WEBVTT - American Freakshow! Inside America’s Racist Corporate And Educational Institutions

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Erica Alexander, and I'm Whitney down. Welcome to Reparations,

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<v Speaker 1>the big payback production of Color Farm Media, I Heart

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<v Speaker 1>Radio and the Black Effect Podcast Network. Step right up, pery, hurry,

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<v Speaker 1>step right up. The show's about to begin. Wait, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not ready, hard it's a trick question. No one is

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<v Speaker 1>ready for a discussion about institutional racism, at least no

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<v Speaker 1>one who's benefited from it institutional racism. Okay, Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting ready. I'm your friendly host and guide, Mr Tam Bowles.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here to spill all the freaky t and coming

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<v Speaker 1>to the stage. Put your hands together for the ever

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<v Speaker 1>lovely Mr. And to lock it all. Who is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Who I am? I mean, I don't know what to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry. I'll be doing most of the label up

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<v Speaker 1>in this piece as usual, as we present the Freak Show.

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<v Speaker 1>See Corporate American prophets and the stagger and wealth of

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<v Speaker 1>America as a whole as the legacy of slavery. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the freak Show. See powerful educational institutions founded on

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<v Speaker 1>slave money. It's freaking slave money. Got it? Keep up? Son?

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<v Speaker 1>See eerie echoes of slavery and modern day labor practices.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about tipping. It's freaky, deeky Are you even

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<v Speaker 1>following me? So you're talking about a critical view of

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<v Speaker 1>some key American institutions through the lens of contemporary racialized perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>tracing through lines of slavery and the perverse and ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>control of black bodies all the way up to and

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<v Speaker 1>including the power structures of the present day. Wow, you

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<v Speaker 1>changed on me, baby, Just trying to keep the customer satisfied.

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<v Speaker 1>Mr dam Bo, that's the spirit. Step right up, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>What's our first exhibit? Our first exhibit is truly truly freaky.

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<v Speaker 1>It concerns one of America's oldest educational institutions, located on

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<v Speaker 1>the Potomac River in the beating heart of our fine

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<v Speaker 1>nation's capital. Bill Clinton went to school there and actor

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<v Speaker 1>Brodd Bradley Cooper did too. They're the lawyers. They've got

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<v Speaker 1>lots of lawyers. I'm talking about Georgetown University. Georgetown. I

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<v Speaker 1>had them in the final four, Yes, sir, Mr Interlockerta.

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<v Speaker 1>They're famous and they're famously will endowed, if you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. Wait what but it wasn't always that

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<v Speaker 1>way in there In lies to tell. For our first exhibit,

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<v Speaker 1>we spoke to Georgetown professor Adam Rothman of the school's

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<v Speaker 1>Working Group on Slavery, Memory and Reconciliation. There's a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of ways of thinking about Georgetown's relationship to slavery, one

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<v Speaker 1>over the long term, and then one having to do

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<v Speaker 1>with an immediate moment in time. In the long term,

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<v Speaker 1>Georgetown was founded by Catholic elite that derived its wealth

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<v Speaker 1>and status from slavery. The original model for the university

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<v Speaker 1>was that the education of white boys and men would

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<v Speaker 1>actually be subsidized by slave labor on plantations in Maryland

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<v Speaker 1>that had been owned by the Society of Jesus. The Jesuits,

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<v Speaker 1>and Georgia itself was also a site of slave labor.

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<v Speaker 1>Enslave people worked on campus. Students actually brought slaves to

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<v Speaker 1>campus and hired them out to the university to pay

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<v Speaker 1>off their fees. University hired enslaved people from local owners

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<v Speaker 1>to do odd jobs around the university. So in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of ways, the university was really intricately tied to slavery.

