Speaker 1: On the Bell cast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands?
Speaker 1: Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing
Speaker 1: it with the bec Del cast. Hey Jamie, Hey Caitlin. Look,
Speaker 1: I know it's your wedding day and you're getting married
Speaker 1: to Alfred Molina right now, But yeah, could this weight no?
Speaker 1: Because I did your floral arrangements and then I looked
Speaker 1: at you and I fell in love with you at
Speaker 1: first sight. Wait, I phone in love with you at
Speaker 1: first sight. This is gonna be kid suck. We should well,
Speaker 1: let's wait a couple of weeks. Jeez, okay, okay, yeah, God,
Speaker 1: Alfred is going to so bummed out when he finds out.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be so bummed out. He's gonna have to
Speaker 1: talk to my precocious kids sister about it on a
Speaker 1: roof for some reason. Yeah, and then he's going to
Speaker 1: be like, I should have married you in year old kid,
Speaker 1: and they're just like, what is this joke that's happening
Speaker 1: with the hot guy from Chasing Liberty? Welcome to cast.
Speaker 1: My name is Jamie Loftus. I just married Alfred Molina. Congratulations.
Speaker 1: My name is Caitlyn Dronte and I will soon be
Speaker 1: marrying Jamie Loftus. It's awesome. And and now um and
Speaker 1: my my, my funny dad is going to be so supportive.
Speaker 1: Your dad? Who is Giles from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer, so I did
Speaker 1: not know that. Did you know that Matthew Good was
Speaker 1: the hot guy from Chasing Liberty? I don't know what
Speaker 1: Chasing Liberty is. See, And that's why this is such
Speaker 1: a strong partnership. We we compliment each other so well.
Speaker 1: We fill in each other's gaps. Wink coo. This is
Speaker 1: really This is Caitlin's horney this year, and it's starting
Speaker 1: to seep into the vernacular here as well. I won't
Speaker 1: deny it. Oh my god, remember when you hit on
Speaker 1: it hit on the tech Guy at our show. I
Speaker 1: only say that because it was in front of the
Speaker 1: audience on Mike. It was it was sort of aggressive.
Speaker 1: I did apologize to him afterward and I said, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry if that made you uncomfortable. But I did call
Speaker 1: back to me hitting on the Tech Guy at a
Speaker 1: live show that we did in Los Angeles, several times,
Speaker 1: and um, and you think this they actually everyone kind
Speaker 1: of did love it, and uh, now we can do
Speaker 1: a reverse and I can show up at your wedding
Speaker 1: in low rise jeans, uh, with a huge belt that's
Speaker 1: like four inches thick. Every outfit that Lena Hetty wars
Speaker 1: and this, uh is it's equally baffling and enticing to me.
Speaker 1: I really love it. The pants just they're so I
Speaker 1: know that that's like just two thousand five in general,
Speaker 1: but when you see pants going so dangerously low, it's concerning.
Speaker 1: There is like I feel like there's some margin of
Speaker 1: error where it's like there's an inch of hip flesh
Speaker 1: where it's like stops being sexy and starts being like,
Speaker 1: what's going to happen? Like it starts right, it starts
Speaker 1: to make me nervous. Yeah. Speaking of the wardrobe, I
Speaker 1: wrote down in my notes that this is the scarfyst
Speaker 1: movie I've ever seen, and that no less than thirty
Speaker 1: different scarves are seen spread across at least a dozen
Speaker 1: different characters. It's very scarfy. I didn't notice this scarfys
Speaker 1: because I was too busy writing down this horrible joke.
Speaker 1: What is this coyote British. Okay, it's the episode of Yes,
Speaker 1: thanks for listening. You can you can follow us on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Let's get Sammy in here. It's time. Yeah, we gotta
Speaker 1: get Sammy in here. So we'll introduce our guests and
Speaker 1: then we'll explain what this podcast is. So our guest
Speaker 1: today is the senior audio producer at Entertainment Weekly. You
Speaker 1: know them from our episodes on She's the Man and
Speaker 1: Crazy Stupid Love? Is that even the name of that movie?
Speaker 1: Don't remember? And you know them from being our road
Speaker 1: dog on various tours. It's Sammy Junio. Welcome back friend. Wait,
Speaker 1: is this your jacket appearance? This is this is episode three,
Speaker 1: isn't it? This is three? But we are jacket appearances.
Speaker 1: We give our out jackets jacket five five? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: to be clear, who has a jacket? Followed through on
Speaker 1: the jacket promise? We've never given out a jacket. Naomi
Speaker 1: has a jacket? Does just just Kenese? Just Kenese has
Speaker 1: a jacket? God damn it. That's exciting because now I
Speaker 1: think I confuse it with three. She's in the three club, right, correct,
Speaker 1: there's a three club, then there's the jacket club, right,
Speaker 1: So Sammy you are now in the three club, which
Speaker 1: is just the name that I don't get a jacket. No,
Speaker 1: we'll give you a little hug. I think I'm busy
Speaker 1: now I should believe so Caitlin's horny year. I just
Speaker 1: want to hug my friends. I know I've talked about
Speaker 1: this on the show before, but I worked very briefly
Speaker 1: right after I got out of college at this place.
Speaker 1: But I guess will remain nameless because it's still open
Speaker 1: for some reason. But they call their employees guest huggers,
Speaker 1: and if anyone comes in and they're like, I want
Speaker 1: to hug At the time, you had to hug them,
Speaker 1: I hate it. And you made eight dollars an hour
Speaker 1: and it was four thirty in the morning. How many
Speaker 1: hugs did you deal out? I would say I didn't
Speaker 1: give out many hugs, but I hugged the same people
Speaker 1: over and over. A lot of regulars came in wanting
Speaker 1: wanting a hug because the hug is required. Did you
Speaker 1: have like limitations around the hugs, like no longer than
Speaker 1: three seconds, you can't snuggle in their neck? Like what's
Speaker 1: the deal with these hugs? I don't think unless I'm
Speaker 1: blocking things out, I don't think I ever had a
Speaker 1: problem with like hug duration. It was more the firmness
Speaker 1: of the hug and the earliness I felt. I felt
Speaker 1: defenseless because it was always five am, and it would
Speaker 1: be like a weird old guy would come in and
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm here, and you know, so I'm here.
Speaker 1: I'm here for my hog, and then you didn't have
Speaker 1: to hug him. I don't like that one bit for anyways, Sammy,
Speaker 1: that's what we could do for you, thoughts, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll do it. We're going to have it. I'll pay
Speaker 1: you both eight dollars an hour. Sorry, bye, oh thank you? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks so much. Um. This is our show in which
Speaker 1: we examined movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the
Speaker 1: Bechtel test simply as a jumping off point to get
Speaker 1: a converse station going and Jamie, what is that though? Oh? Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: well it's this the Bechdel Test. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: different versions of it. It was created by queer cartoonist
Speaker 1: Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace Test. Our version
Speaker 1: of it is this, we require that two characters of
Speaker 1: a marginalized gender with names talk to each other about
Speaker 1: something other than a man for two lines of dialogue,
Speaker 1: and they have to be narratively significant lines of dialogue.
Speaker 1: No past the coffee, okay, No, no thank you okay
Speaker 1: unless unless that coffee has poison? Yeah? Wow? Should we
Speaker 1: write this screenplay? I think I just rewatched Phantom Thread
Speaker 1: is that's my cross to bear? Um? The movie recovering
Speaker 1: today is Imagine Me and You. It is a two
Speaker 1: thou and five British I don't know why I said
Speaker 1: British like that, like accusation, British rom com directed by
Speaker 1: Mamma Mia. Mama me a man Old Parker ak Mr
Speaker 1: Papia MoMA Me and You. That's where he got the
Speaker 1: idea to direct Mamma Mia. Wow. What's his name? I
Speaker 1: know that he's married to His name is Old park
Speaker 1: Yeah he is Mr Dandy Newton. Oh congrats? Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: truly they've been married for a long time. And so
Speaker 1: they're at home. I mean, is he called Papa Pia
Speaker 1: at home? Compia anywhere? That's what? That's not even my junk.
Speaker 1: That's from our MoMA Mia episode with me. Wow, that's
Speaker 1: a call back. I think I forgot about. It's a
Speaker 1: good jow when she said Papa Pia, it rocked my world.
Speaker 1: He I don't think he directed the first one. It
Speaker 1: was just Momma, here we go again. Or did he
Speaker 1: do both? I think he just did the second one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: unless he only wants credit for the second one. No, No,
Speaker 1: he's he's directed this. He's directed the best Exotic Mayor,
Speaker 1: so he wrote it. I don't think I care. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's worth talking about because he, as far as I know,
Speaker 1: is a straight man who directed, wrote, and directed this
Speaker 1: movie about queer women's so that'll be worth discussing. Perhaps
Speaker 1: he didn't do terrible things to them, which is nice true,
Speaker 1: but then there's also some choices that were made. I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: a straight guy wrote this movie. I can tell Sammy,
Speaker 1: what is your relationship with this movie? This movie was
Speaker 1: brought to my attention recently by one of my dear friends,
Speaker 1: and I mentioned that I hadn't seen it, and she
Speaker 1: said she reacted in that way that like some people
Speaker 1: do when you don't you haven't watched like Jurassic Arc
Speaker 1: or Back to the Future, and you have to see it,
Speaker 1: which usually I shut down and then stop watching movies
Speaker 1: for two years because I just don't like that too much,
Speaker 1: too much. It's a little too much. But because it
Speaker 1: is a piece of queer cinema, I watched it. It's fine,
Speaker 1: it's fine. It is fine. Yeah, we'll talk about the
Speaker 1: degree to which it is fine. For the record, though,
Speaker 1: when you approached me to cover a movie on the
Speaker 1: Bachtel cast because of my gayness and you get doing
Speaker 1: a rainbow capitalism move by featuring queers in June, I
Speaker 1: we're basically the gap and we're like, all of our
Speaker 1: shirts are rainbow this month or whatever. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're a bank with a rainbow flag outside. That's terrifying.
Speaker 1: And then outside of June, you're awful, right, don't give jerks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd say we're the opposite of allies. Right, Okay, So, uh, Jamie,
Speaker 1: what is your relationship with this movie? If any, I
Speaker 1: didn't really have one. I was aware of this movie
Speaker 1: and I had not seen it. It wasn't like honestly,
Speaker 1: sometimes I the difference between me ching a movie and
Speaker 1: not is is it streaming for free at this exact second.
Speaker 1: If the answer is no, then I'm like, well I'll
Speaker 1: get around to it, or eventually I'll have to pay
Speaker 1: four dollars to watch it for my job, and that
Speaker 1: is what has happened here. And I, I mean, I
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I think that like there's there are some
Speaker 1: problematic elements to it, but as far as uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I generally like rom comms, even when they're corny and
Speaker 1: problematic and horrible, and this movie is all three of
Speaker 1: those things to some extent, but to less of an
Speaker 1: extent than I think your average rom com, which is
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. So I enjoyed it. I thought it was lovely.
