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Speaker 1: Welcome to Africa Dispatch flop three. And first, before we

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Speaker 1: even introduce who we're talking right now, we got to

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Speaker 1: address the elephant in the room, which is this.

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Speaker 2: Tell my mound.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is for you people watching not listening. This

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Speaker 1: is one of the most This is like a major

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Speaker 1: feature of the landscape. Is this is a termite hill.

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Speaker 1: They're everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they go a little bit of an iceberg

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Speaker 2: kind of thing, goang on. What you see above ground

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Speaker 2: is much less than what's underground, So that's maybe a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this thing is it's a mound, looks like

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Speaker 1: a mount of dirt probably nine maybe nine feet high,

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Speaker 1: all over out here. And there's even a fancy term

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Speaker 1: for this. Because we're in a big we're near a

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Speaker 1: big lake shore and so we're in a big like

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Speaker 1: big open grass flat. It's kind of reminiscent of it

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Speaker 1: would be reminiscent of like oak savannah in the US

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Speaker 1: or in Florida. You get that grass lane with the

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to think of seth the Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: grassland with the oak hammocks. But these hammocks are often

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Speaker 1: based around these giant termite mounds, which have a name.

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Speaker 1: It's a Morgan, the little territory made by the turmite mound, Turmitalia.

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Speaker 3: And then all these trees have what's called termitalia association,

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Speaker 3: so they like the.

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Speaker 2: Kind a bit of a symbolt relationship that's.

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Speaker 3: Created by the kind of moistured humidity that's going on

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Speaker 3: inside that termite mountain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So if you were here scanning around, it's all grass.

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Speaker 1: If it's standing up, it's like six foot grass with

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Speaker 1: all these little clusters of trees here and there, and

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Speaker 1: they're built around these giant termite mountains. With dad, said

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Speaker 1: George Dodds, George Dodds, who we're going to talk to

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Speaker 1: him today because he is doing his second year apprenticeship

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Speaker 1: to become a professional hunter. Right, and you are what's

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Speaker 1: known as you have to explain as the people you're

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Speaker 1: a white Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: I'm a white Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, explain explain that everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fifth generation Kenyon. My great grandfather came to Kenya

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Speaker 2: in the early nineteen hundreds and yeah, we've we've born

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Speaker 2: and bred every generations. Yeah, out of small small farming

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Speaker 2: area in Kenya called like Keipia, yeah, which is sort

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Speaker 2: of slightly north of central central Kenya.

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Speaker 1: And you guys farm and ranch there, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I correct, terminalogy would be a ranch. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: an indigenous cattlegory called the barn cattle and it's just

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Speaker 2: a just a bit of a ranch and a small

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Speaker 2: bit of crop farming. But yeah, full of full of game. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: much like much like what we got going on here,

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Speaker 2: just wilderness really top people.

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Speaker 1: White. Elephants hate drones.

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Speaker 2: Sound like bees. Elephants hate bees.

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Speaker 1: I know elephants hated bees.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of a lot of small scale farmers

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Speaker 2: actually put put beehives up around their crops because their

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Speaker 2: elephants just hate that noise and it really helps them

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Speaker 2: keep them away from their crops. Yeah, it's incredible.

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Speaker 1: So when you guys, what is the number one things

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Speaker 1: that do crop damage in Kenya? The number one like

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Speaker 2: Hassles, Elephant would probably have the biggest impact just because

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Speaker 2: of shifts eyes. So you know, they they get into

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Speaker 2: a small small piece of land, they do a huge

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Speaker 2: amount of damage. They can they can you know, a

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Speaker 2: probably do the biggest damage. And then we've got the

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Speaker 2: bird species, the colia, which also do a massive amount

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Speaker 2: of damage, but sort of large large mammals would definitely

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Speaker 2: be would be elephant, and they're also so clever. They're

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Speaker 2: how to break electric fences. Yeah, they can think about

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Speaker 2: kills your cable. Lions mostly lions and leopard leopard. Leopard

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Speaker 2: will take out our calves, but lions take out our big,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't on your like on your ranch at any

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Speaker 1: given time, there could be African lions, elephants and leopards

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Speaker 1: could be like on in among your live style. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We we've usually got about four resident lions on the

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Speaker 2: and then a lot of leopard it's quite thick bush

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Speaker 1: You know, a peculiarity of Kenya, or maybe it's not

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Speaker 1: think that always has surprised me as I've tried learning

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Speaker 1: that Kenya years ago in the seventies, I believe banned honting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean just like banned hunting across the across the board.

