1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Previously on OBSCURUM: Invasion of the Drones. 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 2: They will actually their arms, flash their lights and beat 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: with the music. They turned red, they become violent. I mean, 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 2: they'll come at you real hard. 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 3: I've watched a lot of UFO videos where you can 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 3: hear the people who are taking the video of the UFO. 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 3: You can hear them conversing on the audio truck. They 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 3: and the people around them are literally negotiating the meaning 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 3: of what they're seeing. 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 4: Rod kind of told me that he had been diagnosed 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 4: with cancer, and he said it wasn't looking good. 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 5: He did have a tumor. 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 6: He had had that drone encounter that he was talking 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 6: about at that contract was totally gone. So can I 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 6: explain that medically? 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 7: No, I cannot. 17 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: It feels like you're driving up to that building and 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: stranger things. 19 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 8: Where they're doing all those tests. There's this big. 20 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: Metal door with concrete walls that are like twenty foot 21 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: high allow and there's cameras kind of all over the place, 22 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: peering in the direction of a tunnel on the side 23 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: of a hill in the middle of nowhere. I prepared 24 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: to go meters underground into a Cold War era room 25 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: that once housed a nuclear warhead estimated to be twenty 26 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: times stronger than the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima. To see 27 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: if my hunch was true Chapter fifteen, Buried in plain sight, 28 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: I slowly walked up to the entrance of an intercontinental 29 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: ballistic missile silo. My goal was to see how expansive 30 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: these installations were, and ultimately if a similar space would 31 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: be able to conceal many aircraft. A quick Google search 32 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: revealed these sites and the bombs locked inside of them 33 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: were first built during the Cuban missile Crisis in the 34 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties and scattered throughout the Great Planes, sometimes right 35 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: next to farms. The military sold a few silos that 36 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: weren't in use. I tracked one down that belonged to 37 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: Don and Shark's Wantzer. They'd bought an abandoned or decommissioned 38 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: missile site near Kimball, Nebraska. I convinced them to take 39 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: me around the property. 40 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 8: What is this right here? 41 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 6: Now? 42 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 9: This is the door that would open and they would 43 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 9: back the missile end. So the missile bay is right 44 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 9: behind this forty seven ton door. 45 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: Go ahead, followed on. 46 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: We entered the structure through a large hole covered by 47 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: metal mesh curtains. There was a long tube with lights 48 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: illuminating a walkway twenty to thirty yards in. I saw 49 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: a second haul to the right. It felt like a narrower, 50 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: darker version of a New York subway station and not 51 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: the type of place side spend a lot of time. 52 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: The crew was down that tunnel with the red phone 53 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: and the launch buttons were The missile was in a 54 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: room building over here, for the purpose of the tunnel 55 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: was to separate the two buildings so the crew wouldn't 56 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: get blown up when they launched. 57 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: I was surprised to learn the crew actually lived where 58 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: the rockets were housed. Do you know how many people 59 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: used to live in here? Like at one time? 60 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 7: Five twenty four to. 61 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: Seven from Cheyenne Zeffie Warren. 62 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 4: Here's the room that the missile was in now. 63 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 9: The missile was eighty five feet long, about nine foot 64 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 9: in diameter. 65 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: It was stored in a horizontal position. 66 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 4: The nose was down here. 67 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 2: But we have two buildings underground, the launch building which 68 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: is about fifteen thousand square feet, command building, which is 69 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: underneath that dirt, which is five thousand square feet one 70 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty nine thousand cubic yards of concrete designed 71 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: to a stand A one make a ton blast one 72 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: point six miles away had four warheads on it. Commissioned 73 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: at a time with the Cuban missile crisis. 74 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: We walked downstairs into what was known is the oxygen room. 75 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: Down here's a warm sixty room contained a sixty five 76 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: foot stainless seal liquid oxygen tank in. 77 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: How far underground are we right now? 78 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: Well, the culvert above the culvert is about twelve feet 79 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: to the surface. 