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Speaker 1: like finding some logic in there was like, I don't know.

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00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen this happen before. Is like

420
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: if you have a like if someone has a crush

421
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: on someone else while they're in a relationship, They're like,

422
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: I've got to pair this person off. I gotta get

423
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: this person into a relationship so they're not tempting to

424
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: me anymore. I've seen that happen in friend groups, where

425
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: it's like we need to neutralize the situation. But this

426
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: is like friends and not a florist you met for

427
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: a couple hours at your wedding. That's the other thing, right,

428
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: It's like I keep forgetting they're actually not friends, that

429
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: they don't know each other. But you wouldn't know that

430
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: based on what happens in the movie, because both Heck

431
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: and Rachel are acting as though Loose is a very

432
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: close friend of theirs, but they didn't meet until the wedding,

433
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: and Loose doesn't appear to have friends except for the

434
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: friend from the grocery store, like Loose has friends, but

435
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: only when it's plot convenient. Right. The relationships in this

436
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: movie in general, and the way they are established and

437
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: pan out, often make absolutely no sense. But the point

438
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: here is that Rachel is trying to set up Loose

439
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: with Coop, and she really hopes that Coop likes Loose.

440
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: She doesn't really care if Luke, like Loose likes Coop.

441
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: There's too many consonant sounds here. She doesn't care if

442
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: Lucy Coop, which is also like maybe this is like

443
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: a two five haircut, like men's haircut back then, we're

444
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: not very good. But they kept talking about Coop like

445
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: well who could resist? And I'm like, I'm sorry, easily

446
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 1: feel like many of us good because his personality is

447
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: also dogshit and his hair cut it looks like you

448
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: went through the Casper machine. Okay, oh that's the best

449
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: burn on the entire world burn, thank you. So that's happening.

450
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: But then also Rachel is like, yeah, I have this

451
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: feeling the Luce and I are going to be really

452
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: good friends. Were just like we're kind of soul mates,

453
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: but in a friend way, so so she reveals that

454
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: to Heck. Then Loose comes over for dinner and reveals

455
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: to Heck that she is gay, which Heck reveals to

456
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: Coop immediately everyone he's ever met so many people. But

457
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: then Coop is like, oh, well, I can switch people

458
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: from being gay to being into me fucking childish, and

459
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: he does this constantly throughout the movie as well, and

460
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: again where it's like, I'm sorry, we're supposed to be

461
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: We're supposed to find this guy compelling at all, because like,

462
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: we don't want him to get hit by a car, right.

463
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: I had to when that started coming up. I had

464
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: to remind myself how close in proximity this movie came

465
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: out to Geelie, a movie in which that is the

466
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: entire premise. Yeah, wow, so I almost forgot. Unfortunately, this

467
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: kind of rhetoric was um so tolerated in the Bush

468
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: administration years that you could make a whole movie about it.

469
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: It is true. Okay, So they're all at dinner and

470
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: everyone is discussing the idea of like love at first

471
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: sight versus falling in love with someone gradually, and they

472
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: all kind of figure out where they stand on that,

473
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: and I'm I guess this is supposed to be like, yeah,

474
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: this is the theme of the movie, but it's like

475
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: very clunky and like not very well done. Where do

476
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: we stand on this whole thing? Well, as um, someone

477
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: who's experiencing their horny ist year, I believe in horny

478
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: at first sight. Damn m what about you, Sammy. I

479
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: think it's like a it's probably a horny at first sight,

480
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: but there is like that that vibe thing that happens,

481
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: uh sometimes with like with Rachel and Luis, which is like,

482
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: oh fuck, now the rest of my day and possibly

483
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: weak is ruined because I'm going to be thinking about you.

484
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: Is it essentially love? No, But I think that a

485
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: lot of people confuse it with that. But like you know,

486
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: when you see somebody and you're like, oh fuck, I'm

487
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: obsessed with you. I think my life has changed. But

488
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: you're not going to say that immediately. You might say

489
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: it later. Speak for yourself. Corny, corny alert because are

490
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: adding a fog horn sound effect a fog horn. It's

491
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: so HORNI al arms Jamie your thoughts. I believe in

492
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: it because I suck. I'm corny. I do believe in it.

493
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: I I think I don't believe in it. Like every

494
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: time someone says it happens, sometimes they have to, um,

495
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, like just go to therapy sometimes. But other

496
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: times I do think it's possible. I have experienced it

497
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: and then I ended up in a really long relationship. Okay,

498
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: that's so nice. So it doesn't mean it has to

499
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: be good good or end well to count, right, No,

500
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: one like that's a common misconception. True, I believe in it,

501
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: but I also don't think it's like, um, I feel

502
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: like it's overblown of like it's not a must, right,

503
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: A slow burn is good. You can also try horny

504
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: at first sight. Just a thought. I I think I

505
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: should try more horny at first sight because it sounds

506
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: it sounds less punishing, it's pretty fun. Okay. So Coop

507
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: gives Loose a ride home from the dinner and she confides, Yeah,

508
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: it's creepy. He's again aggressively hitting on her the whole time.

509
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: She confides in him that she's into someone, but that

510
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: person has already partnered and by this point, we the

511
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: audience can assume that it's Rachel who she's into. We

512
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: saw the poster right. Also, Coop's hand is on Loose's

513
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,239
Speaker 1: butt on the poster for the movie. Don't know if

514
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: we caught that it's true. He's like, canonically the worst.

515
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 1: It's just wild. He's awful. Then Rachel and Heck, because

516
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: don't forget his name is Heck. They run into Loose

517
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: at the supermarket when she's with another woman, Eadie, who

518
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: I think we also saw earlier at the very beginning

519
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: of the movie at the flower shop. Yeah, so they're friends,

520
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: and Heck is like, Rachel, you know your friend Luce. Well,

521
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: she's gay, by the way. And then they run into

522
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: eat Loose and Eadie again and he's like, hey, Eadie,

523
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: are you gay? So he's just like loudly Mr shy,

524
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: not respecting boundaries, screaming top of his lungs at the

525
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: grocery store. I just gay as a tennis player. Yes,

526
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: that is a line of dialogue. I hate to see

527
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: Papa Pia. What are you doing? So Eadie reveals that

528
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: she and Loose are just friends, they're not dating, and

529
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: then Rachel seems to start questioning things about herself, about

530
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: love in general, perhaps even about her relationship with Heck.

531
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: Nigay um okay. So then everyone goes to Rachel's sister,

532
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: Henrietta's school play slash science presentation. I'm not really sure

533
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: what it is. What weird excuse was there for Loose

534
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: to be there because Henrietta asked Luce? I helped her. Yeah,

535
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: LuSE helped Henrietta with the project because they're best friends.

536
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: Question Mark, so weird, so sinister? When did you access

537
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: this child? When did this child come in contact with

538
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: you long enough to I hate asking questions of a

539
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: movie like this, but I just cannot handle it. I

540
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: cannot suspend much suspension of disbelief, and I can suspend

541
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: not to brag, but I can suspend my disbelief. We've

542
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: seen it, We've seen it happen. I saw Doctor Strange,

543
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: So I think I know a thing or two about

544
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: my disbelief because it felt real. Let me um. One

545
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: of the like conventions of rom coms is that the characters,

546
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: and specifically the romantic interests, usually bump into each other

547
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: very conveniently, very plot device e very often. So it's

548
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: not out of like the realm of you know, being

549
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: able to suspend your disbelief for a rom com that

550
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: these characters are running into each other, but the way

551
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: the movie justifies that they're running into each other is

552
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: what is absolutely wild and makes no sense ever. Just

553
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: have her like have a niece in the like there's

554
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: there's so many ways to have this be a like corny,

555
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: forced together rom com thing that I love without her

556
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: being best friends with a nine year old? Why keep

557
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: the kids out of it? Yeah? Why is the kid

558
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: even there? So I know I can like suspend my

559
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: just like Lena Hetty is a very like talented actress,

560
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: but sometimes you're like, get Sarcey away from that kid.