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Speaker 1: What was that conversation? Like why did that occur?

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Speaker 2: And I can't speak much to why. You know, I

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Speaker 2: wasn't I wasn't around then, but yeah, they banned all

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Speaker 2: large game hunting. They kept bird hunting for a long time.

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Speaker 2: I think that was banned in the sort of mid

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Speaker 2: game dangerous game hunting, and I think seventy six, seventy seven,

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Speaker 1: Again, was it like when it happened? Was it a

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Speaker 1: regarded as a conservation move or does a cultural move?

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Speaker 2: I think a conservation move. I think there was a

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Speaker 2: so definitely a big conservation move.

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Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, so even though you grew so growing up

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Speaker 1: in Kenya, you've come to like you would go elsewhere

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Speaker 1: like I imagine would it feel You're probably out from the States,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, is it fairly easy and fluid to

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Speaker 2: It is, it's it's definitely we can. We can access areas.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Southern Africa is probably the most popular and

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Speaker 2: most accessible, but definitely Tanzania, Uganda, Central and Central Africa,

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Speaker 2: Cameroon's we can. You know, you can get to these places.

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Speaker 1: But you're prior to the band you were from, you

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Speaker 1: were you guys were a hunting family. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we my sort of great grandparents and great great

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Speaker 2: doing it, doing it for a long time and still shooting.

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Speaker 2: We do a lot of sort of sports shooting. A

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Speaker 2: so it's there's no hunting, but there's still a lot

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Speaker 2: of a lot of sports shooting, fish, a lot of fishing.

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Speaker 2: Great fishing some really interesting species as well.

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Speaker 1: Describe the fishing to me, like, what what kind of

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Speaker 2: Sort of recreational fishing. Probably some of the most popular

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Speaker 2: benal perch, which is a really big I mean they

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Speaker 1: Oh, I thought nile perch is a tilapia.

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Speaker 2: No, no, so noile perch eat lapia. That's that's a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they they're big, and they're they're a bit like

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Speaker 2: So it's really fun fishing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you you we we do.

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Speaker 2: We keep the little ones. I mean, they're they're they're

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Speaker 2: absolute beauty. Most guys fishing in a place called Lake Takana,

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Speaker 2: And it's what we would call a safari, not a

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Speaker 2: which makes it really special.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I want to refer real quick to the

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Speaker 1: to the very familiar uniform that people might see with

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Speaker 1: with people from Africa, the hunt. Yeah, you guys were

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I hate hunting in all sort of cruising around

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. But then the flip side is you get

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Speaker 2: More by flies. I kind of look at it that,

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Speaker 2: you know, you kind of just let them eat you

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Speaker 2: for two weeks and then your body gets used to it,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I'm kind of like a few of us,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, we all, we all get those.

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Speaker 2: I first week is always tough.

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Speaker 1: Like a tingly poison ivy kind of feel from too

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, after one of two weeks it goes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you run those cute little gators.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, run the gators. Keep the birds and everything out

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Speaker 2: of the socks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's keep your socks clean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, keep the socks clean. Nothing worse than it she socks. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then just some good quiet leather boots.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You want to like, I understand, you get your

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Speaker 1: ranch responsibilities, but you're doing an apprenticeship to become a

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Speaker 1: professional hunter, indeed, to work to hunt in Tanzani and

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Speaker 1: we would recall, you know, a hunting guide in Tanzania. Yeah. Uh,

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Speaker 1: does that mean you're gonna walk away from ranching?

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Speaker 2: No, I'll do it part time. You know, hunting is

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Speaker 2: very seasonal and also depends on how many trips you

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Speaker 2: can do, So I'll definitely sort of stay on the farm,

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Speaker 2: I get a trip, I'll come down and do the work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what draws you to do in the professional hunting?

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Speaker 2: I just I'm I grew up a bush kid on

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Speaker 2: the farm, you know, just being outdoors. Both my parents

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Speaker 2: were photographic guides as well. My mum was a botanist,

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Speaker 2: so yeah, she described some species of pint, Yeah, described

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Speaker 2: a few. She specialized in aloes, so you know, aloverra

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Speaker 2: couple of aloes. So my childhood was sort of spent

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Speaker 2: And this is this is as close as I can

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Speaker 2: So typically in western Tanzania where we are now, it'll

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Speaker 2: So we get guys coming in about twice a year

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Speaker 1: And then when you start, you'll you'll engage with clients. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, absolutely. I think the majority is is is

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Speaker 1: the Last the Last Flop edition, we're heading out back

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Speaker 1: on the trail of some buffalo and that night we

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