look around and surveying the situation and then try to, uh,

716
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: if I need to move over twenty yards, if I

717
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: need to go up and look at his bed, just

718
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: to see what he will see what he can see.

719
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: I will do that if I'm purposefully going in to

720
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: jump a the buck out of a certain bedding area,

721
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: then once I jump him, I'm gonna go over and

722
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: check out what he's stand up or buy his bed,

723
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: just to kind of try to find his travel route

724
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: into that bed, and then I'll back off, hang my

725
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: stand and then I'll be there to the next morning.

726
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: But I definitely don't during season go in jump a buck.

727
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: I don't purposely go in and jump a buck unless

728
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunting the next morning during season. Now, what

729
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: what do you how do you actually do that next step?

730
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: When you described actually going in there standing in the

731
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: bucks bed and trying to learn how he comes in

732
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: and out and what he's doing. Can you walk me

733
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: through like exactly what you're looking at, exactly how you

734
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: kind of read the clues. Sure, so, I said, if

735
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: if I'm purposely going in to jump a buck out

736
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: of the bed, for one, I know what the wind

737
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: direction is that day, and that tells me where this

738
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: buck's probably going to be bedded from where I seen

739
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: let's say a couple of weeks before or the prior

740
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: spring I'll get the wind in my face, head into

741
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: that bedding area and just you know, ease forward, ease forward,

742
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: and and eventually hopefully jump that specific buck and see

743
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: exactly where he's bed and where he runs off. When

744
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: I do that, I'm thinking, Okay, the wind this morning,

745
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: at let's say seven o'clock in the morning, was blowing

746
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: this way. It's still blowing this way. It's coming out

747
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: of the north, let's say. So if I know that,

748
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: I know that he's gonna try to get as much

749
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: nose wind from that bed as he can before he

750
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: gets up into it. If the wind had stayed constant

751
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: that day. So I'll figure out how they're kind of

752
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: jay hooking into that bed, whether he's coming in out

753
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: of a ditch down below, walking straight up towards it,

754
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: or he's coming down a ridge and just making a

755
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: little loop out into that bed. Then I'll set up

756
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: my stand from there, uh to hopefully the next morning.

757
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: Usually when I go into too hunt bucks bed or

758
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: look for a buck's bed. If if there's gonna be

759
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: a rain that night, it's a perfect situation because it'll

760
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: wash away my scent and then I have maybe a

761
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 1: day or two to play with it. If it isn't

762
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: going to rain, but the wind's supposed to remain constant

763
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: in the same direction the following day. I have more

764
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: confidence than going in there knowing that if I jump him,

765
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: I can set up on that and the wind is

766
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: gonna be the same the next morning, and he's going

767
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: to take the same travel path more or less into

768
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: that spot again, and I can take a bandage of it.

769
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: But I would not. I would not do that if

770
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: if today the wind's coming out of the north, I'm

771
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: going to jump in the buck out of his bed,

772
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: but tomorrow morning is supposed to be coming out of south,

773
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: I would not do that. I would I want the

774
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: conditions it could change, but I want the conditions to

775
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: be the same wind that day as it's going to

776
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: be the next day. We're on the same wavelength. Heaf.

777
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: That was exactly what I wasn't ask you about. What, um,

778
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: what type of scenario would you have to be in

779
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: to do that to actually proactively go in there and

780
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: try to bump a buck out of his bed. Is

781
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: that when you get to desperation mode and you're thinking,

782
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: all right, I gotta make something happen, UM, or I

783
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: don't know what gets you to the point where you

784
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: decide that you're gonna go and use that strategy other

785
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: than just the consistent wind direction thing which you just mentioned. Sure, well,

786
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: one of the main things is you got to know

787
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: when to lay back and let things, uh, you know,

788
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: develop theirself, and then you've got to know when you

789
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: gotta lay on it and get it done. Uh. I've

790
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: sent back too many years in the past and just

791
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: waiting on things to develop, and maybe the neighbor kills it,

792
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: or maybe the buck disappears. Knowing the roundabout area bucks

793
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: betting in what I usually do is hunt travel corridors,

794
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: food sources, and stuff in early October the first week

795
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: or two. Then when it gets into the uh to

796
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: the going on the third week, and if I'm getting nervous,

797
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: that's just something's gonna happen to this book or whatever.

798
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: I don't think that I'm gonna be able to have

799
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: time to get it done, then I'll get aggressive the

800
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: same way. Out in Illinois this past fall, Justin had

801
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: four days to go out there and and hunt. And

802
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: he went out there and hunted and seemed to buck

803
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: a couple of times. It was the last week of October.

804
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: I got out there on I didn't have time to

805
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: screw around. We knew this buck was in this block

806
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: of timber. I had scouted it before, uh not that season,

807
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: but the any years past, and I kind of knew

808
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: there was several knolls or fingers that this these uh

809
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: older age class bucks like betting on. So it was

810
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: supposed to rain that night, the wind was supposed to

811
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: stay consistent the following day, so I dove right in

812
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: there after I suspected that most of the deer would

813
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: have been moved down into the field. Dove in air,

814
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: scouted out several points, located a couple of big beds,

815
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: some big rubs, and a couple of big tracks, and

816
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: I could see kind of how I knew by the

817
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: lay of the land and the way the wind was

818
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: going to be blowing that how they would assume would

819
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: be approaching approaching the bed. And I hung a stand

820
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: and and you can see in the video and white

821
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: tell addictions to where the bucks were looping right in.

822
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: They got a little nervous, Uh the wind was gusting

823
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: back and forth a little bit, and they decided, for

824
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: some reason they wouldn't go bed under this big hedge

825
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: apple tree where all these beds were, and they decided

826
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: to cut down the bank to go to the other

827
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: bed and that's when I was able to take my shot. Yeah,

828
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: I saw that. I was. I was struck by the

829
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: timing of your scouting session because, like you mentioned, Justin

830
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: had been seeing this buck going out to a field

831
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: and so you I feel like the first thing I

832
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: would have thought would have been to hell. I don't

833
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: know what I would have done. You had to go

834
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: into a betting area in season and try to scout

835
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: it out, but you planned it in a way so

836
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: that that buck would hopefully be already on his feet

837
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: heading to the food source. I think I remember hearing

838
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: or seeing the video or somewhere that you headed in

839
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: there like four o'clock in the afternoon or four thirty

840
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: in the afternoon to go scouting. Um, how did you

841
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: how did you tell? Maybe I'm wrong on that, correct

842
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. But secondly, how did you plan

843
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: your your route in there so you weren't spooking a

844
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: bunch of deer? What you know? How did you actually

845
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: scouted out? I gotta imagine that must have been high stakes,

846
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: high stakes, high intensity sneaking in there when he could

847
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: have still been right in there. Sure well, uh so

848
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: Justin told me when he's seen him out in that

849
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: field a couple of times he was out there. Most

850
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: of the deer got out there around four thirty, and

851
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 1: the buck was shortly after. So my goal was, I thought,

852
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: you know what, I I know this area real well.

853
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: My goal is to dive in let's say the winds

854
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: coming out of the north. My goal was to dive

855
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: into the south side of this uh block of timber.

