1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Hut. Let's go, 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Let's go Giant, the Giants Bubbling, give me some job. 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: Part of the Giants podcast Network. Let's roll. Welcome to 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: another edition of the Johnson Podcast, brought to you by 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: Citizens Official Bank at the Giants. Today, we're going to 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: be joined by Penn State defensive line coach Dion Barnes 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: and continue to talk to all the assistant coaches for 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: the Giants draft picks this year and kind of get 9 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: the insight into the college career and what they are 10 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: all about. Coming to you from the Hackensack Maritney Hell 11 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: Podcast that you'll keep getting better and of course you 12 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: should go back and check out all the other interviews 13 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: we've done with these position coaches talking about these Giants rookies. 14 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: You really get some great insight stuff that I hadn't 15 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: known or heard about before to really get you to 16 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: know these players. And now we're joined by the defensive 17 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: line coach for the Penn State Niley Lions. He coached 18 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: up Abdul Carter among other really good pass rushers as 19 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: well that have come out of that Penn State program 20 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Deon Barnes coach, how are 21 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: you appreciate you giving us some time? 22 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: Appreciate it? Tom doing great? Doing great? Trump, get the 23 00:00:59,240 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: next one out here. 24 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: So now let me let me level set first. You 25 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: had that doue in your room for just that one year. 26 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: Correct, it's all right. 27 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: So how quickly was he able to mentally adjust and 28 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: maybe some of the different responsibilities and jobs that he 29 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: had as an edge player versus when he played off 30 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: ball linebacker? 31 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 3: Uh, the plays was easy for him. He knew. 32 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: I mean, he a smart kid. He knew how to 33 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: be able to adjust to the plays. But it was 34 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: just the feel and the reps that he needed. And 35 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 2: I would say after spring ball he started understanding even 36 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: more training camps where he fully took off and you 37 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: could see the difference as far as you know, him 38 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 2: actually getting comfortable being in a position, knowing the angles 39 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: and understanding and run in a pass box. 40 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: How does he learn? Is he more of a watch 41 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: tape guy? Is he a whiteboard guy? Does he have 42 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: to get out onto the field and repid before he 43 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: really gets it? What kind of learner is he? 44 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: I mean the me and room he catches it ass 45 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: So you put it on the board or you talk 46 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: about it in the film. He catches that fast and 47 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: then uh, we get on the field. He learned from experience, 48 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: so the play, like I said, the place is not 49 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: hard for him. 50 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 3: That's the easy part for him. 51 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: It's just you know, the small adjustment as far as 52 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: the techniques and stuff like that. That's what he got 53 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: to learn. And that just comes from doing and the 54 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 2: muscle memory with him. So he really a quick learner. 55 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: You mentioned, you know, picking up the techniques and stuff. 56 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: And the one thing that amazed me when I turned 57 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: on the tape getting ready for the draft and I 58 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: watched all his pass rush stuff, you know, and I 59 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: knew he was only at an edge guy for one year, 60 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: so I was expecting one of these guys that you know, 61 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: wins with speed a lot, gets around the edge. And 62 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: then I'm going through it. I'm making my notes and 63 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, there's one move, there's another move, 64 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: there's another move, there's another move. For this guy to 65 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: have a full bag of pass rush moves in just 66 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: one year at the position, how was he able to 67 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: pick up that much so quickly having only been in 68 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: your room for that one year. 69 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: I mean, that's his attention to detail and the work ethic. 70 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: I mean, that's what goes into it. So he was 71 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: on my hip the whole time, like, coach, what else 72 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: I need to learn? And then he will practice that 73 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: before and after practice. So it was all the extra 74 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: work that he put in to be able to master 75 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: all that stuff. That's why you see him pick it 76 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: up quickly. 77 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: Now he had done some of that stuff in high school, right, 78 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: So how much of that stuff kind of came naturally 79 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: back to him given what he had, you know, given 80 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: how he had been on the edge of the past 81 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: a little bit. 82 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: I mean, and when he was playing with the sou 83 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: he was that linebacker most of the time, but he 84 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: was just a natural pass rusher. 85 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 3: I mean, God gave him a gift. 86 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: But the things that he already came with was was 87 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: that get off his been And really all I told 88 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: him was the couple moves and techniques to be able 89 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: to help him, you know, excel as far as to 90 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: the quarterback a little bit faster. But now you you 91 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: can't teach to get off. You can't teach that. Then 92 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: that's you're just pointing out things that make him better. 