Speaker 1: I also, like, really like the two lead actors in
Speaker 1: this movie, so that made it quite easy to watch.
Speaker 1: And also they're like I fell down a rabbit hole
Speaker 1: of how they're like best friends. And there's all these
Speaker 1: cute interviews that they've done together, because they did two
Speaker 1: movies together this year, and one was called The Cave
Speaker 1: and one was called Imagine Me, and you like we
Speaker 1: were so close from the set of the Cave that
Speaker 1: we couldn't wait to play a couple. I don't know
Speaker 1: what The Cave is about, and I don't care. I'm
Speaker 1: guessing it's about a cave that much I feel pretty
Speaker 1: sure of. But or it's another queer exploration movie and
Speaker 1: the Cave is a puss. Things are getting horny again.
Speaker 1: Dang it like that guys Nottle hornytown. Here we go broom.
Speaker 1: Oh okay. I had never seen this movie either, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't even super on my radar. I was under
Speaker 1: the impression that basically every not that this is even
Speaker 1: an extremely mainstream movie. But it got like a theatrical release,
Speaker 1: not the widest release, but it's like a fairly widest
Speaker 1: It's not like an art house movie. It's like a
Speaker 1: fairly mainstream British cow wide was the Caves release? I
Speaker 1: bet it was a little bit wider and yeah, definitely longer.
Speaker 1: You So what was I saying this movie? It was
Speaker 1: not super on my radar because I was under the
Speaker 1: impression that the most mainstream lesbian movies were period pieces
Speaker 1: that ended in sadness and or tragedy. So I was
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised that this is a lighthearted rom com that
Speaker 1: has a happy ending. It has a big corny ending
Speaker 1: set piece and rething. Oh yeah, parents are French ng
Speaker 1: in traffic. You're like, what is going on here? There's
Speaker 1: a check offs diaphragm. We'll get into that Forney, So
Speaker 1: should I? Should I do the recap of the movie. Actually,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break first, because we've been we've
Speaker 1: been yabbing, horny yabs and what wait wait, wait before
Speaker 1: we go to this break any it's just when you're
Speaker 1: yabbing and gabbing, is yabb even a word? Look, I'm
Speaker 1: tired today, so we're gabbing, and it took so long
Speaker 1: that we have to go to break. So let's do
Speaker 1: that and we'll be right back. And we're back. We're
Speaker 1: on fire today. I swear our smoothest episode. It I
Speaker 1: feel like I've derailed us. No, no, it's not you, Sam,
Speaker 1: it's actually because Caitlin was getting derailed whoke Horney. The
Speaker 1: plot of Imagine Me and You is this. We meet Rachel.
Speaker 1: That's Piper Parabo. She is getting ready for her wedding.
Speaker 1: She's with her mom and dad, Tessa and Ned played
Speaker 1: by Celia Emery, I'mory and Anthony Head that's Giles from
Speaker 1: Buffy Gile. Also there is Rachel's little sister, Henrietta, and
Speaker 1: then also her friends come in Beth and Zena played
Speaker 1: by Sharon Horgan and Vanette Robinson. Remember where they made
Speaker 1: the kids fall in love. Sorry, there when they hate it, creepy, creepy.
Speaker 1: I hate it so much. Here is h actually Rachel's
Speaker 1: little sister, because when they're walking, he's a carnival bonfire thing.
Speaker 1: She's with another adult and she's like, I'm not your mother.
Speaker 1: I was really curious about that too, because she only
Speaker 1: has adult friends. This little girl, this nine year old girl,
Speaker 1: doesn't have any friends her age except for a boyfriend
Speaker 1: she gets later. She only hangs out with adults. The
Speaker 1: woman who is like, I'm not your mom is her
Speaker 1: friend Beth. It's such a bizarre addition to the movie.
Speaker 1: But there is a little sister, Henrietta. It is I
Speaker 1: feel like the mid two thousand's was the peak of
Speaker 1: this just like garbage trope of like I'm a kid
Speaker 1: and all my friends are adults, that I'm really smart
Speaker 1: and listen to my vocabulary and do you believe in
Speaker 1: love at first sight? And you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's not the kid's fault, but I feel sick. What's
Speaker 1: an unstoppable face? Oh my god? Kind of to be
Speaker 1: my best friend, says Elanista. I was like, what the
Speaker 1: fund is happening? Yeah, she should be shamed. For a
Speaker 1: friend and spending all of her free time with a
Speaker 1: child who she's not related to. Wait, hold on one
Speaker 1: more thing before we talk about did you both see
Speaker 1: the fact about Click? Yes on the Wikipedia page. Oh, Sammy,
Speaker 1: I feel like you'll like this. This movie was originally
Speaker 1: called click because they click, and then they had to
Speaker 1: change it because of the movie Click, which is about
Speaker 1: Stanley with a remote control that changes the course of time.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a It was a good pivot
Speaker 1: because I feel like probably it would have been called click.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, no one thought of that, And I honestly think,
Speaker 1: you know, if there was a movie that needed the
Speaker 1: title click more, I think that it was the movie
Speaker 1: about movie Click feels more integral to the premise. Yeah. Anyways,
Speaker 1: how what happens in the movie, So okay, So we
Speaker 1: see Rachel getting ready for her wedding. Then we cut
Speaker 1: to loose. That's Lena Hetty. She is a florist who
Speaker 1: did the floral arrangement for this upcoming wedding. We see
Speaker 1: everyone arriving at the wedding. We meet the groom, Hector
Speaker 1: a k A. Heck is what everyone calls him. So British.
Speaker 1: One thing that confused me about Hector is that he
Speaker 1: got so or Heck, I guess we have to call
Speaker 1: him heck Um. Is that they established him as being
Speaker 1: very shy, like he's too shy to make his speech
Speaker 1: at the wedding, but then for the rest of the
Speaker 1: movie he's in fact very outgoing. So there are a
Speaker 1: lot of that all about public speaking is is horrifying though,
Speaker 1: that's true, But then he like was accosting people at
Speaker 1: the grocery store, where he's just like, are you gay?
Speaker 1: At the girl? I was like, this feels like a
Speaker 1: different person to me at grocery outing. What a what
Speaker 1: a trope? What was going on there? Still, I still
Speaker 1: think that public speaking is is horrifying, and there's a
Speaker 1: big difference between that and outing people on the grocery store.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, Heck really loves to out people. At least
Speaker 1: every other scene it happens. It happens so frequently it
Speaker 1: kind of becomes his thing. It's really bizarre. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: there's that. He is played by Matthew Good. The wedding
Speaker 1: starts and as Rachel is walking down the aisle, she
Speaker 1: makes eye contact with Loose love It. They give each
Speaker 1: other a little look. It cute. I love it. At
Speaker 1: the reception, Loose introduces herself to Rachel. She helps like
Speaker 1: fish Rachel's wedding ring out of a glass bucket full
Speaker 1: of some kind of drink. This scene, it's a fun scene. Also,
Speaker 1: here's some things about that whole scene. Number one, Loose
Speaker 1: already just wraps her arm around Rachel, like immediately to
Speaker 1: move her in front of her while she's fishing the
Speaker 1: punch out. So touchy. Doyd love it. Yes? Is it inappropriate? Also? Yes?
Speaker 1: And then also if you're going elbow deep into anything
Speaker 1: or anyone. She didn't take off any she didn't wipe
Speaker 1: off her arm. She knew how far she had to
Speaker 1: go in. She didn't wipe off her she didn't take
Speaker 1: off her jewelry, which was the whole problem. Also, was
Speaker 1: it explained how the ring even got in there. She's like,
Speaker 1: it's in there. It's like, how did it know? Who
Speaker 1: put it there? She just dropped it in because you
Speaker 1: didn't want to be married to her? Straight as heck.
Speaker 1: She made a mistake, immediately knew it. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: that's foreshadowing her wedding ring falling off. She also she
Speaker 1: does play with it at the end, spoiler alert. And
Speaker 1: she's just like, it's still not tied on her finger
Speaker 1: because it's just like flopping around anyway. You can't be
Speaker 1: having a floppy wedding ring. Yeah, doesn't bode well. I
Speaker 1: do like when Lena Hetty, Lena Hetty gives that jerky
Speaker 1: guy that heck works with a clammy handshake, and I
Speaker 1: giggled giggled at the clammy handshake. There was a sound
Speaker 1: effect it was like and it was gross. There's also
Speaker 1: the thing of like, uh, I forgot all of their
Speaker 1: names just now, Rachel Loose Loose instinctually put the ring
Speaker 1: back on Rachel's finger, and Rachel there was like, no,
Speaker 1: there's no like shock of oh, she's touching me, Like
Speaker 1: she's just like I put it on as your hand
Speaker 1: is behind your back and I don't know. They were
Speaker 1: being rascally. I loved it. I'm realizing that I mix
Speaker 1: up this guy, Matthew Good with another British guy who
Speaker 1: was hot around the same time named Hugh Dancy. Oh
Speaker 1: isn't Hugh Dancy the guy and Ella enchanted? Or no? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: they're just like generically it's hard to keep generically hot
Speaker 1: guys straight. Sometimes true Also, I think Hugh Dancy is
Speaker 1: married to oh gosh, I forgot her name, Claire Danes. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, he is big win for Hugh. She's Matthew
Speaker 1: Good's wife doesn't even have a Wikipedia page. It makes
Speaker 1: me sick, loser, I all right, but I just need
Speaker 1: to barrel through this. Okay. So we see Loose helping
Speaker 1: Rachel with her floppy wedding ring, and then we see
Speaker 1: them like vibing. You know, they're they're they're connecting. We
Speaker 1: also see a bunch of men try to hit on Loose,
Speaker 1: such as Heck best Man, Coop and then that sleazy
Speaker 1: guy that you were talking about Jamie's names Rob, but
Speaker 1: take Coop, Heck, Loose Um Coop socks and I hate
Speaker 1: that the movie tries to make us think that he
Speaker 1: doesn't suck. Yeah, I think that's That was one of
Speaker 1: the more glaring things for me was being asked to
Speaker 1: root for Coop. Yeah, can't, can't do it. So all
Speaker 1: these guys are hitting on Loose, but she doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to be into any of them. Then, one day after
Speaker 1: the wedding, Rachel comes into Loose's flower shop and thanks
Speaker 1: her for doing a good flower job. At the wedding.
Speaker 1: At what wedding does the florist hang out the entire
Speaker 1: time and has such a presence that a child befriends
Speaker 1: them and then come for their number. I don't understand this.