856
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: Slowly worked my way up through there, and my plan

857
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: was to get as much scouting in from four thirty

858
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: till dark as I could. And I was hoping that

859
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: either the deer would have already moved out into this

860
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: field to feed, or if I did bump them, they

861
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: would already be up and headed that way. So I

862
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: come in from the south side. I checked out two knolls,

863
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: or it is that I thought that they he could

864
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: possibly be on. One of them had some big beds,

865
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: but didn't have really any sign meaning a rubs or

866
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: or big tracks. But the beds have been used, you know,

867
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: within the last couple of weeks. Then I went to

868
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: the other ridge and it was just like a lightbulb

869
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: come on. I mean you you could just feel a

870
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: big buck with staying right there, several big rubs. I've

871
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: seen a couple of big tracks in these huge beds,

872
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: big as a car hood, and I just knew that

873
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: was his. And what's funny is I did not jump

874
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: a single deer that evening when I come in from

875
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: the backside at four thirty. Normally, what I would do

876
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: is I would go in around noon and try to

877
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: scalp this out. But I thought, you know what, I'll

878
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: just let the deer move out and I'll come in

879
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: behind him and and figure it out because I knew

880
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: that I could find that buck's bed and I didn't

881
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: need to jump him out of it. I just I

882
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: knew he was on one of these three points. And

883
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: when I went in there, like I said, it was

884
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: just like a lightbulb went off. When I seen it,

885
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: I thought, this thing is dead. If I can get

886
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: a stand up in there and the windstays can stim

887
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of genius. And it's not something you hear

888
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: about a whole lot. I don't know if I've had

889
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: anybody else talk to me about waiting for a deer

890
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: to leave in the afternoon and evening, scouting out their

891
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: bedding area and setting up for next morning. I've heard

892
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: of bumping them, but I've never heard of people actually

893
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: trying to wait till they left. It's a it's a

894
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: small little shift, but it makes a lot of sense. Um,

895
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: how did you actually I know you describe some of

896
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: your thought process there, but what the tree set up?

897
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: How did you What was that actual tree? Where was

898
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: it set up? In relations where you saw that bed.

899
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: I just kind of curious about how you exactly picked

900
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: that spot, because that decision picking that tree close to

901
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: a bed seems so crucial. Trying to guess how they're

902
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: gonna come back in the next morning, all that stuff.

903
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: It definitely isn't and you're gonna The only way you

904
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: can learn that is to screw up, uh, set your

905
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: stand in the wrong spot on numerous occasions before you

906
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: start figuring things out. Every situation is a little bit different.

907
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: But I know that just these bucks weren't gonna just

908
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: come come from the south end of the farm and

909
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: walk in with a nose wind and walk straight up

910
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: to that bed. I knew they were feeding to the north,

911
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: so I knew that they were gonna have to make

912
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: a little bit of a loop to just get enough

913
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: of that bed to where they felt comfortable to walk

914
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: up into it. So basically, the bed was northeast of

915
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: me about thirty yards, if that makes sense, with a

916
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: northerly to a little bit of a west northwest wind.

917
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm off to I'm off the edge of

918
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: that wind just a little bit, so I'm kind of south.

919
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm kind of south west of the bed. The bed

920
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: is northeast to me with a little with a mainly

921
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: north wind, but a little bit of west to it.

922
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: And what about Yeah, what about the ridge? So this

923
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: is on a little knoll. So were you downhill from it,

924
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: off the side of the ridge from it, right on

925
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: the point with it? What was that looking like? I

926
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: was where? I wasn't right on the point, because that's

927
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: where the bed was. I was damn on from it

928
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: down towards that ditch. That's why I got up pretty high.

929
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: I was probably uh pushing maybe thirty feet, But it's

930
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: just because of the the drop in elevation of the tree.

931
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: And you set up that evening, am I right when

932
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: you scouted it out? You picked the train got set

933
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: up right then. Yes, I I went in with a

934
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: stand on my back, and that's uh, that's one of

935
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: the great advantages of having a altar light tree stand

936
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: in the Quista series. One point, I had it on

937
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: my back, had my backpack with UH, and I had

938
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: my trimmor and stuff with me and just went right in.

939
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: And the whole purpose was to uh find that bed

940
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: and set up on it immediately, and I was. I

941
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: got out of there right after dark. You mentioned that

942
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: your trimmor. How much trimming did you do in there?

943
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: I didn't have to do much at all. I had

944
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: one limb I needed to cut that was dead, it

945
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: was only about two ft long. And I had another

946
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: branch that I needed to trim that was I got

947
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: an extended poles all and I reached up and cut

948
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: it down and got right out of there. Do you

949
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: usually out to keep it pretty minimal like that? Or

950
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: at times if you're going in this kind of scenario

951
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: where you're just basically trying to kill him the next morning,

952
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: would you be willing to do a bunch of cutting

953
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: if it requires it, just because you're so dead set

954
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: on it's a swinger. A miss is a home run

955
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: kind of situation. You're either gonna go for it all

956
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 1: or nothing. Well, you gotta be able to get the shot.

957
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: So if I need to trim a couple of tree limbs,

958
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: what have you, I'll do it, Uh, because when he

959
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: comes back and then realizes what the heck happened, you

960
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: better have an arrow in him. Yeah. But in this case,

961
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: I could have trimmed, in my opinion, as much as

962
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to, because a big storm was coming in

963
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: that night. We had X amount of rain and then

964
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: it turned to snow, so whatever I did was going

965
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: to be gone. I just didn't want to make things

966
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: really obvious. But uh, I didn't have to trim hardly anything.

967
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: That's nice. So here's here's something I feel like most

968
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: people in the scenario you described where your buddy had

969
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: been hunting there and he saw the deer come out

970
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: to a field in daylight multiple days in a row.

971
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: Most guys at this time period in October would think,

972
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna kill him in the evening. I'm

973
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: gonna go back to that field or sit back from

974
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: that field edge a little bit and try to kill

975
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: him where my buddy's been seeing him. Why didn't you

976
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: do that? Why did you instead want to kill him

977
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: in the morning. Well, and that questionnaire is exactly why

978
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: I end up killing him. I had four days to hunt. Uh.

979
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: The first day, the first evening when I got out

980
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: there was burnt hanging a set. It was the end

981
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: of October, it was. I got out there on the twenty,

982
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: I got out there on nine, and I killed the

983
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: thing on October thirty one. I knew it any second

984
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: that Buck would be hooking up with a dough and

985
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: be gone, be on the neighboring property, being who knows where.

986
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: I didn't have time to waste. I could have set

987
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: after and played the game on the edge of the

988
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: field and possibly got a crack at him because he

989
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: was coming out there almost every evening. But I didn't

990
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: have time to gamble. I didn't have time to get

991
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: out there and you know, set a couple of evenings

992
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: and maybe he cut my track, maybe he busted me.