561
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: She's got a bad track record, true wow, pushing kids

562
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: out of windows and everything, you know, like, let Cercy

563
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: Lanister that close to your fourth grader? Good luck, honey, scary? Okay.

564
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: So Rachel and Loose are at this like science presentation

565
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: of Henrietta's and Rachel fantasizes about getting close to Loose

566
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: and touching her hair and maybe even kissing her. So horny,

567
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: very good. I did like that so good. I screamed

568
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: the first time, second time and third time I watched it.

569
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: They're saying, you're right, Jamie. There scenes making so horny

570
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: that like almost the rest of the movie being awful,

571
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: is okay? It doesn't matter if it gets bad five

572
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: seconds after. But yeah, that scene I really enjoyed, and

573
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: even though a lot of it, You're right, Sammy was

574
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: inappropriate an overly touchy. I did love the punch ball

575
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: scene also so good. I would do it absolutely. I mean,

576
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: we haven't even gotten to the diaphragm scene, so just

577
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: you wait, ye had the second time Loose grabs Rachel's underbreast. Wow,

578
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: I'm horne while someone else is on the train to Hornytown.

579
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: We are okay. So Rachel is having this fantasy about

580
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: nuzzling up with Loose, and then Rachel tries to talk

581
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: to Loose about her feelings, but Loose kind of runs away,

582
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: and it seems like she doesn't want to be responsible

583
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: for tearing apart anyone's relationship, and specifically Rachel's relationship with

584
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: Heck Yeah, for some reason, she tells Coop She's like,

585
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: guess what guy who won't stop harassing me? I don't

586
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: believe in messing with other people's relationships because they're supposed

587
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: to be friends, question Mark, And You're like, yeah, they

588
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: become friends, and it's like, why this guy sucks so bad? Right?

589
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: She probably has other friends. D like Luce has horrible

590
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: tasted friends as because she becomes friends with a fourth

591
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: grader and a guy who stops actually harassing her in

592
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: the course of this movie. And you're like, you already

593
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: have friends, and your mom seems really nice, and and

594
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: the one friend that she does have who seems age

595
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: appropriate and who doesn't mistreat her is dy and we

596
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: barely see that relationship on screen. Yeah, and she's one

597
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: of the only other few queer characters in the movie.

598
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: So although the way that she grabbed her in the

599
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: grocery store and was just like I tried, there's also

600
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: probably some weirdness there. Yes, I thought that was weird. Yeah,

601
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: it stresses me out. Everything's a mess in this movie. Sorry, Kaitlyn,

602
00:39:53,880 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: you did almost say characters on your characters, and I

603
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: just wanted I just wanted to make sure we um acknowledge.

604
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: We acknowledged it, and now it's out there, and if

605
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: our audience wants to take that into their vernacular save

606
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: half a second of time, they're welcome to do so.

607
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: Merged coming possibly Crecters. I don't know want that on

608
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: our permanent record. I think you should. Okay, So then

609
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: Rachel goes to a video store and rents and I

610
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: couldn't tell if this was specifically a lesbian porn movie,

611
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: but it's a porn movie and her mom catches her

612
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: while she's renting it. Heck catches her while she's watching it.

613
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 1: Each time she plays it off is like a mistake

614
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: or it's research or something silly. I accidentally brought four

615
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: pornography films on vhs back to my flat. We all

616
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: can relate, you know why? I said pornography films gen

617
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: So sometimes that will happen. Also, it's two thousand and six.

618
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: You have the internet, right, Yeah? No one told her

619
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: about whatever website people were on a two thousen six?

620
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: Was it red Tube? Was that Red Tube era? Yeah?

621
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, what, how do you know, Sammy?

622
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: That was a test on the game positive for Horny

623
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: Horny Town. Okay. Heck notices that Rachel has been a

624
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: bit distant lately, and he's kind of trying to maybe

625
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: spice things up or figure things out. Meanwhile, Rachel continues

626
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: to think about Loose. Then Heck has to bail on

627
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: plans that he had with Rachel, so he asks their

628
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: new best friend Loose again. This relationship is very weird,

629
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 1: but he's like, hey, Loose, will you take my wife

630
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: out in my place? And then she does so. Rachel

631
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: and Loose to a soccer game where Loose grabs Rachel's

632
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: diaphragm and teaches her how to yell really loudly. Don't worry.

633
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: That comes back in a check offs. Diaphragm our favorite

634
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: term right up there with characters. So that happens and

635
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: they they're touching their vibing. Then they play D d

636
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: R together. Arcade is so horny? Horny is play to

637
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,479
Speaker 1: arcades for dates? Yeah? D d R ist hied with

638
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: the classroom space presentation scene for things that made me

639
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: the horny ist in the movie outside of kissing. Outside

640
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: of kissing, of course, but sorry, I'm a version, so

641
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: this is a difficult episode for me. Yeah, of course,

642
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: although I wish, I mean, I wasn't shocked because of

643
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: just how any like non hetero romances treated ratings wise,

644
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: But this movie was rated R How absurd is that? Oh? Yeah,

645
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: like it could and they said it was because they

646
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: say funk a lot, which isn't untrue. But you're like

647
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: you could almost argue PG like outside of like some

648
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: heavy petting, which I know that's like, but even there's

649
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: been people make out in PG movies. I just was like,

650
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: I can't believe this was rated R. It's ridiculous. Titanic

651
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: is rated PG, and we see bear Titty is not

652
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: rated PG. Sorry, not PG. There's a nipple in it.

653
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: Sorry I went to SAG there's two nipples in it.

654
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: There's two nipples. If anything, this movie is should be

655
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: rated PG thirteen. The fact that it's rated R, I

656
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: think has a lot to do with something we've talked

657
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: about on the podcast before and something that is the

658
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: topic of the documentary. This film is not yet rated,

659
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: where oftentimes queer relationships and queer sex scenes will earn

660
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 1: like an R or an n C seventeen rating, even

661
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: though they will virtually look identical to a hetero sex scene.

662
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: But because it's like it's yeah, it's it's just like

663
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: straight up homophobic, like I'm just kidding, I'm just kiddea.

664
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: And then it's also it's like and the fall out

665
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: of that is it just like limits who can see

666
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: people's access to the movie and distribution and all that. Yeah. Yeah,

667
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: I was like, man, it's it's just simply not narrated movie,

668
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: not even a little bit. Okay, So they're at the

669
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: end of their little soccer game slash d DR date

670
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: and Rachel almost kisses Loose, but Rachel pulls away at

671
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: the last minute and then goes inside in front of

672
00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: her house. Yeah, yes here, So Lose doesn't say hey,

673
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: did you just try to kiss me in a way

674
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: that if someone had done that to me, I would

675
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: be like, hey, did you just killing your brave? Thank

676
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,959
Speaker 1: you so much. I would have been like, what, sorry, Sorry,

677
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 1: I got in my face, got in the way your face.

678
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: I actually really shouldn't even be here because I've never

679
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: had sex before me showing up anywhere. They almost kiss,

680
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: but then they don't, and then Rachel tries to have

681
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: sex with Heck in a park I think, to like

682
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: liven up their sex life, but it doesn't pan out.