Speaker 1: How did they stay in contact this child and this
Speaker 1: adult right in two thousand and five? No, less like
Speaker 1: would have been very difficult. I also, I mean there's
Speaker 1: so many like this is such a rom COMI rom
Speaker 1: com like down to the fact that her job is florist.
Speaker 1: You're like, really, we couldn't do at least you see
Speaker 1: her doing her job and it's not just like, what's
Speaker 1: a rom com job? She curates things at museum, but
Speaker 1: she has a flourish Do we know what Rachel does?
Speaker 1: I believe she's a journalist, but we only see one
Speaker 1: scene in which she is doing work journally. But your diary, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's she's writing into her diary. UM. I made note
Speaker 1: of this that the movie cares way more about hex
Speaker 1: job because we see him at work, we're talking about
Speaker 1: work or something relating to his work, and not just
Speaker 1: his current job but his like dream job that gets
Speaker 1: talked about constantly. And then Rachel's job is just like
Speaker 1: what does she do again? You see her at an
Speaker 1: office a bunch. I didn't realize that she was doing journalism.
Speaker 1: There's that scene where she seems to be like editing
Speaker 1: a piece that either someone else wrote or that she wrote.
Speaker 1: You'd be funny if she was like solving the Zodiac
Speaker 1: case and just the movie was not interested in there,
Speaker 1: just like she won a Pulitzer the next year, not
Speaker 1: the the plot of the movie was very interested in that.
Speaker 1: I love that he also hex job. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like what I'm sure I I sort of understand like
Speaker 1: where they weren't going by being like he's got to
Speaker 1: make changes in his life question Mark. But like, I
Speaker 1: don't know why we're seeing this man at work doing
Speaker 1: business deals and being like, I hate business deals four
Speaker 1: point one temperatures. What are you doing? I think he's
Speaker 1: day trading crypto. Do you think Papa Pia really knew
Speaker 1: what he was writing down when he wrote that down?
Speaker 1: I don't think. So. I don't know this job, my
Speaker 1: my just stay stuffing the phone. I don't know go on, Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: So Rachel goes to lose his flower shop and she's like, hey,
Speaker 1: come to dinner with me and my husband. We'll see
Speaker 1: you Friday, and she's and loses, like sounds great. So
Speaker 1: then Rachel tells Heck about these dinner plans, and she
Speaker 1: reveals that she is trying to set up Loose with Coop,
Speaker 1: that guy who is like hecks friend slash best man.
Speaker 1: And this is a part of the movie that don't
Speaker 1: try to find any logic here, because there isn't any,
Speaker 1: because what has happened already is that Coop at the
Speaker 1: wedding was aggressively hitting on Loose, even more aggressively than
Speaker 1: I was hitting on the tech guy at that show.
Speaker 1: That's that's actually a good yardstick to use moving forward,
Speaker 1: more or less aggressive of that as that night downtown,
Speaker 1: way more aggressive than that because he was like groping
Speaker 1: her on the dance floor and like being really sleezy
Speaker 1: was disgusting. So he has already expressed ample interest in Loose. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Rachel is like, yeah, I'm trying to set them up.
Speaker 1: I think they would be a great match, which, first
Speaker 1: of all, what is your judge of character, Rachel, if
Speaker 1: you think that Coop is all a good person? And secondly,
Speaker 1: why are you trying because she's like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: do you think Coope likes Loose. I hope he does,
Speaker 1: and it's like he's already said a million times he does.
Speaker 1: So there's just like a really weird plot hole. I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's like a missing scene or what.
Speaker 1: Done that made sense? The closest I could get to,
Speaker 1: like finding some logic in there was like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen this happen before. Is like
Speaker 1: if you have a like if someone has a crush
Speaker 1: on someone else while they're in a relationship, They're like,
Speaker 1: I've got to pair this person off. I gotta get
Speaker 1: this person into a relationship so they're not tempting to
Speaker 1: me anymore. I've seen that happen in friend groups, where
Speaker 1: it's like we need to neutralize the situation. But this
Speaker 1: is like friends and not a florist you met for
Speaker 1: a couple hours at your wedding. That's the other thing, right,
Speaker 1: It's like I keep forgetting they're actually not friends, that
Speaker 1: they don't know each other. But you wouldn't know that
Speaker 1: based on what happens in the movie, because both Heck
Speaker 1: and Rachel are acting as though Loose is a very
Speaker 1: close friend of theirs, but they didn't meet until the wedding,
Speaker 1: and Loose doesn't appear to have friends except for the
Speaker 1: friend from the grocery store, like Loose has friends, but
Speaker 1: only when it's plot convenient. Right. The relationships in this
Speaker 1: movie in general, and the way they are established and
Speaker 1: pan out, often make absolutely no sense. But the point
Speaker 1: here is that Rachel is trying to set up Loose
Speaker 1: with Coop, and she really hopes that Coop likes Loose.
Speaker 1: She doesn't really care if Luke, like Loose likes Coop.
Speaker 1: There's too many consonant sounds here. She doesn't care if
Speaker 1: Lucy Coop, which is also like maybe this is like
Speaker 1: a two five haircut, like men's haircut back then, we're
Speaker 1: not very good. But they kept talking about Coop like
Speaker 1: well who could resist? And I'm like, I'm sorry, easily
Speaker 1: feel like many of us good because his personality is
Speaker 1: also dogshit and his hair cut it looks like you
Speaker 1: went through the Casper machine. Okay, oh that's the best
Speaker 1: burn on the entire world burn, thank you. So that's happening.
Speaker 1: But then also Rachel is like, yeah, I have this
Speaker 1: feeling the Luce and I are going to be really
Speaker 1: good friends. Were just like we're kind of soul mates,
Speaker 1: but in a friend way, so so she reveals that
Speaker 1: to Heck. Then Loose comes over for dinner and reveals
Speaker 1: to Heck that she is gay, which Heck reveals to
Speaker 1: Coop immediately everyone he's ever met so many people. But
Speaker 1: then Coop is like, oh, well, I can switch people
Speaker 1: from being gay to being into me fucking childish, and
Speaker 1: he does this constantly throughout the movie as well, and
Speaker 1: again where it's like, I'm sorry, we're supposed to be
Speaker 1: We're supposed to find this guy compelling at all, because like,
Speaker 1: we don't want him to get hit by a car, right.
Speaker 1: I had to when that started coming up. I had
Speaker 1: to remind myself how close in proximity this movie came
Speaker 1: out to Geelie, a movie in which that is the
Speaker 1: entire premise. Yeah, wow, so I almost forgot. Unfortunately, this
Speaker 1: kind of rhetoric was um so tolerated in the Bush
Speaker 1: administration years that you could make a whole movie about it.
Speaker 1: It is true. Okay, So they're all at dinner and
Speaker 1: everyone is discussing the idea of like love at first
Speaker 1: sight versus falling in love with someone gradually, and they
Speaker 1: all kind of figure out where they stand on that,
Speaker 1: and I'm I guess this is supposed to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the theme of the movie, but it's like
Speaker 1: very clunky and like not very well done. Where do
Speaker 1: we stand on this whole thing? Well, as um, someone
Speaker 1: who's experiencing their horny ist year, I believe in horny
Speaker 1: at first sight. Damn m what about you, Sammy. I
Speaker 1: think it's like a it's probably a horny at first sight,
Speaker 1: but there is like that that vibe thing that happens,
Speaker 1: uh sometimes with like with Rachel and Luis, which is like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, now the rest of my day and possibly
Speaker 1: weak is ruined because I'm going to be thinking about you.
Speaker 1: Is it essentially love? No, But I think that a
Speaker 1: lot of people confuse it with that. But like you know,
Speaker 1: when you see somebody and you're like, oh fuck, I'm
Speaker 1: obsessed with you. I think my life has changed. But
Speaker 1: you're not going to say that immediately. You might say
Speaker 1: it later. Speak for yourself. Corny, corny alert because are
Speaker 1: adding a fog horn sound effect a fog horn. It's
Speaker 1: so HORNI al arms Jamie your thoughts. I believe in
Speaker 1: it because I suck. I'm corny. I do believe in it.
Speaker 1: I I think I don't believe in it. Like every
Speaker 1: time someone says it happens, sometimes they have to, um,
Speaker 1: you know, like just go to therapy sometimes. But other
Speaker 1: times I do think it's possible. I have experienced it
Speaker 1: and then I ended up in a really long relationship. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's so nice. So it doesn't mean it has to
Speaker 1: be good good or end well to count, right, No,
Speaker 1: one like that's a common misconception. True, I believe in it,
Speaker 1: but I also don't think it's like, um, I feel
Speaker 1: like it's overblown of like it's not a must, right,
Speaker 1: A slow burn is good. You can also try horny
Speaker 1: at first sight. Just a thought. I I think I
Speaker 1: should try more horny at first sight because it sounds
Speaker 1: it sounds less punishing, it's pretty fun. Okay. So Coop
Speaker 1: gives Loose a ride home from the dinner and she confides, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's creepy. He's again aggressively hitting on her the whole time.
Speaker 1: She confides in him that she's into someone, but that
Speaker 1: person has already partnered and by this point, we the
Speaker 1: audience can assume that it's Rachel who she's into. We
Speaker 1: saw the poster right. Also, Coop's hand is on Loose's
Speaker 1: butt on the poster for the movie. Don't know if
Speaker 1: we caught that it's true. He's like, canonically the worst.
Speaker 1: It's just wild. He's awful. Then Rachel and Heck, because
Speaker 1: don't forget his name is Heck. They run into Loose
Speaker 1: at the supermarket when she's with another woman, Eadie, who
Speaker 1: I think we also saw earlier at the very beginning
Speaker 1: of the movie at the flower shop. Yeah, so they're friends,
Speaker 1: and Heck is like, Rachel, you know your friend Luce. Well,
Speaker 1: she's gay, by the way. And then they run into
Speaker 1: eat Loose and Eadie again and he's like, hey, Eadie,
Speaker 1: are you gay? So he's just like loudly Mr shy,
Speaker 1: not respecting boundaries, screaming top of his lungs at the
Speaker 1: grocery store. I just gay as a tennis player. Yes,
Speaker 1: that is a line of dialogue. I hate to see
Speaker 1: Papa Pia. What are you doing? So Eadie reveals that
Speaker 1: she and Loose are just friends, they're not dating, and
Speaker 1: then Rachel seems to start questioning things about herself, about
Speaker 1: love in general, perhaps even about her relationship with Heck.
Speaker 1: Nigay um okay. So then everyone goes to Rachel's sister,
Speaker 1: Henrietta's school play slash science presentation. I'm not really sure
Speaker 1: what it is. What weird excuse was there for Loose
Speaker 1: to be there because Henrietta asked Luce? I helped her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: LuSE helped Henrietta with the project because they're best friends.
