WEBVTT - Episode Eight: Truths and Lies 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:06.600 Previously on OBSCURUM: Invasion of the Drones. 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:10.480 They will actually their arms, flash their lights and beat 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:15.440 with the music. They turned red, they become violent. I mean, 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:16.760 they'll come at you real hard. 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:21.360 I've watched a lot of UFO videos where you can 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:24.599 hear the people who are taking the video of the UFO. 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:28.000 You can hear them conversing on the audio truck. They 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:32.519 and the people around them are literally negotiating the meaning 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:33.600 of what they're seeing. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.080 Rod kind of told me that he had been diagnosed 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.640 with cancer, and he said it wasn't looking good. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.680 He did have a tumor. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.640 He had had that drone encounter that he was talking 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.879 about at that contract was totally gone. So can I 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:50.279 explain that medically? 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:52.000 No, I cannot. 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.360 It feels like you're driving up to that building and 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:07.840 stranger things. 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:14.160 Where they're doing all those tests. There's this big. 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:18.720 Metal door with concrete walls that are like twenty foot 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:35.120 high allow and there's cameras kind of all over the place, 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:40.040 peering in the direction of a tunnel on the side 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.560 of a hill in the middle of nowhere. I prepared 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:47.400 to go meters underground into a Cold War era room 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:52.200 that once housed a nuclear warhead estimated to be twenty 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:57.000 times stronger than the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima. To see 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:14.600 if my hunch was true Chapter fifteen, Buried in plain sight, 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.359 I slowly walked up to the entrance of an intercontinental 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:25.120 ballistic missile silo. My goal was to see how expansive 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:30.000 these installations were, and ultimately if a similar space would 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:34.280 be able to conceal many aircraft. A quick Google search 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.720 revealed these sites and the bombs locked inside of them 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:41.080 were first built during the Cuban missile Crisis in the 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:46.880 nineteen sixties and scattered throughout the Great Planes, sometimes right 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:51.400 next to farms. The military sold a few silos that 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.520 weren't in use. I tracked one down that belonged to 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:59.000 Don and Shark's Wantzer. They'd bought an abandoned or decommissioned 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.799 missile site near Kimball, Nebraska. I convinced them to take 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:03.960 me around the property. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:05.760 What is this right here? 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:06.120 Now? 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.720 This is the door that would open and they would 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.720 back the missile end. So the missile bay is right 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:15.200 behind this forty seven ton door. 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:17.320 Go ahead, followed on. 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:22.079 We entered the structure through a large hole covered by 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.840 metal mesh curtains. There was a long tube with lights 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:30.320 illuminating a walkway twenty to thirty yards in. I saw 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.639 a second haul to the right. It felt like a narrower, 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.600 darker version of a New York subway station and not 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.440 the type of place side spend a lot of time. 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:45.560 The crew was down that tunnel with the red phone 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:49.320 and the launch buttons were The missile was in a 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.200 room building over here, for the purpose of the tunnel 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.240 was to separate the two buildings so the crew wouldn't 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:56.400 get blown up when they launched. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:01.560 I was surprised to learn the crew actually lived where 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.080 the rockets were housed. Do you know how many people 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:05.720 used to live in here? Like at one time? 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:07.040 Five twenty four to. 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:10.000 Seven from Cheyenne Zeffie Warren. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.560 Here's the room that the missile was in now. 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.760 The missile was eighty five feet long, about nine foot 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:17.440 in diameter. 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.320 It was stored in a horizontal position. 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:22.200 The nose was down here. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.279 But we have two buildings underground, the launch building which 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.719 is about fifteen thousand square feet, command building, which is 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.960 underneath that dirt, which is five thousand square feet one 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.960 hundred and thirty nine thousand cubic yards of concrete designed 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.200 to a stand A one make a ton blast one 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:43.400 point six miles away had four warheads on it. Commissioned 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.520 at a time with the Cuban missile crisis. 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:51.240 We walked downstairs into what was known is the oxygen room. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:57.240 Down here's a warm sixty room contained a sixty five 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.719 foot stainless seal liquid oxygen tank in. 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.320 How far underground are we right now? 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.880 Well, the culvert above the culvert is about twelve feet 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:08.039 to the surface. 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:15.000 When I emerged from the tunnel, I plugged in coordinates 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.880 for an active missile site I located not too far away. 