683
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: What was going on in that scene? That scene was

684
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: so bizarre and also like excessively British. What ah, Papa,

685
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: I don't papa, Pia really really confused me there, Yeah,

686
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: because they encounter to game men are two queer men

687
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: who are also having sex in a park. I have

688
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: the same first name, and they're dressed identically enough, and

689
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: I get that there's like a that is a thing,

690
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: and that there's like a historical president for game and

691
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: having sex in a place like a park. But it

692
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: just felt like it was like making a weird joke

693
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: of everything. And then right that whole scene was so

694
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: bizarre and like polite and sexless that you're just like,

695
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: what am I watching? It reads very weird. Why they

696
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: dress the men in the same outfit, the same brown sweater.

697
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: It was like, I don't know, Tweedlede energy to in

698
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: the costuming department that day, not sure what was happening.

699
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: They're like, we ran out of scarfs. We used up

700
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: all the scarves on the characters. We're going to give

701
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: them matching scarfs as well, but unfortunately Lena Hetty is

702
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: only wearing scarfs today, so we're fresh out. Yeah, okay,

703
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: So then Rachel goes to Loose's flower shop and she's like,

704
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: whatever is happening between us, it has to stop, and

705
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: so she tries to end things. But then two seconds

706
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: later she comes back and kisses Loose and they're making

707
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: out and it's getting steamy and we see that close her.

708
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I disliked how I don't know. This movie

709
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: is so British even the it's it's as British as

710
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: Piper Parabo is not um. I was wondering, and I

711
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: want to hear what are like English listeners think about

712
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: her accent in this movie. I can't tell how good

713
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: of a job she's doing. What didn't like bother me?

714
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like we're not purveyors of the accent.

715
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: But I liked when Lena Hetty was like, I have

716
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: thhoned in my bum. You're like, wow, what a British

717
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: way to say. True. Okay, so they're making out. It's

718
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: getting steamy, but then Heck comes in and Rachel hides

719
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: in the back and overhears Heck telling Loose his concerns

720
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: about how he's doing something wrong in his relationship, which

721
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: makes Rachel feel super guilty that she's not being honest

722
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: with him, so she runs off. And it also is

723
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: bizarre because Heck does not know Lose very well, and

724
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: here he is in the flower shop saying, I think

725
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: my marriage is falling apart. What do you think They're

726
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: putting a lot of pressure truly? Yeah, for someone that

727
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: they just like forced into a French like, it doesn't

728
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: feel like their friendship happens organically at all. It's very bizarre.

729
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: So Rachel runs off and Loose chases after her, and

730
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: Rachel's like, I can't do this, So they kind of

731
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: say goodbye and part ways. We see Rachel being bummed

732
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: about this. We see Loose being bummed about this. Heck

733
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: is having a bad time at work. He quits his job.

734
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: Everyone's having their low point one point seven. He was crying.

735
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: He's like, you liar, and I lied to quit. What

736
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: are you? Like? What are you doing on the phone?

737
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 1: He's like, I bet it's something really fucked up? Maybe okay.

738
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: In my headcanon, Rachel is solving the Zodiac killer case. Meanwhile,

739
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: her husband is on the phone with the Zodiac killer,

740
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: bargaining with him being his accomplice. Whoa people killed? He's negotiating,

741
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: he's agociating it down. This is how many you can

742
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: get away with? Point six. I love this. This is

743
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: let's keep it going. Let's talking about this for another

744
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. Yeah, okay, so everyone's having their low point.

745
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: Loose confides in her mom about Rachel. Rachel talks to

746
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: Heck about how she has fallen for someone else, but

747
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: she plans to stay with him because he is her

748
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: best friend. But then Coop shows up at Loose's flower

749
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: shop and confronts her about meddling in Rachel and Hex's relationship,

750
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 1: and he calls her, I think a dumb slut. So

751
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: we think that's awesome. Rachel finds out that Loose is

752
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: going on a long holiday through Henrietta, who is on

753
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: the phone with Luce. Right. What it's like that that

754
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: child has one of those phones that can only dial

755
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: out to the police and the parents phone number, but

756
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: instead it's the police and Loose and Louse. Wow, Okay,

757
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't hate it. Okay, so so sorry, it's just

758
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: sinking in for me. Uh, we're really coining a lot

759
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: of phrases today due to our lack of access to reality.

760
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: We're doing so well. I think we're doing great. So

761
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: Rachel learned this about Loose, that she's going away on holiday,

762
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: and then that like prompts Heck to be like, I

763
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: can't do this. I'm leaving. I'm not going to stand

764
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: in the way of your chance to be happy with

765
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: someone else, Rachel. So she's like, okay, cool, and then

766
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: her parents are like what's going on? And Rachel is like,

767
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm in love with Luce, but I don't think anything's

768
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: going to happen, and Rachel's dad is like, well, you

769
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: should go after her, So they all pile in the

770
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,959
Speaker 1: car and go to Loose's flower shop, but Luse's mom

771
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: is like, she's not here, but let's go get her.

772
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,959
Speaker 1: So then they get back in the car and try

773
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: to intercept Loose on her way to the airport were

774
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: question mark not really sure, but they're all stuck in traffic,

775
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: including Loose in her taxi. So then Rachel calls Loose

776
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: on the phone and realizes she's nearby because she hears

777
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: a cyclist singing imagine me and you so happy. She

778
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: hears that on Loose's end of the phone, and then

779
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: she actually hears the cyclist singing a few seconds later

780
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: as he passes, so Rachel's like, oh my gosh, she's nearby.

781
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: So she gets on the roof of the car and

782
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: yells out really loudly, just like Loose taught her in

783
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: the diaphragm scene, where she's like, use your diaphragm to

784
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: yell and Loose here's it, and gets out of the

785
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: taxi and then they run toward each other and they

786
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: kiss on the street. I just thought about how funny

787
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 1: it would be if instead of your winker number nine,

788
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: that Rachel just did the horn foghorn. Just okay, sorry,

789
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: go ahead, it's good. It's good. Um. So they kissed

790
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: on the street. And then as the credits roll, we

791
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: see Heck traveling and he meets another woman. We see Coop,

792
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: who has apparently settled down and had a baby. We

793
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: see Rachel and Louse and they are so happy together.

794
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: And that's the story. So let's take a quick break.

795
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: And I'm so sorry to interrupt your singing, Sammy, but

796
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: we do have to leave immediately and go to a

797
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: break and we'll be right back, and we're back due.

798
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: When they played that song in Freaky Friday, but they

799
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: turned it into a rock song, I don't remember that

800
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: seeing a few bars, if you will, okay, Instead of

801
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: imagine me I do, it sounded more like imagine me

802
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: and you. I do you know like rock music. Oh,

803
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: if you've heard that version of the song, I did

804
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: a pretty good job imagine me and you. I think

805
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: about you every day. Are nine. It's only right to

806
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: think about the girl you. Oh there die so happy

807
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: to get beautiful. And then the guys in the background.

808
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 1: You're like, Oh, it's good, alright, So shall we talk

809
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: about this movie thoughts. This movie, which is I think

810
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: it is called Click Click Imagine Her and her. My

811
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: first thought on this movie was that there is a

812
00:54:53,920 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: hot dog representation is almost confusingly high. Um do. Only

813
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: thing we know about Rachel's father is that he loves

814
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: his family and but not his not his wife, his wife.

815
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: Not his wife, hates his wife right until the until

816
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: at the end where he's like, actually they hate each other.

817
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: They hate each other here. But he does love hot dogs.

818
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: He loves hot dogs. That's the thing that he loves purely.