80 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: When I emerged from the tunnel, I plugged in coordinates 81 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: for an active missile site I located not too far away. 82 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 10: It's just crazy how unexposed they are. 83 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: I turned off the highway and onto a dirt road. 84 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: There was a barbed wire fence with a lot gate 85 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: to my left. Inside the perimeter stood a few metal 86 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: slabs with poles sticking up. 87 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 9: I do know they're like these permanent two sighting things. 88 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 9: And there's there's some kind of cryptic kind of some 89 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 9: directional sorts of stuff, kind of a creepy thing actually 90 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 9: that we would have it right the corner of our place. 91 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: As I got out of the pickup, I was approached 92 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: by the owners of a nearby farmhouse. For the sake 93 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: of their privacy. I called them Emma and John. It 94 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: wasn't long before they showed me a cylindrical metal plate 95 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: buried in their lawn, only a few hundred yards from 96 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: the missile site. 97 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 8: That was to set up the guidance systems. And the 98 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 8: guidance systems on the missiles are designed to go off 99 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 8: a true north and at night they would go up 100 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 8: and get their settings off the north star, and then 101 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 8: that's how they put in the guidance for the missiles. 102 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: Seeing something that helped direct a missile right next to 103 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: a home was odd, but they didn't seem to mind. 104 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: We paused for a second and looked towards the silo 105 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: before walking around to the back of the farm. I 106 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: was curious to hear if anybody who lived nearby had 107 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: spotted the mysterious aircraft flying at night. 108 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 8: Nobody ever sided them flying over a silum. They were 109 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 8: always different places. See, because most of the military work, 110 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 8: the air force stuff, has generally done at night, and 111 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 8: so you don't you don't see them that much more. 112 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 9: It's done very visible, and you see like armored and 113 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 9: one of those vehicles, somevies on corners and you might 114 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 9: even see a helicopter in the air and there'd be 115 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 9: a trailer working on the ground, yeah, on the at 116 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 9: the site, so that's very visible, and you know something 117 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 9: something's going on. 118 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 8: When the Air Force was asked, they said, uh, oh, 119 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 8: we don't know nothing. Okay. With all the missile sites, 120 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 8: they would have known something. 121 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: With the silon near Emma and John's residence housing a 122 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: nuke that could be launched at any time. I'd wondered 123 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: if they'd seen an increase in military activity when the 124 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: strange crafts were nearby. 125 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 8: They're regular routines of checking didn't increase, so. 126 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 9: That makes you think a little bit, you know, I mean, 127 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 9: they the assumption would be they knew something was going 128 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 9: on because they weren't being ever vigilant of their property, 129 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 9: you know, so they were probably. 130 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 8: And law enforcement generally didn't have much of a clue 131 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 8: whether they were told and told not to say anything 132 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 8: or not. But you know, even the x sheriffs and 133 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 8: ex deputies they speculated the same thing at this military 134 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 8: the last it's maybe been five years, five to seven years. 135 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 8: They have surveillance on all both sites that they thought 136 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 8: when they started in the sixties, they the fences had 137 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 8: been around them were pressure sensitive, so if anybody messed 138 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 8: with it, they didn't know. We had tumbleweeds, and within 139 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 8: a month they had to change their system because there'd 140 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 8: be enough tumbleweeds blown against them and set them off. Supposedly, 141 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 8: if you would take a little drunk and go fly 142 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 8: it over missile site, somebody might show up and stuff 143 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 8: like that, because I know they gentlemen put a pivot in, 144 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 8: ran the electric climb in, he nicked the communications cable 145 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 8: and it's pressurized, and I think they said twelve minutes. 146 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 8: There's a choper. 147 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: That seemed fast, but I knew a lot could happen 148 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: in twelve minutes. Even with many government agencies publicly denying 149 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: involvement in the sidings, it did seem probable that old 150 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: silos in the land surrounding them could be a secure 151 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: place to operate and store large numbers of drones. If 152 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: there was a connection between the functioning silos and unknown aircraft, 153 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: I was confident the Air Force would know what was 154 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: going on. Chapter sixteen f E. 155 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 8: Warren use the. 156 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 11: Right lane to take exit three point fifty nine c 157 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 11: ANTI twenty five north and US eighty seven North toward 158 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 11: Casper in one point two miles take Exit ten d 159 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 11: Onto missile drive toward Happy Jack Road. 160 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: Two military helicopters flying right towards me on the Interstate. 