Speaker 1: Question Mark, so weird, so sinister? When did you access
Speaker 1: this child? When did this child come in contact with
Speaker 1: you long enough to I hate asking questions of a
Speaker 1: movie like this, but I just cannot handle it. I
Speaker 1: cannot suspend much suspension of disbelief, and I can suspend
Speaker 1: not to brag, but I can suspend my disbelief. We've
Speaker 1: seen it, We've seen it happen. I saw Doctor Strange,
Speaker 1: So I think I know a thing or two about
Speaker 1: my disbelief because it felt real. Let me um. One
Speaker 1: of the like conventions of rom coms is that the characters,
Speaker 1: and specifically the romantic interests, usually bump into each other
Speaker 1: very conveniently, very plot device e very often. So it's
Speaker 1: not out of like the realm of you know, being
Speaker 1: able to suspend your disbelief for a rom com that
Speaker 1: these characters are running into each other, but the way
Speaker 1: the movie justifies that they're running into each other is
Speaker 1: what is absolutely wild and makes no sense ever. Just
Speaker 1: have her like have a niece in the like there's
Speaker 1: there's so many ways to have this be a like corny,
Speaker 1: forced together rom com thing that I love without her
Speaker 1: being best friends with a nine year old? Why keep
Speaker 1: the kids out of it? Yeah? Why is the kid
Speaker 1: even there? So I know I can like suspend my
Speaker 1: just like Lena Hetty is a very like talented actress,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you're like, get Sarcey away from that kid.
Speaker 1: She's got a bad track record, true wow, pushing kids
Speaker 1: out of windows and everything, you know, like, let Cercy
Speaker 1: Lanister that close to your fourth grader? Good luck, honey, scary? Okay.
Speaker 1: So Rachel and Loose are at this like science presentation
Speaker 1: of Henrietta's and Rachel fantasizes about getting close to Loose
Speaker 1: and touching her hair and maybe even kissing her. So horny,
Speaker 1: very good. I did like that so good. I screamed
Speaker 1: the first time, second time and third time I watched it.
Speaker 1: They're saying, you're right, Jamie. There scenes making so horny
Speaker 1: that like almost the rest of the movie being awful,
Speaker 1: is okay? It doesn't matter if it gets bad five
Speaker 1: seconds after. But yeah, that scene I really enjoyed, and
Speaker 1: even though a lot of it, You're right, Sammy was
Speaker 1: inappropriate an overly touchy. I did love the punch ball
Speaker 1: scene also so good. I would do it absolutely. I mean,
Speaker 1: we haven't even gotten to the diaphragm scene, so just
Speaker 1: you wait, ye had the second time Loose grabs Rachel's underbreast. Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm horne while someone else is on the train to Hornytown.
Speaker 1: We are okay. So Rachel is having this fantasy about
Speaker 1: nuzzling up with Loose, and then Rachel tries to talk
Speaker 1: to Loose about her feelings, but Loose kind of runs away,
Speaker 1: and it seems like she doesn't want to be responsible
Speaker 1: for tearing apart anyone's relationship, and specifically Rachel's relationship with
Speaker 1: Heck Yeah, for some reason, she tells Coop She's like,
Speaker 1: guess what guy who won't stop harassing me? I don't
Speaker 1: believe in messing with other people's relationships because they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be friends, question Mark, And You're like, yeah, they
Speaker 1: become friends, and it's like, why this guy sucks so bad? Right?
Speaker 1: She probably has other friends. D like Luce has horrible
Speaker 1: tasted friends as because she becomes friends with a fourth
Speaker 1: grader and a guy who stops actually harassing her in
Speaker 1: the course of this movie. And you're like, you already
Speaker 1: have friends, and your mom seems really nice, and and
Speaker 1: the one friend that she does have who seems age
Speaker 1: appropriate and who doesn't mistreat her is dy and we
Speaker 1: barely see that relationship on screen. Yeah, and she's one
Speaker 1: of the only other few queer characters in the movie.
Speaker 1: So although the way that she grabbed her in the
Speaker 1: grocery store and was just like I tried, there's also
Speaker 1: probably some weirdness there. Yes, I thought that was weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it stresses me out. Everything's a mess in this movie. Sorry, Kaitlyn,
Speaker 1: you did almost say characters on your characters, and I
Speaker 1: just wanted I just wanted to make sure we um acknowledge.
Speaker 1: We acknowledged it, and now it's out there, and if
Speaker 1: our audience wants to take that into their vernacular save
Speaker 1: half a second of time, they're welcome to do so.
Speaker 1: Merged coming possibly Crecters. I don't know want that on
Speaker 1: our permanent record. I think you should. Okay, So then
Speaker 1: Rachel goes to a video store and rents and I
Speaker 1: couldn't tell if this was specifically a lesbian porn movie,
Speaker 1: but it's a porn movie and her mom catches her
Speaker 1: while she's renting it. Heck catches her while she's watching it.
Speaker 1: Each time she plays it off is like a mistake
Speaker 1: or it's research or something silly. I accidentally brought four
Speaker 1: pornography films on vhs back to my flat. We all
Speaker 1: can relate, you know why? I said pornography films gen
Speaker 1: So sometimes that will happen. Also, it's two thousand and six.
Speaker 1: You have the internet, right, Yeah? No one told her
Speaker 1: about whatever website people were on a two thousen six?
Speaker 1: Was it red Tube? Was that Red Tube era? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, what, how do you know, Sammy?
Speaker 1: That was a test on the game positive for Horny
Speaker 1: Horny Town. Okay. Heck notices that Rachel has been a
Speaker 1: bit distant lately, and he's kind of trying to maybe
Speaker 1: spice things up or figure things out. Meanwhile, Rachel continues
Speaker 1: to think about Loose. Then Heck has to bail on
Speaker 1: plans that he had with Rachel, so he asks their
Speaker 1: new best friend Loose again. This relationship is very weird,
Speaker 1: but he's like, hey, Loose, will you take my wife
Speaker 1: out in my place? And then she does so. Rachel
Speaker 1: and Loose to a soccer game where Loose grabs Rachel's
Speaker 1: diaphragm and teaches her how to yell really loudly. Don't worry.
Speaker 1: That comes back in a check offs. Diaphragm our favorite
Speaker 1: term right up there with characters. So that happens and
Speaker 1: they they're touching their vibing. Then they play D d
Speaker 1: R together. Arcade is so horny? Horny is play to
Speaker 1: arcades for dates? Yeah? D d R ist hied with
Speaker 1: the classroom space presentation scene for things that made me
Speaker 1: the horny ist in the movie outside of kissing. Outside
Speaker 1: of kissing, of course, but sorry, I'm a version, so
Speaker 1: this is a difficult episode for me. Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: although I wish, I mean, I wasn't shocked because of
Speaker 1: just how any like non hetero romances treated ratings wise,
Speaker 1: But this movie was rated R How absurd is that? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like it could and they said it was because they
Speaker 1: say funk a lot, which isn't untrue. But you're like
Speaker 1: you could almost argue PG like outside of like some
Speaker 1: heavy petting, which I know that's like, but even there's
Speaker 1: been people make out in PG movies. I just was like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe this was rated R. It's ridiculous. Titanic
Speaker 1: is rated PG, and we see bear Titty is not
Speaker 1: rated PG. Sorry, not PG. There's a nipple in it.
Speaker 1: Sorry I went to SAG there's two nipples in it.
Speaker 1: There's two nipples. If anything, this movie is should be
Speaker 1: rated PG thirteen. The fact that it's rated R, I
Speaker 1: think has a lot to do with something we've talked
Speaker 1: about on the podcast before and something that is the
Speaker 1: topic of the documentary. This film is not yet rated,
Speaker 1: where oftentimes queer relationships and queer sex scenes will earn
Speaker 1: like an R or an n C seventeen rating, even
Speaker 1: though they will virtually look identical to a hetero sex scene.
Speaker 1: But because it's like it's yeah, it's it's just like
Speaker 1: straight up homophobic, like I'm just kidding, I'm just kiddea.
Speaker 1: And then it's also it's like and the fall out
Speaker 1: of that is it just like limits who can see
Speaker 1: people's access to the movie and distribution and all that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, it's it's just simply not narrated movie,
Speaker 1: not even a little bit. Okay, So they're at the
Speaker 1: end of their little soccer game slash d DR date
Speaker 1: and Rachel almost kisses Loose, but Rachel pulls away at
Speaker 1: the last minute and then goes inside in front of
Speaker 1: her house. Yeah, yes here, So Lose doesn't say hey,
Speaker 1: did you just try to kiss me in a way
Speaker 1: that if someone had done that to me, I would
Speaker 1: be like, hey, did you just killing your brave? Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. I would have been like, what, sorry, Sorry,
Speaker 1: I got in my face, got in the way your face.
Speaker 1: I actually really shouldn't even be here because I've never
Speaker 1: had sex before me showing up anywhere. They almost kiss,
Speaker 1: but then they don't, and then Rachel tries to have
Speaker 1: sex with Heck in a park I think, to like
Speaker 1: liven up their sex life, but it doesn't pan out.
Speaker 1: What was going on in that scene? That scene was
Speaker 1: so bizarre and also like excessively British. What ah, Papa,
Speaker 1: I don't papa, Pia really really confused me there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they encounter to game men are two queer men
Speaker 1: who are also having sex in a park. I have
Speaker 1: the same first name, and they're dressed identically enough, and
Speaker 1: I get that there's like a that is a thing,
Speaker 1: and that there's like a historical president for game and
Speaker 1: having sex in a place like a park. But it
Speaker 1: just felt like it was like making a weird joke
Speaker 1: of everything. And then right that whole scene was so
Speaker 1: bizarre and like polite and sexless that you're just like,
Speaker 1: what am I watching? It reads very weird. Why they
Speaker 1: dress the men in the same outfit, the same brown sweater.
Speaker 1: It was like, I don't know, Tweedlede energy to in
Speaker 1: the costuming department that day, not sure what was happening.
Speaker 1: They're like, we ran out of scarfs. We used up
Speaker 1: all the scarves on the characters. We're going to give
Speaker 1: them matching scarfs as well, but unfortunately Lena Hetty is
Speaker 1: only wearing scarfs today, so we're fresh out. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So then Rachel goes to Loose's flower shop and she's like,
Speaker 1: whatever is happening between us, it has to stop, and
Speaker 1: so she tries to end things. But then two seconds
Speaker 1: later she comes back and kisses Loose and they're making
Speaker 1: out and it's getting steamy and we see that close her.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I disliked how I don't know. This movie
Speaker 1: is so British even the it's it's as British as
Speaker 1: Piper Parabo is not um. I was wondering, and I
Speaker 1: want to hear what are like English listeners think about
Speaker 1: her accent in this movie. I can't tell how good
Speaker 1: of a job she's doing. What didn't like bother me?
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like we're not purveyors of the accent.