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:22.720 It's just crazy how unexposed they are. 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.520 I turned off the highway and onto a dirt road. 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.599 There was a barbed wire fence with a lot gate 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.560 to my left. Inside the perimeter stood a few metal 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.560 slabs with poles sticking up. 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.520 I do know they're like these permanent two sighting things. 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.400 And there's there's some kind of cryptic kind of some 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.520 directional sorts of stuff, kind of a creepy thing actually 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.600 that we would have it right the corner of our place. 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.840 As I got out of the pickup, I was approached 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:57.160 by the owners of a nearby farmhouse. For the sake 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:01.320 of their privacy. I called them Emma and John. It 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.920 wasn't long before they showed me a cylindrical metal plate 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.840 buried in their lawn, only a few hundred yards from 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:09.880 the missile site. 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.320 That was to set up the guidance systems. And the 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:16.280 guidance systems on the missiles are designed to go off 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.839 a true north and at night they would go up 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.480 and get their settings off the north star, and then 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.919 that's how they put in the guidance for the missiles. 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:28.320 Seeing something that helped direct a missile right next to 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.719 a home was odd, but they didn't seem to mind. 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.120 We paused for a second and looked towards the silo 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.560 before walking around to the back of the farm. I 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:42.000 was curious to hear if anybody who lived nearby had 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.920 spotted the mysterious aircraft flying at night. 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:49.000 Nobody ever sided them flying over a silum. They were 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.599 always different places. See, because most of the military work, 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.560 the air force stuff, has generally done at night, and 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.680 so you don't you don't see them that much more. 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:04.440 It's done very visible, and you see like armored and 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.680 one of those vehicles, somevies on corners and you might 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.320 even see a helicopter in the air and there'd be 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.920 a trailer working on the ground, yeah, on the at 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.080 the site, so that's very visible, and you know something 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:19.080 something's going on. 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:23.760 When the Air Force was asked, they said, uh, oh, 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.760 we don't know nothing. Okay. With all the missile sites, 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:27.880 they would have known something. 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.960 With the silon near Emma and John's residence housing a 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:35.280 nuke that could be launched at any time. I'd wondered 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.680 if they'd seen an increase in military activity when the 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.480 strange crafts were nearby. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:46.800 They're regular routines of checking didn't increase, so. 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.680 That makes you think a little bit, you know, I mean, 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:54.120 they the assumption would be they knew something was going 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:58.240 on because they weren't being ever vigilant of their property, 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.280 you know, so they were probably. 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:04.280 And law enforcement generally didn't have much of a clue 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.240 whether they were told and told not to say anything 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:13.560 or not. But you know, even the x sheriffs and 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:17.400 ex deputies they speculated the same thing at this military 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:21.200 the last it's maybe been five years, five to seven years. 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.480 They have surveillance on all both sites that they thought 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.440 when they started in the sixties, they the fences had 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:31.000 been around them were pressure sensitive, so if anybody messed 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:34.760 with it, they didn't know. We had tumbleweeds, and within 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:36.520 a month they had to change their system because there'd 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.720 be enough tumbleweeds blown against them and set them off. Supposedly, 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.320 if you would take a little drunk and go fly 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.080 it over missile site, somebody might show up and stuff 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:50.000 like that, because I know they gentlemen put a pivot in, 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.000 ran the electric climb in, he nicked the communications cable 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.920 and it's pressurized, and I think they said twelve minutes. 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:56.480 There's a choper. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.720 That seemed fast, but I knew a lot could happen 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:09.000 in twelve minutes. Even with many government agencies publicly denying 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:13.400 involvement in the sidings, it did seem probable that old 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:17.240 silos in the land surrounding them could be a secure 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:21.880 place to operate and store large numbers of drones. If 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:26.080 there was a connection between the functioning silos and unknown aircraft, 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.320 I was confident the Air Force would know what was 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:43.360 going on. Chapter sixteen f E. 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:44.959 Warren use the. 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:46.920 Right lane to take exit three point fifty nine c 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.160 ANTI twenty five north and US eighty seven North toward 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:55.320 Casper in one point two miles take Exit ten d 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:57.400 Onto missile drive toward Happy Jack Road. 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.679 Two military helicopters flying right towards me on the Interstate. 