93 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: So he came with those type of tools already. 94 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: What was some of the stuff that he picked up quickest. 95 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: Was it was it the hand uses, the chop stuff, 96 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: was it? What was it kind of like the dip 97 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: and the rip move to come back up. What was 98 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: some of the stuff that he kind of picked up quickest, 99 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: And what were some of the things that were maybe 100 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: more of a process that you would to work through 101 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: with him. 102 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: I think the things he picked up the quickest was 103 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: you know, just understanding the angle towards the quarterback because 104 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: you know the hands. That took him a little bit time. 105 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: But once he got it down, that was that was 106 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: easy for him after that. So it took him a 107 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 2: little bit as far as working their hands with the 108 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 2: double swipes and you know, the chops and all of 109 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: us just knowing when to use it. Basically, the harder 110 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: part for him was the technique as far as the 111 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: run game, because that's just that's more footwork and handwork. 112 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: So it took him a little bit to be able 113 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: to finalize that. So I think in training camp that's 114 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: where we picked it up. All right, when I'm going 115 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 2: to gainst the tight and this is what my footwork 116 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 2: looked like, It's where my hands should be at and 117 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: he started getting a little bit better adj Justice as 118 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 2: far as how to play the run game. And obviously 119 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: you know he had twenty three and a half TA 120 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: tags for Lost last year, so he adjusted well to that. 121 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, we we haven't really seen the power yet this offseason. 122 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: I want to get to the run game in a second, 123 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: because the pads aren't on and for spring pack this 124 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: for us and I a lot a lot of contacts, 125 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: so we haven't I haven't seen the bull rushing person yet. 126 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: Where's he in terms of his power rush? We obviously 127 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: seen the quickness, the speed, the suddenness, some of the 128 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: hand stuff you talked about. Where is he in your 129 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: opinion in terms of his bull rush and having that 130 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: compliment to the speed and bend that he obviously has 131 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: on the outside. 132 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 3: You'll see it once he'll get vertical setters. 133 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: That's another thing I think that he understands well is 134 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: when you get a certain set with the go to, 135 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: I think if you get a vertical setup, we had 136 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: really hadn't seen it much vertical setup. I remember UCLA 137 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 2: last year was the first time somebody really tried to 138 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 2: kick out and try to beat the speed guy, and 139 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: he went speed the power on that guy, and you 140 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: can see he can be able to implement that in 141 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: his game. So it just depends on the set. So 142 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: if he got a guy that you feel like short 143 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: set or a guy he could beat quickly inside, he's 144 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: gonna do that. 145 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: Is he good at studying his opponent during the week 146 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: and finding some of those weaknesses that he can exploit 147 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: on a weekly basis. 148 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I mean that's that's all he do. He 149 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: loved ball, so that's all he's gonna do is sit 150 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: and watch ball. He probably gonna be in there all 151 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 2: day watching different ways. He gonna come up with game 152 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 2: plans and stuff like that himself. I mean I think 153 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 2: he did that. Not I think he did do that, 154 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: Like he was, Hey, coach, we should run his game. 155 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: I've seen this when these guys did that. That's that's 156 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 2: type of stuff he brings to the game. He prove 157 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:11,559 Speaker 2: student of the game. 158 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: And you talked about his instincts right how naturally during 159 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: the game when you know he gets the sidline after 160 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: a series, picking things up, seeing it on the field, 161 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: relaying it to the to the coach, to his teammates. 162 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: All right, Well, you know what they're doing this to us. 163 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: Maybe we should try this, Maybe we should try that. 164 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, he do a good job of that. I think 165 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 2: during the game he more seeing what I see. You know, 166 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 2: he just seen. He would come to my come to me, 167 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: see what do you see? Coach, I got this? How 168 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: do I counter that? So I think in the game 169 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: time he like, all right, I tried what I had 170 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: to try. Coach, what you think? And then he'll he'll 171 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: do what I tell Like for example, we're playing against 172 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 2: I can't remember the team, but he kept getting chiped 173 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 2: by the running back. Then he understood, like, coach, how 174 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: do I beat this chip? 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Yes, I 190 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 4: knew I could help make sense of your money with citizens. 191 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: All right, you mentioned the run game stuff, you know, 192 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: you mentioned the tackles for loss, and I think he 193 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: did a great job when I watched him leading up 194 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: to the draft. He shoots gaps really well. Right, He's 195 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: able to shoot the gap, get up field and get 196 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: into the backfield. Where How didn't you see his progress? 