Speaker 1: But I liked when Lena Hetty was like, I have
Speaker 1: thhoned in my bum. You're like, wow, what a British
Speaker 1: way to say. True. Okay, so they're making out. It's
Speaker 1: getting steamy, but then Heck comes in and Rachel hides
Speaker 1: in the back and overhears Heck telling Loose his concerns
Speaker 1: about how he's doing something wrong in his relationship, which
Speaker 1: makes Rachel feel super guilty that she's not being honest
Speaker 1: with him, so she runs off. And it also is
Speaker 1: bizarre because Heck does not know Lose very well, and
Speaker 1: here he is in the flower shop saying, I think
Speaker 1: my marriage is falling apart. What do you think They're
Speaker 1: putting a lot of pressure truly? Yeah, for someone that
Speaker 1: they just like forced into a French like, it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like their friendship happens organically at all. It's very bizarre.
Speaker 1: So Rachel runs off and Loose chases after her, and
Speaker 1: Rachel's like, I can't do this, So they kind of
Speaker 1: say goodbye and part ways. We see Rachel being bummed
Speaker 1: about this. We see Loose being bummed about this. Heck
Speaker 1: is having a bad time at work. He quits his job.
Speaker 1: Everyone's having their low point one point seven. He was crying.
Speaker 1: He's like, you liar, and I lied to quit. What
Speaker 1: are you? Like? What are you doing on the phone?
Speaker 1: He's like, I bet it's something really fucked up? Maybe okay.
Speaker 1: In my headcanon, Rachel is solving the Zodiac killer case. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: her husband is on the phone with the Zodiac killer,
Speaker 1: bargaining with him being his accomplice. Whoa people killed? He's negotiating,
Speaker 1: he's agociating it down. This is how many you can
Speaker 1: get away with? Point six. I love this. This is
Speaker 1: let's keep it going. Let's talking about this for another
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. Yeah, okay, so everyone's having their low point.
Speaker 1: Loose confides in her mom about Rachel. Rachel talks to
Speaker 1: Heck about how she has fallen for someone else, but
Speaker 1: she plans to stay with him because he is her
Speaker 1: best friend. But then Coop shows up at Loose's flower
Speaker 1: shop and confronts her about meddling in Rachel and Hex's relationship,
Speaker 1: and he calls her, I think a dumb slut. So
Speaker 1: we think that's awesome. Rachel finds out that Loose is
Speaker 1: going on a long holiday through Henrietta, who is on
Speaker 1: the phone with Luce. Right. What it's like that that
Speaker 1: child has one of those phones that can only dial
Speaker 1: out to the police and the parents phone number, but
Speaker 1: instead it's the police and Loose and Louse. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't hate it. Okay, so so sorry, it's just
Speaker 1: sinking in for me. Uh, we're really coining a lot
Speaker 1: of phrases today due to our lack of access to reality.
Speaker 1: We're doing so well. I think we're doing great. So
Speaker 1: Rachel learned this about Loose, that she's going away on holiday,
Speaker 1: and then that like prompts Heck to be like, I
Speaker 1: can't do this. I'm leaving. I'm not going to stand
Speaker 1: in the way of your chance to be happy with
Speaker 1: someone else, Rachel. So she's like, okay, cool, and then
Speaker 1: her parents are like what's going on? And Rachel is like,
Speaker 1: I'm in love with Luce, but I don't think anything's
Speaker 1: going to happen, and Rachel's dad is like, well, you
Speaker 1: should go after her, So they all pile in the
Speaker 1: car and go to Loose's flower shop, but Luse's mom
Speaker 1: is like, she's not here, but let's go get her.
Speaker 1: So then they get back in the car and try
Speaker 1: to intercept Loose on her way to the airport were
Speaker 1: question mark not really sure, but they're all stuck in traffic,
Speaker 1: including Loose in her taxi. So then Rachel calls Loose
Speaker 1: on the phone and realizes she's nearby because she hears
Speaker 1: a cyclist singing imagine me and you so happy. She
Speaker 1: hears that on Loose's end of the phone, and then
Speaker 1: she actually hears the cyclist singing a few seconds later
Speaker 1: as he passes, so Rachel's like, oh my gosh, she's nearby.
Speaker 1: So she gets on the roof of the car and
Speaker 1: yells out really loudly, just like Loose taught her in
Speaker 1: the diaphragm scene, where she's like, use your diaphragm to
Speaker 1: yell and Loose here's it, and gets out of the
Speaker 1: taxi and then they run toward each other and they
Speaker 1: kiss on the street. I just thought about how funny
Speaker 1: it would be if instead of your winker number nine,
Speaker 1: that Rachel just did the horn foghorn. Just okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead, it's good. It's good. Um. So they kissed
Speaker 1: on the street. And then as the credits roll, we
Speaker 1: see Heck traveling and he meets another woman. We see Coop,
Speaker 1: who has apparently settled down and had a baby. We
Speaker 1: see Rachel and Louse and they are so happy together.
Speaker 1: And that's the story. So let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: And I'm so sorry to interrupt your singing, Sammy, but
Speaker 1: we do have to leave immediately and go to a
Speaker 1: break and we'll be right back, and we're back due.
Speaker 1: When they played that song in Freaky Friday, but they
Speaker 1: turned it into a rock song, I don't remember that
Speaker 1: seeing a few bars, if you will, okay, Instead of
Speaker 1: imagine me I do, it sounded more like imagine me
Speaker 1: and you. I do you know like rock music. Oh,
Speaker 1: if you've heard that version of the song, I did
Speaker 1: a pretty good job imagine me and you. I think
Speaker 1: about you every day. Are nine. It's only right to
Speaker 1: think about the girl you. Oh there die so happy
Speaker 1: to get beautiful. And then the guys in the background.
Speaker 1: You're like, Oh, it's good, alright, So shall we talk
Speaker 1: about this movie thoughts. This movie, which is I think
Speaker 1: it is called Click Click Imagine Her and her. My
Speaker 1: first thought on this movie was that there is a
Speaker 1: hot dog representation is almost confusingly high. Um do. Only
Speaker 1: thing we know about Rachel's father is that he loves
Speaker 1: his family and but not his not his wife, his wife.
Speaker 1: Not his wife, hates his wife right until the until
Speaker 1: at the end where he's like, actually they hate each other.
Speaker 1: They hate each other here. But he does love hot dogs.
Speaker 1: He loves hot dogs. That's the thing that he loves purely.
Speaker 1: He can't love his daughter if he thinks about the
Speaker 1: fact that she's most likely not a virgin. That makes
Speaker 1: him sick. Yeah, what did he say? He said, I
Speaker 1: can't talk about my daughter because all I can think
Speaker 1: about is you putting your hand in my daughter or
Speaker 1: something like that. Very weird. It was something like, is
Speaker 1: that something people? I mean, not to mention your parents,
Speaker 1: but is that like something that people even that just
Speaker 1: wouldn't be my go to phrase to even express that thought.
Speaker 1: What if he's like, get your hot dog out of
Speaker 1: my daughter, get your hot dog out of my m Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't need to con tinue the sentence. No do
Speaker 1: it um Okay. So this is a queer rom com
Speaker 1: from two thousand five. I'm not going to say a
Speaker 1: qualm con qualm call uh. And it was written and
Speaker 1: directed by a man. I don't know exactly what his
Speaker 1: sexuality is, but he is married to a woman and
Speaker 1: that's all we know. So I can't I don't want to,
Speaker 1: you know, make any assumptions here, but it's a movie
Speaker 1: from two thousand five, meaning it could go a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. I was like, there's probably some very dated
Speaker 1: things here. There's probably some like weird trophy things happening,
Speaker 1: and there are, but there are also a lot of
Speaker 1: things that I was pleasantly surprised by. Again, not knowing
Speaker 1: really anything about the movie before watching it to prep
Speaker 1: for this episode, and knowing some of the existing kind
Speaker 1: of tropes and context surrounding lesbian movies, I was pleasantly surprised.
Speaker 1: It is a movie set in contemporary times, so it's
Speaker 1: not a period drama. It isn't tragedy porn the way
Speaker 1: that a lot of again, you know, like mainstream lesbian
Speaker 1: films have been in the past few years, there's a
Speaker 1: happy ending where the lesbian lovers get together at the
Speaker 1: end and presumably stayed together, and they're like generally accepted
Speaker 1: by all their friends and family. I mean there are
Speaker 1: I feel like Coope and Rachel's mom are the most
Speaker 1: problematic unless I'm missing someone, but they seem to be
Speaker 1: the most problematic about the relationship. Yeah, for Coop, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, being the worst offender by far, because he
Speaker 1: was like I just saw Jeelie and you won't believe
Speaker 1: you know, the lies I believe. But but yeah, generally
Speaker 1: like accepted and and and so happy together. One could
Speaker 1: even say, or the way I choose to say it,
Speaker 1: which is so happy to do. But yeah, that that
Speaker 1: is something. Because of the like time and place where
Speaker 1: they are, we don't have to see the characters deal
Speaker 1: with extreme rampant homophobia. Of course, there are micro and
Speaker 1: macro aggressions against them from particular characters, but by and large,
Speaker 1: people are accepting them. Although you do have like all
Speaker 1: those weird moments of like Heck outing loose to everyone
Speaker 1: he's ever met. There's there's weird things like that going on,
Speaker 1: but it's I guess not the worst example I've seen
Speaker 1: also it might not be fair to call Loose and
Speaker 1: Rachel lesbian lovers because it's entirely possible that Rachel is bisexual. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of I'm curious whatever with that. I kind
Speaker 1: of appreciated that that was, like because I know that
Speaker 1: like public discourse in two thousand five, always as my
Speaker 1: child self was aware of it, is like the conversation
Speaker 1: around bisexuality was basically non existent, and so I thought
Speaker 1: that there would be very like dated trophy like pick
Speaker 1: a side kind of conversation surrounding Rachel, and I kind
Speaker 1: of appreciate I mean, for the time it came out
Speaker 1: that that wasn't a big discussion and that wasn't something
Speaker 1: that was like like it wasn't I guess it was
Speaker 1: like it just like wasn't called into questions like whether
Speaker 1: she had ever loved or been attracted to her husband,
Speaker 1: which I don't know. I thought it was, like, I
Speaker 1: just I wasn't expecting that move for a movie that
Speaker 1: came out in two five. Yeah. Yeah, I really appreciate
Speaker 1: that they didn't, like they didn't lean into stare areotypes
Speaker 1: to make it like palatable for the straight audience either,
Speaker 1: like they didn't like, Oh, Louis is a lesbian, so
Speaker 1: here are these lesbian things she definitely does because she's
Speaker 1: a lesbian straits. It was nice. Sure. I was also
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised that Loose when you meet her, is already
Speaker 1: and out lesbian, because a lot of times I think
Speaker 1: a trope in queer romance stories is and like not
Speaker 1: to discredit or like invalidate people discovering themselves and you know,
Speaker 1: questioning and you know, discovering their sexuality, because of course
Speaker 1: that is completely valid and an authentic experience for many people.
