1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: On this episode of Newtsworld, I want to spend some 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: time talking about my longtime friend and colleague who passed 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: away this week at the age of ninety eight, Bob Dole. 4 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: Bob Dole was from Russell, Kansas, a point he made constantly. 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: One time, I was actually in Russell and I called 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: him from his birthplace to say that I was paying 7 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: obeisance to where he came from. Broke up laughing. He 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: loved it. He was a natural person of a small 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: town and the traditions of small towns where people got 10 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: to know each other pretty well and where your reputation 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: really mattered. He was extraordinarily hard working. He'd been an 12 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: athlete when he was young and might actually have gone 13 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: on to a career in professional sports, but volunteered for 14 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: the military after Pearl Harbor served in World War Two, 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: ended up being in the Army and a second lieutenant, 16 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: and altimately went to Italy, and in March of nineteen 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: forty five, as the war was winding down, he was 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: severely wounded in the battle in Italy. It was awarded 19 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: a purple Heart, and then in April he was again 20 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: wounded while trying to protect his troops from enemy fire. 21 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: He was awarded a second purple heart. He spent three 22 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: years recovering in hospitals, and that really understates it. His 23 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: right arm was paralyzed. He would carry a pen in 24 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: his right hand all of his life as a signal 25 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: that he could not shake hands with that arm. Two 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: of his fellow patients said, rehab Danie went away of 27 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: Hawaii and fell Heart of Michigan later served with him 28 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: in the US Senate. Dole recovered enough to go to 29 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: college and law school on the GI Bill, and in 30 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty one he was elected to the Kansas State Legislature. 31 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: By nineteen fifty two was also elected as Russell County Attorney, 32 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: where he served for eight years, and then in nineteen 33 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: sixty he ran for the US House, where he also 34 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: served for eight years. He voted for the nineteen sixty 35 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: four Civil Rights Act, he voted for the nineteen sixty 36 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: five Voting Rights Act, and he voted for the nineteen 37 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: sixty seven Age Discrimination Act. Bob came out of the 38 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: classic Republican model. Kansas was the state which had produced 39 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: alf Landon in nineteen thirty six against Franklin Delano. Roosevelt 40 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: was a very deeply Republican state, going back to the 41 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: Civil War. I had a real sense of the Union 42 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: and real sense of being anti slavery, and Doe had 43 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: grown up in that world. He also was shaped by 44 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: the fact that he had served under Dwight David Eisenhower. 45 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: Eisenhower as Commanding General of Allied forces in Europe, was 46 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: a towering figure, a man of great capability, hard work, 47 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: and honesty. And at the same time, he was a 48 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: man of Kansas and had grown up in Kansas and 49 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: personified sort of Kansas values, and so Dole and he 50 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: and I talked about often because I've been at Fort Riley, 51 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: Kansas as a child when my dad served there in 52 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: the Army, and I had a sense of Kansas. I 53 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: also loved Eisenhower and thought he was a remarkable American 54 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: who had done just an amazing number of things, and 55 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: both as the commanding General in Europe and then his 56 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: president United States, and Dole really was always i think, 57 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: trying to measure up to what he saw as duty, 58 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: honor country in the West Point tradition and the sense 59 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: of honesty and courage that Eisenhower personified. And as a 60 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: matter of fact, when I would work with Dole. What 61 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: was clear was he was very business like, he was 62 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: very focused. He was very funny. I couldn't help himself. 63 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: He had to be witty all day, every day. He 64 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: had a pattern of just extraordinarily hard work. I told 65 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: him one time that I was very concerned. He had 66 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: invited me over as speaker to dinner in the major 67 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: party leader's office, and I was there with Joe Gaylord, 68 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: who had been my co designer of the Contract with 69 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: America campaign, and he had Scott Reid, who was running 70 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 1: his presidential campaign, and we were sitting and talking about 71 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: the whole process of running for president. I said, you know, 72 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: I'm concerned that you pace yourself because this is going 73 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: to be a long marathon. And Dole, who had run 74 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: for presidents several times and knew far more about it 75 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: than I did, said, well, you know what I really 76 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: like to do to relax is go to fundraisers. And 77 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: I kind of stared at him. In this week he said, now, 78 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: I said, you know, you get to stand around and 79 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: talk with people, and there are all people who like 80 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: you because they came to your fundraiser. And he literally 81 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: meant it. I mean his idea of a relaxing time 82 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: was to go to a fundraiser and chat with people. 83 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: He also learned the new members of the House. When 84 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: he exercised in the morning and got on a treadmill, 85 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: he would turn on c Span so that he could 86 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: watch the House and learn the new members. This was 87 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: a guy who was immersed in the process of serving 88 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: the country and of being a member of the Congress. 