993
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to. I knew with the lay of this

994
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: farm and those betting points, I knew that I could

995
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: get in there and get it done, especially with the

996
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: everything added up, the weather conditions. Justin saying he's seeing

997
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: him out in the field of four thirty the end

998
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: of October, all that played together. If it was a

999
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 1: week prior, I would have probably sat back and played

1000
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: the edges of that field. So when you when you

1001
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: want to make this gopher broke move, when you really

1002
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: got to get it done, you gotta kill him. Is

1003
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: taking that morning hunt swing in the betting area you're

1004
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: is that the go to move or could another option

1005
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: in a different set of scenarios be an evening hunt

1006
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: but just pushing and really tight um. I'm kind of

1007
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: curious about that. So a couple of things in my opinion, uh,

1008
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: late October, like that the morning hunt in his specific

1009
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: bed is the way to go because that's where he's

1010
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: coming to. If I'm hunting the edge of the field,

1011
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: I know he's coming out in that field. But Justin

1012
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: said he come out in that field two different times,

1013
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: in two different spots. So do I take a gamble

1014
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: and get over here in this spot and he comes

1015
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: out in the other one, But then when I'm exiting

1016
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: the field that he bust me or another one bust me.

1017
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: Or do I take a gamble and jump on the

1018
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: other spot that he said he come out of and

1019
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: maybe it not happened, or he end up cracking me

1020
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: while I'm on the stand and then starts playing that

1021
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: game and avoiding that field. I just knew that getting

1022
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: in there, with the timing and everything. Like I said,

1023
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: if it was a different time frame, different weather conditions,

1024
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: I may have played a little bit safer, but I

1025
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: went for broke. Yeah. How early do you try to

1026
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: get in for those morning hunts? Because I feel like

1027
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: that's always the biggest worry, especially in October, is that

1028
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: these bucks are going to come back to bed earlier

1029
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: than you know you'd normally or earlier than you want

1030
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: them to, and then you might they might beat you there.

1031
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: How early did you try to get in there? Sure,

1032
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: So when I'm hunting, when I'm targeting a buck bed

1033
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: and going in and hunting that specifically bad a couple

1034
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: of things that I play. The weather. You know, if

1035
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: there's a storm late in the afternoon and it could

1036
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 1: possibly keep them bucks out feeding longer the next morning.

1037
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: If the moon I go off, the moon guide go off,

1038
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: the overhead and underfoot moon times f it's a red moon,

1039
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: and it's saying those bucks are gonna be feeding within

1040
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: the first couple of hours of daylight. That's the time

1041
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: to jump on that bed because they're gonna be late

1042
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: coming back to it. And like I said, to the weather,

1043
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: the weather Trump's moon, always Trump's moon. If I can

1044
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: play the weather conditions, that's what I'll do. That's whatever's

1045
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: going to keep them on their feet longer in the morning.

1046
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: That way, they're delayed getting back to their bed. But

1047
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: when I go into a hunt, Uh, everybody does a

1048
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: little bit differently. I know that Andre and Cody, Uh,

1049
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: they get in there, they don't get in real early.

1050
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: I get in real early. I get in there at

1051
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: least half an hour before daylight. I like things to

1052
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: settle down and get situated because you know, pack and

1053
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: camera gear and all that kind of stuff, and just

1054
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: get comfortable. And it takes me a lot longer to

1055
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: get to my spots because I make sure I don't

1056
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, break a sweat, stay as clean as I

1057
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: can and quiet as I can, and slip right in there.

1058
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: What if you do everything you try, you do everything

1059
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: you describe, you never do everything as best as you

1060
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: pie stably can. You're in the right spot, the conditions

1061
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: were right. Uh, you you picked the right area. But

1062
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: he comes circling in and the wind swirls, or he

1063
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: comes in just a little bit different than you thought

1064
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: and he busts you. Your your high risk, high reward

1065
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: scenario doesn't pan out, and you spook the buck. What

1066
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: is your game playing after that? How would you just

1067
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: how do you relocate him? Sure? First off, you that

1068
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: was a great learning experience. You tried it. He did

1069
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: something a little bit differently. You learned that for the

1070
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: next time. What I would do is I would, uh,

1071
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: I would back off. I would move to another location

1072
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: in that wood lot, maybe that that there's some good

1073
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: sign good travel, and I would I would hunt that.

1074
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: Or I would back off and just go hunt another

1075
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: buck for a day or two and then bounce back

1076
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: in there. Not necessarily into bed, but uh, but maybe

1077
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: hunt the edge of the field. See if he's still

1078
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: coming out, because you know they're not gonna I mean,

1079
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: if he cracks you on that bed, more than likely

1080
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: he's not going to come back to that bed. And

1081
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: he's just moving over two ridges, you know what I mean.

1082
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: So it's you just gotta know it's it could be.

1083
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: But but the most of the time what I found

1084
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: is that they just move. I mean, he may move

1085
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: over to ridge just he may move to the south

1086
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: end of the farm. He may move to the neighbors.

1087
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: But you know, I could sit back and play this

1088
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: game and he may move there. Anyways, why not go

1089
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: in and uh, if I know where he's at, go

1090
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: in and get it done or at least or at

1091
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: least put myself make an opportunity for myself. If I

1092
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 1: fail and don't succeed with that opportunity, then I worked

1093
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: my butt off to get me another one. What about

1094
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: the the actual ways when you said you said you

1095
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: go hunt a different spot on the farm, or go

1096
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: hunt a different farm when you're trying to pattern a

1097
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 1: new situation, pattern a new buck, or repattern a buck

1098
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: or relocate him. Uh, you you've got cameras out, You've

1099
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: talked about that. I know that you're scouting in season,

1100
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: walking around, moving around, but what are you what are

1101
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: you specifically doing to try to find a specific buck?

1102
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: Is it simply doing all those things with one buck

1103
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: in mind and just adjusting off that. Were there any

1104
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: particular things you do when it's hey, I want this buck, Like,

1105
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: how do you tighten the news on them? So, for one,

1106
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: it depends on what time of year it is. Every

1107
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: situation is different. If it's early season, I'll do these

1108
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: these things. If it's mid to October, I may do this.

1109
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: If it's the last week October and may do this.

1110
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: And then if it's the rut, it's just a crapshoot

1111
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: or late seasons completely different. I'll sit back and watch fields.

1112
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: I mainly go in and try to scout and find

1113
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: the biggest sign I can find, and then find the

1114
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: biggest tracks, especially if I already know a buck is

1115
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: on that farm that I'm wanting to target. Usually I

1116
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: can go in there and look for the biggest sign

1117
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: and find the biggest tracks, and that's usually him. I

1118
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: have done that before and it turned out to be

1119
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: a you know, just a big body. You know, let's

1120
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: say a hundred and thirty inch and I'm trying to

1121
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: kill it one seventy. It just depends. You know. Some

1122
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: of these dear heck, they if you get pictures of them,

1123
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: you need to go in and inspect area where he

1124
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: was getting pictures, especially if you got them over a scrape,

1125
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: and see what kind of track you got, what size

1126
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: of track? Is there any identification things that you can

1127
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: note about that track, and then if if there is,

1128
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: if you can measure it, you know, when it's not

1129
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 1: skewed in the dirt. And you may see that track

1130
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: two days later and say, how that's him, you know,

1131
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: because here's that sign, and then start building off of that.

1132
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: What is the how big of a track is that

1133
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: to be? To get your attention? Well, I mean, I

1134
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: mean I like three to three and a half finger

1135
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: track when I'm looking at them, you know, one that's

1136
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: not screwed in the dirt or slid or whatever. But

1137
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the the track I put three fingers

1138
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: in it. If it's bigger than that, that gets my attention.