Speaker 1: But I know that there is a frustration about a
Speaker 1: lot of queer cinema that many queer characters are not
Speaker 1: already out and living their queer lives, and the representation
Speaker 1: excused pretty heavily on characters who are in the closet
Speaker 1: and or who haven't come out yet at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the movie, and a lot of movies focus on
Speaker 1: coming out stories, which I guess this movie sort of
Speaker 1: does with Rachel's character. But I just appreciate that Luce
Speaker 1: is already out. Yeah, she's like out to her mom,
Speaker 1: no problem, Like, it's just it's a very chill environment.
Speaker 1: Her mom's just like, get out there in Date, and
Speaker 1: then Lena Hetty's like you get out there in Date,
Speaker 1: and then they both do the end, the end. I
Speaker 1: was surprised that we see women kissing each other on
Speaker 1: screen multiple times, especially because again another cinematic convention you see,
Speaker 1: especially in movies of this era with queer characters. Maybe
Speaker 1: the characters were allowed to be out, but often they
Speaker 1: wouldn't have any kind of romance or romantic partner, and
Speaker 1: if they did, we were also not allowed We were
Speaker 1: not allowed to actually see them kiss or be physically
Speaker 1: intimate in any way. So the fact that this movie
Speaker 1: and it would be absolutely ridiculous if they weren't allowed
Speaker 1: to because like rom coms have people kissing. That's one
Speaker 1: of the conventions of the genre, and it shouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprising that this happens. But because of the precedent that
Speaker 1: had been set of queer characters not being allowed to
Speaker 1: show physical intimacy on screen, I found myself surprised that
Speaker 1: again in a movie from two thousand five, we actually
Speaker 1: see them kissing on screen. I am I went back
Speaker 1: and watched some of the like DVD extras and like
Speaker 1: press junkets from this movie because I was just curious
Speaker 1: of because, as far as I know, Piper Parabout and
Speaker 1: Lena Hetty are both straight actors as far as we know,
Speaker 1: and certainly at this time they were very publicly publicly straight.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a better way to say that. But
Speaker 1: but I wanted to watch interviews with them, and something
Speaker 1: that didn't occur to me that came up in every
Speaker 1: single interview was this movie came out the same year
Speaker 1: as Brokeback Mountain. In Brokeback Mountain comes up in every
Speaker 1: single interview, and they're very annoyed by it. Where I
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, I think it's like to me,
Speaker 1: it almost spoke to like how little queer cinema there
Speaker 1: was in like a I guess because because this movie
Speaker 1: was not huge, Brokeback Mountain was huge. Um, but in everything,
Speaker 1: they're like, why don't you have as much sex in
Speaker 1: this movie as they have in Brokeback Mountain. They're kind
Speaker 1: of like, it's a different genre, Like rom coms are
Speaker 1: usually pretty sexless. So yeah, I thought that this this
Speaker 1: had about the amount of sex and kissing that your
Speaker 1: average rom com does, and possibly slightly more because they
Speaker 1: kissed more than one time, right, right, because normally in
Speaker 1: a a hetero rom com they don't kiss until the
Speaker 1: very end. It depends on the story, of course, but
Speaker 1: like that's pretty standard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just it
Speaker 1: connect for me that this was like the year of
Speaker 1: Brokeback Mountain, and Brokeback Mountain comes up as if it
Speaker 1: were the only other queer movie to ever exist, and
Speaker 1: Lena Hetty and Piper parable just kind of don't know
Speaker 1: what to do with the question. They're like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a round com. We're friends. We met on the cave
Speaker 1: and but another thing, and we were talking about this
Speaker 1: a little bit, Sammy, when you and I watched part
Speaker 1: of this movie together together unhappily on what Okay, I'm joking.
Speaker 1: You brought up that the movie tends to avoid the
Speaker 1: predatory lesbian trope. I don't know what to make of
Speaker 1: the soccer game slash yelling slash diaphragm scene because there
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I tend to agree that that
Speaker 1: the movie does tend to avoid the trope. But I
Speaker 1: feel like the diaphragm scene isn't like if they were
Speaker 1: going to lean into the predator lesbian trope, Luce would
Speaker 1: essentially be coope like it's that sure, not like because
Speaker 1: I feel like the diaphram thing, like as I guess,
Speaker 1: as we were about Loose touching Rachel where she did,
Speaker 1: I'm stuttering because I'm horny about it. Um we you
Speaker 1: me horn um. Like they didn't shoot it in a
Speaker 1: way where it seemed like Loose was doing it for
Speaker 1: the reason of just touching all over her new married friend, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Rachel is like, we'll put both of your
Speaker 1: hands on me. Yeah that or like, oh, Rachel, but
Speaker 1: it should be as I don't know, I mean, it
Speaker 1: is the spitla of my scene of the movie and Jamie,
Speaker 1: as you just said, put your hands on me, Loose loose,
Speaker 1: I felt like, yeah for that, I mean, I definitely
Speaker 1: think that that's a very two thousand five e and all,
Speaker 1: But it felt more like a rom com thing that
Speaker 1: like that would have happened in a rom comm in
Speaker 1: two thousand five, regardless of the gender of true the
Speaker 1: people involved, Like you could see Hugh Grant doing that
Speaker 1: in two thousand five in a rom com easily of
Speaker 1: just like you know, he probably does it in notting
Speaker 1: Hill for all I know. Yeah, I the diaphragm thing
Speaker 1: felt like a rom com issue more so than a
Speaker 1: predatory lesbian trope in my opinion. Yeah, I see that,
Speaker 1: and like it's not even though that. You know, you
Speaker 1: watch this movie and you're like, Wow, let's congratulate the
Speaker 1: movie for avoiding what should just be of avoided in
Speaker 1: a narrative. But at the same time, because so many
Speaker 1: harmful tropes have been established, I still couldn't help but
Speaker 1: be again pleasantly surprised by what the movie does that's
Speaker 1: positive and avoids that is negative. That said, there's stuff
Speaker 1: that it leans into that is negative. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: guess my point is like, oh, there's really cool stuff
Speaker 1: that happens in this movie that I think make it
Speaker 1: watchable even to this day. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this feels this feels like it just it's a bit
Speaker 1: diff a weird one because it's like, there's certainly, like
Speaker 1: way better movies about women in love than this one.
Speaker 1: A lot of the ones that are much better are
Speaker 1: made by queer women. We've covered some of them on
Speaker 1: this show. I feel like Papa Pia is kind of
Speaker 1: showing the Papa Pianist of it all in certain scenes
Speaker 1: and exchanges. Um, and then it also kind of feels
Speaker 1: like we've talked about this kind of thing that tends
Speaker 1: to happen on the show all the time of just
Speaker 1: sort of like this weird half step of progress where
Speaker 1: it's like this was a like wide international release with
Speaker 1: big movie stars, but it was like written and directed
Speaker 1: by a straight guy. But it almost felt like this
Speaker 1: movie like deviates so little from the romcom formula that
Speaker 1: it feels like, I don't know, I would be curious of,
Speaker 1: like how if if it's already considered at this time
Speaker 1: so unusual to have a queer relationship at the center
Speaker 1: of a like widely released movie, Like how far are
Speaker 1: you going to deviate from the formula if that movie
Speaker 1: is even going to get made, you know, which I
Speaker 1: have kind of conflicting thoughts about, because on one hand,
Speaker 1: this movie was not reviewed favorably. I think it has
Speaker 1: like a thirty five percent on Rotten Tomatoes, and the
Speaker 1: consensus seems to be that, Yeah, despite it subverting the
Speaker 1: kind of expected narrative of this being a queer story
Speaker 1: rather than a hetero story, which is what most mainstream
Speaker 1: rom coms feature, this is still an extremely predictable trophy
Speaker 1: corny rom com. And while that is true, part of
Speaker 1: me is like, well, queer people deserve corny rom coms
Speaker 1: to yeah. But on the other hand, it felt to
Speaker 1: me partially and I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on this,
Speaker 1: but there's still so much heterosexuality in this movie, and
Speaker 1: it felt to me as though this is a movie
Speaker 1: that's like written by a straight guy mostly for straight people,
Speaker 1: because of different story choices that were made and what
Speaker 1: the movie focuses on a lot, which is like way
Speaker 1: too much of because like there's all these subplots or
Speaker 1: like narrative through lines where we get focused on Rachel's
Speaker 1: mom and dad and they're failing and then reblossoming relationship,
Speaker 1: we get Rachel's little sister and her little boyfriend. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I mean that's like a whole separate issue.
Speaker 1: Why are we having the music swell growth? I have
Speaker 1: that in my notes my sentences. Music's music swell for children?
Speaker 1: Question mark Why it seemed to seemed to swell absurdly
Speaker 1: loudly too? I was like, I was like, oh my god, sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: And weird grooming, Yeah, it's weird. Good job, Papa Papa Boom.
Speaker 1: We see Coop trying to fuck a bunch of women.
Speaker 1: We see Beth Rachel's friend trying to find a boyfriend. Basically,
Speaker 1: I just wish that there were more queer movies where
Speaker 1: more of the characters are queer and it's not just
Speaker 1: like two queer women hanging out with thousands of straight people.
Speaker 1: That is an ask that would have over extended old
Speaker 1: Papa Pia, and I feel like he would have mishandled
Speaker 1: any more queer characters. Certainly, Papapia is like, I can
Speaker 1: truly just handle to one legend a half if you
Speaker 1: consider loses friend Dye, a character which he seems to
Speaker 1: about halfway right, yes, one point three one point four two.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile you get a whole scene of whatever the funk
Speaker 1: that is uh boring a piece I android on. This
Speaker 1: was written by friend of the show, Princess Weeks. Princess
Speaker 1: wrote about this movie for The Mary Suit earlier this
Speaker 1: or last year, so I wanted to share what her
Speaker 1: thoughts were a little bit. She's saying stuff like this quote.