89 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: I think that from that perspective, he was interested in everybody. 90 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: He was very partisan. This is one of those myths 91 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: that the news media tries to sidestep. It wasn't that 92 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: Doll was not a partisan. He was very partisan. He 93 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: was a Republican National Committee chairman, he was the Senate 94 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: Majority leader. But he was also just very much oriented 95 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: towards people. So he could go out and bash George 96 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: McGovern running for president as a radical, and turn around 97 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: and have a drink with George McGovern and chat and 98 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: be funny and make jokes. And it was that kind 99 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: of ability to reach across at a personal level which 100 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: enabled people to decide they liked him, even if in 101 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: fact he was not necessarily on their side. And he 102 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 1: also occognized by the way that in the Republican Party 103 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: of that era. If you weren't prepared to work with Democrats, 104 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: you weren't going to get anything done, because we were 105 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: pretty consistently in the minority. And Dole cultivated the ability 106 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: to work with people with mc governor cours of a 107 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: Midwesterner that had a natural interest in the federal food 108 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: staff program, which from their perspective was also a more 109 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: money for farmers program. And so they could both please 110 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: the Liberals in big cities and they could please their 111 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: constituents back home. And he always said his greatest single 112 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: achievement was working with the Democrat Daniel Patrick moynihan of 113 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: New York and developing the Social Security Reform of nineteen 114 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: eighty three, which Reagan signed into law and would save 115 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: self security from bankruptcy now for some forty years. So 116 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: there's a pattern to Dole that was consistently focused on 117 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: finding common sense, practical solutions, not very ideological, but very 118 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: conservative in a broad sense, and very much interested in 119 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: the Republican Party. Dole ran for presidents several times. While 120 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: he was from a small town, he had big ambitions, 121 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: national ambitions. He served as chairman of the Republican National 122 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: Committee from seventy one to seventy three, picked by Richard Nixon. 123 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: He survived Watergate. Jerry Ford asked him to be his 124 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,679 Speaker 1: running mate, which I always thought was kind of strength. 125 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: Ford was from Michigan, Dole was from Kansas. That was 126 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: kind of an overly Midwestern ticket, but it made Dole 127 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: a nationwide figure. It was typical of Dolo, and Ford 128 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: added him. He said, you know, I'm really not sure 129 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: what I can add to the ticket, but I'll do 130 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: the best I can. Well, he was the attacker. I 131 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: remember vividly watching Dole out on the stump, just pounding 132 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: away at the Democrats. And he was a pretty good attacker, 133 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: but probably frankly too narrowly an attacker. He came back 134 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: and ran for president again in nineteen eighty eight and 135 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: got beat by George H. W. Bush, who'd been Vice 136 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: president and stood at Reagan's side for eight years. And 137 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: so he bounced back again, and then it ran in 138 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: ninety six and got to be the Republican nominee and 139 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: lost to Bill Clinton. Now I got to work with 140 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: Doe pretty closely when I was Speaker, and I would 141 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: say flatly that without Bob's help, we would not have 142 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: gotten the things done in the contract with America. The 143 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: contract with America was signed by House members, it was 144 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: not signed by the Senate. The Senate's a very different 145 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: institution and in many ways a harder institution than the House, 146 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: designed to be harder. Each individual senator has much more 147 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: power than individual House members, and Dole, I think, really 148 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: had a remarkable ability it personally, such close ties to 149 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: so many members that he was able to get things done. 150 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: Although on occasion we had a couple of projects we 151 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: really wanted to get through, and he would have me 152 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: come over and he and I would sit and talk 153 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: with the senator. On one occasion, we talked with a 154 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: senator for three hours and couldn't budge it. We couldn't 155 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: get him to go along, so we lost that route. 156 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: But Doll was very, very disciplined, and he was very patient. 157 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: He ultimately came to the same conclusion I had, which 158 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: is that Bill Clinton just couldn't help himself. He had 159 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: a deep requirement to tell falsehoods, and you had to 160 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: be very careful working with him because he'd promised you 161 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 1: one thing in the morning, break his word by lunch, 162 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: and then promise you something else at two in the afternoon. 