1139
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: I try to look and if you can see where

1140
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: they've let's they walk down the edge of the creek

1141
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: or whatever I want to. There's a couple of things

1142
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: you look at. Uh. Older bucks are usually the bigger bucks,

1143
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: of course. And older bucks, uh you know they're they

1144
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: start getting arthritis and stuff like that, so they have

1145
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: they have a little bit wider shoulders, and there arthritis

1146
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: and stuff in their back legs and stuff in their spine.

1147
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: Their feet their back feet don't cover don't completely cover

1148
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: their front track. So if you look at a track,

1149
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: it's three fingers wide or wider. That back foot does

1150
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: not come all the way up or cover the front track.

1151
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,959
Speaker 1: That usually is an indication that it's an older buck,

1152
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: especially if the shoulders are a little bit wider and

1153
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: the back foot goes on the inside just a little

1154
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: bit of that front track. So what makes sense? Yeah?

1155
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: It does? But what do you do when you find

1156
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: that track? So you're out there, you're poking around. Um,

1157
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: you come across this big track, it's a three and

1158
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: a half finger track. You see, you see these things

1159
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: and tells you okay, yes, this should be a big

1160
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: old buck. Do you stop and say, okay, I got

1161
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: the intel I need? Or do you follow that track

1162
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: of ways? Um, I'm curious what are your next steps

1163
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: after that? Okay? So it depends on where I found

1164
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: that track. If I out of before and I know

1165
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: that they bet on this ridge here, and I find

1166
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: this track and it's headed away from that bed, but

1167
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: it's still a couple of hundred yards from the food source,

1168
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: I look at how I can take advantage of that

1169
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,439
Speaker 1: particular spot, or in my mind, how they're gonna work

1170
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: their way up through there. Let's say there's another rub

1171
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: on up the on up the hill. Let's say sixty yards.

1172
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, okay, I cut his track here, here's

1173
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: where it crossed the creek. Especially if there's multiple there's

1174
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: a fresh track and then maybe a couple of old

1175
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: ones of of what looks like the same track. Then

1176
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, here's how he's headed into that being

1177
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: field or whatever. I can take advantage of south wind

1178
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: by hunting here, or I can take advantage of a

1179
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: north wind by hunting here, And then go ahead and

1180
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: throw a stand at it and set on it. And

1181
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: that's how you're gonna find out whether he's moving in

1182
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 1: daylight in there or it's a different bunk. I heard

1183
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: you say somewhere that, um, you feel that mature box,

1184
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: especially in certain different types of areas, laid down more

1185
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: or less signs. I think you said that you've seen

1186
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: in old country the bucks left a lot less signed,

1187
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: while in farm country you see a lot more. They

1188
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: just tear stuff up. Um, yes, can you is that

1189
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: still true? Do you still feel like that's the case,

1190
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: and and just elaborate on on why you think that is? So?

1191
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: A couple of things. For one, every deer is difference.

1192
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: They each got different temperaments. Some of them are just angry,

1193
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: mean bucks that are dominant, they will tear up everything,

1194
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: and in some are kind of It seems like a

1195
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: lot of times the bigger rack bucks are kind of shy,

1196
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: kind of stay back, aren't really hardcore going into the

1197
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: rut kind of bucks or whatever. Of But what I

1198
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: do is, uh, well, in in the hill country, what

1199
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: I found is the deer density is a lot less

1200
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: and the sign the deer travel a lot further and

1201
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: there's not they don't leave as much signs. What I found,

1202
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: I mean I was. I mean, a buddy of mine

1203
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: was hunting a two D class two hundred class buck

1204
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: a few years ago, and you would have never thought,

1205
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: other than tracks that there was a buck of a

1206
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty inch range in that whole on that

1207
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: whole farm, there just was zero sign, but there was

1208
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: big tracks, and we were getting this giant on camera.

1209
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: Then you go to another farm, let's say hill country,

1210
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: or not hill country, but a farm land farm. It

1211
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: may have two or three one thirties on it, and

1212
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: it looks like a world records in their tearing up jack.

1213
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: I assume because of the population, you have a higher

1214
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: deer density, more competition, they're leaving, laying down a lot

1215
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: more sign. In the hill country, it's fewer bucks, fewer deer,

1216
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: and there's not as much competition, and they travel a

1217
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: lot farther. I'm assuming, and just like I said, the

1218
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: temperament of the deer, Yeah, that makes sense. Would you

1219
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: would you say then that a big track is the

1220
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: number one most important piece of signed to work from

1221
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: when you're looking for these kinds of deer, Well, uh, yeah,

1222
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean I like to see big rubs, don't get

1223
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: me wrong, but I definitely like to see big tracks.

1224
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: And for example, a deer I found dead out in

1225
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: Iowa this year had one of the biggest feet foot

1226
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: tracks that I've ever seen, and it had the crappiest

1227
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: rack that you've ever seen. M But then again, I

1228
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: know out there on Andre's farm they found a two

1229
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty inch and non typical that had to

1230
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: attract the size of a small dough. So so that

1231
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: doesn't So if you can if you can add you know,

1232
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: if you take several things, if you can get a

1233
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: picture of a buck, whether out a mineral leck, mock

1234
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: scrape or whatever, and know that that specific buck was

1235
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: in there that day, and you can look at that

1236
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: track and associate that track with him. That helps you.

1237
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: If all you see is little, little small tracks, and

1238
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: that's great, but that buck was in there the day before,

1239
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: then hey, he doesn't have a very big track. But

1240
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: if you go in there and you haven't got a

1241
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: picture of this buck on, that's great for three weeks.

1242
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, he shows up one day.

1243
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: And when you check the cameras all these other times,

1244
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: all you've seen small tracks, the net buck shows up

1245
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: and you check the camera and you see them giant

1246
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: foot tracks, then you know what to look for. Yeah.

1247
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: Are there any other things like that when it comes

1248
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: to behavior differences or any kind of difference between your

1249
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: farm country hunting versus your hill country hunting that you've

1250
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: noticed over the years with with how dear acting or

1251
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: how you need to adjust. Uh, Like I said, in

1252
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: hill country, it seems like they move a lot farther,

1253
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: uh when there's not much pressure, especially during the rut.

1254
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: Uh In farm country, you know, they I mean they

1255
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: move a lot to they just don't I say cover

1256
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: as much ground in my opinion. And uh, but definitely,

1257
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like in hill country. Uh, and

1258
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: even in farm ground. A lot of times the bucks

1259
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: are traveling areas that don't have there's not a defined trail. Uh,

1260
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: there's not a you know, war and a dirt trail.

1261
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: They're kind of you know, moving through the area on

1262
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: their own. For instance, I had just one wood lot

1263
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: that had a big had a high fence through it,

1264
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: and there was a good buck in that area. And uh,

1265
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: he was a kg buck that I've had pictures of

1266
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: for two years, and I wasn't hunting him that year

1267
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: because I was after another one. But I wanted to

1268
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: figure out where he was crossing down through that woodlock

1269
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: because there was a high fence through there. I say

1270
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: high fence, a four foot woven wire fence with a

1271
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: strain of bob wire along the top, and there was

1272
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: two openings in it where them deer could cross through.