819
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: He can't love his daughter if he thinks about the

820
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: fact that she's most likely not a virgin. That makes

821
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: him sick. Yeah, what did he say? He said, I

822
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: can't talk about my daughter because all I can think

823
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: about is you putting your hand in my daughter or

824
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: something like that. Very weird. It was something like, is

825
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: that something people? I mean, not to mention your parents,

826
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: but is that like something that people even that just

827
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't be my go to phrase to even express that thought.

828
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: What if he's like, get your hot dog out of

829
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: my daughter, get your hot dog out of my m Yeah,

830
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't need to con tinue the sentence. No do

831
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: it um Okay. So this is a queer rom com

832
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: from two thousand five. I'm not going to say a

833
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: qualm con qualm call uh. And it was written and

834
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: directed by a man. I don't know exactly what his

835
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: sexuality is, but he is married to a woman and

836
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: that's all we know. So I can't I don't want to,

837
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 1: you know, make any assumptions here, but it's a movie

838
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: from two thousand five, meaning it could go a lot

839
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 1: of ways. I was like, there's probably some very dated

840
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: things here. There's probably some like weird trophy things happening,

841
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: and there are, but there are also a lot of

842
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: things that I was pleasantly surprised by. Again, not knowing

843
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: really anything about the movie before watching it to prep

844
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: for this episode, and knowing some of the existing kind

845
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: of tropes and context surrounding lesbian movies, I was pleasantly surprised.

846
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: It is a movie set in contemporary times, so it's

847
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: not a period drama. It isn't tragedy porn the way

848
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: that a lot of again, you know, like mainstream lesbian

849
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: films have been in the past few years, there's a

850
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: happy ending where the lesbian lovers get together at the

851
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: end and presumably stayed together, and they're like generally accepted

852
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: by all their friends and family. I mean there are

853
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: I feel like Coope and Rachel's mom are the most

854
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: problematic unless I'm missing someone, but they seem to be

855
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: the most problematic about the relationship. Yeah, for Coop, I think,

856
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, being the worst offender by far, because he

857
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: was like I just saw Jeelie and you won't believe

858
00:57:55,680 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, the lies I believe. But but yeah, generally

859
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: like accepted and and and so happy together. One could

860
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: even say, or the way I choose to say it,

861
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: which is so happy to do. But yeah, that that

862
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: is something. Because of the like time and place where

863
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: they are, we don't have to see the characters deal

864
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: with extreme rampant homophobia. Of course, there are micro and

865
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: macro aggressions against them from particular characters, but by and large,

866
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: people are accepting them. Although you do have like all

867
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: those weird moments of like Heck outing loose to everyone

868
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: he's ever met. There's there's weird things like that going on,

869
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: but it's I guess not the worst example I've seen

870
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: also it might not be fair to call Loose and

871
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: Rachel lesbian lovers because it's entirely possible that Rachel is bisexual. Yeah,

872
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: I kind of I'm curious whatever with that. I kind

873
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: of appreciated that that was, like because I know that

874
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: like public discourse in two thousand five, always as my

875
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: child self was aware of it, is like the conversation

876
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: around bisexuality was basically non existent, and so I thought

877
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: that there would be very like dated trophy like pick

878
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: a side kind of conversation surrounding Rachel, and I kind

879
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: of appreciate I mean, for the time it came out

880
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: that that wasn't a big discussion and that wasn't something

881
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: that was like like it wasn't I guess it was

882
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: like it just like wasn't called into questions like whether

883
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: she had ever loved or been attracted to her husband,

884
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: which I don't know. I thought it was, like, I

885
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: just I wasn't expecting that move for a movie that

886
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: came out in two five. Yeah. Yeah, I really appreciate

887
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: that they didn't, like they didn't lean into stare areotypes

888
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,959
Speaker 1: to make it like palatable for the straight audience either,

889
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: like they didn't like, Oh, Louis is a lesbian, so

890
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: here are these lesbian things she definitely does because she's

891
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: a lesbian straits. It was nice. Sure. I was also

892
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised that Loose when you meet her, is already

893
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: and out lesbian, because a lot of times I think

894
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: a trope in queer romance stories is and like not

895
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: to discredit or like invalidate people discovering themselves and you know,

896
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: questioning and you know, discovering their sexuality, because of course

897
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: that is completely valid and an authentic experience for many people.

898
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: But I know that there is a frustration about a

899
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: lot of queer cinema that many queer characters are not

900
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: already out and living their queer lives, and the representation

901
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: excused pretty heavily on characters who are in the closet

902
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: and or who haven't come out yet at the beginning

903
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,479
Speaker 1: of the movie, and a lot of movies focus on

904
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: coming out stories, which I guess this movie sort of

905
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: does with Rachel's character. But I just appreciate that Luce

906
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: is already out. Yeah, she's like out to her mom,

907
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: no problem, Like, it's just it's a very chill environment.

908
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: Her mom's just like, get out there in Date, and

909
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: then Lena Hetty's like you get out there in Date,

910
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: and then they both do the end, the end. I

911
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: was surprised that we see women kissing each other on

912
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: screen multiple times, especially because again another cinematic convention you see,

913
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: especially in movies of this era with queer characters. Maybe

914
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: the characters were allowed to be out, but often they

915
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't have any kind of romance or romantic partner, and

916
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: if they did, we were also not allowed We were

917
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: not allowed to actually see them kiss or be physically

918
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: intimate in any way. So the fact that this movie

919
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: and it would be absolutely ridiculous if they weren't allowed

920
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: to because like rom coms have people kissing. That's one

921
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: of the conventions of the genre, and it shouldn't be

922
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: surprising that this happens. But because of the precedent that

923
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: had been set of queer characters not being allowed to

924
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: show physical intimacy on screen, I found myself surprised that

925
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: again in a movie from two thousand five, we actually

926
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: see them kissing on screen. I am I went back

927
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: and watched some of the like DVD extras and like

928
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: press junkets from this movie because I was just curious

929
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: of because, as far as I know, Piper Parabout and

930
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: Lena Hetty are both straight actors as far as we know,

931
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: and certainly at this time they were very publicly publicly straight.

932
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a better way to say that. But

933
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: but I wanted to watch interviews with them, and something

934
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: that didn't occur to me that came up in every

935
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: single interview was this movie came out the same year

936
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: as Brokeback Mountain. In Brokeback Mountain comes up in every

937
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: single interview, and they're very annoyed by it. Where I

938
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, I think it's like to me,

939
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: it almost spoke to like how little queer cinema there

940
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: was in like a I guess because because this movie

941
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: was not huge, Brokeback Mountain was huge. Um, but in everything,

942
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: they're like, why don't you have as much sex in

943
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: this movie as they have in Brokeback Mountain. They're kind

944
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: of like, it's a different genre, Like rom coms are

945
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: usually pretty sexless. So yeah, I thought that this this

946
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: had about the amount of sex and kissing that your

947
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: average rom com does, and possibly slightly more because they

948
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: kissed more than one time, right, right, because normally in

949
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: a a hetero rom com they don't kiss until the

950
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: very end. It depends on the story, of course, but

951
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: like that's pretty standard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just it

952
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: connect for me that this was like the year of

953
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: Brokeback Mountain, and Brokeback Mountain comes up as if it

954
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: were the only other queer movie to ever exist, and

955
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: Lena Hetty and Piper parable just kind of don't know

956
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: what to do with the question. They're like, yeah, it's

957
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: a round com. We're friends. We met on the cave

958
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: and but another thing, and we were talking about this

959
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: a little bit, Sammy, when you and I watched part

960
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: of this movie together together unhappily on what Okay, I'm joking.