197 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: And I think that probably did, you know, come from 198 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: some of the outside linebacker stuff, seeing those holes and 199 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: hitting them quickly. How did he do in terms of 200 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: setting the edge really, you know, using his length, getting 201 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: out on the edge, keeping contained when teams were kind 202 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: of running that outside zone to his hide. 203 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: I thought he did a good job at it. He 204 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: understands angles really well. I keep going back to that. So, yeah, 205 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: if that guy's coming hard to him and he know 206 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: he quirker than the guy, he gonna go up and 207 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: under that guy. But when you get a just a 208 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: normal setting, he got to set the edge. He had 209 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: no problem doing that when the tight end try to 210 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: down block him, he had no problem doing that. 211 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: He was really good. 212 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: He's a small like he might look like a smaller guy, 213 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: but he's a powerful guy. 214 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. I was talking to Jermain and Luminor 215 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: the other day. He's our starting right tackle, and I 216 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: was asking him about what it was like blocking that 217 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: duel and he said, look, he actually does remind me 218 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: in terms of his movements. Goes with Michael a little bit. 219 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: He said to me, the thing that sends about Michael 220 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: Parsons is that he's, you know, two fifty, but he 221 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: is the power of like a two hundred and eighty 222 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: pound guy. And that's what really makes the difference. For 223 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: these guys that are great athletes, they also have to 224 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: have that power quotion. 225 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, he is explosive in his hands. 226 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: He got powerful hands which he gonna create knock back 227 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 2: every time by doing that. 228 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely, No, I'm within him that one hundred percent. What 229 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: part of his game, Coach, as an edge player, do 230 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: you think was enhanced by his experience playing outside linebacker? 231 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: How did that help him be a better edge player? 232 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: His experience being off the ball and maybe seeing things 233 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: in a more holistic way. 234 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: Formation recognition, understanding what's coming to him, understanding when it's 235 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 2: gonna be a pass, when it's gonna be a run, when 236 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: the ball is coming to him, or when it's going away. 237 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 3: I think that helped him out a lot. 238 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: And then being closer to the ball, having that being 239 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: on the backside of and then being close to the ball, 240 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 2: now he knows exactly how he can make the play 241 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: on these to a certain place. 242 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: Did did he? I'm sure when he was an off 243 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: ball guy, he would understand what the whole defense was doing. Right. 244 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: Has he brought that approach to being an edge guy 245 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: where he's not just all right, this is what I 246 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: got to do is play. This is my job. Does 247 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: he understand everything that's going on around him, which I 248 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: think in a lot of ways can then help you 249 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: make adjustments over the course of the game as teams 250 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: start to, you know, make their adjustments and game plan 251 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: against you. 252 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: I can't speak on if he know corners and safeties 253 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: and all others. 254 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, of course, but he does as. 255 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 2: Far as, like you know, with a similar system of 256 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: if he hears something, he gonna have with that type 257 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: of recall to remember, you know, lineback's supposed to be 258 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: here where the gaps. I think he know exactly where 259 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: everybody as far as accountable in the gaps. 260 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: We talked about him as an edge player, and you 261 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: kind of reference him too. I just think as a blitzer. 262 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: And the Giants have a couple of the really good 263 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: edge guys, right, They have Keveon Thibadeau, they have Brian Burns. 264 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: So I think on third down, it wouldn't shock me 265 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: if the Giants, you know, line them up off ball, 266 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: line them up over the center, line them up in 267 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: a B gap something like that to try to get 268 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: some mismatches, get all three guys on the field. How 269 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: is he in terms of an instinctual blitzer and rushing 270 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: off the ball, not just from the edge spots. 271 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 3: I think that's one of the best things he do. 272 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: No matter who's block them, sent them, guard, running back, 273 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: whoever it is, you just try and create a one 274 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: on one, create one on one. He's just gonna fill 275 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: with your leverage adding go against it, and he gonna 276 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: use his hips and his and his been to be 277 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: able to beat you. I think that's the best thing 278 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: that he does, is you just you know he gonna 279 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: He's he got the ability to be one win. 280 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 3: He's one on one no matter who he lines up against. 