161 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: Helicopters flew over as I parked near a guarded gate 162 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: at f you Warren. It's the closest Air Force base 163 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: to a majority of the sidings and located on the 164 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: outskirts of Cheyenne, Wyoming. A lieutenant by the name of 165 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: John Karkaff agreed to an interview with me as a 166 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: representative for the base. After a few minutes, he arrived 167 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: to take me to his office. 168 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 5: FI Warren originally started out as a cavalry training base, 169 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 5: so I think at one point there were twenty five 170 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 5: thousand horses here at FI Warren, and we still have 171 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 5: some of the stables up on the north end of 172 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 5: our base. But it eventually became an intercontinental Ballistic missile 173 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 5: but an ICBN base. 174 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: The base looked like a small town, complete with brick 175 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: buildings and dirt road streets. Sitting in the passenger seat 176 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: of his vehicle, I noticed how clean it was and 177 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: over the top attention to detail hail type clean. John 178 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: was definitely a type a personality. 179 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 5: So when I originally found out about FI Warren, I 180 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 5: was a little bit misfied. I'd never heard of F 181 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 5: You Warren, you know, never seen the bass pop up 182 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 5: on anything. So I was a little bit, you know, 183 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 5: inquisitive as to what exactly I was. 184 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 10: I was heading into. 185 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: What does the ninetieth Missile Wing do specifically? 186 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, So the ninetieth missile Wing is made up of 187 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 5: several groups, and this includes security forces, the missileers of 188 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 5: the actual operators who sit in the missile capsules, as 189 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 5: well as the maintainers, the administrative folks, the mission support groups, 190 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 5: the forced support So the nineteth MISSI Wing encompasses all 191 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 5: of that. And the ninetieth Missile Wing is the wing 192 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 5: stationed at F You Warren that would execute the nuclear 193 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 5: mission that ensures that the President and his advisors or 194 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 5: her advisors have the capability to call upon nuclear power 195 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 5: should it be necessary. 196 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know how long I'd have to speak with John. 197 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: I steered our conversation towards the mysterious aircraft. F You 198 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: Warren has denied that these drones belonged to them. Would 199 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: that mean that you wouldn't have to acknowledge if a 200 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: contractor outside of you was using those drones. 201 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I can confirm that the drone sightings were 202 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 5: not related to FI Warren or the Air Force in 203 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 5: any way. So that would include you know, contractors or 204 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 5: what other you know, third parties that might be, but 205 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 5: they were in no way, shape or form. 206 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 10: Related to the Air Force. 207 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: When it comes to the active missile silos in the area, 208 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: I assume that there's some type of counter drone technology 209 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: that would protect those. 210 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 5: So FIE Warren does have a counter drone program. I 211 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 5: can't go into too much specifics due to operational security, 212 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 5: but I can say that any kind of you know, 213 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 5: training that we we do do on f E. Warren 214 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 5: takes place within the confines of the base, and in 215 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 5: discussions with with our forces in the field, you know, 216 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 5: we confirmed that those drones were not ours and in 217 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 5: no time, at no time did they ever threaten any 218 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 5: of our facilities, any of our missiles, any of our 219 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 5: missile silos. So that that kind of again put it 220 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 5: definitely made us think about an aspect of you know, 221 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 5: how we you know, how we communicate you know, our 222 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 5: our programs to the public. I know it is something 223 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 5: that some people. You know, you think of anti drone 224 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 5: technology and you think of ray guns or whatever it is. 225 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 8: You know. 226 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 5: Again, I can't go into specifics about how all that 227 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 5: counter drone stuff works, but it did, you know, make us, 228 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 5: uh make us you know, I guess approach the the 229 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 5: drone issue in a more direct way. I can't speak of, 230 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 5: you know, when the counter drone stuff was was being 231 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 5: used or wasn't being used. Although I can't say that 232 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 5: we did have the technology, should we need to employ it. 233 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 5: We've we've had that, but at no point in time 234 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 5: did we ever need to employ it during that. 235 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 10: January time frame. 