961
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: You brought up that the movie tends to avoid the

962
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: predatory lesbian trope. I don't know what to make of

963
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: the soccer game slash yelling slash diaphragm scene because there

964
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I tend to agree that that

965
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: the movie does tend to avoid the trope. But I

966
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: feel like the diaphragm scene isn't like if they were

967
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: going to lean into the predator lesbian trope, Luce would

968
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: essentially be coope like it's that sure, not like because

969
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,479
Speaker 1: I feel like the diaphram thing, like as I guess,

970
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: as we were about Loose touching Rachel where she did,

971
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm stuttering because I'm horny about it. Um we you

972
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: me horn um. Like they didn't shoot it in a

973
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: way where it seemed like Loose was doing it for

974
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: the reason of just touching all over her new married friend, right, yeah,

975
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: and then Rachel is like, we'll put both of your

976
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: hands on me. Yeah that or like, oh, Rachel, but

977
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: it should be as I don't know, I mean, it

978
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: is the spitla of my scene of the movie and Jamie,

979
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: as you just said, put your hands on me, Loose loose,

980
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: I felt like, yeah for that, I mean, I definitely

981
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: think that that's a very two thousand five e and all,

982
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: But it felt more like a rom com thing that

983
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: like that would have happened in a rom comm in

984
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: two thousand five, regardless of the gender of true the

985
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: people involved, Like you could see Hugh Grant doing that

986
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: in two thousand five in a rom com easily of

987
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: just like you know, he probably does it in notting

988
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: Hill for all I know. Yeah, I the diaphragm thing

989
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: felt like a rom com issue more so than a

990
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: predatory lesbian trope in my opinion. Yeah, I see that,

991
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: and like it's not even though that. You know, you

992
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: watch this movie and you're like, Wow, let's congratulate the

993
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: movie for avoiding what should just be of avoided in

994
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: a narrative. But at the same time, because so many

995
01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: harmful tropes have been established, I still couldn't help but

996
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: be again pleasantly surprised by what the movie does that's

997
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: positive and avoids that is negative. That said, there's stuff

998
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: that it leans into that is negative. Yeah, but I

999
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: guess my point is like, oh, there's really cool stuff

1000
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: that happens in this movie that I think make it

1001
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,439
Speaker 1: watchable even to this day. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah,

1002
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: this feels this feels like it just it's a bit

1003
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: diff a weird one because it's like, there's certainly, like

1004
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: way better movies about women in love than this one.

1005
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: A lot of the ones that are much better are

1006
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: made by queer women. We've covered some of them on

1007
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 1: this show. I feel like Papa Pia is kind of

1008
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: showing the Papa Pianist of it all in certain scenes

1009
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: and exchanges. Um, and then it also kind of feels

1010
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: like we've talked about this kind of thing that tends

1011
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: to happen on the show all the time of just

1012
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: sort of like this weird half step of progress where

1013
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: it's like this was a like wide international release with

1014
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: big movie stars, but it was like written and directed

1015
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: by a straight guy. But it almost felt like this

1016
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: movie like deviates so little from the romcom formula that

1017
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: it feels like, I don't know, I would be curious of,

1018
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: like how if if it's already considered at this time

1019
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: so unusual to have a queer relationship at the center

1020
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: of a like widely released movie, Like how far are

1021
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: you going to deviate from the formula if that movie

1022
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: is even going to get made, you know, which I

1023
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: have kind of conflicting thoughts about, because on one hand,

1024
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: this movie was not reviewed favorably. I think it has

1025
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: like a thirty five percent on Rotten Tomatoes, and the

1026
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: consensus seems to be that, Yeah, despite it subverting the

1027
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: kind of expected narrative of this being a queer story

1028
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: rather than a hetero story, which is what most mainstream

1029
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: rom coms feature, this is still an extremely predictable trophy

1030
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 1: corny rom com. And while that is true, part of

1031
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: me is like, well, queer people deserve corny rom coms

1032
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: to yeah. But on the other hand, it felt to

1033
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: me partially and I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on this,

1034
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: but there's still so much heterosexuality in this movie, and

1035
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: it felt to me as though this is a movie

1036
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: that's like written by a straight guy mostly for straight people,

1037
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: because of different story choices that were made and what

1038
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: the movie focuses on a lot, which is like way

1039
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 1: too much of because like there's all these subplots or

1040
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: like narrative through lines where we get focused on Rachel's

1041
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: mom and dad and they're failing and then reblossoming relationship,

1042
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: we get Rachel's little sister and her little boyfriend. Oh

1043
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: my god, I mean that's like a whole separate issue.

1044
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 1: Why are we having the music swell growth? I have

1045
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: that in my notes my sentences. Music's music swell for children?

1046
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 1: Question mark Why it seemed to seemed to swell absurdly

1047
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: loudly too? I was like, I was like, oh my god, sorry, sorry,

1048
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: And weird grooming, Yeah, it's weird. Good job, Papa Papa Boom.

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01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: We see Coop trying to fuck a bunch of women.

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01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: We see Beth Rachel's friend trying to find a boyfriend. Basically,

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01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: I just wish that there were more queer movies where

1052
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: more of the characters are queer and it's not just

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01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,839
Speaker 1: like two queer women hanging out with thousands of straight people.

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01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: That is an ask that would have over extended old

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01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: Papa Pia, and I feel like he would have mishandled

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01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 1: any more queer characters. Certainly, Papapia is like, I can

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01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 1: truly just handle to one legend a half if you

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01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:30,600
Speaker 1: consider loses friend Dye, a character which he seems to

1059
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: about halfway right, yes, one point three one point four two.

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01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: Meanwhile you get a whole scene of whatever the funk

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01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: that is uh boring a piece I android on. This

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01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,839
Speaker 1: was written by friend of the show, Princess Weeks. Princess

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01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: wrote about this movie for The Mary Suit earlier this

1064
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: or last year, so I wanted to share what her

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01:11:55,200 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: thoughts were a little bit. She's saying stuff like this quote.

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01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: Neither Rachel nor lewis pursued the other. They just keep

1067
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: getting pulled in each other's way. And while loose being

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01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: gay is addressed early on, it's not seen as an issue,

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01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,600
Speaker 1: which is great. I felt a lot more joy in

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01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: watching this film because while the cheating element isn't great,

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01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: it was nice seeing it not be either a traditional

1072
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: coming out story or inherently a gay angst story. Just

1073
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 1: a love connection with bad timing that ends up working

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01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: out without turning anyone into a bad person unquote, which

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01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 1: I do think is like a strength of this movie,

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01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: because it's like, Heck, I think a lot of Heck

1077
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: behavior is unacceptable. The fact that he compulsively outs loose

1078
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: at every opportunity is pretty egregious, but in the general

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01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 1: sense I did because I feel like it's such a

1080
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: rom com. One of the tropes that's avoided in this

1081
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 1: movie is like there's always like the third party is

1082
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:57,480
Speaker 1: made out to be like horrible, evil, irredeemable cal Hockley,

1083
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: if you will, the cal Hockley of the situation, and Heck,

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01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: while he certainly has issues and like has behavior that

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01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: is not acceptable, is not like a bad person and

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01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 1: is also I thought like it was cool that they

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01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: didn't make him out to be a villain because then

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01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: you get to see him like realize that his wife

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01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: is in love with luc and except that his wife

1090
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: um but I thought it was nice that he like,

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01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: obviously it's very painful for your wife to leave you

1092
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: for anybody. But but he's just like, you know, he

1093
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: accepts it. He doesn't lash out in a villainous fashion.

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01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: And uh, that's I like, even for any rom com,

1095
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 1: that's unusual. But I thought it worked really well here.

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01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 1: Instead we have Coop lashing out and being like you

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01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: filthy slut. Something is wrong with Coop and we're like, Coop,

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01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: why are you even in this movie? Get out of here?