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<v Speaker 1>But the real existential moment of connection comes in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen thirties. It turns out that the plantations that were

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<v Speaker 1>run by the Jesuits were actually not profitable, and so

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty years the Jesuits they had a debate really

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<v Speaker 1>about what to do about their human property. They owned

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<v Speaker 1>nearly three hundred people. The Jesuit leadership came to the

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<v Speaker 1>conclusion that they should sell off virtually the entire community

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<v Speaker 1>of people that they owned. So they did that in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen thirty eight. They sold two two people to two

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<v Speaker 1>buyers in Louisiana for a hundred and fifteen thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>and they took the initial down payment from that sale

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<v Speaker 1>of about two dollars, and they used it to pay

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<v Speaker 1>off the crushing debt that the college had accrued without

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<v Speaker 1>that sale, without the proceeds from the sale of those people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not clear that the university would have survived.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why I say that Georgetown owes its very

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<v Speaker 1>existence to slavery. There are thousands of living descendants of

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<v Speaker 1>the g U two City two has also completely changed

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation about the meaning of this history because now

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<v Speaker 1>we have a rual. We have people living today whose

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<v Speaker 1>own families were touched by this trauma of sale and

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<v Speaker 1>forced transportation to the Deep South, and their lives were

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<v Speaker 1>shaped by this experience in ways they didn't even know

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<v Speaker 1>before the revelations of this history came out. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the descendant community itself had lots of ideas about how

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<v Speaker 1>the university should reconcile with its history, and all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, the conversation was not just an internal conversation

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<v Speaker 1>of the university. There was an outside partner who had

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<v Speaker 1>been wronged who wanted to voice into conversation. So those

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<v Speaker 1>conversations have been going on for some time. There have

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<v Speaker 1>been some things that have gone on, like in April

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand and seventeen, there was a big service

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<v Speaker 1>at Georgetown where both the president of Georgetown and the

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<v Speaker 1>head of the North American Jesuits apologized in the presence

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<v Speaker 1>of members of the descended community for their roles in

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<v Speaker 1>the history of slavery and in the trauma of the sale,

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<v Speaker 1>the sin of the sale. That was the language they used.

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<v Speaker 1>But since then, I think it's been slow owing. There

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<v Speaker 1>have been conversations between the university and Jesuit leadership and

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<v Speaker 1>leadership of the descentate community about how to move forward.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to wait for those conversations to play out.

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<v Speaker 1>So last spring undergraduate students of Georgetown organized a student

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<v Speaker 1>referendum to enact a student fee, an activity fee of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven and twenty cents a semester that would pay

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<v Speaker 1>for a reconciliation fund to support programs it would benefit

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<v Speaker 1>the G two two descent community. Was an amazing thing

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<v Speaker 1>to watch on campus. In the end, the students voted

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelmingly to support the student activity fee. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>highest turnout for a student referendum in Georgetown's history, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was an overwhelming victory for the advocates for what

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<v Speaker 1>was effectively a novel scheme of reparations. The G two

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<v Speaker 1>two was sold for thousand dollars in eighteen thirty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the equivalent of about three million dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>today is money. The student proposal would have raised about

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand dollars a semester, so in five years that

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<v Speaker 1>fee would raise basically the equivalent of the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>the sale. But when we started talking numbers like that,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where it gets tricky, both in terms of how

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<v Speaker 1>you actually calculate the present value of what enslaved people

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<v Speaker 1>contributed to Georgetown University, and beyond that, the question about

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<v Speaker 1>whether you can actually put a price, whether you can

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<v Speaker 1>actually put any kind of number on the value of

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<v Speaker 1>what is owed to the descendants of enslaved people. I

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<v Speaker 1>know members of the descendant community themselves who actually object

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<v Speaker 1>to monetary reparations because they object the idea of putting

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<v Speaker 1>a price on the value of their ancestors life and labor.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't design the program of reparations myself as a

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<v Speaker 1>white historian, but I can say, and this is I

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<v Speaker 1>think what's happened in Georgia, and I and say, look,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the documentation of what actually happened. Think about this,

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<v Speaker 1>reflect on it, and it might move you. So there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of harms to slavery. The robbery of

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<v Speaker 1>the fruits of people's labor was one of them, But

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<v Speaker 1>another one was just the denial of history and the