Speaker 1: Neither Rachel nor lewis pursued the other. They just keep
Speaker 1: getting pulled in each other's way. And while loose being
Speaker 1: gay is addressed early on, it's not seen as an issue,
Speaker 1: which is great. I felt a lot more joy in
Speaker 1: watching this film because while the cheating element isn't great,
Speaker 1: it was nice seeing it not be either a traditional
Speaker 1: coming out story or inherently a gay angst story. Just
Speaker 1: a love connection with bad timing that ends up working
Speaker 1: out without turning anyone into a bad person unquote, which
Speaker 1: I do think is like a strength of this movie,
Speaker 1: because it's like, Heck, I think a lot of Heck
Speaker 1: behavior is unacceptable. The fact that he compulsively outs loose
Speaker 1: at every opportunity is pretty egregious, but in the general
Speaker 1: sense I did because I feel like it's such a
Speaker 1: rom com. One of the tropes that's avoided in this
Speaker 1: movie is like there's always like the third party is
Speaker 1: made out to be like horrible, evil, irredeemable cal Hockley,
Speaker 1: if you will, the cal Hockley of the situation, and Heck,
Speaker 1: while he certainly has issues and like has behavior that
Speaker 1: is not acceptable, is not like a bad person and
Speaker 1: is also I thought like it was cool that they
Speaker 1: didn't make him out to be a villain because then
Speaker 1: you get to see him like realize that his wife
Speaker 1: is in love with luc and except that his wife
Speaker 1: um but I thought it was nice that he like,
Speaker 1: obviously it's very painful for your wife to leave you
Speaker 1: for anybody. But but he's just like, you know, he
Speaker 1: accepts it. He doesn't lash out in a villainous fashion.
Speaker 1: And uh, that's I like, even for any rom com,
Speaker 1: that's unusual. But I thought it worked really well here.
Speaker 1: Instead we have Coop lashing out and being like you
Speaker 1: filthy slut. Something is wrong with Coop and we're like, Coop,
Speaker 1: why are you even in this movie? Get out of here?
Speaker 1: No one likes you. He doesn't do anything. The boy
Speaker 1: ain't right. Yeah, Luce could have had those conversations that
Speaker 1: she had with Cooper with h if they really wanted
Speaker 1: them to be friends. Are they eat like right? What
Speaker 1: would have worked better for me is if so when
Speaker 1: Cooper meets Loose at the wedding and he he fancies her,
Speaker 1: if he goes to Rachel then and it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you try to set me up with the flower lady?
Speaker 1: Can you like get us all together for dinner and
Speaker 1: try to set this up? And then Rachel's more than
Speaker 1: happy to extend this invitation because she either consciously or
Speaker 1: subconsciously wants to spend more time with Loose and then
Speaker 1: that's why they have that dinner scene with the match
Speaker 1: making attempt. That's not even necessarily like a a Bectel
Speaker 1: cast thing that just like would make more narrative sense
Speaker 1: to me. But anyway, I think we need to spend
Speaker 1: any more time trying to make Cooper makes sense, right, No,
Speaker 1: we just have to accept the fact that that the
Speaker 1: trash character Papa Pia, you know, examine yourself. It's but
Speaker 1: it's also like to me, Rachel's character not making sense
Speaker 1: unless I guess you could read it that like she
Speaker 1: extends this invitation and is trying to do this matchmaking
Speaker 1: because she's also just subconsciously trying to spend more time
Speaker 1: with Luce and it could just be under the guise
Speaker 1: of trying to match make, but really she's just like
Speaker 1: I want to be near her, so I think that's
Speaker 1: entirely possible. Anyway. Moving on, Like most rom coms, even
Speaker 1: once set in large cities with diverse populations, uh, this
Speaker 1: is very white movie, Rachel has what feels like a
Speaker 1: token black friend, Zena played by Vanette Robinson. Of Rachel's
Speaker 1: two friends her and Beth, Zena is the one without
Speaker 1: a little subplot because the other friend, the white woman,
Speaker 1: gets more screen time. She gets a little subplot where
Speaker 1: she's trying to find a boyfriend. We just get to
Speaker 1: know that character better. The one black character in the
Speaker 1: movie is like sidelined to the extreme, and I hated it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think her most notable moment was the scene in
Speaker 1: the bathroom where they were talking about, um, if they
Speaker 1: had ever considered dating women before, and that is like
Speaker 1: that was her little showcase moment. I thought it was
Speaker 1: like a fun moment for the five. But yeah, we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't know anything about her and this movie. I mean,
Speaker 1: as with most round comps, it's very white, and it
Speaker 1: also takes place in just like generally the upper classes
Speaker 1: upper you know, you saw their flat. They have a
Speaker 1: spiral staircase in their flat, which is with like roof
Speaker 1: access simply impractical. Okay, not practical. Heck can afford it
Speaker 1: because he day trades crypto or whatever. The fun. Oh
Speaker 1: he's got forty one point six, He's he's set for life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's fine. He's going to get a bonus the size
Speaker 1: of his boss's naus. It's implies. I was like, I
Speaker 1: really hate business dialogue in movies. It's so gross. Um,
Speaker 1: you see a David ma'am at play one time and
Speaker 1: then you just write ship like that down. It's disgusting,
Speaker 1: glaze over. Is there any other stuff? Yeah? Other thoughts, Caitlin,
Speaker 1: Do you have more things or can I get at
Speaker 1: it please? Okay, great, here's some things in my notes
Speaker 1: that we didn't touch on. Going back to the bathroom scene.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard crossed the street as
Speaker 1: a euphemism for being gay, which is fun British. When
Speaker 1: Rachel goes, have you ever crossed the street, which is like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's nice, I'll use that. Um. And then when Rachel
Speaker 1: was talking to Heck after exposing her gayness to him,
Speaker 1: her line of you're my best friend. That was enough
Speaker 1: before and we'll be enough again that that is a terrible,
Speaker 1: non comforting thing to hear from your new wife. And
Speaker 1: if that is how you felt in the relationship before,
Speaker 1: you probably shouldn't have been married anyway. Precisely, we already
Speaker 1: talked about I should have married you, which is what
Speaker 1: Hex said to a nine year old child. That is
Speaker 1: so so bad, believably weird. It was giving a little
Speaker 1: women Amien Lorie energy except that actually happens in Little Away.
Speaker 1: Um okay, and then some horny, some horny moments between
Speaker 1: Rachel and Loose after the Arcade dates when they're talking
Speaker 1: about flowers and Loose is like, you don't want to
Speaker 1: hear about lilies, and Rachel's like, no, tell me about lilies,
Speaker 1: and this is like okay, they mean, I dare you
Speaker 1: to love me. And then Loose makes eye contact and
Speaker 1: then steps away of that is that is so horny?
Speaker 1: What a horny move. I loved it so much, very good,
Speaker 1: very gay, quite horny about it. And then um, when
Speaker 1: they're when they're breaking up in the park and Lucy's like,
Speaker 1: don't forget me, and Rachel says, I won't remember anything
Speaker 1: else also just fucked me right up again. Those scenes,
Speaker 1: the scenes between the two of them gorgeous, even though
Speaker 1: I think that Rachel's character is like kind of blah
Speaker 1: and like a little under characterized. I mean, she's a
Speaker 1: straight woman, true, Sorry but sorry. Why are they drawn
Speaker 1: to each other besides the fact that they are both
Speaker 1: attractive and near each other? This is a thing that
Speaker 1: I take issue with. Baby Can and Baby You're sexy
Speaker 1: and life Cannon to build a life together, bros. That's true.
Speaker 1: There are just a lot of sexy people that you're
Speaker 1: just like, I'm this isn't a conversation kind of relationship,
Speaker 1: and well that's good for them, trust me with my
Speaker 1: horny time. I know. But when i'm if, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get into a relation, like a long term, meaningful
Speaker 1: companionship with someone so hot you wouldn't even need to
Speaker 1: talk to anybody of I don't have to imagine. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: We make our living talking without being seen. We have
Speaker 1: the opposite problem. Despite all that, though, I did really
Speaker 1: enjoy their scenes together and honestly wish there were more
Speaker 1: of them, but instead, too much real estate in the
Speaker 1: movie is dedicated to watching Heck at his job, scenes
Speaker 1: between Coope and Loose, in which he is being a
Speaker 1: disgusting creep, scenes where Henrietta is best friends with a
Speaker 1: hundred different adults like I just wish there had been
Speaker 1: a little bit more emphasis on the queer relationship and
Speaker 1: seeing that heighten and develop again to watch Imagine Me
Speaker 1: and two the Rise of grou Oh. Heck, if this
Speaker 1: movie was like really really bad, like you call it,
Speaker 1: imagine pee and pooh, we're really doing this yeah, Sammy,
Speaker 1: do you have more things? Did you read the Roger
Speaker 1: Ebert I'm I'm I'm teeing it up right now. So
Speaker 1: once we decided that Imagine Me and You was going
Speaker 1: to be the movie we covered, I googled it, as
Speaker 1: one does, and I saw that there was a review
Speaker 1: from www dot Roger Ebert dot com from two thousand
Speaker 1: and six, And in the Google search you see a
Speaker 1: little bit of a sentence. So the sentence is this,
Speaker 1: this movie is basically gay propaganda. The basis is that
Speaker 1: she is leaving a happy relationship with a man she
Speaker 1: has known for ages and is a good dot dot dot,
Speaker 1: which is a pretty strong accusation. Strong accusation. Look, yeah,
Speaker 1: I clicked. I was like, I have to make sure
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that he's saying all this is a pejorative,
Speaker 1: But what if he wasn't right? But he was. He
Speaker 1: did not like the movie. He didn't like the movie,
Speaker 1: but then at the end he was like at the end,
Speaker 1: he kind of implies that it's because it's his second
Speaker 1: like he liked a movie where hyper parable plays a
Speaker 1: gay character better. Like he's like, I like the other
Speaker 1: parable lesbian movie better. And then you're like jeez. Okay,
Speaker 1: Oh no, he was talking about another Oh yeah, was
Speaker 1: he Yeah, that's what he Yes, he was like she
Speaker 1: was probably thinking about how much better that movie was
Speaker 1: the whole time she was shooting this movie. But he's
Speaker 1: just a mess. Right. Here's what made me me eyebrows
Speaker 1: raise is that that's specific sentence in the snapshot of
Speaker 1: the article or review, not in the not in the
Speaker 1: review once you click on it. So was it? So
Speaker 1: where does it come from? It was scrubbed? Oh so
Speaker 1: we'll never know the rest of that sentence. Wait, so
Speaker 1: it was it originally published with that sentence in it,
Speaker 1: but then they like edited it out later on. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure because I couldn't find it anywhere else, right,
Speaker 1: because I started. I tried to search for it too
Speaker 1: once you had mentioned that, and then I couldn't find
Speaker 1: it anywhere. So yeah, naughty boy Roger, naughty boy Roger.
Speaker 1: We'll have to call him in hell where he lives
Speaker 1: now there. Sorry, I just like to mention that Roger
Speaker 1: Effort could be in hell if you believe in that
Speaker 1: sort of thing. Sure, sure, yeah, I mean he maybe
Speaker 1: he's in heck. It like the character's na um. Here's
Speaker 1: a few things um Loose fat shames one of her customers.