1099
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: No one likes you. He doesn't do anything. The boy

1100
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: ain't right. Yeah, Luce could have had those conversations that

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01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: she had with Cooper with h if they really wanted

1102
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: them to be friends. Are they eat like right? What

1103
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 1: would have worked better for me is if so when

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01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: Cooper meets Loose at the wedding and he he fancies her,

1105
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: if he goes to Rachel then and it's like, hey,

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01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: can you try to set me up with the flower lady?

1107
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: Can you like get us all together for dinner and

1108
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: try to set this up? And then Rachel's more than

1109
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 1: happy to extend this invitation because she either consciously or

1110
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 1: subconsciously wants to spend more time with Loose and then

1111
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,879
Speaker 1: that's why they have that dinner scene with the match

1112
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: making attempt. That's not even necessarily like a a Bectel

1113
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,759
Speaker 1: cast thing that just like would make more narrative sense

1114
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 1: to me. But anyway, I think we need to spend

1115
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 1: any more time trying to make Cooper makes sense, right, No,

1116
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: we just have to accept the fact that that the

1117
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: trash character Papa Pia, you know, examine yourself. It's but

1118
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: it's also like to me, Rachel's character not making sense

1119
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: unless I guess you could read it that like she

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01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: extends this invitation and is trying to do this matchmaking

1121
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: because she's also just subconsciously trying to spend more time

1122
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: with Luce and it could just be under the guise

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01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 1: of trying to match make, but really she's just like

1124
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: I want to be near her, so I think that's

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01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: entirely possible. Anyway. Moving on, Like most rom coms, even

1126
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: once set in large cities with diverse populations, uh, this

1127
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: is very white movie, Rachel has what feels like a

1128
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 1: token black friend, Zena played by Vanette Robinson. Of Rachel's

1129
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: two friends her and Beth, Zena is the one without

1130
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 1: a little subplot because the other friend, the white woman,

1131
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: gets more screen time. She gets a little subplot where

1132
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 1: she's trying to find a boyfriend. We just get to

1133
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: know that character better. The one black character in the

1134
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:15,719
Speaker 1: movie is like sidelined to the extreme, and I hated it. Yeah,

1135
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: I think her most notable moment was the scene in

1136
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 1: the bathroom where they were talking about, um, if they

1137
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: had ever considered dating women before, and that is like

1138
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: that was her little showcase moment. I thought it was

1139
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: like a fun moment for the five. But yeah, we don't.

1140
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: We don't know anything about her and this movie. I mean,

1141
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: as with most round comps, it's very white, and it

1142
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,719
Speaker 1: also takes place in just like generally the upper classes

1143
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 1: upper you know, you saw their flat. They have a

1144
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 1: spiral staircase in their flat, which is with like roof

1145
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: access simply impractical. Okay, not practical. Heck can afford it

1146
01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: because he day trades crypto or whatever. The fun. Oh

1147
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 1: he's got forty one point six, He's he's set for life. Yeah,

1148
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: he's fine. He's going to get a bonus the size

1149
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: of his boss's naus. It's implies. I was like, I

1150
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: really hate business dialogue in movies. It's so gross. Um,

1151
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 1: you see a David ma'am at play one time and

1152
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: then you just write ship like that down. It's disgusting,

1153
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: glaze over. Is there any other stuff? Yeah? Other thoughts, Caitlin,

1154
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: Do you have more things or can I get at

1155
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 1: it please? Okay, great, here's some things in my notes

1156
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 1: that we didn't touch on. Going back to the bathroom scene.

1157
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard crossed the street as

1158
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 1: a euphemism for being gay, which is fun British. When

1159
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 1: Rachel goes, have you ever crossed the street, which is like, oh,

1160
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 1: that's nice, I'll use that. Um. And then when Rachel

1161
01:17:54,600 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 1: was talking to Heck after exposing her gayness to him,

1162
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: her line of you're my best friend. That was enough

1163
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:06,879
Speaker 1: before and we'll be enough again that that is a terrible,

1164
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: non comforting thing to hear from your new wife. And

1165
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: if that is how you felt in the relationship before,

1166
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,759
Speaker 1: you probably shouldn't have been married anyway. Precisely, we already

1167
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: talked about I should have married you, which is what

1168
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: Hex said to a nine year old child. That is

1169
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 1: so so bad, believably weird. It was giving a little

1170
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:37,879
Speaker 1: women Amien Lorie energy except that actually happens in Little Away.

1171
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: Um okay, and then some horny, some horny moments between

1172
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: Rachel and Loose after the Arcade dates when they're talking

1173
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: about flowers and Loose is like, you don't want to

1174
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: hear about lilies, and Rachel's like, no, tell me about lilies,

1175
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 1: and this is like okay, they mean, I dare you

1176
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: to love me. And then Loose makes eye contact and

1177
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 1: then steps away of that is that is so horny?

1178
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: What a horny move. I loved it so much, very good,

1179
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 1: very gay, quite horny about it. And then um, when

1180
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 1: they're when they're breaking up in the park and Lucy's like,

1181
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,839
Speaker 1: don't forget me, and Rachel says, I won't remember anything

1182
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 1: else also just fucked me right up again. Those scenes,

1183
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: the scenes between the two of them gorgeous, even though

1184
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: I think that Rachel's character is like kind of blah

1185
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: and like a little under characterized. I mean, she's a

1186
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 1: straight woman, true, Sorry but sorry. Why are they drawn

1187
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,719
Speaker 1: to each other besides the fact that they are both

1188
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: attractive and near each other? This is a thing that

1189
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 1: I take issue with. Baby Can and Baby You're sexy

1190
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: and life Cannon to build a life together, bros. That's true.

1191
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: There are just a lot of sexy people that you're

1192
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,560
Speaker 1: just like, I'm this isn't a conversation kind of relationship,

1193
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: and well that's good for them, trust me with my

1194
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 1: horny time. I know. But when i'm if, I'm trying

1195
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: to get into a relation, like a long term, meaningful

1196
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 1: companionship with someone so hot you wouldn't even need to

1197
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 1: talk to anybody of I don't have to imagine. Unbelievable.

1198
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: We make our living talking without being seen. We have

1199
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 1: the opposite problem. Despite all that, though, I did really

1200
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: enjoy their scenes together and honestly wish there were more

1201
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: of them, but instead, too much real estate in the

1202
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:41,839
Speaker 1: movie is dedicated to watching Heck at his job, scenes

1203
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 1: between Coope and Loose, in which he is being a

1204
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 1: disgusting creep, scenes where Henrietta is best friends with a

1205
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 1: hundred different adults like I just wish there had been

1206
01:20:55,920 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 1: a little bit more emphasis on the queer relationship and

1207
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 1: seeing that heighten and develop again to watch Imagine Me

1208
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 1: and two the Rise of grou Oh. Heck, if this

1209
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: movie was like really really bad, like you call it,

1210
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 1: imagine pee and pooh, we're really doing this yeah, Sammy,

1211
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 1: do you have more things? Did you read the Roger

1212
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:29,759
Speaker 1: Ebert I'm I'm I'm teeing it up right now. So

1213
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 1: once we decided that Imagine Me and You was going

1214
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 1: to be the movie we covered, I googled it, as

1215
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 1: one does, and I saw that there was a review

1216
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:43,679
Speaker 1: from www dot Roger Ebert dot com from two thousand

1217
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: and six, And in the Google search you see a

1218
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: little bit of a sentence. So the sentence is this,

1219
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 1: this movie is basically gay propaganda. The basis is that

1220
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: she is leaving a happy relationship with a man she

1221
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 1: has known for ages and is a good dot dot dot,