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<v Speaker 1>separation of families. We saw that in the sale. But

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that I think has happened with

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<v Speaker 1>the recovery of this history is that people have learned

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<v Speaker 1>more about their own families and that psychic trauma of

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<v Speaker 1>the suppression of history that came with slavery, that at

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<v Speaker 1>least has been pride apart a little bit, and that

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<v Speaker 1>I think is by no means a full reparation by

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<v Speaker 1>any start of the imagination. But it's a step towards understanding,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's important. Adam Rothman, Georgetown professor and

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter ninja, what's our next exhibit? Would that be? Exhibit be? Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be Exhibit D D for Desmond Meade. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a voting rights activists who led the successful fight to

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<v Speaker 1>pass Florida Amendment for a two thousand eighteen initiative that

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<v Speaker 1>restored voting rights to over one point four million Floridians

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<v Speaker 1>with previous felony convictions. He's one of Time magazines one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred most influential people in two thousand nineteen. That's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>freaky right there. What's truly freaky, though, is how hard

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<v Speaker 1>the Republicans, including the Santists the governor, are pushing back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because they recognize the policing and control of black

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<v Speaker 1>bodies into prison and out of prison. The denial of

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<v Speaker 1>full citizenship after prison is a building block of white supremacy,

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<v Speaker 1>and white supremacy will not give up without a fight.

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<v Speaker 1>White supremacy is the freak show. Freaking deacon told you

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<v Speaker 1>when I was convicted of a felony offense I lost

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<v Speaker 1>my civil rights, which meant I lost the right to vote,

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<v Speaker 1>the right to serve on the are, the right to

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<v Speaker 1>run for office. And then there are other collateral consequences

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<v Speaker 1>that are associated with the laws of civil rights. When

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<v Speaker 1>we passed Amendment forward, amendment for debt with with the

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<v Speaker 1>right to vote, and so when we passed the memor

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<v Speaker 1>for I got to write the vote back right, but

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<v Speaker 1>my civil rights was haven't been restored. And so what

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<v Speaker 1>that meant was that even though I got the right

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<v Speaker 1>to vote back, and even though I graduated from law

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<v Speaker 1>school with a law degree right and I made the

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<v Speaker 1>deans list my last year, I still can't practice law

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<v Speaker 1>because I can't apply to the Florida Bar to take

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<v Speaker 1>the bar exam until my civil rights have been restored.

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<v Speaker 1>What that means is, even though I've had a very

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<v Speaker 1>successful career, I can't even buy or rent a home

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of places in Florida because my civil

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<v Speaker 1>rights has not been restored. And so the restoration of

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<v Speaker 1>civil rights impact employment opportunities as well in the housing opportunities.

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<v Speaker 1>And so what this policy changed their was allowed people

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<v Speaker 1>to have their civil rights restored along with their voting rights.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though it's all like a package deal now, and

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<v Speaker 1>folks now have more opportunities to buy and rent homes,

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<v Speaker 1>They have more opportunities to get occupational licenses, get a

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<v Speaker 1>much better paying job, and be able to provide for

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<v Speaker 1>their families. So let me tell you, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>impacting every one at the one point for a million

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<v Speaker 1>that benefited from the passing of Amendment four have an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to have their civil rights restored. I am so

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<v Speaker 1>grateful that God has chosen me to be a part

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<v Speaker 1>of this process to make that happen, and I'm honored.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, one of the stories that I like to

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<v Speaker 1>tell is one day slave master awakens and here that

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, those same people who you didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>was even a whole of a man and families you've

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<v Speaker 1>destroyed and murdered and eaten the flesh off their bone, though,

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<v Speaker 1>famed people that you spent on them, now have just

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<v Speaker 1>as much right as you do. And not only do

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<v Speaker 1>they have the same rights as you do, they started

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<v Speaker 1>exercising those rights. And the same people that you had

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<v Speaker 1>your foot on their neck for more than eight minutes

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<v Speaker 1>of forty six seconds are now becoming judges and sheriffs

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<v Speaker 1>and congressmens and having authority over you, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>a scary sight. And so mass incarceration was the fallback

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<v Speaker 1>to where it Okay, well, why don't we create these

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<v Speaker 1>laws that would criminalize things that newly freed slaves would do.