1273
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: So I hung cameras on it. But when I went

1274
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: in there to hang cameras on it, there was there

1275
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: was a tree that fell across that fence, and I thought,

1276
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: there ain't gonna be there's not gonna be any deer

1277
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: crossing where that tree is at. When they got an

1278
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: opening down here and an opening over there, because it

1279
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: would be awkward and kind of you know, there wasn't

1280
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: any deer traffic across it that I could tell by

1281
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: just visically looking at it. I hung a camera on

1282
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: all three of those locations, and that buck, every picture

1283
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: I got on him, was crossing where that tree was

1284
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: laying down. It was it was out of the way

1285
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: path for him to get up through there. But he

1286
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: did not want to follow where all them other deer went.

1287
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: He wanted to pave his own way. Interesting, So that

1288
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: that then makes me wonder this. So, so going back

1289
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: to your own personal history, right, you started targeting a

1290
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: certain size of buck or age of buck, and every

1291
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: year you've you've ranked, you've ramped it up more and

1292
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: more and more till now you're after the absolute top

1293
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: tier buck. Have you noticed a few I mean, I

1294
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: know the gennary things, but has there been any thing

1295
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: or two that you've noticed about these absolute top tier

1296
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,479
Speaker 1: hundred seventy class bucks, five six year old ers, whatever

1297
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: they are as far as their behavior, I know they're

1298
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: going to be more cautious. I know that they you know,

1299
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: are smart, etcetera, etcetera. But have you noticed any specific

1300
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: things that those types of deer do differently than the

1301
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: four year old one. For it is it used to

1302
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: be chasing. Sure, well, uh, they're not out there running

1303
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: around like crazy most of the time. In the first

1304
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: week in November, seems like they usually the action starts

1305
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: picking up with those around a six or seven from

1306
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,479
Speaker 1: what I've seen, But then also seen too that most

1307
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: of them have smaller cores areas. So you may go

1308
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: into a farm and think, you know that this buck's nocturnal,

1309
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: he's just not moving, so I need to wait till

1310
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: the rut. Well he's in there moving, but he's just

1311
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: got a small tight area he's moving in. And then

1312
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: it depends on personality to Uh had a bucker a

1313
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: few years ago that was an older age class buck,

1314
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: and he was a traveler. I mean, you would seem

1315
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: all kinds of different places, so he didn't have that

1316
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: small core area. But most of them that I've seen

1317
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: you talked to start talking about, you know, six and

1318
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: a half year old deer or older, they got a

1319
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 1: small core area, and to kill them outside the rut,

1320
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: you gotta get in that circle. So what about in

1321
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: the rut with that kind of buck, would you do?

1322
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: You do you stick with standard rut tactics when you're

1323
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: after that buck and just hope that you get lucky

1324
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: or do you have to do anything different during the

1325
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: rut for that caliber. So what I found in several

1326
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: circumstances is hopefully you've got some history of him during

1327
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: the rut prior to that, let's say cameras, because you're

1328
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: talking about a five six year old deer, So hopefully

1329
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: you got a little bit of a history with him.

1330
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: If I see an area on camera that I got

1331
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: the previous year where he was at, let's say on

1332
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: a certain date the year before, I kind of play

1333
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: in my mind and I'm gonna try to get over

1334
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: in that area around that same date, hoping that he's

1335
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. A lot of times. To these

1336
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: older bucks, they've been through this game several years. This

1337
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: is a this is a rut phase, and they have

1338
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: learned which does come in first. Let's say, for instance,

1339
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: uh uh, the year before I got a picture of

1340
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: this buck, uh hitting a scrape really hard in this

1341
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: one area the last week of October. Well, I'm gonna

1342
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt and scout and hunt the sign. But

1343
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: that last week of October when I got pictures of

1344
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: him the year before. I'm gonna try to get in

1345
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: there because I'm hoping that he does the same thing before.

1346
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: But I'm also playing my game of Okay, there's fresh

1347
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: sign over here. Here's what he's doing. This is what

1348
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: I need to do during the rut, though it's it's

1349
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: kind of a crapshoot. I mean, the dough can take

1350
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: him off to who knows where, And my opinion, I mean,

1351
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: I've struggled a lot in the rut. I say in

1352
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: the rut meaning from let's say the fifth through the

1353
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: uh Thanksgiving, I've just struggle cales, I'm after a particular

1354
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: buck and you just don't know where they're at. It's

1355
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: that time of year. It's being in the right stand locations,

1356
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: whether it's funnels or hunting dough betting areas and putting

1357
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: time in the stand. What about time of day, I've

1358
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: I've talked to some guys that believe that they've got

1359
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: a better chance during the rut, during the midday for

1360
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: those top tier bucks or other guys. I've heard say

1361
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: a time of year difference. So during the rut, I've

1362
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: heard that sometimes that last part of November is your

1363
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: very best time for the very best buck. Have you

1364
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: seen any of that kind of thing or is it

1365
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: all across the board? Possible? Uh? During the rut, especially

1366
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: if I go out of state, I mean, I'm out

1367
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: to hunt, so I'm going to get up in the

1368
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: stand before daylight. I'm gonna at least hunt that stand

1369
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: and tell one thirty to two o'clock. Then I may

1370
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: end up getting down and moving towards the edge of

1371
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: a food store, so I'll be back in bedding cover

1372
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: and stuff like that until about one thirty or two,

1373
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: or I may hang out in that spot all day long.

1374
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: But normally, when you're back in the finals back into

1375
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: dough betting areas, the actions a good up until around

1376
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: one two, and then I like relocating to a food

1377
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: source and that way I catch that action coming back

1378
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: out to the food sources. But yeah, hunting during mid

1379
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: day is always great during November. I say great, as

1380
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna see it's gonna be a long set.

1381
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: But at any chance, at any point in time, a

1382
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: giant buck can come walking by and you just gotta

1383
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: be there. It's time on stand during the rut. And

1384
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: that's why I don't I don't care for it as

1385
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: much because I'm I'm I'm hunting in October. It's on

1386
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: my terms, you know what I mean. It's gonna happen

1387
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: in the morning, it's gonna happen in the evening. I

1388
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about midday because I'm scouting and

1389
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: resetting up for the that evening. During the rut, it's

1390
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: just you know, button your stand. Okay, So this this

1391
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: is an interesting dilemma to consider. You are. I know

1392
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: you're pretty mobile. Um, I'm assuming, and I guess I

1393
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: don't even know if maybe I didn't ask you this.

1394
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: I guess Let's ask this first. This question. First, if

1395
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: you're setting up somewhere it's morning hunt. Let's say it

1396
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: could be morning or afternoon. I guess you see the

1397
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: buck you're after, and he moves, he does something, he's

1398
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: out of range. Let's say he's eight yards out of

1399
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: range or something. UM, My question is would you immediately

1400
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: tear down and move to go hunt that buck? You

1401
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: know at that spot you saw him? And so I

1402
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: guess the question is answer me that, but answer me

1403
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: that for two scenarios during the rut versus sometime in October.