163 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: And break his word by dinner and doll who came, 164 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: as I said earlier, from Russell. He ultimately he was 165 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: very patient. He had this great respect that he had 166 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: developed with eyes an hour to an enormous respect for 167 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: the office of the presidency. And finally Clinton got to 168 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: him and he turned to me. One day we were 169 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: in the elevator on the way up to the Senate 170 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: Press Gallery to do a press conference. He turned to 171 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: me and it's very flat Kansas voice, said, he's just 172 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: a liar. And the way he said it was the 173 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: way at a rotary club in a place like Russell, 174 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: you basically tell people, don't learn that guy in your car. 175 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: I would say that Dole after he ran for president, 176 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: and he was going to always have a hard time. 177 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the truth is Bill Clinton was a great 178 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: natural politician. And the fact is the reality was that well, 179 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: he ran a good race, he in the end was 180 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: not able to break through and he lost. But he 181 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: then stayed busy, he stayed active, and the fact is 182 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: that he retained his sense of humor. At one point 183 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: after he lost, he was awarded the Presidential Medal of 184 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: Freedom for his military service. In his political career and 185 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: when Clinton awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom, Dole 186 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: stepped the elector and said, I je sorry, wrong speech, 187 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: And it was just typical of his sense of humor 188 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: and the way he did it reminded me, by the 189 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: way of a story about Clinton. The first year that 190 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: I had become Speaker, Clinton came to give the State 191 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: of the Union address and he handed me this envelope 192 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: that said Speaker New English, which was different than the 193 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: speech envelope in which normally the president turns over a 194 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: copy of his State of the Union speech. And I 195 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: opened it and had said to Speaker knew Gingrich from 196 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: President William Jefferson Clinton, dear Knute, you are right, I 197 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: am resigning. That broke up, laughing. Showed it to al Gore, 198 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: and Clinton then took it back and said, I'm sorry, 199 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: I gave you the wrong letter. Then he gave me 200 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: the speech he gave. And remember this was the period 201 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: when he was saying that the era of big government 202 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: was over because he wanted to get reelected. Dole and 203 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: his retirement years spent a lot of time at the 204 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: World War Two Memorial, spent a lot of time working 205 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: on veterans issues, and also became I think, deeply committed 206 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: to helping veterans World War Two come to Washington and 207 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: visit the memorial and have a sense of being part 208 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: of history. It also was an interesting comment that in 209 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, lawmakers passed a resolution which granted Dole an 210 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: honorary promotion from the grade of captain to colonel in 211 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: the US Army, something which I think he really personally 212 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: appreciated a great deal. Dole was probably the hardest working 213 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: member I ever worked with. We campaign together when he 214 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: was running for president, and he would go to an 215 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: event and we would ride out to the airplane. He 216 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: would get on the plane, take a twenty or thirty 217 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: minute nap, bounce back up, and just had almost an 218 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: inexhaustible level of an energy. Part I think because he 219 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: was excited, He liked people, he liked the competition. He 220 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: thought he had an important message, and he was prepared 221 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: to go out and work at it. It was almost 222 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: like the old fashioned concept of farming, when you farmed 223 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: from cana can't when you can see, you go farming, 224 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: and when you can't see any more, you quit farming. Well, 225 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: that was kind of Doll's attitude. Of course, he lived 226 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: at the age of the electric lights, so there's no 227 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: can't and he would work endless hours. As he got older, 228 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: he would go to Florida and get enough son because 229 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: he realized he looked younger and he looked healthier when 230 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: he had a good tan, And so he was constantly 231 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: thinking about all of these different kind of advantages, but 232 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 1: he was doing it in a very relaxed, kind of 233 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: happy way. He had an instinct for being able to 234 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: deal with people gain energy from the process, not lose energy. 235 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: And I remember when we were trying to sort out 236 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: a balanced budget. It was an enormously complicated process, and 237 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: the differences between the House and Senate were very obvious, 238 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: not just differences of policy, but differences of style and 239 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: approach and how things got done. And Dole just would 240 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: dive in outside the Majority leader's office. There was a 241 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: balcony that faced towards the sun, and he would go 242 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: out there in the afternoon and sit for a while 243 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: and called at the beach and you'd show up and 244 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: he say, come on, let's go out to the beach together. 245 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: The first time he said, I a little bit startled, 246 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: but he had this sense that that balcony of his 247 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: was the beach. Now he also had a place in 248 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: Florida where ahead of beach, which is a different story. 249 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: But he just had this balanced sense that you could 250 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: get a lot done if you listen to people, you 251 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: could get a lot done, if you diffused anger by humor, 252 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: and you could get a lot done if you stayed 253 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: focused on the things you were trying to accomplish. It 254 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: made him, i think, a remarkably effective senator. It did 255 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: not make him as effective as a national candidate because 256 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: they have different requirements. And I think it's one of 257 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: the things people in Washington tend to forget that the 258 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: specific requirements of being a good senator and being really 259 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: effective in the Capitol aren't the same. It's something Howard 260 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: Baker discovered in nineteen eighty when he ran for president. 