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:06.040 Helicopters flew over as I parked near a guarded gate 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.839 at f you Warren. It's the closest Air Force base 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.960 to a majority of the sidings and located on the 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:19.120 outskirts of Cheyenne, Wyoming. A lieutenant by the name of 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.640 John Karkaff agreed to an interview with me as a 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:27.199 representative for the base. After a few minutes, he arrived 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:28.640 to take me to his office. 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.560 FI Warren originally started out as a cavalry training base, 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.680 so I think at one point there were twenty five 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.640 thousand horses here at FI Warren, and we still have 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.560 some of the stables up on the north end of 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:45.760 our base. But it eventually became an intercontinental Ballistic missile 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:46.920 but an ICBN base. 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:50.520 The base looked like a small town, complete with brick 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:54.640 buildings and dirt road streets. Sitting in the passenger seat 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.920 of his vehicle, I noticed how clean it was and 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.880 over the top attention to detail hail type clean. John 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.600 was definitely a type a personality. 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:07.840 So when I originally found out about FI Warren, I 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:09.559 was a little bit misfied. I'd never heard of F 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.240 You Warren, you know, never seen the bass pop up 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:15.160 on anything. So I was a little bit, you know, 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.000 inquisitive as to what exactly I was. 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:18.040 I was heading into. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.000 What does the ninetieth Missile Wing do specifically? 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.680 Yeah, So the ninetieth missile Wing is made up of 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:29.480 several groups, and this includes security forces, the missileers of 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:33.600 the actual operators who sit in the missile capsules, as 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:38.040 well as the maintainers, the administrative folks, the mission support groups, 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:42.440 the forced support So the nineteth MISSI Wing encompasses all 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.480 of that. And the ninetieth Missile Wing is the wing 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:50.199 stationed at F You Warren that would execute the nuclear 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:54.719 mission that ensures that the President and his advisors or 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:59.199 her advisors have the capability to call upon nuclear power 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:00.920 should it be necessary. 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.800 I didn't know how long I'd have to speak with John. 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:09.640 I steered our conversation towards the mysterious aircraft. F You 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:14.880 Warren has denied that these drones belonged to them. Would 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:18.400 that mean that you wouldn't have to acknowledge if a 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.760 contractor outside of you was using those drones. 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:26.280 Yeah, so I can confirm that the drone sightings were 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.200 not related to FI Warren or the Air Force in 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.400 any way. So that would include you know, contractors or 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:33.880 what other you know, third parties that might be, but 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:35.920 they were in no way, shape or form. 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:36.720 Related to the Air Force. 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:41.719 When it comes to the active missile silos in the area, 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:45.800 I assume that there's some type of counter drone technology 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:47.480 that would protect those. 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:52.480 So FIE Warren does have a counter drone program. I 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.040 can't go into too much specifics due to operational security, 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.600 but I can say that any kind of you know, 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:04.040 training that we we do do on f E. Warren 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.560 takes place within the confines of the base, and in 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.000 discussions with with our forces in the field, you know, 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.680 we confirmed that those drones were not ours and in 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.840 no time, at no time did they ever threaten any 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.200 of our facilities, any of our missiles, any of our 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:27.760 missile silos. So that that kind of again put it 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.480 definitely made us think about an aspect of you know, 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.920 how we you know, how we communicate you know, our 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.240 our programs to the public. I know it is something 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.880 that some people. You know, you think of anti drone 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.560 technology and you think of ray guns or whatever it is. 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:44.680 You know. 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.200 Again, I can't go into specifics about how all that 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.640 counter drone stuff works, but it did, you know, make us, 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:57.200 uh make us you know, I guess approach the the 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:01.520 drone issue in a more direct way. I can't speak of, 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:05.280 you know, when the counter drone stuff was was being 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:09.480 used or wasn't being used. Although I can't say that 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:14.199 we did have the technology, should we need to employ it. 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.559 We've we've had that, but at no point in time 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.680 did we ever need to employ it during that. 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:21.600 January time frame. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.920 John said that the Air Force did have counter drone 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.440 technology in place during the first week of twenty twenty, 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.560 when the majority of the objects were cited. However, he 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.360 didn't go into detail about counter drone surveillance at each 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:38.560 individual silo. 