236 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: John said that the Air Force did have counter drone 237 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: technology in place during the first week of twenty twenty, 238 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: when the majority of the objects were cited. However, he 239 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: didn't go into detail about counter drone surveillance at each 240 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: individual silo. 241 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 5: I don't think there's a there's a need for concern, 242 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 5: you know. I again, I want to stay in my 243 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 5: lane here, but you know, I know in terms of 244 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 5: the FAA and the other agencies that do serve to 245 00:14:54,160 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 5: protect you know, our community and our neighbors out in Nebraska, Wyoming, Colorado. 246 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 5: You know, I do they I know they are very 247 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 5: you know, on the ball in terms of you know, 248 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 5: what we are doing and what they are doing, and 249 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 5: how we work together in order to make sure that 250 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 5: our community is safe. So I don't think there's a 251 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 5: there's a need for concern. 252 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: No need for concern. This was a confusing statement to me. 253 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: If these unknown aircraft didn't belong to the Air Force, 254 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: and if John on behalf of f you Warren could 255 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: also conclude no Air Force contractors were flying them, there 256 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: may be something strange flying in the vicinity of nuclear 257 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: missiles and no one could pinpoint what it was. 258 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 8: Point nine back up. 259 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 7: This call is now being recorded. 260 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 10: The first time I interviewed you, I felt like you 261 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 10: were giving me the full picture and clearest detail of 262 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 10: everything you knew. Can you go into more of that? 263 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 8: Now? 264 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 6: Definitely into more of it. But in the one big 265 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 6: issue in all of it is as far as what 266 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 6: I can go into and what I can the one 267 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 6: big one is the FAA related breaking of rules and laws. 268 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: Following my visit to f You Warren, I was able 269 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: to convince Matthew Spencer to talk with me again. 270 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 10: Do you have any way of proving that you were 271 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 10: in Colorado during that time. 272 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 6: The only thing would be would be the logs from 273 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 6: the drunes, and that becomes an issue. I mean, that's 274 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 6: the thing, and that's kind of why I was offered 275 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 6: the polygraph to avoid having to turn anything in that's 276 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 6: gonna get me into trouble. 277 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 10: What were you doing in Colorado during the time of 278 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 10: the Colorado drone mystery? 279 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 6: The Colorado drone mystery and that exact spot in spots 280 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 6: was happening is essentially where we thought we were going 281 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 6: to be able to catch up with what we were 282 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 6: tracking UAP. We were not. And so as our own 283 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 6: process entails, sometimes drones go up to tell us what 284 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 6: we need to know if we missed it, and that's 285 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 6: what the end of it was. We did come to 286 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 6: the conclusion we had missed it, and with what was 287 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 6: going on with the Colorado drones, we decided to get 288 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 6: on out of town at that time. 289 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 10: Now, is this the same type of craft that the 290 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 10: Navy refers to. Is it tic TAC that we've all 291 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 10: seen in those videos online? 292 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 6: Yes, this is the exact same technology. There's a particular 293 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 6: version we were looking for, but they all match up 294 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 6: the same, and that version is going to be that 295 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 6: essentially there is no sign of propulsion, you have the 296 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 6: ability to really just float their. Contrary to belief and 297 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 6: what you've heard from the various encounters, it does make 298 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 6: a noise, It's just not a noise you're going to 299 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 6: pick up by flying a fighter jet. Is a slight 300 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 6: hum on an ultrasonic mic. It really tells you a 301 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 6: lot about what is going on inside of it. And 302 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 6: these are the sort of things that we look for. 303 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 6: In other words, there's nothing physic wise that we know 304 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 6: of in the inventory that could do these sort of things. 305 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 10: That sounds crazy. What would lead you to believe there 306 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 10: was a tic tac in the vicinity of the Colorado drones. 