261 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: Baker was probably as good a leader as the Senate 262 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: had seen, but it didn't translate when he went out 263 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: to places like Maine or Idaho or California. And while 264 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: Baker was really big in Washington, he wasn't nearly as 265 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: big when he was outside Washington. Well, Dole had become 266 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: pretty big, I mean, having been the Republican National Committee 267 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: chairman at a very early point in his career, having 268 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: him in a vice presidential nominee. He had a much 269 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: better sense of the larger country than most Senate leaders have, 270 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: and so he was constantly trying to balance it. He 271 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: also had a really powerful sense of coming from Kansas. 272 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: When Kanson showed up at Dole's office, they were going 273 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: to get Dole himself. They weren't going to get some staffer, 274 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: and Dole would listen to him talk to them reminisce 275 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: about people they knew together. If you're centered from a 276 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: really big state Michigan, New York, California, Florida, you can't 277 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: possibly know everybody. But if you've been around in politics 278 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: a long time, as dolehead, and you have represented Kansas, 279 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: you could know a very high percentage of the kind 280 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: of people who came to Washington. And so Dole really 281 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: had a sense of camaraderie, telling stories, checking about how's 282 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: at Millie doing and your cousin Tim as he gotten 283 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: out of college yet well, that made Dole just rock 284 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: solid back home, so people in Kansas were always going 285 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: to support him. He also had a pragmatic streak to him. 286 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: But I think one of the things that surprised me. 287 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: After he got out of office, this guy who had 288 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: always been a totally straight politician, interested in government and 289 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: interested in the electoral process. Now that he was free, 290 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: he applied the same kind of pragmatic approach to making money. 291 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: So when Visa came to see him and offered him 292 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: a fairly substantial amount of money, he said, sure, why not. 293 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: And then a few months later, Viagara came to see 294 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: him with even more money, and he said, sure, why not. 295 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: And it wasn't the only embarrassed about it. He was 296 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: quite happy to say, look, this is my age, this 297 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: is my circumstance. And by the way, right out a 298 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: really big check. And as a result, he kind of 299 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: launched himself out of the Senate with a pretty good 300 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: revenue stream. He then went to a law firm very 301 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: late in his career, when he's already in his nineties. 302 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: I called him one day and he said, this is 303 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: really helpful. He said, if my clients think I'm talking 304 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: with you, they'll figure that I know all sorts of 305 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: insider stuff. Now, you know. The truth is he knew 306 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: vastly more about the Senate than I did. He had 307 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: many friends in the Senate. If he wanted to get 308 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: insider stuff, but it was just kind of his way 309 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: of both pulling my leg, but also you could hear 310 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: his brain working and the fact that he was going 311 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: to say to people for the next three weeks. You know, 312 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: Newton and I were talking the other day, and that 313 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: just reminded them that even though he was in his nineties, 314 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: he was still wired in. He was still part of 315 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: the game. He was still somebody whose advice mattered and 316 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: had a very good career working for a major firm 317 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: in Washington. He also would go down and sit by 318 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: the World War Two Memorial just next to the Washington Monument. 319 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: And one of our folks who worked with us, who 320 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: herself was from southern Illinois in a small town. She 321 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: ran into him one day and he said, come sit 322 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: and talk to me. So she sat on this bench, 323 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: talked to Bob Dole for about thirty minutes, fell in 324 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: love with him, And every couple of weeks she would 325 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: wander by and he'd be down there talking to veterans 326 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: and enjoying himself, reliving his younger days, and she would 327 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: just sat and chat with him, and she just absolutely 328 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: adored him. Although there was probably a sixty five year 329 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: difference in their aide. Somehow they connected as Midwesterners from 330 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: small towns, and both of them found great joy in 331 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: the relationship. Collista and I would go to Bob's birthday parties. 332 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: He had a very large apartment that actually two apartments 333 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: combined at the Watergate, and he and Elizabeth would host 334 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: these birthday parties that would run for hours. Bob would 335 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: sit on a couch and hold court. People would literally 336 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: line up. You'd have a line of ten or fifteen 337 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: people waiting to come and sit down. One by one, 338 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: you'd go by and you'd sit there, and they'd asked 339 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: Klista what she was up to and what she was 340 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: going to be doing, and how are things at the Vatican. 