281 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: I know you mentioned it before. Does he have a 282 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: different set of moves based on all right, well I'm 283 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: going against the tackle this time he's a little bit longer, 284 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: or he's a little bit bigger, all right, but this play, 285 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: I'm against the little like phone booth guard or a 286 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: little shorter arms. Does he a justice rush plan based 287 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: on where he's lined up against that opponent? In any 288 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: giving the game a lot. 289 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: Of it is phil You could tell he feels when 290 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: certain certain guys is going set. 291 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 3: But yeah, he definitely he got a plan. 292 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: And then he'll sometimes he'll try some things, you know 293 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like you'll see him spin and you'll 294 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: see him do different things that he see that he 295 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: could be able to do. So it all depends on 296 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: who the guy is. But like you said, but it's 297 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: a feel he's going to him and attacking. If you 298 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: feel like the guy overset and gonna win, inside, I 299 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: feel they could be the one to ass you're gonna 300 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 2: do that or you're gonna play with his feet. You 301 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: see him like a basketball player at the times use 302 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: his feet to be able jab inside to come out. 303 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: So it all depends on, you know, the leverage that 304 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 2: they got given. 305 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: How would you a couple of the guys you had 306 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: that came out the previous couple of years, Chob Robinson 307 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: and thest Isaac both really good pass rushers too. How 308 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: is he different than than those guys and you? And 309 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: if you want to throw Mike into the mix, you 310 00:11:58,360 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: can do that too. 311 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't hear Micah, but yeah, I didn't think 312 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 3: he were him. 313 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 2: Yeah he's I think uh at Duel was could play 314 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: anywhere as far as we put him with center wherever 315 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 2: it was, and he had different speed. I think Chopped 316 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: his get off was really similar, probably better than that duels, 317 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 2: but at Duel's get off and his been is the lead. 318 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: That's one thing I remember. Chopp came to that game 319 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 2: we played against Notre Dame. It was like, Yo, Stull 320 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: could ben something crazy like I ain't never seen nothing 321 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: like this before. So I think that that part of 322 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: his game. And we're talking about Chop who can run 323 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: damn there on the ground. And then A Lisa was 324 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: really good with his hands, good with using his length. 325 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 3: That part of the game. 326 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: I felt like a Lisa is really good at but 327 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: with Chopp, excuse me, what a duel? He can He 328 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: can do it all. Obviously we'll see the power, but 329 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: he can do it all. So I think that's it's 330 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 2: just different games for different body size to try. 331 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: Kind of hard, uh, comparing. 332 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 2: A Lisa and at duel because it's just a different 333 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: body types, different things you do. 334 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: How to get in here? 335 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 4: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the 336 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 4: middle with at the score great? 337 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: How do we make that happen? 338 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 4: I don't know, but Tennyson does makes sense of your 339 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 4: money with citizens Official Bank of Eli manning. 340 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: His approach to the game, and I think we saw 341 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: it right. He played hurt late in the year for 342 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: you guys, but he still came out at one of 343 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: his best games of the year while he was playing 344 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: Hurt late in the year and just talking to him, coach, 345 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: he has a seriousness and an edge about him as 346 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: a football player, which I think when you're talking about 347 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: defensive linemen and and edge players, that's what you want. 348 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: Can you just kind of paint a picture for the 349 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: fans out there just how he approaches the game and 350 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: his general attitude towards the game of football. 351 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: He wants to be the best. He won to rise 352 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: at the most opportune I mean, excuse me. The biggest games. 353 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: His mindset is, I'm going to try to make plays 354 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: to help us win. The biggest thing is he wants 355 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: to be win. So you're gonna see him frustrated and 356 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: he gonna call people out when nothing doesn't align with winning. 357 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 3: So he is a winner. So any everything that. 358 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: Allives will allignes will winning, and everything that has to 359 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: do with winning. 360 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 3: That's what he's all about. 361 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: Is he more of a big talking leader guy or 362 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: is he more of a lead by example type of guy. 363 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: He's gonna lead by example. He's not gonna talk that much. 364 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: He only gonna talk when it's needed. 365 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: Okay, I think that. How about in the meeting room 366 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: when he you know, is is he very vocal in 367 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: the meeting rooms with guys. Is here a lot of 368 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: conversation with him or is it more just kind of 369 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: locked and unfocused and then writing his notes and kind 370 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: of learning what he needs to learn. 371 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: He talked again, that's the when he talk when he 372 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: is needed. As far as something that we can help 373 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: a younger guy out. But besides that, he's just trying 374 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: to take all the information. If he sees something that 375 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: he doesn't agree with, he'll say something on it. Besides that, 376 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 2: he's trying to figure out how he can, you know, 377 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: be the best on the field. And that's that's truly 378 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: his mindset. He wants to be the best on the field. 