307 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 6: Most of what you hear and most of the objective 308 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 6: being lit right now is definitely from an adversary such 309 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 6: as China or Russia, or it's little Green men. All 310 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 6: of those dictate the story in the narrative, and that 311 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 6: narrative would be it could be coming from overseas or 312 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 6: from a ship, could be coming from the sky Mars, 313 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 6: and it's coming down to us. But when you get 314 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 6: into the reality of it, if it is ours, if 315 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 6: it is us, then it has to be built somewhere, 316 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,239 Speaker 6: and it has to be maintained somewhere, and that's going 317 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 6: to be in the United States over land. 318 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 10: What would lead you to believe there was the UAP 319 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 10: in the vicinity of the Colorado drones. 320 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 6: I've been at this a long time. You know. The 321 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 6: correlation is is do I have drones? Of course, that's 322 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 6: a part of it. In certain instances, you know, where 323 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 6: we've seen issues with the craft, which is why you 324 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 6: usually get a great view of it. Drones follow, So 325 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 6: if you have something a hypothetical a piece could come off, 326 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 6: you would have a stall out and you would have 327 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 6: drones follow. We believe that that would be the METHA 328 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 6: and we believe that's probably what's going on with the larger, faster, 329 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 6: heavier ones that seemed to show up. 330 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 8: Right before we left. 331 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: If there was a larger aircraft or some type of 332 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: UAP in the vicinity of these drone like objects, I 333 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: couldn't find any information that would confirm that. Matthew brought 334 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: up a few of the FAA emails that Douglas Johnson 335 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: had published online. He had strong words for how his 336 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: correspondence with the FAA was released. When he said agent 337 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: Bumgardner he was referencing Agent Bumberger. 338 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 6: Michael Bumgardner is a legal hawk. If you look him up, 339 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 6: if you're researching, he's the guy that goes out to 340 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 6: the local little airport where they got Sessen's flying from 341 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 6: the nineteen sixties, and he watches and he writes down 342 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 6: your tail number and he writes tickets. There's cases of 343 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 6: it online you can find he was sent out to 344 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 6: write tickets. He wasn't sent out to solve the mystery. 345 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 6: People have to understand, you know, I'm a debunker. Like 346 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 6: I said, there were satellites in the area during that 347 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 6: time period, there were planets. There's all sorts of stuff 348 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 6: in the sky, and I always debunked that, and I 349 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 6: believe a lot of it could be debummed. As far 350 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 6: as what I think about Bumgardner is this stuff happens. 351 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 6: You know, people always think if we like, we'll find answers. 352 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 6: Foy is not new. The paper that they released and 353 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 6: the communication between Bumgarner to me says, at the bottom 354 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 6: of it, you can't show anybody this, you can't distribute 355 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 6: it nothing. So they also could keep everything in a 356 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 6: file and the only way that comes out is what 357 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 6: they want to pull out of that file. If you 358 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 6: pull something out of that file yourself, federal charges federal penalties. 359 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 6: So they're just having to release some stuff in FO 360 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 6: you and not the other things. 361 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 10: And then you have this narrative. 362 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 6: And the narrative I think, in everyone's opinion, was very 363 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 6: negative of me. 364 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 10: I gotta be honest, Matthew, that sounds like it's out there. 365 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 10: Why would Bumberger go to so much trouble to throw 366 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 10: you under the bus. 367 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 6: There's a narrative, and it's an FAA narrative, and that's 368 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 6: that they know everything. 369 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 8: They're the facts. 370 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 6: I mean, this is the way it works. A story 371 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 6: that a UFO or UAP was in that area is 372 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 6: not than they want to do with. Now you're the 373 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 6: special agent in charge, that was his title of this. 374 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 6: It's on you, and he's sure and Hick wasn't going 375 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 6: to let anything out that wasn't normal. Did you see one? 376 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 6: Did you think he's right? Or do you think he 377 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 6: should have took the guy that wanted to take a 378 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 6: polygraph come up there and answer some questions. He didn't 379 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 6: want that polygraph on record. 380 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: It wasn't my job to judge or not judge an 381 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: FAA narrative, I was missing key facts. There was another 382 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: person who could possibly shed new light on the FAA's response. 383 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: It was a man I'd been trying to interview since 384 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: day one, as the obscure sidings seemed to begin in 385 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: his county. Phillips County, Colorado Sheriff Tom Elliott finally agreed 386 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: to speak with me. 387 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 4: In early January, a task force meeting was held in Brush. 