1222
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 1: which is a pretty strong accusation. Strong accusation. Look, yeah,

1223
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: I clicked. I was like, I have to make sure

1224
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that he's saying all this is a pejorative,

1225
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: But what if he wasn't right? But he was. He

1226
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: did not like the movie. He didn't like the movie,

1227
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 1: but then at the end he was like at the end,

1228
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: he kind of implies that it's because it's his second

1229
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:32,440
Speaker 1: like he liked a movie where hyper parable plays a

1230
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: gay character better. Like he's like, I like the other

1231
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: parable lesbian movie better. And then you're like jeez. Okay,

1232
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 1: Oh no, he was talking about another Oh yeah, was

1233
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 1: he Yeah, that's what he Yes, he was like she

1234
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: was probably thinking about how much better that movie was

1235
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 1: the whole time she was shooting this movie. But he's

1236
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 1: just a mess. Right. Here's what made me me eyebrows

1237
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: raise is that that's specific sentence in the snapshot of

1238
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: the article or review, not in the not in the

1239
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 1: review once you click on it. So was it? So

1240
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 1: where does it come from? It was scrubbed? Oh so

1241
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: we'll never know the rest of that sentence. Wait, so

1242
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: it was it originally published with that sentence in it,

1243
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: but then they like edited it out later on. I'm

1244
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 1: pretty sure because I couldn't find it anywhere else, right,

1245
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: because I started. I tried to search for it too

1246
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: once you had mentioned that, and then I couldn't find

1247
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 1: it anywhere. So yeah, naughty boy Roger, naughty boy Roger.

1248
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: We'll have to call him in hell where he lives

1249
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: now there. Sorry, I just like to mention that Roger

1250
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: Effort could be in hell if you believe in that

1251
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 1: sort of thing. Sure, sure, yeah, I mean he maybe

1252
01:23:53,000 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: he's in heck. It like the character's na um. Here's

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Speaker 1: a few things um Loose fat shames one of her customers.

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01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:11,759
Speaker 1: Loose calls her love interest shrill Heck keeps talking about

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01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 1: how he could make jam and I'm like, excuse me,

1256
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: don't you mean marmalade. We're in Paddington Territory here? Okay,

1257
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 1: this is England, this is London. You mean marmalade? Have

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01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 1: I heard of it? Um? I felt as though there

1259
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: was like we talked a little bit about Rachel's parents

1260
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: and that relationship, how they hate each other, but then

1261
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: at the very end they decided to rekindle. In the case,

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01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: it felt to me as though we had like a

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01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: shrewish mom trope happening with Rachel's mom. But then that

1264
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 1: was also kind of like offset by Loose having a

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01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 1: cool mom so so much she fucks What else? I

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01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,679
Speaker 1: feel like the part where Rachel almost kisses Loose after

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01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 1: they play DDR was a surprise kiss, but then it

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01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: didn't get followed through on, which I feel like we

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01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 1: haven't seen where like a surprise kiss doesn't happen all

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01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: the way. Surprise kisses just mean like nobody's asking can

1271
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: I kiss you? Right, It's just like you know, you

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01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:18,759
Speaker 1: kind of lunge at someone and kiss them without checking

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01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 1: in to see if they want to be kiss I'm sorry,

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01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: was there a lunge in that one? I feel like

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01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 1: that was a vibe, that was a vibe it could yeah,

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01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like that that that one

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01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,679
Speaker 1: passed the vibe check for me. I think I feel

1278
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: like they were tiptoeing towards each other. Maybe I maybe

1279
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:36,719
Speaker 1: I'm just obsessed with people. No one, No one does

1280
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 1: my line, my horny pickup line, which is should we kiss?

1281
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: And that way it's very explicitly put out there. Thank you.

1282
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: So whenever people don't say that and don't get all

1283
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:54,799
Speaker 1: of that verbal confirmation, see, I do something that's not sexy.

1284
01:25:54,960 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: I say what the kids saying, oh cool? Oh yeah,

1285
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 1: I asked if do you want to kiss? And then

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01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: after minutes of me being very very nervous, I'll say, okay,

1287
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 1: here I come, so we're all doing great. I also

1288
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 1: do like you know, when like a parent is like

1289
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 1: feeding their kid a spoonful of thing and it's like

1290
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 1: an airplane. I sort of do that too. I'm mike, here,

1291
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: I come, is it with your head? Yeah? I'm like swiveling. Uh.

1292
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: Sammy wins that that's pretty good. Um, I think that's

1293
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 1: really all I had. Yeah, I had Coyote, I said,

1294
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 1: I said, more like Coyote British. More like Rachel getting

1295
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: unmarried and the night that's that's actually a really good joke, Jamie,

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01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 1: thank you. Wow, don't sound so surprised. Well, I mean

1297
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 1: comparing to Coyote Britain from the from the joke, writer

1298
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 1: who wrote Coyote Britain calls this a joke that makes sense.

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01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,719
Speaker 1: Oh good, that's all I have. That's all I have, Yes, Sammy,

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01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 1: do anything else you'd like to share? Yeah? I really

1301
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 1: don't like that. D d R is again misrepresented in

1302
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 1: the movie. They're not playing, they're not actively playing the game.

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01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: Can touch happens a lot, and it's very frustrating as

1304
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 1: a a DDR self DDR champion champion does me. It's

1305
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 1: also funny when people in movies managed to make DDR

1306
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 1: look sexy, because it's like, it's not to say it's

1307
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 1: not sexy, but it's not like backup dancers sexy. It's

1308
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: like DDR is really sexy if you wanted to see

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01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: someone move their feet really quickly and while their upper

1310
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 1: half is essentially not moving at all, it's not pie

1311
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 1: prepara book gets an ash shake in there. I'm like,

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01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 1: that's not that's not how the game is played. That's

1313
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 1: not how ap plays. Also, I'll go ahead and say

1314
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 1: that d d R is not really that sexy. It

1315
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: is not, but it's the just the atmosphere of being

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01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:07,600
Speaker 1: in an arcade and competing with someone exactly horny d

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01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 1: had even them ending up on a DDR machine after

1318
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: Louis was like, I want to go dancing. That is ridiculous.

1319
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 1: That is a ridiculous solution to that. Yes, I would

1320
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: be so disappointed because d d R should not be

1321
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: called Dance Dance Revolution. It's like Jump Jump Revolution. You're

1322
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 1: not really dancing when you play DDR. You're just sort

1323
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 1: of like stepping and hopping, like tap tap Now I'm sweating,

1324
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: that's the game. That's the game. But I did enjoy

1325
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 1: their connection and it felt to me as though they

1326
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: had pretty palpable on screen chemistry. We've we've talked about

1327
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 1: this where like developed on the side of the cave. True,

1328
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 1: but we've talked about how like sometimes in queer movies

1329
01:28:55,160 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 1: where straight actors are cast, the characters don't of any

1330
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 1: chemistry and this isn't necessarily happiest season, I feel I

1331
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 1: feel like we talked about this on the Carol episode

1332
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 1: as well, And this is not necessarily this is not

1333
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 1: specifically a heat for that one. That's true. No one

1334
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 1: can claim that there was chemistry and happiest season just

1335
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 1: canonically palpably untrue, Like did these women know each other?

1336
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean there was, but it was between Aubrey Plaza

1337
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:30,680
Speaker 1: and Christen Stewart right right. And this isn't like necessarily

1338
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: an issue specific to queer movies because look at Matthew

1339
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 1: McConaughey and every rom com he's in, and how little

1340
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 1: chemistry he has with any of the women. Okay, Wedding Planner,

1341
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 1: they were in love. That is so far and I

1342
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 1: refused to check my work, But this is something that

1343
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 1: we have come up upon where straight actors are cast

1344
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 1: in queer roles and they often won't have chemistry with

1345
01:29:55,800 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 1: each other. But I felt chemistry between Piper Parabow and

1346
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: Lena Hetty. Yeah, tell that to my pair of boner

1347
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 1: who piper pipe. There's a there's a pipe, there's a

1348
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: penis joke in there. Maybe just spitballing anyone. Yeah, I was.