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<v Speaker 1>In doing so, then we're able to grab them and

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<v Speaker 1>arrest them and convict them. And while we convict them,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna strip them away of this new right that

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<v Speaker 1>they have to vote right then to serve on jury

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<v Speaker 1>and and to run for office. And then we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take them and we're gonna throw them back into the

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<v Speaker 1>cage that reminds them of the ships that they were

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<v Speaker 1>brought over from when we brought them over from Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when we get ready, we could take them

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<v Speaker 1>out of those cages and take outsource them as prison labor,

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<v Speaker 1>right back into the same fields in which they was

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<v Speaker 1>liberated from. And then for those that were not able

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<v Speaker 1>to capture like that, we're gonna use the same folks

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<v Speaker 1>that are once called slave patrols that but they have

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<v Speaker 1>evolved into what police right, We're gonna use those same

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<v Speaker 1>folks to exact state sanctioned violence to intimidate and threaten

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest who we can, and kill who we can,

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<v Speaker 1>and hang who we can, and burn who we can.

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<v Speaker 1>To drive home a point that you do not deserve

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<v Speaker 1>to be treated with dignity and respect, that you are

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<v Speaker 1>underneath us, and you will not participate in our elections.

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<v Speaker 1>You would not have a say in how this country

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<v Speaker 1>is ran because you're not equal. The driving force was

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<v Speaker 1>the combining of slave patrols, which is police, with our

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<v Speaker 1>incarceration and judicial system, and together you have a system

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<v Speaker 1>that not only terrorized you on the streets, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is designed to capture you and incarceraate you, and enslave

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<v Speaker 1>you in prison. You know, even though the private prison

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<v Speaker 1>industry is a small portion of its prison industrial complex system,

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<v Speaker 1>what we do recognize is that there is an ecosystem

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<v Speaker 1>that profits off of the bondage of people of color.

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<v Speaker 1>You see it an immigration attention, and of course you

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<v Speaker 1>see it in our criminal legal system. The wealth that's

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<v Speaker 1>in this country is directly related to the profit that

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<v Speaker 1>was made off of the backs of our ancestors that

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<v Speaker 1>was stolen from Africa. So how do we get folks

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<v Speaker 1>to understand that reparations is not robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>Reparations is writing in the justice that would end up

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<v Speaker 1>benefiting all parties involved, say Mr Tambo, Yes, Mr Interlocker,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm beginning to get the impression that reparations is about

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<v Speaker 1>far more than just slavery. Go on that, in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>reparations might have to cover a whole network of structures

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<v Speaker 1>of inequality and repression embedded in the American experiment from

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning to ensure the second class status of Black Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>It's slavery, yes, but it's also the electoral college. It's

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<v Speaker 1>red lining from Jim Crone beyond George Floyd and Brianna Taylor.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, I don't even know you anymore, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>not wrong. Here's son, let me sing it to you.

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<v Speaker 1>De Ray sism and the White side prim c deep

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<v Speaker 1>in resting from me Dinapolis down to Memphis to the see.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where my people here races institutions down on our

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<v Speaker 1>backs or rais or you get vote if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>pay the poll tax or spill my name bakes l

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<v Speaker 1>to tem Us where we can't go no matter what

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<v Speaker 1>we pay. All time sleep patrols become fo That's the

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<v Speaker 1>American way. Do read Sisamander, whites up, primsy everybody. Everybody know. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's America's defining legacy. It's hard. Who ha step back

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<v Speaker 1>beyond sne Oh, who's next. Our next exhibit is an

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<v Speaker 1>interview with Congresswoman Sheila Jackson. Lee represented the fine people

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<v Speaker 1>of the Texas eighteenth. Since you know her, you love her,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's been on the front lines of the fight

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<v Speaker 1>for reparations, she too has something to say about the

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<v Speaker 1>pushback against recognizing slavery and discrimination and the damage done

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<v Speaker 1>to black people in America since sixteen nineteen, and against

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<v Speaker 1>the search for an implementation of remedies. This is becoming

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<v Speaker 1>like a theme, the perversity of the fight against justice.