379 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: He want to leave a legacy to be the best 380 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: so and he wants to win. 381 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: As he up your program, what were some of the 382 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: areas that you were still really locking in with him 383 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: on and fine tuning with him in terms of his game. 384 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I just like a thousand things that I 385 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: can go through right now as a D line coach, 386 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: you know, so I'm very you know, I'm gonna critique 387 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: every part of his game. So that's hard to say 388 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 2: right now because that's a lot of things. You know 389 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, not that he was lacking on some things, 390 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: but I'm a perfectionist. I want to be perfect everything. 391 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: So that's kind of that's a lot of things right there. 392 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: You know, I would love him be better in the ranking. 393 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: I love for him be even more dominant past rush, 394 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: you know. So you're talking about small, little minute things 395 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: that I'm always critiquing and trying to coach, so it's 396 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: always gonna be something. 397 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: No, absolutely, any any piece of advice that you gave 398 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: him specifically heading to that next level you would experience 399 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: at the next level with the with the Jets, right 400 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: and the Chiefs. Any advice that you gave him that 401 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: you said, look, this is some of the things that 402 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: you're either gonna have to improve on or change or 403 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: do differently when you get to the NFL level in 404 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: order to have the level of success that he wants 405 00:15:59,440 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: to have. 406 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: Always craft no matter what you craft at all times, 407 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: and you know, be yourself. Don't try to do anything 408 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: else but be yourself. And then about being himself. Is 409 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: a hard working dude that loves football. So that's Rochester 410 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: small things. You know, I'm going to critique when I 411 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: got a critique, so when I go on PFF when 412 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: I watched the film, I'm going send them messages and 413 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: stuff like that. But besides that, just be himself and 414 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: work as hard as he possibly can. That's that's the 415 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: biggest thing I told him. 416 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: And I imagine he seems like a guy that's a 417 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: self motivator, right that he's gonna look at the stuff 418 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: on his own, see the stuff he needs a critique, 419 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: and he's gonna take care of that even when he's 420 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: not at the facility. 421 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, that's definitely him. 422 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: That's awesome. I got two more for your coach. 423 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: One. 424 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: Do you have any just kind of stories or anecdotes 425 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: of your experiences with with Abdul that you think kind 426 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: of gives fans a good feel for the type of 427 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: guy or a person that he is, and and just 428 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: what he's gonna bring to the giants in the locker 429 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: room and on the field. 430 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: I'll probably go to that not your damn game when 431 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: you know Showlder really bother him, couldn't use it at all. 432 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: It was a play where you know, I'm thinking he's tired. 433 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: He waved me off, like, coach, don't take me out 434 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: this game. He's a competitor, so he again it's all 435 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: about winning for him and being the best. So in 436 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: that moment, you just see that he was on a 437 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 2: different type of mindset where he's like, I might be tired, 438 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 2: might be hurt, but I want to win this game, 439 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: so do not take me out in this situation. 440 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: That's terrific. And then the final one I want to 441 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: get give me some insight into Penn State practice here 442 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: when I do a car of God here. He just 443 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: talked to the media and he says, in a very 444 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: teammate friendly way, I have some unfinished business with THEO 445 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: Johnson on the practice field. Can you give us a 446 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: window into what the battles are like between those two 447 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: guys going up against each other at Penn State practice. 448 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,239 Speaker 3: I mean it's some violence going on. 449 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: So you know, it's a lot of practices I could 450 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: point too, but it is some violence going on and 451 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: it's gonna be violent at them practices. 452 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 3: Want to pass. 453 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: Come on, coach, that's awesome man. Anything we missed that 454 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: that that that you think and should know about Abdul, 455 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: that that we did not touch on. 456 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 3: Nah, I mean that kid is about winning and he 457 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 3: go do everything you can do to that. 458 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: Coach. Dion Barnes, defensive line coach for Penn State coach. 459 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: We appreciate the time, man, Thanks so much. Oh great 460 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: stuff right there. Fantastic from defensive line coach for the 461 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: Penn State Nittley Lions, Dion Barnes. Great stuff, really good 462 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: stuff on Abdul that I wasn't aware of, and we 463 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: appreciate him joining us right here in the Hackensack Marine 464 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: Healths Podcast studio. Keep getting better.