341 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: Then I'd sit down with him in occasionally I'd bring 342 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: him my latest book made out to here and Elizabeth 343 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: and you could tell from the number of people. I mean, 344 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: I think they probably had one hundred and fifty people 345 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: at a typical Bob Dold birthday party. And they were 346 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: elected officials, lobbyists, staffers, folks from back home, just a 347 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: collection of people love Bob Dole and who wanted to 348 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: celebrate his birthday once again. He was an American original. 349 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: He was a patriot. He was a man who suffered 350 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: greatly for his country. He spent several years. For example, 351 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: he was in a body cast for a long stretch. 352 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: It was a period where it looked like he might 353 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: be a quadriplegic. He gradually recovered, but he never recovered 354 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: the use of one arm, and all of his life 355 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: somebody had to help him put his shirt on because 356 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: he literally couldn't do it by himself. It was a 357 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: remarkable challenge, and he gave him great concern and great 358 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: affection for wounded veterans and ultimately for people with disabilities. 359 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he knew it personally, he'd lived it. He 360 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: was living it every single day. It didn't stop him, 361 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: it didn't slow him down, it didn't make him less ambitious. 362 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,719 Speaker 1: He just methodically went out and did his job and 363 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: did it extraordinarily well. And I think he is the 364 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: kind of American who has made this country a remarkable country. 365 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: And I think that he will be a standard for 366 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: people to look at for many many years to come. 367 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: We will all miss him, will miss his humor, will 368 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: miss his humanity, will miss his professionalism, and will miss 369 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: his commitment to America, but he was an American original, 370 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: and it was a great honor to me for having 371 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: known him both as a professional colleague and as a 372 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: personal friend. Of all the tributes I've seen to Bob Dole, 373 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: the one which struck me the most powerfully was by 374 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: Craig Shirley, who was a great writer, the definitive biographer 375 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: of Ronald Reagan, has written a remarkable series of books 376 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: about World War Two, and a biography of George Washington's mother, 377 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: the first one I know of that's been done. So. 378 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: Craig wrote essay for National Review on December fifth called 379 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: Bob Dole the first and the best compassionate Conservative. I 380 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: liked it so much that I asked Craig if I 381 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: could have permission to read it into the end of 382 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,239 Speaker 1: our podcast today, just because I wanted to share with 383 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: you Craig's language and his beautiful use of words, and 384 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: the portrait he gives you a Bob Dole, which is, 385 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: I think, far and away the best I've seen. So 386 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: I hope you'll find this useful, and I certainly think 387 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: that it's a wonderful tribute. Everything you're going to hear 388 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: from here on out is Craig Shirley's words spoken by 389 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: Nut Gingrich with admiration for both Bob Dole and Craig Shirley. 390 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety six, then Republican presidential nominee Bob Dole 391 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: adopted a slogan for about one week that succinctly summed 392 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: up one of America's great statesman, A better man for 393 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: a better American. He was the first and the best 394 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: of the compassionate Conservatives, before pundits and posters drove the 395 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: phrase into oblivion. A compassionate conservative was a statesman who 396 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: never let his zeal or passion for the proliferation of 397 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: freedom and liberty undermine a foundation of kindness, humility, and empathy. 398 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: Dole could negotiate and compromise with the best and most 399 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: intransigent of them, yet would never disavow his principles for 400 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: political gain. He was the hero of heroes, nearly losing 401 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: his life in World War Two. A poet could write 402 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: a good piece about Dole's life of hardship and triumph. 403 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: Reviewing his life brings tears of pride to anyone with 404 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: a patriotic heart. Dole came from humble roots in Russell, Kansas, 405 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: He was born on July twenty second, nineteen twenty three. 406 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: That same year, Oyle was discovered west of town, igniting 407 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: a small oil boom. His childhood home, or as he 408 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: affectionately and warmly referred to it, my little home, would 409 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: be his official residence for most of his life. Other 410 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: men couldn't wait to shake off the dirt of their 411 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: small home towns, but Bob Dole was not other men. 412 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: He adored Russell, Kansas. Even after leaving. He made regular 413 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: pilgrimages home. When he was in the mood for a 414 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 1: great thick stake. Locals could find him at Merity's restaurant 415 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: and lounge, though he conceded there are good stakes at 416 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: the hay Adams too. To day. A walk down the 417 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: streets of this Midwestern town is both enjoyable and instructive 418 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: of Middle America. It is clean, simple, and generally well run. 419 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: It is located in a very level part of Kansas. 