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<v Speaker 1>The freaky is real, the free is real. Slavery was

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<v Speaker 1>eliminated in eighteen sixty five around the passes of the

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<v Speaker 1>thirteenth Amendment. So people think that's history. That's a long

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<v Speaker 1>time ago, and why are we still talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>The attitude is get over it. And so I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to restate some of those very pointed facts

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<v Speaker 1>of brutality in the inhumanity of slavery. Slaves were not people,

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<v Speaker 1>they were not counted as one human being. What did

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<v Speaker 1>it do to the African American family, male female? Psychologically?

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<v Speaker 1>What did it do to them so so logically? Where

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<v Speaker 1>did they wind up living? What did it mean when

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't buy housing? How did they feel? What did

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<v Speaker 1>it generate? Did it generate mass and conservation? What did

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<v Speaker 1>it do to them economically? Why was the wealth gap

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<v Speaker 1>so huge even though there were success stories? What did

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<v Speaker 1>do with them politically? What did it do to them scientifically?

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<v Speaker 1>When there was a rage in the nineteen sixties that

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<v Speaker 1>assessed that African Americans were inferior, that's why they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>do anything. They couldn't accomplish anything because they were inferior,

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<v Speaker 1>not because the laws of the land, which were clearly

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<v Speaker 1>part of the isolating and targeting of African Americans. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get anything to pile away, to es, grow, to deposit,

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere to pass on. But the ongoing effects of the

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<v Speaker 1>institution of slavery and its legacy of persistent systematic structures

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<v Speaker 1>of discrimination on living African Americans and society in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. What is the qualitative and quantitative number that

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<v Speaker 1>you put on touring in fifty years of free labor

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<v Speaker 1>with no workman's cop no insurance, no pension, which literally

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<v Speaker 1>helped build the economic genius and giantness of America. So

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<v Speaker 1>if we look in that manner, I think that the

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<v Speaker 1>truth will just be so real that you would have

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<v Speaker 1>to look to reparations. You lift one boat, you lift

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<v Speaker 1>all boats. You lift boats in America, in urban pockets,

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<v Speaker 1>in rural pockets. Then you lift America. The economy gets excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Can people see that? Can they see if I lift

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<v Speaker 1>this boat, then this boat over here live. Because firstly,

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<v Speaker 1>there are too many people in the United States that

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<v Speaker 1>live in poverty period, but we are African Americans are

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<v Speaker 1>the bulk of that poverty. So there was disparate treatment,

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<v Speaker 1>disparate access, disparate outcomes. And for that reason, I think

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<v Speaker 1>if there is an understanding of that pain and how

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<v Speaker 1>it translated, if people just quietly reflect, then fear will

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<v Speaker 1>move quickly away, because then the reality of the pain

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<v Speaker 1>will come forward and people will ask in collective voices,

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<v Speaker 1>how can we resolve this? Where is a reconciliation? Where

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<v Speaker 1>is the easing of the pain. So reparations is to fairly,

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<v Speaker 1>calmly seek reconciliation over those painful years, more than two

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<v Speaker 1>centuries of pain and brutality, and to address it in

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty one century and then I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>question of money. And my answer to that is there

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<v Speaker 1>are a myriad of solutions. Let us start the journey

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<v Speaker 1>so that the academicians and groups that have are advocating

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<v Speaker 1>for many different answers, they can all be heard, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe as we hear them, it will be very simple

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<v Speaker 1>to find a way to address the response. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever heard the saying behind every great fortune there is

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<v Speaker 1>a green crime. Yes, I read it in The Godfather. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the French author Balzac said it, and a Frenchman would know.