388 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 4: He discussed the sightings. Did you take part in this 389 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 4: meeting and what did you learn from it? 390 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 7: I was there and all we got was lip service 391 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 7: from the Federal Aviation Administration, and those are the people 392 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 7: that actually regulate these drones. What we found out is 393 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 7: the FAA has a no enforcement arm, so their capabilities 394 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 7: to enforce their own rules is zero. 395 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 4: Now. Phillips County Sheriff's office posted on Facebook on January sixth, 396 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 4: a strategy meeting was held today in Brush, Colorado with federal, state, 397 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 4: and local law enforcement agencies regarding the drones. Specifically, we 398 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 4: are looking for the command vehicle. We are looking for 399 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 4: a closed box trailer with the antennas or large band 400 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,719 Speaker 4: does not belong in the area. If you see anything 401 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 4: that resembles that or this description, Please call the Phillips 402 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 4: Kenny Sheriff's Office. Were you ever in fact looking for 403 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 4: that specific vehicle or was that based on what was 404 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 4: talked about at that task. 405 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 7: We asked two different questions there. So the question about 406 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 7: how did we come to a description of the vehicle 407 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 7: came from the FAA from that task force meeting, And 408 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 7: that's the description of the vehicle that they said they 409 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 7: were looking for. They said they said at the meeting, 410 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 7: quit looking for the drones, start looking for the command vehicle, 411 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 7: and this is what you should be looking for, the 412 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 7: second part of your question, is that's the description of 413 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 7: the vehicle. Yes, that is what we were looking for. 414 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 4: Have there been any follow up from that taskforce meeting? 415 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 4: Get the death of your knowledge. 416 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 7: There was never even a task force formed at the meeting. 417 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 7: There was one, you know, Sheriff Martin took names, but 418 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 7: no task force was actually formed. So therefore no task 419 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 7: force was ever a never got off the ground to 420 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 7: investigate this. This all falls back on the federal government 421 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 7: who refused to do anything. This is a federal law 422 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 7: violation and they should have done something about the federal 423 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 7: law violation. 424 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: Fingers were pointing at the FA. It later came to 425 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: my attention that Logan County Sheriff Dave Martin not only 426 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: took names as mentioned by Sheriff Elliott, but was said 427 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: to be the head of the drone task Force. He 428 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: didn't want to be recorded, but told me there were 429 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: no steps ever taken to form the group. FAA officials 430 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 1: left the meeting saying they'd share information, but as I learned, 431 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: there was no follow up. Was it the FAA's job 432 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: to be the glue that brought this together? But more importantly, 433 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: were there details FAA investigators purposely kept from collaborating agencies. 434 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: I soon became aware of disturbing information which led me 435 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: to research an area outside of Phoenix, Arizona. 436 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 4: Plo Verdi generates the most energy of any power producing 437 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 4: facility in the It's also the largest nuclear plant, with 438 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 4: three units. 439 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: Something happened in the skies above the PalaVerde Nuclear Generating Station, 440 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,719 Speaker 1: one of America's most powerful nuclear plants, on consecutive nights 441 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: in September of twenty nineteen, two months before the Northeast 442 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: Colorado sightings, unauthorized drones were spotted flying over a restricted 443 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: area with pressurized water reactors. These were described as large 444 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: aircraft with red and white flashing lights. They appeared at night, 445 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: and it was reported that they had spotlights on while 446 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: approaching the site, but turned them off after entering the 447 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: security owner controlled area. No drone operators were found, and 448 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: witnesses were left scratching their heads. This discovery led me 449 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: to uncover something else, an alarming trend the FAA knew 450 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: of that would completely change my view of the mystery 451 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: coming up on Obscure Invasion of the Drums. I kind 452 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: of stop at that two way stop signing it. It 453 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: stopped moving and then elevated, and then it lowered itself 454 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: behind a tree. I'm anxious, but I can't worry about 455 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: what might happen or the consequences of revealing the truth. 456 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 8: It's going to go up slowly, but it kept doing 457 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 8: it for five, ten, fifteen, twenty minutes. This thing ended 458 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 8: up being thousands of feet in the air. 459 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: We want to hear from you if you have any 460 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: information surrounding the events detailed in this podcast or other 461 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: obscure stories in rural America we should look into. 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