1404
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm curious if you would do things differently during the

1405
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: rut because it's more random versus mid October late October,

1406
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,919
Speaker 1: when they're on a little bit more of a pattern. Sure,

1407
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: I would definitely do it differently, uh, each depending on

1408
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: the situation. During October, I would let the if if

1409
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: he I've seen one cross and uh, let's say eight

1410
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: yards out in front of me at eight thirty in

1411
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: the morning, I would probably play it out until about

1412
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: nine thirty, let things settle down. Then I would tear

1413
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: down my stand and I would slip up there. If

1414
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: I seen some things that led me to believe that,

1415
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: you know, he's crossed here more than just once, I

1416
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: would definitely hang a stand and be back in it

1417
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: the following morning to hunt and hopefully catch him crossing

1418
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: back through there again at eight thirty at least give

1419
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: it a good shot to see what happens. And I

1420
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: may even set that evening on that spot if the

1421
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: wind plays out right, uh during the rut, And it

1422
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: all depends on a situation. If I'm setting in the

1423
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: spot because I've seen all this stuff play out here before,

1424
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna set where I'm setting. If I'm gonna

1425
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 1: stay where I'm at if if I'm just in a

1426
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 1: spot that is kind of mediocre or whatever, and I

1427
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: see that happen and one buck cuts through there, and

1428
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: then possibly another one I may tear down immediately and

1429
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: jump up there. What kind of situation would make you

1430
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: believe that you are in the spot. I know that

1431
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 1: it's always gonna be various different things could be telling

1432
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: you that. But I'm just kind of curious if you

1433
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 1: could paint the picture of of a scenario where you

1434
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: would say, oh, yeah, this is the kind of spot

1435
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna stick it out, and what does that

1436
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: look like for you? Let's say, possibly the the down

1437
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: wind side of a bedding area on a ridge to

1438
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: where a lot of does are bedded in, and I

1439
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: just I've had little bucks and different things come up

1440
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 1: there where and clue me in on exactly where the

1441
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: bucks are traveling, or at the top of a ditch

1442
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 1: hunting a rut funnel, or at the uh, you know,

1443
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: at the at the we're a bottleneck of the woods

1444
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: bottles down and heads over into another block of timber.

1445
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,799
Speaker 1: But you know I've set the I've set those funnels

1446
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: on the block of timbers where it narrows down and

1447
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: goes to the next one, and then you know, one year, Uh,

1448
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: everything's traveling right underneath of you. Then the next year

1449
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: you see one or two bucks and they're cutting across,

1450
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, upwind of you, cutting across the open field

1451
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: and then cutting in. There's some reason they're doing that.

1452
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: Normally I'll jump over there if I see uh multiple

1453
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: deer go through that same area. Uh. But I've also

1454
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: screwed up and moved and looked back and it was

1455
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: happening where I was at. So I just gotta every

1456
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: situation is different, and you make the best uh, you

1457
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: make the best decision you can, and you live with it. Yeah.

1458
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 1: I've definitely felt the uh, the negative effects of that

1459
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 1: decision on occasion myself. I've played the cat and mouse

1460
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: game the wrong way sometimes, sure, and you you you

1461
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: can only learn from that by uh failing doing it

1462
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: and failing then you just learn from it. Yeah. So

1463
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 1: is there is there a buck like this that you

1464
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 1: already have on your mind for the season? Do you

1465
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: have the one already picked out or in your sights?

1466
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: I have a couple that I'm hoping to show back up.

1467
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: Hopefully I'll be getting pictures of him here in the

1468
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: next month. And uh, I've already got you know, ran

1469
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: through my mind several times on how I'm going to

1470
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: approach hunting it. Uh. You know this buck has been

1471
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: active before in early October, and he definitely gets active

1472
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 1: the second week of November. So we'll just I'll play

1473
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: it by ear. I'll scout and uh when uh, when

1474
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: I see that, I need to, you know, get in there.

1475
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: That's what I'll do. I gotta know more so he

1476
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: he's he can get active in early October. So I'm

1477
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: curious how are you going to monitor him leading into October?

1478
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: And We've already discussed some of your generic ideas, but

1479
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: I'm curious specifically with this buck. How are you gonna

1480
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: get heap tabs or no when to strike early in October?

1481
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: And are you willing to go hard at him in

1482
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 1: early October even though you know you'll get that maybe

1483
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,560
Speaker 1: better chance in November. Or is it you want to

1484
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: go really hard in October because he's patternable while in

1485
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: November he might be more random. What's the thought process

1486
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: there with this guy? Sure, so what I'll do is

1487
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: hunting the whole time. But I know in October from

1488
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: years past, the last couple of years that he's been

1489
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: active on a certain feeding source the first couple of

1490
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: weeks this season, so I'm gonna try to I'm not gonna,

1491
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 1: you know, dive in their deep, get onto bed or whatever.

1492
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna actively hunt that feeding source when you know

1493
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: when the conditions are good to go in there, like

1494
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 1: right you know the's on high pressure days, right after

1495
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: a weather front, a rainstorm or whatever come through. When

1496
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: I know that's it's primo dear activity evening, I'll jump

1497
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,560
Speaker 1: in there and hunt in the morning. This buck in

1498
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: early October, I don't I don't have figured out, so

1499
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to hang back. I'll when I hunt

1500
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 1: in early October, it'll be hunts that uh that aren't

1501
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: I'm not jeopardizing a lot. I'm not giving up a lot. Uh.

1502
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: And then if I can continue scouting in there tiptoe around,

1503
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: then later on in October, I'm gonna jump in there

1504
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: where I think he's bet and if things aren't playing

1505
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 1: out for me, and I'm gonna go in there and

1506
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: see if I can bust him out of his bed,

1507
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: because there's betting area that I think he stays in

1508
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: he could be betting in multiple spots. So if it

1509
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: plays out and I get into the last week of October,

1510
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: I'll tiptoe in there with the wind in my face

1511
01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 1: and see if I can bust him out of there

1512
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,560
Speaker 1: and get in there the next day and try to

1513
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: kill him. If not, I'll probably blow him out of

1514
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: that spot, and then I'll have to play it for

1515
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 1: about the fifth or sixth of November. And knowing that

1516
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: he prefers these different no betting areas and I'm one

1517
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: hunt those do betting areas and funnels in between. You've

1518
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: a couple of times through our conversation you've alluded to

1519
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: these spots that you know or that you think he's

1520
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 1: betting in. UM, and I haven't drilled down more into that,

1521
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: and as should. Can you describe some of the types

1522
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: of setups that you typically find these bigger, older bucks

1523
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: choosing his betting areas. Um, there's a handful in my

1524
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 1: mind that I can think of, Like, hey, if i'm

1525
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 1: if you know, if I'm expecting or if I'm trying

1526
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: to figure out where a buck might be betted, I'm

1527
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: gonna guess, well, my first guest on this property would

1528
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: be this thicket here, or it would be this knob

1529
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: on a ridge or something like that. I'm curious what

1530
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: the generic types of scenarios you look for when trying

1531
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 1: to find those buck beds. Sure, well, it's just by

1532
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:59,719
Speaker 1: trial and error mainly, uh in the past, different forms

1533
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: and off enough hunting for several years, and uh you

1534
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: may think of bucks betting in this spot and it

1535
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: turns out he's not, because I've guessed a lot of

1536
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 1: times and been completely wrong. But what I do is

1537
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: you go in and scout, and like I said, two

1538
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: weeks before, you go in there and jump all these

1539
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: spots that maybe that you uh maybe that you found

1540
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: in this in the spring, or maybe you're just it's

1541
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: a new farm and you're in there trumping around looking

1542
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: and you end up coming up and it's like, oh, yeah,

1543
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: they're betting in here bucks. Especially with rubs, big beds,

1544
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 1: it's usually on a uh let's say a ridge, uh

1545
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: inside of the timber uh with predominant you know, like

1546
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 1: in southern Ohio we get predominant of southwest winds. So

1547
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna how he's gonna be setting up

1548
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: to uh to take advantage of that wind. And and

1549
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 1: they like to be able to look where they can

1550
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 1: see out in front of them, and then kind of

1551
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 1: want to know where they can bounce off on one

1552
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 1: side or the other and disappear. And it's just time

1553
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: and time again going in and looking at these areas

1554
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,839
Speaker 1: and jumping deer out of them and hunting these spots.