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<v Speaker 1>And when it comes to the riches of America, ain't

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<v Speaker 1>it the truth? Ain't it the truth? One woman has

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<v Speaker 1>made a regular specialty of linking various blue chip blue

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<v Speaker 1>chip I say, Lincoln blue chip corporations and their fortunes

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<v Speaker 1>to the slave trade. Her work and documenting that ETNA

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<v Speaker 1>Insurance had written insurance policies on enslaved Africans. Oh, boy,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I see where this is going exactly with

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<v Speaker 1>the slaveholders as beneficiaries, led to ETNA making a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar payment to the African American community. This was

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<v Speaker 1>the first reparations court victory in American history. In two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand six, Deadria Farmer Pelman good woman, Yes, indeed she

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<v Speaker 1>is very good woman. Now look, boy, I saved a

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<v Speaker 1>good story for our last exhibit. Did you ever wonder

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<v Speaker 1>why we tip restaurant workers? You mean, instead of giving

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<v Speaker 1>them a fair wage? Right? You catching on? But do

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<v Speaker 1>you think it's because they won't it that way? And

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<v Speaker 1>did you ever notice that the the dog or the

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<v Speaker 1>skin color of the staff gets What if I told

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<v Speaker 1>you that tipping in restaurants in this country is like

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<v Speaker 1>the electoral college, just one more legacy of slavery. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>activist Sorrow Jaroman to tell us how it is. The

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant industry has become the nation's second largest and absolute

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<v Speaker 1>fastest growing private sector employers, and yet despite the industry

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<v Speaker 1>size and its growth, it has been for decades the

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<v Speaker 1>absolute lowest paying employer in the United States of America,

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<v Speaker 1>which is bad for a country to have the largest

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<v Speaker 1>and fastest growing industry be the lowest paying industry. And

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<v Speaker 1>that fact is due to the money power and influence

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<v Speaker 1>of a trade lobby called the National Restaurant Association. We

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<v Speaker 1>call it the Other n r A. The Other n

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<v Speaker 1>r A s history does actually go all the way

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<v Speaker 1>back to emancipation, the restaurant lobby and one other industry,

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<v Speaker 1>the Pullman train company, wanted the right to hire newly

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<v Speaker 1>freed slaves black people and continue to not pay them

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<v Speaker 1>for their labor and instead have them rely entirely on

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<v Speaker 1>this new idea that had just come from England or

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<v Speaker 1>from Europe at the time, called tipping, and so at Emancipation,

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<v Speaker 1>tipping was mutated from being an extra or a bonus

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<v Speaker 1>on top of a wage to becoming the wage itself.

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<v Speaker 1>And we started with a zero dollar wage for tipped

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<v Speaker 1>workers at Emancipation that became law in night when everybody

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<v Speaker 1>got the right to a federal minimum wage for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time as part of the new Deal, except for

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<v Speaker 1>groups of black workers, farm workers, domestic workers, and tipped

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant workers who are told, you get a zero dollar

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<v Speaker 1>wage as long as tips bring you to the full

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<v Speaker 1>minimum wage. And we went from zero and ninety eight

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<v Speaker 1>all the way up to the incredible two dollars and

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen cents an hour, which is the current federal minimum

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<v Speaker 1>wage for tipped workers in the United States of America.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I said at the beginning, that is not

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<v Speaker 1>the wage for a tiny sliver of the American workforce.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the wage for the nation's largest private sector employer,

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<v Speaker 1>largest private sector employer of women, largest private sector employer

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<v Speaker 1>of people of color, largest employer of immigrants, largest employer

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<v Speaker 1>formally incarcerated individuals, largest employer period gets away with legally

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<v Speaker 1>paying its workers two dollars an hour at the federal

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<v Speaker 1>level and under five dollars an hour in four out

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<v Speaker 1>of five states, all because of this legacy of slavery

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<v Speaker 1>and the ongoing power of this trade lobby. So the

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant industry is notoriously racially segregated. Workers of color in

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<v Speaker 1>our industry are segregated into lower paying segments of the industry.