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:43.200 I don't think there's a there's a need for concern, 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.360 you know. I again, I want to stay in my 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:49.960 lane here, but you know, I know in terms of 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:54.160 the FAA and the other agencies that do serve to 0:14:54.160 --> 0:15:00.560 protect you know, our community and our neighbors out in Nebraska, Wyoming, Colorado. 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.400 You know, I do they I know they are very 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.960 you know, on the ball in terms of you know, 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.480 what we are doing and what they are doing, and 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.360 how we work together in order to make sure that 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.040 our community is safe. So I don't think there's a 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:14.520 there's a need for concern. 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:19.200 No need for concern. This was a confusing statement to me. 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.280 If these unknown aircraft didn't belong to the Air Force, 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.000 and if John on behalf of f you Warren could 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:31.400 also conclude no Air Force contractors were flying them, there 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.920 may be something strange flying in the vicinity of nuclear 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.040 missiles and no one could pinpoint what it was. 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:42.360 Point nine back up. 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:49.880 This call is now being recorded. 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.160 The first time I interviewed you, I felt like you 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:01.400 were giving me the full picture and clearest detail of 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.680 everything you knew. Can you go into more of that? 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:05.080 Now? 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:11.880 Definitely into more of it. But in the one big 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.160 issue in all of it is as far as what 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.960 I can go into and what I can the one 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:22.000 big one is the FAA related breaking of rules and laws. 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.840 Following my visit to f You Warren, I was able 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.160 to convince Matthew Spencer to talk with me again. 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.960 Do you have any way of proving that you were 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.360 in Colorado during that time. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.200 The only thing would be would be the logs from 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:43.080 the drunes, and that becomes an issue. I mean, that's 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.000 the thing, and that's kind of why I was offered 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.480 the polygraph to avoid having to turn anything in that's 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:50.560 gonna get me into trouble. 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:54.240 What were you doing in Colorado during the time of 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:55.800 the Colorado drone mystery? 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.840 The Colorado drone mystery and that exact spot in spots 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.440 was happening is essentially where we thought we were going 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.080 to be able to catch up with what we were 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:11.480 tracking UAP. We were not. And so as our own 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:15.439 process entails, sometimes drones go up to tell us what 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.520 we need to know if we missed it, and that's 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.240 what the end of it was. We did come to 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.240 the conclusion we had missed it, and with what was 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.480 going on with the Colorado drones, we decided to get 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:28.879 on out of town at that time. 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.480 Now, is this the same type of craft that the 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.520 Navy refers to. Is it tic TAC that we've all 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:36.679 seen in those videos online? 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:41.480 Yes, this is the exact same technology. There's a particular 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.719 version we were looking for, but they all match up 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.960 the same, and that version is going to be that 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:51.320 essentially there is no sign of propulsion, you have the 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:55.400 ability to really just float their. Contrary to belief and 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.679 what you've heard from the various encounters, it does make 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.159 a noise, It's just not a noise you're going to 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:03.800 pick up by flying a fighter jet. Is a slight 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:07.320 hum on an ultrasonic mic. It really tells you a 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.359 lot about what is going on inside of it. And 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.399 these are the sort of things that we look for. 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.879 In other words, there's nothing physic wise that we know 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.960 of in the inventory that could do these sort of things. 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.840 That sounds crazy. What would lead you to believe there 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:26.280 was a tic tac in the vicinity of the Colorado drones. 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.120 Most of what you hear and most of the objective 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.400 being lit right now is definitely from an adversary such 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:37.320 as China or Russia, or it's little Green men. All 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.800 of those dictate the story in the narrative, and that 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:45.200 narrative would be it could be coming from overseas or 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.920 from a ship, could be coming from the sky Mars, 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.760 and it's coming down to us. But when you get 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:56.280 into the reality of it, if it is ours, if 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.000 it is us, then it has to be built somewhere, 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.239 and it has to be maintained somewhere, and that's going 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.679 to be in the United States over land. 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.119 What would lead you to believe there was the UAP 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.000 in the vicinity of the Colorado drones. 