420 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: There is a small lake near by, good for fishing 421 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: and hunting waterfowl. There is a sustainable small down town, 422 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: but some of the stores are boarded up. There are 423 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: plenty of churches and live stock, and oceans of wheat 424 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: off in the distance. Are grain, combine and silos. Something 425 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: about the Midwest has an almost magical way of sometimes 426 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: making great statesmen. Ronald Reagan and Bob Doe always liked 427 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: each other. Perhaps it was because they both came from 428 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: small towns in the Midwest. Perhaps it was because they 429 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: both grew up poor. Perhaps it was because they both 430 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: saw the world in approximately the same way. Perhaps it 431 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: was because Reagan once campaigned for Dole in Kansas. Perhaps 432 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: it was because they shared a mutual disdain for the 433 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: wealthy moderate bushes. Perhaps it was because the likable and 434 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: talented Mary Will wrote for both men as a speech writer. 435 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: Perhaps because Reagan was always a sucker for war heroes. 436 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: Whatever reason, they always got along. Bob Dole's childhood could 437 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: easily be mistaken for a description of a Norman Rockwell painting. 438 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: His mother was gregarious and his father was reserved. Quote. 439 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: She could cook ham and eggs for five or fifty 440 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: and never drop an egg when dol waul get into 441 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: trouble as a child. Quote, she would do the spanking 442 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: quite a few for goofing around as a kid. Close quote. 443 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: Despite the spankings, they were extremely close through life. Even 444 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: when Bob Doe was in Congress. They talked almost every 445 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: week end. He remarked that in nineteen eighty three, during 446 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: the tense negotiations over Social Security, his biggest lobbyist for 447 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: saving Social Security was his mother, who was lobbying from 448 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: her home. She would simply say to him, do the 449 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: right thing. That year, he and Democratic Senator Pat moynihan 450 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: would reach a compromise to save the unbattered program. Tadoe 451 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: saving Social Security was his happiest single memory in public life. 452 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: Bob Doe was a star athlete in high school, playing 453 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: on the Russell football team and running the eight hundred 454 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: in track. His nights and week ends were spent behind 455 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: the counter at Dawson drug Store. He graduated high school 456 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty one and was recruited to play basketball 457 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: at the University of Kansas. He may have made a 458 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: fine professional athlete, but like many young men, World War 459 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: Two would dramatically alter his life. Quote. When the Japanese 460 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: bomb Pearl Harbor, we knew it was our destiny to 461 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: answer our nation's call, doll said. He joined the United 462 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: States Armies Enlisted Reserve Corps not long after the attack, 463 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 1: earning a commission as a second Lieutenant. He was eventually 464 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: assigned to the tenth Mountain Division, or, as it was 465 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: relayed to him, the Ski Division. The Light Infantry Union 466 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: was designed explicitly to fight in mountainous and freezing conditions. 467 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: This was concerning the Dole, as the flat plains cans unnoticed. 468 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: I had never skied before. Regardless, he undertook the assignment 469 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: with determination and good humor. Poetically, he once said, quote 470 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: in World War Two, we were all brothers on the battlefield, 471 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: he recalled gis weeping in their foxholes the day F. D. R. Died. 472 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: Going to war was not his plan. It wasn't any 473 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: one's but off to war. He went because he loved 474 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: his country and wanted to defend it. Operation Grape Shot, 475 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: the nineteen forty five Allied Spring Offensive in Italy, was 476 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: to be the final push permanently eliminating the German resistance 477 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: in Italy. Lieutenant Dole and his tenth Mountain Division were 478 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: to be a key force fighting uphill against deeply entrenched Germans. 479 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: On April fourteenth, nineteen forty two, Lieutenant Dole was leading 480 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: a company of the eighty fifth Infantry Regiment in a 481 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: battle to take Hill nine thirteen when they found themselves 482 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: engaged by heavy machine gun fire. In an unbelievable display 483 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: of courage, Dole charged and eliminated a machine gun nest 484 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: with a well thrown grenade. After falling back into his foxhole, 485 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: he saw his radio man, Corporal Ed Simms, collapse. He 486 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: braved enemy fire again to pull the young man into 487 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: his foxhole, but as he rose from the foxhole again, 488 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: a Nazi shell exploded near him. He later recalled seeing 489 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: his parents and his little home flash before his eyes. 490 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: When he came to, he couldn't move his arms or 491 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: his legs. He thought his arm was shot off, and 492 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: indeed it nearly was only attached by a few ligaments. 493 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: The pain almost made him pass out. Somehow, he was 494 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,479 Speaker 1: carried off the battlefield. His men thought he wouldn't survive 495 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: the day. They gave him a large dose of morphine 496 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: and marked his forehead with a large em in his 497 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: own blood. It was nine hours before he was finally 498 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: evacuated to a field hospital. Dole arrived at the first 499 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: of many hospitals as a quadriplegic, where he was enclosed 500 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: in a full body cast for months. He was shipped 501 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: back to a Kansas military hospital, one that most doctors 502 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: speculated he would never leave. A chaplain was eventually called 503 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: to administer last rites. He was barely alive. He itched, 504 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: he felt dirty, he smelled. He fought off infections that 505 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: shot his temperature up to a hundred and sixty degrees 