1349
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 1: I was following it. No, I was following it. But

1350
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: then I was like, that would sounds so gross to

1351
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 1: say out loud. So well, happiest season more like horny

1352
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 1: is season for Caitlin And I'm gonna make a piper

1353
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 1: joke anyway, Right, it passes the Bichtel test. Big surprise,

1354
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: the movie passes the Backtel test five hundred thousand times. Yes, man,

1355
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 1: it's a lot between a lot of different combinations of

1356
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:54,799
Speaker 1: characters as well, moms and daughters, lovers, childs and children

1357
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 1: and adults that our best friends we don't know. Yeah. Yeah,

1358
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,560
Speaker 1: as far as our nipple scales zero to five nipples.

1359
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,720
Speaker 1: Based on how the movie fares when looking at it

1360
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 1: through an intersectional feminist lens, ah, I guess I would

1361
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: give this. This is one of those sort of like

1362
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 1: split down the middle movies For me. I do think

1363
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 1: it was ahead of its time in a number of ways.

1364
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 1: I think that it holds up better than you'd expect

1365
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 1: of a two thousand five rom com about a queer

1366
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:39,320
Speaker 1: relationship written and directed by a straight white guy as

1367
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 1: far as we know, but a lot of harmful tropes

1368
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:48,280
Speaker 1: were avoided. Not all of them were avoided, but enough

1369
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 1: were that I feel like, you know, this is a

1370
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 1: movie to to still watch and enjoy and appreciate the

1371
01:31:56,240 --> 01:32:00,640
Speaker 1: relationship and appreciate that it's a queer rom calm that

1372
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 1: has a happy ending and that has a nice relationship

1373
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 1: that you can get behind. Because also, like just a

1374
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 1: convention of the romcom genre is like it's a toxic

1375
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 1: relationship where characters are lying to each other and being

1376
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 1: manipulative and being gross and creepy a lot of the time,

1377
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 1: and that doesn't happen in this movie. We just have

1378
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 1: a pretty sweet connection between two people and they make

1379
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 1: it work. So I think I'll give this three because

1380
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 1: of that. It obviously gets points off for some of

1381
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 1: the behavior of other characters that doesn't really go challenged

1382
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: or commented on by the movie cooop and heck outing

1383
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 1: loose all the time, That the extreme whiteness of the movie,

1384
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 1: the sidelining of the one black character. Everyone else you

1385
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: see on screen who as a speaking role is white.

1386
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 1: Um yeah, three nipples, and I'll give one to Rachel,

1387
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: I'll give one to Loose, and I'll give one to

1388
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 1: Eat because I wanted more for her character. I'll meet

1389
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 1: you three. Uh yeah, there's uh four. Its time considered,

1390
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:28,600
Speaker 1: like I had to keep putting my like. It's frustrating

1391
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 1: because there are so many like better queer movies, many

1392
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 1: of them made by queer people made well before this movie.

1393
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 1: But a lot of the popular, you know, mainstream cinema,

1394
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 1: that cinema, Oh my god. Okay, okay, I have to

1395
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:51,520
Speaker 1: go walk into the ocean, loser alert movies. It's called movies, okay,

1396
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 1: but yeah, a lot of movies that featured queer relationships

1397
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 1: in like mainstream releases. Literally, Geelie came out two years

1398
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 1: before that, so I think, given the era it came

1399
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 1: out in, I was pleasantly surprised that it did as

1400
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 1: many just like lovely sweet rom com things as it did.

1401
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 1: I like the relationship, I like the characters. Generally, I'm

1402
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:22,600
Speaker 1: mainly docking it for extreme whiteness, Papa Pilla's choices surrounding

1403
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 1: when music should swell around children and uh and literally

1404
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 1: and literally the character coop um, So I will I'll

1405
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 1: go with three. I'll give when to loose window loses,

1406
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 1: horny horny mom, and one to the hot dog. Oh yeah,

1407
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to give a nipple to the scarves. Oh yeah,

1408
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:51,799
Speaker 1: I ran out honorary mentioned to the scarfs scarves, scarves,

1409
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 1: scarves and scarves, scarves, scarfs, Sammy, what about you? Um,

1410
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to add to y'all's reasoning, but

1411
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 1: I think the child stuff makes me incredibly uncomfortable. So

1412
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 1: it's a two and a half for me. Dog. Hell yeah,

1413
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 1: do you want to go up to a two point six?

1414
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:17,720
Speaker 1: Two point seven? Two point four two point three? Are

1415
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 1: you lying to me? We're just lying? And then you

1416
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 1: hang up the phone and say I quit. I um

1417
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 1: my nipples go to loose, go to Loose's mom, and

1418
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 1: then the point five nip goes to don't forget me.

1419
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 1: I won't remember anything else. It's nice, that's happing. Good.

1420
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:48,639
Speaker 1: Well give Papa Pia that m thank you so much

1421
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 1: for joining us once again. You are now in the

1422
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:55,839
Speaker 1: three time appearance club. And for that again, the reward

1423
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 1: is a nice little hug. I can't wait to hug

1424
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 1: you both for longer than five minutes for eight dollars

1425
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 1: a piece. I was like, and you don't even need

1426
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:09,920
Speaker 1: to pay me the five minutes. Divide that by it.

1427
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:13,639
Speaker 1: You just give me thirty five cents, give me no money.

1428
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 1: I'm good to go. You got it. I want the

1429
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 1: full eight dollars please, you got it? Thank you so

1430
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 1: much for coming back. Where can people you know, check

1431
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 1: out your stuff and follow you on social media and

1432
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:32,559
Speaker 1: all of that. I'm on Twitter at it underscore your

1433
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 1: why oh you are underscore? Sam, don't follow me in

1434
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 1: Instagram or what. I'm just I'm taking a break from it,

1435
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 1: and I just it feels weird when people start following

1436
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,599
Speaker 1: me from podcasts, stuff or just like anything, and then

1437
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm overexposed. Yeah, that's part of why

1438
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm taking myself off. Now that's healthy. I have the

1439
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 1: exact opposite and unhealthy relationship with social media and that

1440
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 1: I need more people to follow me so that I

1441
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:05,639
Speaker 1: feel more valid as a human. So I'll just throw

1442
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:10,480
Speaker 1: out follow me at Caitlin Toronte on Twitter and Instagram.

1443
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 1: I'm ambivalent on the issue at this time, smart and

1444
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:17,400
Speaker 1: so I won't be commenting further. However, you know you can't.

1445
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:21,920
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1449
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Speaker 1: summer and Midsomar, So how do you like that? How

1450
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Speaker 1: do you like that? The theme of course being I

1451
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:47,639
Speaker 1: know what you did last midsmar Um. It's not it's

1452
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 1: it's no Coyote British, but I think that we were

1453
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:54,919
Speaker 1: onto something. But we did cover Coyote Ugly on the Matreon,

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Speaker 1: merch it's beyond the lookout for the forthcoming character short.

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Speaker 1: Just kidding. We will probably never make new merchants um anyway,

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Speaker 1: that's at public dot com slash the Bechdel Cast, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Thanks for coming back, Sammy, thanks for

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Speaker 1: coming back. Hey, thanks for having me. Happy Pride, Bye

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Speaker 1: bye