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<v Speaker 1>There in casual restaurants and fast food restaurants rather than

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<v Speaker 1>fine dining, and even in fine dining, they tend to

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<v Speaker 1>be bussers and runners and kitchen staff as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>fine dining servers and bartenders. Now, on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>if workers of color make it the rare exceptions where

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<v Speaker 1>they make it to be servers and bartenders in fine

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<v Speaker 1>dining restaurants, there is irrefutable data that they earn less

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<v Speaker 1>in tips because of customer bias. There is now mountains

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<v Speaker 1>of evidence that tipping is not correlated with the quality

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<v Speaker 1>of the service. Tipping is a reflection of all of

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:54.879
<v Speaker 1>America's biases from the inception of America, and what it

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<v Speaker 1>is correlated with is the race and gender of the server,

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<v Speaker 1>her eye color, her skin color, her hair color, her

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<v Speaker 1>hair texture, her breast size, whether she's willing to touch

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 1>the customer or be touched. And so that segregation of

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 1>workers of color into back of house versus front of house,

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:18.920
<v Speaker 1>which is eerily reminiscent of the way in which slaves

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 1>on plantations or even in reconstruction, people of color were

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:27.399
<v Speaker 1>treated and differentiated. And then on top of that, the

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:30.639
<v Speaker 1>differential in the way people are tipped. All of that

0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 1>results in a five dollar per hour wage gap between

0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 1>black women and white men in our industry. That differential

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:44.359
<v Speaker 1>creates generational poverty depending on where you live in forty

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:47.640
<v Speaker 1>three states in the United States, so most likely wherever

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<v Speaker 1>you go out to eat, every time you tip in

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<v Speaker 1>a restaurant, every worker that you are interacting with is

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<v Speaker 1>being paid less than the minimum wage because you are

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<v Speaker 1>tipping them. It actually is the employer the legal permission

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:05.200
<v Speaker 1>to pay the person less because you tip them. The

0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:10.640
<v Speaker 1>sub minimum wage exacerbates the inequality and it forces all

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 1>of these folks to live off of tips. The fact

0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:16.359
<v Speaker 1>that people of color earn less in tips even when

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 1>they have the same positions, it is a reflection of

0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 1>still deep seated racism in the United States. Even when

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:27.680
<v Speaker 1>workers of color make it to higher paid positions, they

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Speaker 1>cannot earn the same in tips because of this racism,

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 1>and so racism doesn't pay off. Playing into customer racism

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 1>doesn't help, and paying people to dollars also doesn't help

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>you in the long run. What does help you is

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<v Speaker 1>increased mobility for people of color that diversifies your clientele

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:49.520
<v Speaker 1>base and paying people a wage that allows them to

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<v Speaker 1>stay in the restaurant and hone their craft. These are

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 1>not jobs job or they don't have to be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people in this industry take great pride in

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 1>this work. They can sider themselves to be skilled professionals.

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<v Speaker 1>The only reason why these skilled occupations are not seen

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 1>as professions is the way they are treated and paid.

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 1>And we need to see them as skilled professions if

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<v Speaker 1>we want to both break the apartheid and raise all

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>of these jobs to be living wage professions. Well, Whitney,

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<v Speaker 1>did you ever think you'd be talking like fog Horn

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Leghorn about the Freaky Dickie show of corporate institutionalized racism Erica.

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:36.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, I never thought that i'd be in a

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<v Speaker 1>minstrel show voluntarily, So this is definitely a new experience

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 1>for me. You know what, You not many white men

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 1>have this on their resume anymore. I mean, justin Trudeau.

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<v Speaker 1>The come on, let's be real. There's some people who

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:52.320
<v Speaker 1>have done it, and you're doing it for a good cause.

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>You did a great job, you're a great sport about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're thinking I should put this on my resume

0:29:56.920 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 1>for which job? Are you thinking them? And apply to?