1555
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 1: Actually figure out what they're doing. Someone may be doing

1556
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,919
Speaker 1: it a little bit differently, but they're all trying to survive,

1557
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: and they're trying to protect theirselves from a kay slipping

1558
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: up on them, a hunter or whatever, and they manipulate

1559
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 1: them just maybe just a hair different, but but they're

1560
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: all still trying to do the same thing. They want

1561
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 1: to look at their back trail, They want their back

1562
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: kind of up against some cover, and they want to

1563
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 1: be able to catch that wind coming over their shoulder. Yeah.

1564
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: Do you find any similar um patterns when it comes

1565
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 1: to how these oiler bucks or bigger bucks move when

1566
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: they're heading defeat? I hear I've heard very some people

1567
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: think they're always gonna move with the wind quarter and

1568
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: two or in their face. Some guys have said they've

1569
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 1: seen tail winds. Um is it kind of everything for

1570
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: you or do you kind of live sorry? Do you

1571
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: go into hunts with certain assumptions about how they use

1572
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: wind in those scenarios. Sure, well, uh so for one,

1573
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: uh I mean dear trial. You know, with a tailwind

1574
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: a lot their most vulnerable spot on them is their

1575
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: back trail because coue is coming up on them. They

1576
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: don't know if people can can track them or scent

1577
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: track them or what. They don't know. So what I

1578
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: found a lot of times is the deer will travel

1579
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: quartering down wind or just kind of headed down wind.

1580
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 1: A lot of times I know that in the morning,

1581
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: when you're hunting beds the wind, their travel is completely

1582
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,679
Speaker 1: based on wind. In the evening, it's mainly on where

1583
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: they want to go. If if they're wanting to go

1584
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 1: to a food source that's to the north of them,

1585
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: and they got a south wind, well they're still going

1586
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: to go to the north because that's where they want

1587
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: to go. They may loop a little bit more out,

1588
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: but that's what they're gonna do. They're gonna use more

1589
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: of their eyesight then the wind because they don't have

1590
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: the wind to their advantage. Now, when hunting in those situations,

1591
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: you want it depends on where they're going. If you

1592
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: can get it to where they can if they are

1593
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: using the nose wind, let's say, to get to that

1594
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: food source. But then you gotta take a advantage of

1595
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: that by just getting off to the side of that wind.

1596
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 1: If if that's uh, if you could see what I'm

1597
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: talking about, you just want to be off to the

1598
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: side to where you know he thinks he's comfortable with

1599
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: what wind he's getting, and you're just on the edge

1600
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 1: of that where your winds blowing out down that way,

1601
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,719
Speaker 1: but he's too far over to one side to get it. Yeah,

1602
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: but it's not impossible. You're saying that he might come

1603
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: out there with it blowing right out into the middle

1604
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: of the field completely away from him, making it super

1605
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: safe for you as a hunter. But you know you've

1606
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 1: seen some bucks do that sometimes too. Sure, absolutely, And like,

1607
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,719
Speaker 1: for instance, you got a north wind, the bucks bedded

1608
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: to the south. He gets up out of his bed.

1609
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: Let's say the wind isn't that strong that evening. So

1610
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: the bucks back here messing around doing whatever they do, feeding,

1611
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 1: maybe making some rubs, making scrapes or whatever. Back in

1612
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: his bedding area. He hasn't moved too far. He feels

1613
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: comfortable in that little fifty yard bubble because he's been

1614
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 1: layding there all day, and let's say he's waiting till

1615
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: the un sets a little bit, and then he's moving

1616
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 1: over towards closer towards the field, and he's starting to

1617
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 1: catch them thermal's coming from out in the field back

1618
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: into the woods. And if you notice a lot of

1619
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 1: these bucks like coming out in the low spots of

1620
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: these fields, it's like a the thermals all pulled down

1621
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: to those lower spots, so he can stand in that spot.

1622
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: Especially if the wind isn't blowing very hard, even though

1623
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: it is coming from the south to the north, he

1624
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 1: could be headed north. The thermal switch, everything starts sucking

1625
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: down to those cold spots, which are the low spots

1626
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: in the field, And he's gathering all this stuff uh

1627
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 1: in the field through his nose before he even steps

1628
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: out in it. Plus he has all the dummies out

1629
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 1: there that's been out there half an hour to an hour,

1630
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 1: all these other young bucks and does and all this

1631
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So it makes me feel more comfortable.

1632
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: How do you as a hunter play that scenario when

1633
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 1: you've got a high deer population where there's going to

1634
01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:59,560
Speaker 1: be a bunch of deer out in that field. So

1635
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: you don't want to have your wind blowing too much

1636
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 1: into the woods because there's a lot of doughs and

1637
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: young bucks coming out. Um. But at the same time,

1638
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: if they get past you safely and your winds blown

1639
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: behind you into the field, they'll eventually catch your wind

1640
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: and blow out, maybe ten minutes before the end of daylight,

1641
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: and then the buck gets you know, cascaded back to UM.

1642
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: I heard Andre de Quisto talk once about how he

1643
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: really likes a right along the edge of the field

1644
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: wind in that kind of scenario. Um, is that something

1645
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: you look for to or is it? I realize it's

1646
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: gonna be dependent, but what are your thoughts on that.

1647
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: It's definitely dependent? Uh, I mean, I completely understand the

1648
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,759
Speaker 1: concept of it blowing down along the edge of the field. Normally,

1649
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: if it's blowing like kind of back into the woods,

1650
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: I usually hunt back into woods forty yards or so.