506 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: and beyond. His mother wept and wept again when she 507 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: finally saw him, though she promised she wouldn't. As Shakespeare said, 508 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: and son at eighteen, long as men can breathe, their 509 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: eyes can see, so long lives this, and this gives 510 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: life to thee. But that did not stop fello Ge 511 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: eyes from sometimes budding the cigarettes out in his body 512 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: cast as he lay helpless. He once was a football star, 513 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: a standout basketball player, an outstanding track and field competitor, 514 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: But that was over now forever his body was shot. 515 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: His only joy with cigarettes, but he still had his mind. 516 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,959 Speaker 1: The little town of Russell took up a collection to 517 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,719 Speaker 1: send Bob Dole to Chicago for further treatment. His parents 518 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: could not afford the cost. After months of being encased 519 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: in a full body cast, he emerged an emaciated and 520 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: still partially paralyzed man, weighing a little over one hundred 521 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: and twenty five pounds. While most doctors were still writing 522 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: him off, a specialist orthopedist in Chicago named Hampar Kellikan 523 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: was making a name for himself by helping veterans make 524 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: miraculous recoveries. Though doctor Kullikian had a grim view of 525 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: Dole's prospects, he gave the young lieutenant with no other 526 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: doctor head hope. After seven surgeries, Dole was begining to improve. 527 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: While in recovery, he was awarded two purple hearts, the 528 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: bronze Star with v device, and a meritorious promotion to captain. 529 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: He would later self deprecatingly refer to this as his 530 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: bed pan promotion, but he was still deeply honored. He 531 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: worked and worked in a tireless fashion to get back 532 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: into a semblance of shape, in spite of his two 533 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: arms dangling helplessly at his sides, especially his right. Eventually 534 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: he regained some movement his left arm, never his right. 535 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: His affliction disguise with a pen or a piece of 536 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: paper in it, and he set about getting serious about learning. 537 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: He got night sweats thinking about selling pencils and a cup. 538 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: A poor beggar of a man. What people don't realize 539 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: is how determined he was to regain the use of 540 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: some of his body. He worked with weights for hours alone. 541 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: He crept along the streets of Russell alone, hour after hour. 542 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: But he also determined to train his mind in academics. 543 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: First he had to finish his undergraduate work at Washburn 544 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: University with honors. Then he earned his law degree again 545 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: with honors at Washburn in nineteen fifty two. Along the way, 546 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: he married his occupational therapist. The marriage revitalized him. He 547 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: became a new man despite the infirmities. In nineteen fifty four, 548 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: he welcomed his first knownly child, Robin Dole, to the world. 549 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: Though his marriage would end in nineteen seventy two, he 550 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: maintained a strong relationship with his daughter. While he had 551 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: many role models through his life, Bob Dole had one hero, 552 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: Dwight D. Eisenhower, the fellow Kanzen, former President and Supreme 553 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: Allied Commander of Allied Forces, was one of the most 554 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: essential figures in holding together the fragile alliance between Allies 555 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: in World War Two. Dole recalled one of his most 556 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: memorably excited moments was the day Eyes now announced he 557 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: was a Republican. Perhaps it was this or simply a 558 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: desire to continue serving his country, Bob Dole decided his 559 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: future was in public service. Dole first ran in nineteen 560 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: fifty and served in local politics for a decade before 561 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: entering the national stage. In nineteen sixty, he won his 562 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: first national race and was elected to the US House 563 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: of Representatives from Kansas's sixth congressional district. He would win 564 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: two more elections, representing Kansas's first He was well regarded 565 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: by his peers and voted for the Voting Rights Act 566 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty five as well as the Civil Rights 567 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: Acts of nineteen sixty four. In nineteen sixty eight, for 568 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: Bob Dole, a rising star in the Republican Party, a 569 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: Senate run was inevitable after Senator Frank Carlson announced his retirement. 570 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: Dole defeated former Kansas Governor William Avery by almost seventy percent. 571 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: He then overwhelmingly defeated Democratic candidate William Robinson and was 572 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: sworn into the U. S. Senate. However, before he could 573 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: enact his agenda, there was something far more important he 574 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: needed to attend to. Former President Eisnaw's health was in 575 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: of veer decline. The seventy eight year old had suffered 576 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: from heart complications while in office, but seemed to be 577 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: getting stronger post presidency. However, in nineteen sixty nine, he 578 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: was admitted to Walter Reed Hospital. Senator Dooe visited him often. 579 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: Quote if he needed anything, I would be there. Dole recalled, quote, 580 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: he had all kinds of help. He probably didn't need me, 581 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: but I needed him close. Quote. The Statesman, Supreme Allied Commander, 582 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: former President and fellow Kanzen died on March twenty eighth, 583 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine. Dole continued to impress his peers and 584 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: fellow politicians. He was selected to serve as Republican National 585 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: Committee Chairman from nineteen seventy one to nineteen seventy three. 