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Not think you should? Absolutely, if I were you, I'd

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 1>put it at the top. I'm just glad you didn't

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>ask me to sing. You know I had did that

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:08.479
<v Speaker 1>for you next time. You can't get out of all

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 1>of it. But really we were talking about something that's

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 1>very important for people to understand that they had to

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 1>twist it and mangle it and deform it in order

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<v Speaker 1>for it to grow as institutions, and they did. They

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<v Speaker 1>created all sorts of heinous policies and legislation because they

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<v Speaker 1>could create black people as the freak show. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what's interesting actually, Erica for me doing this is that

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<v Speaker 1>it was so uncomfortable for me to actually do a

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<v Speaker 1>minstrel show with you both. The experience of doing it

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<v Speaker 1>was like out there, but also then that realization it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like the leading into owning it being a

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<v Speaker 1>white person, they we always want to push a Sykee

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<v Speaker 1>that's not me, that history is not me, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>related to me, And then when you actually embody it

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<v Speaker 1>an inhabitant, it kind of like drives something home that yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it actually is me. It is my legacy. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, oh, well, are we letting white people

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<v Speaker 1>off the hook because they're able to like tiptoe away

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<v Speaker 1>from it as opposed to owning it. So I felt

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<v Speaker 1>that was kind of the experience for me and doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, I can't tiptoe away from a minstrel show. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>we're living in a minstrel show if you can take

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<v Speaker 1>away the entertainment and the black face. But the black

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<v Speaker 1>face was meant to activate white persons, the exaggerated version

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<v Speaker 1>that they thought blackness was. You know, if you think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, black people were Africans learned English from white people,

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<v Speaker 1>so if they were talking like that, which they weren't,

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<v Speaker 1>they have been talking like the people who taught them English.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing is that it was meant to be absurd,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know we we did it sort of quick ends,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like an entertainment thing. But they did it

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<v Speaker 1>often to make them seem lazy and shiftless. I was

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<v Speaker 1>got going to ways and black people were never lazy

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<v Speaker 1>and slift shiftless. If we were, we got beat, we

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<v Speaker 1>got killed. So I think one of the biggest lie

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<v Speaker 1>was to create this type of minstrelsy. And to this

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<v Speaker 1>day you hear a lot of people go, what about

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<v Speaker 1>their work ethic they're not used to working and who

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<v Speaker 1>they think built America? Are they crazy? Who they think

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<v Speaker 1>takes the late bus and the early bus in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>not just black people people of color. We are taking

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<v Speaker 1>care of their children, wiping their butts when they get

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<v Speaker 1>old and are dying. And we are also the doctors

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<v Speaker 1>and the scientists. So now it can't be denied that

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<v Speaker 1>we are in every available space in America. And yet

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<v Speaker 1>these things are so inside of the zeitgeist, whether we

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<v Speaker 1>see them or not, they still exist. Well, I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>forward to next week. Awesome, next time on reparations, the

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<v Speaker 1>big payback. The cases for and against reparations do get

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<v Speaker 1>out in the boxing ring. Will you in reparations? I

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<v Speaker 1>think everything that has touched us in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>profited from us and we did not owes us. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't owe me shit. All you owe me is respect

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<v Speaker 1>and opportunity. Not only are reparations of cash payout, they

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<v Speaker 1>need to be long term and systemic, purposeful systems and

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<v Speaker 1>organizations set up that puts black people who were brought

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<v Speaker 1>here his beast and shadow on a pathway to having

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<v Speaker 1>their full rights in prible to just recognized and enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>We gotta stop playing the victim. Well, this happened during slavery,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is why this is still having them today

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<v Speaker 1>or why you're not you know and blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, those things have changed at some point. The

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<v Speaker 1>descending of someone that was brought here in sixteen nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>deserves to steer this raggedy as chip through these trouble water.

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<v Speaker 1>That is an element of reparations that is long deserved.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to talk about rep racing again. It's real.

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<v Speaker 1>So we need to get in live because the Indians

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<v Speaker 1>deserved reparation before we do because they were enslaved too.

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<v Speaker 1>What doc is is a reckoning of the evil and

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<v Speaker 1>the original scene that America did. They enslaved people look

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