1651
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: You know that way I let the deer. If I

1652
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 1: let the deer get past me and they get out

1653
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: there in the field, you know what I mean, And

1654
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 1: my winds blowing back into the woods, but it's off

1655
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 1: to the side of where I suspect suspect the buck's

1656
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: going to be moving out and through so and in wind,

1657
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, hunting the edge of the field with the

1658
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 1: wind blowing out into the field, it's tricky because all

1659
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: the other deer can possibly wind you. I hope that

1660
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: if I do hunt in that situation and the deer

1661
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: actually win me, that it's early and they head out

1662
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: the other way. Yeah, and if they head out the

1663
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: other way, you know what's what's gonna be tricky is

1664
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: is when a buck comes out less that you stand

1665
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 1: in her an edge, if you don't see any other

1666
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 1: deer in the field. He may get a little larry

1667
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 1: or whatever, but hopefully he's got another young buck or

1668
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 1: something with him or out in front of him, and

1669
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: they don't catch my wind until I get an opportunity. Yeah. Well,

1670
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: this scenario I've had happened before where I've I've been

1671
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 1: out set up in a scenario where a doe kind

1672
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: of wins me. I had a kind of risky wind,

1673
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: but I'm counting on that buck coming in late, and

1674
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that I can get away with it. But

1675
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: a dole gets something, she's not happy, but she's not

1676
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 1: gonna blow right out. So maybe let's say it's forty

1677
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,600
Speaker 1: five minutes till dark or an hour before dark or

1678
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 1: something like that. It's kind of getting the prime time,

1679
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: but it's not the very end of the night, and

1680
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 1: she's getting wonky. She's doing the foot stomp. She's bobbing

1681
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: her head up and down, and maybe she's maybe she blew.

1682
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 1: Once she blew, she bounded off five yards. Then she

1683
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 1: looks back, she does the foot stomp. Her head's going

1684
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 1: up and down. I've been in that situation where I've

1685
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm cursing myself, I'm upset. I want that deer to leave.

1686
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 1: Would you ever proactively do something to get her out

1687
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:32,719
Speaker 1: of there completely because you don't want her to linger

1688
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 1: there for another twenty minutes blowing every once in a while,

1689
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: or do you worry that if you were to spooker

1690
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 1: even more it can make things worse? How would you

1691
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: handle that? So it's gonna get Every situation is different.

1692
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: If it's early and I know that no other deer

1693
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: has another chance to uh see me, especially if she

1694
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 1: if she knows something's up, and maybe a couple of

1695
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 1: little ones or other ones that are out don't I

1696
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: will look around and when these other deer are looking

1697
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: the other way or doing whatever, and she's staring at

1698
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 1: me unless they should see me in the stand, I'm

1699
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 1: definitely gonna make some movements to try to blow her

1700
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: out of there, just to get her down over the

1701
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: hill and out just wander away from me, and used

1702
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 1: to I would just I would almost just end the

1703
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 1: hunt if I got busted by any deer anymore. Over

1704
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: the years, I've learned and by talking to other very

1705
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: successful hunters that you know, as long as it's not

1706
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: the deer y're after, then it doesn't matter. And then

1707
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 1: you know, because if they snored, if they run, if

1708
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: they you know, blow or whatever and run off, well

1709
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 1: that buck doesn't know. If it's a coyote, doesn't know.

1710
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: If it's somebody driving down along the edge of the field,

1711
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 1: doesn't know, if it's a hunter, they don't know. I mean,

1712
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: if you've been setting in the woods before and heard

1713
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,600
Speaker 1: deer over there blowing and acting up or whatever, you

1714
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 1: don't have any idea what they're doing over there. It

1715
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: could be a coon, So don't let that ruin your hunt.

1716
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 1: But if I can, if in some way, shape or

1717
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: form other than send in an era through her, UH

1718
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: can get her to leave. I've waved my hat before

1719
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 1: to get them to leave. Yeah, yeah, I've I've yet

1720
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 1: to purposely spook those doughs away, but I've gotten to

1721
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: thinking that that's probably the smart thing to do in

1722
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 1: some scenarios. So I think I'm gonna start doing this.

1723
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: Is Uh, this is good stuff, Heath. I've been enjoying this. Um.

1724
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 1: I've been keeping it here for a while though, And

1725
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 1: I know it's even later where you're at on the

1726
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 1: East coast or east part of the United States versus

1727
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: where I'm here on farther west. I gotta let you go,

1728
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 1: but uh, I want to end this. If your life

1729
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: was dependent on someone, you know, killing a big, huge buck,

1730
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: killing a six year old one seventy plus, and I said, hey,

1731
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: if if such and such person doesn't kill a boon

1732
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 1: and crock a buck within this week, you're done, Heath.

1733
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm taking away your bow, I'm taking away your hunting rights,

1734
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm taking everything away, and you're you're going to jail

1735
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 1: or whatever whatever it is. If you had to bet

1736
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,640
Speaker 1: your life or your hunting future or whatever it was

1737
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 1: on someone killing a buck like that, who would you

1738
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:02,560
Speaker 1: pick and why would you pick him? So I know

1739
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the hunting industry. Uh, mainly

1740
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 1: all the big famous deer hunters or whatever I've I've met,

1741
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 1: talked to listen to podcasts, followed along with him or whatever.

1742
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 1: There's one guy that I would that's at the top

1743
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 1: of my list every time something like this would come up,

1744
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: and I hang on every word when he's speaking, and

1745
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: that's Andre de Quisto. He is the most lethal, deadly

1746
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 1: killer that I know. He looks at everything differently. I

1747
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 1: mean he's like you can stand here in the woods

1748
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 1: and talk to him and the guy is looking over

1749
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: your shoulder, he's looking out the side, you know. I

1750
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: mean he's he's he's a predator and that's who I

1751
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: would have. That's uh, I thought that might be it.

1752
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 1: He I certainly wouldn't want him hunting me. No. No,

1753
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 1: his boys a chip off the old block, which is scary,

1754
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: it seems like it. So he If people want to

1755
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 1: follow along with your hunts this year or anything else

1756
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: you got going on, where can they? Where can they

1757
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 1: find that stuff? Sure? My videos are on why Tell

1758
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 1: addictions and that you can go to a Lone Wolf

1759
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 1: custom gear YouTube channel and watch them and uh, look

1760
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 1: for all the new equipment coming out from a Lone

1761
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 1: Wolf custom gear. They got their point five stands coming

1762
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: out that are less than six pounds. Uh, several things

1763
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 1: coming out here in the future, hopefully before season, so

1764
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,679
Speaker 1: look for all that stuff. Awesome. Well, I'll be looking

1765
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 1: forward to watching the future videos and see how you

1766
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 1: guys do this season. I uh, I'm hoping that you

1767
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,560
Speaker 1: get that one big buck down early October and we

1768
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 1: can chat again and hear how you did it. That

1769
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:32,640
Speaker 1: sounds good. I appreciate you have me on Mark, and

1770
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 1: good luck to you this fall. Thanks he alright, guys

1771
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 1: and gals, that is today's episode. I hope you enjoyed

1772
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: that one as much as I did. Um. You know,

1773
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 1: if you wanna see what Heath spin up to and

1774
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: justin as we talked about last week, make sure check

1775
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: out that White Tail Addictions YouTube channel. Um, there's some

1776
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 1: cool hunts over there. And if you want to stay

1777
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 1: up to date on what I'm up to, make sure

1778
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: you are following my articles over in the Meat Eater

1779
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 1: dot Com. I'm right, weekly columns over there, lots of

1780
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 1: good stuff. Make sure check that out, and then of

1781
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 1: course follow Wired Hunt on Instagram where you're gonna see

1782
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: my stories and what's happening in my hunting world and

1783
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 1: the other things I've got going on. So appreciate you

1784
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: tuning in, appreciate checking it all out. Good luck out

1785
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 1: there is your scouting and preparing for hunting season, and

1786
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 1: until next time, stay wired to hunt.