586 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: Throughout his term, he earned a reputation for working with 587 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: Democrats and Republicans to find solutions or other sole divides. 588 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy two, he married the woman who would 589 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: be the defining love of his life. Elizabeth Hanford of 590 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: the Hanfords of North Carolina. Was the deputy Assistant to 591 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: President Nixon for sumer affairs before becoming Commissioner of the 592 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: Federal Trade Commission from nineteen seventy three to nineteen seventy nine. 593 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: She was a very successful politician in her own right, 594 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: serving in the Ford administration and as a cabinet secretary 595 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 1: in the Reagan and Bush administrations. It was Elizabeth who 596 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: truly submited Dole's faith quote. I paid attention to what 597 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: Elizabeth already knew. She knows every verse of the Bible, 598 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: Dole said. Dole prayed every single day and did his 599 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: best to maintain his strong relationship with God. Quote, you 600 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: thank God for the good and bad in life, as 601 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: he put it. Dole once testified as a character witness 602 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: for Elizabeth, telling the Senate Committee quote, I regret that 603 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: I have but one wife to give from my country. 604 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: It brought the Congress down in gales of laughter. He 605 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: always had a great sense of humor, so did some 606 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: of his staff, who lovingly referred to him as the Bobster. 607 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: Then came the years of high honors and low failures. 608 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: He won many awards, including the Presidential Medal of Freedom. 609 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: At the White House ceremony, he star in solemnly, I 610 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: Robert Dole, do solemnly swear the opening of the Presidential 611 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: Oath of Office. Again, it brought down the House, so 612 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: did his joke about dreaming he'd get something at the 613 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: White House, but erronestly thought it would be the key 614 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: to the front door. Laughter. He appeared on Saturday Night Live, 615 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: poking fun at himself more laughter. He made commercials. He 616 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: ran and lost with Gerald Ford in seventy six. He 617 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: won his party's nomination in ninety six, and despite facing 618 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: Ross Perot as well, did better against incumbent Bill Clinton 619 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: than could have been expected, and his campaigning did save 620 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: GOP control of the Congress while denying Clinton a landslide. Later, 621 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 1: he delivered a touching eulogy for former President Richard Nixon. 622 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: People Whip. He had a world of friends and a 623 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: small coterie of enemies. He once told me two people 624 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: drove him nuts, people who talked too much about their 625 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: military service, and draft dodgers. He very much liked George McGovern, 626 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: a World War Two vette, and despite McGovern's being a liberal, 627 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: he and Dules sometimes worked on legislation together, including a 628 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: program to feed the hungry children of the world. He 629 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: donated to many causes and charities. Every year, Speaker of 630 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: the House Nancy Pelosi sent orchids on his birthday. He 631 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: was the inspiration for the long Missing World War Two 632 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: Memorial in Washington, and the memorial to Eisenhower also on them, 633 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: all in Washington. His combat wounds made him very sympathetic 634 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 1: to the plight of others in need, both physically and otherwise, 635 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: and he acted upon it as a you, a senator, 636 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: and as a private citizen. He may be the most 637 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: popular man never elected president. Republicans loved him, Independence loved him. 638 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: Democrats liked him. He's gone now, This American hero, he 639 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: was suey genera Latin for one of a kind. He 640 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: who was strong and he was kind. He was smart, 641 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: and he was humble. He was brave, and he was reverend. 642 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: He was a boy scout and he was irreverend. He 643 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: was charitable, and he was for economic sensible. He was 644 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: charitable and he was for economic sensibleness. His kind won't 645 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: be found anymore. When asked about his legacy, he said 646 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: only quote, I don't know what I was I when 647 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,479 Speaker 1: I ever tried to be a nice guy, I still 648 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: try to be a nice guy. Bob Doe was far 649 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: more than nice guy. He was an American, an iconic American, 650 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: an American with country goodness and goodwill before all, when 651 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: I asked what statesman. He simply said, I hope I 652 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: earned it. Farewell, Bobster, Rest in peace, Bob Dole. That 653 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: was Craig Shirley's take, and I thought it was so good, 654 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: so well written, and so much captured doele I simply 655 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: had to share it with you. Thank you for listening. 656 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: You can find out more about how to honor Bob 657 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: Doe's legacy on our show page at newtsworld dot com. 658 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: Newtsworld is produced by Gingwish Sweet sixty and iHeartMedia. Our 659 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: executive producer is Debbie Myers, our producer is Garnsey Sloan, 660 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: and our researcher is Rachel Peterson. The art work for 661 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: the show was created by Steve Penley. Special thanks the 662 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: team at Gingwish three sixty. If you've been enjoying Newtsworld, 663 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: I hope you'll go to Apple Podcast and both rate 664 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: us with five stars and give us a review so 665 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: others can learn what it's all about. Right now, listeners 666 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: of Newtsworld can sign up for my three free weekly 667 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: columns at Gingwish Sweet sixty dot com slash newsletter. I'm 668 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 1: newt Gangwish. This is news World