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.480 I've been at this a long time. You know. The 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.960 correlation is is do I have drones? Of course, that's 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.920 a part of it. In certain instances, you know, where 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.399 we've seen issues with the craft, which is why you 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.720 usually get a great view of it. Drones follow, So 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:31.200 if you have something a hypothetical a piece could come off, 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:33.199 you would have a stall out and you would have 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:37.200 drones follow. We believe that that would be the METHA 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:41.560 and we believe that's probably what's going on with the larger, faster, 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.120 heavier ones that seemed to show up. 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:44.960 Right before we left. 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.639 If there was a larger aircraft or some type of 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.960 UAP in the vicinity of these drone like objects, I 0:19:56.000 --> 0:20:00.240 couldn't find any information that would confirm that. Matthew brought 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:03.600 up a few of the FAA emails that Douglas Johnson 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:07.480 had published online. He had strong words for how his 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:12.399 correspondence with the FAA was released. When he said agent 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.840 Bumgardner he was referencing Agent Bumberger. 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:20.160 Michael Bumgardner is a legal hawk. If you look him up, 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:23.600 if you're researching, he's the guy that goes out to 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.640 the local little airport where they got Sessen's flying from 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.920 the nineteen sixties, and he watches and he writes down 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.520 your tail number and he writes tickets. There's cases of 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:35.879 it online you can find he was sent out to 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.280 write tickets. He wasn't sent out to solve the mystery. 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:43.399 People have to understand, you know, I'm a debunker. Like 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.919 I said, there were satellites in the area during that 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:49.160 time period, there were planets. There's all sorts of stuff 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.359 in the sky, and I always debunked that, and I 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.320 believe a lot of it could be debummed. As far 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.320 as what I think about Bumgardner is this stuff happens. 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:01.879 You know, people always think if we like, we'll find answers. 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:05.359 Foy is not new. The paper that they released and 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:08.479 the communication between Bumgarner to me says, at the bottom 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.760 of it, you can't show anybody this, you can't distribute 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:15.480 it nothing. So they also could keep everything in a 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:18.159 file and the only way that comes out is what 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.679 they want to pull out of that file. If you 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:24.760 pull something out of that file yourself, federal charges federal penalties. 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:28.400 So they're just having to release some stuff in FO 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:30.000 you and not the other things. 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:32.280 And then you have this narrative. 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:36.280 And the narrative I think, in everyone's opinion, was very 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:36.920 negative of me. 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:41.280 I gotta be honest, Matthew, that sounds like it's out there. 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.280 Why would Bumberger go to so much trouble to throw 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:45.080 you under the bus. 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.880 There's a narrative, and it's an FAA narrative, and that's 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:50.880 that they know everything. 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:52.280 They're the facts. 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:55.800 I mean, this is the way it works. A story 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:59.760 that a UFO or UAP was in that area is 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.840 not than they want to do with. Now you're the 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:06.200 special agent in charge, that was his title of this. 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:09.919 It's on you, and he's sure and Hick wasn't going 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:13.679 to let anything out that wasn't normal. Did you see one? 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:16.399 Did you think he's right? Or do you think he 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:17.919 should have took the guy that wanted to take a 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:21.720 polygraph come up there and answer some questions. He didn't 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:23.119 want that polygraph on record. 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:29.120 It wasn't my job to judge or not judge an 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:33.560 FAA narrative, I was missing key facts. There was another 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:37.840 person who could possibly shed new light on the FAA's response. 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:40.840 It was a man I'd been trying to interview since 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:44.160 day one, as the obscure sidings seemed to begin in 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:50.200 his county. Phillips County, Colorado Sheriff Tom Elliott finally agreed 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:50.960 to speak with me. 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.679 In early January, a task force meeting was held in Brush. 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:58.320 He discussed the sightings. Did you take part in this 0:22:58.400 --> 0:22:59.960 meeting and what did you learn from it? 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:05.639 I was there and all we got was lip service 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:09.439 from the Federal Aviation Administration, and those are the people 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:13.520 that actually regulate these drones. What we found out is 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:19.840 the FAA has a no enforcement arm, so their capabilities 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:23.280 to enforce their own rules is zero. 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:30.879 Now. Phillips County Sheriff's office posted on Facebook on January sixth, 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:34.720 a strategy meeting was held today in Brush, Colorado with federal, state, 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:38.760 and local law enforcement agencies regarding the drones. Specifically, we 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:41.399 are looking for the command vehicle. We are looking for 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:44.480 a closed box trailer with the antennas or large band 0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:47.719 does not belong in the area. If you see anything 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:50.880