Speaker 1: Loose calls her love interest shrill Heck keeps talking about
Speaker 1: how he could make jam and I'm like, excuse me,
Speaker 1: don't you mean marmalade. We're in Paddington Territory here? Okay,
Speaker 1: this is England, this is London. You mean marmalade? Have
Speaker 1: I heard of it? Um? I felt as though there
Speaker 1: was like we talked a little bit about Rachel's parents
Speaker 1: and that relationship, how they hate each other, but then
Speaker 1: at the very end they decided to rekindle. In the case,
Speaker 1: it felt to me as though we had like a
Speaker 1: shrewish mom trope happening with Rachel's mom. But then that
Speaker 1: was also kind of like offset by Loose having a
Speaker 1: cool mom so so much she fucks What else? I
Speaker 1: feel like the part where Rachel almost kisses Loose after
Speaker 1: they play DDR was a surprise kiss, but then it
Speaker 1: didn't get followed through on, which I feel like we
Speaker 1: haven't seen where like a surprise kiss doesn't happen all
Speaker 1: the way. Surprise kisses just mean like nobody's asking can
Speaker 1: I kiss you? Right, It's just like you know, you
Speaker 1: kind of lunge at someone and kiss them without checking
Speaker 1: in to see if they want to be kiss I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: was there a lunge in that one? I feel like
Speaker 1: that was a vibe, that was a vibe it could yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like that that that one
Speaker 1: passed the vibe check for me. I think I feel
Speaker 1: like they were tiptoeing towards each other. Maybe I maybe
Speaker 1: I'm just obsessed with people. No one, No one does
Speaker 1: my line, my horny pickup line, which is should we kiss?
Speaker 1: And that way it's very explicitly put out there. Thank you.
Speaker 1: So whenever people don't say that and don't get all
Speaker 1: of that verbal confirmation, see, I do something that's not sexy.
Speaker 1: I say what the kids saying, oh cool? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I asked if do you want to kiss? And then
Speaker 1: after minutes of me being very very nervous, I'll say, okay,
Speaker 1: here I come, so we're all doing great. I also
Speaker 1: do like you know, when like a parent is like
Speaker 1: feeding their kid a spoonful of thing and it's like
Speaker 1: an airplane. I sort of do that too. I'm mike, here,
Speaker 1: I come, is it with your head? Yeah? I'm like swiveling. Uh.
Speaker 1: Sammy wins that that's pretty good. Um, I think that's
Speaker 1: really all I had. Yeah, I had Coyote, I said,
Speaker 1: I said, more like Coyote British. More like Rachel getting
Speaker 1: unmarried and the night that's that's actually a really good joke, Jamie,
Speaker 1: thank you. Wow, don't sound so surprised. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: comparing to Coyote Britain from the from the joke, writer
Speaker 1: who wrote Coyote Britain calls this a joke that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Oh good, that's all I have. That's all I have, Yes, Sammy,
Speaker 1: do anything else you'd like to share? Yeah? I really
Speaker 1: don't like that. D d R is again misrepresented in
Speaker 1: the movie. They're not playing, they're not actively playing the game.
Speaker 1: Can touch happens a lot, and it's very frustrating as
Speaker 1: a a DDR self DDR champion champion does me. It's
Speaker 1: also funny when people in movies managed to make DDR
Speaker 1: look sexy, because it's like, it's not to say it's
Speaker 1: not sexy, but it's not like backup dancers sexy. It's
Speaker 1: like DDR is really sexy if you wanted to see
Speaker 1: someone move their feet really quickly and while their upper
Speaker 1: half is essentially not moving at all, it's not pie
Speaker 1: prepara book gets an ash shake in there. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's not that's not how the game is played. That's
Speaker 1: not how ap plays. Also, I'll go ahead and say
Speaker 1: that d d R is not really that sexy. It
Speaker 1: is not, but it's the just the atmosphere of being
Speaker 1: in an arcade and competing with someone exactly horny d
Speaker 1: had even them ending up on a DDR machine after
Speaker 1: Louis was like, I want to go dancing. That is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: That is a ridiculous solution to that. Yes, I would
Speaker 1: be so disappointed because d d R should not be
Speaker 1: called Dance Dance Revolution. It's like Jump Jump Revolution. You're
Speaker 1: not really dancing when you play DDR. You're just sort
Speaker 1: of like stepping and hopping, like tap tap Now I'm sweating,
Speaker 1: that's the game. That's the game. But I did enjoy
Speaker 1: their connection and it felt to me as though they
Speaker 1: had pretty palpable on screen chemistry. We've we've talked about
Speaker 1: this where like developed on the side of the cave. True,
Speaker 1: but we've talked about how like sometimes in queer movies
Speaker 1: where straight actors are cast, the characters don't of any
Speaker 1: chemistry and this isn't necessarily happiest season, I feel I
Speaker 1: feel like we talked about this on the Carol episode
Speaker 1: as well, And this is not necessarily this is not
Speaker 1: specifically a heat for that one. That's true. No one
Speaker 1: can claim that there was chemistry and happiest season just
Speaker 1: canonically palpably untrue, Like did these women know each other?
Speaker 1: I mean there was, but it was between Aubrey Plaza
Speaker 1: and Christen Stewart right right. And this isn't like necessarily
Speaker 1: an issue specific to queer movies because look at Matthew
Speaker 1: McConaughey and every rom com he's in, and how little
Speaker 1: chemistry he has with any of the women. Okay, Wedding Planner,
Speaker 1: they were in love. That is so far and I
Speaker 1: refused to check my work, But this is something that
Speaker 1: we have come up upon where straight actors are cast
Speaker 1: in queer roles and they often won't have chemistry with
Speaker 1: each other. But I felt chemistry between Piper Parabow and
Speaker 1: Lena Hetty. Yeah, tell that to my pair of boner
Speaker 1: who piper pipe. There's a there's a pipe, there's a
Speaker 1: penis joke in there. Maybe just spitballing anyone. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I was following it. No, I was following it. But
Speaker 1: then I was like, that would sounds so gross to
Speaker 1: say out loud. So well, happiest season more like horny
Speaker 1: is season for Caitlin And I'm gonna make a piper
Speaker 1: joke anyway, Right, it passes the Bichtel test. Big surprise,
Speaker 1: the movie passes the Backtel test five hundred thousand times. Yes, man,
Speaker 1: it's a lot between a lot of different combinations of
Speaker 1: characters as well, moms and daughters, lovers, childs and children
Speaker 1: and adults that our best friends we don't know. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as far as our nipple scales zero to five nipples.
Speaker 1: Based on how the movie fares when looking at it
Speaker 1: through an intersectional feminist lens, ah, I guess I would
Speaker 1: give this. This is one of those sort of like
Speaker 1: split down the middle movies For me. I do think
Speaker 1: it was ahead of its time in a number of ways.
Speaker 1: I think that it holds up better than you'd expect
Speaker 1: of a two thousand five rom com about a queer
Speaker 1: relationship written and directed by a straight white guy as
Speaker 1: far as we know, but a lot of harmful tropes
Speaker 1: were avoided. Not all of them were avoided, but enough
Speaker 1: were that I feel like, you know, this is a
Speaker 1: movie to to still watch and enjoy and appreciate the
Speaker 1: relationship and appreciate that it's a queer rom calm that
Speaker 1: has a happy ending and that has a nice relationship
Speaker 1: that you can get behind. Because also, like just a
Speaker 1: convention of the romcom genre is like it's a toxic
Speaker 1: relationship where characters are lying to each other and being
Speaker 1: manipulative and being gross and creepy a lot of the time,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't happen in this movie. We just have
Speaker 1: a pretty sweet connection between two people and they make
Speaker 1: it work. So I think I'll give this three because
Speaker 1: of that. It obviously gets points off for some of
Speaker 1: the behavior of other characters that doesn't really go challenged
Speaker 1: or commented on by the movie cooop and heck outing
Speaker 1: loose all the time, That the extreme whiteness of the movie,
Speaker 1: the sidelining of the one black character. Everyone else you
Speaker 1: see on screen who as a speaking role is white.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, three nipples, and I'll give one to Rachel,
Speaker 1: I'll give one to Loose, and I'll give one to
Speaker 1: Eat because I wanted more for her character. I'll meet
Speaker 1: you three. Uh yeah, there's uh four. Its time considered,
Speaker 1: like I had to keep putting my like. It's frustrating
Speaker 1: because there are so many like better queer movies, many
Speaker 1: of them made by queer people made well before this movie.
Speaker 1: But a lot of the popular, you know, mainstream cinema,
Speaker 1: that cinema, Oh my god. Okay, okay, I have to
Speaker 1: go walk into the ocean, loser alert movies. It's called movies, okay,
Speaker 1: but yeah, a lot of movies that featured queer relationships
Speaker 1: in like mainstream releases. Literally, Geelie came out two years
Speaker 1: before that, so I think, given the era it came
Speaker 1: out in, I was pleasantly surprised that it did as
Speaker 1: many just like lovely sweet rom com things as it did.
Speaker 1: I like the relationship, I like the characters. Generally, I'm
Speaker 1: mainly docking it for extreme whiteness, Papa Pilla's choices surrounding
Speaker 1: when music should swell around children and uh and literally
Speaker 1: and literally the character coop um, So I will I'll
Speaker 1: go with three. I'll give when to loose window loses,
Speaker 1: horny horny mom, and one to the hot dog. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted to give a nipple to the scarves. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I ran out honorary mentioned to the scarfs scarves, scarves,
Speaker 1: scarves and scarves, scarves, scarfs, Sammy, what about you? Um,
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to add to y'all's reasoning, but
Speaker 1: I think the child stuff makes me incredibly uncomfortable. So
Speaker 1: it's a two and a half for me. Dog. Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: do you want to go up to a two point six?
Speaker 1: Two point seven? Two point four two point three? Are
Speaker 1: you lying to me? We're just lying? And then you
Speaker 1: hang up the phone and say I quit. I um
Speaker 1: my nipples go to loose, go to Loose's mom, and
Speaker 1: then the point five nip goes to don't forget me.
Speaker 1: I won't remember anything else. It's nice, that's happing. Good.
Speaker 1: Well give Papa Pia that m thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us once again. You are now in the
Speaker 1: three time appearance club. And for that again, the reward
Speaker 1: is a nice little hug. I can't wait to hug
Speaker 1: you both for longer than five minutes for eight dollars
Speaker 1: a piece. I was like, and you don't even need
Speaker 1: to pay me the five minutes. Divide that by it.
Speaker 1: You just give me thirty five cents, give me no money.
Speaker 1: I'm good to go. You got it. I want the
Speaker 1: full eight dollars please, you got it? Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming back. Where can people you know, check
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Speaker 1: all of that. I'm on Twitter at it underscore your
Speaker 1: why oh you are underscore? Sam, don't follow me in
Speaker 1: Instagram or what. I'm just I'm taking a break from it,
Speaker 1: and I just it feels weird when people start following
Speaker 1: me from podcasts, stuff or just like anything, and then
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm overexposed. Yeah, that's part of why
Speaker 1: I'm taking myself off. Now that's healthy. I have the
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Speaker 1: I need more people to follow me so that I
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